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The press of France announced the "war of declarations" of Dmitry Rogozin and Elon Musk

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In the French press, on Cosmonautics Day, material was published that talks about the confrontation between Russia and the United States in the space industry, including the confrontation, so to speak, in rhetoric. An editorial from La Tribune stated that today "there is a confrontation between SpaceX and Russia."


From the article:
This is a war of statements by Dmitry Rogozin and Ilon Mask.

The La Tribune article says the following:

Russia believes that SpaceX lowers launch prices and also benefits from US sanctions against Moscow. Elon Musk advises them to launch reusable launchers. The head of the Russian Space Agency, Dmitry Rogozin, on Saturday accused the American company SpaceX of billionaire Ilon Mask of underestimating the prices of commercial launches, forcing Russia to lower its tariffs.

The material cites the publication of the head of Roskosmos on Twitter:

This is the whole cynicism and hypocrisy of our opponents. Instead of a fair fight in the space launch market, they lobby sanctions against us and use dumping with impunity. And when they are asked about the real price of the launch service, they blush and instead of answering try to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

The same article cites the statement of Elon Musk, who responded to dumping claims. According to the owner of SpaceX, "the problem is that SpaceX launchers and spacecraft can be reused in about 80% of cases, while Russia does not."

La Tribune, meanwhile, reminded its readers of the ironic statement of Dmitry Rogozin made several years ago. We are talking about how Rogozin spoke of "the possible use of trampolines to send the US their astronauts into space."
Photos used:
Twitter / Dmitry Rogozin
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  1. iouris
    iouris April 12 2020 14: 18 New
    -22
    And who is Ilon Musk?
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 12 2020 14: 22 New
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      And who is Ragozin? According to the Accounting Chamber, almost half of the financial irregularities in the country are associated with this state corporation. Of the total amount of 1 trillion 865 billion of identified violations, 760 billion rubles. accounts for the space industry, according to a report from auditors.
      1. knn54
        knn54 April 12 2020 15: 06 New
        52
        Зато есть УНИКАЛЬНЫЙ космодром, на котором "посадки "начались раньше, чем старты.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka April 12 2020 15: 30 New
          13
          Quote: knn54
          Зато есть УНИКАЛЬНЫЙ космодром, на котором "посадки "начались раньше, чем старты.

          Bravo....
        2. Mestny
          Mestny April 12 2020 17: 17 New
          -13
          Nothing, the starts also began.
          And the more of them there will be, the more there will be malicious anger at this.
        3. for
          for April 12 2020 22: 49 New
          0
          Quote: knn54
          "посадки "начались раньше, чем старты.

          And then main the ships did not land.
      2. kjhg
        kjhg April 12 2020 15: 35 New
        30
        Quote: DMB 75
        And who is Ragozin?

        It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.

        with a man who was appointed the head of an existing state-owned space corporation with an already existing large client base that launches reliable Soviet rockets worked out for decades, also sitting on state funding, managing to lose almost all its customers, unable to stop the collapse of the space sector, which is repeatedly shocked by multi-billion dollar corruption scandals. This comparison, to put it mildly, is strange. The scope of the personality is completely different. As one outstanding leader said, cadres decide everything.
        1. poquello
          poquello April 12 2020 15: 55 New
          +9
          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: DMB 75
          And who is Ragozin?

          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.
          .

          do not drive, not April 1st, Elon Musk is a US commercial agent in areas where it is inconvenient for state-owned companies to break the rules, the rest is a beautiful fairy tale
        2. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 April 12 2020 15: 56 New
          10
          Quote: kjhg
          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket, testing and eliminating all the most difficult technical problems, finding launch customers, willing to risk valuable companions developing more and more rockets, etc.

          People who believe in such nonsense amuse me)) I found it myself, designed it myself)))
          Musk initially received dimensionless funding from the state, only for the IDEA of development, plus he was given all the ongoing developments on missiles and handed over to specialists. This is a man of the state and has nothing in common with the private.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 16: 01 New
            0
            Mdya ... Normally, like a state ventura ... Maybe.
          2. boss
            boss April 12 2020 19: 39 New
            -2
            We streamline and envy that the US government MAY ALLOW FOR such a beautiful fairy tale.
            And the spaceport is not particularly needed from floating platforms, as they launch it, the most interesting things are accepted.
            Agree, the fairy tale created by Mask has become a reality, it's a pity we just haven’t
            1. Dreamboat
              Dreamboat April 12 2020 22: 10 New
              -5
              Quote: patron
              We streamline and envy that the US government MAY ALLOW FOR such a beautiful fairy tale.
              And the spaceport is not particularly needed from floating platforms, as they launch it, the most interesting things are accepted.
              Agree, the fairy tale created by Mask has become a reality, it's a pity we just haven’t

              Unless in your fantasies. While we see the one-time launch of reusable ships, falling past platforms and disrupting the program of manned flights.
              1. Nosgoth
                Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 35 New
                -2
                О как свидетели секты Маска наминусовали. Типа, "Вы фсё фрёте!" laughing

                And I’m even interested to watch his big shiny garbage cans explode regularly lol
        3. APASUS
          APASUS April 12 2020 16: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: kjhg
          It’s completely incorrect to compare a person who created a private company from scratch,

          That's for sure !
          Elon Musk is not a genius, but a banal crook. 85% SpaxeX Funding - NASA Money
          "However, SpaceX receives the majority of its funding from NASA, and according to one internal NASA document, as much as 85 percent of the company’s revenues to date have come from the space agency through its multibillion dollar commercial crew and cargo contracts. Put simply, if not for NASA, SpaceX would probably be flying the Falcon 1 or 5 rocket today or might not exist at all"

