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Riddles of the coronavirus: dozens of “re-infected” cases announced in Korea

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Coronavirus and its spread continue to perplex researchers around the world, suggesting more and more puzzles. Aspects of the number of infections by region of the world, the dynamics of the spread of a pandemic, specialists in the field of mathematical statistics are trying to formulate into at least some acceptable formulas. Virusologists are investigating infection as such. But so far, neither one nor the other has been able to get an unambiguous answer to questions about either the nature of the infection or the trends of its “choice” of certain regions of the world.


An additional "charade" tosses COVID-19 also according to statistics of the recovered. Once again, data appeared that the new type of coronavirus is not particularly picky in terms of whether a person has been ill or not. Thus, in the Republic of Korea, 91 cases of infections were detected in those patients who were already released from quarantine as “cured”. They were called "probably re-ill."

If we are talking about the so-called "untreated", then this is one thing, but if COVID-19 is really capable of infecting those who have just recovered from the disease ...

At the same time, in any case, questions arise about the reliability of cure estimates, that is, to how modern medicine (even in a developed country such as South Korea) is able to unambiguously determine whether the patient is cured or the virus “lurks” for a while, being ready prove yourself at any moment?

Coronavirus demonstrates no less a mystery by the "choice" of the sites of the most active spread of infection. Take our country. In Moscow, at the moment 7822 diagnoses are confirmed, and in St. Petersburg - 408. The difference is almost twentyfold. And this despite the fact that the population of St. Petersburg is definitely not 20 times less than the population of Moscow. And to say that Muscovites at times worse observe the regime of self-isolation than residents of the Northern capital, is also not necessary.

There are many questions regarding the dependence of morbidity and mortality on the quarantine regime. So, in Sweden, where the rules of universal self-isolation were not introduced, the increase in the number of deaths is 10% per day, and, for example, in Ukraine, where the regime of self-isolation by the authorities is introduced, an increase of 22%. Or - why in the neighboring regions of Italy, regions with similar climatic, housing, ethnological, medical, infrastructural parameters, the incidence rate can differ literally hundreds of times? ..

All this indicates that it is extremely early to talk about identifying all the basic laws of this pandemic. Especially against the backdrop of another statement that scientists have "decrypted the COVID-19 gene." Which statement is this, and how many more times it is necessary to “decipher the genome” in order to defeat the coronavirus, to put it mildly, it is not entirely clear.
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  1. Voltsky
    Voltsky April 10 2020 18: 45 New
    +5
    if this is true, then this is a very incomprehensible thing; after all, according to my meager data, when a virus is defeated, antibodies are produced that should help fight it
    1. KAV
      KAV April 10 2020 18: 52 New
      -2
      And here, a completely logical reason could be its artificial origin, with the incorporation of HIV elements into it.
      I recommend you to familiarize yourself.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 10 2020 20: 55 New
        -1
        If this were true, it would be discovered in the USA and Italy. That is, where there are many patients, but medicine is at a high level.
        It seems to me that either the untreated "repeatedly" got sick, or the first time the diagnosis was wrong.
        The only option that this can be true is the mutation of the virus. And antibodies only protect against the "old" version.
        1. Mwg
          Mwg April 10 2020 21: 47 New
          +3
          And if we assume that someone puts pens to maintain the level of infection?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 10 2020 22: 05 New
            0
            Quote: MVG
            And if we assume that someone puts pens to maintain the level of infection?

            If the goal is to reduce the number of pensioners, then they definitely support
            1. Vadim02rus
              Vadim02rus April 10 2020 22: 20 New
              -1
              If the goal is to reduce the number of pensioners, then they definitely support

              "Director of a pharmaceutical company died of coronavirus in Kazakhstan"
              This pension was not needed.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 April 10 2020 22: 23 New
                +1
                Naturally, only a few are in the know.
                There are a lot of people. Most.
                Just non-humans are more active.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 10 2020 22: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Quote: MVG
              And if we assume that someone puts pens to maintain the level of infection?

