The third corvette of project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" was towed to Novorossiysk

The third patrol ship (corvette) of project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" was towed from Kerch to Novorossiysk. This was reported by the portal Korabli.eu with reference to the press service of the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Marine Service".

According to the report, the sea tugboat Mercury of the Azov-Black Sea branch of the FSBI Morspasluzhba at the shipyard of the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch took in towing a patrol ship (corvette) of project 22160 Pavel Derzhavin, after which it towed it from Kerch to Novorossiysk, where transferred to auxiliary vessels of the Black Sea fleet. The tow was normal.

"Mercury" took the tow of the corvette project 22160 with tail number 363 at the pier of the shipyard "Bay". Having successfully passed the arch of the Kerch bridge, the tug brought the ship to the Black Sea and delivered to the port area of ​​Novorossiysk

- said in a statement.

The patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is the third ship of project 22160 and the second serial in a series of five units. The construction contract was signed in 2014, the entire series is intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

This corvette is the first to be built at the Kerch Shipyard "Bay". Laid down on February 18, 2016, launched on February 21, 2019. The transfer of the ship to the customer is scheduled for this year.

The lead ship and the first serial “Vasily Bykov” and “Dmitry Rogachev” are already serving in the Black Sea Fleet.

Recall that the construction of the entire series of these ships was delayed due to import substitution of the power plant. All ships of the series, except for the lead Vasily Bykov, on which the German MAN diesel gear units are installed, will receive diesel gear units manufactured by the Kolomensky Zavod.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

We are optimistic about the next news.

[Bashkirkhan]

This is definitely not a corvette, but a patrolman. 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" has nothing to do with corvettes, it is a military-style yacht with a three-inch. Anti-aircraft, strike, anti-submarine weapons are missing.

[Igar]

Not a patrolman, but a guard. That is a corvette.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: IGAR

Not a patrolman, but a guard. That is a corvette.

For the corvette, he has a clear lack of weapons and detection equipment.
So pr. 22160 is the usual FSB-shny PSKR ordered by the commander-in-chief Chirkov for the Navy.
Air defense - no. PLO - only a helicopter. RCC - no. GAS - only anti-sabotage. No modules. Nose module - installation is not possible.
This boat was ordered for duty off the coast of Somalia, so as not to send ships of the 1st rank there and not to ruin their resources. He’s no longer good for anything. Moreover, the tasks voiced by the fleet of Project 22160 are for the most part not part of the competence of the Navy (these are the tasks of the FSB).

[Igar]

First, Project 22160 itself was designed as modular. This is the first ship of its kind in the Russian Navy ... It can also carry Caliber, if there is such a need ... Secondly, if there is no trust in my words, which is quite predictable, I suggest you listen to the General Director of the A. M. Gorky, where 22160 was built.



I’ll briefly explain: the helipad is expanding, and below it are launchers, which, when entered into combat mode, rise 90 degrees.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: IGAR

First, Project 22160 itself was designed as modular. This is the first ship of its kind in the Russian Navy ... It can also carry Caliber, if there is such a need ...

That's just these modules were not at the time the fleet adopted the first 22160, nor now. But no, I forgot - there is a diving module, the HAS module is being developed.
And secondly, on the 22160 ordered by the fleet, the largest and most convenient place for the module to be installed - the bow - is already occupied by domestic premises.

Quote: IGAR

Secondly, if there is no trust in my words, which is quite predictable, I suggest you listen to the general director of the Zelenodolsky plant named after A.M. Gorky, where 22160 was built.

Let's listen. The main theses are "can be armed", "can be installed". No modules are presented.
Moreover, the gender somehow circumvents the question that the founders of the concept Modular change ships it has long been abandoned - all modular ships built go with a constant composition of modules.

Journalists generally burn napalm:
1:39 - what is the protection of territorial waters ?! This is the task of the FSB, the fleet has nothing to do with it. What are the strike actions if there are no strike weapons?
4:15 - we are told about the armament of the 57-mm AU patrolman, showing the typical AK-176 mounted on it.

