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The Czech Defense Ministry responded to a request by Sergey Shoigu to hand over a monument to Marshal Konev to Russia

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In the Czech Republic, they reacted to the statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense about the transfer of the monument demolished the other day in Prague to Marshal Ivan Konev. Recall that the decision to demolish the monument was made by the head of one of the Prague municipalities. The sculpture of the marshal-liberator of Prague from the Nazis was dismantled, and the photo of the sculpture on the ground with a noose around his neck circled around social networks and the media.


Sergei Shoigu sent a letter to his Czech counterpart Lubomyr Metnar, noting the need to stop the abuse of the monument to the celebrated Marshal. Shoigu proposed transferring the monument to Ivan Konev of the Russian Federation.

The letter regrets the fact that the demolition of the monument took place on the eve of the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the Victory and that this act is actually an attempt to obliterate the operation that ultimately freed millions of Czech citizens from the Nazi yoke.

The reaction of the Czech Ministry of Defense to the letter received from Sergei Šoigu:

We will prepare an answer to it (letter). But this monument is not ours, and it is for this reason that we will not be able to transfer it to Russia. How can we convey that which is not ours. The monument is still the property of Prague-6, and we are not talking about a military burial.

For your information: Marshal Ivan Stepanovich Konev (1897-1973) - a native of the village of Lodeyno, Vologda province (today it is the Podosinovsky district of the Kirov region). In addition to a large number of Soviet awards for military merits, including brilliant operations, he had the title of Hero of Czechoslovakia. Apparently, in the area of ​​Prague-6 they decided to forget about it.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 10 2020 06: 22 New
    46
    Well, correctly noted, all these events accelerated towards the date of the victory over Nazism ... That is, "for evil" !!!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 40 New
      26
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, correctly noted, all these events accelerated towards the date of the victory over Nazism ... That is, "for evil" !!!

      Like a small dirty trickster, bit, huddled in a corner and giggles
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 10 2020 07: 04 New
        55
        Czechs will never forgive that they were forced to be independent. They were so cozy and comfortable under the Germans.
        It is worth recalling the white whales in connection with the outbreak of the Civil War against the RSFSR. Then the Czechs showed themselves as rabid Nazis - robbed, killed.
        Czechs with Slovaks did not defend their own country from the Nazis, surrendered and then joined the German army.
        The Czechs even today regret that they failed to seize the colonies and slaves * in the East *.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 07: 08 New
          23
          Quote: Vasily50
          It is worth recalling the white whales in connection with the outbreak of the Civil War against the RSFSR.

          Yes, like they grabbed a little gold
          1. knn54
            knn54 April 10 2020 07: 55 New
            22
            According to the plans of the Entente, after the collapse of Austria-Hungary, Czechoslovakia was not supposed to be on the map of Europe. But given the "exploits" in Siberia, they decided to encourage them. And thanks to the stolen gold (part of which settled in London), the Czechoslovakian crown was the hardest currency on the continental territory of Europe.
            The Slovaks revolted in 1944. Prague, after the surrender of Germany.
            And with the monument they are afraid to cheapen-antique (older than 50 years), a lot of bronze.
            I would not be surprised at all if the monument to Vlasov was melted and cast.
            They quickly forgot who helped them recover the Prague metro almost for free.
          2. major147
            major147 April 10 2020 10: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Yes, like they grabbed a little gold

            In Russia, in various cities, monuments were unveiled dedicated to Czechoslovakians who fought during the Civil War on the side of the White Army, which advocated autocracy. Not only is this a very controversial period in Russian history, so the whites have shown themselves far from the best side, eventually betraying Admiral Kolchak and stealing Russian gold.
            Nevertheless, nobody destroys or spoils these monuments in the Russian Federation. ...
            1. gas113
              gas113 April 11 2020 08: 38 New
              +2
              Here are all the monuments to the Czechs on the territory of Russia, enclose a blank fence and signs to write that there are remains / monuments to the interventionists. And for the fence let those who wish on May 9
        2. Serwid
          Serwid April 10 2020 07: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Vasily50
          It is worth recalling the white whales in connection with the outbreak of the Civil War against the RSFSR. Then the Czechs showed themselves as rabid Nazis - robbed, killed.

          Well, now this is not considered something bad. It’s not for nothing that monuments are erected in the white-shelves in Russia.
        3. hroft
          hroft April 10 2020 07: 58 New
          -26
          I would not be so categorical, the Czechoslovak corps fought quite well against the Germans, although it was formed at the end of the war
          1. begemot20091
            begemot20091 April 10 2020 18: 22 New
            +9
            What are you? but we didn’t know. Here is a curious archival document - a list of prisoners of war who surrendered to Soviet troops during the war. Recall, a prisoner of war is one who fights in uniform with weapons in his hands.
            In World War II, the whole of Europe fought against the USSR
            So, the Germans - 2 389 560, the Hungarians - 513 767, the Romanians - 187 370, the Austrians - 156 682, the Czechs and Slovaks - 69 977, the Poles - 60 280, the Italians - 48 957, the French - 23 136, the Croats - 21 822, Moldovans - 14 129, Jews - 10 173, Dutch - 4 729, Finns - 2 377, Belgians - 2 010, Luxembourgers - 1652, Danes - 457, Spaniards - 452, Gypsies - 383, Norwegians - 101, Swedes - 72.
            And these are only those who survived and were captured. Actually, significantly more Europeans fought against us. Czechs fought in the SS troops. At the end of May 1942, the Protectorate established "Supervision for the education of youth in Bohemia and Moravia." Young people aged 10-18 were accepted into the organization and brought up in the spirit of National Socialism, and developed physical education. The senior members of the "Curators" had the opportunity to join the service in the special forces of the SS, and the youngest - in the "Model Link". In the future, these structures were to become the core of the Bohemian SS.
            In February 1945, the first recruitment of Czechs took place in the SS Brisken police regiment, which became part of the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Bohemia and Moravia. It turns out that the number of captured Czechs who fought against the USSR amounted to almost 65! This despite the fact that the Czech Republic did not officially exist at all: there was a “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia” (under this name in 000 the lands remaining after the partition of Czechoslovakia were included in the Third Reich). Moreover, the Czechs, unlike the Sudeten Germans, were not called to the Wehrmacht. Logically, there is only one explanation: they impersonated themselves as “citizens of the Third Reich of German descent” and, only being in Soviet captivity, hastened to declare: “Yes, we, in fact, are Czechs ...” But there was something to be afraid of: the Czechs made a considerable contribution to the strengthening of German military power. Thus, the Skoda concern throughout the war let out the German Pz Kpfw 1939 tank (the bill went into the thousands), SUVs, gas-generating trucks, heavy tracked tractors. “Focke-Wulf-135” was produced in Prague. The Czechs Reich and in the sky assisted. The Fokke-Wulf-189 reconnaissance spotter (the same “frame” that annoyed our soldiers so much the whole war) was made at the Aero factory in Prague. Moreover, judging by the recollections of German military leaders, the Czech "rear workers" worked without interruption from the very moment of occupation. And only in March 189, due to air raids, they were forced to reduce production by 1945%.

