The deadlines for the return of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser "Moscow"

The deadlines for the return of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser "Moscow"

ФлР° РіРјР ° РЅ Черноморского fleet - the Nakhimov Guards Order missile cruiser "Moscow" will return to the fleet by May 9. This was reported by "Izvestia" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.


According to the interlocutors of the publication, it was previously assumed that the ship would go out of repair in the second quarter, most likely in the middle or end of May 2020, but the deadlines were postponed to the beginning of the month. At present, the cruiser repair is almost completed, marching readiness is restored. The main attention during the repair is paid to the repair of gas turbine generators, gearboxes, fuel equipment, gas ducts of marching gas turbine engines and other elements of the power plant. The service life of the ship is extended to 2030.

It is also reported that the modernization of the cruiser was not carried out due to lack of funds for this. At the same time, it is noted that in the future, the modernization and extension of the life of the “Moscow” may be inappropriate, since by 2030 the cruiser will be 47 years old.

“Moscow” has not gone to sea since 2016 in connection with the repair, the first voyage after the completion of the first stage of the repair took place on June 5, 2019.

The cruiser "Moscow" was laid on the stocks of the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant named after the 61 communard in the 1976 year as the Slava missile cruiser, is the leading missile in the series of missile cruisers. Launched 27 July 1979 g., Was put into operation in 1983 year. Displacement - 11380 tons. It is equipped with 16 launchers of Vulkan missiles, artillery, air defense systems, torpedo tubes and depth-fire bombs.

The last time the cruiser was at sea from September 2015 of the year to January 2016 of the year in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea for air defense from the sea direction of the Russian Hmeimim airbase in Syria.
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2020 09: 24 New
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    It is sad that my suspicions are confirmed. So I thought that he would be “podrihtat” without modernization and written off by 2030
    1. kjhg April 16 2020 09: 37 New
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      Apparently, the modernization of Ustinov showed that the game is not worth the candle. Most likely, the Varangian will do the same as with Moscow. And Peter the Great is unlikely to be modernized like Admiral Nakhimov. It's just VERY expensive. Instead, they will build a new frigate of project 22350M. At least the voiced plans of the Navy speak of this.
      1. Ross xnumx April 16 2020 10: 05 New
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        Quote: kjhg
        Most likely, the Varangian will do the same as with Moscow.

        Look, listen to these naval naval shipbuilders ... It would be better if they did the same with Moscow as they did with "Moscow" ...
        Why do we need sewing machines? It’s easier on hand ...
        It is also reported that the modernization of the cruiser was not carried out due to lack of funds for this.

        They completely messed up the shores ... They sent gold to GB, 22 billion requests ... they looked because of falling oil prices ... They don’t have enough money ... Have you eaten a lot of ears, gentlemen?
        1. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 11: 08 New
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          where is the gold sent ????
          1. boss April 16 2020 11: 55 New
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            More than 10 tons in complete silence have been taken to Brittany, to her, for someone beloved, lately ...
            They want to gilt the spiers of churches and cathedrals by Easter.
            Our tourists will come M and C to watch, times, and FSE in gold)
            1. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 11: 59 New
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              and where is it written that they are being exported?
              1. boss April 16 2020 12: 26 New
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                Do not be lazy, but hammer in the address bar.
                Since 18, the export of gold to England has increased 8 times!
                And that’s just there so much!
                Oh, excuse me, troshy opshysya-119 !!! tons in 19g, at least 3x in 20m.
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/economics/28/02/2020/5e57904a9a79479d2346177a
                More questions?
                Throw off the blinkers
                1. Peter is not the first April 16 2020 12: 33 New
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                  You can throw off the curtains, but gold is also a commodity and it’s not bad that part of the gold mined in Russia was sold abroad for foreign currency. It is impossible, and it is not necessary to redeem all mined gold from gold miners and store in storage.
                  1. boss April 16 2020 12: 45 New
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                    Seriously?
                    Gold is a strategic reserve for which any product can be purchased at any time.
                    Do you need to store gold? Kanesh is better to change it into pieces of paper and partners' obligations) Strange, yes, and why do these stupid people in the USA and England increase their gold reserves? So we fooled them, changed them to pieces of paper, right?
                    And so, there’s a discussion about the fact that deep modernization of ships is not carried out, it’s so expensive, it’s pointless, but we’re not building new ships of the first rank, there aren’t any men!
                    Zolotishko at a record pace - more than 120 tons to England alone, sales grew 8 times, and there were no money for which gold was exchanged ...
                    That's what the problem is, not sales, in principle.
                    1. Peter is not the first April 16 2020 13: 09 New
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                      Yes, gold is a strategic reserve, but also a commodity. And in the modern world market, we can’t buy anything for gold, for this we need just pieces of paper in the form of currency.
                      Try to go to the store and buy something on the gold ring. It will not work, first you have to go buy and sell a ring with a big discount, and with the money you can buy something.
                      So the state, and in this case, gold mining companies, are forced to sell products (gold) that they mined or to receive money to meet budgetary expenses.
                      The main thing to finish on this, as the article and the main comments on completely different topics.
                  2. Ross xnumx April 16 2020 13: 11 New
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                    Quote: Peter is not the first
                    It is impossible, and it is not necessary to redeem all mined gold from gold miners and store in storage.

