Cosmonautics Day. Yuri Alekseevich, where and when did we turn in the wrong direction? ..

April 12, 1961. This day can be considered one of the brightest pages of Russian stories. Man first flew into space. And this man became a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - Yuri Gagarin.

That event marked the transition of all mankind to a new era - the era of space exploration. Cosmic romance was present literally everywhere: in newspapers, in movies, in poetry and the visual arts. And the desire to choose the profession of an astronaut has become the defining symbol of an entire generation.

Yuri Gagarin himself after his flight became not just a hero, but the number one person in the whole world. Before him opened any borders and any doors. He became a symbol of fearlessness, readiness for self-sacrifice and at the same time a symbol of success and human dignity against the background of incredible good nature, disarming even those who were considered the main adversary.

Yuri Alekseevich, you were a Soviet officer and materialist. But if suddenly at the same time you have the opportunity to observe everything that is happening in the space industry today (and on the planet as a whole), then a huge request to you - tell the responsible people where and when we all, and the space program in particular, turned off that direction? ..

After all, the 1960s after your flight, Yuri Alekseevich, mankind was sure that with such a rapid development of technology, in 50-60 years, space would be perceived as something close and mundane, if not studied along and across, then very thoroughly - with the presence of space ships capable of truly distant flights. Then, probably, no one could have thought in their heads that half a century would pass and the world would suddenly begin to discuss how on board the spacecraft in orbit there was a hole with traces of drilling. Then no one could even think how a state that made several astronaut landings on the moon could suddenly find itself in a situation in which it would not have its own engines, even for ordinary manned flights. And then hardly anyone imagined that in 50-60 years the world would become such that a forced long-term isolation of astronauts in orbit reveals a universal “analogue” on Earth ...

I sincerely want to hope that humanity, turning back, recalling, among other things, the outstanding April event of 1961, bringing together millions, will really think about its future.

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[Spartanez300]

All with Cosmonautics Day, in which we wiped our nose with arrogant mattresses !!!

[Bykov.]

Quote: Spartanez300

All with Cosmonautics Day, in which we wiped our nose with arrogant mattresses !!!

Let's go!

[Insurgent]

Cosmonautics Day. Yuri Alekseevich, where and when did we turn in the wrong direction? ..

I would have learned, Yuri Alekseevich about the events of 1991, about the collapse of the USSR, he would have told us a lot ...

[viktor_ui]

and I wouldn’t just say ... but I would very much rift out their faces with all my heart.

[Ilya-spb]

Happy holiday to everyone - Happy Cosmonautics Day!

I will try to answer where we turned "wrong".

1) Project management. Gave the so-called. effective managers, not specialists.

2) Lack of dreams. A dream cannot be measured in money. And here everything reduces to commercialization. This of course, you need to make money. But where money will not be a dream of stars, of Cosmos.

3) Our space industry began to boil down to the role of a cabman. With which other cab drivers compete, like Ilona Mask.

But I am an optimist! I have a dream that it is our country that will create the first nuclear-powered planetary plane. And we will return the primacy in the study of the planets of the Solar System.

What next? And then through the thorns to the stars!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ilya-spb

further through thorns to the stars!

It is clear that Russia, as a multinational community, in its history has repeatedly demonstrated miracles of unity in striving for a goal ...

But after all, what is the problem - "thorns", then, now they have a nature, basically, not scientific, not technological and not even material, but socio-political...

For a full return to space, and Russia must become somewhat different ...

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

That's right, Insurgent! Flights to the near-Earth space （,, space ,, - is one of the names of Satan, its use, to put it mildly, is strange in Russia and it is imposed by ,, red ,, Satanists ； circus - ,, space ,,, cigarettes - ,, space ,, , batteries - ,, space ,,, the nickname of the bandit from the cult film - ,, space ,, ...） is the merit of the SOCIALIST SOCIAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEM （OPS）. This is a conscious and logical choice of our ORTHODOX ancestors who lived at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries - the creation of a state where they take care of ALL classes, where there are no DARMA-eaters and daring ,, pokatushek, on the neck of a person, in honor of WORKERS.
Very simple! A decent, intelligent family brings up （usually） decent, intelligent children.
The Russians created a decent state, they gained outstanding achievements in economics, military affairs, in art, ... in the development of near-Earth space.
What is interesting ... People are sincerely trying to find, the right, capitalism. But there is an example （another one of many）, which demonstrates the futility of these attempts. Look carefully - how about and similar! ... ,, Our ,, thimbles from ,, damned nineties ,, and American, thimbles ,, sixties filmed the believable ,, movie ,, about landing on the moon.
To give up political power to the bourgeoisie, to ordinary traders, means to doom the country to degradation. What we see clearly. Both in the world as a whole and in their own country.
The current state, Capitalist Russia, （RK）, which has been steering, for 30 years, in Russia, does not know, does not know how, does not want to establish production of aircraft for the initial training of pilots, cannot organize mass production of aircraft of the An- 2, L-410 ... What kind of near-Earth space is there ?! What flights ,, to the moon and Mars ,,?!

[NordUral]

Support!

[Navat]

An optimist, and if an accident occurs in a rocket with a nuclear engine (and this periodically happens with any rocket), radioactive contamination will be at the Chernobyl level. So be careful with fantasies ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Navat

An optimist, and if an accident occurs in a rocket with a nuclear engine (and this periodically happens with any rocket), radioactive contamination will be at the Chernobyl level.

And where did you get the idea that it will start from Earth, and not from the moon, for example.?
Or from orbit?

[Navat]

And how will the reactor get to the moon? Or do you think that radioactive fuel will be produced on the moon?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Navat

And how will the reactor get to the moon? Or do you think that radioactive fuel will be produced on the moon?

Delivered from Earth. Well, or find on the moon.
You and I are not talking about tomorrow.
In 1960, about space flight, man was considered fiction.
Now this is an ordinary matter.
The overwhelming majority of Russian citizens have not heard of the recent launch.
And the first astronauts knew not only by sight, but also knew their biography

[dvina71]

Quote: Navat

if an accident occurs with a nuclear rocket

Nothing will happen. That engine, which the Americans experienced in the 60s and so left behind a train of nuclides .., because it was thrown into storage tanks. But this does not surprise me .. their submarines dump a little water into the ocean from the primary circuit .. leaving trace of tritium ..
The one that is now being tested in Russia is based on a different principle and there is no reactor as such.
If we talk about a rocket engine for space, then there you can drop matter directly from the core .., nothing will change there ..

[Jager]

Satellites with RTGs are constantly launching and nothing, Chernobyl is not visible in the sky. There were only two accidents.

[Vadim237]

It will not be like in Chernobyl - since there were 1200 tons of nuclear fuel and 4 to 5 tons are needed for it.

[Reptiloid]

Everyone ------ HAPPY COSMONAUTICS! Dear comrades! A new era of development has begun! Where have we gone wrong?

Quote: Ilya-spb

...... 2) Lack of dreams. A dream cannot be measured in money. And here everything reduces to commercialization. This of course, you need to make money. But where money will not be a dream of stars, of Cosmos ........ And then? And then through the thorns to the stars!

I do not agree, dear fellow countryman! The lack of a common big goal for the whole people, a specific goal! That's what did not happen. The USSR was a huge country, with a huge territory, a large population consisting of many peoples.
Only concrete big goals as it was when the achievements took place after the Great October Revolution. And the most important ---- Victory over fascism!

[AB0877]

All 3 answers are wrong. To get an answer, you should read 4 volumes of "Rockets and People". Author B.E. Chertok. Everything is most fully described there. There are many other memoirs involved in comic projects.
You are not looking for 4 volumes in the network, it is only in paper. You can find only the first edition in 3 volumes, but more modest.
Good luck and happy holiday!

[AB0877]

I was wrong not "comic", but cosmic.

[AU Ivanov.]

There is a network of 4 volumes of Chertok. On Flibust. Download and read.

[AB0877]

I have been on a shelf (in paper) since 2007.

[Van 16]

Paper, of course, is better, who would argue. But, if anything, they already wrote above, on Flibust and Chertok, and Kamanin are, Grechko, by the way, has a good book, he read it with pleasure.

[AU Ivanov.]

I refused paper books about 15 years ago. Inconveniently.

[16329]

Chertok’s book, yes, explains a lot, but the most important thing that changed the development of the Soviet space program is the early death of Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, as a result of the “planned operation“
How strange it all was, a lot of questions
Often the loss of one person, unfortunately, changes too much, what to do is life

[Ajevgenij]

I was very lucky, I have this 4 volume in my house, I read it several times. And every time I felt a shock - what did they do! And what are we doing ....- (

[Roman123567]

Well, why ... it’s very easy to search for a four-volume edition on the network .. I have it open for many years in a tab ..

http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/index.html

[AB0877]

And yet this is not the latest edition, I did not see the illustrations.

[l7yzo]

Yes, it's time to change values ​​in society - not coolness and high cost, not belonging to the bag and the feeder, but the eternal ideals, so to speak - man is friend and comrade to man, not a wolf as now. But then the question is - what to do with those who do not want such a life ?? Indeed, many people don’t like Comrade Stalin’s measures - but how then can people be aggressive because of the specifics of their upbringing / character to prevent them from taking power in their hands ?? After all, they like it, but just dreamers and conquerors, scientists and inventors - power is unnecessary.

[sgapich]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Happy holiday to everyone - Happy Cosmonautics Day!

I will try to answer where we turned "wrong".

1) Project management. Gave the so-called. effective managers, not specialists ...

In my opinion: not always an effective manager is bad. In fact, after all, both Mikhail Ilyich Koshkin and Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria were essentially just effective managers.

Happy Cosmonautics Day everyone!

[Plate]

1) Project management. Gave the so-called. effective managers, not specialists.

2) Lack of dreams. A dream cannot be measured in money. And here everything reduces to commercialization. This of course, you need to make money. But where money will not be a dream of stars, of Cosmos.

3) Our space industry began to boil down to the role of a cabman. With which other cab drivers compete, like Ilona Mask.