            Read in full: https://www.km.ru/front-projects/krestovyi-pokhod-zapada-protiv-rossii/slavyanskie-geroi-i-iudy
            1. Oleg Zorin
              Oleg Zorin April 11 2020 15: 53 New
              0
              "Jews - 10 173" I can't believe my eyes! laughing
              1. sergeyezhov
                sergeyezhov April 11 2020 17: 19 New
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                Quote: Oleg Zorin
                "Jews - 10 173" I can't believe my eyes!

                As if you do not know that we are talking about Hungarian Jews, driven into the construction units of the Hungarian army, to build earthworks on the way of the Soviet army. At the same time, the families of these Jews were deported from the ghetto to Auschwitz.
        4. Terenin
          Terenin April 10 2020 09: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: Vasily50
          Czechs will never forgive that they were forced to be independent. They were so cozy and comfortable under the Germans.
          It is worth recalling the white whales in connection with the outbreak of the Civil War against the RSFSR. Then the Czechs showed themselves as rabid Nazis - robbed, killed.
          Czechs with Slovaks did not defend their own country from the Nazis, surrendered and then joined the German army.
          The Czechs even today regret that they failed to seize the colonies and slaves * in the East *.

          It is also clear to me that this action of the Czech Republic is in "the same ranks" with those punitive operations of taking civilians hostage, looting, executions ...
          And, Shoigu did the right thing, showing the true face of an important figure, like the Czech defense minister. I don’t think it will be difficult for Sobyanin to sign such a letter.
          1. major147
            major147 April 10 2020 22: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: Terenin
            I don’t think it will be difficult for Sobyanin to sign such a letter.

            Moreover, there is a wonderful square on Julius Fuchek street right in front of the Czech embassy, ​​where the monument to the Marshal will look great!
            1. Sardanapalus
              Sardanapalus April 11 2020 02: 52 New
              +3
              Having not yet read the article, this thought also came. The best place for the monument is right under the windows of the Czech embassy. good
        5. orionvitt
          orionvitt April 10 2020 10: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          The Czechs even today regret that they failed to seize the colonies and slaves * in the East *.

          It would be better if the Czechs first read the racial doctrine of the Third Reich. There are no Czechs in the list of "superior races" and close. So they were destined for the fate of the same slaves. This reminds me of statements that the Russian liberdians, that the Ukronatsiks (moreover, often of Jewish nationality what ), that they had to surrender, they would now drink Bavarian beer. The Czechs surrendered, and without resistance, so what? If it were not for the Russians, they would still be plowing at Hitler in their governorship general without any hint of some kind of "free Czech Republic".
          1. Sergey49
            Sergey49 April 11 2020 10: 56 New
            -2
            Yeah, and blacks in the USA are still slaves and plow on the Americans :)
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt April 11 2020 11: 05 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergey49
              Yeah, and blacks in the US are still slaves and plow on Americans

              And what not? What are you talking about now, do you justify Hitler? Like he brought all good? I would have sat in silence. And on the issue of blacks, too, was silent .by. As they were second-class people in the states, they remained. All the vaunted American political correctness, thoroughly ostentatious, is imposed forcefully on objective reality, has nothing to do with it. Just pink snot, for people like you.
              1. Sergey49
                Sergey49 April 11 2020 12: 30 New
                -5
                I mean, you need to think with your head, and not broadcast slogans and propaganda cliches.
                Society develops according to certain laws. The institution of slavery showed its inefficiency two millennia ago. And no matter how much humanity did not return to it, they always refused it in favor of economic coercion.
                Hitler is not eternal, his health was undermined by taking "drugs" and assassination attempts. He would have died before Stalin. Why are you sure that the Germans would not have found their own Khrushchev who canceled the concentration camp? Only a madman like Hitler could destroy the labor force.
                Personally, I do not rule out the possibility that the Czech Republic and the Baltic States could gain independence in 70 years since Hitler’s death.
                Well, the last, if the USSR really extended a helping hand to the Czech Republic and after its liberation gave it its life to live, this is one thing, but if the Czech Republic received the occupation government of the USSR instead of the German occupation, then this is completely different.
                1. serg123
                  serg123 April 11 2020 17: 42 New
                  +2
                  Remember who liberated Austria. And what, sanctions have entered and nothing. So, do not invent fables. Who is stronger, he rules. This was arranged and continues to this day.
        6. Lawrence of Arabia
          Lawrence of Arabia April 10 2020 11: 07 New
          -3
          As a person living in the Czech Republic and fluent in Czech and German (which means I can use a large number of sources without any problems), I can safely say that your statement about the influence of the Czechoslovak troops in the Wehrmacht is wrong. They would not have taken Chekhov into the army as such. Hitler did not even trust the Sudeten Germans, I consider them unreliable, so there is no need to talk about the Czechs on a regular basis in the Wehrmacht. Regarding the defense of the country in 1938. There was resistance, albeit weak. The Czechs did not dream of colonies in the east, as you put it (and even more so as a Protectorate). And lastly, the White Czechs behaved like bandits and not Nazis, they did not consider themselves a race of the chosen ones and their actions were motivated not by the desire to free up "living space", but by the desire to be enriched
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 April 10 2020 21: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
            Czechs on a regular basis in the Wehrmacht do not have to say.

            You have to .. You’re right ... they didn’t take anyone except the Germans to the Wehrmacht.
            1. Lawrence of Arabia
              Lawrence of Arabia April 11 2020 10: 14 New
              -2
              This is true about the SS, but it can hardly be called "the influence of the Czechoslovak army."
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 April 11 2020 10: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
                This is true about the SS, but it can hardly be called "the influence of the Czechoslovak army."