              If the goal is to reduce the number of pensioners, then they definitely support

              Well, yes, here either the pension funds of the whole world have conspired, or the aliens have fussed and got into our earthly mess, which got them. request
            3. Nosgoth
              Nosgoth April 14 2020 03: 45 New
              0
              Do you think this is all the work of the Pension Fund of Russia ?! (the joke is of course stupid, but in the subject)
          2. awdrgy
            awdrgy April 10 2020 22: 44 New
            +1
            Yes, stopudovo is spreading it; people want to reduce it and in order to intimidate and control it and then some other miracle, they can sell a cure for it, but that would not completely cure it and pay money for it all their life. there they live in America or in New Zealand or Liberia. They probably took a drink in their bunkers and took a look at their plans.
            1. Vladimir
              Vladimir April 11 2020 07: 43 New
              0
              Well, justify more specifically, without "around the bush".
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy April 11 2020 09: 01 New
                0
                The question did not understand. Why justify guesses? Or a list of possible locations of the powers that be and the exact coordinates to give? Very funny. Let’s say so, the chuyka tells me and she never let me down unless she listened to her
        2. Pike
          Pike April 11 2020 07: 39 New
          +1
          And then the reasonable question arises - will vaccination help ...
        3. Vladimir
          Vladimir April 11 2020 07: 47 New
          +1
          I agree, the virus constantly mutates, then it probably depends on human genetics.
        4. riwas
          riwas April 11 2020 09: 52 New
          +1
          After analyzing 160 samples of the SARS-CoV-2 virus genome isolated from diseased people, scientists found that there are three genetic varieties of this virus. Varieties designated A and C have been identified in Europeans and Americans. Variety B virus is most common in East Asia. It is not transmitted to other regions of the Earth without mutations that turn it into derived types, which indicates a possible resistance to this type of virus outside of Asia.
          http://sci-dig.ru/medicine/genetiki-obnaruzhili-tri-raznovidnosti-virusa-sars-cov-2/
      2. Mwg
        Mwg April 10 2020 21: 46 New
        +1
        So for sure, it hurts a lot of direct and indirect signs speaks for it. As the ancients said: if you want to find out who is to blame, see who benefits from it. So, even the producing country begs one only.
        A specially trained people zaminusutsya topic again. Interestingly, are they direct or indirect foreign agents?
    2. alexmach
      alexmach April 10 2020 18: 54 New
      17
      possible explanations
      1. untreated
      2. problems with immunity transferring the virus to the chronic stage
      3. The virus was mistakenly diagnosed in the first case
      1. Baloo
        Baloo April 10 2020 19: 06 New
        +3
        Or a new mutation, a word for geneticists.
        Quote: alexmach
        possible explanations
        1. untreated
        2. problems with immunity transferring the virus to the chronic stage
        3. The virus was mistakenly diagnosed in the first case
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich April 10 2020 19: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        possible explanations
        1. untreated
        2. problems with immunity transferring the virus to the chronic stage
        3. The virus was mistakenly diagnosed in the first case

        1. viruses of this type work on the system - either he you or you him. Do not heal, in principle, means that the person touched the horses.
        2. see the first paragraph
        3. interesting version. quite possibly.
      3. knn54
        knn54 April 10 2020 20: 10 New
        +3
        A patient infected with a coronavirus is considered to have recovered completely after two tests for the virus, which showed negative results and were done in a 24-hour interval.
        Is it time to change the "training manual"?
        After all, tuberculosis, for example, is treated for several months. And here, two weeks.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka April 10 2020 21: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: knn54
          A patient infected with a coronavirus is considered to have recovered completely after two tests for the virus, which showed negative results and were done in a 24-hour interval.
          Is it time to change the "training manual"?
          After all, tuberculosis, for example, is treated for several months. And here, two weeks.

          Treat tuberculosis for years, and some for life ....
          1. 113262a
            113262a April 10 2020 22: 15 New
            +1
            Tuberculosis is a bacterial infection, not a viral one. Everything is different there. Compare with leprosy and plague.
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 10 2020 21: 35 New
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        possible explanations
        1. untreated
        2. problems with immunity transferring the virus to the chronic stage
        3. Mistakenly diagnosed with a virus In the first case

        Still, I think that items 1 and 3 disappear, otherwise the medical insurance companies and the "exposed" patients will sue any clinic and leave its owners without pants, and then send them to the bunks .... tea is not the Russian Federation, the empirialists .. ..
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 10 2020 21: 54 New
          +2
          patients will sue any clinic and leave its owners without pants, and then sent to the bunks .... tea is not the Russian Federation, empiricists ....

          Oh, I beg you. You can’t believe all the tales here.
    3. bubalik
      bubalik April 10 2020 19: 02 New
      +4
      ,,,,
      antibodies are produced on the virus,
      ,, everything is so incomprehensible request
      Chinese researchers analyzed blood samples from 175 patients discharged after treatment for a new type of coronavirus infection caused by COVID-19. It turned out that almost a third of the test subjects showed low levels of antibodies to coronavirus in their blood. In ten patients, antibodies could not be detected at all.

      Scientists also found that the level of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2 virus increased with age: in those recovered in the age group of 60-85 years, they were three times higher than in patients in the group of 15-39 years. Despite the difference in the number of antibodies, the duration and course of COVID-19 were similar in different patients. This calls into question the effectiveness of both antibody therapy and vaccination.
    4. venik
      venik April 10 2020 21: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Voletsky
      if this is true, then this is a very incomprehensible thing; after all, according to my meager data, when a virus is defeated, antibodies are produced that should help fight it

      ========
      Well, what if this infection also managed to "mutate"?
      The flu mutates. The year before last I had the flu ... And in the past - too! When asked the doctor: "What about immunity?" Got the answer: "So this is a DIFFERENT strain!"
      I am in all this - "not much rummage" ... Maybe there are SPECIALISTS (for such rubbish as viruses)?
      PS It’s for many years other trash did ..... And in this - "no boom-boom"!
    5. Vadim02rus
      Vadim02rus April 10 2020 21: 46 New
      +1
      when defeating the virus, antibodies are produced that should help fight it