                    It is true. Whether it’s a matter - debt receipts from the United States or other countries that have a reserve currency in the monetary unit.
                    Russia is simply obliged to give its goods and resources for ... cut paper, not backed by anything ... But who knows?
                    I’m just wondering if the same US will bring down its dollar as a result of exposure to coronavirus, zadovirus or yellowstone virus, and so what? What will remain in the Russian treasury?
                2. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 12: 50 New
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                  which minus ??? so sold and not taken out
                  1. boss April 16 2020 13: 13 New
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                    Didn’t you sell it?
                    Not?
                    And there is no money, but you hold on ...
                    Already changing the cable is a big financial problem.
                    De money, zing ?!
              2. Paranoid50 April 16 2020 12: 53 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                it is written that they export it?

                Hammer in. People snatched a jingle, but did not understand what was happening, and now they are rushing about this rotten info, shoving it everywhere out of place. Here and now they filth a branch. am
                1. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 12: 54 New
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                  here are fekometa like patron
                  1. boss April 16 2020 13: 19 New
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                    And what is the fake?
                    Statistics is lying, and gold wasn’t taken out, huh?
                    1. Nastia makarova April 17 2020 06: 15 New
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                      no, they didn’t take it out !!! but sold !!!!
                2. boss April 16 2020 13: 18 New
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                  It seems you are filthy, and I am writing about the need to send PEOPLE funds to modernize the fleet, and not to lay the border, with the subsequent withdrawal of money to offshore houses for the construction of superyachts by oligarchs.
                  And what is infa "rotten", huh?
                  March, fresh, follow the link.
                  According to the results of 19 years, just in case.
                3. Ross xnumx April 16 2020 13: 20 New
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                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  People snatched a jingle, but did not understand what was happening, and now they are rushing about this rotten info, shoving it everywhere out of place.

                  What is not clear here?
                  "Some blacks don't like Semites ..."

                  But still others will not understand how having more than $ 600 in the NWF, selling gold in GB (GB - Great Britain) (I hope, not at a loss to myself, like oil ??? wassat) should complain
                  that the modernization of the cruiser was not carried out due to lack of funds for this.

                  Here it is no longer clear what is rotten, who has it and when.
                  Here and now they filth a branch.

                  Sparrows are messing up the branch, and you will learn to separate the grains from the chaff and do not really swing your wand before us. What is, then we write.
                  1. Paranoid50 April 16 2020 20: 20 New
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                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    What is, then we write.

                    laughing laughing laughing Actually, as required to prove, the day is done. wassat hi
      2. Aleksandr21 April 16 2020 10: 42 New
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        Quote: kjhg
        Instead, they will build a new frigate of project 22350M. At least the voiced plans of the Navy speak of this.


        The main thing is that the desires coincide with the possibilities :) and then the global financial crisis is in the yard, and I fully admit that the 22350M project can be pushed aside and manage to build 22350 for now. This year, you definitely can’t wait for the 22350M bookmark, there’s something news about it Now it’s not thick, it’s not clear whether the technical appearance of the ship and the financing situation are still in the air ... maybe in 2021 this issue will become clear.
        1. kjhg April 16 2020 11: 13 New
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          Quote: Aleksandr21
          The main thing is that the desires coincide with the possibilities :) and then the global financial crisis is in the yard, and I fully admit that the 22350M project can be put on the back burner and dispense with the construction of 22350.