                As if the union and its citizens made a difference .. who destroys their cities and burns the ancients .. regular soldiers from the Wehrmacht or Natsik from the ss ..
                All one thing - enemies, they came to kill us .., we don’t understand shit varieties ..
                1. Lawrence of Arabia
                  Lawrence of Arabia April 11 2020 10: 31 New
                  -2
                  I do not in any way encroach on the burnt villages and cities. He only considered it important to note that the Czechoslovak Army did not join the Reich aria, as the Austrian army did after Anschluss, for example.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 April 11 2020 10: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
                    that the army of the Czech Republic

                    And was she after Prague became German?
                    68000 Czech prisoners .. who is this? Do you want to say in the ss they took everyone ... old, sick, children? Or did just the servicemen of the surrendered armies join the ss. Just ... it was necessary to support the views of the ss leadership .., well, and Russophobia .. out of nowhere ..
                    Generally speaking, the conversation is useless .. You will still hate us for the .68 year ... and for your deeds in the USSR. as part of the troops of the ss, modestly keep silent .. making innocent eyes ..type-and us for what ...
                    1. Lawrence of Arabia
                      Lawrence of Arabia April 11 2020 10: 51 New
                      -2
                      Please remember that part of the Czechoslovak Army fought on the side of the USSR. Further, it should be noted that for 68. except that liberals and generally uneducated Russians condemn. So here, the attitude towards Russians is normal. The decision to demolish the monument was made by the municipal authorities, not even in Prague, but in the whole district. Who released here is still remembered. You can’t believe everything that is said in RuNet and on TV.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 April 11 2020 11: 05 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
                        that part of the Czechoslovak Army fought on the side of the USSR

                        No .. there was no army of the Czechoslovak Republic in the allied forces of the Red Army.
                        The Czech battalion was composed of former soldiers of the Czechoslovak army ..
                        And two .. They fought for their Motherland .. honestly and steadfastly .. not like the Poles (who fled in the first battle). threw themselves under the tanks with a grenade like N. equipment Yarosh, became the GSS ..
                        And for what their colleagues fought in the SS troops? On the side of the occupier ..
                      2. dvina71
                        dvina71 April 11 2020 11: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
                        here, perhaps, liberals and generally uneducated Russians condemn.

                        Yes, yes .. tell me ..
                    2. Oleg Zorin
                      Oleg Zorin April 11 2020 15: 57 New
                      0
                      yes there are 68 Czechs. Here are the 000 Jews who fought for Hitler - this ... This is a historical discovery laughing
                      1. Basil50
                        Basil50 April 11 2020 19: 19 New
                        0
                        zorin
                        Apparently for you it will become a * discovery * that in May 1945, in the city of Berlin, the Soviet military commandant's office registered about a HUNDRED THOUSAND Jews. By August, there were more Jews, those Jews who returned from the evacuation returned
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 10 2020 23: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
            As a person living in the Czech Republic,

            ... on your avatar, by any chance, is it Lawrence "Arabian"?
            ... then it’s clear that you
            fluent in Czech and German (which means I can use a large number of sources without problems)

            ours also live there, don't worry ..... "hello" British CAC ....
            1. Lawrence of Arabia
              Lawrence of Arabia April 11 2020 10: 18 New
              -1
              Like a joke - well. But avatars and nicknames in general do not have anything in common with the real person. So, as a person with an interest in history, it’s quite possible to have a rather interesting personality of the First World War as an avatar
          3. gas113
            gas113 April 11 2020 08: 43 New
            +1
            Lawrence go to the desert there is a place for you
      2. venik
        venik April 10 2020 19: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Like a small dirty trickster, bit, huddled in a corner and giggles

        ========
        What can I say? "Brothers Slavs" ..... I hope they WILL BE REFUNDABLE! "By its MERIT" !!!! angry
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 10 2020 06: 52 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, correctly noted, all these events accelerated towards the date of the victory over Nazism ... That is, "for evil" !!!

      Yes, this has long been beyond doubt, look at the dates of the introduction of the same sanctions, a lot of them fall on dates that are significant for us.
      The following topic is immediately highlighted once again ... The Ministry of Defense of the Czech Republic refers to the fact that the monument does not belong to it. It seems that everything is correct and fair, but ... But, and what actions, at least in the form of a letter to the administration of this district of Prague, with a request either to transfer this monument to them or have they already done it directly to the RF Ministry of Defense? This is from the series "Arguments and Facts"
      And so, is it any wonder that the descendants of those who regularly served the Nazis, providing them with high-quality weapons and food throughout the war, and at the end of it quickly flew to the victors, depicting the "uprising", now act in this way
      1. oracul
        oracul April 10 2020 07: 52 New
        +1
        Agree except for the word "fair". It doesn't smell like it.
      2. venik
        venik April 10 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, this has long been beyond doubt, look at the dates of the introduction of the same sanctions, a lot of them fall on dates that are significant for us.

        ========
        Yes, Sergey! Alas, this has long been UNCONNECTED! request
    3. Professor
      Professor April 10 2020 06: 55 New
      -44
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, correctly noted, all these events accelerated towards the date of the victory over Nazism ... That is, "for evil" !!!

      Really correct. What does MO have to municipal ownership? Shoigu does not understand this.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 10 New
        +1
        We will prepare an answer to it (letter). But this monument is not ours, and it is for this reason that we will not be able to transfer it to Russia. How can we convey that which is not ours. The monument is still the property of Prague-6, and we are not talking about a military burial.


        The response of the military department of the Czech Republic to the request of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is practically a copy of the response to a previously filed request from the Russian Foreign Ministry:

        The Czech Foreign Ministry refused to hand over to Russia a monument demolished in Prague to Marshal of the Soviet Union Ivan Konev.

        According to the agency, it cannot be transferred to the Russian side due to the fact that it does not belong to the ministry, but is the property of the city.


        https://www.kp.ru/online/news/3830302/

        And in fact it is a boorish and Jesuit hint that the Russian Federation will have to negotiate with the subject of the municipal authority of Prague to return the monument ...
        1. Professor
          Professor April 10 2020 07: 15 New
          -26
          Quote: Insurgent
          And in fact it is a boorish and Jesuit hint that the Russian Federation will have to negotiate with the subject of the municipal authority of Prague to return the monument ...

          1. There can be no question of any "return".
          2. The property rights of the bourgeoisie are respected. It is necessary to negotiate with the owner, no matter how "small" he is. By the way, when necessary, "RF" negotiates with even the most creepy owner. There are examples of this.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 20 New
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            It is necessary to negotiate with the owner, no matter how "small" he is. By the way, when necessary, "RF" negotiates with even the most creepy owner. There are examples of this.

            And the Earth,Professorshe's round ...
            And in matters of abuse of monuments to the heroes of the liberators, the Czechs would need to be careful. But they, in their frenzy, did not understand this ....
            1. Professor
              Professor April 10 2020 07: 29 New
              -37
              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: Professor
              It is necessary to negotiate with the owner, no matter how "small" he is. By the way, when necessary, "RF" negotiates with even the most creepy owner. There are examples of this.

              And the Earth,Professorshe's round ...
              And in matters of abuse of monuments to the heroes of the liberators, the Czechs would need to be careful. But they, in their frenzy, did not understand this ....

              But is it about this?
              1. Shoigu, as always, got into his own business and appealed to those who did not make a decision in this case. In the Czech Republic, the Minister of Defense cannot break the law.
              2. The monument is the property of the city authorities and they have the right to do with it what they might think.
              3. Demolition of monuments takes place not only in the Czech Republic. This is a local matter. Who demolished the monument to Zhukov at the Kremlin, and most importantly why?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 37 New
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                This is a local matter. Who demolished the monument to Zhukov at the Kremlin, and most importantly why?

                No, well you are real, alternatively gifted ... No words, just expressions.

