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White spots of the war in the Donbass - the transition of the Ukrainian military to the territory of Russia

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White spots of the war in the Donbass - the transition of the Ukrainian military to the territory of Russia

One of the white spots of the Ukrainian civil war is the transition of the Ukrainian military across the border to Russian territory. In Ukraine, for obvious reasons, they tried to keep silent about this. This was not included in the standards of propaganda of Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Avakov. But the number of Ukrainian soldiers who decided to flee the Civil War in 2014 turned out to be considerable. And to hide this fact is impossible.


In the video, war correspondent Alexander Sladkov talks about those events. On the channel "Sladkov +" actually archival data are presented that in 2014 in the territory of the Rostov Region it was also necessary to build special points to accommodate the soldiers of various power units of Ukraine who fled from the war.

According to Alexander Sladkov, many Ukrainian soldiers and officers were injured in battles with Donbass militias. On Russian territory, they were not only accepted, but also rendered all the necessary medical care. It is also noted that those who were not injured were handed back to the Ukrainian side.

All the details about the reception center for those who escaped from the war are in the video on the channel "Sweet +":

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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 22 2020 15: 16 New
    -24
    The current Sladkov is not the same ...
    Not the one who told the truth from the streets of Grozny ...
    However, Kiselev is not the same, and Soloviev, and Norkin ...
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 22 2020 15: 18 New
      23
      Not the one that in the 90s Nevzorov looks down on all of the characters listed above and contemptuously. However, he now completely forgot how to look differently ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 40 New
        17
        Dill, still in its repertoire. yes Blown up on their own mines ...

        But please pay attention to how close the front line is to Donetsk, and how close the tanks ride from the airport ... A runway length of 4 km can give an idea ...
        The red frame on the map indicates the location of the tank detonation.

        Quote: Colonel Cassad
        From the DPR, it is reported that in the vicinity of the village of Peski, on the Pesky-Pervomaiskoye road, a T-64 APU tank from the 57th brigade blew up on an anti-tank mine. 3 crew members were killed. The explosion damaged a military truck, where 2 heavy 300x. Given the fact that this area has long been under the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it cannot be ruled out that they hit a mine.
        Skirmishes continued at night in the Donetsk direction and in the Yasinovataya area (shooting, machine guns, gas stations, grenade launchers, mortars), but with this everything was as usual and without major changes.


        1. Horst78
          Horst78 April 22 2020 15: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: Insurgent
          The red frame on the map indicates the location of the tank detonation.

          They have positions there

          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 01 New
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            Quote: Horst78
            They have positions there

            Yes I fine know this place.

            The top photo shows their position of "Bermuda" (characteristic 3-gon) ...
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 April 22 2020 16: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Insurgent
              position "Bermuda"

              And from the top on the left, what is the "Square"?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 19 New
                +7
                Quote: Horst78
                And from the top on the left, what is the "Square"?

                Sorry, I didn’t understand, in the picture that you posted, or on mine?
                1. Horst78
                  Horst78 April 22 2020 16: 33 New
                  0
                  On my
                  It’s better seen here.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 37 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Horst78
                    It’s better seen here.

                    Sorry, but in such isolation of the object from other landmarks by which to judge,what is it and where,I find it difficult to answer...
                    There is nothing to "tie" to No.

                    I advise you to visit this service, there you will probably find the answer to your request. yes

                    https://bestmaps.ru/map/osm/map/12/48.0823/37.8093
                    1. Horst78
                      Horst78 April 22 2020 17: 07 New
                      +2
                      It seems to figure it out. As the wastewater treatment plant expected


                      1. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 22 2020 17: 21 New
                        +7
                        You know, in these Google and Yandex maps, sometimes the devil himself will break his leg ...

                        And we had to, often use only them, there are still no others (?).

                        Actually, what am I talking about? A ... About the fact that, for example, on this map, in the field, between the "promka" and the road to the blown-up bridge (red rectangle), are located (judging by the Yandex map) - reservoir.
                        But I was there, there - fieldweeds ...

                      2. Horst78
                        Horst78 April 22 2020 17: 32 New
                        +2
                        As far as I know, even just abandoned reservoirs are overgrown (nature will take its toll). And if reclamation has also been carried out, then it is generally a "fairy tale". hi
                      3. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 22 2020 17: 36 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Horst78
                        As far as I know, even just abandoned reservoirs are overgrown (nature will take its toll). And if reclamation has also been carried out, then it is generally a "fairy tale". hi

                        No ... I "crawled with my belly" there, and waved it off with a shovel ...

                        The usual nonsense of "online maps" ...
                        Forcibly using satellite images from Google and Yandex, we had to take into account that in determining the distances between objects, they "twist" ...
                      4. Horst78
                        Horst78 April 22 2020 18: 01 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Forcibly using satellite images from Google and Yandex, we had to take into account that they "twist" in determining the distances between objects

                        It’s a pity that you have such a situation with cards. In Siberia, it’s impossible for me to imagine how you have it in place. I was very surprised that your localities are separated by coordinates and not by the distances between them as with Us.
                      5. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 22 2020 18: 06 New
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                        Quote: Horst78
                        I was very surprised that your localities are separated by coordinates and not by the distances between them as with Us.