For some reason, you (like many others) only cite our problems. They certainly exist, but to understand the reason for the stagnation in space exploration, you need to look more broadly. The author of the article very correctly mentioned the United States, which during the Cold War era were also at the forefront of space exploration (somewhere our edge was sharper, somewhere theirs). But at that time neither we, nor they achieved our plans. So maybe the question is broader than "effective managers" (although when a manager is really effective, he achieves great success) at Roscosmos enterprises, the absence of a dream in our country and beyond, what is limited to us?
Here is the 80s. This is not the 50s and 60s, and if you believe the historical information I have (it may be incorrect - in that case, please correct it), there was no longer any dream of conquering space on either side of the curtain. I don’t know how in the States, but in the USSR (again, I judge only from theoretical information) there were many analogues of "effective managers" (for example, those comrades who were opened during the cotton business). Yes, and in the States this could not but be. But this did not stop the Americans from launching their Space Shuttle, and us Energy with Buran.
I propose to consider this option. Space will be really explored when the economic prerequisites are created for this. Well, for example, when the iron ore mined on an asteroid becomes equal in price, or even cheaper, than mined on Earth. Or when we build a working thermonuclear reactor, and we need the well-known thermonuclear fuel from the Moon. And along with it, some other buns will be delivered from there at the same time. In this interpretation, most of the space achievements made in the 20th century are premature and are due to the desire of the two superpowers to play in front of each other with mu ... brains. Proof of what ... Well, the Space Shuttle survived half and half with grief until 2011, and did not find a job during this time, where its reusability would be an advantage, and not a factor in the high cost of launch. But now is the era of high-speed Internet, give everyone "500 gigabytes per second and around the world." For money, of course. And the idea arose of putting hundreds of satellites into low orbit. And here the prospect of using reusable devices already looms, having worked out the operation of which on such a simple task, we will be able to move further up.
Although there is an option that is approximately equally probable, in my opinion. The price of space resources will become less than the price of earthly resources when the remaining earthly resources for space flights will no longer be enough. Then the cosmic achievements of the 20th century should be recognized as "arrived in time." But how can the cessation of space progress after the collapse of the USSR be explained? Let's try this. Our system collapsed and was not capable, in principle, of large projects that would affect the fate of all mankind. And the United States, along with its allies, removed resources from the remnants of this system. "Why should we fly into space for resources when, right on Earth, we have the richest trophies in front of us?" In this interpretation, the assistance of US government agencies (NASA) to Elon Musk can be explained by the fact that trophies from the collapse of the socialist system have been collected, there is nothing else to take (or it has begun to actively resist), so the need to go into space again loomed. And if this is so, then soon the pace of development will pick up and again we will return to the era of active space exploration. And what in this version is up to us. The Americans are making reusable rockets, and we, judging by the official statements, are making the nuclear engine you mentioned (although, strictly speaking, it is not nuclear, but electric, getting electricity from a nuclear reactor, as I know). If we really do, then the long time frame can be explained by the complexity of the project against the background of greatly reduced resources at our disposal.
As you can see, there are ways to explain stagnation in space without the use of Russian problems alone. To me, attempts to do so seem more correct. I believe that the interpretation that takes into account more facts is more true (although there may be a reverse case - if we take facts that are not relevant to this topic). And yes, I am also an optimist :) And both of my options for seeing events came out quite optimistic. I am sure that one day we will pass each other in the lunar amusement park, not learning about it and forgetting about this article and the comments below it.

[Yura]

Quote: Plate

Of course they are, but in order to understand the cause of stagnation in space exploration, you need to look a little wider.

Quite an objective view of the problem, the meaning is clear, and I agree "the fruit should ripen."

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

I think - the beginning was laid in the cold summer of the 53rd ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Bulls.

Let's go!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Let's go ...... tink, weave, repeat, and now we’ve gone

[Alena Frolovna]

"The whole world perceived Gagarin’s flight precisely as a Russian victory.
French newspapers wrote: "We take off our hat to the Russians."

What a marvelous name and patronymic Gagarin has. Name of Yuri, i.e. George, means in Greek a farmer, i.e. a peasant, and middle name - Alex - means a protector. It turns out that Gagarin is the defender of the people, the defender of his native land. Of course, an association arises with George the Victorious, and, naturally, with the Great Victory of 1945.

Dostoevsky repeatedly repeated that a person lives through the impressions of childhood. And I remember my brightest childhood impressions. It was in 1961, April 12, in West Berlin, where my father worked. I was then 7 years old. The radiant father runs into my nursery and exclaims: “Son! We are first! We are in space! Gagarin! ”

I’d also like to add, recalling the Gagarin’s smile, that Gagarin is the joy of the people.

Russian collegiality invariably defeated Basurm individualism. All these centuries-old knight dogs have always mistaken us for an undeveloped one who needs a developed shepherd. The next shepherd came to Russian soil and each time neatly fit himself, according to Pushkin's word, among the "coffins that were not alien to him."

The Basurmans, large-breasted and large-breasted uncles, realizing that the Russians could not be defeated in an open war, decided to instill in us the bacillus of their individualism. They thought like this:

"We will infect these Russians with our nether selfishness, and they will destroy themselves, and we will come to own them."

But the Basurmans did not guess what is Russians have an invincible weapon - the smile of Yuri Gagarin!

This smile, in which love, magnanimity and strength is imprinted, was seen by Russian people both on the face of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov and on the face of the Right Prince Alexander Nevsky. And they always won with that smile. And then they rescued, fed and treated the defeated enemy. No wonder the brilliant Fedor Tyutchev wrote:

"Unity," announced the oracle of our day, "
It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "
But we will try to solder him with love, -
And there we will see that stronger ...

As if through the ages Tyutchev saw a radiant Gagarin's smile, holding human unity together with love. And if they would ask me now: “What is Russian all-talkeriness, about which Dostoevsky wrote so much?”, I would not say anything, but simply showed a photograph of Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin descending along the plane with a smile and with outstretched crosswise arms!

And to the Russian liberals, for whom toilet paper is more expensive than Gagarin, I will say this: if a person does not recognize Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin, then he is not a Russian person, and it would be better for him to wind up, like a pozdovorov, to the Basurmans!

Gagarin's smile - the smile of the Russian people! Yuri Alekseevich - the joy of the people! He is the song of the Russian soul! Eternal memory to him! "
Priest Alexander Shumsky

[Alien From]

I will join all the congratulations !!! Yuri Alekseevich forever inscribed his name in history and glorified our country!

[Thrifty]

Though in our memory, but Gagarin will remain what he was - the Soviet man who was the first in the world to fly into space! Happy Holidays, Russia, Happy Cosmonautics Day, planet Earth !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Spartanez300

Happy Cosmonautics Day

[Antidote]

Now all that remains is to live by memories of past victories, of the Pechenegs.

[DPN]

The pronoun WE fits with a stretch. The Soviet people worn away in glorious Soviet times. Today somehow it does not work. We don’t boast more.

[freddyk]

Quote: DPN

The pronoun WE fits with a stretch. The Soviet people worn away in glorious Soviet times. Today somehow it does not work. We don’t boast more.

The pronoun We generally does not fit either. WE are related to the collapse of this country, and not to its glory. But there were people, watts and military personnel who fought for the Soviet Union. But they are criminals for modern Russia.

[Yehudi Menuhin]

"The greatness of a nation is determined not by the achievements of ancestors, but by what we are striving for now" Elizabeth II

[for]

Quote: Spartanez300

in which we wiped our nose with arrogant mattresses !!!

And this is necessary, you just can’t congratulate.

[Stas-90]

we wiped our nose with arrogant mattresses !!!

The first to congratulate everyone, but why this obscene addition of losers.
We must speak for ourselves. We are just the first. And not someone there wiped his nose.

[lucul]

All with Cosmonautics Day, in which we wiped our nose with arrogant mattresses

In the West, they think differently - the flight of the first man into space did not make the same impression on them as the launch of the first satellite. That was truly great shock , for all of their western worldview. They even got a new concept - the satellite effect. This is the only case in their entire history when they first doubted the superiority of their system, their philosophy, their mentality.
Still, the "natives" (that is, we), after the devastating and devastating World War II, were able to recover earlier, and most importantly - technologically surpass them by a generation in technology. The USSR first launched a satellite in 1957, and they didn't even have such projects on paper, let alone in hardware. Roughly speaking - for the first time they felt like natives ...

[Host Tavern]

All involved with the holiday !!!

[DMB 75]

Happy Holidays, comrades!

Gagarin-hurray!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: DMB 75

Gagarin-hurray!

And to all these people

[Alena Frolovna]

Even the dove in the hands of Gagarin felt the importance of the moment and assumed a fitting solemn appearance.

[svp67]

Cosmonautics Day. Yuri Alekseevich, where and when did we turn in the wrong direction? ..

Today is a holiday of people who opened the way to space for mankind - WITH A HOLIDAY !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: svp67

Today is a holiday of people who opened the way to space for mankind - WITH A HOLIDAY !!!

[Fan-fan]

And I join, all with a holiday! But I will not congratulate one of our "cosmonauts". She sold us all together with Gagarin.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Here are just one of our "cosmonaut" I will not congratulate. .... who exactly, "Seagull" or "Dnepr-3" ???

[sds87]

Tereshkova clearly means Fan-Fan, who voiced the proposal to nullify the presidential term. And I agree on this. Stagnation, stability and indispensability - this is a slow death.
And everyone who is connected with the space industry, or simply not indifferent to space - with Cosmonautics Day!

[16329]

The next “perestroika” and “reforms” are much more fun and dynamic. That is how the country will develop

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Tereshkov, obviously means Fan-Fan, who voiced the proposal to nullify the presidential term ..... this is not a reason not to congratulate the person who is directly involved in space

[U-58]

Not a gull, wet chicken

[Van 16]

Happy holiday to all! It is a very nice day and a very nice holiday! Hooray!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

This is a very good day and a very good holiday! ... Happy Holidays, but there is still a problem ...... as if the first flight should be celebrated with alcohol, and since Cosmonautics Day today coincided with Palm Sunday "the girl does not weave a braid, bird nests are not twisted "then one should fast with wine, and wine with alcohol ... that's a problem, I'm still inclined to alcohol, friends with the Holiday ... GO

[Van 16]

I don't have such a choice, I should go on a shift in the evening. So for me the answer is simple - "there will be debates with vodka, answer - no guys, democrats, only tea"))

[Asad]

Let’s forget about the problems even on this great day! Happy Holiday!

[serg.shishkov2015]

We will remember him again, our affectionate friend! Recall the star pier and training helm! How Yura accompanied us in flight! Yura accompanied the flight! My personal opinion, I do not impose it on anyone, but if I had to choose the face of Russia, only he! Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin! The man of planet Earth! Happy Holiday !!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

but if I had to choose the face of Russia, only he! Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin! The man of planet Earth!

This is his charming smile forever in his memory

[DMB 75]

The smile is legendary !!!

[16329]

It’s too much praise to Yuri Alekseevich, and somehow everyone forgot Sergei Pavlovich, it’s not good, but probably many of those present would consider it
"Effective manager", therefore, they forgot
In my youth, I celebrated Cosmonautics Day a couple of times with group colleagues in our laboratory room, as a young specialist had to draw up special documents to go to the training ground. Together with experienced colleagues
- in “Tyuru”, as we used to call the famous “Baikonur”.
He worked on various programs, wrote regulations and instructions, conducted experiments, etc.
But 1991 and 1992 came, and instead of space programs, “Gangster Petersburg” suddenly came to the fore, and then there were a lot of things ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 16329

- in “Tyuru”, as we used to call the famous “Baikonur”.

"Tyuratam smile goodbye
We leave home, goodbye "
Dembel song)

[16329]

Yes, unfortunately I didn’t have time to get there, the registration process was delayed, and then I had to drastically change the scope of activities

[Lipchanin]

Yes, I myself saw him 2 times.
When brought and when taken away
But as they told there, local Kazakhs could sell anything. From footcloths to truck
There was one such case

[16329]

At our institute, my senior colleagues from the group worked there regularly, I escorted them there, carried devices and all kinds of reagents, just in the summer of 1991, three people from our group worked there, and there were a lot of people from the department
I then just finished my internship and recently became a candidate of science.
And then August 1991, etc., and since 1992, a new reality had to be retrained

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Half-starved, a country 20 years later, flew into space. Without jamon, without sanctions and other nonsense. The feat of the Soviet people is great.

[210ox]

And then they turned it wrong .. We turned it away. The competition between the two superpowers disappeared. And people fell into a technological dead end .. Something like that. But anyway, everyone is happy!

[Fan-fan]

And then turned the wrong way ..

And I can tell when we turned either way - when Gorbachev became the main one. Not smart on the throne is always bad, but after him on the throne were people even worse, who sharply turned the country in a completely different direction and set their personal well-being and enrichment as their goal. And the last ruler also turned out to be cowardly, afraid of popular anger and is trying to beat out a life-long kingdom for himself and his family laws for himself and his relatives, which, by the way, also declared jurisdiction for the Yeltsin family as his first decree.

