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American self-propelled guns XM1299 confirmed the characteristics of hitting targets at ranges of over 100 km

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In the United States, tests of the promising self-propelled artillery mount XM1299, equipped with the 155 mm XM907 gun, are ongoing. At the same time, almost at every test run, American-made self-propelled guns have new elements. Earlier it was about additional protective screens, as well as on the elements of the airborne radar system.


During the tests, which were conducted at one of the training grounds in Arizona, a firing range of more than a hundred kilometers was demonstrated. Thus, the evidence was confirmed that the promising self-propelled gun XM1299 is capable of hitting targets located at distances of 100 or even more km. This is achieved both with the help of the technologies realized when creating the XM907 gun, and with the use of long-range ammunition.

In this regard, the United States discusses the accuracy of firing at very long distances. At the same time, the military themselves make it clear that the self-propelled guns are not tasked with the indispensable "point" destruction of enemy targets and weapons. The promising self-propelled gun XM1299 is primarily preparing for the US Army as a means of inflicting maximum damage to the enemy, including damage to its protected facilities, using various types of ammunition.

Nevertheless, during the tests, they also use adjustable ammunition, which are capable of hitting a target with minimal deviation at very large (by the standards of artillery) distances.

In turn, the question arises about the possibility of using tactical nuclear warheads. The possibility of using such ammunition for the XM907 gun is quite possible. Although there is no official data on this subject yet.

The US Army expects the start of serial deliveries of the XM1299 in 2023 as part of the LRPF program - "Program for the implementation of high-range shooting."
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 23 2020 11: 06 New
    12
    Not a damn device!
    100 km - this is not a sparrow sneezed!
    Only here the trunk for riding is a bit long.
    (Well, I have no other arguments ...)
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 11: 25 New
      -7
      It is a pity that we have only 80 km firing range of the Coalition-SV.
      The Caesar’s weapon also loses to the Coalition. The firing range when using rockets is 42 km. Russian self-propelled guns can shoot 80 km. Accuracy of getting to such far distances is ensured thanks to special guided projectiles that can adjust their course and navigate using the GLONASS system.

      https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/t/20191241422-vdfTI.html
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad April 23 2020 11: 38 New
      +6
      In turn, the question arises of the possibility of using tactical nuclear warheads.
      A good tool for low-power nuclear charges.
      The deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General Paul Selva, stated the need to develop low-power nuclear weapons to deter Russia.
      https://russian.rt.com/world/article/642552-yadernye-boegolovki-malaya-moschnost-rossiya-pol-selva
      This self-propelled gun fits well into their concept of a "war of the future" using low-yield nuclear charges. And when using such ammunition, special accuracy is not required. And it will hardly be possible to intercept him.
      1. Hermit21
        Hermit21 April 25 2020 10: 12 New
        -1
        Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers. Where will they take these low-power nuclear charges in the absence of production of new nuclear charges until at least 2033
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 23 2020 11: 41 New
      12
      Quote: Victor_B
      Well, I have no other arguments

      But they are not needed.
      Americans are generally very strange guys. First, actually abandon the MLRS. Then begin to learn how to shoot a few barrel artillery with micro-rockets ...
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad April 23 2020 11: 52 New
        +2
        What's so strange about that? They have democracy. Some are for, others are against. No one will mind using the allocated budget. Lobbyists are doing their job.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 23 2020 12: 10 New
          +7
          Quote: x.andvlad
          What is so strange here? They have a democracy.

          Attempts to cut the tonsils through the anus cannot even be justified by democracy laughing

          Here in this particular case. The need for a high firing range conflicts with the mandatory presence of fully automatic loading.

          A long-range projectile must be as long as the old Krasnopol, and it can only be pushed into the barrel by hand. Even on 2S19 there were problems with them - we had to carry a shell for the breech fence together with belts
          1. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad April 23 2020 12: 21 New
            +5
            And you think it will stop them from further development of the automatic loader?
            There is money, there is something to work on. So they move the brain.
            PS: It may well be that they have this ammunition is not so long.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 23 2020 12: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: x.andvlad
              And you think it will stop them from further development of the automatic loader?

              Not on your nelly. They are more likely to reduce the amount of explosives in their super shell laughing
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal April 23 2020 13: 19 New
          -1
          And we had an authoritarian Serdyukov. Did everyone like it?
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 23 2020 13: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Americans are generally very strange guys. First, actually abandon the MLRS. Then begin to learn how to shoot a few barrel artillery with micro-rockets ...

        This is such an answer to our Coalition-SV, apparently. Like we can too. Here the more important question is not in range, but in rate of fire. And in this matter, I think our Coalition looks better. Well, I’m sure that they will also teach us how to shoot missiles at greater distances.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 23 2020 14: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, I’m sure that they will also teach us how to shoot missiles at greater distances.