[Igar]

With all due respect to you, the CEO of the arbitrage factory is a much more authoritative source for me than some VO user. Yes, it's just funny ... All the best.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: IGAR

With all due respect to you, the CEO of the arbitrage factory is a much more authoritative source for me than some VO user.

Oh yes ... a person whose income depends on the sales of these 22160 is undoubtedly the most honest and objective source of information.
This is the same as talking about smoking safety, based on the speeches of the directorate of tobacco companies.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Alexey RA

a person whose income depends on the sales of these 22160 is undoubtedly the most honest and objective source of information.

And his eyes are so honest, honest ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Quote: Alexey RA

a person whose income depends on the sales of these 22160 is undoubtedly the most honest and objective source of information.

And his eyes are so honest, honest ...

Well, still ... push your outdated and crooked G, distributing millions of dollars in bribes to all those responsible for making decisions in his favor.
Moreover, he gave bribes from black cash, which was formed by the entire enterprise he managed ..
not with personal money.

[TermNachTer]

Big problem to put the missing? Now all over the world, ships are being built on a modular system. The box is for rent, and the necessary volumes in the hull and the reserve of the power plant are reserved for armament. At any moment, the box is put into the factory and in a couple of weeks they mount exactly what is needed now, and three years ago.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: TermNachTER

Big problem to put the missing? Now all over the world, ships are being built on a modular system. The box is for rent, and the necessary volumes in the hull and the reserve of the power plant are reserved for armament. At any moment, the box is put into the factory and in a couple of weeks they mount exactly what is needed now, and three years ago.

Yeah ... in the presence of these modules.
That's just not in the orders of the Defense Ministry, nor in the reports of enterprises of combat modules for 22160. There is only a diving module and a HAS module (under development).

[volodimer]

Alexey, your skeptical approach is understandable. But the lack of accepted modules is not a fact that they will not be created ... Of course, it is better to create a ship-capable immediately than a carrier ship of modules ... But we are now in a situation that we can build what we can ... and not quite what you need, But if we can, then equip it, it's good ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: volodimer

But now we are in a situation such that we can build what we can ... and not quite what we need,

So the problem is that instead of 22160 can and should was to build the same PLO corvette for which there was everything. The decision to order and build exactly 22160 was determined not by industry opportunities, but by the desire of the commander-in-chief Chirkov.

[volodimer]

It’s possible that your approach is more correct than Chirkov’s,
But not You - We define the concept of shipbuilding. It is hoped that the commander-in-chief was determined not only by his own Wishlist, but also with a view to the future, when the constructed ships can be equipped with modules that are not yet in the iron.
Otherwise, we have, in the current situation ... oh! we have at least something

[TermNachTer]

And what is he - tomorrow in battle? Is there a worthy adversary for the Black Sea Fleet on the Black Sea? Who are you hinting at - Romanian or maybe banderlog?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: TermNachTER

And what is he - tomorrow in battle? Is there a worthy adversary for the Black Sea Fleet on the Black Sea? Who are you hinting at - Romanian or maybe banderlog?

Turks excel in all respects.
All the Mediterranean countries of NATO will come to the aid of the Turks.
Or will you be again about the unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea?

If the mess goes, they will gouge half the Crimea, and there will be not one base and no strip on the unsinkable aircraft carrier.

[TermNachTer]

Do not tell my slippers after Erdogan spat out with everyone who will help him? Did your NATA Italy help a lot? Greece is the first to put a knife in the back of the Turks. Erdogan, thanks to his clever policy, has two, situational allies - Russia and Israel. But Israel is such a friend that enemies are already needed.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: TermNachTER

Do not tell my slippers after Erdogan spat out with everyone who will help him? Did your NATA Italy help a lot? Greece is the first to put a knife in the back of the Turks. Erdogan, thanks to his clever policy, has two, situational allies - Russia and Israel. But Israel is such a friend that enemies are already needed.

do not read Russian newspapers before going to bed ...

[TermNachTer]

I live in Ukraine, therefore it is difficult for me to read Russian newspapers. I look at everything from the side.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: TermNachTER

And what is he - tomorrow in battle?

