The Czech President called Russia's reaction to the demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev “interference in the affairs of the Czech Republic”

The Czech President commented on the decision of the municipality of Prague-6 regarding the demolition of the monument to Soviet Marshal Ivan Konev. Milos Zeman made his statement on the television channel Prima.

According to Zeman, those who made the decision to demolish the monument seem to have forgotten that Ivan Konev freed from the Nazis not only Prague, but also prisoners of the Auschwitz death camp (Auschwitz).

Miloš Zeman:

This is both stupid and funny. After all, those who dismantle the sculpture themselves do not represent anything. They have not achieved anything in their life. They are simply envious of those who have achieved a lot.

At the same time, the Czech president criticized the position of the Russian Federation. Recall that in Russia they promised not to leave the demolition of the monument unanswered, after which a criminal case was opened.

Zeman:

I can’t call the reaction of Russia to what happened adequate. Indeed, the initiation of a criminal case in this case can be considered an interference in the internal affairs of the Czech Republic. This is an unproductive reaction.

The monument to Marshal Konev was dismantled on April 3. The Russian Ministry of Defense asked the Czech authorities to hand over the monument to Moscow, but the Czech Foreign Ministry said that "the monument cannot be returned, since it belongs to the Prague municipality."

Recall that earlier Milos Zeman was going to arrive in Moscow for the parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory.

Comments

[Catholic]

statement by Milos Zeman

Zeman ... I did not expect such a statement from you ... I did not expect at all ... Although all of you there are "Europeans".

Indeed, the initiation of a criminal case in this case can be considered an interference in the internal affairs of the Czech Republic

[Horst78]

Quote: Catholic

Zeman ... I did not expect such a statement from you ... I did not expect it at all ..

I agree. how

Although all of you are there "Europeans".

sits on 2 chairs.

[knn54]

One opinion expressed as a person. The second post is binding.
And something remembered Mauro Orbini "Slavic kingdom" - there were three brothers, Rus, Czech and Lech.
There were ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: knn54

And something remembered Mauro Orbini "Slavic kingdom" - there were three brothers, Rus, Czech and Lech.

In the same 1918 he entered bolshevik party, was elected a county military commissioner in the city of Nikolsk, Vologda province. After that, he fought in the ranks of the Red Army on the Eastern Front against units of the Russian Army, the Far Eastern Army and Japanese interventionists in Transbaikalia and the Far East. He was the commissar of the armored train number 102 "Grozny", which was armed with 4 guns and 12 machine guns. The team totaled 60 sailors of the Baltic Fleet. The armored train was part of the 3rd and 5th armies of the Eastern Front. When attacking Omsk, he led the crossing of an armored train on the ice of the Irtysh River. Since the end of 1919 has been Commissioner 5th Infantry Brigade of the 2nd Verkhneudinsky Infantry Division, from 1920 - Commissioner of this division, from 1921 - Commissioner of the headquarters of the People's Revolutionary Army of the Far Eastern Republic. Among others delegates of the X Congress of the RCP (B.) took part in the suppression of the Kronstadt uprising in 1921.

Brother Cech demolished the monument to Konev. Brother Rus betrayed Konev, destroyed his country and the work of his whole life. Question ... Who is the big fault before Konev? If for me, Brother Rus is much more guilty ...

[Tatyana]

Zeman:

I can’t call the reaction of Russia to what happened adequate. Indeed, the initiation of a criminal case in this case can be considered interference in the internal affairs of the Czech Republic. This is an unproductive reaction.

Let’s see how Zeman will talk about Czech interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation if the Russians demolish monuments to white whales in the Russian Federation!

[mole]

Get behind the monuments. Let those who set
If you are interested in what this or that character will say, it’s enough to talk to him. If communication took place, then most likely without his desire. With special perseverance, hear anything your soul desires. Then you can be proud and put it on public display.

[Alex Justice]

Their country is up to them. If Russia decides to remove the monuments to the whites, so be it.

[Fan-fan]

That's right, they are at home and do what they want. But our reaction suffered shameful, again "expressed concern." They opened a criminal case, they would not make people laugh, their hands against the Czechs are short, how many such cases have already been brought up against Ukrainians on the Maidan, on the events in Odessa, and what, where is the result. Zilch Here and here everything will end in zilch. It was just necessary to react somehow, so they "farted".

[Fantazer911]

Lannan Shi.

You are wrong, they saved you from the brown plague, gave your ancestors life, liberated your ancestors from the concentration camps, you now live in the land of the USSR, Russia, and you wouldn’t be there and you would be a slave! If your ancestors survived and gave you life!
You’re minus from me! Sorry, but it deservedly!

[Pushkar]

Quote: Fantazer911

You are wrong, you were saved from the brown plague

Well, what they saved there, they happily lay under the Germans in 1938, so only on May 10, 1945, Skoda stopped making military equipment for the Germans.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: knn54

One opinion expressed as a person ..

Yes, he expressed his personal attitude to the demolition of the monument.
A -

Quote: knn54

The second post is binding.

, it's not really from "post".
The fact is that the Czechs erected the monument, not us. They removed it. This is their own business. Yes, I personally am bitter and offended, - my father took part in the liberation of Prague, but ...
I think it would be more ethical to express my regret over the demolition of the monument and indicate that they are not destroying the memory of Konev, but the memory of fascism. And this is the first step to returning it.
Our democratizers, how many monuments have been demolished. And nothing to them. But they should be "involved" in full.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Catholic

Zeman ... I did not expect such a statement from you ... I did not expect at all ... Although all of you there are "Europeans".

so what was "not expected?", Zeman is right, the monument to Konev was made and erected by the local municipality and this is his property, so I will paint a picture "Putin is Crimea home", I will hang it on my house wall, then I will shoot me also write down the "Europeans"?

[Lelek]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

"Putin-Crimea home"

Isn't that how the "enlightened Europeans" behave? You can hang and shoot a picture at least a hundred times a day in your private home, but the monument to the man who saved Prague from destruction by fascist vandals is another matter with political overtones. And I am ashamed of Rusich for the behavior of the Czechs. And do not try to justify the authorities who gave the shameful order, especially those who presented the bill to Konev's relatives.

[Nehist]

Aren't you ashamed of your compatriots? When, with a wild roar and in a drunken stupor on Lubyanka, the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished? Or do we see Chekhov's mote and we don’t notice a log in our eye?

[tolancop]

They demolished the monument to Dzerzhinsky. And it was "in a drunken stupor." True, it was a long time ago ... And this is OUR monument and stood at US. Incl. it is up to us to decide and answer. And it is not for the Czechs, who worked for Germany until the last day of the war, to open their stinking mouths and demolish monuments to OUR commanders. And for reference - no one renamed the cities named after Dzerzhinsky. And the motor ship "Felix Dzerzhinsky" did not change its name on the way. Maybe something else related to the FED keeps his name. And in this case, the dismantling of the monument by the Czechs was DEMONSTRATIVE. Incl. I think it's time to reconsider our too kind attitude towards the monuments to foreigners, whom no one called to our land ... Otherwise, something too many of them has multiplied. And we are all kind ... we are afraid of offending someone ... And then we are surprised: "Are they wiping dirty and smelly feet about us? .."

[Lelek]

Quote: Nehist

When, with a wild roar and in a drunken stupor on Lubyanka, the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished?

And this is also a shame, but in the article that we are discussing, we are talking about the monument to Konev, this is in the first place. And secondly, learn to be polite to vi-za-vi and do not "poke" everyone in a row.

[72jora72]

Aren't you ashamed of your compatriots? When, with a wild roar and in a drunken stupor on Lubyanka, the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished?

Not much time will pass, and it will be put in place.

[Nehist]

I would like to believe! But alas, not with this power

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Nehist

with a wild roar and in a drunken stupor on Lubyanka, a monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished?

finally, his liberda demolished !!!

[Nehist]

So there the same liberda blows !!!