          The only trouble is, dear, that for example Lopatov, the comment of which you replied, does not see the need for such a shell in the Russian army ...

          What is the reason for this, I did not understand, due to the confusion of the explanations.
          One can only hope that among the Russian Defense Ministry there are people looking to the future among the artillerymen, rather than resting on their laurels.
          1. Lontus
            Lontus April 23 2020 15: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Insurgent
            The only trouble is, dear, for example, Lopatov, to whose comment you answered, does not see the need for such a shell in the Russian army ...

            What is the reason for this, I did not understand, due to the confusion of the explanations.

            Already a hundred times discussed and indicated here (including Lopatov):

            1. The long-range unguided projectile is extremely inaccurate and pointless.
            2. A guided missile is more expensive than a guided missile, carries a smaller warhead, and is much less flexible in application.

            Long-range shells are stupid and / or drank.
            Americans are not stupid - accordingly ....
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 23 2020 20: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Insurgent
            the only food, dear, is that for example Lopatov, to whose comment you answered, does not see the need for such a shell in the Russian army ...

            What is the reason for this, I did not understand

            at long ranges, a missile is more effective than a projectile in all respects. We have a MLRS - we don’t need to reinvent the wheel on square wheels.
            The barrel artillery has its own niche, the MLRS - its own.

            Well, the Americans ... whatever the child would be amused, do not blindly copy them?
            1. 1_2
              1_2 April 23 2020 23: 34 New
              0
              We have the Hermes anti-tank missile, a missile capable of speeds up to 1300 m / s and flying at a range of up to 100 km. laser drones

              https://topwar.ru/91629-raketnye-kompleksy-semeystva-germes.html
              1. Sniper Amateur
                Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 20: 53 New
                -2
                The range of application of aviation modification is 15-20 km day and night

                And the speed of the ATGM ATGM "Hermes-A" is noticeably lower than the one you specified.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 23 2020 14: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          This is such an answer to our Coalition-SV, apparently. Like we can too

          They had the answer ready two decades ago, XM2001 "Crusader"
          Actually, it all started with them. And the charge modules, the idea of ​​which was picked up by the developers of the "Coalition", were developed just then, for that project.

          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, I’m sure that they will also teach us how to shoot missiles at greater distances.

          But why?
          We have MLRS, Medvedev and Serdyukov are not in power, why blindly copy unsuccessful decisions?
          How many explosives will there be in such a missile projectile?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 23 2020 15: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            How many explosives will there be in such a missile projectile?

            But the concept of small nuclear charges is now not discussed unless lazy around the world.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Spade
              How many explosives will there be in such a missile projectile?

              But the concept of small nuclear charges is now not discussed unless lazy around the world.

              The nuclear charge in the "155-mm projectile with a ramjet engine" will definitely not fit
              And into the Iskander missile is easy.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 23 2020 15: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                The nuclear charge in the "155-mm projectile with a ramjet engine" will definitely not fit
                And into the Iskander missile is easy.

                Well, yes ... just let’s take together the cultivator and calculate the cost of Iskander and his rocket and the cost of the Coalition and its shell.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Well, yes ... just let’s take together the cultivator and calculate the cost of Iskander and his rocket and the cost of the Coalition and its shell.

                  Well, yes ... just let’s take a cultivator together and calculate the cost of an excavator and the cost of a hammer.
                  The cost of a hammer is less, therefore, for earthwork we will buy it.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 23 2020 15: 26 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Well, yes ... just let’s take a cultivator together and calculate the cost of an excavator and the cost of a hammer.
                    The cost of a hammer is less, therefore, for earthwork we will buy it.

                    No need to juggle ... or is it more convenient for you to hammer a nail with a sledgehammer, rather than a hammer? The logic is iron-Schaub for sure.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      No need to juggle ...

                      ?
                      Once again, a nuclear warhead will not fit into an active-missile.
                      Therefore, this is not a distortion, it is a cheap hammer for earthworks.
    4. military_cat
      military_cat April 24 2020 17: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      (Well, I have no other arguments ...)

      Phew, you were born yesterday. Write that this is all a lie, and the Americans did not provide any evidence.
  2. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer April 23 2020 11: 06 New
    +5
    Dangerous gadget. )
    https://naukatehnika.com/novyie-dalnobojnyie-gaubiczyi-ssha.html
    Find more information here.
    "Rafferty noted that later a separate contract will be signed for the supply of new ammunition. So, at the end of the year, a presentation of the capabilities of a 155-mm projectile with a ramjet engine will take place."
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 23 2020 11: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      So, at the end of the year, a presentation of the capabilities of a 155-mm projectile with a ramjet engine will take place "

      Interestingly, there BB left? Or did the shell become purely kinetic? laughing
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 23 2020 14: 51 New
        -1
        Judging by the hit near the car there was a small charge, the jeep did not even swing from the explosion: a flash and a cloud of dust.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 23 2020 14: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: NordUral
          Judging by the hit near the car there was a small charge, the jeep did not even swing from the explosion: a flash and a cloud of dust.