          Original article: http: //arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/we-love-spacex-and-we-hope-it-reaches-mars-but-we-spacex-to-focus/
          1. spirit
            spirit April 12 2020 19: 10 New
            +6
            That would be us so scammers)
            1. Nosgoth
              Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 36 New
              -1
              Full of. They can’t transplant everyone laughing
        4. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke April 12 2020 17: 36 New
          +8
          Quote: kjhg
          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch, writing a business project, finding investors, convincing them to invest a lot of money in a very risky project, designing a SPACE ROCKET WITH STEPS OF REUSABLE USE, creating this rocket,

          Not in defense of Rogozin.
          It seems to me that behind the mask of Elon Musk and his luck and fortune are the ranks of the US intelligence
          точно по той же схеме, как и за "удачливостью" проектов Сороса.
          Washing-masking offices and persons. 1: 1.
          1. boss
            boss April 12 2020 19: 45 New
            14
            Yes, this is their business. it means gorgeous special services, since such fantastic results.
            And we have Zakharchenko, Dryman and similar thieves. oh yes, they also stole the cosmodrome construction site.
            These are objectively the results of our special services.
            So they want to fly more than us
        5. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat April 12 2020 22: 06 New
          -10
          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: DMB 75
          And who is Ragozin?

          It is completely incorrect to compare the person who created a private company from scratch

          Совершенно некорректно сравнивать подставное лицо пиар проекта США, использующей под видом частной компании все наработки украденные NASA по всему миру и призванного внушить аборигенам трепет перед "надувной" технической мощью гегемона, с главой нашего аэрокосмического агентства.
          Russia and the United States made almost the same number of space launches in 2019 with much less funding, did not lose ships and stages, unlike some. And both lost to China ....
        6. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth April 14 2020 09: 32 New
          0
          Did he draw the rocket himself?

          А ничего, что он просто торгаш, каким был и Стив Джобс, который не только использовал окружающих (того же Стива Возняка, который и придумывал техническую часть в начале создания Эппл, а Джобс его ещё и на бабки кидал), но и красиво втирал про округлости дизайна (для хомячков то, что надо). Да и Теслу не Маск создал, а просто выгодно "вложился" в то, что придумали другие. В космической отрасли то же самое, "говорящая голова" на полном донате правительства США (НАСА и Пентагона в частности). А по сути он мошенник и аферист (народ уже не один год ждёт предоплаченную зарядную станцию для своих Тесл, так же и ГиперЗAлуп будут долго ещё "пилить", и со всем остальным). Просто укуренный торгаш. Ничего более.
      3. Tusv
        Tusv April 12 2020 16: 05 New
        16
        And who is Ilon Musk?
        And who is Ragozin?
        Science does not know these individuals. The most famous fact is Korolev - East - Gagarin. And no one disputes this, in contrast to the moon landing
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich
          Ravil_Asnafovich April 12 2020 16: 48 New
          +7
          And Squirrel and Arrow?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv April 12 2020 16: 58 New
            10
            Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
            And Squirrel and Arrow?

            How truly heroic personalities outshine Chip and Dale's halo of glory
        2. muham
          muham April 13 2020 11: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          And who is Ilon Musk?
          And who is Ragozin?
          Science does not know these individuals. The most famous fact is Korolev - East - Gagarin. And no one disputes this, in contrast to the moon landing

          We read, enlighten:
          http://imho.ws/showthread.php?t=100348
      4. Blondy
        Blondy April 12 2020 17: 10 New
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        After all, what’s interesting: the general, the head of the investigation department, were dismissed for two deputy bribe takers. And Rogozin, who has half of his superiors under the command of thieves, is like water from a goose.
        1. da Vinci
          da Vinci April 12 2020 19: 08 New
          +6
          Something similar with Serdyukov, Chubais, etc.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 12 2020 22: 28 New
        0
        Rogozin is the one to whom the trampolines began to be harvested - that’s what gives out all the dregs on Twitter.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 14: 24 New
      -8
      And who is Ilon Musk?

      Something between Zelensky and Rogozin.

      It seems that they found what to launch from the Sea Launch instead of the Zenith. This will be a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.
      Roscosmos plans to launch a new-generation Soyuz-5 rocket from the Sea Launch floating spaceport. Now he is moored at the Slavic Shipyard. The residents of Primorsky Krai were informed about this by the head of the region Oleg Kozhemyako.
      “We are proud that our country became the first in space exploration and laid the foundation for a new era in the development of mankind. Today, space technology is used not only in large-scale projects for the exploration of the Universe, but also in various areas of everyday life - from navigation systems to household appliances. Our region also contributes to the development of the space industry, ”the governor wrote in a congratulation. - Primorsky Territory has become the home base of the Sea Launch floating spaceport, from which Roscosmos plans to launch a new-generation Soyuz-5 rocket.

      https://m.dv.kp.ru/daily/27116/4196443/
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2020 16: 33 New
        +8
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        It will be a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.
        Да вот беда в том, что эта ракета "съела" среднюю "Ангару", на конструирование которой уже затрачено много сил и средств, сейчас придется так же тратится на эту...хотя, по большому счету "Союз-5", это "импортозамещенный" ракето-носитель "Зенит", еще из СССР
        1. slipped
          slipped April 12 2020 19: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          the construction of which has already expended a lot of effort and resources


          Even there is no EP, do not invent.
      2. slipped
        slipped April 12 2020 19: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Roscosmos plans to launch a new generation Soyuz-5 rocket.