                        Here, you are fundamentally wrong ... "We", in fact, like "everywhere", is accepted one system reading cards, as well as the signs on them ...

                        The map, it is in Africa - the map ...

                        " Still life on the topic "Map of Donbass" "

                      6. Horst78
                        Horst78 April 22 2020 18: 16 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Here, you are fundamentally wrong ... "We", in fact, like "everywhere", adopted a unified system of reading cards, as well as the designations on them ...

                        Everything is clear with the cards. It amazes me that the settlements are simply expensive divided. When I arrived, I don’t even understand right away. Where am I? what

                        No, in central Russia and southern Siberia as well. We just have a distance of 120 km in the North. it is not a distance. We really have directions laughing
                      7. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 22 2020 18: 19 New
                        17
                        We are industrial, for the most part, and "compacted" ...

                        Here, some bastard, has already "minus" ...

                        To you ..... Mortgage tortured fellow
                      8. Horst78
                        Horst78 April 22 2020 18: 34 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        We are industrial, for the most part, and "compacted" ...

                        This is clear. We just have a lot of land laughing and the population is small recourse
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Here, some bastard, has already "minus" ...

                        To you ..... Mortgage tortured

                        I corrected one "+" winked
                      9. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 22 2020 18: 37 New
                        10
                        Quote: Horst78
                        I corrected one "+"

                        Дякую lol
                      10. Alex Nevs
                        Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 48 New
                        +7
                        Don’t pay attention. some sort of horse-waltzmanoid anger breaks. They are crawled here by the Vyalyki Semikotlovy military valtsman, you know how many. laughing for the money he let them in the very tomatoes. And 1000 UAH a day they look with snot in their pants in a dream.
                  2. Alex Nevs
                    Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 44 New
                    0
                    Don’t pay attention. some sort of horse-waltzmanoid anger breaks. They are crawled here by the Vyalyki Semikotlovy military valtsman, you know how many. laughing for money, he let them in the very tomatoes. Here they are and jump.
                  3. siemens7774
                    siemens7774 April 22 2020 21: 58 New
                    +7
                    Insurgent, correcting as I can. These are the liberalists who govern VO are odd.
                  4. dog of war
                    dog of war April 22 2020 22: 50 New
                    -3
                    Liberasts rule VO ?! Nightmare!
                  5. siemens7774
                    siemens7774 April 23 2020 12: 49 New
                    +7
                    dog of war. nothing surprising, there have already been articles about oddities in the military. From today, I have lost the types of epaulets in people and pictures
            2. Oleg Sterol
              Oleg Sterol April 22 2020 19: 15 New
              -10
              In the RSFSR, all villages died, with the exception of the Kuban of the Krasnodar Territory. When you drop in from Russia to Ukraine and Moldova - along the entire road there are residential buildings, you will only be guided by the signs in which village you are now in. They have no deserted roads and endless fields with spills.
            3. phair
              phair April 23 2020 01: 16 New
              +5
              At the Far East, the distances between settlements are 30 km-foot crossing (especially Khabarovsk-Komsomolsk-Sovgavan (Vanino).
            4. Far East
              Far East 1 May 2020 02: 43 New
              0
              Sorry, I didn’t understand anything!
            5. phair
              phair 1 May 2020 14: 43 New
              0
              We do not have endless villages turning one into another. After Ussuriisk, usually the distance is 25-30 km. And on highways in the Khabarovsk Territory, the distance between villages is often 30 km. This is the average that a foot column can pass. Svechin Alexander Andreevich "The Art of Regiment Driving".
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 April 22 2020 18: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        "Still life on the theme" Map of Donbass ""


        Cool. Although it is better to go hunting with such a "tool" and equipment recourse
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 18: 39 New
        15
        Quote: Horst78
        Cool. Although it is better to go hunting with such a "tool" and equipment

        We have six years, other fun and joys.
      4. Horst78
        Horst78 April 22 2020 18: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Insurgent
        We have six years, other fun and joys.

        Willpower and ammo in store good
      5. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 18: 46 New
        13
        Quote: Horst78
        Willpower and ammo in store

        Strength, and willpower,specifically meNow, of course, it won’t hurt, but I’m just must explain that for some time I’m no longer serving, I’m not fighting ...
        Greater complicity is needed for those guys who are now sitting in the trenches in positions with completely unclear prospects ...
      6. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 51 New
        +3
        This "Minsk misunderstanding" is keeping you in a stupor. Something to wait for. Or a donkey or a padishak. Waltzmanoids-Semkotlovye are still looking for money - and it is from the criminal Waltzman. out of reach ... yet
  2. Horst78
    Horst78 April 22 2020 19: 31 New
    +3
    on this map, in the field, between the "promka" and the road to the blown up bridge (red rectangle), there are (judging by the Yandex map) - a reservoir ...
    But I was there, there is a field, weeds ...

