The plans for further tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile are announced

The plans for further tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile are announced

As part of the tests of the Russian Zircon hypersonic missile, about ten more missile launches are planned. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source, about ten test launches will be made before the state tests of the Zircon missile are completed. It is specified that approximately 7-8 launches will be made from the side of the surface ship and 2-3 from the side of the submarine. One launch will definitely be underwater.

Before the completion of state tests of the Zircon complex, it is planned to carry out about a dozen more launches of hypersonic missiles from two carriers

- the agency leads the words of the source.

The publication writes that all tests will take place in 2020-2021, they will be attended by the lead frigate of the project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov and the nuclear submarine of the Yasen project Severodvinsk.

It was previously reported that the Zircon hypersonic missile will be adopted in 2022 after the end of the state test cycle. In the future, the missile can supplement, and in some cases replace, the Caliber and Onyx cruise missiles that are in service with ships and submarines, since the standard launcher of the universal ship firing complex (UKKS) 3C-14 is used to launch it.
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  1. aszzz888 April 23 2020 09: 04 New
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    No matter what they say, the work on introducing Zircon into the arsenal is going on and going on. It remains only to wish success, and if possible accelerate the timing of the test.
    1. lucul April 23 2020 10: 38 New
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      No matter what they say, the work on introducing Zircon into the arsenal is going on and going on.

      Well, Zircon is the teeth of our fleet, and the more teeth there are, the better.
      1. Kalmar April 23 2020 11: 03 New
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        Quote: lucul
        Well, Zircon is the teeth of our fleet, and the more teeth there are, the better.

        It is also important that enough jaws have been done. One submarine and one frigate - somehow sour even with the Zircons.
    2. NEXUS April 23 2020 13: 53 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      No matter what they say, the work on introducing Zircon into the arsenal is going on and going on. It remains only to wish success, and if possible accelerate the timing of the test.

      One moment, Zircon will really go into the arsenal of fleets. If they test, rush and do not skid. This RCC in the future will give a good line of new missiles of various classes and purposes. It is this RCC that can nullify the US advantage in AUG.
      1. Kalmar April 23 2020 15: 47 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        One moment, Zircon will really go into the arsenal of fleets. If they test, rush and do not skid.

        I would like to believe. It confuses only a considerable number of examples when the state of “experiencing, rushing and not skidding” is delayed for many years.

        Quote: NEXUS
        It is this RCC that can nullify the US advantage in AUG.

        Change the balance of power - yes, to some extent. Zeroing is highly unlikely: no and there will not be enough media in the foreseeable future.
      2. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 13: 05 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        It is this RCC that can nullify the US advantage in AUG.

        RCC alone does not solve anything. We need carriers, we need target designation.
        1. NEXUS April 24 2020 16: 42 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          RCC alone does not solve anything. We need carriers, we need target designation.

          This is not respected to me, but to the Defense Ministry and our helmsmen. But I personally think that until the roasted rooster asshole, there will not be enough carriers or real-time targeting systems in real time. We have everything in Russia until Moscow is behind us, we are sitting exactly on the ass, and as soon as the northern animal dawned on the horizon, we begin to implement the plans of decades in one five-year plan, heroically overcoming all difficulties and hardships.
          Do you need an example? Yes please ... what prevented us from doing import substitution BEFORE sanctions? And now especially creative minds are broadcasting, more sanctions! With them we have a lift! And why, without a magic pendell, nothing works for us?
          1. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 17: 15 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            This is not respected to me, but to the Defense Ministry and our helmsmen.

            then do not speak for zeroing the AUG. There are many fragile minds on the site who believe that the rocket itself is self-sufficient and does not need any carriers or satellite constellation for target designation, nothing at all. One boat with Zircons - and the entire US fleet will self-float in Hawaii.
            Quote: NEXUS
            Do you need an example?