Fight him today. Our OVR has died, we urgently need to replace the "Albatrosses" built in Soviet times with something - and 22160 is suitable for solving PLO tasks approximately as "Herluf Bidstrup".

Quote: TermNachTER

Is there a worthy adversary for the Black Sea Fleet on the Black Sea?

To the best sworn friends of the Russian Federation, with whom we are now conducting a proxy war in Syria.

[ZIS]

And the wiki for Caliber and Uranus says in containers ... And although there are no modules yet ... But they will be.

[rocket757]

People work, that’s good.
We will see what development strategy has been outlined and will be implemented.
To be a fleet, and this is the most important thing.

[Doccor18]

Still, the marine guard in the Far East would be equipped with such ships.

[rocket757]

And what is being built there on the Far East? The conditions of navigation there are different, it is a fact, a zone of complete freezing of a wide water area, and it is not close to the coast! The ports are freezing ... if it is similar for orphans, then with its own specifics.

[Doccor18]

Yes, there would be project 22100 "Ocean" at the right time. Pieces 6-8 at least ...

[rocket757]

Shipyards are expanding there, are Ali only engaged in commercial construction?

[Grits]

Quote: rocket757

And what is being built there on the Far East?

Almost nothing. At the Eastern shipyard, every little thing and at the Amur shipbuilding corvette can hardly be pulled. Until Zvezda is rebuilt, it is very naive to take into account the shipbuilding industry in the Far East.

[rocket757]

It’s sad. But is construction underway?
A distant land, and raking hands there are not childish!
What would it be there who, like a comrade in pince-nez, didn’t hurt to put it? Ali like a bad option?

[Grits]

Quote: rocket757

Well, it wouldn’t hurt anyone there, like a comrade in pince-nez, to put

Recently, something has not been appearing in our pince-nez comrades. Yes, and we do not really like them.

[rocket757]

Quote: Gritsa

. Yes, and not very much we love them

It is naive to expect that those who are accustomed to uncontrollably finish their affairs will very much form the appearance of such a comrade with a specific reputation! They could just be scared !!! But this state does not require such workers!
Sad fact, by the way.

[TermNachTer]

Yes, it pleases - the plant is working. When Banderland "lay", without any prospects.

[rocket757]

I understand that you are talking about the plant in Kerch?
Well, I was interested in how things were in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
Schaub must everywhere everything worked as it should.

[TermNachTer]

I live in Ukraine, Kerch is closer to me. I am glad that the plant is working and people have work. I wish the inhabitants of the Far East the same.

[rocket757]

I have relatives in Nikolaev and what happened to them does not make me happy at all. Why was it destroying their country, which inherited so much of everything in common ??? I do not understand.

[TermNachTer]

I have a godfather in the Lower, I also do not understand.

[rocket757]

It is obvious that you need to deal with your housing, being and not teach your neighbor how to live.
But the man is so arranged that we don’t like to notice our vices, but to point out the strangers is mandatory.

[Amateur]

This corvette is the first to be built on Kerch Shipyard "Zaliv".

HOORAY! The plant has earned!

[alone]

I wonder why German MAN diesel engines were needed, if they could have done the same in Kolomna?

[bk316]

if the same could produce in Kolomna?

I understand that then they could not ......

[alone]

You can simply compare how much the MAN and Kolomenskiye units cost ...
And for how much they were drawn up ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lonely

You can simply compare how much the MAN and Kolomenskiye units cost ...
And for how much they were drawn up ..

It is better to compare - how many times longer it took Kolomna diesel engines on "Guarding" to be brought to mind than MAN diesels. Oh, it won't work - you can't divide by zero.
It was on the basis of the results of operation and the factory sluggish refinement of the power plant "Steregushchy" (the fleet was adopted in 2008, the last fire of the power plant - 2015) and it was decided to install MAN.

[Motorist]

Oh, it won’t work - you can’t divide by zero.

Alex, sarcasm counted! However, do not overestimate the medium-speed MAN. Those engines with which I dealt are also not a gift. And the prices for spare parts - as for the ISS ...

