Russian microelectronics: there are problems, but there are prospects


Printed circuit board MC51.03 NeuroMatrix developed by STC "Module". Photo from Wikipedia


Talking about the successes and achievements of the domestic branch of creating microelectronic devices, some people are only puzzled, if not openly neglected: “You might think, there is something to talk about!” Imagine, despite a considerable number of rather serious problems in this area, it would be completely incorrect for Russia to speak of a “hopeless lag” behind the world's leading developers and manufacturers of microelectronics and a “complete lack of prospects” in this area.

Typically, such statements are made, as a rule, by people who are far from being professionals in this very specific and requiring special knowledge issue. Their “awareness” is often based on “tops” snatched from popular articles on this topic (such as comparing the topological standards of manufactured products in nanometers) and a deep conviction that “bast” Russia is not able to create anything more difficult than a cast iron.

At the same time, the moment, for example, is overlooked that the first “smart machine”, which could justifiably be classified as a computer in continental Europe, was created in the USSR in 1950. Yes, even under Comrade Stalin ... And after 3 years in Moscow, the production of the first serial Strela computer was already mastered. However, that’s all история. However, the roots of the current state of the domestic microelectronic industry lie in it, both its successes and weaknesses.

It is no secret to anyone that in the USSR the main customer of all high-tech developments was the military-industrial complex. In fact, in today's Russia, little has changed in this regard. No wonder: few can compare with having more than solid defense industry financing in the ability to make the colossal investments necessary for the development of this far from cheap branch of science and production. As a result, there is a very serious bias towards, let's say, very specific designs and products. Alas, the “civilian” consumer electronics manufactured in the country is based, as a rule, on imported components.

But in the creation of microprocessors and similar things that meet the requirements of "it doesn’t drown in water, it doesn’t burn in fire", as well as withstanding ultra-high doses of radiation or, say, ultra-low temperatures, we have almost no equal. To some extent, the Americans can boast of similar developments, but the Chinese comrades, who have flooded the world with their smartphones, are not yet able to reach the super-strength and super-reliability of our microelectronics.

In Russia, of course, there are not many enterprises of this profile, as in most countries of the same Southeast Asia, however, such flagships of microelectronic production, as the domestic Angstrem and Mikron, are among the most powerful Eastern European manufacturers of these products. As for the second of these enterprises, at least a fifth of its products are in high demand abroad and are exported.

It should be noted that our alleged backwardness from Western and other countries in the field of microelectronics today is more an exaggeration than a reality. Yes, until about 2010, the backlog was estimated at 20, or even all 25 years. In the future, given the rapid growth of the industry, which outstripped the general pace of the rise of Russian industry in a number of periods, this gap, according to experts, was reduced to 5 years. Anyway, it’s insulting, but it has progressed quite well. Again, there is room to grow ...

According to experts, Russia is hardly worth striving to “catch up” or “overtake” other countries in an area that is not now and is unlikely to be its strong point - the mass production of microelectronic components for, so to say, consumer goods. It is better to concentrate in those areas where we have traditionally been, if not the best, then certainly not the worst. The production of components for space technology, industrial automation, transport and energy - these are the areas, developing which our country will be able to both provide its own truly vital needs and take its rightful place in the world market.

However, no one calls so completely to abandon the "civilian" segment. Yes, this, in fact, does not happen. A concrete example is that literally last year, the Bryansk company Silicon EL launched mass production of microcircuits and transistors designed for such notebooks, digital cameras and smartphones that we all demand. They promise to do no worse than Mitsubishi and Fuji, but we'll see there. In the end, let's not forget that the country has adopted the state "Strategy for the development of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation for the period until 2030". You look, and reduce the five-year gap to zero. Zero to zero ...
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  1. Chaldon48 April 14 2020 07: 37 New
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    May God give our calves and the wolf to eat!
    1. URAL72 April 14 2020 08: 50 New
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      Of course optimistic, but not far from the truth. But it’s nice.
    2. Bar1 April 14 2020 15: 55 New
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      Learned how to make / copy boards, and according to the author, is this a major breakthrough in electronics? Especially for this author of the article, making boards without an element base is like releasing comics with pictures without text and without semantic content.
      1. Mastodon April 14 2020 17: 36 New
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        Quote: Bar1
        Learned how to make / copy boards, and according to the author, is this a major breakthrough in electronics? Especially for this author of the article, making boards without an element base is like releasing comics with pictures without text and without semantic content.

        This picture is just for sight and you don’t have to spit on our electronic scientists right there ..
        Here it was already a common thing that Russia did not try to create, immediately, spitting and humiliation, like you can’t do anything, but the West can, etc. ..Well tired already
        1. Ingvar 72 April 14 2020 18: 44 New
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          Quote: Mastodon
          This picture is just for sight and you don’t have to spit on our electronic scientists right there ..

          In your words, there is an answer to the question about the existence of our electronics. Even a picture is hard to find. laughing
          1. Mastodon April 14 2020 19: 44 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In your words, there is an answer to the question about the existence of our electronics. Even a picture is hard to find

            Well, it’s beautifully pricked laughing .. winked
            Well, as far as I can, I protect .. hi
            1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 17 New
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              There is nothing to protect. Where are Russian computers, smartphones, cameras, where are high-tech equipment? Where are the accessories for the PC? How many bought spare parts for a computer, did not see any of our spare parts. He looked around the house and saw what he saw - a monitor, a camera and a Korean washer, a computer, a printer, a telephone, a coffee maker, a kettle, an iron - Chinese, but what about ours?
              1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 08 New
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                They are - only you can’t afford them.
            2. Caretaker April 15 2020 09: 48 New
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              Quote: Mastodon
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In your words, there is an answer to the question about the existence of our electronics. Even a picture is hard to find

              Well, it’s beautifully pricked laughing .. winked
              Well, as far as I can, I protect .. hi

              Pictures are hard to find for those who do not want to.
              Unfortunately, this can be attributed to the author of the article. Even "Elbrus" did not mention.
              1. Mastodon April 15 2020 11: 19 New
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                Quote: Caretaker
                Pictures are hard to find for those who do not want to.
                Unfortunately, this can be attributed to the author of the article. Even "Elbrus" did not mention.