    Found on one map (typical military USSR)

    really kind of like a reservoir.
    According to your link to the maps there are old Bing pictures



    On the first is still visible the whole military unit A-1428
    So that's it. On the third one you can see the remains of the structure (the structure can be simply "enclosing"). The road to it, like a "trail", goes from the ventilation shaft of the Putilovskaya mine ("Butovka-Donetskaya"). Perhaps this is the "reservoir" what
  3. Insurgent
    Insurgent April 22 2020 19: 44 New
    10
    Quote: Horst78
    on this map, in the field, between the "promka" and the road to the blown up bridge (red rectangle), there are (judging by the Yandex map) - a reservoir ...
    But I was there, there is a field, weeds ...

    Found on one map (typical military USSR)

    really kind of like a reservoir.
    According to your link to the maps there are old Bing pictures



    On the first is still visible the whole military unit A-1428
    So that's it. On the third one you can see the remains of the structure (the structure can be simply "enclosing"). The road to it, like a "trail", goes from the ventilation shaft of the Putilovskaya mine ("Butovka-Donetskaya"). Perhaps this is the "reservoir" what

    The vent-trunk of Butovka-Donetskaya was broken in February 2017, the second one was apparently piled on the metal by the dill itself, where they were "strengthened".

    A "reservoir", or rather, and most likely a fire-fighting reservoir, was apparently located between the industrial zone and the trunk, on the opposite side from the "piece of iron".
    Actually, we most likely stumbled upon it, "wandering" around the trunk in winter 2017. And they were also surprised that it could be hidden there, without any problems, up to the company of the LS ...

    I’ll say one thing: With cards in NM DPR (LPR?) - The trouble.

    And W / H, a familiar offspring ...
  4. Horst78
    Horst78 April 22 2020 20: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Insurgent
    And the "reservoir", or rather, and most likely a fire-fighting reservoir

    Here I am about it. On civil maps, this will be "water." those. "Water" On firefighters "fire water.", And on military "vd.khr". Those. for civilians, just water. For firefighters, a reservoir is suitable for water intake (you cannot collect water from any puddle). For the military, there is a source of water. It's just that whoever has what priorities is on the maps and denotes infrastructure and environment objects.
    PS in my screenshot at the bottom left it says "off" ie for the military, this is already a guideline that water cannot be used.
  5. Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev April 24 2020 13: 38 New
    0
    You were thinking about the "inaccuracies" in public maps ...
    Since the days of the USSR, inaccuracies were deliberately introduced ... who knows how many people use them for personal gain.
    Satellite and online maps are also subject to targeted changes.
    They are usually even updated no more than once every 2-5 years.
    But for a fee, they can do everything "correctly and accurately", business)
  6. Insurgent
    Insurgent April 24 2020 14: 19 New
    10
    Quote: BoratSagdiev
    You were thinking about the "inaccuracies" in public maps ...

    In the know, but forced to use them, "in the absence" ...
  7. Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev April 24 2020 18: 06 New
    0
    Then, unfortunately, only graph paper or centimeter.
  • Terenin
    Terenin April 22 2020 17: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    The current Sladkov is not the same ...
    Not the one who told the truth from the streets of Grozny ...
    However, Kiselev is not the same, and Soloviev, and Norkin ...

    Well, maybe request . Suggest a choice.
    Here is my list further: - Malakhov, Pozner, Bulls ... and, some other Dud and Sobchak ... crying
  • Larisa Byvsheva_3
    Larisa Byvsheva_3 April 23 2020 13: 59 New
    -1
    And the Kiselev-Solovyov-Minkins were ever "those" ?!
  • Mahony
    Mahony April 24 2020 08: 56 New
    0
    Everyone is dancing to the tune. Journalism has perished with us.
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 22 2020 15: 19 New
    +4
    But the number of Ukrainian soldiers who decided to flee the Civil War in 2014 turned out to be considerable. And to hide this fact is impossible

    And if Russia were not "half-dimensional"? I'm afraid to imagine how many Ukrainians would vote with their hands and feet for unification with Russia .. When Crimea returned to its native harbor, many Ukrainians wished for the same fate.
    1. Emphasis
      Emphasis April 22 2020 15: 24 New
      -11
      And many did not want to? What would be done with the unwilling?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 22 2020 15: 39 New
        11
        Quote: Accent
        And many did not want to? What would be done with the unwilling?