            They are already so full before my eyes.
  2. voyaka uh April 23 2020 09: 13 New
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    Here is the layout of this universal launcher.
    On it you can estimate the size of Zircon.
    From it a hot start, like the Americans?
    1. KCA
      KCA April 23 2020 09: 54 New
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      Solid Fuel Launch Booster
      1. voyaka uh April 23 2020 11: 36 New
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        I generally assume that Zircon is a combination of solid fuel booster
        and the X-31 super-high-speed aircraft cruise missile.
        The booster throws the rocket into the stratosphere, from where it goes to the target.
        Hypersound will only be at the vertical exit from the container.
        Next is supersonic.
        1. KCA
          KCA April 23 2020 11: 45 New
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          And what is the point of accelerating at start to hypersound and continuing to fly at supersonic sound? Duplicate the more complex and expensive Onyx missile, which has long been in service?
          1. voyaka uh April 23 2020 12: 56 New
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            The fact that it is not necessary to fence the forest and create a direct-flow jet
            engine. And do not puzzle over how to aim at a target in a cloud of plasma.
            All the latest developments in Russia are updated projects of the late USSR.
            Dagger - Iskander, Vanguard - a glider that has already been experienced once.
            Aircraft launch cruise missile is already there. Throw her in the air from the ship
            - and it's in the hat. There is a zircon.
            And the buzzword is "hypersonic"? - it is now added to the warhead of ICBMs,
            and to OBPS shells. To everything that has been moving fast for 50 years.
            Maybe I'm wrong. It will be interesting to compare when they find out what
            top secret zircon in fact.
            1. KCA
              KCA April 23 2020 13: 13 New
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              Supersonic ramjet ramps have long been mastered, “Onyx”, “Bramos” and are even offered for export - “Yakhont”, to disperse ramjet rams to hypersound is a task requiring purely technical and technological solutions, there are no fundamental differences, and guidance most likely begins before plasma reduction and formation - from a height of 50 km, even a small ship simply does not have time to increase or decrease speed, change course
              1. Kalmar April 23 2020 13: 22 New
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                Quote: KCA
                to disperse ramjet to hypersound a task requiring purely technical and technological solutions, there are no fundamental differences

                Except for the fact that the temperature load on the rocket itself increases sharply. Heat resistance of structural materials is not unlimited.

                Quote: KCA
                and guidance, most likely, begins before the decrease and plasma formation - from a height of 50km

                At "Onyx" GOS captures the target from a distance of about 50 km. It turns out that from such a height, and even in the conditions of the enemy using electronic warfare, the missile has doubtful chances to capture the target. So either the Zircon has a radically more powerful radar, or something else.
                1. KCA
                  KCA April 23 2020 14: 30 New
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                  Heated for a short time, at the time of the attack, at an altitude of 50 km (this is the flight altitude of the Onyx, Zircon I don’t know, I guess) even in hypersound there will be no strong heating of the case
                  1. Kalmar April 23 2020 14: 35 New
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                    Quote: KCA
                    at an altitude of 50 km (this is the flight altitude of Onyx, Zircon I don’t know, I suppose) even in hypersound there will be no strong heating of the case

                    Onyx flies 15-20 km.

                    At 50, is there enough atmospheric density to ensure the smooth operation of ramjet, even hypersonic? If you believe the tablet (https://tehtab.ru/Guide/GuidePhysics/GuidePhysicsDensity/DensityAirHeight/), the density is 20 kg / m0.89 for 3 km, and 50 kg / m0.001 for 3 km.
                2. Boa kaa April 24 2020 13: 09 New
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                  Quote: Kalmar
                  So either the Zircon has a radically more powerful radar, or something else.

                  Most likely ECO. Because radar and IK_UFO in such heat? But quartz optics or some other thread - in my opinion, will pull. Well, and of course, pulsed powder dvigla correction, instituted on a computer. Otherwise, at these speeds, you just don’t have time ...
                  AHA.
                  1. Kalmar April 24 2020 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: BoA KAA
                    Most likely ECO. Because radar and IK_UFO in such heat? But optics quartz or some other thread - in my opinion, will pull

                    But the same plasma will not interfere with optics? In the infrared range - continuous "light" from the cocoon, in the visible - too stringent requirements for the conditions of use: cloud cover, fog, smoke will greatly interfere. Well, will such a GOS be sufficiently resistant to blinding, say, by a laser?
              2. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 13: 20 New
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                Quote: KCA
                to disperse ramjet to hypersound a task requiring purely technical and technological solutions, there are no fundamental differences,

                Well did not, since everything is simple ?!
                there are very big difficulties. Try to set fire to fuel when the air stream flies into the engine at a speed of 15-20M ??? This is harder than holding a match for a lit match in a hurricane.
                Also, a very big problem is the kinetic heating of rocket structures. The device with a speed of 2-2,5 times greater will warm up 5-6 times stronger. Moreover, the use of ablation materials is extremely undesirable - in addition to their enormous cost, this still leads to a change in the geometry of the airframe and flight characteristics, and with prolonged exposure to destruction.
                Another issue is guidance.

