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Military doctors will begin to help civilians

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Part of the civilian population will receive the right to seek help from military doctors. We are talking about persons related to the army or law enforcement agencies.


This is stated in the draft order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, published on the official website of the draft state regulatory legal acts.

Previously, military doctors had the right to provide medical care only to military personnel. Now, retired officers with at least 20 years of service, family members of officers, and also relatives of military personnel who have lost the bread-winner will be able to apply to military medical units. In addition, by agreement, employees of the Ministry of Emergencies, the FSB, the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies will be able to contact military medical institutions.

A civilian will be able to seek medical help from the military if this locality does not have other medical facilities.

In case of emergency, military doctors will provide emergency assistance to anyone who needs it, regardless of whether they are military personnel or civilians.

Presumably, the entry into force of this order of the Minister of Defense will occur in July this year.
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  1. Malyuta
    Malyuta April 21 2020 12: 28 New
    +8
    Part of the civilian population will get the right to seek help from military doctors. We are talking about persons related to the army or law enforcement agencies.

    It is curious to know what such "part" of the population will generously receive right seek help from military doctors. Who will define this "part"? And who or what can give "the right" if the Constitution speaks of equal rights.
    I thought it was a sinful thing that the army and the people are one, and it turns out that this unity also remained in our glorious socialist past. Among equals there are other equals, more equal than the previous ones, and military doctors can provide assistance on the orders of the Minister of Defense, who apparently also forgot that he is in the service of the people. Or is it not so?
    I don’t understand, did they write such garbage with their foot or are these the same lawyers-economists, market managers, theoreticians?
    1. WIKI
      WIKI April 21 2020 12: 38 New
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      Quote: Malyuta
      It is curious to know which such "part" of the population will generously have the right to seek help from military doctors.

      Why is there such a differentiation between our citizens and Italian citizens? There, our military doctors help everyone. Not for nothing that Soloviev has a residence permit in Italy. He knows that his homeland will take care of him abroad as well.
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 21 2020 12: 39 New
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      The publication says: “Now retired officers with at least 20 years of service, family members of officers, as well as relatives of servicemen who have lost their breadwinner will be able to apply to military medical units to provide assistance. In addition, by agreement, military medical institutions employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSB, the National Guard and other law enforcement agencies will be able to apply. "
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 21 2020 12: 44 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        retired officers will be able to contact military medical units, having a length of service of at least 20 years

        That is, it turns out that those who have a length of service of 19 years and less can easily die?
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn April 21 2020 16: 08 New
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          To date, all these categories already enjoy the right to free medical care in medical institutions of the Moscow Region. (Provisions on the provision of medical services are considered by Order of the Ministry of Defense No. 20 of January 16, 2006). Perhaps we are talking about the length of service of 20 years, not to calendar, but to preferential calculation. Then yes, innovation
          .. "In addition, by agreement, employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSB, the National Guard and other law enforcement agencies will be able to contact military medical institutions." ... Valid now request
          .. "A civilian will be able to apply for medical assistance to the military if the given locality does not have other medical institutions" ... It is still in effect. request
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 21 2020 14: 40 New
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      Quote: Malyuta
      Curious to know what kind of "part" of the population

      Didn’t you have enough strength to finish?
      Now, retired officers with at least 20 years of service, family members of officers, and also relatives of military personnel who have lost their bread-winner will be able to apply to military medical units.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 21 2020 15: 31 New
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        Quote: Piramidon


        Quote: Piramidon
        Didn’t you have enough strength to finish?

        I read! Now I understand that the civilian population of Italy is in a more privileged position relative to the citizens of the Russian Federation.
        Entire expeditions are sent to the Italians, and here we are solely on the orders of a multimedia medal-bearing minister, and even then he was going to render assistance not to all those in need, but to certain categories of citizens.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 21 2020 12: 33 New
    +3

    Previously, military doctors had the right to provide medical care only to military personnel.
    That's right. Civilians have always "dreamed" of getting to military hospitals, and other med. structures subordinate to MO. Such institutions employ first-class doctors - surgeons, therapists and other medical professionals. And it was considered prestigious to get treatment in these institutions.
    1. loki565
      loki565 April 21 2020 12: 52 New
      +1
      Well, it’s doubtful, there was a saying in vain: fear the three explosives: military doctors, military drivers and explosives)))
  3. Digital error
    Digital error April 21 2020 12: 36 New
    +2
    Good news. Still, RKhBZ somehow "wider" in the fight against the epidemic to use - that radiation, that viruses "airborne" spread.
  4. olegfbi
    olegfbi April 21 2020 12: 39 New
    +6
    Now, retired officers with at least 20 years of service, family members of officers, and also relatives of military personnel who have lost their bread-winner will be able to apply to military medical units. In addition, by agreement, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSB, the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies will be able to contact military medical institutions.