                Here I am talking about this .. We have developments that are no worse than Western ones, they are simply indiscriminate, well, anger against Russia gnaws at many .. hi
      2. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 06 New
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        In Russia, the electronics base of Roselectronics is engaged in which more than 150 enterprises as well as KRET.
    3. Anatoly Denisov April 19 2020 13: 37 New
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      I looked from the side / I live where these same Mikron and Angstrom / and saw how, with the minister’s submission, this same “bias” destroyed the country's microelectronics. In the last century, the Ministry of Mechanical Engineering / MM / requested to develop control ... in a smart shell .. They significantly raised their thumbs up to / ISS / ... and sent them 10 years into the depths of time .. Ways of my enterprise and head research institute from MM crossed .. they themselves decided to create this management of a smart projectile .... but the special equipment was only in the MZP .. that is, we .. In the IEP there was an order ...... do not sell or transfer special equipment to other ministries .... The chief technologist of our enterprise and I went to one of the IEP commanders ... and they said in plain text ..... well, about the "stupid" order. They gave us light .. our company writes the calculation - the rationale for this equipment ... I howled .. tk. I need this equipment, like a fifth wheel cart .. our profile is completely different ....... Bottom line ... I ordered this equipment. paid for MM and it is as if in custody in MM. .. Delirium ..... complete but ..... when I heard about a smart shell of the Russian Federation ....... something became .. nice ...
  2. GTYCBJYTH2021 April 14 2020 07: 38 New
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    We make a bold conclusion of the topic: there are and will be problems, but what about the prospects, if the problems are removed, they will ....
  3. Old partisan April 14 2020 07: 40 New
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    I wonder what about modern military electronics in cheap Chinese or expensive American? Why the question is all the military factories in the past that produced microchips, at least in our city, in oblivion.
    1. knn54 April 14 2020 08: 13 New
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      Not in all agree with the author.
      The trouble was that the IC for the military-industrial complex and household appliances, unlike the West, differed significantly in quality.
      In the USSR, the military-industrial complex did not use microprocessors, and many LSIs (for example, a converter of information into Manchester-2 code).
      T, E have to start from scratch, taking into account what the old partisan said.
      As for the PRC, they buy “responsible” electronics (and this, first of all, for on-board equipment) from Taiwan. There are a couple of modern enterprises that Europe would envy.
      1. The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 08: 46 New
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        A joke about modern military microelectronics:
        The Americans got a sample of the last Russian fighter. We started to study. After some time, the gathering of experts and share their views:
        - Armed? The Russians, as always on top, overtake us for ten years ...
        - Dvigatelisty? The Russians are fifteen years behind ...
        - avionics? They couldn’t figure it out - the last lamp and transistor specialist died two years ago ...
        1. ser56 April 14 2020 15: 46 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          by lamp

          lamps are not very bad elemental base in certain places ... repeat
          1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 22 New
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            In very limited places, as they are bulky, heavy and voracious.
            1. ser56 April 15 2020 16: 22 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              because they are bulky, heavy and gluttonous.

              finger-type comparable to transistors ... request but the temperature range, noise and toughness are completely different ... hi
      2. mark1 April 14 2020 10: 33 New
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        Quote: knn54
        In the USSR, the military-industrial complex did not use microprocessors, and many LSIs

        I’ll not say for the entire military-industrial complex, but 1-bit processors were used in the Irtysh 528B2 calculator (I don’t remember the series and I don’t want to lie, like KR 589), controllers based on the KR1800 series were also widely used in the CNC (different numbers instead of zeros , for example 16), DACs and ADCs.
      3. aybolyt678 April 14 2020 11: 04 New
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        Quote: knn54
        T, E have to start from scratch,

        Alferov in one of his last interviews, said that our base in Zelenograd was of course yesterday, but not the day before yesterday and there is something to work on! For some reason I believe Alferov
    2. EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 19 New
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      Well done, I worked 5 rubles.
  4. g_ae April 14 2020 07: 43 New
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    Chubais said Chubais did.
    1. pmkemcity April 14 2020 08: 58 New
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      Quote: g_ae
      Chubais said Chubais did

      Pay attention to the "nanotechnological putty" of the window, such as to prevent the driver from "blowing". So in everything.

      He visited the best years at the Vladivostok enterprises. Of course assembly, sonar and radar, but the equipment, and especially the number of CNC machines, was surprised even by the person who worked for some time in Kiev at the Antonov factory. Oh! Probably the scrap collectors frolic there!
      1. NN52 April 14 2020 09: 20 New
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        pmkemcity (paul)
        And why did you upload a photo of the rear MiG 31 cockpit? And not even the MiG 31BM (but the "ancient" board).
        What year is the photo?
        1. pmkemcity April 14 2020 09: 32 New
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          Quote: NN52
          And why did you upload a photo of the rear MiG 31 cockpit? And not even the MiG 31BM (but the "ancient" board).

          This is an allegory.
      2. Stalllker April 18 2020 03: 49 New
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        It depends on people what to smear and how, and not on redhead or someone else
        1. pmkemcity April 18 2020 12: 22 New
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          Quote: Stalllker
          It depends on people what to smear and how, and not on redhead or someone else

          Don’t you do it, you won’t go?
  5. MrFox April 14 2020 07: 48 New
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    The article, as I understand it, was written to mention the company Silicon El. Let's see the vacancies:

    Module Process Engineer
    from 15 000
    Silicon El Group
    Bryansk

    Electronic engineer
    from 15 000
    Silicon El Group
    Bryansk

    Yes, with such salaries we are definitely waiting for a breakthrough in electronics
    1. Mikhail m April 14 2020 08: 17 New
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      They promise to do no worse than Mitsubishi and Fuji, but we'll see there.

      To move them to an established market, you need to do better and cheaper. Judging by salaries, it will turn out cheaper, but what about better, again judging by salaries, it is unlikely.
    2. EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 20 New
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      From 15 to infinity.
    3. Aag
      Aag April 14 2020 11: 02 New
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      MrFox
      Your comment speaks more about the state of affairs with domestic electronics than the article. A second article in an hour and a half, one author again nothing.
    4. CSKA April 14 2020 12: 47 New
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      Quote: MrFox
      The article, as I understand it, was written to mention the company Silicon El. Let's see the vacancies:

      Do you seriously believe that they are sitting on a clean salary? 15 thousand is a salary. When I worked as an engineer, I received a salary and plus a monthly bonus, depending on the number of drawings issued by the department. My classmate in Rostov now, with a salary of 20 thousand, gets 60-70 per month plus shabashki.
      1. ser56 April 14 2020 15: 48 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        that they are sitting on a clean salary

        people just don’t understand that with a big salary it’s not easy to stimulate work ... wink
        1. CSKA April 14 2020 17: 23 New
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          Quote: ser56
          people just don’t understand that with a big salary it’s not easy to stimulate work ...

          They don’t even understand that 15 thousand is a salary, they really think that it’s zp
          1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 25 New
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            About salary you tell Sechin with Miller.
            1. CSKA April 15 2020 13: 13 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              About salary you tell Sechin with Miller.

              ))))) Fan-fan as usual? Blur anyhow sho?
        2. andrew42 April 17 2020 15: 32 New
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          Well, of course! In your opinion, is an engineer a “shareholder” on the coven? In the coffin, the engineer saw such stimulation. An engineer should work confidently and systematically, and not think about where to cut another 2-3 thousand bonus. How did these impotent KiPiAshchiki get!
          1. ser56 April 17 2020 16: 33 New
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            Quote: andrew42
            In the coffin, the engineer saw such stimulation

            I am an engineer with extensive experience and I know that without standardization of work, deadlines and bonuses, nothing will come of it ... request
            Quote: andrew42
            Engineer must work confidently and systematically

            those. wipe your pants? hi
            1. andrew42 April 17 2020 19: 54 New
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              Here it is not necessary to distort. Nobody calls for paying for "wiping pants" and does not call for the abolition of labor standards in general. However, do not confuse the solid salary of a specialist (who attracts a specialist of a certain skill level) and bonus bonuses. I hear from you, not the engineer, but the manager of the financial “department”: let’s do this, they will make the salary zero, and they will pay 100% in KiPiAi, and if you don’t find anyone wanting to spend money on pennies, they won’t be happy at all to spend money on “engineering”, not to mention Ar & Dee (OCD and R&D in our opinion).
              1. ser56 April 17 2020 19: 59 New
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                Quote: andrew42
                I don’t hear the speech of an engineer

                this is in your opinion, a person who did not manage projects ... request
                1. andrew42 April 18 2020 13: 12 New
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                  So far, the opposite is clear who led what. Do not confuse Stimulation with the payment of Labor. However, I wish you success in attracting at least a solid engineer-technologist (soon there will be no such) for 15 tyrov plus the rest "I will not give."
        3. ALARI April 19 2020 09: 18 New
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          For 15 thousand, you become a slave, the boss wants to give a bonus; he doesn’t want to.
  6. Brigadier April 14 2020 07: 50 New
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    "In the end, let's not forget that the country has adopted the state "Strategy for the development of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation for the period until 2030"".