[hydrox]

There is a different liberda, Russophobic in genesis and hostile in education by the "elder brother".
Our liberda is different, similar to "wild yeast", which is good only in road dust, lying on wild apricots in southern plantings and giving a wonderful effect when fermenting raw materials - then they are thrown away ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hydrox

There is a different liberda, Russophobic in genesis and hostile in education by the "elder brother".

actually our liberda is a continuation of their liberda ... they hate Russia, they hate people !!!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Nehist

So there the same liberda blows !!!

do not confuse the Nazis with liberda !! at least .... they have similarities !!

[hydrox]

This is how political philosophy defines Nazism as "the highest form of libertarianism" (in the Russian reading of "liberalism" )

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Lelek

but the monument to the man who saved Prague from destruction by fascist vandals is a different matter with political overtones.

so they made it and they put it !!

Quote: Lelek

And I am ashamed of Rusich for the behavior of the Czechs.

I'm not ashamed, I despise them for this

Quote: Lelek

And do not try to justify the authorities,

I didn’t even think of justifying such freaks, only from a LEGAL point of view - they are free to do what they consider necessary with their property

[4ekist]

Everything was initially predictable, there is nothing to be surprised at. Everything was approved "from above".

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 4ekist

Everything was initially predictable, there is nothing to be surprised at. Everything was approved "from above".

And what was predictable? Digging out from the mention of the history of the World War II in the name of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin? Renaming of Stalingrad to Volgograd? Gorbachev’s surrender of all socialist values ​​and their replacement with "Western democracy" with a guilty plea for imperfect crimes? Gang coup and established EBN mode? Issued "take freedom as you want"? Drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum?
Excuse me, if the Russian authorities, who believed in the "Solzhenitsyn" truths and art documents, put some blame on the country for historical events that did not exist, then what should Europeans do, whose conscience found a place between the left toe and the big toe right?
But such an outcome of events is quite predictable. In our case, it is not known how much more dirt and crap will be poured onto our country with the connivance of the ruling authorities, their kind "partners" ...
The author forgot to indicate that Konev was a Hero of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, which imposes some obligations on the Czech authorities ... Although, what am I talking about? After all, we also do not honor all the Heroes of the Soviet Union, and the Generalissimo in the country have long ended ...

[knn54]

This has already happened. When Khrushchev made a report on the cult of personality.
In France, Italy and a number of other countries, the Communists dominated the parliament, had ministerial portfolios. And everything collapsed. The parties lost their authority, the former Trotskyists became general secretaries. And China, Albania practically moved away from the socialist camp.
The Hungarian events of 1956 and the "Prague Spring" of 1968 are also a consequence of the above events.
After criticism of Lenin, Stalin, the USSR by Putin and the refusal of the Duma to condemn Gorbachev. EBN do not be surprised at ANYTHING.

[Thrifty]

The usual two-faced pseudo-politician, seeking profit from everything. Like many Euroguide managers, it does not have a clear position on all issues, because they have already developed the reflex of the US State Department to bark at Russia, always, and everywhere!

[Doccor18]

Demolished the monument
Marshal Konev.
Milos Zeman said ....
Everyone knows Marshal Konev!
Now Milos knows.
Europeans, only by tearing down monuments, can PR themselves.

[Military Builder]

Now Milos knows.

"You can't be famous for good deeds." (c) Old woman Shapoklyak

[mitroha]

The situation once again shows that there are adequate people, and there are many, perhaps most. But activity inadequate has recently exceeded all boundaries.

[forester1971]

I have to rush around. The reaction - both yours and ours, although at present Zeman is one of the least Russophobic politicians in Eastern Europe, but in his position he decides almost nothing.

[krillon]

It is not clear how Russia can answer. Regardless of our relationship, let's look at the situation from the side. The monument is not a military burial, right? So leave or clean in their right. Do we have such monuments, if so, consider moving to museums, storerooms. For some reason, they think that Europe owes us something, it has been replaced by more than rulers on one and the other hand, the current ones have their own point of view, so you won’t go far on the trolley of the past. It’s time for us to conclude that the service provided is worth nothing and be guided exclusively by our interests. And we still impose the ideas of internationalism. Who to help? Slovakia, Slovenia, Italy, etc., etc. Poke your nose who helped us, I’ll read it with pleasure.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krillon

Poke your nose who helped us, I’ll read it with pleasure.

The Japanese raised something about 21 thousand dollars when we had a flood in the Far East. Or 22 thousand, I don’t really remember. So there!

[30143]

This, of course, is a blatant affair!
But, this is a foreign country. And it was necessary to interfere in her affairs differently. Take and redeem from the municipality ...
Well, they want to mess up before May 9th.
And you must punish quietly or silently.
And we have, as always, a cry, a guard, etc.
In the end, as always.
But how to punish?
For example, let Sberbank stop issuing loans at 0.5 percent.
Take money from the Czech Republic, sell real estate there, collapse the markets ...
But quiet, elegant and beautiful, as with the transit of goods through the Baltic.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: 30143

This, of course, is a blatant affair!
And it is necessary to punish quietly or silently .... quietly, elegantly and beautifully, as with the transit of goods through the Baltic states.

Just do not stretch in time as with the Baltic states, it was too stretched: the pipe of four years was probably turned off ...

[tol100v]

Double standards sound so! Even from Zeman. So I want to ask a question: The monument was demolished? What's next?

[Mytholog]

This means that to erect monuments to white-collar workers in Russia is not an interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation, but a monument to Konev to protect from vandalism is interference.
I see, not far from the Poles, in their ingratitude, they left ...
Yes, and this Zeman, I must admit, like a weather vane in the wind - he wants to adapt to everyone.

[30143]

Why was it allowed? Take and with a certain sauce and demolish.

[Rzzz]

It is also impossible to demolish, because immediately the cry will rise, how is it that Russia blames us, and it itself also demolishes the monuments.

[30143]

Eye for an eye.
Soak in the toilet.

[Fan-fan]

I understand that it is offensive, but calm down. It is useless to make noise, and the criminal case instituted by our investigative committee is generally a shame, showing the level of our lawyers, since there are no legal grounds for the "case". First, this monument is completely their property. Secondly - the monuments to the White Czechs, which they instructed in Russia, so this is for their own money and under an agreement, and this agreement was signed by our government.
Well, stop crying here, behave like a jealous wife, from whom her husband escaped.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Fan-Fan

showing the level of our lawyers, since there are no legal grounds for the "case".

rather, it shows your level of intelligence ... the demolition of the monument was accompanied by the rehabilitation of Nazism ... here you have it !!

[Chingachguk]

It is foolish and ridiculous to consider President Milos Zemon. He could not gain respect for himself
and his position. Some sort of district-level clerk wanted to spit on the president’s opinion. Accordingly, the statements of the so-called president also have no significance. Someone barking there barking, well, let him barking, I wouldn’t ask for a lick to eat ....

[tol100v]

Quote: Chingachguk

Someone barking there barking, well, let him barking, I wouldn’t ask for a lick to eat ....

And all the barking and all actions are paid by the State Department!

[krillon]

In order to say so, one must know their structure of power and authority. It is possible that all of his powers to be a best man at a wedding, I exaggerate of course, too lazy to seek. And if it is in the right of those who ordered then everything is legal and the president does not have the authority to interfere in the affairs of the municipality. Is Dodon also the president of Moldova? No, of course he can put on a suit with a tie and fly to Moscow with an important view. It would be worthwhile on our part to consider the legality of finding monuments, memorial plaques, especially since there are sufficient grounds for removing them.

[Chingachguk]

And why then such a person and such a position are needed if, apart from chatting, he does not solve anything ??? That is why I wrote that his barking is his main job, and you should not even pay attention to this lackey country.
As for Dodon, I agree with you. This is significant for all those who want parliament to rule their country. Most of this parliament with Romanian passports, they are not at all interested in Moldova itself and its problems, they are sharpened exclusively to oppose the Russian world. Moldovan laws allow the president to be temporarily removed from office if he does not agree with the adoption of a particular law, action or appointment by the Moldovan parliament. So Dodon is the real "Wedding General". I don’t know how Russia should behave correctly with countries where “the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing at the moment,” and the “lower back” in such countries, generally lives a separate life .......

[Pyctam]

Well, actually in a democratic country it should be so. The president is the guarantor and the head. But it has no right to decide what to do with the property of the municipality

[VladVlad]

Why are we tender with our enemies? Prohibit the import of Czech goods and products. Close tourism, all connections. Close all joint ventures. Spit on these "brothers of the Slavs". There is not a drop of Slavic blood, there is no Slavic brotherhood.

