The press of France announced the "war of declarations" of Dmitry Rogozin and Elon Musk


In the French press, on Cosmonautics Day, material was published that talks about the confrontation between Russia and the United States in the space industry, including the confrontation, so to speak, in rhetoric. An editorial from La Tribune stated that today "there is a confrontation between SpaceX and Russia."


From the article:
This is a war of statements by Dmitry Rogozin and Ilon Mask.

The La Tribune article says the following:

Russia believes that SpaceX lowers launch prices and also benefits from US sanctions against Moscow. Elon Musk advises them to launch reusable launchers. The head of the Russian Space Agency, Dmitry Rogozin, on Saturday accused the American company SpaceX of billionaire Ilon Mask of underestimating the prices of commercial launches, forcing Russia to lower its tariffs.

The material cites the publication of the head of Roskosmos on Twitter:

This is the whole cynicism and hypocrisy of our opponents. Instead of a fair fight in the space launch market, they lobby sanctions against us and use dumping with impunity. And when they are asked about the real price of the launch service, they blush and instead of answering try to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

The same article cites the statement of Elon Musk, who responded to dumping claims. According to the owner of SpaceX, "the problem is that SpaceX launchers and spacecraft can be reused in about 80% of cases, while Russia does not."

La Tribune, meanwhile, reminded its readers of the ironic statement of Dmitry Rogozin made several years ago. We are talking about how Rogozin spoke of "the possible use of trampolines to send the US their astronauts into space."
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  1. iouris April 12 2020 14: 18 New
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    And who is Ilon Musk?
    1. DMB 75 April 12 2020 14: 22 New
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      And who is Ragozin? According to the Accounting Chamber, almost half of the financial irregularities in the country are associated with this state corporation. Of the total amount of 1 trillion 865 billion of identified violations, 760 billion rubles. accounts for the space industry, according to a report from auditors.
      1. knn54 April 12 2020 15: 06 New
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        But there is a UNIQUE cosmodrome, on which the "landing" began earlier than the launches.
        1. Sklendarka April 12 2020 15: 30 New
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          Quote: knn54
          But there is a UNIQUE cosmodrome, on which the "landing" began earlier than the launches.

          Bravo....
        2. Mestny April 12 2020 17: 17 New
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          Nothing, the starts also began.
          And the more of them there will be, the more there will be malicious anger at this.
        3. for
          for April 12 2020 22: 49 New
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          Quote: knn54
          "landings" began earlier than the starts.

          And then main the ships did not land.
      2. kjhg April 12 2020 15: 35 New
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        Quote: DMB 75
        And who is Ragozin?

        It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.

        with a man who was appointed the head of an existing state-owned space corporation with an already existing large client base that launches reliable Soviet rockets worked out for decades, also sitting on state funding, managing to lose almost all its customers, unable to stop the collapse of the space sector, which is repeatedly shocked by multi-billion dollar corruption scandals. This comparison, to put it mildly, is strange. The scope of the personality is completely different. As one outstanding leader said, cadres decide everything.
        1. poquello April 12 2020 15: 55 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: DMB 75
          And who is Ragozin?

          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.
          .

          do not drive, not April 1st, Elon Musk is a US commercial agent in areas where it is inconvenient for state-owned companies to break the rules, the rest is a beautiful fairy tale
        2. Ramzaj99 April 12 2020 15: 56 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.

          People who believe in such nonsense amuse me)) I found it myself, designed it myself)))
          Musk initially received dimensionless funding from the state, only for the IDEA of development, plus he was given all the ongoing developments on missiles and handed over to specialists. This is a man of the state and has nothing in common with the private.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 16: 01 New
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            Mdya ... Normally, like a state ventura ... Maybe.
          2. boss April 12 2020 19: 39 New
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            We streamline and envy that the US government MAY ALLOW FOR such a beautiful fairy tale.
            And the spaceport is not particularly needed from floating platforms, as they launch it, the most interesting things are accepted.
            Agree, the fairy tale created by Mask has become a reality, it's a pity we just haven’t
            1. Dreamboat April 12 2020 22: 10 New
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              Quote: patron
              We streamline and envy that the US government MAY ALLOW FOR such a beautiful fairy tale.
              And the spaceport is not particularly needed from floating platforms, as they launch it, the most interesting things are accepted.
              Agree, the fairy tale created by Mask has become a reality, it's a pity we just haven’t

              Unless in your fantasies. While we see the one-time launch of reusable ships, falling past platforms and disrupting the program of manned flights.
              1. Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 35 New
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                About how witnesses to the Mask sect have been minus. Like, "you fso fret!" laughing

                And I’m even interested to watch his big shiny garbage cans explode regularly lol
        3. APASUS April 12 2020 16: 30 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          It’s completely incorrect to compare a person who created a private company from scratch,

          That's for sure !
          Elon Musk is not a genius, but a banal crook. 85% SpaxeX Funding - NASA Money
          "However, SpaceX receives the majority of its funding from NASA, and according to one internal NASA document, as much as 85 percent of the company revenues to date have come from the space agency through its multibillion dollar commercial crew and cargo contracts. Put simply , if not for NASA, SpaceX would probably be flying the Falcon 1 or 5 rocket today or might not exist at all "