    In our country, what kind of state programs and state strategies were not accepted ...
    Including such well-known as Skolkovo, spaceport, etc.
    And how did it end? That's it ...

    And this "state strategy" will go there, while the honored master of rowing in galleys and his wards, such as Chubais, Kudrin, Nabiullina, Medvedev, Sechin and other raking athletes, steers in the country.

    1. EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 23 New
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      Well, look for how it ended. Or google banned? And the liberal-communist psychoses about the initiative, or a major project on the part of the authorities already got it. I suspect that having fastened an avatar with Stalin, you really would not have gone to build any Magnitogorsk in the real 30s, because "it’s a no brainer that nothing will come of it."
      1. CSKA April 14 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        I suspect that having fastened an avatar with Stalin, you certainly would not have gone to build any Magnitogorsk in the real 30s, because "it’s a no brainer that nothing will come of it."

        They are only in words all hard workers and shout at every step about industrialization, and in fact, they are not even able to read something about what is being built.
    2. CSKA April 14 2020 12: 48 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      Including such well-known as Skolkovo, spaceport, etc.

      And what is wrong with the spaceport, but about Skolkovo, at least read something.
      1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 13: 57 New
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        In Skolkovo, everything is being built normally and companies are coming.
        1. CSKA April 14 2020 17: 25 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          In Skolkovo, everything is being built normally and companies are coming.

          That's it. They don’t even want to understand what is Skolkovo’s task. Just like for several years they drove and driven to Rusnano. They even try to Rostec.
          1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 10 New
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            It’s useless for idiots to explain something; they don’t understand one damn thing neither in production, nor in sales, nor in developments.
            1. CSKA April 15 2020 13: 12 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              It’s useless for idiots to explain something; they don’t understand one damn thing neither in production, nor in sales, nor in developments.

              Especially in sales. For them it’s all traders and speculators.
  7. Eug
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    In Soviet times, there was such a joke - CMEA rests on Polish hard work, Soviet thrift and Mongolian microelectronics. During practice at the Kommunar instrument-making factory, known as the manufacturer of the Proton rocket launcher Proton and less known as the manufacturer of Berezka color TV, at a review lecture we were told that in TV technology we lag behind the Basurmans solely because it is made on elements of the previous generation, extracted from mobilization bins of the motherland. What am I talking about? Microelectronics, like any product, needs not so much a wide market as a solvent demand. And how to create it is a matter of state policy ...
    1. EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 45 New
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      Basurmans, while our grandfathers welded armored plates of tanks, made thousands of radars for aircraft on the Pacific Theater. There was no electronics under the tsar, in principle, under Stalin it was much more important to make a tank that rides and shoots, and, for example, a night vision device for it, works on which before the Second World War, it’s somehow possible to endure, and even radios are not enough, where is the luxury there, after Stalin there was nothing to talk about there, if IBM was already able to invest billions in the 60s but create a series of standard computers for tens of thousands of cars, and the USSR could build a maximum of one model in 10-15 years in the amount of 300-400 pcs. Because the opportunities for the release of the element base were not comparable. Under Brezhnev, when they decided to steal IBM \ 360, for the sake of software, the kirdyk came at all, because American ideas on our elemental base are quite like that.

      It’s another matter that now it’s possible to make a ballistic computer for a tank, or an industrial controller, even if it’s not a monster, like Siemens S-400, in which it just doesn’t work, including a web server, it’s still a bit easier than in the 80s.
      1. mark1 April 14 2020 11: 03 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        American ideas on our element base

        130, 133/155, 561, 564, 565 series - how much is our elemental base?
        1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 34 New
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          I confirm that our elemental base (designed by us) was very, very small. The entire element base was almost an exact copy of American microcircuits and a bit of Japanese. And they didn’t manage to copy what they themselves were instructed to copy to the GDR, Poland and the Czechs with the Bulgarians.
          And now we are so plump that we can’t even copy, the USSR at least managed to copy.
          1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 12 New
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            Copying is your line of business and Chinese lads. Russia will not deal with this garbage.
      2. Errr April 14 2020 11: 19 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        Under Brezhnev, when they decided to steal the IBM \ 360, for the sake of software, the kirdyk came at all, because American ideas on our elemental base are quite like that.
        We also had an elemental base, by God it was! laughing True, there was also reverse engineering. smile They were tearing at something that they themselves didn’t quite succeed in, but they somehow released the 155th series of microcircuits (some say that they are still being produced). Later even K1810 began to rivet for PC personnel PC (analogue of IBM PC).
        About YeSki, I will not say bad words; These IBM analogues worked fine (I personally dealt with the EU-1033), they were even delivered to some countries. If you want to read on this topic, then here, at least, at this address there is a solid and unfrozen article:
        https://computer-museum.ru/histussr/es_hist.htm
        And to say that “under the old regime” everything was just too ..., this in itself is “absolutely too” ... smile I have never been a communist, but "I am annoyed when innocents are beaten."
        1. EvilLion April 14 2020 11: 41 New
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          There is a very big difference between "was" and "was competitive and produced in sufficient quantities." It’s like comparing KAMAZ and Daimler. No one can say that we do not have heavy trucks. KAMAZ alone has 30 thousand a year, and in the best Soviet years it had 50 EMNIPs, and the market is limited to the CIS, and Daimler has half a million worldwide.

          The release of the same EU computers in the USSR was much less than the original machines from IBM.

          There would be electronics at least half of the American one, we would have done all sorts of BESM-6 with “Minsk”, too, with thousands, there would have been no problem with the demand for them. And they would have come to staffs too by the 80s.
          1. Errr April 14 2020 12: 15 New
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            It was not easy, no doubt. Even the Americans helped us to compose KAMAZ (of course, not disinterestedly). But now we didn’t have to splash out together with the muddy voditsa of our “electronic baby”. Whatever he is, but still his own. Normal parents cherish and cherish, rather than spread rot, how much in vain for the sake of "good new neighbors."
            Quote: EvilLion
            There would be electronics at least half of the American one, we would have done all sorts of BESM-6 with “Minsk”, too, with thousands, there would have been no problem with the demand for them.
            I also had a chance to work at Minsk-32 as a youth. These old people were not thrown away for a very long time, even in 1985 a couple of them still worked for us at KVM. The EU then stood in a different engine room and was undeniably better. This was a completely different level, without TEZs that were promptly tapped by the electronic attendant on duty and the battered shoe on duty. laughing
            Never in life is "all at once", it is only in fairy tales "possible." It would be less if we believed in fairy tales - we would not have a price. hi
            1. EvilLion April 14 2020 13: 06 New
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              If they had not switched to IBM \ 360, then the question of unification would have arisen simply later. Just because a truck, or even a combat aircraft with all its systems, is things in itself, and more or less general-purpose computers must run arbitrary programs. That is why in information technology only compatible systems can exist in parallel. Even an industrial controller must support as many standard protocols as possible so that as much top-level software as possible can work with it.