      Hepatitis C virus, and there are antibodies and the virus feels great in the body of the "victim".
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    7. SSR
      SSR April 11 2020 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Voletsky
      if this is true, then this is a very incomprehensible thing

      Comrade, life is generally an incomprehensible thing.
      Hopefully read, smile at the end.
      1. Spanish woman, claimed the lives of millions, but in Russia the death rate was 0.03%.
      2. More dirt is wider than the muzzle.
      3. One "cool" blogger wrote that the coronavirus is a fake and conspiracy of governments and cited as an example India, with a small number of infected.
      To which one of the commentators remarked, - the Ganges water vodka once .......
      1. reservist
        reservist April 13 2020 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: SSR
        ... in Russia, the death rate was 0.03%.

        where are these numbers from?
  2. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 18: 58 New
    +3
    They are not sick, they have no clinical manifestations. They are virus carriers. In short - questions to those who found them to be completely healthy.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 10 2020 22: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      They are not sick they have no clinical manifestations. They are virus carriers. Shortly speaking - questions to those who found them to be completely healthy.

      Contradict yourself. How can they be recognized as virus carriers, if they have no symptoms, they feel great and do not go to doctors? Only POTENTIAL testing will help, but this is unrealistic.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 23: 25 New
        -4
        What are the contradictions here? A person after recovery and discharge from a medical institution was probably under medical supervision. Repeated tests, after some time, gave a positive reaction to the virus. Everything is about the same as with hepatitis B. A certain number of people who have undergone it remain virus carriers.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 10 2020 23: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          What are the contradictions here? A person after recovery and discharge from a medical institution was probably under medical supervision.

          And if he was not sick and did not recover, but simply carried this infection in himself? You yourself write:
          They are not sick, they have no clinical manifestations.

          Now do you deny your words? request
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 April 10 2020 19: 00 New
    +3
    If immunity is not generated !!! You can forget about the vaccine!
    Yes, and then the Swedes are generally in flight ??
    In general, it’s not clear!
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 10 2020 19: 21 New
    +9
    In Moscow, at the moment 7822 diagnoses are confirmed, and in St. Petersburg - 408. The difference is almost twentyfold. And this despite the fact that the population of St. Petersburg is definitely not 20 times less than the population of Moscow. And to say that Muscovites at times worse observe the regime of self-isolation than the residents of the Northern capital, is also not necessary.

    And what is the transit of passenger flows through both cities, it may be worth considering this point. Especially from countries in difficult epidemiological settings
    So, in Sweden, where the rules of universal self-isolation were not introduced, the increase in the number of deaths was 10% per day, and, for example, in Ukraine, where the regime of self-isolation was introduced by the authorities, an increase of 22%. Or - why in the neighboring regions of Italy, regions with similar climatic, housing, ethnological, medical, infrastructural parameters, the incidence rate can differ literally hundreds of times? ..
    And why is the disease level lower in the territory of a united Germany within the borders of the former GDR?
    1. However, dear
      However, dear April 11 2020 05: 10 New
      0
      Unlike flu, coronavirus is more contagious. If you click on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for the number of infections and time-related deaths in a logarithmic scale for different countries, you can see that these numbers enter the exponential growth after several dozen cases! this indicates a very high infectivity. Of course, this does not compare with smallpox or measles, but also very high. despite the fact that the crown does not mow people like smallpox, that there is no one to hurt then, the crown will arise in waves for probably 1-2 years, until they all meet. Mortality is affected by 2 factors. 1. strain of the virus. 2. susceptibility of people with different genetics. If you do not go to the streets (sitting in isolation), then everyone will fall ill not so quickly. Remember the most severe Chinese quarantine. in Ubea, after quarantine was introduced a month and a half later, the number of infected people rose from 500 to 80000 - it doesn’t really help! However, the Swedes and Old Man Luka, who decided to get sick without quarantine, run the risk of getting a quick flash when they have to bury in mass graves without coffins. And with quarantine it will be gradual. A strain is a slightly modified version of the same virus. It is different strains that are the reason that people get the flu more than once, and therefore the immunity to the flu is weak. If the messages from Korea are correct, and you can get infected again within a month or two, then there is nothing to rely on either vaccines or drugs. Now the most important thing. America, Europe, everyone is sick everywhere. China - just kill. Very suspicious. If the Chinese, after lifting the quarantine in Kill, DO NOT start to get sick again throughout the rest of the territory of 1350 million Chinese, while the epidemic will continue in Europe, America, Russia, then this is a terrible conclusion: China used biological weapons against the whole world! Yes, it is believed that biological weapons should kill a lot and quickly. Coronavirus is not like that. But imagine if this is not a direct military goal, but an economic one? Healthy Chinese will now supply the whole sick world! And when China’s main competitors weaken from the epidemic, other warfare will also be used. The rest of the Chinese should be ill. Here is the criterion, not intentional, but the natural occurrence of the virus. If 4-8 weeks after the removal of quarantine in Kill, the whole world will continue to hurt, but not the Chinese, there will be no new outbreaks, then this is war. Then, then, all of China is vaccinated with the virus, and the outbreak in Kill is a distraction. I myself am always skeptical of conspiracy theorists. But, behold, such thoughts come.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 11 2020 08: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: However, Dear
        Unlike flu, coronavirus is more contagious.