          Probably...
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 23 2020 11: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      Rafferty noted that a separate contract for the supply of new ammunition would later be signed. So, at the end of the year, a presentation of the capabilities of a 155-mm projectile with a ramjet engine will take place "

      Expensive shells with guidance systems. Cheaper than rockets? And how much cheaper is the Smerch missile with a similar guidance system? The fight, the fight is competitive.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 23 2020 11: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And how much cheaper the Smerch missile

        Incomparably
        The "Tornado" warhead weighs a quarter of a ton.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 09 New
    -2
    ..and we are upgrading a diesel engine with a box at Peony.
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak April 23 2020 11: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: Zaurbek
      ..and we are upgrading a diesel engine with a box at Peony.

      And here Peony. Maybe with the "Coalition" should be compared.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 23 2020 11: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      and we are upgrading a diesel engine with a box at Peony.

      We are testing the "coalition", you wanted to say ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 21 New
        +1
        No, I'm talking about the last article of ao peony / malka and that she does not need a new barrel and ammunition.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 23 2020 11: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          No, I'm talking about the last article of ao peony / malka and that she does not need a new barrel and ammunition.

          Peony really does not need - 203 mm - you are tormented with making a new trunk for one and a half hundred cars in total, not to mention how many of them are really combat-ready, plus it will shoot almost exclusively with vigorous loaves, why is there something new when and old heaps?
          Mioni Malka are very niche vehicles, the new American self-propelled gun can only be compared with the "coalition"
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 24 New
            -2
            You can make 152mm ... calibers in 65
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 April 23 2020 11: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Zaurbek
              You can make 152mm ... calibers in 65

              What's the point? If 152 already have a coalition? The essence of the peony is only one - 203 mm for the old 203 mm shells, primarily vigorous ...
              Peonies with small ones are restored only in order to still serve, so that later they can be easily written off.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 23 2020 12: 27 New
                +3
                The essence of Peony is different ... an open platform without a tower and a wheelhouse with rear mounted guns ... and tank chassis. Respectively:
                1. There are no restrictions on the length and weight of the art system that the Mst and the Coalition have.
                2 the relative simplicity and low cost of replacing the art part.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 April 23 2020 17: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  The essence of Peony is different ... an open platform without a tower and a wheelhouse with rear mounted guns ... and tank chassis. Respectively:
                  1. There are no restrictions on the length and weight of the art system that the Mst and the Coalition have.
                  2 the relative simplicity and low cost of replacing the art part.

                  This all does not really matter - the entire platform is no longer being produced, so even have to be upgraded instead of repair!
                  Moreover, the American car won - the tower is completely rotating. As for the barrel length - is it almost XNUMX times longer for the coalition than for the revenge, where is it much longer?
    3. strannik1985
      strannik1985 April 23 2020 12: 12 New
      -1
      ..and we are at Peony

      And we have MLRS for firing at long ranges.
      1. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. April 23 2020 14: 53 New
        -2
        Who do we have ?? MLRS "Smerch" - 90 km or supposedly 120 ... Belarus with the Chinese MLRS -200 km .... MLRS PLA-450 km ...
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 23 2020 21: 18 New
          0
          Quote: V.I.P.
          MLRS PLA -450km ...

          in this case, the domestic MLRS shell - 500))

          If confused MLRS and OTRK

          you’re a good creature to compare the OTRK with the MLRS missile. Why then not compare with Iskander?
          The Chinese 750 mm M20 is an operational tactical missile. The same class as on Iskander.



          as for the WS-1B MLRS, its 300-mm 730-kg shells fly 100 km, 400-mm WS-2 MLRS shells fly up to 200 km. Chinese Tornado A-100 can send a projectile 100 km. So the data is quite comparable.
          1. V.I.P.
            V.I.P. April 23 2020 21: 48 New
            0
            Namely, the MLRS WS 2C-300 km, WS2D-400 km, WS3 -450 km, AR3 -280 km (with the Fire Dragon rocket) ... but with the SY400-450 km ballistic missile
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 23 2020 22: 16 New
              0
              Quote: V.I.P.
              WS3 -450km

              to put it mildly - not true.
              the declared firing range of the MLRS indicated by you is from 70 to 200 km. All the difference from WS-2 - increased accuracy.