              Considering that there were many times more machines and programs for them in the West, the loss of competitiveness of Soviet systems is exclusively a matter of access to imported software, and the emergence of the Internet.
              1. Aag
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                Arguments are generally accepted.
                But, taking into account the site’s subject matter, it should be noted that they defended their work in defense and space. Or didn’t they? And now, with changing requirements and conditions, we are getting out. And sometimes, lagging in the sector under discussion slows down everything else. Or am I wrong?
                1. EvilLion April 14 2020 16: 09 New
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                  There and now basically its own, because quite special. a thing that does not require very delicate manufacturing processes.
      3. ser56 April 14 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        there wasn’t any electronics under the tsar,

        You are mistaken ... request
        "Bonch-Bruevich decided to create his own design of a radio tube and in 1916 he organized the production of electronic amplification lamps used at naval radio stations."
        https://pro-connect.ru/article.asp?id=5195
  8. Million April 14 2020 07: 56 New
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    Is it our electronics if the components are imported?
    1. EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 26 New
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      And when our components go to imported products, whose are they? In electronics, everything is very heavily mixed up, for example, a microcircuit can be developed on our order, made somewhere in Taiwan, whose will it be? At least our development. The same nVidia has no factories of its own.
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        Here it is necessary to raise the question differently. Our electronics will be when more than half of the components are domestic, and now only our assembly is obtained
      2. Bar1 April 14 2020 16: 00 New
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        And when our components go to imported products, whose are they? In electronics, everything is very heavily mixed up, for example, a microcircuit can be developed on our order, made somewhere in Taiwan, whose will it be? At least our development. The same nVidia does not have any of its plants


        But what are our components? Show?
    2. andranick April 14 2020 09: 40 New
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      Regarding microelectronics: the chipin in the middle from the top is the domestic processor 1879ВМ5Я (NM6406) of digital signal processing produced by the Scientific and Technical Center "Module" in Moscow.
      Electronics: In general, the board is theirs.
      1. UserGun April 14 2020 09: 58 New
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        Quote: andranick
        Electronics: On the whole, their pay.


        It must be the same ....))) Samsung memory, FPGA of pagan Yankees, fine logic is also not native. What did you find "their je" there ?! ))) But what can I say, textolite and that certainly is not "their zhe"
        1. andranick April 14 2020 10: 04 New
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          The PRODUCT as a whole, it is not required to consist of 100% of domestic components, but nevertheless it is a domestic PRODUCT.
          Do not confuse soft with green. Chips - this is microelectronics.
          1. UserGun April 14 2020 10: 12 New
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            Listen, don’t make my slippers laugh. Declare YOUR product in which one DSP case is of course "in Russian", huh))) It’s not funny by yourself ?!
            1. andranick April 14 2020 10: 44 New
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              Ah, you can laugh. And they are designed on computers assembled from imported components. Take care of the mental health of slippers.
          2. UserGun April 14 2020 10: 28 New
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            Quote: andranick
            Chips - this is microelectronics.


            Okak !!!
            And on what equipment are "your" chips produced ?! As I understand it, there are not even Cyrillic nameplates on this equipment, as there are no reagents. In the best case, it is only territorially located in the Russian Federation. I don’t understand why to get out of my way, jumping out of slippers on the go, but stubbornly bleat about “my own”, although if I take apart my “brick”, I’ve miscalculated one or two. Well, you can’t do everything "your". Н-Е С-М-О-Ж-Е-Т-Е. Not those times. Like any other country in the world.
      2. Bar1 April 15 2020 09: 00 New
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        Quote: andranick
        879VM5YA (NM6406)

        and it’s not your own, patented.
        1. andranick April 15 2020 17: 15 New
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          Definitely not your own? Whose?
  9. Horst78 April 14 2020 07: 57 New
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    Well, in "Shibpotrebovo" electronics we are really behind (like Europe from the USA), but in the military and technological sectors it is still at the level (the Pentagon is buying electronics in China too).
  10. 210ox April 14 2020 07: 59 New
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    By industrial automation. Domestic "Aries" - collects devices from Chinese components.
  11. Free wind April 14 2020 08: 06 New
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    It seems in the photo, an ancient Chinese video card.
  12. rocket757 April 14 2020 08: 10 New
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    Small and micro enterprises have nothing to do in this production segment! Here we need a powerful scientific and production base and MASS production, because capital costs are high initially !!!
    Otherwise there will be a black hole, absorbing capital costs infinitely, with minimal return.
    Electronics, i.e. domestic products will be in demand in many areas, if there is adequate quality and value!
    So far, but for now, it’s clear ... it’s not very pleasant, what’s visible, for a person who works in an area where the products of even our ... manufacturers are based on imported components and this is not a household, but systems that are important for the whole state, its security.
    The other day they turned it off, they will change the Italian system ... we will replace the Austrian one! That's all.
    1. Aag
      Aag April 14 2020 14: 53 New
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      "... production base and mass production ..."
      I tried to convey this same idea, talking about consumer goods above. But here, as it were, a vicious circle turns out: massively, cheaply, competitively. Have we been late, and can we torture only something for the military-industrial complex?
      1. rocket757 April 14 2020 15: 15 New
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        Everything is logical and interconnected. With mass production, upscale equipment and for household products can be designed and produced cheaper products of proper quality, modern!
        It all starts with the element base !!! And the assembly of final products can be given to small businesses!
        A household, demanded novelty of electronics, this is more the work of the designer, the offal of those products is almost the same.
        A clear division of labor! The most complex, advanced, is now available only to the "giants" having a serious scientific and production base!
        Final products can be assembled by different enterprises, depending on equipment and competence.
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          Aag April 14 2020 15: 23 New
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          I agree!
          But: "... After all, it starts with the element base ..." - for its production, too, you need equipment, technology, and much more. And here is also an ambush.
          However, you have to start somewhere. The day before yesterday ... hi
          1. rocket757 April 14 2020 15: 29 New
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            When words like Skolkovo, innovations and others like that are spoken, one wants to swear!
            Although, I really want to resurrect a friend in pince-nez !!!
            If you think about what would be more harm or benefit as a result of the resurrection of such an "effective manager" ??? soldier
            1. Aag
              Aag April 14 2020 18: 17 New
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              Duc ... Doubt the lot of those who think. The realities say, or rather, -orut, it's time to do it. Moreover, it is deliberate.
              1. rocket757 April 14 2020 19: 03 New
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                Do sho must and will be all that is needed.
                Tired of waiting for upstairs to decide what the time has come to do!
                1. Aag
                  Aag April 14 2020 19: 17 New
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                  And I about ...
                  Well, hitch, they do what they need at the top (at least from my swamp it seems so). hi
                  1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 45 New
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                    Upstairs, all the money is put into the oil industry and gas abroad. But the factories of the electronic industry are not being built, they think that they will sell microchips to the bourgeois. But the bourgeois sanctions under their nose and what to do? Where to get electronics?
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                      This is what we are talking about ... crying
                    2. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 15 New
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                      They’d like to build them when they already exist - 3000 factories of the Scientific Research Institute of Design Bureau and private offices that deal with radio electronics, microelectronics components, software and software.
  13. Not_invented April 14 2020 08: 12 New
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    The author made a big laugh by putting as a picture for an article about domestic electronics a photograph of a module based on the FPGA of the American company Altera.
    1. Aleksandr21 April 14 2020 11: 27 New
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      Quote: Not_invented
      The author made a big laugh by putting as a picture for an article about domestic electronics a photograph of a module based on the FPGA of the American company Altera.