[tol100v]

Quote: VladVlad

Close tourism, all connections.

Stupid! See for yourself where the Czechs are, and where are the favorites from .....!

[Avior]

Close tourism

Spit on these "brothers of the Slavs"

already completed

[Lord of the Sith]

Zeman also likes to thump. May 9th)
Is conscience tormenting?

[tol100v]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Zeman also likes to thump

On May 9, I also allow myself!

[Lord of the Sith]

You are not the president, therefore, allow))
And getting drunk before an official event is somehow not comme il faut.

[primala]

And getting drunk before an official event is somehow not comme il faut.
==================
Not a single foreigner refuses "Russian vodka".
I remembered a joke.
Met at the reception Russian and French. So typed !!!
The next morning, the paddling pool tells his people at the embassy:
- Yesterday I drank with a Russian, I almost died. In the morning he offered to hang out, it would be better if he died yesterday. )))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So what 7 people drank for Victory. Although, our "leader" could not get out of the plane, he got so drunk ...

[krillon]

Damn, then why should we roll up to this? Those who wish can find the frames themselves with Yeltsin and Medvedev.

[petrol cutter]

What do you show them? Have a conscience gentlemen!? ..
So do not care about this word.
That's what Taldychu is all about. No one is good, he never remembers.
Everyone remembers what is convenient for them to remember.
How did the old woman Shapoklyak teach wisely?! .. We recall the animated film from the childhood of the Soviet ....

[Professor]

Indeed, the initiation of a criminal case in this case can be considered interference in the internal affairs of the Czech Republic.

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: professor

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

Even easier. The whole world is not in the jurisdiction of the United States? What are you talking about?

[Razvedka_Boem]

But the professor did emigrate, sort of to Israel. So what else can he talk about? ..)
They don’t say anything good about the USSR and Russia, although they grew up there, received an education that, I think, allowed them to settle in a foreign land.
Everything that the United States does, they do not notice or justify.
Everything that Russia does, a priori for them, is wrong, illegal and generally cannot be.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem ...

although they grew up there, they received an education that, I believe, allowed them to settle in a foreign land.

Resentment of an unrecognized genius.

[Professor]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Quote: professor

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

Even easier. The whole world is not in the jurisdiction of the United States? What are you talking about?

The US Attorney's Office does not initiate criminal proceedings regarding the demolition of monuments by municipalities of other countries. This time.
The Russian Federation does not initiate criminal proceedings in the murder of Russian citizens on the territory of Russia, i.e. outside of its jurisdiction. These are two.

[Was mammoth]

USA and right is a "huge distance". Have you noticed? However, Israel sometimes also behaves like a gopnik. Maybe that's why they didn't notice.
"MOSCOW, April 10 - RIA Novosti. The Investigative Committee of Russia opened a criminal case in connection with the dismantling of the monument to Soviet Marshal Ivan Konev in Prague, said the official representative of the department Svetlana Petrenko.
"A criminal case has been initiated on the basis of a crime <...>" desecration of the symbols of Russia's military glory committed in public, "she explained.
PS ... criminal cases in the murder of Russian citizens ....
Who was killed during the demolition of the monument to I. Konev in Prague? Explain?

[Professor]

Quote: There was a mammoth

PS ... criminal cases in the murder of Russian citizens ....
Who was killed during the demolition of the monument to I. Konev in Prague? Explain?

On June 1, 2001, at 23:27 (local time), an Arab suicide bomber from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad organization Saeed Khutori, a resident of the city of Kalkiliya, ..
died:
Maria Tagiltseva - 14 years
Evgenia Dorfman - 15 years
Raisa Nemirovskaya - 15 years
Julia Sklyanik - 15 years
Anna Kazachkova - 15 years
Katherine Castañada - 15 years
Irina Nepomnyashchaya - 16 years
Maryana Medvedenko - 16 years
Liana Sahakyan - 16 years
Marina Berkovskaya - 17 years
Simon Rudin - 17 years
Julia Nalimova - 16 years
Elena Nalimova - 18 years
Irina Osadchaya - 18 years
Alexey Lupalo - 17 years
Ilya Gutman - 19 years
Sergey Panchenko - 20 years
Roman Dzhanashvili - 21 year
Diaz Nurmanov - 21 year
Ian Bloom - Xnumx Years

The Russian Federation did not institute criminal proceedings despite the fact that most of the victims were citizens of the Russian Federation. Logically, they are not monuments, and you don’t want to quarrel with Islamic Jihad.

[user1212]

Quote: professor

The Russian Federation did not institute criminal proceedings

But Israel respected, before the Eurovision at the monument to the victims put toilets

[Professor]

Quote: user1212

But Israel respected, before the Eurovision at the monument to the victims put toilets

Correct solution. Is it better that tourists urinate not in the toilets, but at the memorial?

So where is the criminal case?

[user1212]

Quote: professor

So where is the criminal case?

Taki in Israel

Quote: professor

Correct solution. Is it better that tourists urinate not in the toilets, but at the memorial?

Do you want the sun of the promised head baked?

[Professor]

Quote: user1212

Taki in Israel

So, the Russian Federation did not start a case regarding the mass death of its citizens, but did it start a demolition of the monument?

Quote: user1212

Quote: professor
Correct solution. Is it better that tourists urinate not in the toilets, but at the memorial?

Do you want the sun of the promised head baked?

Relieving the need for the memorial is not right; the toilet is correct. Do you have difficulty understanding?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: professor

The Russian Federation did not institute criminal proceedings despite the fact that most of the victims were citizens of the Russian Federation. Logically, they are not monuments, and you don’t want to quarrel with Islamic Jihad.

Was it necessary to initiate a criminal case against the leadership of Israel that did not ensure the safety of civilians? However!

[Professor]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Quote: professor

The Russian Federation did not institute criminal proceedings despite the fact that most of the victims were citizens of the Russian Federation. Logically, they are not monuments, and you don’t want to quarrel with Islamic Jihad.

Was it necessary to initiate a criminal case against the leadership of Israel that did not ensure the safety of civilians? However!

Have you been led against yourself for not providing security in Budennovsk? Think what you write. However.

[Pushkar]

The attack you write about was committed in 2001. Now they would have definitely started a business.

[Professor]

Quote: Pushkar

The attack you write about was committed in 2001. Now they would have definitely started a business.

Has the constitution changed or are new people in power?

[Pushkar]

Quote: professor

Has the constitution changed or are new people in power?

Then they did not want ("friendship"), now the authorities have become more pragmatic.

[Pissarro]

The USA is not a legal state; it has Guantanamo, where people sit without a court verdict, which is a mockery of law. So-so example

[Pyctam]

But what about the sanctions unilaterally announced by the United States, which all countries of the world fall under? But what about the pressure on NATO "allies" to increase their contribution to the organization, which everyone hears? Well, it’s inconvenient to remember the decisions of the courts of all sorts and different in relation to other states or the actions of the State Department of the same USA in relation to the diplomatic property of the Russian Federation

[Den717]

Quote: There was a mammoth

The whole world is not in the jurisdiction of the United States? What are you talking about?

Here Girkin does not sit in prison, and does not pay millions of fines. So it is here. The case was opened, and where is the accused. In the Donbass tons of such cases without court decisions. In order to attract someone in these cases, one must either bring the accused to Russia or conquer the country and establish their own legal regime there. And Zeman, by and large, is right. They made the monument themselves, on their own (residents of Prague) money, erected it on their territory and not over the tomb of the Marshal (i.e. not a military burial place). After we reacted with tears and snot to the plowing of real graves in Poland, I am surprised that only this monument was dismantled. If, after the first incident in Poland, it were covered with sanctions, then the Czechs, looking at the experience of their neighbors, would have thought 100 times to demolish or not to demolish. We ourselves have shown the enemy our sore spot, and now we want him not to hit him? What can it be like, apart from children's simplicity and naivety?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Den717

What can it be like, apart from children's simplicity and naivety?

Unfortunately this is not naivety. This is the position of the authorities in Russia. Alas!