              Despite the fact that a Chinese 400-mm rocket with a mass per ton of three hundred carries warheads of only 200 kilos (for comparison, a 300-mm tornado with a mass of 800 kilos has a warhead of 250 kg)
              there are no miracles - you always have to compromise between the range and the mass of the cargo being thrown.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 23 2020 11: 14 New
    +3
    At the same time, the military themselves make it clear that the self-propelled guns are not tasked with the indispensable "point" destruction of enemy targets and weapons
    No correspondent. ammunition weapons of terror in its purest form, or bolt to fasten.
  5. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 23 2020 11: 14 New
    11
    I honestly do not see the point in such a range for artillery without special ammunition. HE impact of a 155mm projectile is not so high as to hit a well-protected object or a serious crossing. This is the task of OTR or aviation. Barrel artillery still mainly works for the purposes that they are cut by kobrigs and divisional commanders, t / e to a depth of 50 km.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 23 New
      -2
      A crossing or a bridge can hit 5-6 corr ammunition.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 April 23 2020 11: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Zaurbek
        A crossing or a bridge can hit 5-6 corr ammunition.

        The main thing is that the cost of shells does not exceed the cost of crossing or bridge)))
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 23 2020 11: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Albert1988
          The main thing is that the cost of shells does not exceed the cost of crossing or bridge)))

          A normal bridge will definitely be more expensive this time.
          Two, do not forget to consider as a plus all that on crossing the bridge will not be able to pass after the impact, but here is a completely different math.)
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 23 2020 12: 14 New
            +4
            It's me. Of course, I exaggerate, I had in mind that among Amers it may happen that shells striking for 100+ kilometers turn out to be not just gold. and platinum, and destroying them most of the targets will be really more expensive than the same tomahawks or aircraft missiles. as happened with Zamvolt.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 23 2020 23: 58 New
          0
          Will not exceed
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 23 2020 21: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Crossing or a bridge can hit 5-6 corr with ammunition

        You can hit, but with almost 100% probability it can also be said that such low-fat shells will not cause significant damage. Even full-fledged 6-inch shells need to try very hard to bring down the capital bridge (we’re not talking about the village’s wooden bridge, right? About something that can withstand tanks)
    2. alone
      alone April 23 2020 11: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      I honestly do not see the point in such a range for artillery

      Purely psychological effect .. but with special ammunition this is of course a class.
    3. Topgun
      Topgun April 23 2020 12: 12 New
      0
      destroy enemy artillery?
  6. Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs April 23 2020 11: 17 New
    12
    If only it hadn’t turned out like on Zummvolt with its guns, when each shot was at the price of launching a cruise missile.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 23 New
      0
      They have a large-scale projectile and GOS ... and not only in the USA.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 April 23 2020 11: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        They have a large-scale projectile and GOS ... and not only in the USA.

        And yet, for Zamvolt, shells ceased to be produced - they turned out to be expensive ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 35 New
          -1
          There is not a problem in the GOS, but just in range and power .... but they thought, just the 155mm long-barrel system
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 23 2020 12: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            There is not a problem in the GOS, but just in range and power ...

            Well, it is in price - range and power does not match the cost. Cheaper it turned out to naughty rockets - and accuracy is higher to the heap)))
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek April 23 2020 12: 22 New
              0
              It was a concept .... it was not confirmed.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 April 23 2020 13: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Zaurbek
                It was a concept .... it was not confirmed.

                And in this case, he is not immune from such a puncture ...
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek April 23 2020 15: 40 New
                  0
                  This is not a puncture ..... there is such an idea that 100% of 20% of projects are successful and they go further. What can now be modeled on a computer, what no longer appears in metal. The first Americans put forward many concepts and concepts, the rest are already taking into account these successes and mistakes.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 April 23 2020 17: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    This is not a puncture ..... there is such an idea that 100% of 20% of projects are successful and they go further.

                    Well, under normal conditions, frankly unsuccessful projects are evaluated and cut even at the stage of conceptual work, before being embodied in metal ... Only a few reach the test. In the States, by the way, it used to be, but now they just have a shaft! And they devour a cloud of time and money, and turn around zilch ...
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    The first Americans put forward many concepts and concepts, the rest are already taking into account these successes and mistakes.

                    They nominated them before, only acted much more efficiently ..
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek April 23 2020 17: 58 New
                      +1
                      The scale was less and less money ..... you need to develop budgets. And the enemy was more pronounced.
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 April 23 2020 21: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        The scale was less and less money ..... you need to develop budgets. And the enemy was more pronounced.

                        Well, that’s the point!
                    2. mikstepanenko
                      mikstepanenko April 23 2020 21: 56 New
                      +1
                      And they devour a cloud of time and money, and turn around zilch ...