      Judging by the articles, the author is fulfilling the order. What to take this article, that the previous one for today is “Winged Giants ..”, we have one and the same thought, but all this is presented without comparison, without detailed analysis, just to write ... I am not against the cheers of patriotic articles and even for but all this must be correctly presented, and give the reader information for reflection / comparison, and not as everything is presented in his articles.
  14. Igor Aviator April 14 2020 08: 16 New
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    Quote: Old Partisan
    I wonder what about modern military electronics in cheap Chinese or expensive American?

    I will answer - the use of imported components in the manufacture of units of defense equipment for defense orders is categorically PROHIBITED. In case of identification of those, very strict measures are applied to the enterprise that allowed this. up to deprivation of the defense order, exclusion from tenders for it. Only in rare cases when the range of components of the ordered product, for objective reasons, cannot exclude the use of a foreign component, the moment is specified in the terms of reference. But again. this is a rare case, rather (was) characteristic of the release of military satellites, or dual-use. With us, some time ago, were tangible problems with radiation-resistant military-grade microcircuits - radiation-resistant, operating in the widest temperature range (although, I remember, the Soviet Union was ahead of the rest on silicon-on-sapphire technology), but, it seems, everything is now aligned. And in the aviation and missile industry and the defense industry as a whole, now exclusively domestic-made components are used.
    1. MrFox April 14 2020 09: 29 New
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      Come on. Look at the filling of modern domestic tank radio stations
      1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 47 New
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        I also do not believe that all electronic components of military equipment are domestic. This cannot be, since Russia produces almost nothing.
        1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 17 New
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          Your cow would be better off about this, because you are clearly not in the know who and what is produced in Russia.
  15. JonnyT April 14 2020 08: 43 New
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    Our microelectronic industry! How proud it sounds, right?
    90% of machines and automatic machines are not ours, but Japanese, Chinese, German, French .... this is our microelectronics. Here is an example of our microelectronic industry: a company from Moscow bought a laser for photolithography from the Netherlands, and in 2015, the Americans banned the Netherlands from conducting its commissioning and maintenance of sanctions. That's all, 60 million down the drain.
    1. CSKA April 14 2020 14: 00 New
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      Quote: JonnyT
      90% of machines and machines are not ours

      Have you personally checked?
      Quote: JonnyT
      this is our microelectronics

      And what about microelectronics for machines?
      1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 21: 50 New
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        Sergey, have you heard about CNC machines? Here they have microelectronics.
        1. Mordvin 3 April 14 2020 23: 10 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          NC

          You would decipher the person, otherwise the brain will dislocate. laughing
          1. CSKA April 15 2020 14: 21 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            You would decipher the person, otherwise the brain will dislocate.

            Where is the genius for me.)))) You are meager ZIL workers.)))) You are able to decipher three letters, if I could even set up CNC machines I could even hire you, maybe then sat under Tula and would not whine as you have everything bad in life.
            1. Mordvin 3 April 15 2020 17: 47 New
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              Quote: CSKA
              I might even hire you to work,

              What makes you think that I will go to your Armenian Krasnodar?
              Quote: CSKA
              how is everything bad in your life.

              Yes, worse than in the 90s.
              1. CSKA April 16 2020 15: 57 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                What makes you think that I will go to your Armenian Krasnodar?

                What makes you think that he is Armenian?))))
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Yes, worse than in the 90s.

                Everyone lived badly in the 90s, and you are good. Well then, I'm just glad. which is now the opposite.
        2. CSKA April 15 2020 14: 05 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Sergey, have you heard about CNC machines? Here they have microelectronics

          )))) Well, you directly surprised, otherwise I thought as usual of Sechin and Miller remember. So can a connoisseur of CNC machines tell us whose production, for example, a control unit for Purelogic CNC machines or the PLC-S1 synchronization module?
  16. Whirlwind April 14 2020 08: 48 New
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    I came across information that we are doing Chinese SPRN, which they can not do, and they will help us. Tighten and electronics to a competitive level. What areas were not mentioned.
  17. U-58 April 14 2020 08: 57 New
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    I believe that there are more prospects than problems.
    If you produced almost nothing (compared to the more developed world), then you have an infinite number of prospects.
    And you’ll solve the breakdowns.
    There would be a will ...
  18. steelmaker April 14 2020 09: 00 New
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    The article is certainly very optimistic. But until I see in stores selling televisions, receivers, telephones, etc. of domestic production, this is all the author’s Wishlist and an advertisement for Putin’s 20-year rule. Sanctions were imposed on the MS-21 aircraft and all the "joyful screeching" was over. Although there are only 7-10% of imported components. Previously, the plan was five-year, they were implemented in 3-4 years. Now it’s good that they promise at least by 2030. For something to change, you need to change something. In the meantime, Putin rules, we are left with the promise to feed us.
    1. CSKA April 14 2020 14: 06 New
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      Quote: steel maker
      But until I see the stores of televisions, receivers, telephones, etc. of domestic production

      E-May. Yes, and home appliances for microelectronics? You know a lot of Taiwan TVs, and Taiwan is a leader in microelectronics.
      Quote: steel maker
      Domestic production, this is all the author’s Wishlist and an advertisement for Putin’s 20-year rule

      Do we have any production?
      Quote: steel maker
      Sanctions were imposed on the MS-21 and all the "joyful screeching" ended

      Only you squeal, and in December the 4th prototype took off.
      Quote: steel maker
      Previously, the plan was five-year, implemented in 3-4 years. Now it’s good, even by 2030 they promise.

      What do they promise? Are you drunk Write a set of words.
      Quote: steel maker
      For something to change, you need to change something. In the meantime, Putin rules, we are left with promises to feed us.

      What has changed? In the production of MS-21, microelectronics, economics? Begin to sober up, and then a set of letters.
    2. Vadim237 April 14 2020 14: 08 New
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      And with all this, the composites have already made MC 21 in production tests, the PD 14 engine continues in serial production - plans remain the same.
  19. Maks1995 April 14 2020 09: 05 New
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    General reasoning not supported by data.
    that way, anyone can write in both + and -.

    Since they do, yes, something inside the country (but what generation ???), and something is being taken from Taiwan with a badge in Russian. (our famous processors that no one has seen live ....)
  20. Grading April 14 2020 09: 12 New
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    Quote: Old Partisan
    I wonder what about modern military electronics in cheap Chinese or expensive American? Why the question is all the military factories in the past that produced microchips, at least in our city, in oblivion.