        Ох уж эти главы.... "Союз-5" в SL банально не влезет, размеры больше. Если S7 space захочет, то сделают на базе "Союза-5" другую ракету.
    3. Teberii
      Teberii April 12 2020 14: 25 New
      +9
      A man who knows how to make money and direct it to the business he needs. Ragozin is not able to deal with state funds.
      1. Graduate student
        Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 08 New
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        Quote: Teberii
        Ragozin is not able to deal with state funds.

        How is it unable? Very able to. Dmitry Rogozin manages Roscosmos, which manages the Vostochny spaceport. And about the East did not write only a lazy journalist ...
      2. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 15: 42 New
        -3
        Вся его беда в том, что может, но не в состоянии. Порой Федерация бессильна перед дальними воротилами, что взяли регионы не для отдаленеого общего светлого будущего а тупо "на кормление"...
        They take on a zugunder mixed up in tricks, shake ... And in addition to instead of bank notes in his pockets, tobacco dust ... And an honest look ...))))
      3. 4ekist
        4ekist April 12 2020 16: 14 New
        +6
        "...Следственный комитет завершил расследование причин аварии ракеты-носителя «Протон» с тремя спутниками ГЛОНАСС, произошедшей в 2013 году. Сотрудники ГК НПЦ им. Хруничева, которые названы поименно, установили «вверх ногами» датчики угловых скоростей, а представитель Минобороны не проверил это. Эксперты, однако, сомневаются, что именно эти люди должны быть признаны виновными..."

        Где еще такое могло произойти? миллиарды безвозвратно улетели не в космос, а в "трубу", были и другие косяки и на земле тоже. Неприятно. однако, вспоминать в День Космонавтики.
        1. cost
          cost April 12 2020 17: 29 New
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          Today the country celebrates Cosmonautics Day. Happy Holidays drinks

          А во что-то мне Рогозина и его "выскоэффективных менеджеров" в этот день поздравлять совсем не хочется
        2. Lekov L
          Lekov L April 12 2020 17: 36 New
          +1
          ... The Investigative Committee completed an investigation into the causes of the accident of the Proton launch vehicle with three GLONASS satellites

          При чем тут "распил"? sad
          This pulls on a completely different article .. request
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
            ALEX_SHTURMAN April 12 2020 22: 56 New
            +1
            The cut here could be directly connected, the launch was insured, the satellites might have been, or maybe some unfinished ones, maybe someone was interested so that the launch didn’t take place, but the money went away, there was still a strange death for the shop manager, he was thrown off the roof, or maybe dropped recorded for suicide.
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    5. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko April 12 2020 15: 41 New
      +8
      Sales Manager laughing
    6. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane April 12 2020 16: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      And who is Ilon Musk?

      он реальный деятель космической отрасли, в отличии от говорящей, бестолковой и воровской головы "Рогозина"
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan April 12 2020 16: 53 New
        -13
        Do not roll barrels on Dmitry Olegovich. Stupid people do not get to such heights.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane April 12 2020 16: 56 New
          +7
          Quote: Ronald Reagan
          Stupid people do not get to such heights.

          Yes you? only loyal dogs and no more are loved at the top, the rest is needed after the tasks ... but they don’t shine such places if they don’t become devotees!
        2. iouris
          iouris April 12 2020 23: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Ronald Reagan
          Stupid people do not get to such heights.

          Тоже отнюдь не "бестолковые люди" Горби с Шеварнадзе, Калугин... дошли до степеней известных.
    7. Blondy
      Blondy April 12 2020 16: 54 New
      +8
      Well, obviously not a journalist like Rogozin,
    8. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 12 2020 17: 24 New
      +5
      And who is Ilon Mask? [/ Quote]
      And who is Rogozin? This is probably the one that even trampolined. [Quote = iouris] And who is Ilon Mask? [/ Quote]
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 12 2020 14: 18 New
    16
    Rogozin ironically declares
    but you have to work.
    Korolev was not up to the statements, there was work ...
    1. Fat
      Fat April 12 2020 14: 49 New
      -6
      Quote: Doccor18
      Rogozin ironically declares
      but you have to work.
      Korolev was not up to the statements, there was work ...

      He declared ... When he was deputy chairman of the military-industrial complex. Now he is only grumbling with displeasure ... They found a serious occupation for him - to rake the Augean stables.
    2. Graduate student
      Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 10 New
      30
      Compare Rogozin and the Great Queen is unthinkable. These are absolutely two different personalities. And if Korolev is a Person, then Rogozin is just ... an official.
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 15: 49 New
        -9
        So do not align. Korolev put on the wing a whole industry, completely new.
        And Rogozin rakes manure. We'll see. Apparently it’s not Hercules, well ... at least he doesn’t fly away ...
        Previously, when the USSR was referred to agriculture. Now into space ....
        1. Graduate student
          Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 55 New
          12
          Quote: Thick
          So do not align.

          So I do not align. You are now trying to justify it for the collapse.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 16: 49 New
            -10
            He is two years in space. He did enough, he sifted thieves. Why justify something. Makes business and norms.
            Before him, everything just pops, aha about orbital platforms and others like them. The budget didn’t go and merged with the language in D. The budget went so stratified that it wasn’t possible to understand where the child was and where the diaper was. I sincerely hope that Rogozin will transplant all the wise men and his mission will end there. He is not an engineer, but a warder.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi April 12 2020 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Thick
              He is two years in space. He did enough, he sifted thieves.