[Den717]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Unfortunately this is not naivety. This is the position of the authorities in Russia. Alas!

Unfortunately, I have nothing to object to.

[Pyctam]

And it never occurred to you that the position of power is characterized by the words "the dog barks - the caravan moves on."
Hedgehog it is clear that all these demolitions, transfers, dismantles, etc. aimed at achieving one single goal - to prick, hurt, salt, etc. someone who can’t do anything serious. Well, they can’t get it in any way ...

[Den717]

Quote: PYCTAM

And it never occurred to you that the position of power is characterized by the words "the dog barks - the caravan moves on."

I think that's how it should be. Only with a calm, planned movement of the caravan, it is necessary to pull out the tucked dog tails. And we have a lot of them. The Polish tail can be pulled out so that they will not just bark at the caravan, but howl in pain. That we should find "E. coli" in all those products that did not fall under the sanctions. We do not buy unique goods from the Poles, so we will cut off the entire trade from Polish sources. And Old Man must quote all "suspicious" nomenclature of goods. After all, we know how many apples, for example, Belarus can grow, subtract domestic consumption and restrict its exports on the basis of the leftovers. Czechs also have something to block, even though the same food, beer, in the end. The scheme is elementary. All that is needed is a political decision. Here it seems to me that the authorities are showing excessive liberality. It is not necessary to "slip in the big stands", it is quite possible to silently dispense with the barrier. And then they did PR to the bastard. Why, Shoigu was washed !!! ..... It's ugly ...

[iouris]

Quote: There was a mammoth

This is the position of power

In the Czech Republic, it is not power and it has no position. This is an act of humiliation to the vanquished side.

[krillon]

It is not clear what the smile expresses, sarcasm, joy? In fact, everything is true, the meaning of the demarche personally does not reach me. Why get up in a pose offended by shaking the air. There is an opportunity to answer and step on the eggs, it is necessary to use, no, to grip the teeth, put a notch. Israel’s position is more appealing to me, they don’t fight the invaders and aggressors, although a mutual score can be set. After all, the victory over Nazism is our common merit, is not it?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

Yes of course. Given the fact that everyone in principle does not care and the further the more in all sorts of jurisdictions.

[user1212]

Quote: professor

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

Criminal Code Article 243.4

[Professor]

Quote: user1212

Quote: professor

Even easier. Prague is not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and, accordingly, there can be no criminal case by definition.

Criminal Code Article 243.4

Prague is not the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

[user1212]

Quote: professor

Prague is not the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

So no one is going to detain anyone in Prague. In the event of a court decision, it can be implemented on the territory of the Russian Federation. Seizure of goods, assets, freezing of accounts, refusal of entry or transit. There may be "unofficial sanctions". There are many options

[Pyctam]

Quite pragmatic

[Say Tooth]

Professor, you say the right words, but to listen is disgusting.

[Was mammoth]

Will it come to the reaction of our President to the demolition of the monument to I. Konev? As no 75 years is going to celebrate.
In the meantime, it would be nice to see the reaction to the monuments to the Czechoslovak Legion, part of the French occupation corps in Russia, marked by atrocities and robberies in our municipalities. " Debt good turn deserves another". Maybe you should collect them in one pile? Or their indispensable attribute should be what unkind trace they left in Russia? By the way, this also applies to the Polish monuments in Katyn and the Italian fascists in Rossosh.
Monuments to the Czechoslovak volunteer corps should be in Galicia, in present-day Ukraine, where they fought. No way in Siberia. There they were invaders.

[boris]

There is such an answer - carefully dismantle all the monuments
whites in Russia and offer Prague to exchange them for
Monument to Konev.

[Pardus]

Quote: borys

carefully dismantle all the monuments
whites

There is such an option. But this requires political will. So we with "partners" try not to quarrel, but to conduct a dialogue.

[Same lech]

but the Czech Foreign Ministry stated that "you cannot return the monument, since it belongs to the Prague municipality."

They advertise Czech beer with the Czech king on TV ... you watch it after the video about the demolition of the monument to Konev ... I want to pour this Czech beer on the head of the Czech king ... I will not buy Czech goods in protest against the demolition of the monument.

[Incvizitor]

There is one name from Czech beer, but they make it out of sight here.

[Pyctam]

I support. Personal sanctions. The main thing is that people like you should be more indifferent and dissenting. And then no "political will" will be needed. It's bad that "there is no agreement between us." Follow the example of the Chinese. I don’t remember the details, but on the whole, the French made something up there and the Chinese simply boycotted French goods and the chain of the largest French supermarkets. As a result, multimillion-dollar losses and public apologies from the French ...

[syndicalist]

Actually, the monument is not demolished, but transferred.

[really]

You will not be heard

[Same lech]

Actually, the monument is not demolished, but transferred.

Actually, the monument is demolished ... the amount does not change from the change of terms.

[Pissarro]

In Georgia, the monument to Stalin has been transferred for many years. This is an argument for stupid men)

[user1212]

Quote: syndicalist

Actually, the monument is not demolished, but transferred.

Where are they transferring? To the museum, to the warehouse. Conclusion: the monument is demolished

[syndicalist]

To the museum, but not to the scrap metal warehouse. Despite the fact that the Czechs have real complaints specifically against Konev in the theme of the Prague spring. Each nation has its own sores that should not be picked. Do not insist on a monument to Ermolov in Grozny or Ivan the Terrible in Kazan. Genghis Khan and Mamai are the national heroes of the Mongols, but one cannot hear them indignant at the lack of a monument in Ryazan, with which they also have a common history.

[user1212]

Quote: syndicalist

Despite the fact that the Czechs have real complaints specifically against Konev in the theme of the Prague spring

We also have complaints about both the Belachekhs and the Czech volunteers in the ranks of the Wehrmacht and the SS there.
But on the whole, your claim to the position of the Russian Federation is not clear. If they have the right to demolish a monument, then we have the right to respond as we see fit.

[syndicalist]

Yes, any country and Russia and the Czech Republic have the right to act as they see fit. If in Chita there was a monument to the white-collars, the right of Russia and the Chitins to demolish it.

[user1212]

Quote: syndicalist

If in Chita there was a monument to the white whales, the right of Russia and the Chitins to demolish it

Vooot, and the Czechs have the right to react to this as they want. This is happening

[Lawyer]

Demolition of the monument to Konev is a planned political action and provocation.
If this were not a provocation, then there would be no noise.
We would have found a reason to dismantle it and suggested we pick it up. And that’s all.
And here it is specially necessary to humiliate.

[Pardus]

Quote: Lawyer

Demolition of the monument to Konev is a planned political action and provocation.

You are definitely right. And the time was specially chosen for the demolition of the monument.

[Amateur]

earlier Milos Zeman was going to arrive in Moscow for the parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory.

Do not let it go. Nafig he gave up with his Natsik.

[Pardus]

Quote: Amateur

Do not let it go.

I think if the parade due to the coronavirus is not canceled, Zeman will not be close to it.

[Pyctam]

Although for me it’s better to let it go. Only a place for him to allocate on the platform of veterans. And so say what will be next to them. Well, forget about it. By the time he leaves, his whole life will fly by before his eyes and more than a dozen times

[113262a]

But why, for the sake of experiment, dismantle all the monuments of white whales, spread throughout Siberia and the Far East, in color for a day. It will immediately become quiet in the forest ... And no intervention is needed! But we are not like that ... Alas ... And just remove from the shelves all these Staropramen and Goats.

[wandlitz]

Monuments to white whales, of course, should not be installed ... But, alas, there will be no political will to remove. But Staropramen and other Czechs have long been no longer Czech or Dutch or other TNCs ...

[Pushkar]

Quote: 113262

And just remove from the shelves all these Staropramen and Goats.

And Skoda.

[113262a]

YES, just like Lada-Largus was once Logan!

[Egoza]

Or maybe the monument was demolished right now, so that Zeman would not go to the parade? True, in the current situation, will there be a parade?

[Pardus]

Quote: Egoza

demolished so that Zeman did not go to the parade?

Such an option is also possible, but provided that the parade will be ...