  21. Alecsandr April 14 2020 09: 21 New
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    It was necessary to repair various Chinese devices before. At first it was impossible to look at these boards and modules with snotty wiring and soldering blunders. Gradually, the quality and circuitry began to grow and improve steadily. And now we can learn from the Chinese in microelectronics. it means when the state really got involved in the electronic industry. They sent students abroad at state expense and, at the same time, bought equipment and technologies for the production of electronics. Then they combined all this and got the current result. So far we only have slogans and declarations of intent.
  22. flicker April 14 2020 10: 12 New
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    In the end, let's not forget that in the country
    hypersonic rockets created.
    However, those that were already enough to “NULL” one state in the BV, whose “patriots” are trying so hard on the Russian media field wink , and there
    You look, and reduce the five-year gap to zero.
    bully
  23. YuryPVO April 14 2020 10: 24 New
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    I am directly related to the production of modern communications equipment. The share of domestic components is a maximum of 10% and then these are diodes, varistors, sometimes power circuits, connectors with military acceptance. And the lion's share of the components comes from the USA, Japan, and South Korea. Chinese only resistors, connectors for msx, wires. In the development, our processors have not met. Although we have great circuitry, it is not possible to realize their ideas on the domestic element base. Chinese components are found, but these are copies of American ones. Their quality is not bad, but they are not laid in our designs, they go for repairs and consumer electronics. The Chinese have excellent components for space, with slender redundancy - these are FPGAs, processors, logic. But they don’t sell them to us directly. Therefore, deliveries are crooked, there is a lot of counterfeit, therefore, our satellites refuse.
    Our modern microcircuits, for example, processors like Baikal, MC, are made in Taiwan. And our flagships cannot master the 18 nm manufacturing process since 90 years. Yes, they make microcircuits of small integration, but this will not save us. There are Belarusian developments at the level, but they are also being produced in Taiwan, well, they are used in military equipment after the creation of stocks.
    And the fact that, shown in the photo, this is our cool development, which consists of 70% of imported accessories - Altera (USA), Samsung (RK) connectors China.
    If the state does not preoccupy itself with the problem, then we will be at the tail end regarding components. huge investments are needed in the design and manufacture of electronic components. And time is lost, sanctions are imposed, no one will sell us technology. Only yourself. And so, yes, we have a sea of ​​installation lines, imported 2000s. Installation make beautiful. The only thing that is developing perfectly with us is the microwave ECB for microwave devices, radars, radars.
    1. Aag
      Aag April 14 2020 11: 25 New
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      This is closer to the truth. Domestic circuitry has been preserved, revived. The element base is again lagging behind.
      Not so long ago (maybe a year ago), I talked with a person by type of activity who was buying EB for Roscosmos. The wave just swept through the media: “... made entirely on domestic components.” In the best case, they were re-marked, the crystals were placed in the case. However this almost all countries sin ...
      Apparently, for the development of this strategic area, there is still no way to do without consumer goods. Remember how many radio plants there were in the Union. I agree that household radio electronics were behind most imports. (Group B goods were not very popular then). But at each such enterprise there was a military representative, each produced something for the SA and the Navy. Again, plus, -supporting the mobility of the economy.
    2. Freeman April 14 2020 12: 33 New
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      YuryPVO (Yuri) Today, 10:24
      But what is shown in the photo is cool our development, consisting of 70% of imported accessories - Plis Altera (USA), Samsung (RK) connectors China.


      Excuse me, is that praise or sarcasm?
      The processor on the board ("Module"), a domestic product, although it was manufactured "abroad".
      But the same "ALTERA", also does not have its own factories, and is also "printed" on vendors.
      So, the main thing here is the notorious "intellectual property".

      The fee in the photo:
      https://www.module.ru/products/2-moduli/15--5103
      Processor board:
      https://www.module.ru/products/1/3-18795

      Application area
      • Hydro and radar
      • IR and video processing
      • Navigation receivers
      • CDMA and TDMA base stations
      • Vector matrix calculators
  24. iouris April 14 2020 10: 44 New
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    Wow, there are "problems"! What about the results?
    1. Ua3qhp April 14 2020 16: 31 New
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      Already three
      year is mass-produced
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        And this is new, but the same is available.
  25. TAMBU April 14 2020 10: 54 New
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    five year backlog

    this is only because the qualitative change of generations has slowed down, we are technologically behind by 15 years without taking into account the infrastructure and specialists necessary for “catching up” ...
    1. iouris April 14 2020 11: 17 New
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      No one ever caught up with anyone. Therefore, it is necessary not to “catch up”, but to run across.
  26. prior April 14 2020 12: 03 New
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    The state of Russian microelectronics is cancer in the fourth stage.
    "Patient" on mechanical ventilation ....
    Turn off the VP and him kirdyk.
    1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 22: 02 New
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      But almost nothing is being done in the country in this area, so we will never catch up even the Chinese in electronics. It’s sad to admit it - but we lagged behind here forever.
  27. dgonni April 14 2020 12: 21 New
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    The author is certainly handsome. All you need to know about the scarf in the photo! (http://o-ili-v.ru/wiki/NeuroMatrix). If simpler, then the development of the furry 90s with the wildest outdated parameters! And the author gives it out for some kind of breakthrough and reduction of the backlog? Do not tell knowledgeable people!
    All you need to know about the Silicon EL Bryansk company is this! Purely for understanding people, two datasheets for mikruhi! (http://group-kremny.ru/upload/iblock/d27/d27ca1b4199cb41ce02fbeee1b6439cf.pdf), (http://group-kremny.ru/upload/iblock/3ce/3ce2c8f20c47e4168dee0d51e11cde7d.pdf). The amount of gold used in mikruh, its size and parameters are simply impressive. For gold, this is the dream of a warrant officer from the USSR. Not the 155th series essno but in the West this was produced just 30 years ago. I have everything about import substitution and reducing the backlog of domestic microelectronics.
    1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 14: 14 New
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      You can look for other boards is not a problem.
      1. dgonni April 14 2020 14: 34 New
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        Everything is there. Which is very sad.
    2. DmitrijT April 14 2020 16: 12 New
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      2013 development processor: nm6406 (1879ВМ5Я) was developed in 2013. It is a high-performance digital signal processing microprocessor with a vector-conveyor VLIW / SIMD architecture based on the patented 64-bit NeuroMatrix® processor core
      The clock frequency is 320 MHz. CMOS technology is 90 nm. "So there is no need here for 90, they also have newer assemblies.
      1. dgonni April 14 2020 17: 33 New
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        Do you even understand that you wrote something? Development of 2013 with such parameters? The ancient bark of 2 oaks produced since 2006 had frequencies from 1,06-3,50 GHz at CMOS 65-45 nm! Well, all of a sudden! Intel Core i7 released since 2008 has a CMOS of 45-14 and frequencies under 4 GHz! This is what suggests that microelectronics is no longer 5 years or 10 or even 15 years behind. She lagged behind forever in the form in which she is now produced all over the world! The only thing science can do in Russia is to create a computer on new principles, which will also be available like a regular one, but on a different base in terms of electronic components.
        1. Ua3qhp April 14 2020 18: 09 New
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          And the fact that these are processors for different tasks do you not take into account?
          If a regular i7 spends a typical operation for DSP, multiplication plus addition of up to 16 clock cycles. then the DSP processor makes them up to 25 per clock cycle. These are not advantages or disadvantages - these are also specialization features.
          By the way, the aforementioned microcontroller 1921 VK028 can quite compete in performance with PII.
          In principle, we can run Win 95 on us. But this is a MICROCONTROLLER, not a processor.
          1. dgonni April 14 2020 18: 39 New
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            The fact that it is being promoted as a microcontroller does not cancel the fact that it is an ordinary processor, albeit for specific tasks. I have already unsubscribed for the level of implementation. The Bronze Age in one word. At that time, when in other countries for solving specific tasks, something like this kind of SW26010 is used - a 260-core processor, and it is implemented at a completely different technological level.
    3. Aag
      Aag April 14 2020 18: 10 New
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      A bearded joke: Soviet scientists released an IMS superior in its parameters to foreign samples, unlike them it has not only 14 legs, but also two carrying handles!
      Then, with a share of self-irony, it was possible to laugh at it. Now, in my opinion, not to laugh. I would like to make a mistake ...
      1. itarnmag April 14 2020 19: 01 New
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        Once in the days of the USSR, such a sad joke was broadcast on radio or TV (I don’t remember exactly). From the speech of the director of production of computer technology: "Our plant has mastered the production of the world's largest microcalculators"
        1. Fan-fan April 14 2020 22: 07 New
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          The USSR even made such microcalculators, but does modern Russia make calculators?
          1. Vadim237 April 15 2020 00: 38 New
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            Does something better "Technopolis GS" is a private Russian technology park created by GS Group in Gusev, Kaliningrad Region. It includes a production zone, research and educational centers, a residential zone; the area is 230 hectares.