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: bk316

I understand that then they could not ......

judging by the speed of construction of the series and now they can’t really ((

[Dart2027]

Quote: lonely

if the same could produce in Kolomna

After both diesel engines broke down on "Guarding" twice, the fleet had concerns that it was worth contacting such a manufacturer.

[Thrifty]

That is, it without engines, just pulled in tow?

[next322]

IT with engines and has already passed mooring tests .....

[Keeping]

Abramovich has a larger yacht, and indeed is armed more seriously ...

[Keeping]

This watchman is cool to drive Ukrainian tugboats near the bridge, the main thing is not to do bulk ...

[Sky strike fighter]

It is better to use the Ka-52 with tactical anti-ship missiles (X-25, X-29, X-38) for these tasks. Helicopters are much more mobile and faster against the same Ukrainian boats.

[donavi49]

What for? Rather, it’s not at all cool. He is generally not adapted for this in general.

1) Percussion instruments. You can shoot at Ukrainian tugboats for ostrac of small arms and MTPU with cord or KPVT one on board. Shooting from 76mm guns is already a different level of collision and risk, this requires additional permissions along the entire chain almost from Putin.

2) Driveability. He has a marine corps. Maneuverability on the patch, jerky segments are not his horse. And after replacing the power at him, the maximum speed fell to 24,7-25 knots. Gyurza or a centaur will run away from him.

3) All those expenses, design solutions for this task are simply not needed. No need a helicopter. Do not need autonomy for 60 days. Good conditions even for European crews are not needed (so that he can work in DMZ normally for 4-6 months with minimal calls to ports for rest). No solutions for body contours are needed. Even the GEM was chosen incorrectly for such a task.

The best tool for resolving issues on countering the mosquito fleet at their bases and bridge is Fireflies, since they are being built again. Fast, maneuverable, dynamic and armed enough for the point stop of violators.

[soul]

Fireflies, the good they build again

Well, if so. The extreme truth was surrendered in 2018, I can not hear about new bookmarks. Maybe they just don’t light?

[Marconi41]

Quote: donavi49

What for? Rather, it’s not at all cool. He is generally not adapted for this in general.

1) Percussion instruments. You can shoot at Ukrainian tugboats for ostrac of small arms and MTPU with cord or KPVT one on board. Shooting from 76mm guns is already a different level of collision and risk, this requires additional permissions along the entire chain almost from Putin.

2) Driveability. He has a marine corps. Maneuverability on the patch, jerky segments are not his horse. And after replacing the power at him, the maximum speed fell to 24,7-25 knots. Gyurza or a centaur will run away from him.

3) All those expenses, design solutions for this task are simply not needed. No need a helicopter. Do not need autonomy for 60 days. Good conditions even for European crews are not needed (so that he can work in DMZ normally for 4-6 months with minimal calls to ports for rest). No solutions for body contours are needed. Even the GEM was chosen incorrectly for such a task.

The best tool for resolving issues on countering the mosquito fleet at their bases and bridge is Fireflies, since they are being built again. Fast, maneuverable, dynamic and armed enough for the point stop of violators.

Well, the border guards use them, and this ship belongs to the Navy.

[donavi49]

Yes. But the duty MRK or MPK from Kerch will be able to solve the problem even better. And on fire and running gear.

Ships 22160 were originally made to unload rank 1 BNK from all kinds of patrol-anti-piracy tasks in the far zone. In order not to send BOD from the Pacific Ocean for half a year - knocking out a resource and losing a unit, but to solve this problem, a cheap but sufficient ship for this task, with a small crew. Cheap and efficient.

Using these ships at the Bridge or in the incident / training zone west of Crimea is not very rational.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: donavi49

Ships 22160 were originally made to unload rank 1 BNK from all kinds of patrol-anti-piracy tasks in the far zone.