    And where is the new?
    All these people now have the right to treatment in the MO system.
    For example, I was waiting for permission to be treated, for example, to the civilian medical staff of medical institutions in the Moscow Region. And now the Doctor, working in the Hospital, is following the sick leave or God forbid for inpatient treatment in the municipal hospital ... Well, what kind of nonsense?
  5. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 21 2020 12: 39 New
    -1
    Bravo, Military doctors study subjects that are not taught to civilian physicians.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 21 2020 13: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      which are not taught to civilian physicians.

      eg...
      In 1983, a sailor was brought to the Yevpatoriya city hospital, who was trying to sut a perforated ulcer in the base infirmary of the Crimean Navy. They darned his stomach, took him out of anesthesia and took him to the civil hospital to finish it.
      One sailor after falling from Jeyran straight into the city hospital could not be helped with head injury and fractures of the limbs.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 21 2020 13: 18 New
        -1
        Military doctors study the physiology of military labor, the physiology of flight medicine, scuba diving, military toxicology, and so on.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 21 2020 13: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Gennady Fomkin
          Military doctors study the physiology of military labor, the physiology of flight medicine, scuba diving, military toxicology, and so on.

          and how relevant is it at this time and with coronovirus? By the way, I studied all this. In everyday life, this is not relevant.
  6. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 21 2020 12: 40 New
    +2
    A civilian will be able to seek medical help from the military if this locality does not have other medical facilities.

    But in Soviet times it was so, if there is no civilian hospital in the garrison, where can people be treated.? If such access of the civilian population was canceled, then it turns out that the coronavirus itself helped people.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 21 2020 12: 44 New
    +4
    Soviet slogan - "The people and the army are one!" still relevant today. The army helps in natural disasters, natural disasters, and this assistance often plays a decisive role.
    if this locality does not have other medical facilities
    And in Soviet times, in emergency cases (far away, lacking the necessary equipment ...), military doctors provided assistance to civilians. Now it’s just officially legalized.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 21 2020 12: 49 New
    0
    the entry into force of this order of the Minister of Defense will occur in July this year.
    that is, the virus is planned for another six months!
    1. ximkim
      ximkim April 21 2020 13: 06 New
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      Even in May, it will definitely be. I think so, and there are prerequisites hi
  9. APASUS
    APASUS April 21 2020 12: 57 New
    +2
    The military has a prefabricated medical building, buildings erected in the hours. But while we see the Lenexpo pavilions, they are going to remodel to the hospital. What is the help? In that, the retired will be treated in military hospitals, so they are treated there
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 21 2020 13: 09 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      What is the help? In that retired people will go to military hospitals for treatment, so they are treated there anyway

      And this is not help — it is a PR major and a former party worker, the son of a party worker who suddenly forgot about his party affiliation, pro-slavish youth and never served in the army.
  10. ximkim
    ximkim April 21 2020 13: 03 New
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    Patrol guards walk with the military, a military medic enters the patrol. (Walk around the city) Krasnoyarsk.
  11. New Year day
    New Year day April 21 2020 13: 08 New
    +4
    the entry into force of this order of the Minister of Defense will occur in July this year.

    weird! The epidemic is ALREADY, and in the help, in 3 months!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 21 2020 13: 21 New
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      The epidemic is ALREADY, and in the help, in 3 months!
      They hinted that it would be advisable to extend the epidemic until September, and there the second wave will cover.
      And look, what a profitable business for officials, write any fines ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 21 2020 13: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Gardamir
        They hinted that it would be advisable to extend the epidemic until September, and there the second wave will cover.

        the first wave has not yet reached a peak, but are we waiting for the second? laughing So you can live up to the New Year ... if you have enough money
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada April 21 2020 16: 32 New
          -1
          Sylvester hi Today I have a "conspiracy" version about the crown wassat Today, just from the doctors who went into deep "self-isolation" on orders, they ended up hanging in uncertainty with their asthenic syndrome after diarrhea from ARVI and complications in the form of bronchitis ...
          There is a theory - the management decided to re-strike everyone with a virus modification with mild symptoms in a natural way, rigidly cutting off the variant with a severe course. So to speak, to help the natural evolution of the virus, which was the case with the Spaniard, now it is a common flu ...
          This is a very different course of the coronovirus infection, or the virus is superintelligent, which is unlikely, or there are already a lot of mutations ... It arose looking at what was happening around ... Although there was a second option from the series - they wanted the best , it turned out as always, that is, an unintended course of events request I would like to hear your opinion ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 21 2020 16: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Demon_is_ada
            "conspiracy" version about the crown

            where he came from now can only guess.
            Quote: Demon_is_ada
            the management decided to re-strike everyone by modifying the virus with mild symptoms in a natural way, rigidly cutting off the variant with a severe course.