                Quote: KCA
                guidance most likely begins before the decrease and plasma formation - from a height of 50km

                then these are not the galoshes. Hypersound is needed just in the attack mode (and not on the marching section) - for high probability to overcome missile defense. Modern supersonic air defense systems successfully cope with supersonic targets.
            2. Boa kaa April 24 2020 13: 02 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              Aircraft launch cruise missile is already there. Throw her into the air from the ship - and the point is in the hat. There is a zircon.
              Warrior, I somehow do not remember that the X-31 flew in 9 swoops! But it was precisely this speed that the spies from the CIA recorded. And the French directly wrote that, with a TASS range, that one - very coolly underestimated the distance ...
              So, do not come up with a headache. We can do this!
          2. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 34 New
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            Quote: KCA
            And what is the point of accelerating at start to hypersound and continuing to fly at supersonic sound? Duplicate the more complex and expensive Onyx missile, which has long been in service?


            And if you find data on government orders for 2014-2016, then you will see that the vaunted Zircon is a modernization of Onyx.
            By modernization. but not a rocket of a new type and a new model.
            I wrote about this back in 2016. because I came across the documentation from the State procurement.ru.
            I wrote about this to the Nexus in our polemics (when I was banned every 2 months) about 5 years ago.

            I remember that it was clearly spelled out there, namely the use of the UKKS as Zircon, but this applied to the modernization of Nakhimov.

            And since the modernization of Nakhimov began to cost the same, so much the construction of Gerald Ford - they decided to forget about Nakhimov.
            But it was under him that Zircon was first planned.
        2. Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 12: 06 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          I generally assume that Zircon is a combination of solid fuel booster
          and the X-31 super-high-speed aircraft cruise missile.
          The booster throws the rocket into the stratosphere, from where it goes to the target.
          Hypersound will only be at the vertical exit from the container.
          Next is supersonic.

          Well, you have a fantasy. belay stop RCC X-31AD flies at a speed of about 2 Mach, and Zircon at 8-9 Mach. So by. No wonder Zircon is called a hypersonic rather than supersonic missile. 8-9 Mach is exactly that speed on the march, and not at the exit from UKKS.
        3. NEXUS April 23 2020 13: 56 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          I generally assume that Zircon is a combination of solid fuel booster
          and the X-31 super-high-speed aircraft cruise missile.
          The booster throws the rocket into the stratosphere, from where it goes to the target.
          Hypersound will only be at the vertical exit from the container.
          Next is supersonic.

          I do not agree. Zircon will be hyperspeed in all sections of the movement. Why? Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to start it all. Onyx supersonic anti-ship missiles. So what the hell to change the flea for soap? And in the appendage, remember the start of Nudol. I mean, new materials are already being used to the full, which withstand both transcendental loads at 100 and 200 g, and temperatures.
          1. Kalmar April 23 2020 14: 53 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Zircon will be hyperspeed in all areas of the movement. Why? Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to start it all.

            There is a sense in hypersound only on a part of the trajectory - it gives the right to hang a “hypersonic” nameplate, which is very valuable from a marketing point of view))

            But seriously, here you can compose at least two options for a mixed speed mode:

            1. Marching hypersound (on most of the trajectory), supersonic in the final section. Meaning: to reduce the flight time of the rocket (very important when attacking from long distances). The target does not have time to go far during this time, which increases the likelihood of its detection and capture by a missile.