        Yes? And give a comparison of the degrees of "infectiousness" of CoVi19 and "Spanish flu" ...
        There are a lot of coronaviruses and not all of them are so contagious for us, just as there are a large number of flu
        1. However, dear
          However, dear April 11 2020 23: 42 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          And give a comparison of the degrees of "infectiousness" of CoVi19 and "Spanish flu" ...


          Do you have data comparing the degrees of "infectiousness" of CoViD-19 and "Spanish flu" from 1918? Mortality data, yes, are known. The Spanish flu killed 10-12% of those infected, like Covid-19 in Italy.
        2. However, dear
          However, dear April 12 2020 00: 10 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Yes? And give a comparison of the degrees of "infectiousness" of CoVi19 and "Spanish flu" ...
          There are a lot of coronaviruses and not all of them are so contagious for us, just as there are a large number of flu


          Here is what there is on this subject.
          https://www.golos-ameriki.ru/a/5367857.html
          [media = https: //www.golos-ameriki.ru/a/5367857.html]
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 11 2020 18: 36 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      In Moscow, at the moment 7822 diagnoses are confirmed, and in St. Petersburg - 408. The difference is almost twentyfold. And this despite the fact that the population of St. Petersburg is definitely not 20 times less than the population of Moscow. And to say that Muscovites at times worse observe the regime of self-isolation than the residents of the Northern capital, is also not necessary.

      And what is the transit of passenger flows through both cities, it may be worth considering this point. Especially from countries in difficult epidemiological settings
      So, in Sweden, where the rules of universal self-isolation were not introduced, the increase in the number of deaths was 10% per day, and, for example, in Ukraine, where the regime of self-isolation was introduced by the authorities, an increase of 22%. Or - why in the neighboring regions of Italy, regions with similar climatic, housing, ethnological, medical, infrastructural parameters, the incidence rate can differ literally hundreds of times? ..
      And why is the disease level lower in the territory of a united Germany within the borders of the former GDR?

      Just, apparently, the former citizens of the GDR want to live to be disconnected from the Federal Republic of Germany drinks
  5. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 10 2020 19: 21 New
    15
    In Moscow, at the moment 7822 diagnoses are confirmed, and in St. Petersburg - 408. The difference is almost twentyfold. And despite the fact that the population of St. Petersburg is definitely not 20 times less than the population of Moscow

    It’s strange for me to hear that for someone this is a mystery.
    For any sane person, it is obvious that Msk is the largest hub where people from all over the world flock, then part of it flies to the regions, but still more, travels through Moscow to the train station and further home, passing bacilli into the metro along the way.
    Then again, Msk and Msk region - this is essentially one big conglomerate, and this is 12,5 ml + 7,5 = 20 ml St. Petersburg just 5,3
    Further, Msk is the capital and most of the middle and higher class Russians are concentrated in it, allowing itself to fly abroad regularly.
    So the question of exactly who and how much infected the infections in Moscow remains open, I agree with Sobyanin on this, who said that viruses are delivered in suitcases to Moscow.
    My words are not in reproach to someone from the regions, this is simply a statement of the fact that a lot of visitors and transit passengers are concentrated in Moscow.
    1. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert April 10 2020 20: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Bshkaus
      Further, Msk is the capital and most of the middle and higher class Russians are concentrated in it, allowing itself to fly abroad regularly.

      Do you offer such a way out?
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 10 2020 22: 37 New
        +3
        Do you offer such a way out?

        As they say, it’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off.
        You can discuss as much as you like about whether covid-19 is more dangerous than ordinary flu or not, but the fact is that 5-10% of infected people of age and chronicles are potential suicide bombers, and they would have quietly died, no: pneumonia, mechanical ventilation, hospital overload and morgues, and as a bonus, infecting others.
        The Chinese introduced very stringent measures up to the death penalty for those who hide the disease and the overlap of Wuhan - it was a overlap in the truest sense of the word, and so much so that the Berlin Wall is resting. As a result, 83 thousand patients and they are already quitting quarantine.
        In our country, there are really clowns: sometimes they run from the ambulance around the yard, sometimes they drive around in cars, "on business".
        Naturally, draconian measures cannot be taken to all regions of the Russian Federation, but in Moscow the epidemic is actually growing and it is clear that tomorrow the number of newly discovered miraculously will not fall from 1200 to zero in a day.
        In addition, there is no understanding on the part of the regions where everything is relatively calm, and the picture repeats itself: at first, the Italians shed crocodile tears, they say, "wow, this was not counted on, they thought that this did not concern us, but now it’s hard", then the Americans pulled up , now the Muscovites are slowly beginning to reach. You (regions) do not repeat the mistake for the 101st time.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 13 2020 17: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Bshkaus
          ... in Moscow, the epidemic is really growing and it is clear that tomorrow the number of newly discovered miraculously will not fall from 1200 to zero in a day.