              Thieves should be dealt with by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSK and the prosecutor's office. If Roscosmos is engaged in them, then ... Then it is very interesting who will actually be engaged in space? Perhaps the Ministry of Education?
              1. Fat
                Fat April 12 2020 17: 41 New
                -13
                Rogozin, as it turned out, thinks slightly where the thief is. I don’t know, maybe personal experience, like Vidok’s.
                It’s very important for me personally that ours flew on our devices
                1. Fat
                  Fat April 12 2020 17: 53 New
                  -10
                  The charges are prosecutors. Verification is a consequence. Court finding guilty. Yeah
                  And who endured in this conflict. Rogozin as the plaintiff is the norm, maybe. But I repeat Rogozin is not an Engineer! The interim leader so far, at the time of repression. Itself will leave, perhaps, or maybe a talent that rammed with itself. Not all specialists are chuhalye and traitors. There are those who chop the idea, those who have a DREAM, with capital letters, and not just a bungalow in the Canaries ...
          2. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 20: 51 New
            -5
            Not trying to justify, friend ...
            I do not blame ... That's all.
            They called it a breakup and it means it was ....)))))) Wow .... It turned out the main thing in orbit past the hose is not to do it. Ah - and the size so that in height ... And for a couple of millions to throw a tantrum - the size is too big.
            Pancake. Soon the Jews will be tailors., ... tn to each ass will have to ... Mask touched ... Send the designer, Elon Mask
        2. Alf
          Alf April 12 2020 18: 09 New
          +8
          Quote: Thick
          Well ... at least it doesn’t fly away ...

          It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.
          1. Catholic
            Catholic April 12 2020 20: 13 New
            14
            Quote: Alf
            It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.

            This is very difficult for him ... He likes to interfere and prevent others from working.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 12 2020 20: 19 New
              +5
              Quote: Catholic
              Quote: Alf
              It would be better to swim and did not interfere with others.

              This is very difficult for him ... He likes to interfere and prevent others from working.

              Первый признак неумехи-не давать работать другим. Рогозин по первой профессии-журналист, главный и единственный рабочий орган которого-язык при полном отсутствии такого понятия как "совесть".
          2. Fat
            Fat April 12 2020 20: 23 New
            -3
            Others are either under investigation or at Mask. Not?
      2. Catholic
        Catholic April 12 2020 20: 14 New
        14
        Quote: Graduate student
        Rogozin is just ... an official.

        And the not-so-successful official ...
      3. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 21: 16 New
        -4
        Thoughts on!
        Musk is going to introduce into space the ideology of unbridled consumption ... Is this good?
        Privately, ???
        Schaz .....

        ..
    3. Catholic
      Catholic April 12 2020 20: 15 New
      11
      Quote: Doccor18
      Rogozin ironically declares
      but you have to work.

      And what can he do if everywhere he has one failure
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 21: 40 New
        -2
        Why alone??? Complex ... Kirdyk is inevitable? Not?
        Well, excuse me, I, disapproving, respect this engineer ... Yu ...
        Maybe ... the class would be guided by him ....
  3. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 12 2020 14: 25 New
    0
    That one, that the other, both crooks. One is a little more lucky.
    1. Graduate student
      Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 11 New
      15
      Is anyone lucky? Rogozin? Yes, he is lucky. He did not make official claims at the Vostochny Cosmodrome ...
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 21: 20 New
        -3
        Him? New New .....
    2. Torak
      Torak April 12 2020 15: 27 New
      12
      Yes, not really to get lucky, there is a murky story with this Mask. I tried to dig a little bit on this topic. To the campaign, all he does is 60-70% state money and is strictly controlled by the US leadership. There is some kind of super-cunning multi-port and Musk in it looks like just a doll.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 12 2020 16: 15 New
        -8
        Quote: Torak
        The mask in her looks like just a doll.

        Расскажите это тем, для которых "Маск это наше всё". Им не нужно ничего. Главное, всё что у них, это хорошо, а всё что в России, просто ужасно. Представляю, какие суммы отмываются через контору Маска.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 16 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          I can imagine what amounts are laundered through the Mask office.

          Are you sure Musk holds tons of cash in a rented apartment somewhere in downtown New York?
          But for us, such facts are routine and everyday life.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt April 13 2020 11: 05 New
            -3
            Quote: Malyuta
            Are you sure Musk holds tons of cash in a rented apartment somewhere in downtown New York?

            Не прикидывайтесь умственно ущербным. Маск отмывает деньги вполне законно, с полного согласия конгресса и в соответствии с американскими законами о лоббировании. Полковника же с "тоннами денег", между прочим посадили. Что было совершенно не возможно себе представить, ещё лет 10-15 назад.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta April 13 2020 11: 10 New
              +9
              Quote: orionvitt
              Do not pretend to be mentally impaired.

              Agree that pretending is still better than being one. hi
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt April 13 2020 11: 30 New
                -1
                Quote: Malyuta
                Agree that pretending is better than being

                From what you and congratulations.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 April 13 2020 14: 41 New
              +6
              Quote: orionvitt
              Полковника же с "тоннами денег", между прочим посадили. What was completely impossible to imagine, another 10-15 years ago.

              Found whose money?

              И не "найдут"! Они и так все знают. Но на верх путь заказан. Поэтому не надо испытывать иллюзий насчет "справедливого" правосудия. Полковник был лишь разменной фигурой в "подковерной" войне про властных кланов.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt April 13 2020 22: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                Поэтому не надо испытывать иллюзий насчет "справедливого" правосудия

                No one experiences illusions. Read carefully. I said that even ten years ago, this was simply impossible. But things are moving. Though with a creak.
              2. Torak
                Torak April 14 2020 10: 42 New
                0
                Most of the dollars were freshly printed and packaged by the Fed. This was reported in the first hours of detention and even then a photo went through the network. Then abruptly all the media began to omit this fact. This form of cash can only be entered into the territory of the Russian Federation with the diplomatic mail of the United States. So this part was intended for subversive activities in the Russian Federation (including the bribery of officials)
      2. Catholic
        Catholic April 12 2020 20: 10 New
        +8
        Quote: Torak
        60-70% state money and strictly controlled by the US leadership

        It turns out both Mask and Rogozin of one field of the berry.
  4. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin April 12 2020 14: 28 New
    18
    hospadi, what kind of nonsense journalists are distributing, and VO is replicating

    Eric Berger wrote on his Twitter comment:
    https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1248637032571772932

    Musk left his short kament. In the same place. Everything, absolutely everyday story, where Musk writes something daily.