[freddyk]

Quote: 210ox

And then they turned it wrong .. We turned it away. The competition between the two superpowers disappeared. And people fell into a technological dead end .. Something like that. But anyway, everyone is happy!

That's right, the competition between the two systems has disappeared. And technology began to develop exclusively in the direction of consumption.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Half-starved, a country 20 years later, flew into space.

If after the end of the war (Victory), then after 16 years. It is important.

[AUL]

After the war, a country with a broken industry, with a huge number of dead and crippled citizens in 16 years was the first to go into space, in 20 years it was the first to send a man into space, winning the space race against prosperous America. And now - 20 years of "crossing" ... Apparently, the internal enemy was stronger than the Nazis!
Forgive us, Yura! Indeed, somewhere we turned the wrong way.

[AB0877]

1957-1945 = 12, but not 16! If we approach the topic with a purely formal TZ, then the Germans were the first to launch the aircraft into space. Yes, it is the notorious FAU-2 that reached a flight altitude of 146 km (from memory).

[AUL]

Yes, you're right, 12 and 16, respectively! The misprint turned out. Moreover, sad ...

[DMB 75]

Happy Holidays!

[DPN]

Thank you for the reminder of the two GREAT VICTORIES of the Soviet country of the USSR, but now they remember more galoshes and the virus was appointed hero.

[orionvitt]

Quote: AB0877

If we approach the topic with a purely formal TZ, then the Germans were the first to launch the spacecraft into space

If we continue to approach from the standpoint of "formal" logic, then let's attribute the main achievements in cosmonautics to Tsiolkovsky, because it was he who mathematically substantiated the possibility of human exploration of outer space using rockets. Or even cooler, to Kibalchich, he was the first to throw the idea. Let's go so far, right up to Leonardo da Vinci and the ancient Egyptians and Aztecs. The main achievement (and the most difficult), in space exploration, has always been considered and is considered, human flight, not "space scrap".

[16329]

And in the eighties, this same country, just not hungry anymore, passionately scolded the space program and everything that was connected with it, and even people who worked for space condemned space programs and considered them a waste of money (cutting money, as we would say now) he himself witnessed this, what happened of this for 25 years

[bubalik]

the choice of the profession of an astronaut has become the defining symbol of an entire generation

[Avior]

Everyone wanted to touch at least somehow a new stage in the life of mankind.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: bubalik

the choice of the profession of an astronaut has become the defining symbol of an entire generation

And how many cartoons, feature films about the Cosmos began to appear just then! Great time!

[DPN]

Golden were the times

[melihov]

All with a holiday, served at Baikonur 1985-87. Now my troops would be called the Aerospace Forces, but at that time just a construction battalion. Although we serviced launches directly. After all, our space is peaceful. Remember the Buran project. As Moscow lecturers came to Baikonur and told us there that we were not developing or building Buran. And this is us who were already in full swing involved in the infrastructure of the project and completed the construction of the runway for landing the shuttle.
Yes, then there was the power of the unity of all of Us, and now only appearances remain. And still I believe and on our street (space) there will be a holiday!

[serg.shishkov2015]

Alexander! To you as directly involved, separate congratulations! Astronauts and dreamers promise that apple trees will bloom on Mars!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

served in Baikonur 1985-87

[Lipchanin]

Quote: melihov

All with a holiday, he served at Baikonur 1985-87.

He served at Baikonur 1976-1978. Site No. 2 "Gagarinsky start"
And such a picture will forever remain in my memory

[Crimean partisan 1974]

He served at Baikonur 1976-1978. Site No. 2 "Gagarinsky Start" .... my father took part in the construction of this very site No. 2. welding, and then during the construction of high-rise buildings on Kalininsky Prospekt in Moscow, the same tragedy happened. ..daddy was at Yura's funeral ... so our family is directly related to space, with the Holiday and also with Palm Sunday

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

my father took part in the construction of this very site number 2. welding work,

About the construction and builders of the Cosmodrome and the city of Leninsk then, and today, for sure, legends went.
Badge "Builder of Baikonur" Very much appreciated
Well, General G. M. Shubnikov was generally talked about the Head of Construction with great respect.

Happy Holidays and Palm Sunday

You too with the holidays!
And this I dedicate to both your father and all the builders of Baikonur

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the legendary Baconcur ..... yes it’s necessary to list .. it’ll take an article ... one of which is the construction of the MIR orbital complex, how many launches are successful .... yes. there used to be time, not like the current tribe ...... I have the idea that we turned into space bombs

[Private-K]

That is, you admire the obvious and obvious idiocy of the System, which lied to your eyes?
Do you admire the fact that the party "lecturers-propacondom" stood over you, looking at you so contemptuously from above that they did not even bother to find out what you, the gray herd, were doing there?

[Private-K]

Everything is relative.

Aren't you ashamed to quote a biblical phrase?
Well, since it came to comparison, then the deceit and meanness of Soviet propaganda had no alternative. A resident of the USSR was deprived of any opportunity to receive information other than pro-condom.
And now, you, me, and everyone who lives today - but how much you want! We have long had access to almost any diverse information.
So you are lying. As befitting a Sovietophile.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Private-K

And now, you, me, and everyone who lives today - but how much you want! We have long had access to almost any diverse information.

Regarding the phrase: firstly, I didn’t know what was biblical, thanks, now I will know, secondly, it’s never shameful, because more capacious and accurate phrases for evaluating something or not. Again, if we compare Soviet propaganda with modern, then the share of truth under the USSR was many times greater than now. Yes, there is more access now, but the stream of outright lies that is pouring makes it almost impossible to find the truth. And it is very interesting what Soviet propaganda lied about? Life has shown that it’s not very deceiving.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Private-K

A resident of the USSR was deprived of any opportunity to receive information other than pro-condom information.

You simply did not live in the USSR, or you are lying like a gray gelding.

[mister-red]

Quote: Private-K

A resident of the USSR was deprived of any opportunity to receive information other than pro-condom information.

You haver simply do not know how many different newspapers and magazines were in the USSR. Even in newspapers such as Izvestia and Pravda, the share of truthful information was very high. Believe me, the media in Europe and the United States now lie about Russia much more than they lied about Europe and the United States under the USSR. I would even clarify - they lied very little. They hid inconvenient information, stuck out flaws, but rarely allowed themselves to invent themselves.
I cannot recall anything that I later learned was a lie. Yes, they embellished victories in the war and achievements in the economy, but all countries do this.
And interestingly, what I learned about the outside world over the past 20 years, in principle, did not become a revelation to me. But what surprised me, for example, was that they hid us from good intentions so that the friendship of peoples would not suffer. I will give examples of what I did not know or knew little:
- I didn’t know that Khatyn was destroyed not by Germans, but by Ukrainians led by Germans
- I didn’t know that Czechoslovakia worked diligently for the whole war for Germany and almost 1/5 or even 1/4 of their German armaments were manufactured by them
- I didn’t know that there was the Polish army of Anders, which they dressed, shod and armed in the hardest 41st, but they did not want to fight and washed off to Iran
and much more.
Yes, there is a lot of information right now. But the level of knowledge in people is greatly reduced. Everyone is ready to believe in all kinds of nonsense, if only this exposes the authorities, denigrates the USSR, etc. The more primitive the information, the more trust in it.

[Walking]

Quote: Private-K

That is, you admire the obvious and obvious idiocy of the System, which lied to your eyes?
Do you admire the fact that the party "lecturers-propacondom" stood over you, looking at you so contemptuously from above that they did not even bother to find out what you, the gray herd, were doing there?

Where did it come from?

[DEDPIHTO]

This tells about his party system ..

[DPN]

the word was rubbed here as it is not appropriate - Spoon of tar, reminds about galoshes.

[Vadim237]

Putin was referring to the civil sector - the USSR produced almost everything there - the goods are not modern and uncompetitive.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

Putin was referring to the civil sector - the USSR produced almost everything there - the goods are not modern and uncompetitive.

Vadik, did he read all volumes of the export-import structure, or didn’t master a single one?

[AU Ivanov.]

From what we exported for currency, and not to our vassals, God forbid, a couple of pages from these volumes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

From what we exported for currency, and not to our vassals, God forbid, a couple of pages from these volumes.

Have you read? There are not a couple of pages.

[Odysseus]

Hundreds and thousands of years will pass, almost all will be forgotten, but the fact that our Soviet man was the first in space will remain forever.
This is the beginning of the great era of space exploration. Not for one country, for all of humanity.
Happy holiday!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Odyssey

almost everything will be forgotten, but the fact that our Soviet man was the first in space will remain forever.

Somewhere already forgotten, there is a story. Ask in the west, who was the first man in space? In 80% of cases, you hear that John Glenn, and the name of Yuri Gagarin, can only be remembered by the older generation .. The main thing is that in pursuit of the West, they would not forget their great. On this optimistic note, All with Cosmonautics Day!

[Odysseus]

Quote: orionvitt

Somewhere already forgotten, there is a story. Ask in the west, who was the first man in space? In 80% of cases, hear that John Glenn, and the name of Yuri Gagarin, can only be remembered by older people.

I asked. The truth is not in America .. Those whom I asked said - Gagarin. But these are really adults. I completely agree with the fact that history can be rewritten and we need to protect it.
And since this is the greatest achievement of such a hated USSR, these attempts will be especially active.

[DPN]

today we’ll see how many times the word Sovetsky pronounces .VVP.
You certainly ++++

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Ask in the West, who was the first man in space? In 80% of the cases, you will hear that John Glenn, ... says Shepard about their history, even though it was a suborbital flight, Glen made an orbital flight when we had "the first manned spacewalk"

[orionvitt]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

waxed by their history Shepard

In general, it is true, but the essence of the question, it does not change. According to their "history", the Americans were the first to fly into space. Gagarin's flight, no one officially denies it, they simply keep silent about it. So the ordinary man in the street has only those bookmarks in his head that were inspired to him. I used to wonder how this is possible? But after Ukraine and what they have done with history in just a few years, I am no longer surprised.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

According to their "history", the Americans were the first to fly into space. ... well, for the most part it is OUR holiday. we need to remember this and not forget. and the west is so .. from the side -pripoku. Pushchay vparivayut themselves anything, the main thing is that the seats in the "seven" were booked in advance. more their mask on the move is not soon and Xiaoping are not very reliable

[Undecim]

According to their "history", the Americans were the first to fly into space. Gagarin's flight, no one officially denies it, they simply keep silent about it.
Could you give an example, where, when, and with whom did you talk?
The first human in space was Yuri Gagarin, who flew the Vostok 1 spacecraft, launched by the Soviet Union on April 12, 1961 as part of the Vostok program.
This is from an article about manned space exploration in their Wikipedia.
Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin (9 March 1934 - 27 March 1968) was a Soviet Air Forces pilot and cosmonaut who became the first human to journey into outer space, achieving a major milestone in the Space Race; his capsule, Vostok 1, completed one orbit of Earth on 12 April 1961. Gagarin became an international celebrity and was awarded many medals and titles, including Hero of the Soviet Union, his nation's highest honor.
This is from a detailed biographical article about Gagarin in the same place.
Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first person in space when he orbited the Earth in a Vostok spacecraft on April 12, 1961.
This is from an article in the National Geographic magazine about the American space program.
I don’t know how old you are, but lying is not good at any age.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Undecim

I don’t know how old you are, but lying is not good at any age.