[Sibguest]

"I cannot call Russia's reaction to what has happened adequate."
Kish Miri in Tuches und Zay Gezund, Mr. Zeman! With you, the European gloss flows like shit in the rain.
Power is in the truth. Whoever has the truth is stronger.

[Pardus]

Quote: Sibguest

Power is in the truth. Whoever has the truth is stronger.

The truth is on our side. Only no one needs our truth except us. For us, our truth is the future of our country. And if we lose our truth, then we as a state will have a complete end.

[Pyctam]

Well, leave them their right to delve into their shit. Time, it will ask and very strictly. And the answer will have to be definitely. And I personally, strongly doubt the answer to keep such people like him

[APASUS]

Zeman seems to be adequate but still cuts it!
Nothing that the municipality of Prague 6 violated an interstate agreement?

Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of military graves

AGREEMENT
between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of military graves *

http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901783313
And Shoigu’s position is strange, I decided to beg a monument. You still offer money ..........

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of the military burials

Konev there Buried? That's the way it is.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

Is Konev BURIED there? That's the way it is.

An interesting turn, in the process we always encountered the topic of double perception.
If the Marshal of the Soviet Union is buried on Red Square near the Kremlin wall, then all interstate agreements lose their force automatically. Or even easier, they can be canceled by the municipality of any village, city, district
I didn’t mix anything up, correctly understood your idea?

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: professor

Is Konev BURIED there? That's the way it is.

An interesting turn, in the process we always encountered the topic of double perception.
If the Marshal of the Soviet Union is buried on Red Square near the Kremlin wall, then all interstate agreements lose their force automatically. Or even easier, they can be canceled by the municipality of any village, city, district
I didn’t mix anything up, correctly understood your idea?

No, not right. Czechs did not touch Burial Konev and, accordingly, your link to the "Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of military burials"out of place.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

No, not right. The Czechs did not touch Konev's BURIAL and, accordingly, your reference to the "Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of war graves" is out of place.

The question remains the same.
If the Marshal of the Soviet Union is buried on Red Square near the Kremlin wall, then all interstate agreements lose their force automatically. Or even easier, they can be canceled by the municipality of any village, city, district,
Sources change:
Agreement on friendly relations and cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic
Agreement on friendly relations and cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic docs.cntd.ru / document / 901898022

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

The question remains the same.

The question is really the same. Konev’s burial in Moscow. How the Czechs demolishing a monument to Konev in Prague!!! violate "Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Czech Republic on the mutual maintenance of the military burials"?
Answer: No way. Your post is past.

Quote: APASUS

If the Marshal of the Soviet Union is buried on Red Square near the Kremlin wall, then all interstate agreements lose their force automatically. Or even easier, they can be canceled by the municipality of any village, city, district,

The municipality has the right to dispose of its property at its discretion and MO they are not a decree.

Quote: APASUS

Agreement on friendly relations and cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic
Agreement on friendly relations and cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic docs.cntd.ru / document / 901898022

Again by. The agreement does not provide for the transfer of municipal property of the Czech Republic to Russia. Learn the materiel.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

Again by. The agreement does not provide for the transfer of municipal property of the Czech Republic to Russia. Learn the materiel.

I don’t have to teach anything. Dear in this agreement, the conservation and care of the monuments is devoted to as much as 2 points. And given that this is an agreement between the two states, then just the municipality of Prague 6 is here by.

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

I don’t need to learn anything

It is necessary. And diligently.

Quote: APASUS

Dear in this contract, the preservation and care of the monuments is devoted as much as 2 points. And given that this is an agreement between the two states, then just the municipality of Prague 6 is here by.

The monument is not Russian, but Czech. Moreover, not even state, but urban. It does not fall under the contract. There is no burial there, so Shoigu sat in a puddle.

Tomorrow Yanek in a village near Prague will erect a monument to Zhukov, and the day after tomorrow decides to demolish it. This is his own business and he should not give anyone a report. It does not fall under any contracts. By the way, therefore, the Russian Foreign Ministry is breathing evenly about the monument to Konev.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

The monument is not Russian, but Czech. Moreover, not even state, but urban. It does not fall under the contract. There is no burial there, so Shoigu sat in a puddle.

I always liked your logic. A contract is not a contract and an agreement is not an agreement, and if you really need it, you can put a monument to the executioners in the Jewish cemetery.
understand

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

I always liked your logic. A contract is not a contract and an agreement is not an agreement, and if you really need it, you can put a monument to the executioners in the Jewish cemetery.

Materiel, dear, materiel.

You talked about "burial". They weren't there.

The Friendship ... Treaty does not protect any municipal monuments.

If the law does not prohibit, then in the Jewish cemetery you can put a monument to anyone.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

If the law does not prohibit, then in the Jewish cemetery you can put a monument to anyone

If memory does not bring money, then why such a memory I do not respect your opinion on this matter, but I understand

In Ukrainian Sambir, a monument to Bandera was erected directly at the Jewish cemetery

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

If memory does not bring money, then why such a memory I do not respect your opinion on this matter, but I understand

I did not write this. I continue to assert that it is necessary to act according to the laws, and not according to concepts.

Quote: APASUS

In Ukrainian Sambir, a monument to Bandera was erected directly at the Jewish cemetery

According to your logic, our Defense Minister Naftali Benet should now call his Ukrainian counterpart and demand to demolish the monument, and our Prosecutor General's Office should initiate a criminal investigation in connection with the "desecration of the Jewish cemetery in Ukraine." Nooo. Ours do not play such clownery. They studied at universities. They know that the erection of a monument to Ukrainians buried in a former Jewish cemetery is a sovereign affair of Ukraine, whether we love the event itself or not.

[Pyctam]

This treaty speaks of monuments over burial sites.

[Pyctam]

Nothing that the monument to Marshal Konev IS NOT a MILITARY BURIAL. This is a monument and nothing more.

[Avior]

TASS is authorized to declare:

MOSCOW, December 26. / TASS /. Russia is grateful to the ex-Prime Minister of Slovakia, Jan Charnogursky, for the proposal to transfer the monument to Marshal of the Soviet Union Ivan Konev to the Slovak Republic, but proceeds from the fact that he should remain in Prague, where he was installed. This was announced on Thursday at a briefing by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova.
"We are grateful to the ex-Prime Minister of the Slovak Republic Czarnogursky, who appealed to the municipal authorities of Prague-6 (district of the Czech capital - TASS) with a proposal to buy out the monument to Marshal of the Soviet Union Konev installed in this area in order to transfer and install it in Slovakia," she said “At the same time, we confirm our position with regard to monuments, they retain their meaning in relation to the places where historical events took place in whose honor they were installed” ...

https://tass.ru/politika/7430207

[1536]

Finally, this so-called president has thrown off the mask. And then it seemed that he did not seem to support the neo-fascists, criticized. Aha, the legend is fresh, but hard to believe. Some people hope that a monument will be erected to them for lying in some "area". Only these monuments will be false.
Czech society is not inadequate; it simply suffers from the same disease that it suffered from many, many years ago. The name of this "disease" is well known in Russia and not only by those who fought against fascism, but also by those who met with the Czechs after the Victory, during the years of "perestroika", for example.

[1536]

Quote: The same Lech

but the Czech Foreign Ministry stated that "you cannot return the monument, since it belongs to the Prague municipality."

They advertise Czech beer with the Czech king on TV ... you watch it after the video about the demolition of the monument to Konev ... I want to pour this Czech beer on the head of the Czech king ... I will not buy Czech goods in protest against the demolition of the monument.

Dear, in many tavars of Czech there is nothing for a long time. One name. But to force beer or automobile “kings” to change these “cool” names, so that their spirit does not exist, this is just a good answer to the crime of Czech officials who staged a provocation on the eve of the Great Victory Day.

[2 Level Advisor]

You know, to put it mildly, for the whole world it will look inadequate, approximately at the level of the DPRK, which Russophobes of the whole world will only be happy with ..
Do not tell me the mechanism of coercion, for example VW to which Skoda belongs, change this name? Give up VW? We’ll leave with such logic, and without sanctions, as a result, no one will have to buy equipment, equipment, etc. due to the fact that no one wants to have any special business with us, or we ourselves will refuse ... Maybe you first need to be able to refuse to trade without prejudice to the interests of their own country, so as to at least think about it?