        Same as in 1945! To those who committed war crimes - court and punishment in the amount of from a Siberian forest plot to VMN, who did not commit anything and do not want to live a human life - a suitcase, Europe station, where they sought! And do not declare the type of your land, when such an idea comes, remember about Donbass and Lugansk and their inhabitants, about what they were offered and are offering, about the Russian world, etc. stop !
        1. Emphasis
          Emphasis April 22 2020 15: 54 New
          -13
          Well look: I'm from the south of Ukraine. Of all my friends, I would like to live in Russia up to ten people, plus or minus. Mostly those with relatives from the Donbas. The rest, including myself, do not want to live in Russia. What to do with such here as I thought you should have? Hold a referendum? In Nikolayevshchina (about which I can speak with full confidence, and now I say so that they do not accuse me of not understanding what I am writing about) the results would be somewhere around 90 by 10, well, the ceiling is 80 by 20, although the first option is more realistic.
          And how would you solve the situation with us? To fight, to force, what options ???
          Then the question just begs the question, how do you feel about the Austrian Anschluss with Germany at one time? Indeed, there really, unlike Ukraine and Russia, the absolute majority wanted. It turns out that everything went right there and the Germans were right?
          For me, it was an international crime
          1. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek April 22 2020 16: 02 New
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            You need to turn off the Internet there for a month, and drown out all your channels that say about Russia that “it's even worse there than here, ha-ha,” and the opinion of the majority would have changed. If only because they would begin to think for themselves, and would not allow the talking heads from the TV to think for themselves.
            1. Emphasis
              Emphasis April 22 2020 16: 36 New
              -13
              To begin with, I have been to Russia more than once, and not only in Moscow or St. Petersburg, so I can compare the real standard of living absolutely soundly. Moreover, he will say little different. We live, if you look sensibly and impartially, equally shitty.
              But I was also with my wife in fact in the vast majority of European countries, and I can tell you that they live in their majority much better. I mean ordinary people. Yes, of course, there are nuances that are caused more likely by a difference in mentality, which is why they hurt eyes. But globally, ordinary people live much better there.
              And people themselves want to live better than now, which is logical.
              Well, for example, a young Ukrainian guy goes to earn money in the same Poland and sees that they are, damn it, they live better and by itself the thought comes to mind: Why don't we live like that?
              We do not want to live either in Russia or in Europe, we want to live in Ukraine but with a European standard of living. This is the whole reason. And you say that we are direct Anti-Russia. So we are sincere on the drum of business in Russia, we have our own country and our own problems.
              1. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek April 22 2020 17: 05 New
                11
                Well, work on your own, and not on earnings in Poland, is it business?

                Well, or once again pokamlaite with pots on your head that "Ukraine is already Europa", maybe this time it will work.

                After you killed Elderberry, you only have one adequate analyst of what is happening and where you are downloading. Andrew's name is Alias ​​Vajra.

                Read and listen at your leisure, the current is more accurate, you can get it for this.
              2. antivirus
                antivirus April 22 2020 17: 36 New
                +4
                at death they grab a straw - do not ask Heroy for Russian (and Buryat) straw) - all groans to Obama and Merkel
                swim out - your happiness, drown in g - not my problem
                hello to Alexei the Mighty, Dnprptrvsk
              3. avg
                avg April 22 2020 17: 40 New
                11
                Do not lie. They live much better in Russia. Compare the statistics. Crimeans, when they returned to Russia, could not believe that there were syringes and medicines in hospitals, that they didn’t need to bring their own, that they didn’t have to pay for the operation. I even had to hang up posters everywhere. We were glad that no one is forcing the children to study on the mov, does not require to spit on their grandfathers, does not call for a mask to hang on a guy. How many d. Gardens are being built, schools of sports facilities are not even worth comparing. Factories have earned. A simple example - shipbuilders from Kerch and Feodosia went to work, and now they are additionally recruiting workers.
                1. Emphasis
                  Emphasis April 22 2020 20: 11 New
                  -4
                  From again came.
                  First you write about what Ukrainians are, and then you are offended that they do not like you here. First you seek, and then questions.
                  Again, the site is about weapons and the army, and you all about politics.
                  Actually, news about Ukraine causes more excitement than news about Russia.
                  As Viktor Fedorovich would say: “Stay on”!
                  In general, behave normally, respect other people and everything will be fine. And then it will be possible to talk about brotherhood
                  1. avg
                    avg April 22 2020 21: 15 New
                    +6
                    The fact what are the Ukrainians, I did not write, but now I will be forced to touch on this topic.
                    Offended by your dislike? Are you laughing or what? Why the hell do I need it?
                    You write this:So we are sincere on the drum of business in Russia, we have our own country and our own problems. So we have enough to do without you.
                    And with what fright you decided to teach me life:In general, behave normally, respect other people and everything will be fine. And then it will be possible to talk about brotherhood
                    I am behaving quite normally, but about brotherhood, I'm sorry, it is useless to talk about brotherhood with mankurts.
                    And finally, that the site is not about politics. so no one makes you write about politics. Although the site raises political issues.
                  2. siemens7774
                    siemens7774 April 22 2020 22: 18 New
                    +3
                    Accent. You and people like you. So you didn’t understand that Europe doesn’t need extra competitors. And only almost free skilled slaves. Respecting people like you is nonsense.
                2. D raft
                  D raft April 22 2020 20: 51 New
                  -1
                  In 2014 it was good ... a pension for two is 25K, a dollar of 30, Ukrainian prices .... Now 2020, a dollar of 75, a pension for two is also 25K ... the price of space ... "there is no money but you hold on" .. .
              4. phair
                phair April 23 2020 01: 29 New
                +3
                Accidentally was in Kiev in 2013, 4 days (how did the joke come across). Movu heard about 10 times. Absolutely Russian city. Was. The questions of the head waiter, "not a Jew? Not a Muscovite?" He lived on Mikhailovskaya 2, the windows overlooked the Maidan. Ukrainians are politicized too. The taxi driver who was taking me from Boryspil first of all asked how I felt about Timoshenko ... Yes, I faked her and all their politicians.
              5. 16329
                16329 April 24 2020 10: 35 New
                0
                Everywhere in Europe there is a different standard of living and even in the same country it differs very much depending on the region, so talking about the "European level" is somehow silly
                And in Ukraine, it will be as in Ukraine always, just the Ukrainian territory is part of Russia and will in any case be returned to the owner and soon enough by the standards of history
              6. Alexander Kashin
                Alexander Kashin April 29 2020 08: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Accent
                To begin with, I have been to Russia more than once, and not only in Moscow or St. Petersburg, so I can compare the real standard of living absolutely soundly. Moreover, he will say little different. We live, if you look sensibly and impartially, equally shitty.
                But I was also with my wife in fact in the vast majority of European countries, and I can tell you that they live in their majority much better. I mean ordinary people. Yes, of course, there are nuances that are caused more likely by a difference in mentality, which is why they hurt eyes. But globally, ordinary people live much better there.
                And people themselves want to live better than now, which is logical.
                Well, for example, a young Ukrainian guy goes to earn money in the same Poland and sees that they are, damn it, they live better and by itself the thought comes to mind: Why don't we live like that?
                We do not want to live either in Russia or in Europe, we want to live in Ukraine but with a European standard of living. This is the whole reason. And you say that we are direct Anti-Russia. So we are sincere on the drum of business in Russia, we have our own country and our own problems.