          I agree with you. Unfortunately, plans have to be postponed all the time because of the worsening economic and financial situation in the country. I immediately recall the big plans for the GPV 2011 - 2020 for the purchase of Armata, BMP Kurganets, BTR Boomerang, PAKFA Su-57, Coalition and a number of projects: PAKDA, PAKSHA, the nuclear destroyer Leader, the aircraft carrier Storm, etc.
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          This year, you definitely can’t wait for bookmark 22350M, there’s not much news about it right now, it’s not clear whether the technical appearance of the ship and the financing situation are still in the air ... maybe this question will become clear in 2021.

          Now the design documentation is under construction. The bookmark was planned for 2021 with the delivery of the first ship until 2027. The upcoming severe economic crisis may delay these plans indefinitely.
        2. alexmach April 16 2020 14: 57 New
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          This year you can’t wait for bookmark 22350M,

          It was as if without a crisis it was obvious
    2. Jack O'Neill April 16 2020 11: 49 New
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      It is sad that my suspicions are confirmed. So I thought that he would be “podrihtat” without modernization and written off by 2030

      1123 is a good platform for modern weapons. The same “Caliber” can be pushed into it to the heap. But you have to part with the “Volcanoes”.
      Yes, yes, use "Moscow" as a platform for the Kyrgyz Republic and air defense / missile defense, today it is. Maybe by the 30th year they will come to their senses if we don’t build destroyers. With corvettes like ships of the first rank, the picture is creepy.
    3. bayard April 16 2020 22: 21 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      So I thought that he would be “podrihtat” without modernization and written off by 2030

      With Moscow, there is no other way, and it’s good that they managed to fix it and extend the service life. Before the construction of new ships. About ten years a shift should be.
  2. Tiksi-3 April 16 2020 09: 26 New
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    It is also reported that the modernization of the cruiser was not carried out due to lack of funds for this. - this is just bad news, in order to perform tasks in the Syrian region (fully), it was necessary to modify a lot .... but they promise that it will reach the 30th year and the frigates 22350-22350M will be written off and replaced
    1. Doctor April 16 2020 10: 22 New
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      to perform tasks in the Syria region

      But what kind of tasks are there in Syria? Oil? Who needs it now ...
      1. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 11: 08 New
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        we are not in syria for oil
        1. Doctor April 16 2020 12: 36 New
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          we are not in syria for oil

          And for what?
          1. Nastia makarova April 16 2020 12: 52 New
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            and here they are minus for the question, so that with the help of military bases we will gain a foothold in the Mediterranean Sea and influence BV
          2. bayard April 16 2020 22: 28 New
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            Quote: Arzt
            And for what?

            Geopolitics. Prevention of improper pipelines, liquidation of a terrorist nursery, naval base, sales markets (the whole spectrum - from weapons to food), influence on politics in the warheads and the Maghreb district, crowding out the Anglo-Saxons (movement, stifling movements, disrupting plans, subject to bargaining and coercion to agreements.
            Demonstration of strength and determination.
  3. Magic archer April 16 2020 09: 28 New
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    Hmm ... it was easier to write off with such a "modernization"! As from a combat unit, the sense of zero. Why not even put Onyx as the main caliber !? We paid attention to the GEM ... And what's the point of the engine when there is nothing else!? It's as if you put a new engine on the T-34 and let it go like a modernized tank. Shame ... You can minus
    1. Piramidon April 16 2020 09: 45 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      Why not even put Onyx as the main caliber !?

      To do this, carry out modernization. But it is written in black in Russian
      the cruiser was not modernized due to lack of funds

      What's not clear? request
      1. boss April 16 2020 12: 02 New
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        It is not clear why Moscow has 13 yards for the purchase of a curb (and this is only a purchase + dismantling + installation, the amount will increase MINIMUM threefold), for festivals sausages, sausages, barbecue MONEY SHAFT, and the modernization of the cruiser MOSCOW, there is somehow no money (
        1. Piramidon April 16 2020 12: 42 New
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          Quote: patron
          and the modernization of the cruiser MOSCOW, there’s no money (

          But does it make sense to modernize it for 5 years, to invest a lot of money, so that after a couple of years it can be written off?
          1. boss April 16 2020 12: 48 New
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            Kanesh, we’ll buy better bards and hold festivals.
            And you don’t need to do the modernization for 5 years, and then write off after 2 years.
            Please see the construction and modernization dates in China and South Korea.
            1. Piramidon April 16 2020 12: 53 New
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              Quote: patron
              Please see the construction and modernization dates in China and South Korea.