          Original article: http: //arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/we-love-spacex-and-we-hope-it-reaches-mars-but-we-spacex-to-focus/
          1. spirit April 12 2020 19: 10 New
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            That would be us so scammers)
            1. Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 36 New
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              Full of. They can’t transplant everyone laughing
        4. DymOk_v_dYmke April 12 2020 17: 36 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket,

          Not in defense of Rogozin.
          It seems to me that behind the mask of Elon Musk and his luck and fortune are the ranks of the US intelligence
          exactly in the same way as for the "luckiness" of Soros' projects.
          Washing-masking offices and persons. 1: 1.
          1. boss April 12 2020 19: 45 New
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            Yes, this is their business. it means gorgeous special services, since such fantastic results.
            And we have Zakharchenko, Dryman and similar thieves. oh yes, they also stole the cosmodrome construction site.
            These are objectively the results of our special services.
            So they want to fly more than us
        5. Dreamboat April 12 2020 22: 06 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: DMB 75
          And who is Ragozin?

          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch

          It is completely incorrect to compare the figurehead of a PR project in the USA, which uses under the guise of a private company all the achievements stolen by NASA around the world and designed to inspire Aboriginal people with awe before the "inflatable" technical power of the hegemon, with the head of our aerospace agency.
          Russia and the United States made almost the same number of space launches in 2019 with much less funding, did not lose ships and stages, unlike some. And both lost to China ....
        6. Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 32 New
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          Did he draw the rocket himself?

          But it’s nothing that he’s just a shopkeeper, like Steve Jobs was, who not only used the people around him (the same Steve Wozniak, who came up with the technical part at the beginning of Apple’s creation, and Jobs also threw it at his grandmother), but roundness of design (for hamsters what is needed). And Tesla did not create Mask, but simply profitably "invested" in what others came up with. In the space industry, the same thing, the "talking head" on the full donation of the US government (NASA and the Pentagon in particular). But in fact, he is a fraudster and swindler (people have been waiting for more than a year for a prepaid charging station for their Tesla, as well as HyperZAlup will be "sawing" for a long time, and with everything else). Just a stoned shopkeeper. Nothing more.
      3. Tusv April 12 2020 16: 05 New
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        And who is Ilon Musk?
        And who is Ragozin?
        Science does not know these individuals. The most famous fact is Korolev - East - Gagarin. And no one disputes this, in contrast to the moon landing
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich April 12 2020 16: 48 New
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          And Squirrel and Arrow?
          1. Tusv April 12 2020 16: 58 New
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            Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
            And Squirrel and Arrow?

            How truly heroic personalities outshine Chip and Dale's halo of glory
        2. muham April 13 2020 11: 35 New
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          Quote: Tusv
          And who is Ilon Musk?
          And who is Ragozin?
          Science does not know these individuals. The most famous fact is Korolev - East - Gagarin. And no one disputes this, in contrast to the moon landing

          We read, enlighten:
          http://imho.ws/showthread.php?t=100348
      4. Blondy April 12 2020 17: 10 New
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        After all, what’s interesting: the general, the head of the investigation department, were dismissed for two deputy bribe takers. And Rogozin, who has half of his superiors under the command of thieves, is like water from a goose.
        1. da Vinci April 12 2020 19: 08 New
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          Something similar with Serdyukov, Chubais, etc.
      5. Vadim237 April 12 2020 22: 28 New
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        Rogozin is the one to whom the trampolines began to be harvested - that’s what gives out all the dregs on Twitter.
    2. Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 14: 24 New
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      And who is Ilon Musk?

      Something between Zelensky and Rogozin.

      It seems that they found what to launch from the Sea Launch instead of the Zenith. This will be a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.
      Roscosmos plans to launch a new-generation Soyuz-5 rocket from the Sea Launch floating spaceport. Now he is moored at the Slavic Shipyard. The residents of Primorsky Krai were informed about this by the head of the region Oleg Kozhemyako.
      “We are proud that our country became the first in space exploration and laid the foundation for a new era in the development of mankind. Today, space technology is used not only in large-scale projects for the exploration of the Universe, but also in various areas of everyday life - from navigation systems to household appliances. Our region also contributes to the development of the space industry, ”the governor wrote in a congratulation. - Primorsky Territory has become the home base of the Sea Launch floating spaceport, from which Roscosmos plans to launch a new-generation Soyuz-5 rocket.

      https://m.dv.kp.ru/daily/27116/4196443/
      1. svp67 April 12 2020 16: 33 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        It will be a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.
        Yes, the trouble is that this rocket "ate" the average "Angara", the construction of which has already expended a lot of manpower and resources, now it will also have to be spent on this ... although, by and large, Soyuz-5, this " import-substituted "Zenit" launch vehicle, also from the USSR
        1. slipped April 12 2020 19: 59 New
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          Quote: svp67
          the construction of which has already expended a lot of effort and resources


          Even there is no EP, do not invent.
      2. slipped April 12 2020 19: 58 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Roscosmos plans to launch a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.