You wishful thinking. Somewhere in some official publications, the truth about primacy in space is still written, but no one in the West ever mentions this. They always talk exclusively about the "space" merits of the Americans, and the role of the USSR in space exploration is deliberately kept silent. The old method, which is not talked about, means that it seems like it never happened, and vice versa, what they ring out about from each iron means it is true in the first instance. In this way, distorted historical stereotypes and public opinion are formed. So, before accusing me of lying, first pay attention to your childish naivety. Truth-seeking pancake.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Undecim

You rub your tales as offended

In my opinion, offended here, only you. What are you trying to prove? What is written on wikipedia? I proceed from the position of official American propaganda.

And to be ignorant is not good.

Ignorance is only you, if you do not accept objective reality.

And this is a page from this book about the first astronauts

Who read it? Today, everyone watches only TV, or surfs the net, but not at all on websites developing a worldview. For Americans, the truth is what is shown, for example, in the movie "The Martian", where the Russians are not mentioned at all. You are poking around with some kind of book for children.

[Undecim]

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Trolls cannot prove anything. I wrote a comment for those who read your libel.
I gave you an example of a book for five-year-old Americans, where it is written in capital letters that Gagarin was the first astronaut, and Tereshkova was the first woman - an astronaut.
For five year olds !!!! However, you continue to troll about some kind of propaganda about which you have no idea. What is the official position? Give an example? Here in the form of such a picture. Since it is official, then there should be an example.
You know, a troll is even worse than a liar. Wipe yourself and don't lie anymore.

[mister-red]

By the way, John Glenn became famous for the fact that he slipped into a spacesuit on the ground. I drank some coffee, delayed the launch, could not stand it. Imagine if Gagarin did something like that. And he’s done, he peeed on the wheel of the bus, which later became a tradition. Even in the little things, the Americans lost.

[1536]

I understand that we have not reached the turn. We stand at a traffic light that turns the old American traffic controller on and off.

[orionvitt]

Quote: 1536

We stand at a traffic light that turns the old American traffic controller on and off.

At the American traffic light, for us there is always a red light. It's time to move to the roundabout with your traffic lights.

[Nikolaevich I]

The Americans were going to appropriate the Moon and Mars ... and this is when not a single American dog has traveled into space! And ours has been! Both men and women visited! First!

The main thing is to start! Happy holiday!

[bubalik]

when not a single American dog has traveled in space! And ours has been! Both men and women visited! P

[Crimean partisan 1974]

not a single American dog has traveled into space! ..... like a monkey was,
joke on the topic
with MCC communication with the spacecraft
-Squirrel!!!!
GAV
- click on the right button
-Arrow!!!
GAV
- press the left button
-Chukchi!!!
GAV
-What the hell are you barking there, feed the dogs and don’t touch anything

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

joke on the topic

After landing, the Mongolian astronaut reporters ask
- How are you feeling?
- Fine, only my hands hurt
- ???????
Yes, I just want to press something, right off the bat, "Don't go anywhere, sit still"

[Nikolaevich I]

Duc, the monkey is not a dog! Here we have a dog-friend of man! You just hear: "It's none of your dog's business!", "In such weather, a good owner will not drive the dog out of the house!" ("drunk" husband - wife, emotionally
who sent him on a very long and walking journey ...), "Yes, do not hesitate, this is new! Not a single dog has lifted a leg!" , "grabbed a bulldog's grip", "Pug barks at an elephant ...", "Don't go where the dog was sticking his" tool "!" ... And who ever heard an American say something similar about a monkey? About the monkey, I only know one "saying": "Everyone has their own taste!" Said the Indian, kissing the monkey in the ass ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Everyone has their own taste! - said the Indian, ........ I don't know about it. but about taste and color there is another anecdote "how deceiving nature is, said the hedgehog, slacking off the cactus .... but with cynology we have always been close, ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and with cynology, we were always close ....

[Crimean partisan 1974]

as in Semyonich's song "maybe that shabby cat was a scoundrel before, and this kind man was a good dog before" .... I mentioned it. no dogs, it's a pity that Laika was not returned from orbit

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.i also mentioned. no dogs

The head of our group personally knew Korolev and talked about such a case.
One dog was prepared for flight into space. And then there were strict weight restrictions.
The dog weighed a little more. Put her on a diet. It’s gaining weight anyway.
Another diet was reduced. Anyway, the weight is growing
We decided to follow what was happening.
It turns out that the soldier who looked after her, fed, cleaned, walked, brought her part of his ration from the dining room. They asked why he was doing this, said that the dog was sorry, whining and whining ...
When Korolyov was asked how to punish a soldier, he said that they were not punished for good.

[serg.shishkov2015]

* There are no comrades for taste and color! * - said the ginger cat, licking his ,,,,,,, mustache

[Avior]

Happy holiday to all!

[Avior]

By the way, I advise you to watch the film, today is the day when I want to remember how our future was seen in the distant 60s on the first flights
https://youtu.be/xquJ5-fZiNE
Dream towards.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avior

Happy holiday to all!

[orionvitt]

tell the responsible persons where and when did all of us, and astronautics in particular, turn in the wrong direction?

The answer is simple. When they began to peek west. But instead of borrowing the best, they were led by cheap advertising and demagoguery and absorbed the worst from the West. All his vices. And then we sincerely wonder what went wrong.

[serg.shishkov2015]

On this day, songs about space performed by Yuri Gulyaev sound so good! Inspire for work! Once again, all of us on the holiday!

[Van 16]

There were many good songs, you can't remember everything at once. I really liked from "Moscow - Cassiopeia" (If we forget something, the stars are unlikely to accept us), and "Earth's Gravity", also very, very much!

[serg.shishkov2015]

I have them on my office computer! I’m just working now and I’ve put something from space songs for inspiration! In my life, only two holidays remained - Victory Day and Cosmonautics Day! After work, a little note!

[Moon]

Quote: Van 16

I really liked from "Moscow - Cassiopeia

cool movie.

[Amateur]

I remember that day well. My grandmother and I were doing something in the kitchen. Suddenly a neighbor looked through the window and shouted loudly and excitedly: "Our astronauts have launched !!!" and ran on. Where they launched, who (what) they launched - nothing is clear. They turned on the radio. And suddenly Levitan: "Today ... a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Major Gagarin Yuri Alekseevich." Grandmother crossed herself and said: "Will he see God there?"

[DMB 75]

Quote: Amateur

"Our cosmonauts have been launched !!!"

What a rise was in the country !!!

[serg.shishkov2015]

I will not pass, Why spoil the holiday? This is your opinion, you have a right to it, the Internet is a territory of freedom

[Private-K]

And what does my opinion have to do with it?
My opinion doesn’t mean anything.
And there is, His Majesty FACT. There is Her Majesty the TRUTH.
And they are as I said.

[Private-K]

Why not declassify Gagarin’s speech at the September 1964 plenary session of the CPSU Central Committee on the patriotic education of youth, where he made a proposal to restore the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and the Arc de Triomphe?
Why not declassify the KGB dossier on Gagarin? What are state secrets? Let them declassify the reports to Gagarin, to the internal committee reports on him ...

[AB0877]

Not true. In 1964, the plenum of the Central Committee was in October and there was only one question on it - the removal of Khrushchev. And how could Gagarin get to the plenum? What dossier of the KGB, moreover a secret one, why? All issues were resolved at the maximum Kamanin level. I highly recommend his memoir "Hidden Space".

[Private-K]

Quote: AB0877

Not true. In 1964, the plenum of the Central Committee was in October and it was faced with one single question - the removal of Khrushchev. And how could Gagarin get to the plenum? What is the KGB dossier, and even the secret one, why?

At 64m was the only plenum of the Central Committee?
Or was it not a plenum but something else somehow called in the bird language of the Bolsheviks?
Gagarin is a member of the Komsomol Central Committee. And as a member of the Komsomol Central Committee, he had both the right and the obligation to speak on certain issues within his competencies, including and in the Central Committee of the CPSU. And questions about youth education were within the framework of these competencies.
The KGB dossier contains reports of external surveillance and a schedule of places He visited, reports of his words, behavior, etc., etc. And, as I have indicated, summaries and reports to the authorities.
You also need to check the missile regiment books on the Su-15 - one of these aircraft was right next to it in the air during the "plane crash". It is necessary to look through other KGB archives for work with the pilot of that plane - before and after the disaster.
They just won’t do this all, and they will try to destroy the archives.
For if confirmation is revealed that Gagarin was killed, this allows the Russian Orthodox Church to rank him as a martyr. And this is a complete scratch for the red Russophobia.

[AB0877]

It was you who indicated September 1964. Later (in 1964) there were no Central Committee plenums. There is no connection between a member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol (and even there he was more likely a "wedding general" due to his workload and study) and the right to speak at the plenum of the Central Committee (you would have turned down the Politburo). Again conspiracy theories about the deaths of Gagarin and Seregin? We open the same B.E. Chertok - "Rockets and People", volume 3 "Hot days of the Cold War", page 615, the last paragraph from the bottom and carefully read until the end of the chapter. There are many versions considered, but none of them Do you know what is good about the book? It was written by a specific author, specific names and titles of people expressing well-reasoned reasons are given. This is not an Internet information that can be asked to remove the administrator. And then the Russian Orthodox Church and some kind of "zashkvar for red Russophobes (who is this such?) "- did not understand at all.
So, if you insist, then look for the exact date of the performance, compare it with the schedule of Gagarin, and better give a quote of the performance with an indication of the source. Find it - I admit my wrong.

[Avior]

do not need these inventions
in 1964 there were four plenums of the Central Committee of the CPSU

Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU

(February 10-15, 1964)

Op. 1, 697-698, 700-743 units. hr., 1964

Reports of the Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee M.A. Suslov, Minister of Agriculture of the USSR I.P. Volovchenko. Co-reports of the Chairman of the All-Union Union "Soyuzselkhoztekhnika" AA Yezhevsky, Chairman of the State Production Committee for Irrigated Agriculture and Water Resources of the USSR Ye.E. Alekseevskaya, Minister of Production and Procurement of the Russian Federation LI Maksimov; the Ministers of Agriculture of the Ukrainian SSR M.S. Spivak and the Byelorussian SSR S.G. Skoropanov; Ministers of production and procurement of agricultural products of the Kazakh SSR B.N. Dvoretsky, Tajik SSR Kh.N. Mirzayants, Uzbek SSR Kh.A. Irgashev, Georgian SSR Z.V. Geldiashvili, Azerbaijan SSR A.K. Orudzhev, Moldavian SSR M. Sidorov, Kirghiz SSR P.G. Yakimuk, Lithuanian SSR M.Yu. Grigalyunas, Latvian SSR B.G. Stroganov, Estonian SSR E.G. Tynurist, Armenian SSR G.S. Petrosyan, Turkmen SSR R.A. Charyev.

Resolutions "On the intensification of agricultural production based on the widespread use of fertilizers, the development of irrigation, comprehensive mechanization and the introduction of scientific achievements and advanced experience for the fastest increase in agricultural production" and "On the struggle of the CPSU for the cohesion of the international communist movement."

Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU

(July 11 1964)

Op. 1, 744-747 units. hr., 1964

The issues of pensions and benefits for collective farmers, raising wages for workers in education, health, housing and communal services, trade, public catering and other sectors of the economy, and a five-day working week with two days off were discussed; on agriculture, the question of the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was considered.

Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU

(October 14, 1964)

Op. 1, 748-753 units. hr., 1964

Speech by Leonid Brezhnev at the opening of the plenum. Decisions and draft resolutions of the Presidium and Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU on relieving N. Khrushchev of the duties of First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, member of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR; on the election of Leonid Brezhnev as First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee; on the appointment of A.N. Kosygin as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU

(November 16, 1964)

Op. 1, 754-764 units. hr., 1964

Reports of the First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee L.I. Brezhnev and the Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee N.V. Podgorny.

Resolutions: "On the unification of industrial and rural regional, regional party organizations", "On the results of negotiations and consultations with some fraternal parties in October-November of this year.".

https://web.archive.org/web/20170218071351/http://guides.rusarchives.ru/browse/guidebook.html?bid=208&sid=721069
none of what you wrote was

[SHURUM -BURUM]

This is Kamanin, who responded to Komarov’s proposal not to rush to launch, answered to the officer: "Are you afraid?"

[AB0877]

This is this Kamanin:
http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=604
Komarov (astronaut) could hardly discuss the launch date.

[Avior]

Such things were decided not personally by Kamanin and not by astronauts
This is how the decision was made for the first flight

29 March.

From 16:00 to 18:00, the State Commission met at Rudnev following the results of the last launch of the spacecraft and its readiness for the flight of the astronaut. Korolev briefly reported on the results of the launch of seven Vostok ships: in 1960 - May 15, July 28, August 19, December 1 and 22; in 1961 - on March 9 and 25. He paid special attention to the last two successful launches and concluded that the launch vehicle and the Vostok-3A ship were ready for human flight. After other speeches, Rudnev interviewed everyone personally: “Who is the manned flight in the spaceship”? Everyone was in flight.
At 18:30 everyone gathered at Ustinov. The report is the same as that of Rudnev, made by Korolev. He demonstrated two albums of photographs taken on March 9 and 25 during the passage of ships over Africa and Turkey. One of the photographs clearly shows the Turkish city of Alexandretta and the concrete strip of the airfield. There are some pictures of flying saucers. In shape, these are not plates, but glasses or vases placed one on top of the other. The outlines of these beautiful and somewhat fantastic figures are very clear, I would say, even sharp. I can’t believe that these are optical “tricks” in the atmosphere; "Plates" are perceived as real objects - you just want to touch them with your hand.
After the Queen, Voronin, Alekseev, Gusev, Keldysh, Ivashutin, Rudnev spoke. I performed three times. All confirmed the readiness of the carrier, Vostok-3A, astronauts, all equipment, communications and search for the flight of a spaceship with a person on board. As a result of the discussion, the report was edited in the Central Committee of the CPSU on the readiness to conduct the world's first manned flight into space from April 10–20, 1961. The report was signed by: Ustinov, Rudnev, Kalmykov, Dementiev, Butoma, Keldysh, Moskalenko, Kamanin, Ivashutin, Korolev. Three versions of TASS messages were attached to the report:
1. Immediately after the ship enters orbit, announce to the whole world that it is a citizen of the USSR ........... in the spaceship "The East has ascended into space and is flying in orbit. The astronaut supports two-way radio communication. The astronaut is feeling well.
2. After landing, inform the place and time of landing. Report astronaut's well-being.
3. In the event of an emergency landing of an astronaut in the ocean or in foreign territory, announce this and ask for assistance to the astronaut.
It was decided that the Vostok ship would not have an emergency blasting system. Only one Ivashutin objected to this decision. He and the Queen were instructed to look again at the ship’s equipment and decide what needs to be done so that secret data does not fall into the wrong hands in the event of an emergency landing in foreign territory ....

Diaries and letters
Kamanin Nikolai Petrovich
Hidden space

[Lipchanin]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

This is the Kamanin who, on Komarov’s proposal

And Kamanin had nothing to do with determining the launch date.
He was only responsible for training the astronauts
Decisions were then made at the level of the Central Committee

[SHURUM -BURUM]

I can’t remember right now in which of the memoirs of people who worked side by side with the astronauts read this, but this dialogue, as I recall, took place in the presence of a large group of specialists when discussing the readiness of the ship for flight. And when Komarov expressed doubt, Kamanin, as was written, besieged him with this remark. After reading, I was then struck by the level of saldafonism of the once fearless real Hero. Sorry, I didn’t want to offend anyone.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

when discussing the readiness of the ship for flight.

Yes, Kamanin could not discuss anything there. He had nothing to do with the ship
He is not a techie. He was responsible for training the astronauts.
He worked with people, but not with technology

Sorry, I didn’t want to offend anyone.

Yes, you have not offended anyone.
Happy holiday

[Avior]

I spoke with Komarov one-on-one and advised him to carry out the entire flight program only if the equipment was in excellent condition and the crew was feeling well, in case of deviations from the norm, consult with Earth, and in the absence of communication, make decisions on his own, but not rush and remember all the time that the main task is to take off and land safely. We do not need a docking of ships or a spacewalk if they can end in serious accidents. Complete fulfillment of the flight program is highly desirable, but it would be foolish for the sake of one of the experiments to risk the success of the first flight on the Soyuz. Komarov understood me, and I am sure that he will cope with his task.

Comanine, Hidden Space

[bober1982]

Gagarin was a Russian, baptized and Orthodox man, first of all, and of course he was no materialist.
Speaking at the Plenum of the Central Committee, he proposed the restoration of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which greatly frightened the entire Presidium of the Central Committee.
We can talk about the attitude to the Orthodox faith, both of Gagarin himself and of the Soviet cosmonauts for a long time - this attitude was very respectful, let’s say so.

[Mebius]

Quote: bober1982

Gagarin was a Russian, baptized and Orthodox man, first of all, and of course he was no materialist.

Oh, how you were immediately overwhelmed with minuses .. They don’t let us talk, but we will still emphasize this!

Quote: bober1982

Speaking at the Plenum of the Central Committee, he proposed the restoration of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which greatly frightened the entire Presidium of the Central Committee.
We can talk about the attitude to the Orthodox faith, both of Gagarin himself and of the Soviet cosmonauts for a long time - this attitude was very respectful, let’s say so.

I did not know thanks !!! They tried to make us atheists for a long time and yet our Orthodox souls remained ..
PS I'm baptized, but I rarely go to church, it should be in my heart and yet I'm glad that faith is being restored to Orthodox churches, etc. That’s why no one is blaming Katolikov here, but as soon as the Russian Orthodox Church and Russia are concerned, the howl begins immediately ..
For you, Yuri Gagarin, you will forever remain in the history of mankind .. A simple Russian man with an obedient emotional smile !!!

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: bober1982

Gagarin was a Russian, baptized and Orthodox man, first of all, and of course he was no materialist.

We must be both "believers" (more precisely, knowing better) and materialists, there is no opposition here ... "Trust in God, do not make a mistake yourself!" this saying from the people for many years. This world was given so that we could prove ourselves.

Quote: Mobius

They tried to make us atheists for a long time and yet our Orthodox souls remained ..

The atheist also recognizes the existence of BG as his denial thereof; however, the paradox is You probably mean - atheists?
And real communists are not atheists and atheists with materialists, the most faithful followers of Christ. For BG, it doesn't matter what you say, the main thing is that you do something useful in understanding it. Now the stoned people will say they blew up the temples! And Yeshua, in my opinion, chased the merchants with kicks from the temples, realizing the futility, decided to "destroy the temples" and build it in the soul of every person! What, in fact, he was accused and then crucified precisely for this ... The temple is good only until the moment when a parasite in the form of an interpreter and "expert on the word of the Lord" does not start in it ... So until we build a temple in our souls , and not in the form of a structure where most of the "believers" did not even bother to read the charter (the Bible), we are doomed to suffer
Why did we turn the wrong way? It is precisely because of the lost souls, not aliens, not BG, but people who chose the Golden Calf ... Holo_sui or lose! Yes, yes, no, yes! - remember this mantra? Well, yes, they helped us to make the "right choice", but the decision was ours, and it is still ours ...
Happy holiday friends!

[Private-K]

Hold on!
With Palm Sunday!

[Mebius]

Quote: Private-K

Hold on!
With Palm Sunday!

And you with a great Orthodox holiday!

[Amateur]

Speaking at the Plenum of the Central Committee, he proposed the restoration of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which greatly frightened the entire Presidium of the Central Committee.

1. Yu.A. Gagarin was not a member of the Central Committee, so he could not make a report.
2. Yu.A. Gagarin could make a welcoming speech at the plenum. And this means that he had to read a piece of paper text, which was agreed 33 times.
3. In 1964, the absolute majority of citizens of the USSR, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was "cared for", and YM Luzhkov from 1964 to 1971 was the head of the department for automation of management of the State Committee for Chemistry and hardly thought about restoration of the temple.
4. Simple Gzhatsky guy Yura hardly knew that there was a temple on the site of the Moskva pool.

[Private-K]

Quote: Amateur

1. Yu.A. Gagarin was not a member of the Central Committee, so he could not make a report.

He was a member of the Komsomol Central Committee. And as a member of the Komsomol Central Committee, he had both the right and the obligation to speak on certain issues within his competencies, including and in the Central Committee of the CPSU. And questions about youth education were within the framework of these competencies. In addition, he was instructed to speak.

Quote: Amateur

3. In 1964, to the absolute majority of citizens of the USSR, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was "cared for" ....

It did not even know that such a temple existed!
For the Soviet government lied and acted upon, always hid everything about itself and about its deeds.

Quote: Amateur

4. Simple Gzhatsky guy Yura hardly knew that there was a temple on the site of the Moskva pool.

So you get caught up in red arrogance: "How does this Russian village man know anything about the Temple? We, communists, etched memory with a hot iron."
However:
"... we are talking about the Church-Archaeological Office at the Moscow Theological Academy. We [with Gagarin] went there, of course, and there an incident occurred that shocked me completely. When we approached the model of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, Yura looked inside, looked and said to me: “Valentine, look what a beauty destroyed!"For a very long time he looked at him then ...
When we returned from the [Trinity-Sergius] Lavra that time, we were so impressed with everything we saw that we were driving under hypnosis. Yura unexpectedly said to me: "Valentine, ponder the words: Ise, be in Heaven." I opened my eyes: “Yuri Alekseevich, do you know prayers ?!” He says: “Do you think you alone know them? Well, you know how to be silent. " But in the courtyard - 1964, the time when Khrushchev gave his promises to "show the last priest" ...

[Amateur]

This quote is taken from an interview with Colonel Valentin Vasilyevich Petrov, associate professor of the Yuri Gagarin Air Force Academy, which he gave to the Interfax-Religion portal.
Reference: Interfax-Religion is a Russian information web portal, a division of the Interfax information group [1]. This Internet resource was launched on December 20, 2004 [2] with the support of the Interreligious Council of Russia [3]. The editor-in-chief is Valentina Trubetskaya [4] (Wikipedia).
In 2004, you could remember anything.
About the colonel himself it is written modestly: "his main awards are church ones."

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Quote: Amateur

Speaking at the Plenum of the Central Committee

Today on the channel Roskosmos in the film about Gagarin there was an audio recording of his speech, where he demanded the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, as a result, the arch was restored, but "no money was found" for the temple. And yes, Gagarin knew about the temple, as he saw its pre-revolutionary layout in the Lavra.

[Private-K]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Amateur

Speaking at the Plenum of the Central Committee

Today on the channel Roskosmos in the film about Gagarin there was an audio recording of his speech, where he demanded the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, as a result, the arch was restored, but "no money was found" for the temple. And yes, Gagarin knew about the temple, as he saw its pre-revolutionary layout in the Lavra.