                      What is welcome. Like the F-35. A lot of good and different zilch (they have).
    2. alone
      alone April 23 2020 11: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Sentinel-vs
      when each shot was at the price of launching a cruise missile.

      Do not worry about the price ... if they need it, that means they will find money .. the machine will not rust
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 23 2020 11: 21 New
    -3
    Does the barrel change once, or after each shot? And how is the chassis there, doesn’t crack yet from such loads? Something lies about the Yankees, about the firing range of an ordinary Sau! Or, wishful thinking!
  8. Ruby
    Ruby April 23 2020 11: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Sentinel-vs
    If only it hadn’t turned out like on Zummvolt with its guns, when each shot was at the price of launching a cruise missile.

    It will be so. After all, the budget must be mastered.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 23 2020 11: 26 New
    +2
    at a distance of over 100 km
    At the same time, the use of adjustable ammunition increases the cost of a shot (how much does it cost?), The use of simple ammunition is shooting at areas, but there is an MLRS for this. Why is self-propelled guns such a firing range? Remains the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 23 2020 11: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      but for this there is an MLRS.

      The fact of the matter is that there is no MLRS.
      Their M270 MLRS and M142 HIMARS turned into guided missile launchers
      And these games with the range of the barrel artillery look like a dumb cut of money to her.
      Especially when you consider that their barrel artillery exists only at the brigade level. And the brigade simply has no tasks at such ranges.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare April 23 2020 13: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        And the brigade simply has no tasks at such ranges.

        good Thank! This is the quintessence.
        Such ranges would have come in handy for Zamvolt, but they (shells because of the high price) were abandoned. What can we say about the tasks of the brigade level.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 23 2020 13: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade

        Especially when you consider that their barrel artillery exists only at the brigade level. And the brigade simply has no tasks at such ranges.

        Well, divisions also have their own artillery.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well, divisions also have their own artillery.

          M270 MLRS or M142 HIMARS
          No barrel artillery
  10. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 23 2020 11: 28 New
    +1
    This is achieved both with the help of the technologies realized when creating the XM907 gun, and with the use of long-range ammunition.

    Does each shot cost like Zamvolt's or is it cheaper?
    At the same time, the military themselves make it clear that the self-propelled guns are not tasked with the indispensable "point" destruction of enemy targets and weapons.

    Yes? Like in "areas" and residential areas?
  11. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 23 2020 11: 28 New
    +1
    What kind of ammunition is this, with a caliber of 155 mm and a range of 100 km, this is the same rocket. And then how much fuel is needed to give another impulse to such a range after acceleration with a knockout charge? I admit that such a missile can be thrown up 20-25 km to the top, then free planning, and then if it's just a blank, but you also need a warhead, control system and plumage with navigation. Just some kind of wunder-waffle.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 23 2020 11: 52 New
      +1
      "control system and tail with navigation." ///
      ----
      That's right. Like an Escalibur shell.
  12. Kars
    Kars April 23 2020 11: 29 New
    +2
    What are these targets for a 155 mm projectile per 100 km? Purpose Indication? I do not see the point. 35-40 km is optimal for systems of this caliber.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 23 2020 11: 54 New
      +8
      Quote: Kars
      What are these targets for a 155 mm projectile per 100 km? Purpose Indication?

      For example, these are the group ones:



      I do not think that in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there is a specialist among the artillerymen who would not want the appearance of such a 152mm projectile in the army ...
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 April 23 2020 12: 16 New
        +2
        I do not think that in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

        To abandon MLRS in favor of TR, and then to swell a lot of money in the development of ultra-long-range shells? I hope there will not be such figures in the Moscow Region.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 23 2020 12: 19 New
          +9
          Quote: strannik1985
          To abandon MLRS in favor of TR, and then to swell a lot of money in the development of ultra-long-range shells? I hope there will not be such figures in the Moscow Region.

          Did I write about replacing one with another? What makes you think that the MO will choose the strategy substitution,but not combiningcomplementing one another?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 April 23 2020 12: 31 New
            +1
            Did I write about replacing one with another?

            The American way, but at least it is justified by the difficulties of logistics.
            The budget is not rubber, wanting "strange" in one place, we will not get what we need in another.
          2. Kars
            Kars April 23 2020 13: 02 New
            +1
            Interestingly, the price of the projectile is more or less than that of the truck in the video.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 23 2020 13: 25 New
              +7
              Quote: Kars
              Interestingly, the price of the projectile is more or less than that of the truck in the video.

              Pricing is highly dependent on the country of the developer and manufacturer.
              If this is the United States with its military budget, then this is one price, if the Russian Federation, then another.