              I live in Russia and from what I learn about Chinese shipbuilding, this process will not work faster with us. And investing in what will be cut into needles tomorrow is less effective than in curbs.
              1. boss April 16 2020 13: 10 New
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                Again, I will give you an example of the Chinese fools - they bought advanced weapons from us, bought the great Peter the Great and didn’t put them on needles, and having learned from experience, they built beautiful ships, aircraft carriers, airplanes, and much more. And you say, the process will not go faster ...
                certainly, dear, will go.
                This is called learning from best practices.
                Even in training money is more promising to invest than in curbs, believe me.
                And there is no difference where you live.
                1. Piramidon April 16 2020 13: 32 New
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                  Quote: patron
                  And you say, the process will not go faster ...
                  certainly, dear, will go.

                  From what I learn about Chinese affairs, the process will certainly not accelerate. He does not depend on me at all. Only a government that knows more about you and me about it and on which acceleration depends can do this. But, alas, there is no money, then desire.
    2. alexmach April 16 2020 09: 50 New
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      And what's the use of the engine when there is nothing else !?

      The sense of the engine is that the ship will be able to walk. At least it will reach the same Syria.
    3. kjhg April 16 2020 09: 55 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      Hmm ... it was easier to write off with such a "modernization"!

      There was no modernization. Repair of the power plant and some other systems to extend the life of the ship.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      As from a combat unit, the sense of zero.

      Firstly, it’s not zero. Hit the main caliber, he, in which case, still be able to. Missiles will hit the target or not, this is another matter. In any case, the enemy will have a threat with which he must cope. And the S-300F will be able to bring down several not difficult targets, if the enemy does not jam the ship’s radars with electronic warfare.
      Secondly, there are other tasks for ships. For example, a demonstration of a flag. The ships of the ocean zone of the zone can be counted on our fingers. And such a large cruiser to demonstrate strength is best suited.
      Thirdly, in the Mediterranean group, ships are needed even for a list. Look at their composition. There are always such ships as the TFR Sharp, Inquisitive. Their combat value is even lower than that of Moscow. Until the last moment, there was a BOD Kerch, which, incidentally, also underwent repairs to extend its service life. If it weren’t for the fire, today it would have plowed the expanses of the Mediterranean Sea, training young officers and giving them the experience of naval service.
      1. alexmach April 16 2020 10: 02 New
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        Until the last moment there was a BOD Kerch

        Come on you fill.
        From June to November 2014, the ship underwent restoration repairs, after which it was supposed to replace the RKR “Moscow” as the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet [3]. During the repair, on November 4, 2014, a fire occurred at the Kerch BOD, which damaged a number of aft compartments [4] [5]. Based on the results of the work of the commission investigating the incident, a decision was made to decommission and dispose of the ship in 2015 [6]

        There are always such ships as the TFR Sharp, Inquisitive

        I do not remember a single message about their campaign to Syria. Maybe they were, but that would not be true all the time.
        1. donavi49 April 16 2020 10: 55 New
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          The sharp-witted from Syria did not climb out 2016-2018. The last epic BS with maintenance and parking in Tartus - April 2018 - August 2018.
          Today, the watchful ship Smetlivy returned to the Main Naval Base of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy - Sevastopol who performed tasks in the far sea zone since April 2018!


          In the summer of 2019, he also watched SibRiz, where there was still a scandal with an attempt to push him out.


          Inquisitive extreme BS - 81 days ended in October 2019.
          Back from #Syria campaign: #BMF Project 1135M # BSF 30th Surface Ship Division Krivak II Class frigate Pytlivy 868 returns from 81 days Mediterranean deployment & transits Bosphorus towards the Black Sea en route to Sevastopol.
          1. alexmach April 16 2020 12: 13 New
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            Yes indeed, as for the guard, he was wrong. In general, everything that is available to Syria goes, well, of course, except for the damaged Kerch DBK that was under repair. But from this, what really does with Moscow does not become clearer.
    4. Tiksi-3 April 16 2020 11: 12 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      As from a combat unit, the sense of zero.

      belay fool ..... well, as for more details, what is there 0 ?? and if you can’t correctly paint his zero, it’s better to be silent, because you yourself know who you will marry!
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        1. Tiksi-3 April 17 2020 08: 03 New
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          Quote: Magic Archer
          what to paint then)))?