[Arthur 85]

But you can somehow stop this forgiveness for half a year, and when the world collapses into a crisis, demand from Eastern Europe for every ton of grain one villain for snow removal in Siberia. And without any Khrushchev’s amnesties

[Chever]

An idiotic situation: well, the monument was removed. So what? Their problems...

[Pardus]

Quote: Chever

Idiotic situation

This is a meanness, not an idiotic situation. The Investigative Committee described these actions as desecration of symbols of military glory. I am sure that if the demolition of the monument was only their business, the UK would not have instituted criminal proceedings.

[Chever]

Quote: Pardus

UK would not institute criminal proceedings

Against whom and for what?

[Pissarro]

Russophobia should not be a free pleasure. An adequate response would be the cancellation of direct flights and the ban on selling tours to tour operators. That is, to punish the ruble

[bk316]

First you need to
1. respect their monuments themselves
2.Change legislation in the manner of the United States, where the whole Earth has their jurisdiction
3. Start enforcing these laws

Although in this case, what is Zeman to blame?
Some Czechs put up a monument for their money.
Other Czechs demolished with their money.

Now, when the crowd and the diots demolished the monument to Dzerzhinsky, how was it?
And how many monuments of Lenin and Stalin we have demolished?
And before that, how many monuments to the kings and military commanders were demolished?
Now let's restore them all and then we will reproach Zeman .....

[user1212]

Quote: bk316

First you need to

For what? Accusing other countries of something is in itself a tool of politics, regardless of such crimes of the accuser himself. The presence of prisons with illegal contents does not prevent the United States from accusing the necessary countries of human rights violations. Great Britain's war crimes (IMHO, the largest in human history!) Do not prevent them from singing songs about "bloody communism". etc. And the stories about Iran's support for terrorism, while NATO countries supply terrorists around the world ...

[cat Rusich]

Milos Zeman - Czech Republic Vice President ...

[Motorist]

Czech President commented

Function of the Czech President - to comment?

[Pardus]

What else can he do?

[Motorist]

Hello.

I quote from an article by Evgeny Pavlov (Head of the Department of Constitutional Law of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, Doctor of Law, Professor): "Article 63 of the Constitution of the Chechen Republic stipulates that the President represents the state in foreign relations."

Is this not a case of external relations ?!

[Stils]

A criminal case without the possibility of bringing to justice is a loud bunch in a puddle. It is not their local officials who come to visit us to have a rest, but our officials to the "gayrope", they do not keep the assets with us, but our elite. Or maybe the bald gnome imagines himself Trump?

[petrol cutter]

Who helps people ... Only wastes time!
Good deeds, you can’t become famous ...

[Pashtet]

Who and how sold the shares of Gazprom and Rosneft? Comrade Zeman forgot?

[Pardus]

These are just rumors and gossip.

[Incvizitor]

Czechs Hitler just helped and apparently still true to his ideas.

[TEODOR]

Both yours and ours, a good politician can be seen right away. Politics is a zask work for the zatsev. But in essence, the demolition of monuments is disgusting.

[Pardus]

Quote: TEODOR

Politics is

According to the teachings of Plato, politics is the ability to “protect all citizens and, if possible, make them the worst of the best. Machiavelli argued that politics is the knowledge of correct and wise rule. Currently, it is argued that politics is an activity that is expressed in the behavior of social groups, as well as the totality of behaviors and social institutions that manage public relations and create power control as such, along with competition for the possession of power.
So, Zeman did not behave very well. He tried to please both yours and ours ...

[Old Horseradish]

The monument, but what a monument is there, we have demolished the whole country in 91-93. And what? Remember - there was such a country: the USSR. Also, are the Czechs to blame?

[Aleks1973]

Quote: Tatiana

Let’s see how Zeman will talk about Czech interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation if the Russians demolish monuments to white whales in the Russian Federation!

Tell us where do these monuments stand?

[Pardus]

Quote: Alex1973

Tell us where do these monuments stand?

Buzuluk, Verkhny Uslon, Vladivostok, Yekaterinburg, Krasnoyarsk, Kultuk, Kungur, Mikhailovka, Nizhny Tagil, Penza
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Памятники_чехословацким_легионерам

[Aleks1973]

Quote: 1536

in many tawars

Literacy rolls over .... Go buy a primer, but don't go into politics!

[petrol cutter]

I look the whole site went to fight with
An epidemic. Apparently, this is correct.
It is especially scary to get infected via the Internet.

[polpot]

Boycott Russians of all Czech, the best medicine.

[Pardus]

Breaking diplomatic relations with the Czech Republic is even better

[polpot]

Freeze at the lowest level, send spies from the embassy, ​​reduce the presence of the embassy in Moscow, find salmonella in products, arsenic in beer.

[Tarento]

I read the comments and just shocked by the anger, and the limitations of some characters. I’ve been living in Prague for a long time, I can say Prague and try to clarify some points, so to speak first-hand. Local municipalities have very extensive rights in their territories. President Zeman is a more representative figure than a political one; he really does not decide anything. Prime Minister Babish decides and even he cannot take and intervene in the affairs of a separate district of the city, for he controls the district headman, elected by the people and who is a representative of a party. Kolarzh, the representative of the top 09 party, is a liberal conservative, and the ruling party Ano (Yes), to which Babish refers, most likely, there are simply behind-the-scenes party games and top 09 simply put Babish and the company in conflict with the Russian Federation. But everyone sees only the rewriting of history and wants to impose sanctions against the Czech Republic, or maybe this was the goal of Mr. Kolář?

[Pissarro]

Some Czech official insulted Russia. There should be exactly two options. An official is punished or punished by the Czech Republic. This is normal practice. In the army there is punishment through the collective. The collective is responsible for the joint of the individual. The next time the team itself will take care to stop the destructive actions of the individual.

[Tarento]

And how do you propose stopping such officials? In the Czech Republic, a system of governing the country and individual areas is fundamentally different from the Russian Federation. System of checks and balances in action. In general, the system works, but we are not safe from such characters.

[Pissarro]

Very strange system. And if a mad official begins to burn for example American or Chinese flags, hang cartoons of Mohammed or Christ, will the Czech Foreign Ministry also declare that we cannot influence it? Maybe the area of ​​Prague can independently declare war on other countries?

[Pyctam]

The army has never been punished through the collective. These are some not-so-distant commanders who came up with it in order not to bother to somehow influence a subordinate with the mind and personal example. Do not carry nonsense. Such a stupid thing can be said by a sergeant or ensign, and not everyone

[Pissarro]

In the army of 2000-2001, when I was doing military service, this was normal practice. Especially in KMB. Moreover, this practice is effective and intelligible. So do not carry nonsense yourself.
However, for parquet officers who were not faced with the task of making crowded units in the short term, this practice can be nonsense, I do not argue

[user1212]

Quote: Tarento

I read the comments and just shocked by the anger, and the limitations of some characters.

It would be more productive if you were shocked by the actions of your municipality.
The same Czech Foreign Ministry could well agree with the municipality and transfer the monument to Russia. They didn’t, didn’t want to bother. This, of course, will affect relations, but, of course, also does not make our countries enemies

[Tarento]

The Foreign Ministry could not agree, or rather, in theory, but in this situation, Collage simply framed everyone, he takes an obvious anti-Russian position, some banners and banners dedicated to the Prague Spring are worth it, and he orders and places them every year. People could not go out and somehow prevent the demolition. On the 3rd, there was already a ban on gathering groups of more than 2 people, we have quarantine here, that’s the moment that took advantage of a friend who is not our friend.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Tarento

Collage

and how did he find himself in the leadership ??? !!

[unaha]

I think that many of our fellow citizens simply do not understand that there may be systems in which there is no "power vertical" and the decisions of local authorities cannot be changed simply by an order (or even a hint) from above. Regardless of the specific situation, which does not paint the Czech Republic.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: unaha

and decisions of local authorities are not amenable to change simply by order (or even a hint) from above.

This noodle is for those who are naive like you and others like you !!!

[unaha]

I was naive about 40 years ago. As for the "noodles" - you should watch your ears)

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: unaha

I was naive about 40 years ago. As for the "noodles" - you should watch your ears)

I have all the rules ... I do not tell tales about the wonderful "improvement" of the Euro-American society !!!