    В ответ выскочил Рогозин в твитере, и стал отжигать про "мне указы не нужны, мне Путин указы раздаёт!!"
    https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1248956883936960513

    Moreover, referring to the Tape, which Mask's answer to Berger raised in a clickbait header. Which only emphasizes how Rogozin is inadequate and disgraceful.

    Rogozin has a good comment under the tweet:
    Well, firstly - not from Washington, but from Hawthorne.
    Secondly - not instructions, but the answer to the commentary on the article.
    And thirdly, the comment is not for
    @roscosmos
    , but for a journalist.

    Dmitry, stop thinking about Ilon Mask all the time, he does not think about you at all.
    [Quote] [/ quote]
  5. Million
    Million April 12 2020 14: 28 New
    24
    On Cosmonautics Day, writing about Rogozin is sacrilege.
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 12 2020 14: 36 New
      14
      Not today, quite right! This personality causes a complete negative.
      1. Graduate student
        Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 12 New
        14
        Quote: DMB 75
        This personality causes a complete negative.

        And besides, it's still put it mildly ...
    2. Catholic
      Catholic April 12 2020 19: 58 New
      14
      Rogozin and astronautics are far apart ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 12 2020 20: 44 New
        +1
        Rogozin and the country are farther apart.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 12 New
      12
      Quote: Million
      On Cosmonautics Day, writing about Rogozin is sacrilege.

      And we have the whole country is now complete blasphemy. We are all overwhelmed with pride in the Victories and Feats of our ancestors, only dancing and PR for them, their Victories and Feats, we completely calmly look at how their Heritage and their Conquests are purposefully destroyed. Is this not blasphemy?
      1. Million
        Million April 12 2020 22: 29 New
        +4
        Yes, that is right. And the conquest of space and Victory Day is the victory of another country, which is no longer ....
  6. businessv
    businessv April 12 2020 14: 28 New
    20
    Happy Cosmonautics Day, friends! Health, happiness, all earthly blessings!
    1. Graduate student
      Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 15 New
      27
      USSR conquered Cosmos first!
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 17: 00 New
        0
        Well. At least one adequate comment. Thank! And you with a holiday.
        All enthralled in politics ...
        They do not see Our Spring.
      2. Alf
        Alf April 12 2020 18: 11 New
        +7
        Quote: Graduate student
        USSR conquered Cosmos first!

    2. Light
      Light April 12 2020 16: 37 New
      +4
      Join us!
  7. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 12 2020 14: 34 New
    0
    As Comrade MAESTRO used to say:
    -If the fokker or messer is to fill up, this is the first squadron, but if you get something, this is the second.
    You just have to do and show, I can, I did.
    Brains in a heap, a will in a fist, the only way.
    1. Graduate student
      Graduate student April 12 2020 15: 16 New
      10
      Quote: sanik2020
      You just have to do and show, I can, I did.
      Brains in a heap, a will in a fist, the only way.

      Are you talking about Rogozin now?
    2. Motorist
      Motorist April 12 2020 15: 52 New
      +2
      -If the fokker or messer is to fill up, this is the first squadron, but if you get something, this is the second.

      A little vice versa ... wink
  8. Amateur
    Amateur April 12 2020 14: 36 New
    -3
    Эти два болтуна соревнуются, кто красивее сочинит. На востоке такие соревнования острословов называются "Аския", а их участников- аскиябозлик.
    The most prominent enjoy popular love as masters of the word.
    1. onix757
      onix757 April 12 2020 14: 56 New
      17
      Только у одного болтуна 60% коммерческих запусков с перспективой увеличения, а у другого 10 % и < год от года
    2. Fat
      Fat April 12 2020 16: 21 New
      -4
      It is bad that the askiyabozlik, and not just a goat ... Yes, masters ... Words.
      For example, I also wrote down some bad words in a thesaurus ... So what? I'm sitting like most in self-isolation ..
      I have already stopped shaving, soon I’m completely wild ...
      Ha! And at the same time I believe that people still need my work ...
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 12 2020 16: 39 New
        +7
        Сейчас по ТВ Звезда по случаю дня космонавтики показали рогозинский ролик 2011 года о том, как построят космодром Восточный и в 2015 году полетит новый космический корабль "Россия" на 6 космонавтов, а потом на луну вчетвером.
        Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?
        1. Fat
          Fat April 12 2020 17: 28 New
          -3
          Unfortunately, no, this is not a joke; this is the advertisement of the Rogozin Krasnobaev, local bui. Well, this comrade (Rogozin) cannot take everyone to the zugunder, wholesome.
          I’ll tell you ... Stalin is not on them ...
          But there are no blacks, these people are not white ... Zebras are opportunistic, cockroaches ...
          1. Amateur
            Amateur April 12 2020 17: 37 New
            +4
            it’s the advertisement of the pre-Rogozin Krasnobaev,