              But not everything, dear resident of Zaporozhye, needs to be measured with "trucks"; the moral and psychological impact on the enemy must also be taken into account.
              And the video, in fact, is given only as a generalized example ...
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 23 2020 21: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Insurgent
                it is necessary to take into account the moral and psychological impact on the enemy

                and tearing a 6-inch shell produces a psychological effect much stronger than Hurricane shells (for example)? Which has a warhead weighing 100 kg, of which half are explosives?
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 23 2020 12: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        I do not think that in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation there is a specialist among the artillerymen who would not want the appearance of such a 152mm projectile in the army ...

        Virtually everything.
        There is no point in range for the sake of range.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 23 2020 13: 29 New
          +8
          Quote: Spade
          Virtually everything.
          There is no point in range for the sake of range.

          What factor prompted you to believe that the ammunition, in addition to the characteristics of increased range, cannot also be highly accurate? What do you think is stopping this, which could hold back the appearance of such a projectile first at the developer, and then in the troops?

          If you think so like you, then maybe it makes sense to return to "mattresses" and "unicorns"?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 23 2020 15: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            What factor prompted you to believe that the ammunition, in addition to the characteristics of increased range, cannot also be highly accurate?

            More precision?
            And you can completely refuse the explosive charge ?, most importantly records?

            Quote: Insurgent
            If you think so like you, then maybe it makes sense to return to "mattresses" and "unicorns"?

            We actually have MLRS for this.
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 23 2020 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        For example, these are the group ones:

        Is it necessary for them to hit shells with LYBCH or what?
  13. Mouse
    Mouse April 23 2020 11: 29 New
    +4
    At the same time, the military themselves make it clear that the self-propelled guns are not tasked with the indispensable "point" destruction of enemy targets and weapons.

    Who will God send? recourse
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 23 2020 11: 53 New
      +2
      Who will send GPS to. smile
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 23 2020 12: 34 New
        +1
        Who will send GPS to. smile


        After signal distortion smile Although most likely high-precision ammunition will be guided by a laser beam from a UAV.

        A deadly and efficient system was obtained in the USA.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 23 2020 14: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Who will send GPS to.

        ... or a laser pointer.
  14. awdrgy
    awdrgy April 23 2020 11: 57 New
    +3
    The question is what kind of shell? Surely super-expensive and with a reduced mass of explosives
  15. Vladimir Matveyev
    Vladimir Matveyev April 23 2020 12: 00 New
    -5
    The century of artillery is drawing to a close. In case of war, they will be easily destroyed by drones in the first place.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 23 2020 12: 31 New
      +1
      Pretty stupid trolling.
      The projectile flies faster than the UAV. Drones control centers will be destroyed long before these drones are shot down by anti-aircraft gunners
    2. DDZ57
      DDZ57 April 23 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      The century of artillery is not going anywhere; it is developing not only in the USA, but also among others.
      A little for horizons.
      Assegay seeks to squeeze more reach out of NATO howitzers.
      Rupert Pengelly Review of Jane's International Defense November 10, 2017.

      The 70-kilometer version of the 155-mm Assegai artillery shell, which is fully compatible with NATO standard long-range munitions, is undergoing conceptual study as part of the German-South African company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM).
      This level of range was demonstrated back in 2006 by the then Denel Naschem with a hybrid gas-reactive artillery projectile (VLAP) version m9703 projectile extended range (ERFB). In this case, the ERFB VLAP projectile was fired from a Denel G6-52L self-propelled howitzer equipped with a Losvoor 52 caliber / 25 liter barrel and using a charge of six m64a1 fuel modules to give it an initial speed of 1015 m / s. However, not one of the 48 kg M9703 shells; its associated charge system; nor the Loswur Artillery System (which is no longer sold by Denel) is consistent with NATO's Joint Ballistic Memorandum of Understanding (JBMOU). The latter limits the weight of the projectile to 43,5 kg and the chamber volume to 23 liters.
      The jbmou-compatible 155mm shell family installed in Assegay already includes two VLAP options: the M2005 HE shell filled with 4,3 kg TNT / GN and natural splinters, and the M0256 IHE-PFF variant with a press-filled PBX4 insensitive explosive and preformed fragments (PFF). In a standard atmosphere, both can be released up to 41 km from a 39-caliber / 18l barrel (initial speed of 827 m / s) and up to 54 km from a 52-caliber / 23l barrel (950 m / s), respectively using five jbmou-compatible -and six-module charges.
      The new Assegai VLAP, unofficially designated the VLAP 70, is planned to be launched using the newly developed unitary long-range charge. This will allow the use of the Assegai built-in allowable individual maximum pressure reserve (PIMP 450 MPa) and will specifically correspond to the 23-liter chamber volume of the 155 mm / 52 caliber jbmou artillery system. It will be filled with a modified version of the R5733 rocket fuel used in the current DM92 RWM charging module, and will give the projectile an initial velocity in excess of 1000 m / s. The pressure / time curve will be maintained within the STANDARD working pressure of the implement by switching on a special ignition system.