        Oh, these chapters .... "Soyuz-5" will not fit into SL, it’s bigger. If S7 space wants, they will make another rocket on the basis of Soyuz-5.
    3. Teberii April 12 2020 14: 25 New
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      A man who knows how to make money and direct it to the business he needs. Ragozin is not able to deal with state funds.
      1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 08 New
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        Quote: Teberii
        Ragozin is not able to deal with state funds.

        How is it unable? Very able to. Dmitry Rogozin manages Roscosmos, which manages the Vostochny spaceport. And about the East did not write only a lazy journalist ...
      2. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 15: 42 New
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        All his trouble is that he can, but is not able to. Sometimes the Federation is powerless in front of the long-distance tycoons that the regions took not for a distant common bright future, but stupidly "for feeding" ...
        They take on a zugunder mixed up in tricks, shake ... And in addition to instead of bank notes in his pockets, tobacco dust ... And an honest look ...))))
      3. 4ekist April 12 2020 16: 14 New
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        "... The Investigative Committee completed an investigation into the causes of the crash of the Proton launch vehicle with three GLONASS satellites that occurred in 2013. Employees of the Khrunichev Scientific and Production Center, who are named by name, installed angular velocity sensors upside down, and the representative of the Ministry of Defense didn’t checked this. Experts, however, doubt that these people should be found guilty ... "

        Where else could this have happened? billions irrevocably flew away not into space, but into the "pipe", there were other schools of the earth too. Unpleasant. however, recall on Cosmonautics Day.
        1. rich April 12 2020 17: 29 New
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          Today the country celebrates Cosmonautics Day. Happy Holidays drinks

          And in something I do not want to congratulate Rogozin and his "highly efficient managers" on this day
        2. Lekov L April 12 2020 17: 36 New
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          ... The Investigative Committee completed an investigation into the causes of the accident of the Proton launch vehicle with three GLONASS satellites

          What does the "cut"? sad
          This pulls on a completely different article .. request
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN April 12 2020 22: 56 New
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            The cut here could be directly connected, the launch was insured, the satellites might have been, or maybe some unfinished ones, maybe someone was interested so that the launch didn’t take place, but the money went away, there was still a strange death for the shop manager, he was thrown off the roof, or maybe dropped recorded for suicide.
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    5. Konstantin Shevchenko April 12 2020 15: 41 New
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      Sales Manager laughing
    6. Sandor Clegane April 12 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: iouris
      And who is Ilon Musk?

      he is a real leader in the space industry, unlike the talking, stupid and thieves head of "Rogozin"
      1. Ronald Reagan April 12 2020 16: 53 New
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        Do not roll barrels on Dmitry Olegovich. Stupid people do not get to such heights.
        1. Sandor Clegane April 12 2020 16: 56 New
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          Quote: Ronald Reagan
          Stupid people do not get to such heights.

          Yes you? only loyal dogs and no more are loved at the top, the rest is needed after the tasks ... but they don’t shine such places if they don’t become devotees!
        2. iouris April 12 2020 23: 38 New
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          Quote: Ronald Reagan
          Stupid people do not get to such heights.

          Also, not the "stupid people" of Gorbi with Shevarnadze, Kalugin ... reached the degrees known.
    7. Blondy April 12 2020 16: 54 New
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      Well, obviously not a journalist like Rogozin,
    8. Normal ok April 12 2020 17: 24 New
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      And who is Ilon Mask? [/ Quote]
      And who is Rogozin? This is probably the one that even trampolined. [Quote = iouris] And who is Ilon Mask? [/ Quote]
  2. Doccor18 April 12 2020 14: 18 New
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    Rogozin ironically declares
    but you have to work.
    Korolev was not up to the statements, there was work ...
    1. Fat
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      Quote: Doccor18
      Rogozin ironically declares
      but you have to work.
      Korolev was not up to the statements, there was work ...

      He declared ... When he was deputy chairman of the military-industrial complex. Now he is only grumbling with displeasure ... They found a serious occupation for him - to rake the Augean stables.
    2. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 10 New
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      Compare Rogozin and the Great Queen is unthinkable. These are absolutely two different personalities. And if Korolev is a Person, then Rogozin is just ... an official.
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 15: 49 New
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        So do not align. Korolev put on the wing a whole industry, completely new.
        And Rogozin rakes manure. We'll see. Apparently it’s not Hercules, well ... at least he doesn’t fly away ...
        Previously, when the USSR was referred to agriculture. Now into space ....
        1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 55 New
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          Quote: Thick
          So do not align.

          So I do not align. You are now trying to justify it for the collapse.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 16: 49 New
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            He is two years in space. He did enough, he sifted thieves. Why justify something. Makes business and norms.
            Before him, everything just pops, aha about orbital platforms and others like them. The budget didn’t go and merged with the language in D. The budget went so stratified that it wasn’t possible to understand where the child was and where the diaper was. I sincerely hope that Rogozin will transplant all the wise men and his mission will end there. He is not an engineer, but a warder.
            1. Lannan Shi April 12 2020 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Thick
              He is two years in space. He did enough, he sifted thieves.