                Here it is MONUMENT IS COST nobody took it down. Although not everyone is happy with the new version (this is not what this is about now), but they dismantled it, to replace it ...

                1. Professor
                  Professor April 10 2020 07: 41 New
                  -26
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  No, well you are real, alternatively gifted ... No words, just expressions.

                  I see that there are no words. My questions were left unanswered.
              2. oracul
                oracul April 10 2020 07: 59 New
                11
                It remains to clarify which sciences professor you are. The monument to Zhukov stands still, however, there is a difference, but no demolition. And this is the business of the authorities, as you wrote. And where did you get the idea that "Shoigu, as always, got into his own business"? On the contrary, he tried to resolve the issue with a colleague and rightly so.
              3. apro
                apro April 10 2020 08: 18 New
                +7
                The Minister of Defense appealed to the family department. For assistance. But the Czechs decided to be impolite. Avoiding to resolve this issue. It is clear that buying a monument is not a problem. It is a question of money. But it is not a problem ....
              4. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 01 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                1. Shoigu, as always, got into his own business and appealed to those who did not make a decision in this case.

                Do not distort. He asked for assistance.
              5. Den717
                Den717 April 10 2020 09: 14 New
                13
                Quote: Professor
                2. The monument is the property of the city authorities and they have the right to do with it what they might think.

                In principle, this initiative of our Defense Ministry is not very clear. A burst of activity for the anniversary? The Ministry of Defense in the Czech Republic does not enjoy the same authority as Shoigu in Russia. Therefore, it was not worth waiting for any actions from him (the Czech) initially. Therefore, turning to him was doomed to failure even at the level of thought. The most optimal solution to this issue was to find "your" entrepreneur in the Czech Republic, agree with him so that he would buy the monument from the final owner, and then buy it out with a profit for the agent. Yes, big political PR will not work, but the BUSINESS will be done. We cannot demand the transfer of the monument as a product, because it was made by the Czechs and they also installed it at home. The marshal was buried here in Moscow, and not under the monument, and therefore the status of the monument is somewhat lower than that of the burial place. Thus, all manipulations with the monument are nothing more than an internal struggle between different political layers within the Czech Republic. Yes, we are hurt by the unfair interpretation of historical facts by the Czech political community. But in this struggle of memory, the Czechs are unfortunately not the first, and not the last. Therefore, to all political shape-shifters, an approach is needed that they understand, namely, financial and economic. And most importantly, when we raise the hype about “we freed you, put people down, and you betrayed us,” seeing how painfully we react to this, then our opponents have an even greater temptation to freeze something like that. We have to work differently. The Poles, for example, play a queer thing, and then ask for a private visit near Smolensk. No problems. Expose them a calculation for a visit by the delegation so that their Ministry of Finance tense up. And as for Katyn (the Polish part), and at all to support at the expense of tickets sold to the Poles. Another thing is that it is high time, by all means and methods of mass media in their languages, to bring to the world Internet detailed and complete information about the participation of Poles, Czechs, and other democrats in World War II. And asking questions to nowhere and "nothing" is not only useless, but also harmful, because it shows the legal ignorance of our MO.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox April 10 2020 10: 25 New
                  -6
                  In fact, the State Duma really had to deal with this matter, bearing in mind the nostalgic pro-fascist sentiments in the Czech Republic, taking into account the events of 1968, to which not only our Defense Ministry was related, but the Warsaw Treaty leadership and tanks went there not only FGP, but also German (as Germany and the GDR!)
                  1. Den717
                    Den717 April 10 2020 11: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: hydrox
                    In fact, the State Duma really had to deal with this matter

                    The state shouldn't have shone there at all. Now, against the background of an interstate scandal, you can forget about this monument. He will be "golden" with any movement. In any case, until this story is overgrown with moss.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox April 10 2020 18: 47 New
                      0
                      It is true, it will not grow ... our attitude towards the Czechs as Nazi lackeys and permanent traitors. After all, they differ only in unarmed good nature from the Poles, some such domestic hyenas (in contrast to the definition of Sir Churchill)
                      1. Den717
                        Den717 April 10 2020 19: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: hydrox
                        our attitude to the Czechs as Nazi lackeys and permanent traitors.

                        In fact, they betray OWN. And when the people of the European were ours? Those 40 years that we held them by the throat did not count. Even then they were not ours. As long as we consider such "ours", we create opportunities for betrayal or "backstabs." It is high time to understand that the European is disposed towards us only when and while we firmly hold their "Faberge" in our hands. At any other time, he considers us an enemy, or at least a creature not worthy of equal relations. Czechs, Slovaks and Poles supplied volunteers to the Wehrmacht in fair numbers. And only then did they remember about the Slavic unity, when we began to abundantly fertilize our own and neighboring lands with them and came to their territory.
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox April 10 2020 20: 15 New
                        0
                        It’s you who are slightly mistaken about YOURSELF: a traitor is a legal concept: it is an entity that violates an alliance agreement (on a commonwealth, Military Pact, etc. of the Agreement on joint actions to counter a common enemy).
                        But you are right - we will fertilize and fertilize!
                      3. Den717
                        Den717 April 10 2020 21: 39 New
                        +1
                        Quote: hydrox
                        it is an entity violating an alliance agreement

                        And with the Czechs, what is the current agreement signed today? Here .... We do not have agreements with them on allied actions. Therefore, today they are simple enemies, openly acting to our detriment. What should we expect from them? Honor and respect? Since the 90s, we had to prepare for actions of this kind. And our MO sends them some letters with requests. If that letter would remind the Czechs about the cessation of the economic activity of any legal entity in Russia in the presence of Czech assets in the authorized capital, there would still be some sense. And so, obviously a failed event. Honestly, I was surprised that Shoigu was seduced by this idea.
                        Quote: hydrox
                        fertilize and fertilize WE WILL!

                        Fertilizable, but it will be a very extreme measure. So extreme that hardly anyone will be able to determine its effectiveness.
                      4. hydrox
                        hydrox April 11 2020 06: 59 New
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                        Not at all extreme :: 5 kT on the General Staff of the Czech army is just a sketch-warning (as part of a counter-preemptive strike) of what the Skoda concern expects, supplying weapons to our conventional enemies - the NATO bloc, distinguished itself during the years of the Second World War as the largest a supplier of weapons for the Wehrmacht, working of good will and without the use of measures of violence and coercion (not to be confused with the USSR, where the children became to the machine tools of their own free will!)
                        With such power, even the glass transition of the surface does not occur, but enlightenment occurs in the militarized brains of the country's leadership ...
                      5. Den717
                        Den717 April 11 2020 07: 36 New
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                        Quote: hydrox
                        Not extreme at all :: 5 kT on the General Staff of the Czech army