          figures for the last day (Sunday to Monday)
          Moscow +1355
          in the region +495
          total +1850
          1. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus April 13 2020 19: 45 New
            +1
            figures for the last day

            Here I am about the same thing (((I wrote on April 10, you are already 13 on completely different numbers, and far from for the better (
            1. reservist
              reservist April 14 2020 12: 00 New
              0
              in terms of the growth rate of the number of infected per day, we overtake the same Germans four times :(
              but with all sorts of Korea and Singapore, they didn’t even stand near ...
    2. Maks1995
      Maks1995 April 10 2020 20: 56 New
      +6
      Absolutely right. Far East immediately blocked quarantine and nishtyak! (Or visibility, according to recent reports)

      But VIPs, returning from Europe, were brought to Moscow. Vipov Nizzy in quarantine. No way and that's it.
      And from Moscow went for a walk around the country ....
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 10 2020 22: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Bshkaus
      For any sane person, it is obvious that Moscow time is the largest hub

      Yes, you speak Russian - "Moscow is a courtyard of all Russia."
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 11 2020 09: 05 New
        0
        Yes, you speak Russian - "Moscow is a courtyard of all Russia."

        No, I can't do that, it's not beautiful and can make people angry. They are already looking askance at the Chinese, making it clear that if they continue to eat all kinds of rubbish, then the next pandemic will be burned out in China by nuclear explosions, that would be for sure. The poor Chinese have even officially banned eating dogs against this background, eliminating them from "farm livestock".
        We still did not have enough persecution against each other to arrange "oh, you damned Muscovite, you brought the infection to us."
  6. Vadim02rus
    Vadim02rus April 10 2020 19: 21 New
    +1
    "" It has been proven that Mefloquine completely blocked the development of the cytopathic effect of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the causative agent of COVID-19) in a cell culture at a concentration of 2 μg / L. This concentration in blood plasma is achieved after taking the drug in therapeutic doses allowed for use in humans, ”said Veronika Skvortsova, head of the FMBA of Russia.

    “After a single dose of Mefloquine at a dose of 750 mg / day (3 tablets of 250 mg), the maximum concentration in blood plasma during the first day reaches 1,51 μg / l. Continuing to take "Mefloquine" 500 mg (2 tablets of 250 mg), the concentration in the blood plasma increases and already on the second or third day reaches 2,7-3,8 μg / l, ensuring the elimination of the virus. Further course administration of the drug at a dose of 250 mg (1 tablet per day) allows you to maintain the required concentration throughout the course of therapy (7 days) and for several days after its end. "
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich April 10 2020 19: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim02rus
      "After a single dose of" Mefloquine "at a dose of 750 mg / day

      Unfortunately, coronavirus is not exactly malaria.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 11 2020 18: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        Meflokhin

        Perhaps this, so to speak, is a side effect of Mefloquine. But if it really helps, why not?
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy April 10 2020 22: 54 New
      0
      Well, it’s current until complications have gone. Well, you still need to know that you’ve become infected.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 10 2020 22: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim02rus
      "" It has been proven that Mefloquine completely blocked the development of the cytopathic action of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the causative agent of COVID-19)

      Such advertising, as well as those who want to improve their well-being on this, are now a dime a dozen in the internet. I wonder why all sorts of "Malakhovs" haven’t come out with urine therapy. Something Malysheva is also silent. But it's not over yet.
      1. Vadim02rus
        Vadim02rus April 11 2020 08: 58 New
        +1
        Such advertising, as well as those who want to improve their well-being on this, are now a dime a dozen in the internet. I wonder why all sorts of "Malakhovs" haven’t come out with urine therapy. Something Malysheva is also silent. But it's not over yet.