          then you have a materiel below the waterline
          Quote: Magic Archer
          His peers everywhere have long been written off.

          all three are in service
          Quote: Magic Archer
          This rusty dish can only frighten the natives, nothing more.

          a rusty dish on your two hundredths in the village of Gadyukino
          Quote: Magic Archer
          Your stupidity does not even allow you to understand this)))

          Noob, you are Kashpirovsky - and that’s it.
          Quote: Magic Archer
          I don’t understand this for a person who grew up in Soviet times.

          where did you grow up ?? on the collective farm "light path"? a person who grew up in the USSR will not slide down to insults, so the adios is a person from another "democratic" herd ...
  4. Zaurbek April 16 2020 09: 48 New
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    Onyx will not be? If he is removed from the composition, then the Turkish Navy at the World Cup will receive a decisive advantage.
    1. alexmach April 16 2020 09: 52 New
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      Yes, this ship is not for the World Cup.
      1. Zaurbek April 16 2020 09: 53 New
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        Isn't he assigned to the World Cup?
        1. alexmach April 16 2020 09: 59 New
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          However, it was built not for the Black Sea and not for confrontation with Turkey.
          1. Zaurbek April 16 2020 10: 01 New
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            I understand that ... but now Moscow is about 50 percent of the Black Sea Fleet’s striking power ....
            1. alexmach April 16 2020 10: 05 New
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              Most of the striking power of the Black Sea Fleet, as I understand it now, is the MRK.
              1. Zaurbek April 16 2020 10: 06 New
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                There are not many ..... and it is necessary to compare with the fleet of Turks .... The striking power of the Black Sea Fleet is aviation and anti-ship missiles in the Crimea.
                1. alexmach April 16 2020 10: 11 New
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                  How to say.
                  Buyanov 3 and one is under construction. This is a total volley more than in Moscow, modern anti-ship missiles.
                  Karakurt is planned 6. Will they build a separate issue.
                  With all their known shortcomings.
                  1. bayard April 16 2020 22: 53 New
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                    They forgot about the frigates.
                    1. alexmach April 16 2020 23: 52 New
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                      Well, yes .. for three together, too, a volley more than a volley of Moscow, although it is not at all large, like the 6 Varshavyanka.
                      1. bayard April 17 2020 00: 02 New
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                        No need to “offend Varshavyanka”, they can recharge - for 15 seconds per apparatus according to the standard. And in the ammunition of 18 torpedoes and missiles, the ratio can be very different.
                        “Varshavyanka” - our FSO on the Black Sea Fleet.
                        And yet it will be just great if “Moscow” will be back in operation in May. Unload frigates in the Mediterranean direction. And then they are unlikely to let her go further than the middle-earth.
                      2. alexmach April 17 2020 00: 11 New
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                        I meant that he, the salvo, and the Warsaw is more than Moscow.
                      3. bayard April 17 2020 00: 16 New
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                        But the "Moscow" volley LOUD! fellow
                        But still, heavy missiles ... harder. yes
    2. Sailor April 16 2020 10: 18 New
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      It is assigned to the Black Sea Fleet, but the cruiser was built not for the enclosed sea, it’s crowded here, but for the 5th operational squadron, but the time of pr.1164 is drawing to a close, but Peter needs to be upgraded to the maximum.
      1. kjhg April 16 2020 11: 24 New
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        Quote: Sailor
        Peter needs to be upgraded to the maximum.

        It is necessary, but refused because of the excessive cost of upgrading the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. Peter the Great will simply be repaired to extend its life. A pity, a pity.
        1. Sailor April 16 2020 13: 04 New
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          Yes, I know, I expressed my opinion, maybe when “Nakhimov” comes out, something will change for the better and there will be money.
  • huntsman650 April 16 2020 09: 52 New
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    KR, as I understand it, is no longer being produced for him, they are prolonging junk. RTS is also old, probably still tube. Where is it interesting to take a zip?
    1. donavi49 April 16 2020 10: 30 New
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      Some items are updating. Some are found in factory landfills and finished. Some of the backlogs bring. Some take off from other ships, capitulate and set.

      At Ustinich, almost all of the old posts and systems were updated. Here are the removed + residual spare parts by Ustinov for these systems can be used in VTG for Moscow and Varyag.