Judging by the set of tasks originally voiced by the plant, 22160 was originally the usual PSKR. Which was then added patrol and anti-piracy tasks in the far zone, after which the commander-in-chief of the Navy ordered him instead of the new PLO corvette.
And now the same Navy is tearing hair on all parts of the body and is trying to revive the Albatrosses, which for the most part still remember Gorby.

[Marconi41]

Quote: donavi49

Using these ships at the Bridge or in the incident / training zone west of Crimea is not very rational.

Even just his presence in the area of ​​the bridge or offshore platforms in the Black Sea will cool the fervor of any Ukrainian boat commander. In addition, there are still tasks to resolve the pirate issue, which also have not gone away.

[donavi49]

Rather, the opposite. This is a potential Hero of Ukraine both for rewarding from the hands of the President and for media.

Again, the thread Svetlyak and PSKR of the tow-type type will really cool the fervor. Pressure 745 of the project.

Since for the border incident, resolved by the Border Service - the cherished medal from the hands of the president is not a fact that they will give. But rather they won’t.

If at all, then again, what is the worse these gain ships, which are rotationally based in Kerch?

There are always 1-2 units of MPK / RCA / MRK at hand. Anyone better at the issue of strengthening the coast guard's strength than 22160.

Again, to constantly monitor the actions of partners in the Mediterranean Sea, the task for 22160 is more optimal and rational. For even though they can’t do anything, they indicate presence, they conduct some kind of observation. At the same time, cheap, under the conditions under which they were designed and distracted by scarce warships.

[Marconi41]

Quote: donavi49

745 projects.

That's for sure. But (I think) you didn’t read my post completely

[VVK]

Performance characteristics and weapons are quite satisfactory. The news is definitely great.

[Grits]

The ship is in combat capabilities, of course ... so-so ... But our sailors are happy about that too. They are not counting on the best in the coming years.

[ccsr]

"Mercury" took the tow of the corvette project 22160 with tail number 363 at the pier of the shipyard "Bay". Having successfully passed the arch of the Kerch bridge, the tug brought the ship to the Black Sea and delivered to the port area of ​​Novorossiysk

This cannot be, because the towed vessel did not pass through the arch of the bridge - the Zaliv plant is located in the southern part of the Kerch Strait and has a direct exit to the Black Sea from it. The plant was built in such a way that the built large-capacity vessels were not connected in any way with the Kerch Strait due to the depth of the fairway.
It is puzzling why the full-time crew did not arrive at the factory in advance to receive the ship and had already left for Novorossiysk on their own.

[next322]

about the passage under the bridge is nonsense zhurnalyug .... indeed the plant is located south of the bridge and has direct access to the sea ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ccsr

It is puzzling why the full-time crew did not arrive at the factory in advance to receive the ship and had already left for Novorossiysk on their own.

They write that the ship was towed to Novorossiysk at the beginning of April - to carry out the ZHI.

According to reports, in early April 2020, a patrol ship of project 22160 Pavel Derzhavin (serial number 163), which was completed at the Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC in Kerch, was towed from there to Novorossiysk, where he embarked on a factory sea trial program. This is the third patrol ship of project 22160, and the first Kerch built.

And that for the Black Sea 22160 towing to Novorossiysk for the ZHI is a standard procedure.

"Vasily Bykov" was launched on August 28, 2017, and on November 8, 2017 was towed to the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch for completion and retrofitting. Upon completion of work, on March 25, 2018, Vasily Bykov was towed from Kerch to Novorossiysk, where he began factory sea trials on May 8, 2018., and upon completion of the State tests was transferred to the Black Sea Fleet on December 20, 2018.
The second patrol ship in the series (and the first under a contract of October 2014) Dmitry Rogachev (serial number 162) was laid down in Zelenodolsk on July 25, 2014, launched there at the end of 2017, and in August 2018, towed to Novorossiysk, where in September 2018 he began factory sea trials. The ship was commissioned by the Russian Navy on June 11, 2019.

[next322]

generally towing from the factory is a standard procedure for all shipyards ....... in exactly the same way karakurts were towed from pella to palm

[regdan]

That already rotted so without having time to swim ...

[reader65]

All ships built under Putin go only in tow or in tow.