                        5 kT, to the center of Europe? And this measure is not extreme? Are you training for KVN? laughing
                      6. hydrox
                        hydrox April 11 2020 12: 58 New
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                        No, I warn those idiots who still have not bothered to familiarize themselves with the Russian Defense Doctrine :: so you even have nothing to do at the KVN - except to shake your hat with bells ... lol
                      7. Den717
                        Den717 April 11 2020 13: 06 New
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                        Quote: hydrox
                        I warn those nonsense

                        You obviously consider yourself a "dummy", proposing to unleash a nuclear conflict in Europe over a demolished monument? I think you have to go through 12 classes to bells.
                      8. hydrox
                        hydrox April 11 2020 20: 51 New
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                        Forget the term "thinking" - it's not for you, try to settle down on something simpler ...
                        And for those who are still able to think, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the Defensive Doctrine of Russia (this is also not for you! laughing
                      9. Den717
                        Den717 April 11 2020 20: 54 New
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                        Quote: hydrox
                        Forget the term "think"

                        Well, you don’t need to forget. You must not forget what you never heard or saw laughing
  2. hydrox
    hydrox April 10 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    Liberoids have fun minus ...
    Nothing, guys, KomiLag will wait for you anyway and you will bring your bribe to him with a nod, but this will not be a guarantee to stay alive for everyone else! laughing
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  • Rusticolus
    Rusticolus April 10 2020 14: 01 New
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    Do they have any documents confirming their ownership? It seems to me that it was not they who erected the monument, therefore it is not their property. It is not necessary to ask for the return of the monument, but to demand the return of property not to them. It is possible and in court. Do they respect property rights?
    1. Den717
      Den717 April 10 2020 18: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Rusticolus
      It seems to me that it was not they who erected the monument, therefore it is not their property. It is not necessary to ask for the return of the monument, but to demand the return of property not to them.

      "The monument to Marshal Konev was inaugurated in Prague 6 in the Bubenech district on the Interbrigade square, next to the Yugoslavian partisans street, on May 9, 1980 ......... Sculptors Zdenek Krybus (author of the statue) and Vratislav participated in the creation of this monument. Ruzicka (author of the monument) ... "(VIKI).
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  • dik-nsk
    dik-nsk April 10 2020 07: 23 New
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    I condemn the demolition of the monument, but you really do not understand why such an answer? Let me ask the Foreign Ministry to transfer your apartment to me? or I still have to communicate with you on your property? often such answers are born from our illiterate letters .. despite my support for the state line - the "quality" of individual officials leaves much to be desired .. I understand that the Foreign Ministry is not at the level of communicating with some mayor, but write competently - I do not demand to convey, but please organize interaction with the owner .. something like this hi
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 29 New
      -9
      Quote: dik-nsk
      I condemn the demolition of the monument, but you really do not understand why such an answer? Let me ask the Foreign Ministry to transfer your apartment to me as a property? or am I supposed to communicate with you on your property?


      Do you have logic and cause and effect relationships? Apparently not very No. .

      Both the Czech Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Czech Republic, if they really valued good neighborly relations with the Russian Federation, could turn to the Prague city government with a request to hand over a monument to Russia so as not to escalate the negative.

      Not done ... Not condescended ... SORRY THEM.
      1. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk April 10 2020 07: 32 New
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        apparently you don’t have it at all, since you don’t understand basic things .. and the transition to personalities, if you disagree with your opinion, also indicates a lack of education
      2. Avior
        Avior April 10 2020 08: 14 New
        -1
        . cherished good neighborly relations

        Sorry, without touching the essence of the conversation, I draw your attention to the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic - not neighbors
        hi
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 10 2020 08: 18 New
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          Quote: Avior
          Sorry, without touching the essence of the conversation, I draw your attention to the Russian Federation and the Czech Republic - not neighbors

          NEIGHBORS yes

          We are all neighbors on one Earth, on one continent.

          Do you call a neighbor on the site, porch, house - a neighbor?
      3. Den717
        Den717 April 10 2020 18: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Both the Czech Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Czech Republic, if they really valued good neighborly relations with the Russian Federation, could turn to the Prague city government with a request to hand over a monument to Russia so as not to escalate the negative.
        They didn’t ... They didn’t condescend ... SORRY THEM.

        I would like to remind you that the Chechen Defense Ministry is part of the NATO management structure, our potential enemy. What kind of fear should they "condescend"? Poland even plowed the graves, did we do something practical with them? We only helmet notes of protest and show all enemies our sore spot. And we are still waiting for no one to hit him? What naive? !!! Borders on criminal simplicity. That would close the joint venture with Skoda and stop letting into the Tatra country and other products of the Chechen Republic, as well as Poland, maybe they would change something in this matter ... In the meantime, we will not "answer" them to their painful place, there is no need to wait for changes for the better.
    2. Professor
      Professor April 10 2020 07: 43 New
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      Quote: dik-nsk
      I understand that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not at the level to communicate with some mayor, but write correctly - I don’t need to pass it on, but I ask you to organize an interaction with the owner .. somehow

      When it really is necessary, the Foreign Ministry negotiates even "with the bald devil." And here it was only necessary to redeem the monument through the embassy and that's it. request
  • eklmn
    eklmn April 11 2020 00: 20 New
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    According to the law of the genre, “asking to transmit” is impossible. Ask to buy - you can.
  • Tusv
    Tusv April 10 2020 07: 51 New
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    Quote: Professor
    Really correct. What does MO have to municipal ownership? Shoigu does not understand this.

    Here, you see, the content is not at all polite. Would write. We submitted your request to the municipality. Or. We will assist in negotiations with the municipality. And that’s all. They’d just kick them, but here they’re openly rude
    1. Professor
      Professor April 10 2020 07: 54 New
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      Quote: Tusv
      Quote: Professor
      Really correct. What does MO have to municipal ownership? Shoigu does not understand this.

      Here, you see, the content is not at all polite. Would write. We submitted your request to the municipality. Or. We will assist in negotiations with the municipality. And that’s all. They’d just kick them, but here they’re openly rude

      "Well, you give a pancake." Why on earth should Czechs play this legal idiocy?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Tusv
      here frankly naughty

      yes

      Peremptorily ...
  • svp67
    svp67 April 10 2020 07: 55 New
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    Quote: Professor
    Shoigu does not understand this.

    It seems you don’t understand what he understands ... every single day decides issues of interaction with various state and administrative structures. He turned to the one to whom he could turn in this case, to his colleague. That would help to resolve this issue.
    One thing I can say is that just recently, the city council of Yekaterinburg "just" "wrapped up" the appeal of the Embassy of the Czech Republic about the installation of a memorial plaque in honor of Czech legionnaires on one of the buildings of the city, "what is hello, this is the answer" ...
    1. venik
      venik April 10 2020 19: 23 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      One thing I can say is that just recently, the city council of Yekaterinburg "also" "wrapped up" the appeal of the Embassy of the Czech Republic on the installation of a memorial plaque in honor of Czech legionnaires on one of the buildings of the city

      =======
      Or maybe because they ("Czech legionaries"), "have done business" there! "Checked in" SPECIFICLY! In the Urals, they are still remembered to this day (or rather, they are remembered with "good Russian words"!) ..
  • gridasov
    gridasov April 10 2020 10: 17 New
    +1
    What a property. This is a memory and a sign of veneration and respect for people who fought and defeated freaks. The Czechs, however, are already unable to understand this and cannot resolve the issue without realizing that the attitude of the authorities representing one nation towards another is at stake. But everything will never be so. I would act harder on the part of Russia towards such manifestations of disrespect for Our Values.
  • Victorio
    Victorio April 10 2020 19: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    What does MO have to municipal ownership? Shoigu does not understand this.