      GK missiles have not been launched for a very long time. There is another problem, which again calls into question the further operation of these cruisers. Missiles are stupidly small. Therefore, they reduced the shooting to the limit. They are pulling ammunition as they can. But by the 30th in the main complex there will already be nothing to renew and capital. Well, or switch to simulated electronic launches, leaving 1-1,5 BC for the cruiser.
      1. huntsman650 April 16 2020 10: 41 New
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        On Ustinov, the OSs were changed, even before modernization, but with pencils for them, too, not very.
  • common man April 16 2020 09: 54 New
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    Pull the operation up to the 30th year and leave it as a museum. Is he like the very first in the series? We have catastrophically no museum ships. Everything is cut into needles. Instead, it is better to drive the 22350 and 22350M series.
    1. kjhg April 16 2020 10: 06 New
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      Totally agree with you. To replace Moscow, it is necessary to build frigates 22350M. This is many times a better solution than trying to upgrade a cruiser built 40 years ago. If it was modernized, then EVERYTHING would have to be replaced: air defense, strike weapons, state military aviation, radio engineering systems, etc. To do this, I would have to gut the whole ship, replace all the electrics and electronics. Not to mention the need for new design work for this. It’s easier and more reasonable to build a frigate 22350M.
      1. donavi49 April 16 2020 10: 25 New
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        The basic project is - Ustinov.
        Modernization is very limited, radar updating, updating of posts, updating of combat information system, repair + maintenance + elements of modernization of mechanisms and combat systems, new jamming systems and electronic warfare.

        Moscow stupidly brought to running readiness without minimal updates.

        As for the 22350M, there is not even a CD yet, and you are building. wink The new 2 - 22350 will be similar to those laid down last year. 22350M - laid at best next year. And if the crisis gnaws, then it is not a fact that by 2030 there will be at least one 22350M

        It became known that ship outline design Project 22350M completed. By the end of the year (2019) it is planned to hold acceptance of work by the profile commission. According to the portal flotprom.ru, to complete the design of the frigate of the project 22350M necessary from 12 to 18 months. The construction of the lead ship of the new series will take 4-5 years.
        1. kjhg April 16 2020 10: 56 New
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          Quote: donavi49
          The basic project is - Ustinov.
          Modernization is very limited, radar updating, updating of posts, updating of combat information system, repair + maintenance + elements of modernization of mechanisms and combat systems, new jamming systems and electronic warfare.

          But you understand that naval commanders have to choose - either, or. On Ustinov replaced the radar. This seems to be good. But when work began, it became clear that the native cables would not pull the increasing power consumption of new radar electricity. As a matter of urgency, we had to agree on new volumes of work and a new estimate. As a result, almost all electrical cables were changed. This greatly delayed and increased the cost of the project. The naval commanders were very dissatisfied with the situation. Then it was decided to cancel the planned modernization of Moscow and Varyag. A similar situation was repeated with Admiral Nakhimov. A decision was made to cancel the modernization of Peter the Great according to the project of Admiral Nakhimov.
          Russia cannot pull not only the construction of new cruisers, but also the modernization of the old ones inherited from the Soviet Empire. Unfortunately, this is the reality of today. Tomorrow can be even worse, given the current cost of oil and gas.
          1. boss April 16 2020 12: 17 New
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            I finally didn’t ship, but to indicate how big a problem led to a SERIOUS rise in price, in connection with the laying of new cables - this is a big top.
            There is not enough money for cables and their laying in the country ???
            Soon we will demonstrate the flag of the country with superyachts of oligarchs, because they are already much more ships for the fleet. And soon there will be more and more (
          2. alexmach April 17 2020 00: 09 New
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            But when work began, it became clear that the native cables would not pull the increasing power

            It is not clear how this became clear only after the start of work. And it was not known in advance what cables were there? It was impossible to “ring” them individually at the time of preparation of the project?