              Thieves should be dealt with by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSK and the prosecutor's office. If Roscosmos is engaged in them, then ... Then it is very interesting who will actually be engaged in space? Perhaps the Ministry of Education?
              1. Fat
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                Rogozin, as it turned out, thinks slightly where the thief is. I don’t know, maybe personal experience, like Vidok’s.
                It’s very important for me personally that ours flew on our devices
                1. Fat
                  Fat April 12 2020 17: 53 New
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                  The charges are prosecutors. Verification is a consequence. Court finding guilty. Yeah
                  And who endured in this conflict. Rogozin as the plaintiff is the norm, maybe. But I repeat Rogozin is not an Engineer! The interim leader so far, at the time of repression. Itself will leave, perhaps, or maybe a talent that rammed with itself. Not all specialists are chuhalye and traitors. There are those who chop the idea, those who have a DREAM, with capital letters, and not just a bungalow in the Canaries ...
          2. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 20: 51 New
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            Not trying to justify, friend ...
            I do not blame ... That's all.
            They called it a breakup and it means it was ....)))))) Wow .... It turned out the main thing in orbit past the hose is not to do it. Ah - and the size so that in height ... And for a couple of millions to throw a tantrum - the size is too big.
            Pancake. Soon the Jews will be tailors., ... tn to each ass will have to ... Mask touched ... Send the designer, Elon Mask
        2. Alf
          Alf April 12 2020 18: 09 New
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          Quote: Thick
          Well ... at least it doesn’t fly away ...

          It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.
          1. Catholic April 12 2020 20: 13 New
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            Quote: Alf
            It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.

            This is very difficult for him ... He likes to interfere and prevent others from working.
            1. Alf
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              Quote: Catholic
              Quote: Alf
              It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.

              This is very difficult for him ... He likes to interfere and prevent others from working.

              The first sign of stupidity is not to let others work. Rogozin is a journalist in his first profession, whose main and only working body is language, in the complete absence of such a thing as "conscience."
          2. Fat
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            Others are either under investigation or at Mask. Not?
      2. Catholic April 12 2020 20: 14 New
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        Quote: Graduate student
        Rogozin is just ... an official.

        And the not-so-successful official ...
      3. Fat
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        Thoughts on!
        Musk is going to introduce into space the ideology of unbridled consumption ... Is this good?
        Privately, ???
        Schaz .....

        ..
    3. Catholic April 12 2020 20: 15 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      Rogozin ironically declares
      but you have to work.

      And what can he do if everywhere he has one failure
      1. Fat
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        Why alone??? Complex ... Kirdyk is inevitable? Not?
        Well, excuse me, I, disapproving, respect this engineer ... Yu ...
        Maybe ... the class would be guided by him ....
  3. 7,62h54 April 12 2020 14: 25 New
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    That one, that the other, both crooks. One is a little more lucky.
    1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 11 New
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      Is anyone lucky? Rogozin? Yes, he is lucky. He did not make official claims at the Vostochny Cosmodrome ...
      1. Fat
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        Him? New New .....
    2. Torak April 12 2020 15: 27 New
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      Yes, not really to get lucky, there is a murky story with this Mask. I tried to dig a little bit on this topic. To the campaign, all he does is 60-70% state money and is strictly controlled by the US leadership. There is some kind of super-cunning multi-port and Musk in it looks like just a doll.
      1. orionvitt April 12 2020 16: 15 New
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        Quote: Torak
        The mask in her looks like just a doll.

        Tell it to those for whom "Mask is our everything." They don’t need anything. The main thing is that everything that they have is good, but everything that is in Russia is just awful. I can imagine what amounts are laundered through the Mask office.
        1. Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 16 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          I can imagine what amounts are laundered through the Mask office.

          Are you sure Musk holds tons of cash in a rented apartment somewhere in downtown New York?
          But for us, such facts are routine and everyday life.
          1. orionvitt April 13 2020 11: 05 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Are you sure Musk holds tons of cash in a rented apartment somewhere in downtown New York?

            Do not pretend to be mentally impaired. Musk launders money quite legally, with the full consent of Congress and in accordance with American lobbying laws. The colonel with "tons of money", among other things, was planted. What was completely impossible to imagine, even 10-15 years ago.
            1. Malyuta April 13 2020 11: 10 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              Do not pretend to be mentally impaired.

              Agree that pretending is still better than being one. hi
              1. orionvitt April 13 2020 11: 30 New
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                Quote: Malyuta
                Agree that pretending is better than being

                From what you and congratulations.
            2. Stas157 April 13 2020 14: 41 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              The colonel with "tons of money", among other things, was planted. What was completely impossible to imagine, another 10-15 years ago.

              Found whose money?