        "The study of the clinical effects of the drug is carried out within the framework of a comparative study begun in three centers of the FMBA of Russia - the State Scientific Center of the Federal Medical and Biological Center named after A.I.Burnazyan of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency of Russia, the Federal Research Center of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency of Russia, and the Federal Research Center of VMT FMBA of Russia.
    4. riwas
      riwas April 11 2020 06: 28 New
      +1
      With “mefloquine” is not so simple.
      Catherine Selej-Radtke, a professor of chemistry and biochemistry at the University of Maryland (USA), referring to a number of medical studies, said that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine (mefloquine belongs to the same group, but it has more side effects) does not help the immune system resist the new type of coronavirus. In particular, she noted the work of the French virologist Jean-Michel Molin, which disproves the presence of a positive effect of the drug for patients with COVID-19.
      https://www.popmech.ru/science/news-564844-preparat-ot-koronavirusa-okazalsya-neeffektiven/
      Moreover, the combination of metformin (the main drug for the treatment of type XNUMX diabetes in Russia) with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine is toxic and can lead to death.
      https://ria.ru/20200407/1569693041.html
      1. sen
        sen April 11 2020 06: 59 New
        +1
        And in general, now in the media what kind of drugs are not offered against coronavirus. This is neovir and the antiparasitic drug ivermectin
        https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/protivoparazitarnoe-sredstvo
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  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 10 2020 19: 47 New
    0
    The further, the more mysteries? And what if under the designation COVID 19 there is not one, but several viruses, or, so to speak, different "modifications" of it? Which are "sharpened" for certain biological and biophysical factors, and characteristics of this or that ethnic group? That is, pure genetic weapons? So to speak, an attempt to implement the rule of the "golden billion"! Only, the viruses "behaved" not at all the way their creators wanted! !!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2020 20: 26 New
      -2
      Nobody created them on purpose - he came to humans from wild animals through an intermediate link of possibly domestic cats.
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy April 10 2020 22: 59 New
      0
      Yes, they didn’t behave just as they wanted, everything is according to plan. These creatures will not risk your computer at first, they will check and double-check people in their bunkers. Maybe even from some kind of residential area to the underground where they put their experiments 100 meters in a straight line (there people sleep and there horror and the conveyor of death) Inhumans in general
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich April 11 2020 08: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And what if under the designation COVID 19 there is not one, but several viruses, or, so to speak, different "modifications" of it? Which are "sharpened" for certain biological and biophysical factors, and characteristics of this or that ethnic group? That is, pure genetic weapons? So to speak, an attempt to implement the rule of the "golden billion"!

      only a completely stupid representative "behind the scenes" would rely on a virus. viruses mutate rapidly and are unpredictable. where is the logic to release a disease from which it is probably not protected?
  9. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 10 2020 19: 51 New
    +3
    everything is fine, we are a big virus (human) for nature, and antibody viruses (sad - yes, prove the opposite (live 100 or more years) and laugh near me in the cemetery)
  10. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 10 2020 19: 56 New
    +9
    I'm shy to ask. there are friends on the site who have discovered a coronavirus .. if so. then share how to recognize it by external signs.
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 10 2020 20: 01 New
    +2
    Yes, such infections - the sea. He recalled the same ornithosis - persistent immunity does not develop, a person can get sick - how many times they’re out of luck
  12. Operator
    Operator April 10 2020 20: 05 New
    +5
    The riddles of the coronavirus are easy to solve - the accuracy of most Asian tests is 50/50, plus government agencies from different countries like to play with the statistics of the deceased regarding coronavirus or related chronic diseases.
  13. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 10 2020 20: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: Cowbra
    Yes, such infections - the sea. He recalled the same ornithosis - persistent immunity does not develop, a person can get sick - how many times they’re out of luck