    ==
    (frank rudeness. punch the bottom, professor
  • venik
    venik April 10 2020 19: 20 New
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    Quote: Professor
    Really correct. What does MO have to municipal ownership? Shoigu does not understand this.

    =========
    Alas! But why it seems to methat if a monument to the Victims of the Holocaust was demolished (referring to the same reasons), would you respond REALLY ELSE ??? request
  • Lekz
    Lekz April 10 2020 23: 05 New
    +1
    Perhaps Šoigu suggested that the Czech Defense Ministry could acquire property that was not needed for municipalities and transfer it. Schoigu wrote in a letter that all Czech costs would be reimbursed. But seeing the municipalities will die, but they will not give the monument for any money, or the MO is not very happy with them and I want to get out of the trend. I have it, they will reward everyone.
  • Finches
    Finches April 10 2020 07: 38 New
    +3
    Victims of the Reformation! On the one hand, the prerequisites for the revival of Slavic identity and culture have developed, on the other hand, interweaving with Western Christianity has dealt an irreparable blow called Protestantism of the brain! So they live ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 10 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      Prerequisites are an ideological superstructure: they can be expanded, they can be removed ...
      But pro-fascist sentiment in Czech society is the attitude of the serf to the master, who the Germans have been all their previous lives. After all, the Czech Republic NEVER had real sovereignty and independence (except for the operetta acts of the Middle Ages (as, for example,
      pre-Soviet Ukraine)) ...
  • prior
    prior April 10 2020 08: 32 New
    +3
    In Prague, on the site of the demolished monument to Marshal Konev, there should be a funnel from a nuclear bomb, as a medicine for the Czechs and not only them for amnesia.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 10 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well, correctly noted, all these events accelerated towards the date of the victory over Nazism ... That is, "for evil" !!!

    What is the difference, German, Czech, Austrian, all one Germans. We took off another 800 years ago in 1212.
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 10 2020 23: 06 New
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    Come on, the Czechs lived well under the Nazis, went to work, got paid, made good weapons and tanks, what should they complain about.
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  • Zolotse
    Zolotse April 10 2020 06: 25 New
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    Cynicism of the highest brand. The Czechs were very disappointed.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 42 New
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      Quote: Zolotse
      The Czechs were very disappointed.

      First time or what?
      They worked for the Nazis throughout the war.
      And they repaired and produced military equipment
      1. figwam
        figwam April 10 2020 06: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And they repaired and produced military equipment

        They produced tanks, shells, cartridges, weapons and received a salary for this. Until the end of the war, the Czechs worked for Nazi Germany.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          Produced tanks, shells, cartridges, weapons

          I just did not write about everything that they released. The country is a factory of the Third Reich.
          And I read somewhere that not one act of sabotage was recorded
        2. Professor
          Professor April 10 2020 06: 58 New
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          Quote: figvam
          They produced tanks, shells, cartridges, weapons and received a salary for this. Until the end of the war, the Czechs worked for Nazi Germany.

          Be scared. In all occupied territories they worked for the Germans. Who do you think worked at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in 1941-1944? Czechs, Germans?
          1. apro
            apro April 10 2020 07: 03 New
            +5
            Jews too? ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 10 2020 07: 10 New
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              Quote: apro
              Jews too? ...

              Sweat
            2. Professor
              Professor April 10 2020 07: 11 New
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              Quote: apro
              Jews too? ...

              It depends on what kind of Jews. Jews in the USSR were immediately allowed to flow (from babies to old people) as in Babi Yar or Zmievskaya Balka. The Jews of Britain were held captive and even admitted to the representatives of the Red Cross. Hungarian Jews were herded into labor camps and thrown into the most dangerous jobs. For example, for mine clearance. Of course, no one went to these camps voluntarily. Yes, and money for "work" was not paid there. Another thing was in Nikolaev during the years of occupation. The local factories went voluntarily, worked for the Third Reich regularly and received a salary. The paradox is that under the decline of the USSR, these workers became "Labor Veterans" and received benefits. One "veteran" did not hesitate to tell me how they worked under the Germans.
              1. apro
                apro April 10 2020 07: 18 New
                -2
                Well, with the Soviet, it’s understandable. The liquid Bolsheviks are the main enemies of the 3rd Reich ... but simply the Jews, both in the police and in the military and production ...
              2. Avior
                Avior April 10 2020 08: 17 New
                -6
                . Local factories went voluntarily

                I would not exaggerate the degree of voluntariness. They could have shot easily as a saboteur for refusing to go to work. Could and forcibly send to Germany
              3. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 10 2020 10: 05 New
                +6
                Quote: Professor
                It depends on the Jews. Jews

                Sokolov, and then from what? But certainly not one of those whose ancestors were shot in Babi Yar or Zmievskaya Balka. These would definitely not have approved the demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev. And people like you - approve, this permeates all the messages that you post here. However, it is not surprising that in some Kapo death camps overseeing other Jews, the same were Jews. Each according to his conscience and to each his own. request
              4. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 April 10 2020 13: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Hungarian Jews were forced into labor camps and thrown into the most dangerous jobs. For example, mine clearance.

                Speaking of Hungarian Jews. Rav M. Finkel covered this topic in detail.
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 12 New
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            Quote: Professor
            Be scared. In all occupied territories they worked for the Germans. Who do you think worked at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in 1941-1944? Czechs, Germans?

            Another alternative gifted historian? fool
            1. Professor
              Professor April 10 2020 07: 19 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: Professor
              Be scared. In all occupied territories they worked for the Germans. Who do you think worked at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in 1941-1944? Czechs, Germans?

              Another alternative gifted historian? fool

              Materiel, materiel. fool
              https://topwar.ru/130000-chernomorskiy-sudostroitelnyy-zavod-gody-okkupacii-i-vosstanovlenie-posle-voyny.html
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 10 2020 07: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Materiel, materiel.

                You don’t poke me a materiel, bonded labor for the sake of survival is one thing, or shock work with overfulfillment of the plan as in Skoda ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 10 2020 07: 33 New
                  -18
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Quote: Professor
                  Materiel, materiel.

                  You don’t poke me a materiel, bonded labor for the sake of survival is one thing, or shock work with overfulfillment of the plan as in Skoda ...