      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3856936.html

      Rheinmetall develops a 155 mm long-range artillery with a barrel length of 60 calibers
      As reported by Jane's Defense Weekly in Nicholas Fiorenza's article "Rheinmetall develops a new long-range howitzer", the German group Rheinmetall plans to develop a 155-mm long-range artillery gun with a barrel length of 60 calibers (now the most long-range serially produced 155-mm howitzers are barrel in 52 caliber). In particular, Rheinmetall is studying the possibility of using such an artillery system in a self-propelled howitzer on a wheeled chassis as part of the promising program of the German Bundeswehr Zukünftiges Indirektes Feuer.
  16. vlad mirniy
    vlad mirniy April 23 2020 12: 27 New
    +1
    need to upgrade the coalition
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 23 2020 13: 49 New
      0
      Quote: vlad mirniy
      need to upgrade the coalition

      What for? It’s just being developed for advanced shells with an extraordinary range)))
      1. vlad mirniy
        vlad mirniy April 23 2020 14: 49 New
        -1
        I’d just like to clarify with you: at the moment, the firing range of the Coalition is declared at a maximum of 80 km. even with a guided projectile Krasnopol? Or for her, some other promising shells with more than 80 km are being developed. range? If not, then it turns out that they increased the firing range by 20 km. and more, reaching more than 100 km. Regards?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 23 2020 14: 52 New
          0
          Quote: vlad mirniy
          I’d just like to clarify with you: at the moment, the firing range of the Coalition is declared at a maximum of 80 km. even with a guided projectile Krasnopol?

          With a very old Krasnopol shell! Which is available now! And yes - for the Coalition it was announced the development of a whole line of completely new 152 mm projectiles, even on VO there was news. Well, the increased firing range will, according to the available information, be achieved due to the deeply modernized Krasnopol ...
          Of course, the details of the characteristics of the ammunition were not disclosed ...
          And finally - the phrase "modernize the coalition" means. that it is necessary to change the gun mount itself, while it will be enough to modify the projectile - the same "Krasnopol" ...
        2. leon1204id
          leon1204id April 25 2020 14: 19 New
          0
          Krasnopol has only a course correction (accuracy). This is not jet propulsion.
  17. Ruby
    Ruby April 23 2020 12: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir Matveev
    The century of artillery is drawing to a close. In case of war, they will be easily destroyed by drones in the first place.

    There was such a point of view in the 60s. A certain comrade Khrushchev held the same opinion :)
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 23 2020 12: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: Yakut
      There was such a point of view in the 60s. A certain comrade Khrushchev held the same opinion :)

      And on this basis a lot of corruption yes

      But in general - "Different guns are needed, all sorts of guns are important" yes
  18. prodi
    prodi April 23 2020 14: 03 New
    +2
    probably, nevertheless, 100km range is not the distance of practical application of the artillery system, but a certain indirect characteristic of the possible range (much shorter) to fulfill the current feature - fire raid
  19. Shadow
    Shadow April 23 2020 14: 54 New
    +2
    But does it make sense to release a single shell for as much as 100 km? It is useless to work on a moving target, and a warehouse or command post seems to be asking for a multiple launch rocket launcher. what
  20. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk April 23 2020 17: 57 New
    0
    "In this regard, the United States is discussing the accuracy of shooting at ultra-long distances. At the same time, the military themselves make it clear that the ACS is not assigned tasks for the indispensable" point "destruction of enemy targets and weapons. as a means of inflicting maximum damage to the enemy, including damage to his protected objects, using various types of ammunition. "


    An interesting confession. If at such a distance a projectile with a CHARGE, and, quite possibly, CONTROLLED, flies not at the target, but over the area, then what the hell, one wonders, are they painting their electric artillery device there, (railgun), firing copper blanks at the same distance, and claim that they can use it not only on land, but also from ships, where else does the pitching of the ship itself interfere? The Zamvolts are armed with this horror story. The damaging effect of the PROJECT should not be equated with the destructive effect of a kilogram copper without a charge and a control system on the target.
  21. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk April 23 2020 18: 14 New
    0
    Quote: prodi
    probably, nevertheless, 100km range is not the distance of practical application of the artillery system, but a certain indirect characteristic of the possible range (much shorter) to fulfill the current feature - fire raid