              And they won’t "find"! They already know everything. But the way to the top is ordered. Therefore, there is no need to experience illusions about “fair” justice. The colonel was only a bargaining chip in the "undercover" war about power clans.
              1. orionvitt April 13 2020 22: 19 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                Therefore, do not have illusions about “fair” justice

                No one experiences illusions. Read carefully. I said that even ten years ago, this was simply impossible. But things are moving. Though with a creak.
              2. Torak April 14 2020 10: 42 New
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                Most of the dollars were freshly printed and packaged by the Fed. This was reported in the first hours of detention and even then a photo went through the network. Then abruptly all the media began to omit this fact. This form of cash can only be entered into the territory of the Russian Federation with the diplomatic mail of the United States. So this part was intended for subversive activities in the Russian Federation (including the bribery of officials)
      2. Catholic April 12 2020 20: 10 New
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        Quote: Torak
        60-70% state money and strictly controlled by the US leadership

        It turns out both Mask and Rogozin of one field of the berry.
  4. Engineer Schukin April 12 2020 14: 28 New
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    hospadi, what kind of nonsense journalists are distributing, and VO is replicating

    Eric Berger wrote on his Twitter comment:
    https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1248637032571772932

    Musk left his short kament. In the same place. Everything, absolutely everyday story, where Musk writes something daily.

    In response, Rogozin jumped out on Twitter, and began to anneal about "I do not need decrees, Putin gives me decrees !!"
    https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1248956883936960513

    Moreover, referring to the Tape, which Mask's answer to Berger raised in a clickbait header. Which only emphasizes how Rogozin is inadequate and disgraceful.

    Rogozin has a good comment under the tweet:
    Well, firstly - not from Washington, but from Hawthorne.
    Secondly - not instructions, but the answer to the commentary on the article.
    And thirdly, the comment is not for
    @roscosmos
    , but for a journalist.

    Dmitry, stop thinking about Ilon Mask all the time, he does not think about you at all.
    [Quote] [/ quote]
  5. Million April 12 2020 14: 28 New
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    On Cosmonautics Day, writing about Rogozin is sacrilege.
    1. DMB 75 April 12 2020 14: 36 New
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      Not today, quite right! This personality causes a complete negative.
      1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 12 New
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        This personality causes a complete negative.

        And besides, it's still put it mildly ...
    2. Catholic April 12 2020 19: 58 New
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      Rogozin and astronautics are far apart ...
      1. Doccor18 April 12 2020 20: 44 New
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        Rogozin and the country are farther apart.
    3. Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 12 New
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      Quote: Million
      On Cosmonautics Day, writing about Rogozin is sacrilege.

      And we have the whole country is now complete blasphemy. We are all overwhelmed with pride in the Victories and Feats of our ancestors, only dancing and PR for them, their Victories and Feats, we completely calmly look at how their Heritage and their Conquests are purposefully destroyed. Is this not blasphemy?
      1. Million April 12 2020 22: 29 New
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        Yes, that is right. And the conquest of space and Victory Day is the victory of another country, which is no longer ....
  6. businessv April 12 2020 14: 28 New
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    Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends! Health, happiness, all earthly blessings!
    1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 15 New
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      USSR conquered Cosmos first!
      1. Fat
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        Well. At least one adequate comment. Thank! And you with a holiday.
        All enthralled in politics ...
        They do not see Our Spring.
      2. Alf
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        Quote: Graduate student
        USSR conquered Cosmos first!

    2. Light April 12 2020 16: 37 New
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      Join us!
  7. sanik2020 April 12 2020 14: 34 New
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    As Comrade MAESTRO used to say:
    -If the fokker or messer is to fill up, this is the first squadron, but if you get something, this is the second.
    You just have to do and show, I can, I did.
    Brains in a heap, a will in a fist, the only way.
    1. Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 16 New
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      You just have to do and show, I can, I did.
      Brains in a heap, a will in a fist, the only way.

      Are you talking about Rogozin now?
    2. Motorist April 12 2020 15: 52 New
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      -If the fokker or messer is to fill up, this is the first squadron, but if you get something, this is the second.

      A little vice versa ... wink
  8. Amateur April 12 2020 14: 36 New
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    These two talkers are competing who will compose prettier. In the east, such wit competitions are called “Askiya,” and their participants are called Askiya.
    The most prominent enjoy popular love as masters of the word.
    1. onix757 April 12 2020 14: 56 New
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      Only one talker has 60% of commercial launches with the prospect of an increase, while the other has 10% and <year from year
    2. Fat
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      It is bad that the askiyabozlik, and not just a goat ... Yes, masters ... Words.
      For example, I also wrote down some bad words in a thesaurus ... So what? I'm sitting like most in self-isolation ..
      I have already stopped shaving, soon I’m completely wild ...
      Ha! And at the same time I believe that people still need my work ...
      1. Amateur April 12 2020 16: 39 New
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        Now on Star TV, on the occasion of Cosmonautics Day, they showed a Rogozin video of 2011 on how to build the Vostochny Cosmodrome and in 2015 a new spaceship "Russia" will fly for 6 cosmonauts, and then four of them on the moon.
        Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?
        1. Fat
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          Unfortunately, no, this is not a joke; this is the advertisement of the Rogozin Krasnobaev, local bui. Well, this comrade (Rogozin) cannot take everyone to the zugunder, wholesome.
          I’ll tell you ... Stalin is not on them ...
          But there are no blacks, these people are not white ... Zebras are opportunistic, cockroaches ...
          1. Amateur April 12 2020 17: 37 New
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            it’s the advertisement of the pre-Rogozin Krasnobaev,