                So it’s like drumming things in Ukraine for me, just the trolls cling to and begin to learn how to live in Russia and that everything is bad with us, they even know it better than me, that it’s not very good with me and I already know which president to choose I probably can decide for yourself, you yourself chose your paroshenko and potion, so we will decide for ourselves whom we choose.
            2. antivirus
              antivirus April 22 2020 17: 34 New
              +4
              do not jam the Internet and think them - high with them Merkel educates and raises them to the stars
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 22 2020 16: 04 New
            +4
            Same as in 1945!
            It would be a war! And in the event of a breakup - Who wants to voluntarily join, please! Who doesn’t want, live peacefully, even in Ukraine, even in Zapadenshchina or whatever it is called, don’t touch us and ours (in the broad sense - memory, history, language, religion, etc., do not create a historical lie contrary to us), live at least neutral, do not become AntiRussia! This is all that is required of you. We DO NOT need new territories, especially with a non-loyal majority. But, you are not free, you are not sovereign and you DO NOT decide what you will do, what you do and what you did! It’s okay only that, but you are forced to be our enemies, you are forced to kill us in the broad sense, and you do it. Of course, we endure for a long time, but quickly harness, stop.
          3. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 09 New
            +8
            Quote: Accent
            The rest, including myself, do not want to live in Russia. What to do with such here as I thought you should have?

            Nobody intended to resettle you in Great Russia tongue
            You will live for yourself, in the Novorossiysk province ...
            1. antivirus
              antivirus April 22 2020 17: 38 New
              +1
              to resettle them in BiH to help the Slavs butting with Bosnians and Croats. stubborn need there. Armenians are better to cook barbecue in Nikolaev
          4. Svarog
            Svarog April 22 2020 16: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: Accent
            For me, it was an international crime

            A crime is when the Nazis walk around Kiev with torches, when they burn their children and kill their own citizens for not wanting to speak Ukrainian ..
            Also a crime is the destruction of secular ties between one people and its artificial division. You don’t want to be with Russia and your environment is the same, but my friend has a different picture, in his environment, when Crimea returned to its homeland, many would also like to Russia ..
          5. avg
            avg April 22 2020 17: 16 New
            14
            And here I am from Feodosia, where I didn’t want to live in Ukraine when, and where over 90% voted for reunification with Russia. So whose Crimea? Comparison with Austria is not correct, because This Austria was an empire, but not Germany. And at the first opportunity she left Germany. Just like the Crimea from Ukraine. But Crimea, one bald maize breeder (previously the first secretary of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR) presented to Ukraine, and now I’ll ask how Zhvanetsky - how do you like your present, don’t rub your thigh?
          6. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 22 2020 19: 09 New
            +8
            Quote: Accent
            Well look: I'm from the south of Ukraine. Of all my friends, I would like to live in Russia up to ten people, plus or minus. Mostly those with relatives from the Donbas. The rest, including myself, do not want to live in Russia. What to do with such here as I thought you should have? Hold a referendum? In Nikolayevshchina (about which I can speak with full confidence, and now I say so that they do not accuse me of not understanding what I am writing about) the results would be somewhere around 90 by 10, well, the ceiling is 80 by 20, although the first option is more realistic.
            And how would you solve the situation with us? To fight, to force, what options ???