Those., the words of Gagarin's personal friend Valentin Petrov are fully confirmed.
And I was right when I brought them as an argument for Gagarin's confession of the Christian faith.
But the haters of Christianity and Sovietophiles are only able to scream and zamusuyut.

[Odysseus]

Quote: slipped

Today on the channel Roskosmos in the film about Gagarin there was an audio recording of his speech, where he demanded the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, as a result, the arch was restored, but "no money was found" for the temple. And yes, Gagarin knew about the temple, as he saw its pre-revolutionary layout in the Lavra.

Lying is not good.
1) He did not demand "the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior", but spoke of "In my opinion, we still do not educate enough respect for the heroic past, often without thinking about the preservation of monuments." This is an accurate quote from his speech.
2) Acre restored according to the decree. Sov. Mine USSR adopted before the speech of Gagarin.
3) Gagarin never spoke at the plenary sessions of the Party (and could not speak at them), his speech took place at the VIII plenum of the Komsomol Central Committee on the work of the Belarusian Republican and Ivanovo regional Komsomol organizations to educate young people on the revolutionary, military, labor traditions of the Soviet people.
4) And the majority of Soviet people, of course, knew about the temple, regardless of their worldview. But judging by the modern "apocrypha", he did not know about it. He just asked the question, where is such beauty located? However, all these "apocrypha" is not confirmed by anything.
P / S. Well, it’s not superfluous to give another quote from his speech
"It has already become an unwritten rule that before a flight, cosmonauts come to Red Square, come to Ilyich's mausoleum and swear an oath to complete the assigned task, whatever the cost."

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Quote: Odyssey

Quote: slipped

Today on the channel Roskosmos in the film about Gagarin there was an audio recording of his speech, where he demanded the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, as a result, the arch was restored, but "no money was found" for the temple. And yes, Gagarin knew about the temple, as he saw its pre-revolutionary layout in the Lavra.

Lying is not good.
1) He did not demand "the restoration of the Arc de Triomphe of 1812 and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior", but spoke of "In my opinion, we still do not educate enough respect for the heroic past, often without thinking about the preservation of monuments." This is an accurate quote from his speech.
2) Acre restored according to the decree. Sov. Mine USSR adopted before the speech of Gagarin.

Certainly not good

The stream was going against my background, but it was precisely this moment that caught me and attracted attention. In the full version of the quote that you quoted, both the arch and the temple were mentioned later in context.

Here is an excerpt about what I said and what they showed:

[apro]

Quote: bober1982

Gagarin was a Russian, baptized and Orthodox person, primarily

Don’t touch the alien ... the reds haven’t been 30 years old ... Have you Russians made comparable achievements? Have you reached the level of 1961? Is your society capable of doing such things? Or again Vilenin put an atomic bomb ... and the bloody IVStalin drowned the Russian people in blood. ..
These are the achievements of Soviet civilization.

[mister-red]

Quote: bober1982

of course he was no materialist

Do you think materialism is an abusive word? How would it exist, regardless of anyone's opinion. And it seems like no one has yet proven the opposite.
Personally, I do not need priests with churches. Only about spirituality, a big request to start - these things do not intersect.

[bober1982]

Quote: mister-red

Do you think materialism is an abusive word?

Materialism is a real pseudo-religion, which even has its own "postulates", only there are no proofs of its teaching.

[Alex_Rarog]

Jura forgive us all of us ....

[Lipchanin]

Happy Holiday. Happy holiday fellow soldiers !!!

[askort154]

Wow, oh you, we all on Earth are astronauts!
Only Darwin told us that we were from monkeys.
Happy holiday, earth-astronauts!

[serg.shishkov2015]

At the beginning of the zero on the eve of THIS day, the first city competition of educational workers * Hello! We are looking for talents! * I read a poem about cosmonaut Vladimir Semenovich Vysotsky

[The guard]

Well, as if our astronautics were not to blame .. But still, the Russians were the first in space and THIS IS FACT!
Comrades, this was something .. The whole world was in shock, from the breakthrough of the USSR, after such a terrible war .. And now we’ve been marking the spot for 25 years .. But democracy and freedom of the market are overpowering from one crisis to another. .Eh there were times !!!!
Forgive us Yuri and Korolev, I hope we will restore everything and also tear ..

[cniza]

having united millions, he will really think about his future.

People began to think only about money ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

People began to think only about money ........ life is good, and money is evil. and good and evil go hand in hand, there is a silver lining without good and good without a cloud, the USSR and the USA are an example of this, the USSR fed the world’s gratuitously watered and as a result, apart from spitting in the back, nothing. and the United States drove half the world into poverty, and in the end they lick half the world slippers. something like that

[cniza]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

The United States drove half of the world into poverty, and in the end they licks half the world of slippers. something like that

Unfortunately, but you are right only if the United States lame it all takers will tear it.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

only if the USA lame it all the hangers-on will tear it ........ well, the USA waxes now is not a country but a conglomerate of corporations from rockefellers and Rothschilds and some more young stripes, half the country live in trailers, the USA as such doesn’t exist anymore, it’s just not customary to talk about it with us or ours, and striped corporations like our Lenin have always lived, are alive and will live, only in contrast to Lenin, boldly and freely, and to defend their interests bloody and insidious

[Mebius]

Happy Holidays! What can I say, and we were the first in space .. You can’t argue against the fact, no matter how much dirt was poured on the USSR and our people!
Forever in history we will remain those who first stormed the Cosmos!
Now it’s difficult for Russia to concentrate resources for space programs .. But still, something is being done (the floating spaceport at the Yanneks was squeezed out). We’ll restore and still show Kuz'kin’s mother!

Once again all those who support Russia with our holiday!

[DEDPIHTO]

Mikhan, we’ll definitely restore it with such an astronaut and show everyone ..)))) Previously, it didn’t work out apparently because he did not have a spacesuit.))).

[Whirlwind]

We turned in the wrong direction in 1969, when silently, at the command of the Brezhnev Politburo, we swallowed the American lunar scam. Then the Americans bought and caught Brezhnev and Co. ... with expensive oil, detente and other "cookies" ...
The USSR-Russia, which until then stood at the forefront of the formation of the planetary civilization of earthlings as a cosmic civilization, was firmly planted on the "western" hooks from which it still cannot break away. As a result, the idea of ​​the earthlings entering space and its planned exploration, with the aim of resettling the ever-increasing population of the Earth, was replaced by the cannibalistic ideology of the "golden billion", i.e. the destruction of the extra six billion earthlings. The coronavirus pandemic is another witness ...

[Mebius]

Quote: Whirlwind

We turned in the wrong direction in 1969, when silently, at the command of the Brezhnev Politburo, we swallowed the American lunar scam. Then the Americans bought and caught Brezhnev and Co. ... with expensive oil, detente and other "cookies" ...
The USSR-Russia, which until then stood at the forefront of the formation of the planetary civilization of earthlings as a cosmic civilization, was firmly planted on "western" hooks, from which it still cannot break away.

And Jews began to be mass-produced, and everything started to sell technology and the delivery of secrets, etc. ..
And then Reagan caught us at the SDI .. Well, Gorbach finished everything with EBN ..
We are sitting now at a trough, trying to glue and knock down with rusty nails ..
And yet not everything is lost yet! Work is underway ..

[Vadim237]

But SOI was not a bluff — but a real program that spent more than $ 100 billion, some of its elements could only be created by 2025 — there are already working elements of the Aegis system SM 3 THAAD rocket and orbital interceptors now I continue to work on military orbital lasers using the same beam weapons of space neutron emitters. And Gorbachev at the end of the 80s understood that the country simply didn’t have the money to continue the arms race since the country was rapidly slipping into bankruptcy, and then wherever you go everywhere, the economic and political loss.

[Mebius]

Quote: Vadim237

But SOI was not a bluff - but a real program that spent more than $ 100 billion, some of its elements could only be created by 2025 - there are already working

Well, maybe there are, but we also have a barrel with nails and explosives in space, just in case ..
How do you like the USA then praises everything here .. NATO is sitting in a puddle now specifically! That’s what’s funny and for 15-20 years .... Now it’s trying to put pressure economically and morally on Russia (with the help of the fifth column) ..But something is going wrong ..))) I’m even afraid to pronounce this name ..

[Vadim237]

I set out only historical facts. SDI continues only the name has changed to the national missile defense and US space forces. I will praise the United States when they again land on the moon and build a lunar orbital station.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Mobius

And Jews began to be mass-produced

They still can’t be forced to leave for the promised land by any gingerbread.

[AB0877]

Finish with conspiracy theories about the "lunar scam". Read:
1. Cosmonautics: Encyclopedia / Ch. ed. V.P. Glushko; Editorial Board: V.P. Barmin, C.D. Bushuev, V.S. Vereshchetin et al. - M.: Sov. Encyclopedia, 1985.
2. "Rockets and People" vol.4 "Moon Race". B.E. Chertok. 2007
This will be enough to understand the issue.

[Whirlwind]

This is all physics, and it is without metaphysics, like a one-legged cripple.
Without a crutch (conspiracy theology) not a single step.

[AU Ivanov.]

We turned the wrong way when the party elite rejected the Kosygin reforms.

[U-58]

It seems to me that not hitting the moon was the first prerequisite for folding "in the wrong place."
Further, in the spirit of the idea of ​​one of the Strugatsky’s heroes, Ivan Zhilin.
.. "The most important thing is on Earth" ...
For excuse, they sentenced that long-term orbital stations are our FSO. True, it is not known what they gave to humanity ...
The tasks of interplanetary communication went only to science fiction writers.
Then stagnation and, let's face it, regression in the economy led to a shortage of funds for space.
And that’s the truth: the self-sufficiency of outer space is now discussed only in terms of the tasks set.
So we fly (in the sense, we drive) on the same Gagarin's "seven" ..
There are no new engines based on "other" physical principles, and there will never be.
Well, we reach the moon, well, maybe Mars is flying around.
We can sit down.
And what is needed for the jump?
No matter how cynical it sounds, you need a thunder that will strike.
Apophis, flashes in the Sun, the invasion of spiders or dinosaurs in order to enslave or destroy us.
This will be the incentive stimulus ..
All the holiday!
Well, I received my chocolate from my wife along with congratulations in the morning.
At the launch of the Mir station and the ISS Base Unit (and not only them) there is a bit of my work too.

[bubalik]

Well, we reach the moon, well, maybe Mars is flying around.

,,, I would like to believe in it. Not working yet

[mortido]

USSR First in space! All Happy Cosmonautics Day !!!

[Mebius]

Quote: mortido

USSR First in space! All Happy Cosmonautics Day !!!

Well, that's normal koment !!! Happy Eduard ..We still tear beyond the limits of the universe .. Give time !!!

[Nait]

Quote: AB0877

All 3 answers are wrong. To get an answer, you should read 4 volumes of "Rockets and People". Author B.E. Chertok. Everything is most fully described there. There are many other memoirs involved in comic projects.
You are not looking for 4 volumes in the network, it is only in paper. You can find only the first edition in 3 volumes, but more modest.
Good luck and happy holiday!

Yes, everything is freely available:
http://flibusta.is/a/20774

[Was mammoth]

Today is a triple celebration.
Congratulations!
All with the Day of Cosmonautics!
All Orthodox with Palm Sunday!
All those "who do not let fly" Happy Air Defense Troops Day!

[Mebius]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Today is a triple celebration.
Congratulations!
All with the Day of Cosmonautics!
All Orthodox with Palm Sunday!
All those "who do not let fly" Happy Air Defense Troops Day!