    Evolution has robbed man of his tail. Nature does not tolerate excesses, which no longer helps, but interferes with survival. A normal constructor will follow this principle. Ultra-long shooting, which will not be used, is that tail. Barrel wear, complex and expensive shells, fire control systems .....
    Methods of reconnaissance targets. Seeing at 20 km and at 100 is a decent difference.
  22. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 23 2020 20: 42 New
    +1
    American self-propelled guns XM1299 confirmed the characteristics of hitting targets at ranges of over 100 km
    a hundred years ago, in order to shoot 100 km, it was necessary to build such monsters ...
  23. Bobrick
    Bobrick April 23 2020 22: 51 New
    +1
    At such a range, most likely, the height of the upper point of the trajectory will be above 10 km, at not the highest speed, given the number of shells in the salvo of the brigade, the question arises: is it possible for a pair of shells to shoot them down on approach?
  24. sen
    sen April 24 2020 04: 58 New
    +1
    I think Americans are not stupid. And they need this XM1299 self-propelled guns to create threats and pressure on the enemy precisely because of their long range. The enemy will not consider himself safe even being relatively far from the front line. Although of course, from a practical point of view, the use of adjustable shells with a ramjet engine is doubtful, but this self-propelled gun is universal - it can use conventional shells for a shorter range. However, she will have the opportunity to shoot at long ranges, which will force the enemy to constantly take this into account.
    1. agond
      agond April 24 2020 16: 10 New
      -1
      It is interesting due to what the range of 100 km is obtained
      1 in the photo they shoot at an angle of more than 60 * to the horizon, which means that the projectile flies most of the trajectory in the stratosphere where there is very little air resistance
      2 here the thought was made of controlled burning of gunpowder in a cartridge case (although there is probably separate charging) such as six charges of mixed gunpowder and ignite and burn alternately, obviously in the direction from the bottom of the shell to the bottom of the shell, in accordance with the program
      3 it is very likely that water is used when throwing a projectile, for example, mixed powder contains microcapsules with water that limit the temperature increase of powder gases, increase their volume, while the maximum pressure decreases and its duration increases
      4, there may even be a way to store helium in microcapsules or simply pump it into a sleeve before a shot, because it is not 100% filled with gunpowder.
      5 and quite fantastic, in the case, at the time of the shot, in the powder gases to ignite the plasma arc, for the destruction of large molecules of powder gases into smaller ones in order to increase their volume.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth April 24 2020 17: 38 New
        0
        Our normal one is waiting for the projectile to self-lengthen, turning into a stable body, and not something that will go somersault, not wings, of course, and not OTRK, but something common arises
  25. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth April 24 2020 17: 37 New
    0
    and again the question, why is the tank with afar and esu tz low-fat anti-aircraft gun
  26. impostor
    impostor April 24 2020 18: 58 New
    0
    Active reactive with ISSN? That is, if the electronic warfare presses GPS in the battery (division) respawn, then the HLC with subordinates goes for 99 km to observe the signs of gaps? Well, although a ride for Guinness, and the rest - OTRK rulez.
    1. agond
      agond April 24 2020 20: 27 New
      0
      155 mm large projectile, it must be with a homing system, and if they shoot at an angle of 60 *, the projectile rises to a height of about 70 km, it will fall at a large angle and at a speed of possibly more than 800 m / s, it will be destroyed ten times more expensive than a missile shoot them (if the first time), and in the ammunition of self-propelled guns there are more than 30 such,
  27. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 24 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    Quote: agond
    It is interesting due to what the range of 100 km is obtained
    1 in the photo they shoot at an angle of more than 60 * to the horizon, which means that the projectile flies most of the trajectory in the stratosphere where there is very little air resistance
    2 here the thought was made of controlled burning of gunpowder in a cartridge case (although there is probably separate charging) such as six charges of mixed gunpowder and ignite and burn alternately, obviously in the direction from the bottom of the shell to the bottom of the shell, in accordance with the program
    3 it is very likely that water is used when throwing a projectile, for example, mixed powder contains microcapsules with water that limit the temperature increase of powder gases, increase their volume, while the maximum pressure decreases and its duration increases
    4, there may even be a way to store helium in microcapsules or simply pump it into a sleeve before a shot, because it is not 100% filled with gunpowder.
    5 and quite fantastic, in the case, at the time of the shot, in the powder gases to ignite the plasma arc, for the destruction of large molecules of powder gases into smaller ones in order to increase their volume.

    just rocket 155 mm with a gps navigator)))
  28. leon1204id
    leon1204id April 25 2020 14: 22 New
    0
    This barrel will be used only for vigorous charges, otherwise it makes no sense. By its rate of fire and maneuverability ?. After the first shot, they simply crush him, there are missiles on it. Amen. am