            And I have different opinions and other figures wanting an alliance with Russia ... A shabby population, as you are, but there are fewer and much fewer than normal people! Basically, these are your local thieves and bribe takers, and the official thieving brethren .. But everyone who has minimal power and access to money is shoving godlessly! Bribes in schools, doctors, police, directors of schools and nursing homes, customs officers and border guards, raids and military commissaries, and so on and so forth .. When we threw all your thieves' rubbish out of Sevastopol and Crimea .. yours and ours cried from grief, they were afraid to take a chocolate bar as a token of gratitude ... Later they really got used to it, but they are still afraid to take and steal .. For a long time there will be a burp felt ... Lord save and carry from Ukraine with soap!
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 April 23 2020 04: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: 30 vis
              Obtuse population, as you are, but there are fewer and much fewer than normal people! Basically, these are your local thieves and bribe takers, and the official thieving brethren

              One such from Nikolaev is constantly lit in 60 minutes. I just get off it. To be so much a "stoned" collaborator who is constantly caught in lies I can't understand.
          7. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 55 New
            +3
            as donors of the kidneys, liver, and zemlyanki. well, both that and the other goes to the whole little land a little later - the process goes on and is visible to EVERYTHING. So only a donor.
          8. Qiman Kyrivo
            Qiman Kyrivo April 23 2020 18: 02 New
            +2
            Well, good luck to you. I would have severed all diplomatic and other relations with you at the president’s place.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 44 New
        +9
        Quote: Accent
        And many did not want to? What would be done with the unwilling?

        They will find themselves in the paradise for them of the European Union yes
      3. Far East
        Far East 1 May 2020 02: 47 New
        0
        This is OUR LAND! hi
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 43 New
      12
      Quote: Svarog
      And if Russia were not "half-dimensional"?

      In the West, Russia would border Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and it is likely that such a state as Moldova, voluntarily would become part of Russia ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 22 2020 15: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Svarog
        And if Russia were not "half-dimensional"?

        In the West, Russia would border Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and it is likely that such a state as Moldova, voluntarily would become part of Russia ...

        About that and speech hi
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 50 New
          10
          Quote: Svarog
          About that and speech

          That's why in Donbass they look at guide Russia, not just with condemnation, but with bewilderment as it were.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 22 2020 15: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Svarog
            About that and speech

            That's why in Donbass they look at guide Russia, not just with condemnation, but with bewilderment as it were.

            And how should they look after such a scam? At first, people were raised, and then they turned back ..
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 55 New
              10
              Quote: Svarog
              And how should they look after such a scam?

              Not "them", but me lol I'm from the DNI.
              Quote: Svarog
              First, the people raised

              Thanks for that.
              Quote: Svarog
              then handed back ..

              But ...
              "Kohl took up the tug, do not say that not a dozen", bring the matter to the end. And the end is the crown ...
              1. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 56 New
                +1
                I think time will tell. Already seen.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 22 2020 15: 51 New
      -11
      Quote: Svarog
      many Ukrainians wanted the same fate for themselves

      1. They told you this themselves, or
      2. you have reliable statistics, or
      3. Did you come up with this on the go?

      Quote: Svarog
      When Crimea returned to its home harbor ...

      ... a girl with whom we studied together called me from Ukraine and asked: "Why did you attack us?" Note - I did not ask, like, "but how would we, too", namely - "you attacked us".

      So where do the firewoods come from, Svarog? I guess the same from (3) laughing
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 22 2020 15: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        ... a girl with whom we studied together called me from Ukraine and asked: "Why did you attack us?"

        The girls call you and report info, but my childhood friend, who went there in the 90s, talks about the mood of Ukrainians.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 22 2020 16: 11 New
          -6
          Quote: Svarog
          Girls call you and report to you

          Be careful buddy wink

          Quote: Svarog
          and to me a childhood friend

          Yes, he already drew here ... two boots - a pair (s) yes
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 15: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        1. They told you this themselves, or
        2. you have reliable statistics, or
        3. Did you come up with this on the go?


        I told him that. Have questions, "let's go to base" yes
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 22 2020 16: 09 New
          -3
          Quote: Insurgent
          I told him that

          Ahhhhhh ... well, I guessed something like that.