            2. Marching supersonic, hypersonic in a finite section. Meaning: an enemy air defense breakthrough at maximum speed and a corresponding reduction in the probability of interception. In this version, the main problems ("blindness" of the GOS, heating of the fairing) are no longer so relevant.
            1. NEXUS April 23 2020 14: 57 New
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              Quote: Kalmar
              In this embodiment, the main problems ("blindness" of the seeker, heating of the fairing)

              I’ll probably say a seditious thing, but ... and if our scientists found a way that allows to destroy a plasma cocoon on hyper sound or does not allow to form this same cocoon, by the type of destruction of an air cavity in water?
              1. Kalmar April 23 2020 15: 02 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                and if our scientists have found a way that allows you to destroy a plasma cocoon on hyper sound or does not allow to form this same cocoon

                You can dream a lot here. In the sense that our scientists theoretically can do a lot of things, but what actually managed to be embodied "in the metal" is a big question. I hope that someday Zircon will be presented to the general public, then we will see what and how it is in reality.
                1. NEXUS April 24 2020 16: 55 New
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                  Quote: Kalmar
                  You can dream a lot here. In the sense that our scientists theoretically can do a lot of things, but what actually managed to be embodied "in the metal" is a big question.

                  There have been several attempts to solve this problem:

                  1. Soviet approach (implemented).

                  - Weakly directed microwave emitters - airborne antennas with heated thermal protection and molten material for thermal protection.
                  - On-board antennas with thermal protection, the original design of which has a reduced sensitivity of its radio transparency to the effects of high-temperature aerodynamic heating.
                  - Methods of radio lighting AO for the conditions of aerodynamic heating, providing a reduction of losses in the heated AO.
                  - The use of "long" heat-resistant antennas taken out of the plasma membrane film.

                  The radio command control system, the defendant and the autopilot on board, the transfer of guidance commands and other commands occurs via the command transfer station (SEC) channel.
                  Antenna receiver commands and the respondent are located in pairs on 2 pcs. on the body of the rocket, the shielding of the antennas from the plasma arising from the flight of the rocket in the atmosphere occurs by the injection of freon or a liquid similar in its properties.

                  2. Chinese approach (draft)
                  The amplification of the signal, which can be created by resonance, or coordinated electromagnetic oscillations, between the plasma shell and the surrounding aircraft, a special layer. Celestial scientists suggest adding a “matching layer” to create the necessary resonant conditions during normal hypersonic flight.

                  It is assumed that the matching layer will work as a capacitor in a conventional electrical circuit. The plasma shell, on the other hand, acts as an inductor that prevents changes in the electrical current passing through it. When the capacitor and the inductor are connected together, they can form a resonant circuit.

                  As soon as resonance is reached, the energy will begin to circulate stably between the plasma and the matching layer, as in the case of conventional capacitance and inductance in an electrical circuit. As a result, the incoming radio signal from the Earth can spread through the matching layer and the plasma envelope, as if they do not exist.

                  Note: for this approach to work effectively, the thickness of the matching layer and the plasma shell must be less than the length of the electromagnetic waves used to communicate with the aircraft.

                  As a result, the proposed method will not work if the frequency range of the antennas is too high, as at present.

                  3. American approach

                  In the Space Shuttle era, the problem was partially resolved using the shape of a reusable ship. Its aerodynamic design gave rise to areas with a lower plasma flux density, which allows for limited communication: a descent vehicle — a MCC in some parts of the trajectory.
              2. 3danimal April 23 2020 15: 29 New
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                Belief in “our Kulibins” is a good grandfather.
                But so in assumptions you can go far - even to the Goloshevsky space battleships smile
              3. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 38 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: Kalmar
                In this embodiment, the main problems ("blindness" of the seeker, heating of the fairing)

                I’ll probably say a seditious thing, but ... and if our scientists found a way that allows to destroy a plasma cocoon on hyper sound or does not allow to form this same cocoon, by the type of destruction of an air cavity in water?


                Do you think that our scientists have become the same as the British?
                Refuting all the laws of physics and chemistry?

                I'm so sorry for you ...
                You really want to see the good where it is not.

                be realistic.
          2. mvg
            mvg April 23 2020 21: 28 New
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            extreme loads under 100 and 200 g and temperature

            Wow wassat Again in an unhealthy head violent fantasies ... Oh, not good.
          3. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 37 New
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            Quote: NEXUS

            I do not agree. Zircon will be hyperspeed in all sections of the movement. Why? Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to start it all.