            From 2008 to 2014, several production facilities were opened in the technopark, including GS Nanotech (microelectronics production), Digital TV Systems NGO (produces more than 2,5 million digital set-top boxes per year - 2% of the global volume of similar products)
            GS Group (until 2013 - General Satellite, General Satellite) - a Russian company, a manufacturer of equipment for the reception of digital television. Founded in 1991 in St. Petersburg, it was originally engaged in the installation of satellite dishes, in 2002 built a line for the production of Humax receivers in St. Petersburg and was engaged in the distribution and maintenance of Humax receivers. Since 2007, production facilities are located in Gusev, is the main investor in the Technopolis GS production complex.

            The president and main owner is Andrey Tkachenko, it is believed that Tkachenko is also the main owner of the Russian satellite television operator Tricolor-TV

            Develops, manufactures and distributes satellite, cable and terrestrial television receivers, IP-receivers for television signals (such as EPG generators, conditional access systems). Among the manufactured equipment are receivers for the Tricolor TV and NTV-plus systems with an integrated conditional access system, digital terrestrial receivers for Russian digital broadcasting standards, including those with support for high-definition television. Since 2012, owns 51% of the shares of pay-TV operator in Cambodia.

            In 2012, the company invested in a project to create a timber processing complex in the Dedovichi district of the Pskov region with a total value of 3,1 billion rubles.

            In February 2018, the production of SSD drives was launched at the GS Nanotech enterprise in Technopolis GS
    4. Zaits April 14 2020 22: 34 New
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      Quote: dgonni
      Purely for understanding people, two datasheets for mikruhi!


      It seems that you yourself poorly understand what you gave links to.
      Here is greetings from the 90s from the American flagship:
      http://www.ti.com/product/UC1834-SP/technicaldocuments
      This is from the Satellite electrical power system section. That is, for space.

      Quote: dgonni
      The amount of gold used in mikruh ...


      TI will also cover the still-produced UC1834 in the CDIP package with the layer of gold you need. So what?

      The problems of Russian electronics are far from the gold-plated conclusions of microcircuits for specials. application. And not even in the years of development and technological standards of silicon microcircuits.

      The problem is that some things have to be lifted from scratch. Much has already been done, but there are still too many remaining gaps. And all these gaps lie far from the surface. For amateurs, they are practically invisible.

      And if we talk about microcircuits, then the situation with Russian silicon microelectronics looks much more encouraging than that at the end of the Soviet regime.

      Soviet microelectronics could not actually overcome the 3 micron technological barrier. Most of the sought-after clones of the i8086 type and others like them existed mainly on paper. With the "deviations" sadness was also enough. Ultimately, they tried to develop under the Soviet clones, and then put the import. If the currency for them "suddenly" was found, essno. And when at least something started to work with the clones, nobody needed them anymore. Familiar firsthand, if that (this is especially for comrades with Stalin on the profile picture).

      Current Russian chips from Milander, Elvis, the same Module, etc. - These are normal serial products of a very decent industrial class. Well, the special segment. application. From what is, everything is very decent. Even the documentation and those. support is sometimes quite.
      Yes, there are segments where there are still only tears. But not all at once. You can tear yourself up.

      P.S. And yes, do not call microcircuits "microchips."
      Even for the average hand of a specialist, this is bad form.
      1. dgonni April 14 2020 23: 13 New
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        Well, if you consider that having bought a line 20 years ago for the production of ancient technological processes, a breakthrough, then you are still right. But if you look at what is being produced in other countries at the moment, the abyss of lag is visible to the naked eye.
        If you compare the control units of the CNC Siemens ancient 95-2000 and modern. Then the level of progress in terms of minitarization directly catches the eye. And there is industry class electronics. Not space and not military. But it has been done efficiently and forever. And the size of the keys and other control microelectronics has decreased by a factor. At the same time, the principle of construction remained the same. And more importantly, the cost of the rack has actually decreased. However, as well as related software.
        1. Zaits April 16 2020 23: 14 New
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          having bought a line of 20 years ago for the production of ancient technological processes by a breakthrough, you are still right.

          And who was talking about a breakthrough? This is you at the wrong place.
          And if we talk about the production of microcircuits, then this is not only a "line".
          By the way, Mikron did finish those. process up to the still quite relevant 65 nm.
          There would be feed in the horse, but that's another story.

          Quote: dgonni
          If you compare the control units of the CNC Siemens ancient 95-2000 and modern. Then the level of progress in terms of minitarization directly catches the eye. And there is industry class electronics.


          Yeah, now it’s clear where you get your knowledge of electronics from ...
          Wikipedia, I suppose.

          Generally speaking, the "mini-thification" for the "industry" is no longer a question. The main volume of microcircuits for industrial applications is produced according to technological standards of 90-40 nm. Just because it is optimally priced, functional and powerful. And even then, the classic “signaling devices” and processors oriented to network applications moved mostly at 40 nm or so.

          The only exception widely used in prom. segment and jerked at 16/14 nm, it is FPGA. Although this is more relevant for very productive chips focused on processing, switching and transferring large amounts of data. And on these 14 nm FPGAs, some almost broke, while actually failing 20 nm.
          Net "network card" also reached the level of 16/14 nm. But this is also something like a switcher on some 10 Terabits, and this is a completely different segment.
          Well, memory microcircuits also tend to decrease technological standards, but this thing is universal, massive, it is used in all segments.

          So much for the "industry".
  28. Undecim April 14 2020 13: 11 New
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    “Typically, such statements are made, as a rule, by people who are far from being professionals in this very specific and requiring special knowledge issue” - said in his article a specialist and the owner of knowledge in this matter, the propagandist Kharaluzhny.
    1. Zaits April 14 2020 22: 46 New
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      If propaganda were still sensible. And so, the article is about nothing.
      1. Undecim April 14 2020 22: 48 New
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        Does this author have articles about what?
  29. Alexander Sosnitsky April 14 2020 13: 44 New
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    I do not believe electronics is the art of Michelangelo, Caruso, de Vinci of our times. In reality, this is unattainable, but it is necessary to undertake to surpass. Victory begins with defeat.
    1. iouris April 14 2020 13: 55 New
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      No, admit defeat - this is unthinkable. Moreover, Rogozin himself some ten years ago promised to quickly resolve all these issues.
      1. Alexander Sosnitsky April 14 2020 14: 26 New
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        Then you need a coronvirus
  30. itarnmag April 14 2020 18: 57 New
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    It is doubtful. They praise the start of production of quad-core processors. This lag is not at five years old but at least fifteen
    1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 39 New
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      There are developments. Researchers from Lobachevsky University have created a new version of the memristor based on the metal-oxide-metal layered structure. The development will find application in storage devices. The results are published in the journal Advanced Materials Technologies.