            And why is there a surname Rogozin among the authors of the film? Guessed? fool
            1. Fat
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              Did not see. I don’t like the video. Text Yes? Let me read it. Well. Type link
              1. Amateur April 12 2020 18: 22 New
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                Did not see. I don’t like the video. Text Yes? Let me read it. Well. Type link

                And plates with a blue border and keys to the apartment? It also says: "On the Star Channel" ...
                1. Fat
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                  Yeah., Tact, yeah ...
                  .. "Return the sausage! Give the sausage, d ..... to. Come back! I'll forgive everything"
                  12 chairs...
                2. Fat
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                  I had a better opinion of you, amateur, well, they called themselves a cargo ... And in the first mushroom category, redneck prevents?
        2. Catholic April 12 2020 19: 48 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?

          They probably just tease both Rogozin and Roskosmos
        3. Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 01 New
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          Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?

          They are not kidding, but simply mocking the gullible slander, who for 20 years to believe in any promises.
          The other day, a high-ranking official said in an informal atmosphere that "plebs would believe in everything that we say on television" and many scrapes live up to the expectations of leaders.
    3. Catholic April 12 2020 19: 51 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      wit competitions are called "Askia", and their participants - Askiyabozlik.

      Judging by everything, Rogozin is the winner in this contest. yes
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    1. Deniska999 April 12 2020 14: 43 New
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      It seems that only you are trained here. If you have nothing to say on the case, pass by.
    2. Amateur April 12 2020 15: 06 New
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      Ours has nothing to do in this article.

      Are you from Roskosmos? hi
    3. Leshy1975 April 12 2020 15: 10 New
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      Quote: Mobius
      Ours has nothing to do in this article .. !!! Here the dogs are trained .. Let bark at each other .. lol
      And we will laugh !!! And celebrate the holiday .. drinks bully

      Yours already laughed (source https://www.mid.ru/en/home from 1.04.2020 21:00):

      On signing the Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Burundi on the non-deployment of weapons by the first in space

      534-01-04-2020

      en-RU1 fr-FR1 en-GB1

      MESSAGE FOR MEDIA



      On February 18, in Bujumbura and March 27 in Moscow, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation S.V. Lavrov and the Republic of Burundi E. Nibigira signed the Joint Statement on the Non-Placing of Weapons in Space (NPOK) by the first.

      The joint statement was the next step in the globalization of the international initiative on NGOs. To date, the only measure of transparency and confidence implemented to prevent an arms race in outer space, this initiative has become a significant political factor contributing to the strengthening of international peace, ensuring equal and indivisible security for all, as well as increasing the predictability and sustainability of the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes.

      In a joint statement, the Russian Federation and the Republic of Burundi call on countries not participating in the NGOC initiative to consider the possibility of full-scale accession to it.

      PS I'm still confused. Either the site of the Russian Foreign Ministry is a place for clownery and booth, or indeed, the level of space achievements of the Russian Federation has reached such radiant heights that agreements related to space have risen to the level of the Republic of Burundi.
      1. Self April 12 2020 15: 27 New
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        The Ministry of Foreign Affairs simply showed that a sense of humor is not alien to them either. That is, the April Fools' Day news did not surprise you? )))
        1. Leshy1975 April 12 2020 15: 46 New
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          The Ministry of Foreign Affairs simply showed that a sense of humor is not alien to them either. That is, the April Fools' Day news did not surprise you? )))

          It seems to me it is written:
          PS I'm still confused. Whether the site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is a place for clownery and booth
  10. ximkim April 12 2020 15: 02 New
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    Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?
    1. Bobrick April 12 2020 15: 18 New
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      In the mids he was seen in fraud in the stock markets.
      A little later, in investing funds of investors in the purchase of shares of their company in order to increase the cost of 1 share and, as a result, increase the company's capitalization in the stock markets and further increase investor investments.

      Although, to sow the Soviet reserve in space and not to realize at least something in the normal way, one must manage.
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        No need to manage. Enough to tear the country ... In Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. There is a cosmodrome (Baikonur), there are smart advanced rockets (Yuzhmash), and we only have ships ... E and drawings of the lunar module of the N1 rocket ...
        Fso! They broke the USSR and cosmonautics in J ...
        And we can, if together, even now.
    2. iouris April 12 2020 15: 18 New
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      Seen in the theft of funds

      all of humanity
    3. Demon_is_ada April 12 2020 16: 07 New
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      Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
      That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi
    4. orionvitt April 12 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: ximkim
      Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?