            And why is there a surname Rogozin among the authors of the film? Guessed? fool
            1. Fat
              Fat April 12 2020 18: 07 New
              -4
              Did not see. I don’t like the video. Text Yes? Let me read it. Well. Type link
              1. Amateur
                Amateur April 12 2020 18: 22 New
                0
                Did not see. I don’t like the video. Text Yes? Let me read it. Well. Type link

                А тарелочки с голубой каемочкой и ключей от квартиры ? Там же написано: "На телеканале Звезда"...
                1. Fat
                  Fat April 12 2020 22: 18 New
                  -1
                  Yeah., Tact, yeah ...
                  .. "Колбасу верните! Отдай колбасу, д.....к. Вернись! Я все прощу"
                  12 chairs...
                2. Fat
                  Fat April 12 2020 22: 30 New
                  -1
                  I had a better opinion of you, amateur, well, they called themselves a cargo ... And in the first mushroom category, redneck prevents?
        2. Catholic
          Catholic April 12 2020 19: 48 New
          12
          Quote: Amateur
          Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?

          They probably just tease both Rogozin and Roskosmos
        3. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 12 2020 21: 01 New
          13
          Quote: Amateur
          Interestingly, they are kidding on Roskosmos or on the Russians?

          They are not kidding, but simply mocking the gullible slander, who for 20 years to believe in any promises.
          На днях один высокоапоставленный чиновник заявил в неформальной обстановке, что "плебс будет верить во всё, что мы скажем по телевизор"и многие скрепыши оправдывают ожидания руководителей.
    3. Catholic
      Catholic April 12 2020 19: 51 New
      12
      Quote: Amateur
      соревнования острословов называются "Аския", а их участников- аскиябозлик.

      Judging by everything, Rogozin is the winner in this contest. yes
  9. The comment was deleted.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 12 2020 14: 43 New
      +3
      It seems that only you are trained here. If you have nothing to say on the case, pass by.
    2. Amateur
      Amateur April 12 2020 15: 06 New
      +7
      Ours has nothing to do in this article.

      Are you from Roskosmos? hi
    3. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 April 12 2020 15: 10 New
      15
      Quote: Mobius
      Ours has nothing to do in this article .. !!! Here the dogs are trained .. Let bark at each other .. lol
      And we will laugh !!! And celebrate the holiday .. drinks bully

      Yours already laughed (source https://www.mid.ru/en/home from 1.04.2020 21:00):

      On signing the Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Burundi on the non-deployment of weapons by the first in space

      534-01-04-2020

      en-RU1 fr-FR1 en-GB1

      MESSAGE FOR MEDIA



      On February 18, in Bujumbura and March 27 in Moscow, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation S.V. Lavrov and the Republic of Burundi E. Nibigira signed the Joint Statement on the Non-Placing of Weapons in Space (NPOK) by the first.

      The joint statement was the next step in the globalization of the international initiative on NGOs. To date, the only measure of transparency and confidence implemented to prevent an arms race in outer space, this initiative has become a significant political factor contributing to the strengthening of international peace, ensuring equal and indivisible security for all, as well as increasing the predictability and sustainability of the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes.

      In a joint statement, the Russian Federation and the Republic of Burundi call on countries not participating in the NGOC initiative to consider the possibility of full-scale accession to it.

      PS I'm still confused. Either the site of the Russian Foreign Ministry is a place for clownery and booth, or indeed, the level of space achievements of the Russian Federation has reached such radiant heights that agreements related to space have risen to the level of the Republic of Burundi.
      1. Self
        Self April 12 2020 15: 27 New
        +2
        МИД просто показал, что и им чувство юмора не чуждо. То есть первоапрельская дата "новости", вас не удивила ? )))
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 April 12 2020 15: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Self
          МИД просто показал, что и им чувство юмора не чуждо. То есть первоапрельская дата "новости", вас не удивила ? )))

          It seems to me it is written:
          PS I'm still confused. Whether the site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is a place for clownery and booth
  10. ximkim
    ximkim April 12 2020 15: 02 New
    13
    Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?
    1. Bobrick
      Bobrick April 12 2020 15: 18 New
      +4
      In the mid-XNUMXs he was seen in fraud in the stock markets.
      A little later, in investing funds of investors in the purchase of shares of their company in order to increase the cost of 1 share and, as a result, increase the company's capitalization in the stock markets and further increase investor investments.

      Although, to sow the Soviet reserve in space and not to realize at least something in the normal way, one must manage.
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2020 17: 13 New
        0
        No need to manage. Enough to tear the country ... In Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. There is a cosmodrome (Baikonur), there are smart advanced rockets (Yuzhmash), and we only have ships ... E and drawings of the lunar module of the N1 rocket ...
        Fso! They broke the USSR and cosmonautics in J ...
        And we can, if together, even now.
    2. iouris
      iouris April 12 2020 15: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: ximkim
      Seen in the theft of funds

      all of humanity
    3. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada April 12 2020 16: 07 New
      -6
      Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
      That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi
    4. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 12 2020 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: ximkim
      Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?

      How can the Mask be reproached for theft, or the theft of funds, if in the USA, this is legalized at the legislative level. Pay taxes from the stolen, show the accounting statements, write off the losses and you're clean. Which is used by all large corporations and their lobby in the US government.
    5. Fat
      Fat April 12 2020 16: 30 New
      -3
      Quote: ximkim
      Was Ilona Musk seen stealing money or was there a theft at his facility nationwide?