And my son is 18 years old !!!! And my grandmother was also born on this date)))
Well, in short, the peasants of ALL of us in Russia on the MAIN holiday, It was Yura Gagarin who sent greetings to us all from outer space in those distant times, and this was the greatest victory of Soviet science and the entire Soviet people after a bloody war!

This jerk needs to be repeated. In a new format and goals .. For the sake of our steel descendants !!!!

[Was mammoth]

Congratulations to your grandmother and son! And to you, as a grandson and father!

[Mebius]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Congratulations to your grandmother and son! And to you, as a grandson and father!

My grandmother has long been dead, and my son will not be an astronaut, of course (although you should know), but I hope that he will be an honest person in his affairs .. I told him such a farewell And most importantly, to love your homeland -Russia .. As if he did not brainwash in social networks !!! Otherwise, like Taras Bulba .. (God forbid weaving such a but ...!))))

[Ros 56]

All members of the forum with Cosmonautics Day!
I think we will once again surprise the world with our achievements.

Otherwise, it will be a shame to face this person.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ros 56

Otherwise, it will be a shame to face this person.

Have you noticed that in this photo there are no USSR letters on the helmet?)
They were painted later, on the bus)

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Quote: Lipchanin

Have you noticed that in this photo there are no USSR letters on the helmet?) They were drawn later, on the bus)

This helmet has nothing to do with the helmet with the letters of the USSR. This survey was done later, after the flight.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Lipchanin

Have you noticed that in this photo there are no USSR letters on the helmet?) They were drawn later, on the bus)

This helmet has nothing to do with the helmet with the letters of the USSR. This survey was done later, after the flight.

Oh really? And how did you define this?

[slipped]

Quote: Lipchanin

Oh really? And how did you define this?

This is a shot of Mach a few days after the flight, for reporting to Khrushchev. Imprint from the film.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

This is a shot of Mach a few days after the flight, for reporting to Khrushchev.

Clear. Words words words...

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Quote: Lipchanin

Clear. Words words words...

Aha. This film is well known, as is the date it was shot. Photo and filming of Gagarin, before the flight, was not conducted.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Lipchanin

Clear. Words words words...

Aha. This film is well known, as is the date it was shot. Photo and filming of Gagarin, before the flight, was not conducted.

And what's that??? Cartoon? Made on Mosfilm?

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Quote: Lipchanin

Made on Mosfilm?

You could say that. Footage dated April 12 with Gagarin in it starts at 3:00. Rocket launch - Zenit-2 launch, the rest is staging.

on this frame cameo creator :)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

the rest is staging.

Goodbye "expert in the history of astronautics"
Just why besides you does not know about it. No need to answer, rhetorical question

[slipped]

Quote: Lipchanin

Just why besides you does not know about it. No need to answer, rhetorical question

Not interested, and therefore do not know. Refer to the source, to Mahmoud Rafikov for example.

[mister-red]

Quote: slipped

Rocket launch - launch of "Zenith-2",

Wow, Zenit-2 is already in the 61st year. And why they did not fly on it, its carrying capacity is almost 3 times more than that of the East.
Actually, this is a sidewall from Energy, flew in the mid 70's. And she has no lateral steps.

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Quote: mister-red

Wow, Zenit-2 is already in the 61st year.

Launches of the 11F61 photo reconnaissance satellite ("Zenit-2") on the LV 8K72K ("Vostok"):

December 11, 1961 - a failure during the work of the third stage, destroyed by command from the Earth.
April 26, 1962 - Cosmos-4.

Quote: mister-red

And why they did not fly on it, its carrying capacity is almost 3 times more than that of the East.
Actually, this is a sidewall from Energy, flew in the mid 70's. And she has no lateral steps.

I don’t even know what to answer to this ... Learn the materiel!

[Mebius]

Quote: Ros 56

All members of the forum with Cosmonautics Day!
I think we will once again surprise the world with our achievements.

Otherwise, it will be a shame to face this person.

Here is a significant photo. Without words on the face mask of the USSR at Gagarin ..
Someone said from the environment that it would be necessary to write the USSR word on a helmet or somewhere .. it’s not enough where it lands, otherwise our collective farmers will take him for a spy .. !!!
They immediately found an artist and he painted on the helmet of Gagarin, which was already ready for USSR space! This is from the Queen’s memoirs. Such an intrigue was
Happy Holiday again! And do not listen to the devils that are spreading rottenness against our country and the space industry. We are still the first to remain in piloting, etc. !
Yura, we will fix everything !!!!

[sanik2020]

I sincerely want to hope that humanity, turning back, recalling, among other things, the outstanding April event of 1961, bringing together millions, will really think about its future.

Mankind will not think about it and people yes, but there are always fewer people than just people.
Thanks to the fathers and grandfathers for what happened.
HAPPY PEOPLE HOLIDAY !!!

[Andrey VOV]

Happy Cosmonautics Day everyone! As for when ... my opinion will probably coincide with the opinion of others, the first turn in the wrong direction happened under Gorbachev, when his policy led the country into the abyss and, as an apotheosis, as for space programs, as a result, the rejection of the Energia- Buran ", the second turn is clear here, 1991 ... the collapse of the Great State ... another turn when they abandoned exclusively their own Mir station, flooding it to please the Americans in the Pacific Ocean, but then ..." effective managers ", Rogozin ... this is as a consequence of previous" creations "...... will we eventually return to the true path and ours? I hope, I really hope

[Sergey Nemov]

Quote: Andrey VOV

I hope, really hope

We must hope. But if there is no change of "effective managers", to those who understand what a space program is, then in the future we can lag behind in the race for space ...

[Peter is not the first]

A cool headline, but the content does not match it.

[Sardanapalus]

And to prove that Gagarin did not fly anywhere, and that Mankind was not on the moon, like two fingers on asphalt. What is it today, the anti-moons, not the pilots, flat-earths and other mucks have quieted down. Pros earn.

[Sergey Nemov]

Quote: Sardanapalus

prove that Gagarin didn’t fly anywhere

Try, prove, and we will laugh.

Quote: Sardanapalus

Humanity was not on the moon

Not the fact that the Americans were on the moon ...

[Sardanapalus]

There are no facts of Gagarin's flight at all, if we compare it with the facts of the flights of Mankind to the Moon. There are only reports from stakeholders who were involved in this project. For positions, titles, awards, and just so as not to get a hat. And the famous "let's go" was filmed at "Mosfilm". You can continue to flirt, but I will not. Gagarin, Apollo - since childhood, a bright, positive parallel in consciousness.

[mister-red]

Quote: Sardanapalus

There are no facts of Gagarin’s flight at all,

The Americans knew about the flight less than 1/2 hour after the start, all negotiations were intercepted. And the ship itself was completely accompanied by locators. They did not know only one thing - that Gagarin ejected and landed separately by parachute. This actually hid until the 90s.

[Sardanapalus]

The flight to the moon was not secret; hundreds of thousands watched the launch personally. the flight was tracked by the whole world, Apollo was accompanied, among other things, by Soviet observation stations. What more do you want? Oh, and also this "that Gagarin ejected and landed separately on a parachute. This was actually hiding until the 90s." ... Strangely, as a pioneer, I knew that Gagarin had landed by parachute. And in the 90s there were no more pioneers.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

What more do you need? ....... and they need a shekolada ........ a video signal came from the East. to compare atmospheric phenomena from orbit and on Earth at the time of flight is a trifling matter. at what with Jura movie cameras in orbit. with regards to Apollo 11 .... immediately ask the skeptics a question ... how could our Luna-15 get into the movie camera attached to the chest of Aldrin's spacesuit, which flopped nearby .... what did the cubicle see and foresee it?

[mister-red]

And I did not say anything about the moon. I do not belong at all to those who dispute this. But there are many questions. Even too much.
As for the bailout, you probably still do not know. Find and read a story about how, for example, they recorded a record for Gagarin’s flight in the FAI. When you were a pioneer, this was no longer a secret. I doubt that you were until 1964. After the flight of the Sunrises, in which bailouts were no longer required, they ceased to say that astronauts in the Vostoks landed in the cockpit.

[Moon]

Happy Holidays Science and Technology. The capabilities of mankind and a breakthrough of a biological species beyond its capabilities.
The feat was made possible thanks to the development of science, the birth of geniuses, and cohesion of the team.
Space has become much closer and more interesting.

[Shahno]

Today, then the Queen must be remembered ... and sharashka. Well, and congratulations to those involved ... Special greetings to my longtime friend Evgeny Sh ... So the last time we talked at the funeral of my uncle ..

[da Vinci]

From the fantastic:

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

All ritual viewing "The Taming of the Fire"!
Author, you better ask a similar question on the 22nd.

[ont65]

In cosmonautics, as in any other field of activity, it turned out that it is impossible to walk the paths traced by the founders, if only because they are not statesmen, not leaders of parties or governments. S.P. it was difficult to break through the very idea of ​​cosmonautics where any of the most ambitious projects were decided. Any social doctrines on which the life of states is based and those at any moment can be revised for the sake of business communities that rule the economy and almost everything depends on their intentions. What can we say about very costly and not profitable projects? Mankind will not leave space, at least near, in the near future, but according to how the development of the far is going on, it can already be said that history will not go the ways that have been talked about from the beginning of the last century. The silence of the cosmos in this sense seems very eloquent.

[Old26]

Happy holiday to everyone - Happy Cosmonautics Day!

Quote: Ilya-spb

I will try to answer where we turned "wrong".
1) Project management. Gave the so-called. effective managers, not specialists.

The answer is not entirely correct. Unfortunately, we did not have projects that would become nationwide. Each of the Chief Designers pulled a blanket over himself. Each created his own carrier.
There were projects, although they did not reach iron. There was no such unifying force as in the late 50s - such as Sergei Pavlovich Korolev. And then the managers did not smell, although the same Korolev was an excellent manager ....

Quote: Ilya-spb

I will try to answer where we turned "wrong".
2) Lack of dreams. A dream cannot be measured in money. And here everything reduces to commercialization. This of course, you need to make money. But where money will not be a dream of stars, of Cosmos.

There were dreams. We also dreamed about flights to other planets. There were also projects that did not reach the "hardware" and remained paper. But no matter how paradoxical it sounds, the dream is measured precisely by the amount of money spent. For the same lunar program we spent 4 billion rubles, and our "sworn friends" - EMNIP 26 billion dollars.
In addition, one should not forget that the end of the 60s - the beginning of the 70s is almost the peak of the Cold War, and our main task was to achieve parity in the nuclear missile field. So the gigantic sums "for space" could hardly be allocated.

Quote: Ilya-spb

I will try to answer where we turned "wrong".
3) Our space industry began to boil down to the role of a cabman. With which other cab drivers compete, like Ilona Mask.

Alas, this is the situation. The 90s and the collapse of the country led to the fact that we could not "pull" such a project as Mir-2 (in fact, the Mir-2 project and the American station Freedom formed the basis of the ISS). Therefore, we operate the ISS together with other countries. Plus, the cards were so "laid down" that the Americans stopped operating their shuttles, and the only country that had the ability to launch even disposable, not reusable ships was Russia. But it won't last forever. The Americans have their own ships on the way and soon we will even lose the status of a "cabman". we will do everything ourselves, without additional funding sources in the form of transportation fees. True, the question will arise about the number of ships that we can independently launch, but here we do not want to be a prophet. Wait and see

Quote: AB0877

All 3 answers are wrong. To get an answer, you should read 4 volumes of "Rockets and People". Author B.E. Chertok. Everything is most fully described there. There are many other memoirs involved in comic projects.
You are not looking for 4 volumes in the network, it is only in paper. You can find only the first edition in 3 volumes, but more modest.
Good luck and happy holiday!