      How can the Mask be reproached for theft, or the theft of funds, if in the USA, this is legalized at the legislative level. Pay taxes from the stolen, show the accounting statements, write off the losses and you're clean. Which is used by all large corporations and their lobby in the US government.
    5. Fat
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      Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?

      It was. Was ... On a worthy country scale. Merged because useful...
  11. Jarserge April 12 2020 15: 25 New
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    They have such a hard job ... one even live weed puffed. What is the fact that the other budget of the country is "sawing" successfully and for a long time. Countries are only different
    1. Catholic April 12 2020 19: 45 New
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      Countries are only different

      But the essence of them is the same, as you rightly noted, to knock out and cut money from the budget
    2. Vadim237 April 12 2020 20: 48 New
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      So far only one of them is engaged in trynding and this is not Musk.
      1. Malyuta April 12 2020 20: 52 New
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        So far only one of them is engaged in trynding and this is not Musk.

        I put you the real + and think how this could happen ?! good
      2. Jarserge April 13 2020 08: 34 New
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        You ignore the facts ..... If you compare what the mask promised (performed) and what you did ..... With PR, it’s true he’s not an example to Rogozin, so you’ve led him ........... .
        1. Vadim237 April 13 2020 12: 44 New
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          At least all that Musk promised is done albeit with shifts, but you can see all this: reusable stages fly, superheavy rocket flies, reusable cargo ships have already flown to the ISS their program, a new manned spacecraft for the first flight with the crew is on the rocket and on the launch, Starlins launch reusable methane rocket engines Raptor launched into serial production a reusable interplanetary manned system is being created - and all this with a team of 7000 people has been created and is being created since 2010. And what about Roskosmos, which has 500 managers and 240000 employees for the same period - accidents on accidents, complete gouging in the production line, rocket not flyer Angara cosmodrome of unfinished buildings with constant theft during the construction of Vostochny 130 billion Khrunichev debts and another 300 billion critical needs to modernize the whole industries, the absolute slowness of all space activities with Rogozin’s dreams of a space elevator, flights to the Moon, a base on the Moon, a flight to Mars, his station in Earth’s orbit - the Science module will not fly again this year, the project is the Eagle, the Union’s alterations for flights to the Moon, Soyuz 5, Angpra 5B, Soyuz 7, Yenisei, Don 2028th everything will fly - the truth is incomprehensible in a dream or in reality. But I know for sure that in 2028 no one will ask anything from Rogozin for anything promised - since by this time he will be retired and the “cart” as it stood still will continue to stand.
          1. Jarserge April 13 2020 14: 25 New
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            Thanks for the detailed answer. It seems that you are a fan of I. Mask. But this is not so rosy. However, these are problems above the mentioned Mask. You just forget about the advertising component of the American lifestyle. I don’t even know why this bacchanalia has nothing to compare on what is not justified reports on achievements .... So alas, alas, Rogozin and masks stand at each other only and "the pipe is lower and the smoke is smoother"
            1. Vadim237 April 14 2020 12: 18 New
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              And I am a fan of Mask and his company - I respect the engineer as an engineer. The advertising component - only the Roscosmos has in balabalism, in fact, the whole thing slowed down in everything. "I don’t even know why this bacchanalia has nothing to compare on what is not substantiated reports on achievements ...." - I didn’t understand what you mean.
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                Elon Musk is an entrepreneur with an engineering degree, nothing more. But there’s nothing to understand, 90% of I. Mask’s achievements are the same chatter as Rogozin’s. Only he looks prettier, better. Allow me to have my own opinion.
  12. Self April 12 2020 15: 29 New
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    Mr. Rogozin can be congratulated. He finally discovered the concept of competition.
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      Quote: Self
      Mr. Rogozin can be congratulated. He finally discovered the concept of competition.

      Here I agree. And this is serious.
      It's time to stop being a journalist. Do not blame the national team, but stand on the skates.
      If you know how to let him do it and do it honestly. We will appreciate, then, maybe.
      And then it will remain in history as Krasnobay with a trampoline
  13. Thrifty April 12 2020 16: 21 New
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    Could the French even today not spoil Russia Holiday-Cosmonautics Day! Let them swear, if only it would bear the damage of our cosmonautics.
    1. Catholic April 12 2020 19: 42 New
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      Could the French even today not spoil Russia

      They can’t forgive us for the year 1812, that’s how they spoil it, but they can only write all kinds of nonsense.
  14. Engineer Schukin April 12 2020 16: 28 New
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    Quote: Demon_is_ada
    Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
    That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi

    Sorry what? laughing
    Is Tesla all?

    Do you live in the forest and go on the Internet for coupons? Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.
    You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.
    1. Cheerock April 12 2020 19: 35 New
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      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Quote: Demon_is_ada
      Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
      That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi

      Sorry what? laughing
      Is Tesla all?

      Do you live in the forest and go on the Internet for coupons? Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.
      You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.