            Andrei, I (under a different nickname) back in 2016, argued that Zircon is simply the essence of Onyx modernization.
            With certain links to government orders. I remember this.
            Perhaps you remember.

            But answer me.
            And to myself.
            Has the problem of the possibility of radar guidance in the atmosphere in a cocoon of plasma been resolved?
            We are talking about hyper, aren't we?

            Do not confuse with Nudol.
            there are different schemes.
          4. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 41 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            I mean, new materials are already being used to the full, which withstand both transcendental loads at 100 and 200 g, and temperatures.

            And please, where did you get information about such loads?

            Well, just from where?

            I would like to see it.
            See new materials.

            Suddenly, and I will find reason for pride ...

            And then I’m all running around carbon fiber and special alloys ... But about 200G ...
            Jlyfrj
            1. NEXUS April 23 2020 22: 50 New
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              Quote: SovAr238A
              And then I’m all running around carbon fiber and special alloys ... But about 200G ...

              That is, new materials can be used on Nudol, and apparently religion does not allow Zircon ... interesting.
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Andrei, I (under a different nickname) back in 2016, argued that Zircon is simply the essence of Onyx modernization.
              With certain links to government orders. I remember this.
              Perhaps you remember.

              To this day, I believe that Zircon is a completely new RCC, and not an advanced modernization of Onyx.
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Has the problem of the possibility of radar guidance in the atmosphere in a cocoon of plasma been resolved?

              We will apparently not consider the stages of the Zircon flight ... as an option, the Zircon accelerating part of the trajectory proceeds in hyper sound, according to the coordinates of the target that have been previously nested. , after accelerating again to hyper sound. The goal is not particularly far away from the initial coordinates and the capture angle of the seeker is quite enough. I repeat, as an option.
              1. SovAr238A April 23 2020 23: 37 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: SovAr238A
                And then I’m all running around carbon fiber and special alloys ... But about 200G ...

                That is, new materials can be used on Nudol, and apparently religion does not allow Zircon ... interesting ..


                Have you seen the location of the communication antennas for control in the atmospheric section on Nudoli, and the location of the GOS on Zircon?
                Did you see the sizes of these sites?
                Apparently not.
                For burning 700 liters of freon for a purity of 60 square centimeters in 3 seconds of atmospheric flight is one for 10 tons of Nudoli, but how much freon is needed to ensure the operation of a GOS with a diameter of 60 cm at the terminal section of Zircon?

                So your head tried to think?


                Or, again, about the "lacking analogues in the world" of Russian scientists, will you begin to carry nonsense?
                1. NEXUS April 24 2020 16: 57 New
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                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Have you seen the location of the communication antennas for control in the atmospheric section on Nudoli, and the location of the GOS on Zircon?

                  Well, about the head it’s more a question for you, since I’ll ask you a counter-question. HAVE YOU SEEN ZIRCON OR THE SAME NECESSARY?
                  1. Uruguay April 24 2020 17: 08 New
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    HAVE YOU SEEN ZIRCON OR THE SAME NECESSARY?

                    Amers have already panicked at the expense of the Nudol killers' rockets, they have already tested them and the effect has exceeded all expectations soldier TTX is not particularly known, but in orbit they hit up to 2000 km and quite accurately ..
    2. venik April 23 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      From it a hot start, like the Americans?

      =======
      Judging by the newsreels, it seems - YES! "Hot"
  3. Voltsky April 23 2020 09: 14 New
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    why not in Warsaw ?! Underwater launching is not the easiest and safest thing; and 533mm both of them
    1. Zaurbek April 23 2020 09: 27 New
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      There is no this universal launcher .... torpedo tube only
      1. Voltsky April 23 2020 09: 36 New
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        you are probably right, but grenades and calibers were easily launched through TA
        1. Dart2027 April 23 2020 09: 51 New
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          UKSK 3S-14 is capable of launching Onyx missiles, which are larger than Caliber.
          1. Zaurbek April 23 2020 10: 32 New
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            What about zircon? Can?
            1. Kalmar April 23 2020 10: 53 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              What about zircon? Can?