Write nonsense. They are on the network. At least Rutrecer.org. There are not only all 4 books of B. Chertok:
Book 1. "Rockets and People"
Book xnumx... "Fili - Podlipki - Tyuratam"
Book xnumx... "Hot days of the cold war"
Book xnumx... "Moon Race"
In addition, there is also a non-serial book - "Cosmonautics of the XXI century"

Quote: Plate

The author of the article very correctly mentioned the USA, which during the Cold War era was also on the cutting edge of space exploration (somewhere the cutting edge was sharper, somewhere near it). But conceived at that time neither we nor they achieved.

You are right, comrade! I, somewhere in the middle - late 70s, came across a forecast of the American group "RAND Corporation" about the development of astronautics. The forecast was dated by EMNIP somewhere in the middle of the 60s. Of course, I don't remember everything, but they predicted the landing on Mars (without specifying the country / countries) for 1975, on Venus - EMNIP 1978, on Yuriter satellites - the end of the 80s, on Pluto - 1996-1998, and on 2005-2010 projected going beyond the solar system. DIDN'T COME TRUE.

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Quote: Spartanez300

Happy Cosmonautics Day

Tulips of Baikonur ...
Twice I met Cosmonautics Day in Leninsk, 3-4 times - in Star. When friends and colleagues who collected stamps, envelopes, etc., were asked to bring stamps and envelopes extinguished on April XNUMXth from Star City on this date. By the opening of the mail lovers-collectors have already gathered ....

Quote: melihov

All with a holiday, served at Baikonur 1985-87. Now my troops would be called the Aerospace Forces, but at that time just a construction battalion. Although we serviced launches directly. After all, our space is peaceful. Remember the Buran project. As Moscow lecturers came to Baikonur and told us there that we were not developing or building Buran. And this is us who were already in full swing involved in the infrastructure of the project and completed the construction of the runway for landing the shuttle.
Yes, then there was the power of the unity of all of Us, and now only appearances remain. And still I believe and on our street (space) there will be a holiday!

And you too, Alexander, happy holiday !! But secrecy has always been a "sore spot" in the USSR. Western magazines have already published tables of launches, and sorted out which "Cosmos-XXX" is a photographic reconnaissance satellites, and which satellite of electronic reconnaissance, they published a photo of our "Bor" apparatus, which landed in the region of Australia-New Zealand, and we were all playing in secrecy. photographs of "Buran" in Ramenskoye, lists of main and possibly alternate landing aerodromes, and in the documentation for the "35th product" among the list of classified information were listed. - and the location of the landing airfields, and the appearance of "Buran".

[mister-red]

Quote: Old26

Each of the Chief Designers pulled a blanket over himself. Each created his own carrier

You directly demolish some. But what about the totalitarian regime, full control. How is each blanket on themselves - they immediately set it on the wall. You’re somehow more careful, you can’t do it like this - here’s a sharashka for you, and do you understand independence for sarazu?

[Old26]

Quote: Private-K

A resident of the USSR was deprived of any opportunity to receive information other than pro-condom information.

In aviation and space, it was enough to tear your ass off the couch and go to the city library. In the department of foreign literature and take magazines, for example "Interavia" or "Space Flight" (space flights). And if you lived in Moscow, then go to the State Public Library for Science and Technology and take any literature, including the Jane reference books, not to mention the simpler reference books.
Everything depended on desire. Information could be obtained. Not even talking about different "voices". you just had to want. As they say: "He who has ears, let him hear; he who has eyes, let him see"

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Ask in the West, who was the first man in space? In 80% of the cases, you will hear that John Glenn, ... says Shepard about their history, even though it was a suborbital flight, Glen made an orbital flight when we had "the first manned spacewalk"

In fact, Glenn flew after Titov. The flight was in 1962, and Leonov's exit in 1965

Quote: AB0877

So, if you insist, then look for the exact date of the performance, compare it with the schedule of Gagarin, and better give a quote of the performance with an indication of the source. Find it - I admit my wrong.

I'm afraid you won't wait for this. In general, take a look at the site http://911tm.9bb.ru/. When I first opened it, it was interesting, especially when it came to the crash of a Ukrainian plane in Iran. But then I got to the "Space" section and learned that it turns out that Gagarin had never flown anywhere. He was simply dropped by parachute in the Engels area. And in general, the first flights into space in the USSR took place not earlier than 1967, when, according to the author (administrator), Soyuz began to fly in our country, and our spacewalk took place in 1971. So the conspiracy of Private-K is a trifle compared to the conspiracy of others

Quote: Mobius

I did not know thanks !!! They tried to make us atheists for a long time and yet our Orthodox souls remained ..

That's just not in any of the transcripts of the plenums of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Plenum of February 10-15, 1964, or the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU. July 11, 1964 there is no mention of a speech by Yuri Alekseevich. Both the plenary session was devoted to agriculture, and in July the issue of changing the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was also decided. Brezhnev was replaced by Mikoyan A.I. Agenda items can be found online.
And no conspiracy thesis

[16112014nk]

Shame on the anti-people government! On Cosmonautics Day, there is silence in the media about this. Not a word about Gagarin, our hero for centuries - does not fit into consciousness at all! How is that possible?

The authorities want to make the people forget all the achievements of the Soviet Union. Will not work !
All - Happy Cosmonautics Day!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

in the media about this - silence ........... and what the media, the media is TV. and who is watching this TV ??? pralno, only my wife shows TV shows, but we remember how it was

[Edvid]

When I saw the Vostok rocket launch on TV for the first time, I felt utter despondency. Then I read an article by Felix Siegel about photon rockets. It became clear that the solar system could not be mastered in this way. The idea of ​​another way to travel in space was born in December 1976. The essence of the principle is stated here: http://www.dlinevitch.narod.ru/Fa.pdf

[mister-red]

Quote: Edvid

When I saw the Vostok rocket launch on TV for the first time, I felt utter despondency.

It would be interesting to know what year it was. The start of any rocket and now the sight is beautiful.

Quote: Edvid

Then I read an article by Felix Siegel about photonic rockets.

About photonic rockets, I still read in childhood. But then he quickly realized that in the next couple of hundred years this would not happen.

[georggy]

What a nonsense.

[Operator]

Yuri Gagarin and SCS congratulate Happy Cosmonautics Day

[Heapoiss]

I wonder who the author of this opus?
Signature put ashamed?

[xomaNN]

Viruses come and go ... And Yuri Gagarin is eternal! His bright unplayed smile meets us on Cosmonautics Day! Everyone involved in space - Happy holiday!
Ten years and I was involved in the satellite industry.

[petrol cutter]

What a twist! ...
Due to the virus and the birthday of my wife, I completely "took off", that today is the day of cosmonautics.
And not just me. My daughter began to shove photos and ask, who is this man, and what do you know about this in principle? .. A person in general is not up to date.
What, then, are they taught in mbou ?! Besides sucking money. It is interesting to know if since Ukraine, education has not formed anything in Feodosia.

[Old26]

Quote: Edvid

When I saw the Vostok rocket launch on TV for the first time, I felt utter despondency.

For others, the first time they saw the launch of a space rocket is delightful (even if on TV), and you have despondency.

Quote: Edvid

It became clear that in this way the solar system cannot be mastered.

At the very least, but mastering. While automatic machines, but in this way. But when there will be photonic rockets (if any) - nobody knows

[intuzazist]

At the same time, no one could even imagine how a state that had made several astronaut landings on the Moon could suddenly find itself in a situation in which it would not have its own engines even for ordinary manned flights.
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Which clearly indicates the unreality of those events!!!!
In general, the title does not correspond to the content of the article at all......

[EvilLion]

Yeah, but the Soviet scientists, who perfectly understood what was what, for some reason didn’t think so, and the sample of lunar soil with pebbles, which they also handed over to the USSR, did not raise any questions. But you are smarter than Soviet scientists.

And in general, Gagarin did not fly then, a statement from the same opera.

[Alexey from Perm]

when the USSR was destroyed

[EvilLion]

You can't argue with the laws of physics.

[Diviz]

If we take the option that since the times of the USSR we have created flying saucers. And the fact that Roscosmos has turned into a taxi. Then the question arises: society is not ready for a new life or degradation is on our agenda.

[Old26]

Quote: mister-red

I would even clarify that they lied very little. Inconvenient information was hidden, shortcomings were highlighted, but they were rarely allowed to invent things.

There is a very good expression. I never lie, but if the truth can get in my way, I just hide it.
In the USSR we knew how to read “between the lines.” And what was not beneficial to the state - yes, they hid such information and tried not to advertise it (hide it). But there was a way to get such information. In the political field, these are all kinds of voices that covered some events in the USSR about which propaganda was silent. In the military-technical field, if you wanted, you could find the publications you needed. You just had to want...

Quote: mister-red

I cannot recall anything that I later learned was a lie. Yes, they embellished victories in the war and achievements in the economy, but all countries do this.

Me too, basically. And without embellishment - there’s no way around it. Now they are also embellishing, but in a slightly different way. They say what will happen here in 202X (a new ship will be launched, mass production of new tanks will begin, etc.)

Quote: mister-red

By the way, John Glenn became famous for the fact that he slipped into a spacesuit on the ground. I drank some coffee, delayed the launch, could not stand it. Imagine if Gagarin did something like that. And he’s done, he peeed on the wheel of the bus, which later became a tradition. Even in the little things, the Americans lost.

On a wheel? From a tightly buttoned spacesuit?

Quote: Sardanapalus

The flight to the moon was not secret; hundreds of thousands watched the launch personally. the flight was tracked by the whole world, Apollo was accompanied, among other things, by Soviet observation stations. What more do you want? Oh, and also this "that Gagarin ejected and landed separately on a parachute. This was actually hiding until the 90s." ... Strangely, as a pioneer, I knew that Gagarin had landed by parachute. And in the 90s there were no more pioneers.

In fact, no one hid the fact that Gagarin landed by parachute. They tried to hide and did not emphasize, at least at the first stage, that he landed separately from the descent module. Moreover, the fact that he landed separately began to be widely covered precisely in the 90s. And all because, according to FAI rules, a record was considered if the start and finish took place in a ship. Therefore, perhaps at first they hid it

Quote: mister-red

Quote: Old26

Each of the Chief Designers pulled a blanket over himself. Each created his own carrier

You directly demolish some. But what about the totalitarian regime, full control. How is each blanket on themselves - they immediately set it on the wall. You’re somehow more careful, you can’t do it like this - here’s a sharashka for you, and do you understand independence for sarazu?

These are template problems But everyone actually pulled the blanket over themselves. Yangel made his R-56 for the lunar program, Chelomey his UR-700, Korolev his N-1. Glushko’s refusal to make powerful oxygen-kerosene engines led to the fact that the first stage of the N-1 was forced to place almost three dozen engines of lower thrust, which could not operate synchronously.
And by that time there had been no sharashkas for about 20 years...

[Edvid]

And that’s the truth: the self-sufficiency of outer space is now discussed only in terms of the tasks set.
So we fly (in the sense, we drive) on the same Gagarin's "seven" ..
There are no new engines based on "other" physical principles, and there will never be.
Well, we reach the moon, well, maybe Mars is flying around.
We can sit down.
And what is needed for the jump?
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