      Yes Yes Yes. Only losses for 2019 were almost a billion with immediate assistance from the US government for 594 million. Excellent business back and forth. good
      1. Demon_is_ada April 12 2020 20: 04 New
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        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.

        In full "adequate", and most importantly, in the stream of the trend (the owner of the order to magnify the Mask) lay claim to the title of "respected adequate people of society" lol But I liked it very much
        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.

        You go straight into the street and there all of them are cut in Teslamobiles, well, right Volkswagen is a people's car laughing This is success !!! By the way, does the lithium battery plant in the homeland of our “partners” work? You do not know? Or covered with a copper basin along with lithium in Venezuela? lol
  15. qobnvmog April 12 2020 17: 56 New
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    This is the whole cynicism and hypocrisy of our opponents. Instead of a fair fight in the space launch market, they lobby sanctions against us and use dumping with impunity. And when they are asked about the real price of the launch service, they blush and instead of answering try to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

    - Dude really accuses a private company of implementing its own business strategy? He has a fever, was he checked for the Crown?

    Interestingly, this is when he asked Ilon about the cost, and Ilon averted his eyes or directed something somewhere?
  16. T.Henks April 12 2020 18: 33 New
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    First of all, everyone concerned, with a holiday. Many do not know the day of astronautics.
    Since we are talking about the French here., The previous taxing industry was for kind labor even some kind order. They did not respect the present.
    1. Pardus April 13 2020 01: 01 New
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      They did not respect the present.

      He still has everything ahead ...
  17. 23424636 April 12 2020 19: 57 New
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    [quote = DMB 75] And who is Ragozin? According to the Accounting Chamber, almost half of the financial irregularities in the country are related to this state corporation. Of the total amount of 1 trillion 865 billion of identified violations, 760 billion rubles. accounts for the space industry, according to the report of the auditors. [/ I respect Rogozin. Russian people. not to be afraid of difficulties. And all the Jewish husks are very tense from his statements. Dima the club-footed was very shaking that Rogozin would turn him down. And did everything to put him down. Thanks to the GDP, he did not allow this.
    1. Vadim237 April 12 2020 20: 54 New
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      By the way, Medvedev was sent to help Rogozin to join the Roskosmos Council - Well, now they will show everyone how to steer with space means - two Dimona is power.
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        Two of the casket. Cool cartoon. Here they’ll bake pies!
  18. Khoja Nasredin April 12 2020 20: 28 New
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    Space thief and yap Rogozin has no right to stand next to the Mask
    1. Pardus April 13 2020 01: 00 New
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      The mask is the same as Rogozin
  19. slipped April 12 2020 21: 30 New
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    Meanwhile, while on the Internet the sofa warriors and sectarians of Mask continue to pander in insults to the leadership of Roscosmos, the next Progress MS-14 cargo ship is admitted and prepared for refueling.



    In accordance with the schedule, on April 13-14, specialists of RSC Energia and specialized enterprises of Roscosmos will carry out planned operations for refueling TGC Progress MS-14 with fuel components and compressed gases.

    The launch of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle with the Progress MS-14 TGC is scheduled for April 25, 2020 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome under the program of the 75th mission of the International Space Station.
    1. Vadim237 April 12 2020 22: 34 New
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      And with SpaceX Falcon 9, with the sixth installment, Starlink should fly on April 16th.
      1. slipped April 12 2020 22: 58 New
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        And on April 17, the landing of the Soyuz MS-15 TPK with the crew of the 61st expedition. laughing
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    Yes, as modern people say a lot of hype on the Day of Soviet Cosmonautics can not be caught, on Rogozin and Mask it is possible.
    1. Pardus April 13 2020 00: 51 New
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      What a hype ...
  21. NordUral April 12 2020 22: 47 New
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    today "there is a confrontation between SpaceX and Russia."
    Yura said: “Let's go,” and we arrived with Rogozin and K!
  22. Maks1995 April 12 2020 23: 53 New
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    But Rogozin never answered who drilled the holes.

    once silent - most likely our marked ...
    Championship on launches - under Yeltsin kept, and now profuka ...
    1. Pardus April 13 2020 00: 50 New
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      Quote: Max1995
      But Rogozin never answered who drilled the holes.

      I didn’t answer, because I don’t know.
      Quote: Max1995
      time is silent - rather, our noted

      Would you like this very much?
      P.S. Who is yours?
      1. Maks1995 April 13 2020 00: 53 New
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        If it’s not in the subject, then don’t meddle .... with provocations
        The oligarch Rogozin said he knows, but will not answer, despite a personal promise.
    2. Vadim237 April 13 2020 12: 52 New
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      These were ours, the workers showed their activity and attitude to work in the workshop - the American astronauts didn’t have such boobs to drill holes in the body in orbit.
  23. Karaul15 April 13 2020 12: 54 New
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    What war of statements? How can one compare the engineer, the founder of an innovative space company, and some other "effective manager". Progress is moving and on Soviet technology it is no longer possible to compete. Rogozin has the first priority to cut the budget, and if he sincerely thinks that it is possible to be the first in space, then this does not happen.
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