          I have no more questions laughing
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 11 New
            +7
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I have no more questions

            Right, prudent yes "Forewarned is forearmed".
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 22 2020 16: 12 New
              -8
              Quote: Insurgent
              Forewarned is forearmed

              After all, you’ll come to an agreement ... calm down already yes
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 22 2020 16: 13 New
                +8
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                After all, you’ll come to an agreement ... calm down already

                Where to me, to the insatiable Jack ...
      3. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs April 22 2020 20: 57 New
        +3
        So it is necessary to answer, "ask the valtsman and his gang" why they bombed Luhansk and sent the army to kill?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 22 2020 21: 35 New
          -6
          Quote: Alex Nevs
          So you have to answer ...

          Before handing out the FEC, it is sometimes useful to delve into the topic. So, in the context - no matter what I answered, it is important who asked what.

          And so what do I tell my friends (unfortunately - already former) to answer, I’ll somehow figure it out myself. Without ensemble yes
  • 113262a
    113262a April 22 2020 15: 28 New
    +6
    And where did they go? Those same law-enforcement officers were old not to be taken prisoner. The reasons are sooooo good! And they knew about it! By August pilots wiser and flew ONLY in civilian life. For the same reason. And it was running THERE! .
  • Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 22 2020 16: 09 New
    11
    Watch is not nice. They hide their eyes, turn away, their faces are not happy, they remind Germans captured .....
    It, "held", came from Nikolaev to tell people in Donbass how they should live! Well, not a degenerate?
    It will not ask Putin for help! And who is the president of the Russian Federation? You are a miracle! What border did you jump to ask for help?
    Bad sediment in general remained from the scanned. Sometimes enrages this Russian kindness and loyalty! Dill over Russian would simply be mocked, and then killed if he himself did not die .... These are real ghouls! 6 years already torture and kill their people in their own Ukraine only because they are Russian-speaking and do not recognize different Bander and other mischief !!!!
    1. Magistr
      Magistr April 22 2020 16: 15 New
      -6
      Quote: Chingachguk
      Bad sediment in general remained from the scanned. Sometimes enrages this Russian kindness and loyalty!

      There’s nothing to be done, but we don’t really cherish our own, that's what’s interesting .. Well, okay hi
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  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 22 2020 16: 09 New
    +3
    The current government of Ukraine continues to give out white for black and vice versa ..
    After all, they didn’t admit that they sold and betrayed the country to be torn to pieces ... first of all, Western shit democracy ... themselves, of course, were not the losers ...
  • LKW UE
    LKW UE April 22 2020 16: 32 New
    +4
    Let me remind you that during the active phases of the fighting in Ukraine mobilization of military men was announced up to 6 times. For example, I bought it three times, for me all the inhabitants of Donbass are brothers and sisters and relatives live there too, they are all citizens of our common country of Ukraine! And I’m never going to kill my own, so that the criminal authorities do not invent it. Some went under duress, caught and sent. The second conviction is to defend Ukraine from invasion. The bulk of the population does not support the war and, as it seems to me, only because of this the APU has no chance in the war in the Donbass.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 22 2020 21: 02 New
      +1
      Duc for earnings 1000 UAH per day from the valtsman laughing Well, for the very tomatoes, he stuffed them laughing
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  • A ray of light
    A ray of light April 22 2020 19: 55 New
    0
    And why did they return it ???
  • Uve bjørnsson
    Uve bjørnsson April 23 2020 19: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Accent
    To begin with, I have been to Russia more than once, and not only in Moscow or St. Petersburg, so I can compare the real standard of living absolutely soundly. Moreover, he will say little different. We live, if you look sensibly and impartially, equally shitty.
    But I was also with my wife in fact in the vast majority of European countries, and I can tell you that they live in their majority much better. I mean ordinary people. Yes, of course, there are nuances that are caused more likely by a difference in mentality, which is why they hurt eyes. But globally, ordinary people live much better there.
    And people themselves want to live better than now, which is logical.
    Well, for example, a young Ukrainian guy goes to earn money in the same Poland and sees that they are, damn it, they live better and by itself the thought comes to mind: Why don't we live like that?
    We do not want to live either in Russia or in Europe, we want to live in Ukraine but with a European standard of living. This is the whole reason. And you say that we are direct Anti-Russia. So we are sincere on the drum of business in Russia, we have our own country and our own problems.

    And eat a fish and sit on a bump ...
    Familiar thoughts ...
    Why don't you live like that?
    Maybe we need fewer (ideally generally) "benefactors" from Europe and the Zaprud'e to listen, hang their ears, and do something with their own head?
    Once again, I won't get tired of repeating - look at the Baltics (I come from Latvia, already in the past), they just wanted to live like in Europe, the result is the total emigration of the most able-bodied and active population, who goes where, even to hell with the bald one ( I personally know that pretzels have moved to the Russian Federation and Belarus, and they don't even want to hear about the republics), if only not in this "paradise of the future."
    Yes, yes, I read rave reviews from tourists from the ex-USSR, writing in boiling water, how they had panicked right there on a former showcase of the Union, having visited Maximum in Riga in a couple of cafes and having walked around some sights of local culture.
  • Uve bjørnsson
    Uve bjørnsson April 23 2020 19: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: AllBiBek
    Well, work on your own, and not on earnings in Poland, is it business?