[unaha]

It’s a very strange way to ascribe to an opponent something about which not a word was said - where was at least something said about "wonderful improvement"? I wrote about the high independence of local self-government. This is not true? About electivity and accountability to voters, is that also not true? Are you arguing?

[Pissarro]

It's funny, anyone who tramples against the general line of the State Department will be accused of raping a maid in an elevator, harassment of forty years ago or insulting an old black woman on social networks. And goodbye career. The empire of lies has a rich arsenal

[unaha]

Does anyone deny the variety of means of discrediting, and sometimes even natural persecution of people objectionable in developed countries? Do not shoot - and then progress)))
However, this fact has no relation to local self-government, its broad powers and self-sufficiency (but, accordingly, responsibility to voters) in the Czech Republic, right?

[Pissarro]

Do you yourself agree that a petty official can cause an international scandal with impunity and harm national interests?
Purely hypothetically. Russia was suddenly offended very much and banned the territory of Czech enterprises, and thousands lost their jobs thanks to do not understand who? What is the responsibility of local government and where is the responsibility of state authorities.
Local government should manage housing and communal services. He can’t even be trusted with a school or the federal highway, suddenly it decides to collect the tax there)

[unaha]

Well, we see the same situation? Why would the Czech Republic get involved in a conflict with the Russian Federation at the state level? Especially now, in a difficult period with unclear prospects. At the same time, the municipal authorities of Prague didn’t think (I think) about the consequences precisely because they act in their own area of ​​responsibility and have all the rights for that ... Well, here was an exception - I was not interested, but I think the monument falls under interstate agreements and transfer it (not to mention demolition) was not worth it.
"You can't even entrust the school to him" - why? Even our schools are municipal facilities.

[Pissarro]

At the expense of not thinking that you were joking. I do not think that we are dealing with idioms. Normal political order.)
But by and large, what matters to us, which of the Czech officials has insulted us. If his head is not transferred to us on a plate, the whole Czech Republic should answer. Delving into their political impotence is not interesting. And yes, the monument is in place. )

[unaha]

What is the purpose of the order?

[Pissarro]

The order to review the results of the Second World War and equate communism with fascism. They don’t even hide it.

[unaha]

I don’t see the point - most of the youth, even in our country, do not know about WWII, but certainly not interested. And already in most of the rest of the world ... After 20 years, not everyone will remember what it is all about.
Vaughn "Petrov and Bashirova" along with the Chinese to blame for the spread of coronavirus will be more exhaust, for all the delusional.

[Pissarro]

You do not see, but they see the point in this. They adopt resolutions in the European Parliament, demolish monuments, mock history, hold festivals for the liberation of Auschwitz without inviting the liberators, etc. If you do not see the gopher, does not mean that it is not)
And “do not slander our youth, it is our Hope and stronghold,” as Vladimir Semenovich sang. My son is well versed in 11 years in who is a fascist and who is a Soviet hero)

[Popov I.P.]

I advise you to read https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html Samsonov A. Why are Czechoslovak killers and marauders erected monuments in Russia

[Whisper]

Do not let ... on the 75th anniversary .... even if he wants to .... point

[Popov I.P.]

Demolition of the monument is a political action dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Victory and a demonstrative spit in the face of Russia. The response of the Czech Foreign Ministry with the proposal of Russia to enter into negotiations with the Prague region is essentially mocking, the Russian Federation has a deep. relations with the Czech Republic, and not separate districts of its capital, cities and towns. It turns out the Czech Republic is such a democratic country that no one can do anything with one unbridled elder - who believes in it. If the central authority of the Czech Republic was interested in good relations with Russia, then it would find a way to solve the problem within the framework of the existing legislation, even in court, at least financially (just to redeem the monument and if not give it to the family Koneva I.S., then simply resell it to the Russian Federation). To leave this unanswered is not to respect yourself, but the answer should be adequate. The USSR paid 160 thousand lives for the freedom of Czechoslovakia, including about 15 thousand were killed in the Prague operation (which is 5 times more than the Vlasov’s in the 2nd division of the ROA supposedly liberating Prague, I’m not talking about their losses) and the Soviet a soldier came there to liberate the country from the Nazis, and not to conquer (how many were killed in this local population, not counting the Nazi collaborators in German uniform?). And no events of the Prague Spring of 1968 can cross out this fact .. But the Czechoslovak corps in Russia left a far from positive memory, they were equally fond of the Reds and the Whites. Although accurate statistics on how many of our compatriots died at their hands during I have not yet found a civil war in Russia .. But there are about 100 monuments to these soldiers in Russia, and not all of them are in place on the sites of military burials. And if the mayor's office of Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok, in accordance with the law on local self-government on the basis of the will of the population, deems it inappropriate to be there, then this is their right. But in no case should you touch the monuments in the cemeteries, just like the military burial places themselves - it is like them. The criminal case against this elder has no prospects. But diplomatic (recall of our ambassador and lowering diplomatic relations) and economic measures (1. Restriction of tourism to the Czech Republic, if not a direct ban on the sale of tours there, then at least the exclusion of tours to the Czech Republic from programs Travel Insurance
2. Restrictions on the import of their individual goods, the introduction of additional. duties 3. Restriction of transport links with the Czech Republic 4. Restriction on the withdrawal of capital there and investment in their economy by introducing additional. taxes for those who do this (if necessary, withdrawal from the agreement on the avoidance of double taxation). For Georgia, the single cutoff of air traffic was very sensitive. I'm not even saying that we have a Prazhskaya metro station in Moscow, there is probably a restaurant or a Prague hotel, how appropriate it is now is for the Moscow authorities to decide. Well, to create an atmosphere of moral condemnation of those of our compatriots who go there on tours, buy real estate or invest in their economy.

[user1212]

Quote: Popov I.P.

The criminal case against this headman has no prospects.

Here you are wrong. Landing on the dock is almost not realistic, yes. So not for that and the mention of monuments abroad was introduced. I think not all employees of this municipality have plans for a further political career. There is no guarantee that after 5 years one of them will not come as part of the delegation to support the pants to our liberals. They can be deployed at the border or simply not issue a visa. Now China is slowly leaning toward sending goods to the EU through Russian territory. While testing is underway, we, of course, will not do anything, but in 3-4 years we may well arrest the cargo from China if the recipient is listed as any of the individuals, legal entities, as well as municipalities for which there is a decision of the Russian court on a fine under 243.4 UK rf

[Tarento]

So you yourself write about military graves, it wasn’t there, at the grave sites there is beauty and order. Well, I would look at you, how, under quarantine, the emergency regime introduced in the country, you will sue the headman, who in his own right acted within the law, and even as part of the opposition, and does everything to annoy the ruling party. But from your sofas you certainly know better.

[Kelwin]

Yes, exchange this demolition for one shot, what’s the problem ... it’s just demonstrative. Boshirov’s assistant has a personal range of 800. And Petrov will work on a government embraer.)) Litter for banter, furious pshkah ...

[Popov I.P.]

Statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic on Statements by the Russian Federation
10.04.2020/19/16 / 12.04.2020:08 | Aktualizováno: 43/XNUMX/XNUMX / XNUMX:XNUMX

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic categorically rejects any attempts to intervene in the internal affairs of the Czech Republic by state bodies of the Russian Federation. If such confrontational statements and actions on the part of the Russian authorities continue, this will be regarded as proof that the Russian side has lost interest in developing mutually beneficial relations between our countries.


The Czech Republic respects the memory of all the fallen soldiers of the Red Army, in whose ranks, in addition to the Russians, representatives of Ukrainian, Belarusian and other nationalities of the former Soviet Union fought for our liberation. The monument to Marshal I.S. Konev is a war memorial to which the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation of 1993 applies, and the movement of the monument to the above document does not contradict. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs expects that further handling of the monument will be worthy.

In the Czech Republic, local government is an integral part of the constitutional system of the state. The criminal prosecution of his democratically elected representatives by a foreign state in connection with the exercise of the powers entrusted to him is, from the point of view of the Czech Republic, unacceptable. The relevant Russian legislation, in addition - applied retroactively, has no legal force in the Czech Republic.