      It was. Was ... On a worthy country scale. Merged because useful...
  11. Jarserge
    Jarserge April 12 2020 15: 25 New
    +2
    Работа у них такая трындеть .. один даже в прямом эфире травкой пыхнул. Что тот что другой бюджет страны "пилят" успешно и давно. Страны только разные
    1. Catholic
      Catholic April 12 2020 19: 45 New
      10
      Quote: Jarserge
      Countries are only different

      But the essence of them is the same, as you rightly noted, to knock out and cut money from the budget
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 12 2020 20: 48 New
      +1
      So far only one of them is engaged in trynding and this is not Musk.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 12 2020 20: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: Vadim237
        So far only one of them is engaged in trynding and this is not Musk.

        I put you the real + and think how this could happen ?! good
      2. Jarserge
        Jarserge April 13 2020 08: 34 New
        0
        You ignore the facts ..... If you compare what the mask promised (performed) and what you did ..... With PR, it’s true he’s not an example to Rogozin, so you’ve led him ........... .
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 13 2020 12: 44 New
          0
          По крайней мере всё что наобещал Маск - выполняется пускай со сдвигами но всё это видно: многоразовые ступени летают, сверхтяжёлая ракета летает, многоразовые грузовые корабли к МКС уже свою программу отлетали, новый пилотируемый корабль для первого полёта с экипажем стоит на ракете и на пусковой, Старлинки запускают метановые многоразовые ЖРД Раптор запущены в серийное производство многоразовая межпланетная пилотируемая система создаётся - и это всё с коллективом 7000 человек было создано и создаётся начиная с 2010года. А что там у Роскосмоса у которых 500 управленцев и 240000 сотрудников за аналогичный период - аварии на аварии полное раздолбайство в линейке производства, ракета не летайка Ангара космодром недостроек с постоянными хищениями при строительстве Восточный 130 миллиардов долгов Хруничева и ещё 300 миллиардов критических потребностей на модернизацию всей отрасли, абсолютная невнятщина всей космической деятельности с грёзами Рогозина о космическом лифте, полётам на Луну, базе на Луне, полёте на Марс, своей станции на орбите Земли - модуль Наука в этом году опять никуда не полетит, прожекты то Федерация то Орёл, переделки Союза для полётов на Луну, Союз 5, Ангпра 5В, Союз 7, Енисей, Дон 2028ой всё будет летать - правда непонятно во сне или на яву. Но я знаю точно в 2028ом с Рогозина за всё обещанное спрашивать никто ничего не будет - так как к этому времени он уже будет на пенсии а "телега" как стояла на месте так и дальше стоять будет.
          1. Jarserge
            Jarserge April 13 2020 14: 25 New
            +1
            Спасибо за развернутый ответ. Складывается впечатление, что вы фанат И. Маска. Только вот не всё так радужно. Впрочем это проблемы выше упомянутого Маска. Просто Вы забываете о рекламной составляющей американского образа жизни. Даже не знаю с чем эту вакханалию не на чём не обоснованных докладов о достижениях сравнить.... Так что увы увы стоят друг друга рогозин и маск только у удного и "труба пониже и дымок пожиже"
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 14 2020 12: 18 New
              0
              А я есть фанат Маска и его компании - как инженер инженера уважаю. Рекламная составляющая - на балабольстве имеется только у Роскосмоса на деле сплошное тормозилово во всём. "Даже не знаю с чем эту вакханалию не на чём не обоснованных докладов о достижениях сравнить...." - Вообще не понял о чём это вы.
              1. Jarserge
                Jarserge April 14 2020 16: 36 New
                0
                Илон Маск предприниматель с инженерным образованием, не более того. А понимать нечего, 90 % "достижений И. Маска такой же трёп как и у Рогозина. Только красивей выглядит, качественней. Уж позвольте иметь своё мнение.
  12. Self
    Self April 12 2020 15: 29 New
    +8
    Mr. Rogozin can be congratulated. He finally discovered the concept of competition.
    1. Fat
      Fat April 12 2020 16: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Self
      Mr. Rogozin can be congratulated. He finally discovered the concept of competition.

      Here I agree. And this is serious.
      It's time to stop being a journalist. Do not blame the national team, but stand on the skates.
      If you know how to let him do it and do it honestly. We will appreciate, then, maybe.
      And then it will remain in history as Krasnobay with a trampoline
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 12 2020 16: 21 New
    0
    Could the French even today not spoil Russia Holiday-Cosmonautics Day! Let them swear, if only it would bear the damage of our cosmonautics.
    1. Catholic
      Catholic April 12 2020 19: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: Thrifty
      Could the French even today not spoil Russia

      They can’t forgive us for the year 1812, that’s how they spoil it, but they can only write all kinds of nonsense.
  14. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin April 12 2020 16: 28 New
    +7
    Quote: Demon_is_ada
    Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
    That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi

    Sorry what? laughing
    Is Tesla all?

    Do you live in the forest and go on the Internet for coupons? Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.
    You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock April 12 2020 19: 35 New
      -4
      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Quote: Demon_is_ada
      Well, how to look ... here is Tesla fse, and people then invested money, hoped to return and increase them, and here it is ... yeah ... it seems there is a Teslamobile, but there is no return crying With Rogozin, everything is simpler and more understandable laughing although the situation is basically the same ... you say there even though the car remained in nature? Well, ours have cottages, fur stores there ... the same material so to speak on sinful earth laughing
      That Rogozin, that Musk are both effective managers, they are not capable of anything at all in the space sphere from the word completely and absolutely, and here and there other people create something and in both cases with folk money, you probably know the conservation law - money do not come from nowhere, if someone has arrived, then someone has gone lol and people just agree with this and call ento business hi

      Sorry what? laughing
      Is Tesla all?

      Do you live in the forest and go on the Internet for coupons? Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.
      You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.