              Must. If Zircon is not compatible with UKKS, then it is useless for the fleet.
              1. Zaurbek April 23 2020 11: 02 New
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                UKKS is not a torpedo tube ....
              2. 3danimal April 23 2020 15: 27 New
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                Consequently, Zircon is not a scramjet rocket like the X51 Waverider. It does not fit, especially with a GOS, warhead and booster.
                1. Zaurbek April 23 2020 15: 59 New
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                  And what engine is there, if not a scramjet?
                  1. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 47 New
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                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    And what engine is there, if not a scramjet?

                    Normal ramjet.

                    And Hyper will be in fact only 42-50 km away ... When TTU is fired.
                    This rocket will not have any low-altitude flight in the atmosphere.
                    Only ballistic.
                    1. 3danimal April 24 2020 04: 39 New
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                      Such an option is also possible.
                      The main thing: there is no reason to believe that a breakthrough was made in Russia (namely, this is the creation of a serial scramjet engine), without long tests at flying laboratories, etc.
                  2. 3danimal April 24 2020 01: 14 New
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                    Hypersonic speed has long and successfully (at the flight site) rockets with solid propellant rocket engines developed.
            2. Dart2027 April 23 2020 11: 37 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              What about zircon?

              From the very beginning it was said that Zircon is being made under the UKKS.
            3. Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 12: 09 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              What about zircon? Can?

              It has been said a thousand times that Zircon is launched from UKKS.
        2. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 13: 26 New
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          Quote: Voletsky
          but grenades and calibers were easily launched through TA

          Caliber sizes allow. Like Pomegranate and Tomahawk
    2. venik April 23 2020 11: 12 New
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      Quote: Voletsky
      why not in Warsaw ?! Underwater launching is not the easiest and safest thing; and 533mm both of them

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      It's hard to say .... It seems to me that the main role is played by the internal volume. After all, during first tests will be crowded with people - oo-oo-oo (as always!) and instrumentation - a whole mountain !. And in the "Varshavyanka" - cramped will be! As soon as a little "break-in" - so the people and instrumentation will decrease a little! Then time will reach “Varshavyanka”! (But this is just my personal opinion, not claiming to be "the ultimate truth")
      1. SovAr238A April 23 2020 22: 48 New
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        Quote: venik
        Then time will reach “Varshavyanka”! (But this is just my personal opinion, not claiming to be "the ultimate truth")

        When 850mm torpedo tubes are delivered in Varshavyanka, then maybe they will master the launch of the Zircons ...
        1. venik April 23 2020 23: 23 New
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          Quote: SovAr238A
          When 850mm torpedo tubes are delivered in Varshavyanka, then maybe they will master the launch of the Zircons ...

          ========
          And what, "Zircon" has a diameter of 85 cm ?? Honestly, I thought that it would be no more than 0.67 m, once it breaks into UKSK 3S-14 ....
          1. SovAr238A April 24 2020 00: 55 New
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            Quote: venik
            Quote: SovAr238A
            When 850mm torpedo tubes are delivered in Varshavyanka, then maybe they will master the launch of the Zircons ...

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            And what, "Zircon" has a diameter of 85 cm ?? Honestly, I thought that it would be no more than 0.67 m, once it breaks into UKSK 3S-14 ....

            The diameter of TPS 314 Onyx is 720mm.

            On submarines UKKS not worth it.
            There is a UPU SM-346.

            This is so for general development.

            TPN 314 - for Onyx.
            TPC 3C-44 - for Gauges.
            Through the frame modules SM-704.
      2. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: venik
        Then time will reach “Varshavyanka”!

        to Varshavyanka will not reach. Because Zircon is not intended to be launched from TA. On Yasen, missiles (Onyx and Caliber) are located in mine launchers (PU SM-346 for 4 and 5 places respectively) So that the Varshavyanka could use Onyx and Zircons, she would need to embed an additional “missile” section, or exchange torpedo tubes for a giant caliber. Onyx in TPK has a diameter of 720 mm, Zircon is clearly no less.
        That's why they are testing with Yasen, it already has PU for these missiles


        Quote: venik
        It seems to me that the main role is played by the internal volume. There, after all, during the first tests, the people will fill up - oo-oo-oo (as always!) And the instrumentation is a whole mountain !. And in the “Varshavyanka” - it will be cramped!