      Memristors are devices that can change resistance depending on the current flowing. The hysteresis phenomenon observed in the memristor makes it possible to use it as a memory cell. It is assumed that in some cases, memristors will be able to replace transistors.

      However, the mass use of memristive devices is hindered by the lack of reproducibility of their parameters. This scatter in the metal – oxide – metal structures is determined by the stochastic nature of the movement of oxygen ions or oxygen vacancies near the metal / oxide interface and is complicated by a change in the structure parameters in the case of uncontrolled oxygen exchange.

      Traditionally, to control the memristive effect, scientists form special electric field concentrators and select the structure of materials and interfaces in the memristor. But usually at the same time the technological process is greatly complicated and more expensive.

      In a new work, scientists supported by a grant from the Russian Science Foundation first used a combined approach. They combined materials of conductive electrodes with a certain affinity for oxygen and oxide layers of various compositions, as well as metal nanoclusters, which served as electric field concentrators.

      For their work, scientists have created a multilayer structure, which consists of sequentially arranged layers of tantalum, tantalum oxide TaOx, zirconium oxide doped with yttrium ZrO2 (Y), tantalum oxide (V) Ta2O5, titanium dioxide TiO2 and titanium nitride TiN.

      In the course of the study of the created material, scientists found that the stabilization of resistive states in it is facilitated by the presence of grain boundaries in zirconium oxide ZrO2 as the preferred sites for filament nucleation, the presence of nanoclusters as field concentrators in the Ta2O5 film and the exchange of oxygen between oxide layers at the TiN interface.
  31. TOR2 April 14 2020 22: 00 New
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    According to experts, Russia is hardly worth striving to “catch up” or “overtake” other countries in an area that is not now and is unlikely to become its strong point - the mass production of microelectronic components for, so to say, consumer goods.

    Here for such specialists, a broom would be where in the trash. In the early 90s, a huge amount of consumer goods poured into the country. But if you look at the technical characteristics of the imported "balalaika", then at best they were comparable to what was produced in the USSR. Of course, interesting specimens also appeared, but they also cost simply indecent money. If our manufacturers had a household and, accordingly, cheaper elemental base, the euphoria of the average person about “foreign” wonders would end rather quickly.
    1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 23: 31 New
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      Yeah, it's like talking about our Zhegul in the 90s to say that it was at best comparable to Mercedes E 124. The same thing with electronics - they produced rubbish in everything, and the little that was at the Electronics level MK 90 copy-paste from the Japanese CASIO was worth piece of a spaceship.
      1. TOR2 April 15 2020 19: 49 New
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        The competition was bad in the electronics market inside the USSR, but you are right in the automotive market, full of seams. As an example: it so happened that in the early 90s was bought "Lighthouse", and then "Sony". Instructions were attached to the devices from those. characteristics. “Beacon” from “Sony” lagged neither too much. The downside was that the Lighthouse could not calibrate the tapes before recording. Without breakdowns, “Sony” worked for 7 years, “Lighthouse” 9. Both devices were operated under the same conditions.
    2. andrew42 April 17 2020 15: 54 New
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      It's right. The domestic electronics industry was killed in the bud, and maliciously. However, with all other industries, weakly associated with the "oil industry". What else to expect from huckster-privatizators-? 2 bucks in your pocket today / 2 lard rubles of “fixed assets” to the wind (the macroeconomic “tomorrow” is not interesting) .. I remembered the cassette-bar “Rhythm” - it still works, though the cassettes are withered. Imported balalaikas have long died, even Sonya portable disk recorder lived for 4 years (without dragging, clean at home).
  32. NordUral April 15 2020 12: 15 New
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    Do not be fooled, author.
    At the same time, the moment, for example, is overlooked that the first “smart machine”, which could justifiably be classified as a computer in continental Europe, was created in the USSR in 1950. Yes, even under Comrade Stalin ... And after 3 years in Moscow, the production of the first serial Strela computer was already mastered. However, this is the whole story. However, the roots of the current state of the domestic microelectronic industry lie in it, both its successes and weaknesses.

    It was the golden age of our electronics, as well as much more. It is a pity that it was ruined by a stupid government.
  33. Tochilka April 15 2020 15: 22 New
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    About a fifth of Micron's products for export ... Strong. The plant is dying. Thanks to the "effective." Angstrom is dying too.
  34. Reklastik April 16 2020 03: 44 New
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    A great specialist in microelectronics wrote ... "Zero ... We have no equal ..." Hmm. He revealed the reasons and indicated the ways.
  35. AB0877 April 16 2020 11: 44 New
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    The article mentions STC "Module" and its development. Previously, there were articles in Red Star and Kommersant (90s). He headed the "Module" with 98g Yu.I. Borisov, yes the same one. He had previously oversaw it along with A. Galitsky. The development of architecture and software is domestic, but the production ... alas. I remember exactly that the production license bought Fujitsa and paid royalties for this. I’m afraid that we won’t pull domestic production. Zelenograd is torn between a native of the Ministry of Communications and the “effective” from Sistema.
    PS I remember Yu Borisov even in the Starleys epaulettes, and then often crossed paths.
  36. Eroma April 17 2020 00: 32 New
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    Dreaming is not bad! Harmful not to dream! And there you look and places will come true, if you try hard
  37. andrew42 April 17 2020 15: 45 New
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    A simple question for the author: where are the industrial controllers for building domestic CNC machines? So when I don’t have to look for where it is cheaper to order such a “Panasonic” for the machine, then the conversation will be at least somehow meaningful. And so, empty bragging .... Microelectronics is either an economic (!) Industry or not. Single "sprouts" do not count. Our bourgeoisie will not be able to develop this industry for the reason that development requires the simultaneous construction of a production and technological chain of enterprises, from various manufacturers of electronic components to industrial controllers (hereinafter “machine operators” themselves will understand), and consumer electronics. This is only possible for state-owned enterprises, where, according to the state program, a lot of dough will be poured in a short time, and it should not be sawn. Looking at the story with the Vostochny Cosmodrome, one can confidently say that the country does not have basic objective conditions for the development of electronics, even micro-, even nano-, even transistor - the ruling elite has no interest, it’s not oil and not gas for sale.
  38. andrew42 April 17 2020 16: 07 New
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    Most of the sought-after clones of the i8086 type and others like them existed mainly on paper.

    Too bent. K1821 is an analog of i80186, - I did a diploma on it in 1993. K1810 was quite what is called "outstanding". Another thing is that Soviet microelectronics could then not keep pace with those leaps and bounds when new Intel and Stumps started to pour in (in a good way) every year. But, this is not provable. There were cadres, young specialists - a wagon with a trolley, with proper command and administrative order from the state, the Intel crew could well wash it. The state is gone, that’s where the problem is.
  39. Ua3qhp April 18 2020 15: 10 New
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    Quote: andrew42
    Where are the industrial controllers for building domestic CNC machines?

    Where?
    True to microelectronics, this issue is of indirect importance.
    Microelectronic "filling" for these controllers is produced domestically.
    Who will do the actual controller.
  40. aries2200 April 19 2020 04: 07 New
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    need to connect Chubais .... things will go quickly ........................................ ..