    that far to go - tuberculosis. Who can quickly disassemble it, we all know the last stage. Hepatitis is also a popular sore ... (a lot depends on the degree and you won’t recognize it right away!)
    https://www.rosminzdrav.ru/news/2020/03/24/13577-rossiya-demonstriruet-odin-iz-samyh-znachitelnyh-tempov-snizheniya-zabolevaemosti-i-smertnosti-ot-tuberkuleza-v-mire
    quote: "In recent years, the Russian Federation has demonstrated one of the most impressive rates of decline in the incidence and mortality of tuberculosis in the world, which is a fact recognized by the WHO. Thus, the number of cases from 2000 to 2019 decreased by more than 2 times (from 133 people in 229 to 2000 people in 60), and the number of deaths from tuberculosis - more than 531 times (from 2019 people in 4 to 29 people in 966), which is the result of the state's priority attitude to the problem of tuberculosis. "
    this did not sound anywhere, and the coronovirus immediately ...
  14. Dikson
    Dikson April 10 2020 20: 48 New
    +2
    Influenza and the common cold, and even pneumonia, can be easily hurt several times a year .. ((If the infection method is typical SARS, then welcome to the new reality ... And, as cautious people assumed, no self-isolation will save you .. you somehow get sick with this rubbish .. a lot of people write about similar symptoms of an incomprehensible cold that overtook them at the end of last year .. And among my friends there are some .. So ... forget about masks and other personal protective equipment if you live in a large city or apartment building .. - sooner or later you pick up the virus from money, from cigarettes, from the railing in the porch, from food packages, from your shoes, after all .. It is impossible to create sterile conditions. Yes and there is no need .. - the human body itself must learn to fight this infection .. How many lives for this will require nature - is unknown ...
    1. edasko
      edasko April 10 2020 22: 50 New
      +2
      Not the fact that everyone is ill. Tolley SARS, or MERS, too, squinted the Chinese a little, and then disappeared. And they can’t find him anymore. And even if it is destined to get sick, then you have to wait until it mutates and weakens, like any virus. Or do you want to take a chance and plant yourself a liver, heart and lungs? Or to kill relatives and neighbors of the elderly? We must hide from him to the last.
  15. Tomich3
    Tomich3 April 10 2020 20: 49 New
    +1
    they need to get sick, that's all. The state is not your assistant here, they are sitting in bunkers.
  16. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky April 10 2020 21: 22 New
    0
    If the virus crushes the immune system, then why be surprised? Not all tricks have been revealed yet. Synthetics. Artificial Intelligence Virus. Five or more years customized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O310dApms-Y
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 10 2020 21: 45 New
      +1
      The Spanish flu virus in 1918 crushed (or rather, deceived) the immune system much
      more effective than the current, relatively weak virus.
      Tens of millions of young people died from the Spanish woman.
      Is Spaniard also with artificial intelligence? belay
      Do not post any nonsense.
      1. Alexander Sosnitsky
        Alexander Sosnitsky April 10 2020 22: 02 New
        +1
        Something you do not understand. The HIV part strangles the IS body and, after its fall, includes SARS, which kills everything. What does the Spanish have to do with it? It is simpler and due to the unpreparedness of people and medicine. And here is the logic. Or stupidly the more died, the smarter the virus? Gone are the days
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 10 2020 22: 12 New
          +2
          Who needs an artificial virus that spares young people,
          Doesn’t touch children at all, but kills only old people?
          The villains from the pension fund developed it? laughing
          All strains of this virus were taken apart "by the bones" in the laboratories
          Asia, Europe and America. And unanimously, no one found a trace
          artificial development. 100% natural, natural virus, from the family,
          known for a long time. Not considered dangerous. But the past is a small mutation.
          What scientists warned about - in open articles! - a few years ago.
          1. Alexander Sosnitsky
            Alexander Sosnitsky April 10 2020 22: 30 New
            +1
            Everything is confused with you. Firstly, according to many data, the virus kills everyone evenly with a probability of about 20 + - a couple of percent from 20 to 60 years old, those of working age. With increasing age, the percentage even fell. Pensioners are not in business at home, fresh data from New York. The "natural" virus was published in 2015-16. He received "human" keys to cells and constantly mutates, those forever. Yesterday-today it was opened, it damages the brain. I think that's not all. What more do you want? Enough. Ears stick out from everywhere.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 10 2020 22: 37 New
              +1
              Once again: the virus infects deadly old people or people with a set
              chronic diseases.
              Children and adolescents do not notice him at all, but infect their parents
              and grandparents. Parents have a moderate or severe illness, but they recover
              and grandparents die
              No one artificially creates such nonsense. Turn on your head
              And never - NEVER - get information from U-Tube laughing . hi
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy April 10 2020 23: 13 New
                0
                In! -Old people at zero parents-on tablets (they don’t have anything to do) and brain-wash the children and voila-a new world order!
              2. Alexander Sosnitsky
                Alexander Sosnitsky April 10 2020 23: 50 New
                +2
                I do not think that you are a naive person. But you are firmly convinced of something. That the USA was on the moon, the towers themselves fell, the Islamists themselves arose, the bombs themselves accumulated for destruction only many times, they hid their surname and so on. You understand everything perfectly.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh April 11 2020 00: 11 New
                  +1
                  I spent time with you sad
                  1. Alexander Sosnitsky
                    Alexander Sosnitsky April 11 2020 00: 41 New
                    +2
                    I agree with you
      2. awdrgy
        awdrgy April 10 2020 23: 10 New
        0
        And FIG knows her. Maybe then there were the first developments with an incomparably predictable result, but now they fixed everything and calculated, and maybe then they wanted it if they launched Won the plague in the cities before and smallpox and who launched it? By modern standards, this is a serious operation that requires special training and equipment. If in the Middle Ages they could say something about the 20th century. And the Indians were poisoned by sores, consider the biological war and gained experience in research which no one led and everyone kept secret.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 11 2020 19: 03 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Spanish flu virus in 1918 crushed (or rather, deceived) the immune system much
        more effective than the current, relatively weak virus.
        Tens of millions of young people died from the Spanish woman.
        Is Spaniard also with artificial intelligence? belay
        Do not post any nonsense.

        Was there a lot of antiviral drugs in pharmacies in the 18th?
    2. riwas
      riwas April 11 2020 10: 59 New
      +1
      How kills COVID-19? Doubts about what affects the human organs - the virus itself or the response of the infected immune system, prevent doctors from finding the best ways to treat patients suffering from severe coronavirus.
      Clinical evidence suggests that the immune system plays a role in making people infected with the new coronavirus weaken and die.
      https://inosmi.ru/science/20200410/247240646.html
  17. Klingon
    Klingon April 10 2020 22: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Voletsky
    if this is true, then this is a very incomprehensible thing; after all, according to my meager data, when a virus is defeated, antibodies are produced that should help fight it

    the fact that antibodies are produced does not mean that the body does not get sick. See HIV
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik April 11 2020 02: 01 New
      +3
      Herpes in almost everyone, it is impossible to kill him, when weakening the immune system he climbs out.
  18. Avior
    Avior April 10 2020 22: 22 New
    +2
    . in Sweden, where the rules of universal self-isolation were not introduced, the increase in the number of deaths was 10% per day, and, for example, in Ukraine, where the regime of self-isolation was introduced by the authorities, an increase of 22%.