        but you have, as always, the reason sucked out of your finger ... because the cat wept hi
    3. Sky strike fighter April 23 2020 14: 16 New
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      why not in Warsaw ?! Underwater launching is not the easiest and safest thing; and 533mm both of them

      Severodvinsk will test Zircon from its vertical launchers. Neither Onyx nor Zircon will be launched from 533 mm TA, they will not fit there unlike the Caliber missile family.
      Varshavyanka has only 533 T.A. so this is technically impossible.
  4. Pvi1206 April 23 2020 09: 15 New
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    Launcher compatibility is an important factor for both the production and use of missile weapons.
  5. Pavel57 April 23 2020 09: 39 New
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    Sooner or later, the ZS-14 will become small.
    1. venik April 23 2020 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Sooner or later, the ZS-14 will become small.

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      It was rumored that the CaliberМ"(for surface ships) develop - for larger and heavier missiles ......
      Well, and so: "Caliber" is good because rockets that missiles have a diameter of no more than 533 mm (that is, they are suitable for torpedo tubes).
      1. SovAr238A April 23 2020 23: 12 New
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        Quote: venik

        Well, and so: "Caliber" is good because rockets that missiles have a diameter of no more than 533 mm (that is, they are suitable for torpedo tubes).


        Do you understand ...
        But it’s funny to see how Caliber is extolled ...

        The appearance of Caliber is nothing more than a repetition of the American path in the Tomahawk.

        They came up with the nuclear missile launcher Tomahawk - we came up with (or, to be honest, completely copied it, especially the engine - one to one) Grenade KS-122.

        They made a non-nuclear tactical modification and anti-ship modification of the Tomahawk.

        We made a non-nuclear tactical and anti-ship modification of the Grenade. But for some reason they called it Caliber, and we extol it as "having no analogues in the world". Although its analogues appeared 20 years earlier.
        Direct analogues.
        Garnet and Caliber are twin brothers.
        They even have twin engines - item 36.
        True, the more reliable Zaporozhye ones were installed on the Pomegranate, because there was the Soviet Union and reliability for nuclear KR was more important, while the Omsk-Rybinsk ones failed the tests,



        Caliber-M - no and never will.
        1. venik April 24 2020 12: 46 New
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          Quote: SovAr238A
          Caliber-M - no and never will.

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          Justify please!
      2. Grigory_45 April 24 2020 13: 02 New
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        Quote: venik
        It was rumored that already Caliber-M (for surface ships) develop

        Caliber-M - mobile land complex
        Rather, it is Wishlist, which are not related to reality.
  6. sanik2020 April 23 2020 09: 41 New
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    It remains only to wish success, and if possible accelerate the timing of the test.

    I join the wish for success, but you yourself know the haste where you need it, let them calmly bring everything to mind and let the enemies rise in their throats.
    1. antivirus April 23 2020 10: 11 New
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      the enemy will get a stake in the throat .-- Are you talking about bridges across the Dnieper? or mississippi?
  7. Thrifty April 23 2020 11: 04 New
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    Look what democracy, even the date of launches, and the flight path online showed! !!! Isn’t there a lot of "" issued on the mountain "information, which is classified as" Secret "???
    1. ancient April 23 2020 13: 04 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn't there a lot of information "issued to the mountain" of information which is classified as "Secret" ???

      Such information is broadcast only from ... "blessings of the relevant authorities" bully
      And if "voiced", then .. "this" .. for some reason and for something .. need wink
    2. SovAr238A April 23 2020 23: 14 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Look what democracy, even the date of launches, and the flight path online showed! !!! Isn’t there a lot of "" issued on the mountain "information, which is classified as" Secret "???


      And who are you?
      A sofa warrior who signs his uselessness and covers his uselessness with a "secret" bar?
  8. Piramidon April 23 2020 19: 54 New
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    with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

    According to the source

    leads agency source words

    Previously reported

    Nothing concrete. Everything is at the OBS level. Someone, somewhere, said something, but I heard. It would be better to remain silent and wait for something more official than to collect rumors and dump them on the site. request IMHO.