            everything is much simpler. As you know, the Ministry of Health has officially rejected laboratory diagnostics in the form in which they are, when diagnosing and in one room he dumped patients with coronavirus and ... banal pneumonia. As a result, the one who did not have it will receive. It's like with passes on the subway on April 15th. All from dullness and poverty.
            Quote: Demon_is_ada
            very different course of coronovirus infection

            and pneumonia flows differently. I treated my 2 pneumonia at one time at home. And now everyone to the hospital bed. There are few specialists left
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 21 2020 13: 25 New
        +9
        Quote: Gardamir
        And look, what a profitable business for officials, write any fines ...

        There are two more daughters of one senior citizen who have already tied up to deliver tests for the crown. The diagrams are both confusing and transparent, the information world, however.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 21 2020 14: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Silvestr
      the entry into force of this order of the Minister of Defense will occur in July this year.

      weird! The epidemic is ALREADY, and in the help, in 3 months!

      Until the military doctors return from Serbia, Italy ... just three months will pass.
  12. Strategist
    Strategist April 21 2020 13: 26 New
    +2
    The article is somehow strange ... at least twenty years ago it was when he served in Kansk .... the civilian population of our town could safely turn to a military hospital for help ....
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 21 2020 14: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Strategist
      The article is somehow strange ... at least twenty years ago it was when he served in Kansk .... the civilian population of our town could safely turn to a military hospital for help ....

      I even have a stamp on this topic in my pension certificate.
  13. iouris
    iouris April 21 2020 13: 33 New
    -1
    I don't understand anything! After all, they wrote that "Serdyukov destroyed military medicine."
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 21 2020 13: 35 New
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    Quote: sanik2020
    A civilian will be able to seek medical help from the military if this locality does not have other medical facilities.

    But in Soviet times it was so, if there is no civilian hospital in the garrison, where can people be treated.? If such access of the civilian population was canceled, then it turns out that the coronavirus itself helped people.

    But for some reason, the efforts of military doctors in Russia are not very noticeable. They are in the background. We have headquarters for the fight against the crown, which are ruled by civilians. How they rule, this is another question, good or bad. But the fact is that civilian doctors and civilian bureaucracy are simply not ready for such a situation as they are now. And the military doctors are ready. They are trained in advance. Rather, they trained once. Take out Soviet plans to counter the global epidemic from the archive and engage the army and military doctors more than now. Perhaps if the military would be given a carte blanche to fight the epidemic, they would have done it!
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 21 2020 13: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Military doctors study the physiology of military labor, the physiology of flight medicine, scuba diving, military toxicology, and so on.

    and how relevant is it at this time and with coronovirus? By the way, I studied all this. In everyday life, this is not relevant.

    They have Microbiology Specialists
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 21 2020 19: 24 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      They have Microbiology Specialists

      but are they not in civilian life?
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 22 2020 03: 13 New
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        No good
  16. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 21 2020 14: 18 New
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    If the situation does not improve, you have to enter the emergency mode .... as if not to be late ...
  17. georggy
    georggy April 21 2020 14: 45 New
    0
    Let the optimizers of medicine go to help civilians, led by the Goliak
  18. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 21 2020 15: 19 New
    -1
    "In case of emergencies, military medics will provide emergency assistance to anyone who needs it, regardless of whether it is military personnel or civilians."

    They - her emergency, always provided, despite the laws, charters, and so on. The doctor has one law - an oath that he will give all his strength to save people's health.
  19. huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 21 2020 16: 18 New
    0
    In Kaliningrad, a military pensioner from a coronovirus 70 years old died in a hospital. The medical staff was not provided with protective equipment. Moreover, he was also allowed to go home. Now families are checking for the virus. A friend worked there, now they treat her in a civilian infection. In the country there are a lot of frightened id ... There was an opinion that military doctors need help)))
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 21 2020 19: 27 New
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      Quote: huntsman650
      There was an opinion that military doctors need help)))

      to all doctors. Today, a doctor from the 3rd hospital of war invalids died in Kommunarka, who became infected while receiving patients. He was only 56 years old - Old Maxim
  20. Uruguay
    Uruguay April 21 2020 16: 41 New
    -1
    Part of the civilian population will receive the right to seek help from military doctors. We are talking about persons related to the army or law enforcement agencies.

    Something the military doctors were paid .. Recently, in the southern Urals, the town was completely quarantined, there are a lot of suspicious military men there ..