                  Stop, stop, stop. You do not confuse the work of prisoners of war in the production of V-1 missiles or labor in labor camps under guard. Here we are talking about voluntary work for the Third Reich for money.
                  - "And how was it to survive? This is exactly what the" labor veteran "answered me to my naive question:" How so? "
              2. Moskovit
                Moskovit April 10 2020 08: 09 New
                +8
                And what kind of materiel is this? Himself not ashamed to send such links? How many ships for the Reich were built there? Can you compare this to 2500 hatters? Or:
                According to German sources, in 1944, the Czech Republic monthly delivered to Germany about 11 thousand pistols, 30 thousand rifles, more than 3 thousand machine guns, 15 million rounds, about 100 self-propelled artillery pieces, 144 infantry guns, 180 anti-aircraft guns, more than 620 thousand artillery shells, almost a million shells for anti-aircraft guns, from 600 to 900 wagons of aerial bombs, 0,5 million signal munitions, 1000 tons of gunpowder and 600 thousand explosives. 
                Well, at least the Skoda allies bombed a little at 44, and how many more good Czechs could rivet weapons to the Nazis.
                Antropoid operation is not funny at all. There were so many who wanted to kill Heydrich that they had to import killers from England. And what was the situation in the Czech Republic, that its actual head calmly drove around in a convertible without security.
                It is clear that this does not cancel the heroism of the dead children and eternal memory to the victims of repression in Lidice. But how many Lidits were in the USSR ... Thousands.
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 10 2020 09: 24 New
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                  Quote: Moskovit
                  And what kind of materiel is this? Himself not ashamed to send such links? How many ships for the Reich were built there?

                  And how much does it take to be believed to have worked for the Third Reich? How many Nazi vessels needed to be repaired?

                  Quote: Moskovit
                  Can you compare this to 2500 hatters? Or:
                  According to German sources, in 1944, the Czech Republic monthly delivered to Germany about 11 thousand pistols, 30 thousand rifles, more than 3 thousand machine guns, 15 million rounds, about 100 self-propelled artillery pieces, 144 infantry guns, 180 anti-aircraft guns, more than 620 thousand artillery shells, almost a million shells for anti-aircraft guns, from 600 to 900 wagons of aerial bombs, 0,5 million signal munitions, 1000 tons of gunpowder and 600 thousand explosives. 

                  Glory to Gd, the fact of working for the Third Reich is not trying to deny. Trying to make excuses at different scales.

                  Quote: Moskovit
                  Antropoid operation is not funny at all. There were so many who wanted to kill Heydrich that they had to import killers from England. And what was the situation in the Czech Republic, that its actual head calmly drove around in a convertible without security.

                  And nobody laughs. The underground, as this example clearly shows, was not only in Poland, but also in Czechoslovakia. Some materiel. Let them also read about the "Resistance Movement".

                  Quote: Moskovit
                  It is clear that this does not cancel the heroism of the dead children and eternal memory to the victims of repression in Lidice. But how many Lidits were in the USSR ... Thousands.

                  AND? Does this cross out the feats of the Czechs?
                  1. Moskovit
                    Moskovit April 10 2020 10: 53 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    And how much does it take to be believed to have worked for the Third Reich? How many Nazi vessels needed to be repaired?

                    Are you serious? Many years of successful work for the benefit of the Reich, millions of ammunition and shells, shells, thousands of tanks, planes and cars, millions of machine guns, machine guns and guns do you compare with a handicraft workshop? The work of the whole state with two lousy private traders?
                    Let the Czechs tell their children about the Czech underground at night. The only successful operation was done with external hands. They cooked for half a year. This is so incommensurable with the scale of the guerrilla war in the USSR. In your native Ukraine. Moreover, the murder of Heydrich didn’t change anything. -Czech Republic remained a quiet German harbor, which regularly supplied weapons until May 45!
                    Can you compare this with the USSR, where nowhere but the Baltic states did the Nazis feel calm. Yes, even there were partisans, though not from the local ones.
                    But after the victory, the Czechs turned around - arranged the genocide of the Sudeten Germans.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 10 2020 13: 10 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Moskovit
                      Are you serious? Many years of successful work for the benefit of the Reich, millions of ammunition and shells, shells, thousands of tanks, planes and cars, millions of machine guns, machine guns and guns do you compare with a handicraft workshop? The work of the whole state with two lousy private traders?

                      ChSZ for the benefit of the Reich did not work for 2 days, but 3 (three) years. Do you write?

                      Quote: Moskovit
                      Let the Czechs tell their children about the Czech underground at night. The only successful operation was done with external hands. They cooked for half a year. This is so incommensurable with the scale of the guerrilla war in the USSR. In your native Ukraine. Moreover, the murder of Heydrich didn’t change anything. -Czech Republic remained a quiet German harbor, which regularly supplied weapons until May 45!

                      We delete the "Resistance Movement". 10 Nazis killed by them do not count. So we will write it down.

                      Quote: Moskovit
                      Can you compare this with the USSR, where nowhere but the Baltic states did the Nazis feel calm. Yes, even there were partisans, though not from the local ones.

                      Yes Yes. And about the bread and salt at the meeting of the Nazis, we also know and we will not forget that there were such people.


                      Quote: Moskovit
                      But after the victory, the Czechs turned around - arranged the genocide of the Sudeten Germans.

                      And where did the Konigsberg Germans go? By the way, there was no genocide in the Sudetenland. Learn the materiel.
                      1. Moskovit
                        Moskovit April 10 2020 15: 46 New
                        +2
                        1) Do you have any data on the results of work on the Germans ChSZ? How much the work of this giant helped the Nazis. There is such data about the Czech Republic. By the end of the war, 30% of German military production was in the Czech Republic. Think about these numbers. How much this Czech Lend-Lease extended the agony of the Reich.
                        2) 10 thousand killed Germans in the Czech Republic? Where the numbers come from. Just do not mix the Slovak uprising and fighting in Prague in May 45, when everything was already clear. There are so many claimants for victory, including Vlasovites.
                        3) Let not genocide, but only expulsion, robbery and murder of civilians. In 1945-1946 more than 3 million people were deported from Czechoslovakia.

                        Despite Benes’s orders that “the displacement of the German population should, of course, be non-violent and non-Nazi” (speech to the Provisional National Assembly on October 28, 1945), the deportation was accompanied by numerous killings and bullying of civilians.

                        During the deportation, 18 Germans died, of whom 816 were killed, 5 committed suicide (according to official sources), 596 died in concentration camps, 3411 died during transportation, 6 died immediately after transportation, 615 died and 1 unknown reasons. Many were mutilated or raped.