I would like to remind the Russian side that while the Czech Republic properly contains 4 military graves, memorials and monuments on its territory, which, unlike the monument to Marshal I.S. Konev, are covered by the provisions of the Agreement between the Government of the Czech Republic and The Government of the Russian Federation on the mutual maintenance of military graves from 224 on the territory of the Russian Federation has so far failed to resolve the issue of updating military monuments to fallen Czechoslovak legionnaires in Samara, Novokuybyshevsk-Lipyagah and other places, despite many years of negotiations at the local government level.

If the Russian side is interested in acquiring the statue of Marshal I. S. Konev, it is necessary to enter into negotiations with its owner. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic is not.

[user1212]

Quote: Popov I.P.

If such confrontational statements and actions on the part of the Russian authorities continue, this will be regarded as proof that the Russian side has lost interest in developing mutually beneficial relations between our countries.

This is what our officials say in their commentary. The Czechs did not get the first time? Applied internship in the Baltic states, apparently

[Dog]

Our reaction is our internal affair. Trying to tell us whom to initiate criminal proceedings and who not, he puts pressure on our justice system, interfering in our internal affairs, and not just anywhere, but in such a sensitive area for any state as the activities of law enforcement agencies.

Czech should recall that the First World War began due to attempts by Austria-Hungary to intervene in the activities of Serbia’s law enforcement authorities (from Serbia, they were required to allow the Austro-Hungarian police to intervene in its law enforcement activities).

[tolmachiev51]

- "Russia was promised not to leave the demolition of the monument unanswered, after which a criminal case was opened" - the Foreign Ministry, as usual, will express concern !!! and so everywhere. Our "ruling" abomination "lives" all over the world, and therefore fear to once again stand up for the honor of Russia. ...

[Popov I.P.]

He specified that in 1917 the number of the Czechoslovak corps in Russia, formed from prisoners of war of the Austro-Hungarian army, was according to various sources from 40 to 60 thousand. people. After the revolution, thousand 10 ran away, 4 thousand went over to the side of the Bolsheviks, and about 40 thousand The Entente decided to evacuate to Vladivostok to France to continue the war. The echelons of the corps stretched from the Volga region to the Far East. The corps revolt provoked Trotsky's order to disarm him, after which they began to overthrow and appoint the authorities all the way, clashing with the reds and sometimes whites, at the same time robbing and "privatizing" everything that came to hand, from wagons with manufactories to parts gold reserves. Parts of the corps became famous for their cruelty and robberies. During the civil war in Russia, about 4 thousand were killed. Legionnaires, they are buried in about 100 military graves. No civilized state will object to putting military graves, including monuments on them, in order. But they, besides this, are trying to erect monuments at train stations, in children's squares, on the streets of cities, having read for what the local authorities and the population of the Russian regions object quite reasonably, because these soldiers left a bad memory about themselves. Links of the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs that over 4 thousand are kept in order in the Czech Republic the military graves of Soviet soldiers are mildly not correct: the Soviet Army liberated Czechoslovakia from fascist invaders at the cost of 160 thousand. lives, and whom and from whom were Czech legionaries exempted in Russia? We don’t bother to erect new monuments in their cities and towns, the old monuments outside the cemeteries have become unacceptable - let's solve this in a civilized way, without mocking phrases about masks and spits dedicated to the holy Victory Day for us. It is not excluded that this is petty and petty revenge and a kind of blackmail in response to our intransigence regarding new monuments of the "military glory" of the Czechoslovak corps outside the military graves. But in any case, this should not go unanswered. The Embassy of the Czech Republic is located in Moscow on ul. Julius Fuchek 12/14 (front side), the back - st. Yaroslav Hasek, both were named at one time in favor of the Czech brothers and Slovaks, and their decommunization was not affected. Renaming Fuchek Street to Konev (as well as removing his sculpture from the inner square) seems to be doubtful, well, if only because neither Fuchek nor Hasek did anything against Russia. But opposite the embassy from the front side across the road there is a large square, and here it can be called the square of Marshal Konev and there to erect this monument. Let him be a reproach to the former German protectorate of the Czech Republic and Moravia, which Marshal Konev freed and thereby helped restore statehood. But I don’t think their conscience will wake up. And they won’t give (or don’t sell) the monument - to recreate it in a new way (subject to copyright), for which purpose we can organize, if necessary, fundraising. We have experience with Georgia, when Mishiko Saakashvili blew up the monument in honor of the Victory, he was recreated as soon as possible in Moscow on Poklonnaya Hill and opened for the holiday by the President of the Russian Federation in the presence of Georgian veterans and the opposition.

[Vasya Fix]

I don’t remember who suggested making the monuments collapsible, the power changed, the torso was changed and there was no need to demolish

[savage1976]

Do not worry, the President of the Czech Republic, there will be business.

[jetfors_84]

Yes Zeman there zero devil wand. What to listen to? He does not solve anything there. He sits in an armchair and speaks to both ours and yours.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Dmitry Steshin wrote correctly about the Czechs, saying why be surprised if this country has always been under someone, it’s a people of plasticine, adapts to any who came to them, for them all are invaders, but they will never fight for their land, like this we do. History has shown.

[Fan-fan]

If these Czechs are so-and-so under the Americans and generally "bad people", then why do they live better than we are good, honest and decent?

[Vadim Golubkov]

But Serbia, Cuba, North Korea, do not sit under the Americans and do not live as good as the Czechs. But they would sit under the Americans, they would live richly like Czechs.

[Pissarro]

Well, if they live better than you, then try to get a job.

[Pyctam]

And this is not a question for them, but for us? And who said that they live better? I was always struck by this unconditional belief that there, somewhere abroad, I live easily and well, but here, at our place it is bad.

[Most kind]

That means the Americans can, but we can’t, we haven’t gotten these bastards from other countries yet, and by the way, somewhere there was a complete list of places where there are signs and monuments to the White Czechs, we’ll go on excursions, and there everyone will love everything without masks, even on engravings, not Well, we are also practically Europeans, we have iPhones, we have KFS, we also have Coca-Cola, Europe

[Jarserge]

This is what excessive philanthropy and humanism leads to. In fact, Czechoslovakia was one of Hitler's main allies. So the attitude towards it should have been appropriate, bomb them into the Stone Age (following the example of the Americans) and take what was left to the Union. After all, the result is the same, these lackeys are our enemies in life.

[Ros 56]

Why weren’t you creatures screaming like that on May 9, 1945, but the Russians were screaming, help?

[shark]

It is necessary to propose replacing all the monuments to the White Czechs with one monument to Konev. And don't be shy. If they don’t agree, demolish them all wholesale. Stop playing noble. They don't appreciate it.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Popov I.P.

The corps revolt provoked Trotsky's order to disarm him, after which they began to overthrow and appoint the authorities all the way, clashing with the reds and sometimes whites, at the same time robbing and "privatizing" everything that came to hand, from wagons with manufactories to parts gold reserves.

The decision to revolt by the White Czechs was made at their congress, which took place on May 16-20.
Trotsky's order came out on May 25.
Look for the reasons for the rebellion in the Entente’s decision on armed intervention in Russia, adopted back in 1917.

[Igor Borisov_2]

Withdraw the invitation to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Victory....

[Mastodon]

Monuments to the White Czechs will have to be demolished all over Russia...And first find out who installed them and on what basis

[serggb]

It's funny to watch how Eastern Europeans pose as "solid democrats." As many of them (not all!) smelled bad..., so... they remained.

[Klingon]

interesting movie. This means that when the striped ones push through their laws “regardless of your country of residence” (see even the YouTube rules - according to American law, you are required to indicate that this content is NOT for children, regardless of your country of residence!) i.e. Is this not interference in the internal affairs of the country? and here it’s like there’s an intervention! because Russia!?

[Pyctam]

YouTube is American property. That’s why the rules are according to their legislation. Create your own analogue and tailor the criteria as you wish. The Chinese Internet is an example.

[AllXVahhaB]

What does it mean to “return the monument to Russia”? Did we put it there? It was erected by the Czechs themselves, at their own expense, the sculptor was also Czech...