      Yes Yes Yes. Only losses for 2019 were almost a billion with immediate assistance from the US government for 594 million. Excellent business back and forth. good
      1. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada April 12 2020 20: 04 New
        -6
        Oh don't talk yes But such
        Quote: Engineer Shchukin
        You would even be shy in such a dense inadequacy to speak here.

        В полном "адеквате", и самое главное в струе тренда (хозяина приказаламана возвеличивать Маска) претендуют на звание "уважаемых адекватных людей социума" lol But I liked it very much
        Quote: Engineer Shchukin
        Tesla’s not just everything is great, but everything’s record is excellent. From performance indicators to company capitalization.

        You go straight into the street and there all of them are cut in Teslamobiles, well, right Volkswagen is a people's car laughing Вот это вот успех!!! Кстати, завод по производству литиевых батареек на родине "партнеров" наших работает? Вы не в курсе? Или накрылся медным тазиком вместе с литием в венесуэле? lol
  15. qobnvmog
    qobnvmog April 12 2020 17: 56 New
    +6
    This is the whole cynicism and hypocrisy of our opponents. Instead of a fair fight in the space launch market, they lobby sanctions against us and use dumping with impunity. And when they are asked about the real price of the launch service, they blush and instead of answering try to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

    - Dude really accuses a private company of implementing its own business strategy? He has a fever, was he checked for the Crown?

    Interestingly, this is when he asked Ilon about the cost, and Ilon averted his eyes or directed something somewhere?
  16. T.Henks
    T.Henks April 12 2020 18: 33 New
    0
    First of all, everyone concerned, with a holiday. Many do not know the day of astronautics.
    Since we are talking about the French here., The previous taxing industry was for kind labor even some kind order. They did not respect the present.
    1. Pardus
      Pardus April 13 2020 01: 01 New
      12
      Quote: T.Henks
      They did not respect the present.

      He still has everything ahead ...
  17. 23424636
    23424636 April 12 2020 19: 57 New
    -5
    [quote = DMB 75] And who is Ragozin? According to the Accounting Chamber, almost half of the financial irregularities in the country are related to this state corporation. Of the total amount of 1 trillion 865 billion of identified violations, 760 billion rubles. accounts for the space industry, according to the report of the auditors. [/ I respect Rogozin. Russian people. not to be afraid of difficulties. And all the Jewish husks are very tense from his statements. Dima the club-footed was very shaking that Rogozin would turn him down. And did everything to put him down. Thanks to the GDP, he did not allow this.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 12 2020 20: 54 New
      +2
      By the way, Medvedev was sent to help Rogozin to join the Roskosmos Council - Well, now they will show everyone how to steer with space means - two Dimona is power.
      1. T.Henks
        T.Henks April 13 2020 09: 00 New
        0
        Two of the casket. Cool cartoon. Here they’ll bake pies!
  18. Khoja Nasredin
    Khoja Nasredin April 12 2020 20: 28 New
    -1
    Space thief and yap Rogozin has no right to stand next to the Mask
    1. Pardus
      Pardus April 13 2020 01: 00 New
      +8
      The mask is the same as Rogozin
  19. slipped
    slipped April 12 2020 21: 30 New
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    А тем временем, пока в интернетах диванные воины и сектанты Маска продолжают изгалятся в оскорблениях руководства Роскосмоса, очередной грузовой корабль "Прогресс МС-14" допущен и подготовлен к заправке.



    In accordance with the schedule, on April 13-14, specialists of RSC Energia and specialized enterprises of Roscosmos will carry out planned operations for refueling TGC Progress MS-14 with fuel components and compressed gases.

    The launch of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle with the Progress MS-14 TGC is scheduled for April 25, 2020 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome under the program of the 75th mission of the International Space Station.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 12 2020 22: 34 New
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      And with SpaceX Falcon 9, with the sixth installment, Starlink should fly on April 16th.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 12 2020 22: 58 New
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        А 17 апреля посадка ТПК "Союз МС-15" с экипажем 61-й экспедиции. laughing
  20. for
    for April 12 2020 22: 46 New
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    Yes, as modern people say a lot of hype on the Day of Soviet Cosmonautics can not be caught, on Rogozin and Mask it is possible.
    1. Pardus
      Pardus April 13 2020 00: 51 New
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      What a hype ...
  21. NordUral
    NordUral April 12 2020 22: 47 New
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    today "there is a confrontation between SpaceX and Russia."
    Юра сказал: "Поехали", а с рогозиными и К мы приехали!
  22. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 12 2020 23: 53 New
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    But Rogozin never answered who drilled the holes.

    once silent - most likely our marked ...
    Championship on launches - under Yeltsin kept, and now profuka ...
    1. Pardus
      Pardus April 13 2020 00: 50 New
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      Quote: Max1995
      But Rogozin never answered who drilled the holes.

      I didn’t answer, because I don’t know.
      Quote: Max1995
      time is silent - rather, our noted

      Would you like this very much?
      P.S. Who is yours?
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 April 13 2020 00: 53 New
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        If it’s not in the subject, then don’t meddle .... with provocations
        The oligarch Rogozin said he knows, but will not answer, despite a personal promise.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2020 12: 52 New
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      These were ours, the workers showed their activity and attitude to work in the workshop - the American astronauts didn’t have such boobs to drill holes in the body in orbit.
  23. Karaul15
    Karaul15 April 13 2020 12: 54 New
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    Какая война заявлений? Как можно сравнивать инженера, основателя инновационной космической компании и какого-то очередного "эффективного управленца". Прогресс движется и на советских технологиях уже не получается конкурировать. У Рогозина первоочередная задача пилить бюджет, а если он искренне думает, что при этом возможно быть первыми в космосе - то так не бывает.
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