    Well, the anonymous author is strong!
    Reminds a joke about an honorable second place.
    Sweden 10 million people, population density 21 people per km, 9700 sick, 870 dead.
    Ukraine - 40 million, the density of 72 people per km, 2200 sick, 70 dead.
    Well, how could the author have dodged to present such an example that the reader should think that isolation does not help?
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky April 11 2020 12: 09 New
      0
      [quoteUkraine- 40 million] [/ quote]
      Consider 25 Million or Less
      1. Avior
        Avior April 11 2020 12: 13 New
        0
        picked up from wikipedia
        there is no difference in the question raised - the example in the article is unsuccessful
  19. 2Albert
    2Albert April 10 2020 22: 25 New
    +1
    The mortality rate is largely due to the quality of intensive care, so it is incorrect to compare Sweden and Ukraine, the state of medicine is of different orders
  20. yasvet
    yasvet April 10 2020 22: 52 New
    +2
    To the quarantined topic

    Night. Quarantine. I'm sitting like an owl in sorrow.
    I take off boredom and fright with beer.
    - We all will die! - again screaming all day
    Receiver, telly, mother-in-law and iron.

    And all these are your Internet
    Taldychat beaten month about one thing,
    The planet’s media has gone crazy.
    And the wife’s mother - well, she’s been for a long time.

    My mother-in-law said: “Tomorrow we are all dead!”
    And therefore - take me to OK!
    Well, a ton of macaroni ... Salt and cereals ...
    And dying immediately is more fun!

    That's how you live like everyone - yes, not fat
    But plans for summer, vacation, Thailand.
    Suddenly, the Wuhan virus came down on people,
    What used to eat mice, or maybe pandas.

    What transgenic love story is there?
    Did the Chinese eat a live bat?
    Is a scientist in the silence of laboratories
    Reflash genomes on the sly?

    Tourists started to jump on the ball,
    Carrying the plague to various places ...
    One thing I know, this is dirty!
    And this "zhzhzhzh" on the air - not casual!

    I’m sitting on the Internet, folding mats ...
    Who is to blame, pitchfork to his blog?
    Europe? Trump? China? Illuminati?
    How did a protein mutate in a SARS cell?

    Genetics made a mistake, as sappers?
    Bankers prepare pestilence for the elderly?
    ... The whole world is a theater, and the people in it are actors.
    But who is the director in the world today?

    Who is the author of the play? It is unknown to people.
    Having bought popcorn, scoring cupboards with grub,
    Watch the performance from the screen - interesting,
    Until they say: - Vasya! Your way out!
    https://legal-alien.ru/almanakh/kogda-vdokhnovene-najdjot-na-poeta/1459-karantinnoe
  21. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 April 11 2020 00: 44 New
    -2
    Quote: MVG
    And if we assume that someone puts pens to maintain the level of infection?

    how can pens be attached to this?
  22. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 11 2020 05: 20 New
    -1
    There are many questions regarding the dependence of morbidity and mortality on the quarantine regime. So, in Sweden, where the rules of universal self-isolation were not introduced, the increase in the number of deaths is 10% per day, and, for example, in Ukraine, where the regime of self-isolation by the authorities is introduced, an increase of 22%

    The increase in Sweden per day -13%-much more than in neighboring Scandinavian countries
  23. U-58
    U-58 April 11 2020 05: 48 New
    0
    True, she is alone.
    But in life the truth is different ....
    The true state of affairs can be hidden from the general public for completely different reasons.
    You can fool for the sake of eliminating universal panic, which will grow into chaos.
    You can remain silent about certain identified points in order to have benefits and preferences.
    Well (let's imagine), for example, military biologists have reliably proved that the virus was modified and intentionally released by the Americans.
    Now they can be pressed on about oil prices, Syria, and nuclear negotiations.
    Yes, we have few points of interest! ....
    But the public does not need to know ..
  24. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 11 2020 07: 07 New
    0
    I don’t understand what kind of vaccine can save from this virus. Because the effect of any vaccine is to make a person mildly ill with this disease. But if this virus lowers the immune system's resistance, then other diseases will cling to us?
  25. Pike
    Pike April 11 2020 07: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Balu
    Or a new mutation, a word for geneticists.
    Quote: alexmach
    possible explanations
    1. untreated
    2. problems with immunity transferring the virus to the chronic stage
    3. The virus was mistakenly diagnosed in the first case

    So a couple of weeks ago they reported a patient immediately with two varieties (strains) of this coronavirus
  26. riwas
    riwas April 11 2020 08: 19 New
    +1
    China sent a group of doctors to Russia to help combat the spread of the coronavirus epidemic COVID-19, the Foreign Ministry said.
    The group was formed by the State Committee for Health of the PRC.
    Chinese doctors flew to Russia on the morning of April 11th.
    https://ria.ru/20200411/1569890533.html