            And one more thing - isn’t replacing cable routes an essential step in upgrading a 30-year-old ship?
      2. alexmach April 16 2020 14: 20 New
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        Here the truth is another problem - the pace of construction of these same 22350, even if the speed of construction of the series will bring to decent, and in addition they are needed in the north and in the Pacific Fleet.
  • dubovitskiy.1947 April 16 2020 10: 31 New
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    Quote: Magic Archer
    Hmm ... it was easier to write off with such a "modernization"! As from a combat unit, the sense of zero. Why not even put Onyx as the main caliber !? We paid attention to the GEM ... And what's the point of the engine when there is nothing else!? It's as if you put a new engine on the T-34 and let it go like a modernized tank. Shame ... You can minus

    Kohl allowed, get my minus. Put your grandfather in order (if, of course, you still have one on the go), and consider him a full-fledged fighter. Plans for use plan, contentment, the barracks, and so on ...... But who will keep it from all sides, while he will wave three-line? Absurd? Of course. Then what are you ....? A long time ago in my life I was dealing with the production of marine electrical engineering. Leading designer of fleet boxes. There are warranty periods of 12 years. This is how many times they had to tear everything, cables, electrics, ship's telegraph, etc., electronics, to EXTEND the life? A simple household example is if you put too many nails in a board, does it become stronger or not? So with ship iron. Water, and even the sea, she .....
  • Andrey.AN April 16 2020 11: 07 New
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    His armaments are already superior to the armaments of any probable opponents. Steeper than Vulcan missiles so far, in general, no, or Fort missiles. In addition, these missiles are being modernized, Granites seem to be able to hit by land now, and the Fortes are getting smarter, in good condition the ship is not sickly.
    1. kjhg April 16 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Andrey.AN
      His armaments are already superior to the armaments of any probable opponents. Steeper than Vulcan missiles so far, in general, no

      What do you mean by the word cooler? More? Heavier? Cleverer? That Volcano, that Granite, and even more so the ancient Basalt, has long been both morally and physically obsolete. They are absolutely not designed to work in conditions of electronic countermeasures. Their homing head will not be able to hit the target when the enemy uses active and passive interference. The same applies to the S-300F, the marine counterpart of the S-300P. Do not confuse it with the S-300FM, which stands on Peter the Great and will now stand on Admiral Nakhimov.
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      well-maintained ship is not sickly
      Yeah, I would have looked at you in 70 years, in what "good" condition you would be and what would happen to you if you were put in the ring against a 20-year-old athlete, hoping for your title of Olympic champion in youth.
      1. Andrey.AN April 16 2020 12: 03 New
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        the "obsolete" homing head of a Vulcan rocket has a laser, electronic countermeasures against it on the drum, although for a start read about these missiles, the homing heads of the Granites have been modernized to the same to work on ground targets, which means there is also optics. Do not confuse with Mosquito, that’s about the same as the American Harpoon. Target designation for such missiles still comes from external sources (satellites, over-the-horizon radars, submarines, other reconnaissance equipment), their means are controlled within the radio horizon of this ship, everything is normal and upgraded without repair, all radio equipment is duplicated, updated without interruption services, like ammunition, and all secret things.
        1. alexmach April 17 2020 10: 13 New
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          "obsolete" laser homing volcano rocket

          From this place in more detail. What kind of laser GOS on RCC? Is it going to the highlighted target?
          1. Andrey.AN April 18 2020 13: 47 New
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            I don’t know, probably scans with some kind of request (friend or foe), chooses where it’s more reflected from. It is unknown 30 years ago they also tested silence, but a couple of years ago I read that the Granites had a modernized guidance system.
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    "The main attention during the repair is given to the repair of gas turbine generators, gearboxes, fuel equipment, gas ducts of marching gas turbine engines and other elements of the power plant."
    GEM I - this is good, if only the Basalts were changed to Onyx.
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  • prior April 16 2020 12: 54 New
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    The retirement age of the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet - the Nakhimov Guards Order of the Moscow missile cruiser was postponed to 2030. (Pension Fund of the Ministry of Defense of Russia).
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    In Soviet times, there were ships of the radar patrol. The task of the patrol ships, tracking REPORT about the mass take-off of aircraft, for example from the enemy’s AUG. Here are old people for these tasks and you can attract.
  • g1v2 April 16 2020 20: 24 New
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    I watch the Ukrainian soldiers of the ideological struggle are not asleep. It seems that the news is domestic and positive - that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet will be back in operation in a month. But here they went right away - gold, treasure, throwing poop to the Kremlin and so on. Coincidence? And by the way, according to recently published documents of the Ukrainian forces of psychological struggle, they were tasked with discrediting the Russian Black Sea Fleet and given a list of theses that they need to operate on. It will be very interesting to see which of the commentators takes it. wink
  • Bat039 April 16 2020 21: 28 New
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    Before decommissioning a cruiser, you need to build and transfer to the fleet a powerful ship that can replace it, otherwise this is a diversion aimed at undermining the defense of the Russian Federation !!!