    Well, or once again pokamlaite with pots on your head that "Ukraine is already Europa", maybe this time it will work.

    After you killed Elderberry, you only have one adequate analyst of what is happening and where you are downloading. Andrew's name is Alias ​​Vajra.

    Read and listen at your leisure, the current is more accurate, you can get it for this.

    These characters have a crown otmaza, But now we can travel to Europe without a visa.
    The fact that in Europe they are needed only as a cheap slave force does not bother them.
    In more serious work, such ones are not needed from the word Absolutely, search for their specialists.
    And production, any, in Ukraine, Europeans like a bone in the throat, so good luck to buffoons, they will devour themselves.
    Like my Latvia, however ...
    1. Malibu
      Malibu April 23 2020 19: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Uve Bjørnsson
      These characters have a crown otmaza, But now we can travel to Europe without a visa.

      As far as I know, they weren’t provided with that in full ..
      Quote: Uve Bjørnsson
      The fact that in Europe they are needed only as a cheap slave force does not bother them.
      In more serious work, such ones are not needed from the word Absolutely, search for their specialists.

      Mostly in the fields and service staff ..and the attitude is appropriate ..
      After all, it was the Westerners who arranged the Maidan, winter and no work in Poland, and here the buses still pay and feed Kiev to smash the damned !!!
      Quote: Uve Bjørnsson
      And production, any, in Ukraine, Europeans like a bone in the throat, so good luck to buffoons, they will devour themselves.
      Like my Latvia, however ...

      They destroyed the competitors, this is the law of business (Belarus is next in line, but the Old Man is holding on) .. And now, this is Russophobia .. Until they pay a little, but if they drop it .. And then I do not know how too much evil came from them. .
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon April 23 2020 20: 12 New
    0
    Ukrainian civil war is a cool term ....
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 23 2020 20: 44 New
    -1
    Quote: Accent
    And people themselves want to live better than now, which is logical.
    Well, for example, a young Ukrainian guy goes to earn money in the same Poland and sees that they are, damn it, they live better and by itself the thought comes to mind: Why don't we live like that?

    Well, full of those whistling. I am a regular guest in Poland and not for a day or two, but for months - Ukrainians - like a Senegalese in Yemen - garbage, shit, fields, construction sites. Oh, yes, they also tax and steal. And about the south of Russia, he left for his native Siberia without regret, hopeless stupidity and greed, and, in particular, the natural hohlyatskaya envy simply killed. We are not driving the Ukrainians away from us - they are "grazing" in droves on our watch. sometimes they try to open their mouths about the fact that they dug up the black sea, and that Geradot and A. Macedonian are their fellow tribesmen. So they quickly close it with a glass of vodka and a textbook "History of the Ancient World". How right was S.Lavrov
  • Alexander Karp
    Alexander Karp April 24 2020 10: 19 New
    -1
    True rich. They say they say runaways. In other matters, here in the article one can see the politically illiterate compilation (in some places.) Of the article. First, not the militias need to write, but the illegal armed groups of the separatists. And so our reader of these militias can warm up in the heart remembering our militias of 1941.
  • Alexander Kashin
    Alexander Kashin April 29 2020 07: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    But the number of Ukrainian soldiers who decided to flee the Civil War in 2014 turned out to be considerable. And to hide this fact is impossible

    And if Russia were not "half-dimensional"? I'm afraid to imagine how many Ukrainians would vote with their hands and feet for unification with Russia .. When Crimea returned to its native harbor, many Ukrainians wished for the same fate.

    Well, it’s unlikely that they were already brainwashed very much, even now they claim that they crossed the border because they were bombarded with hail from the territory of the Russian Federation, where is the logic? Are they fired from the Russian Federation and go there? And right away, that they are fighting with Russia ,even now.
  • Alexander Kashin
    Alexander Kashin April 29 2020 08: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Accent
    To begin with, I have been to Russia more than once, and not only in Moscow or St. Petersburg, so I can compare the real standard of living absolutely soundly. Moreover, he will say little different. We live, if you look sensibly and impartially, equally shitty.
    But I was also with my wife in fact in the vast majority of European countries, and I can tell you that they live in their majority much better. I mean ordinary people. Yes, of course, there are nuances that are caused more likely by a difference in mentality, which is why they hurt eyes. But globally, ordinary people live much better there.
    And people themselves want to live better than now, which is logical.
    Well, for example, a young Ukrainian guy goes to earn money in the same Poland and sees that they are, damn it, they live better and by itself the thought comes to mind: Why don't we live like that?
    We do not want to live either in Russia or in Europe, we want to live in Ukraine but with a European standard of living. This is the whole reason. And you say that we are direct Anti-Russia. So we are sincere on the drum of business in Russia, we have our own country and our own problems.

    I was in Germany back in Soviet times, I served, and then the Germans lived better than we did in the USSR, and the rest, too, which was a shock to me then, why didn’t we live like that?