                        And here is the Soviet deportation:
                        From October 1947 to October 1948, 102 125 Germans were resettled, of which: men - 17 521, women - 50 982 and children - 33 622. 96 747 people were resettled from the city of Kaliningrad and districts of the region, 4536 people from children's receptions and orphanages people, elderly Germans kept in homes for disabled people - 797 people, from hospitals - 45 people. For the entire period of the resettlement of the Germans, out of 102 people died, 125 people, of which in 48 - 1947 people and in 33 - 1948 people. There is a difference?
                        I read the documents about this deportation. In East Prussia, mostly sick and wounded Germans remained. Soviet doctors, on the contrary, saved them from starvation and illness.
                        4) Of course, there were those who met with bread and salt, who sincerely worked for the Germans. But this activity did not have a serious influence on the course of the war. Captured factories of the USSR
                        did not produce tanks and planes for the Reich.

                        Captain Wolfram Fiedler, transferred to Mogilev to fight partisans, noted in a letter dated September 17, 1943: “Fighting partisans is not like fighting in frontline conditions. They are everywhere and nowhere, and at the front it is difficult to create a correct idea of ​​the conditions here. Explosions on the railway, acts of sabotage at enterprises, robberies, etc. do not leave the agenda. They are already accustomed to this and do not see anything tragic in this. The partisans are becoming more and more impudent, since, unfortunately, we do not have enough security troops to act decisively ... In the wide open spaces, having their own government and management, partisans dominate. "
                        It is unlikely that Fidler could ride on Mogilev in a convertible ...
                      2. Professor
                        Professor April 11 2020 08: 21 New
                        -2
                        1. Are we repeating ourselves? The scale may be different, but this does not deny the fact that the ChSZ works for Germany. We worked voluntarily and diligently. "And I had to live somehow" ...
                        2. Czechoslovakia was then one country and there was the "Resistance Movement of Czechoslovakia".
                        3. From German Konigsberg the USSR carried out "expulsion, robbery and murder of civilians" in the amount of at least a hundred thousand.
                        Quote: Moskovit
                        And here is the Soviet deportation:
                        ....
                        There is a difference?

                        No difference. Indigenous the population was forcibly expelled from their territory.

                        4. There was nothing much to capture. The industrial development of the USSR was not comparable with the bourgeois one, and they destroyed everything they could during the retreat (I wonder how Dzhugashvili expected millions of Soviet citizens to live in the abandoned territories?). Nevertheless, Soviet citizens worked during the years of occupation for the benefit of the Reich, and this is an indisputable fact. My grandfather went into partisans and unfortunately there were not many of them. Most, to put it mildly, were not partisans.

                        Quote: Moskovit
                        It is unlikely that Fidler could ride on Mogilev in a convertible ...

                        Why not? Would partisans from deep forests take Mogilev by storm?
                      3. Moskovit
                        Moskovit April 11 2020 12: 31 New
                        0
                        1) Of course we repeat. It's one thing when they give you a click, and another thing on the right Mike Tyson embeds. The scale immediately becomes clear.
                        2) If Czechoslovakia was one country, so much the worse. For Slovakia was an ally of Germany and fought, at least in many ways symbolically, against the USSR and allies. But the scale is not important to you?
                        3) Refugees could take 300 kg of things with them and receive rations for two weeks on the spot. For some it was a tragedy, but many, on the contrary, left with joy, because there was then famine in the USSR. And the region was spread all over, so the living conditions were extremely difficult.
                        Compared with the expulsion, robbery and murder of Germans in the Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary, Soviet deportation was a model of humanism and do not try to blame the USSR in this situation. For the crimes that the Germans committed in the USSR, they got off very easily.
                        4) The industrial potential of the USSR was concentrated in the European part. If the country's leadership calmly surrendered the entire industry to the Germans, the war would quickly end.
                        According to the reports of the People's Commissariat of Railways, 2593 industrial enterprises were removed from the threatened areas, with 1350 enterprises in the first three months. All tank and aircraft factories, ammunition and armament factories, 150 machine-building factories, 94 - metallurgical factories, 40 factories of the electrical industry were evacuated. During the second period of evacuation, 150 large enterprises were removed to the east, including equipment from the Maikop and Grozny oil fields and oil reserves.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor April 11 2020 16: 09 New
                        -3
                        1. Chikatilo is larger than Jack Patrashitel, however both ...
                        2. "Resistance Movement of Czechoslovakia" killed over 10 Nazis. How much underground is there in Nikolaev and Kherson? And in Lviv and Tiraspol?
                        3. About how the Germans were starved in Königsberg and brought to cannibalism? Earlier, you argued about the humane attitude of the scoop in the occupied territories. You Czechs bad ones.
                        4. Shipyards were not evacuated and worked for the benefit of the Third Reich. Voluntarily.
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb April 10 2020 07: 21 New
      +2
      The Russian Federation is the assignee of the Russian Empire.

      The Belochekhs well plundered the "golden echelons" with the country's gold reserves.

      I propose to submit a demand to the Czech Republic for the return of royal gold, which became the basis of the Czechoslovak gold reserve and the basis of a number of banks in this country.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 10 2020 07: 35 New
        -17
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The Russian Federation is the assignee of the Russian Empire.

        Played out in "legal succession". Already on the Russian Empire swung. wassat
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I propose to submit a demand to the Czech Republic for the return of royal gold,

        So how much did they take out? The lawsuit is filed for a specific amount, documented.
        Kakly also wanted from the Mongols denyuzhku claim for the burnt kuev.
        They did not refuse, but asked for the passport details of the victims
        Do you want the whole world to laugh at us?
        Be realistic
      3. your1970
        your1970 April 10 2020 10: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The Russian Federation is the assignee of the Russian Empire.

        Is not...,
        1. Galleon
          Galleon April 10 2020 17: 24 New
          0
          One of Putin’s first affairs was that by 2005 he had paid the French for a military loan of 1914-1916. for the sake of confirmation of succession. They wanted to put a paw on the tsar’s holdings in foreign banks.
      4. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka April 10 2020 21: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The Russian Federation is the assignee of the Russian Empire.

        The Belochekhs well plundered the "golden echelons" with the country's gold reserves.

        I propose to submit a demand to the Czech Republic for the return of royal gold, which became the basis of the Czechoslovak gold reserve and the basis of a number of banks in this country.

        Friend, nothing personal, but .... drink bromine.
    3. Waddimm
      Waddimm April 10 2020 07: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      In all occupied territories they worked for the Germans.

      This does not justify changing shoes on the fly Czechs.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 10 2020 07: 51 New
        -18
        Quote: Waddimm
        Quote: Professor
        In all occupied territories they worked for the Germans.

        This does not justify changing shoes on the fly Czechs.

        And who justifies them? Just some commentators suddenly decided that the Czechs worked for the Germans, forgetting that they worked for the Germans in all occupied territories.

        About the monument. Make friends with Czechs, Poles, Bulgarians ... and then no one will demolish "your" monuments.
        1. Matsuda Kabushiki
          Matsuda Kabushiki April 10 2020 08: 08 New
          +3
          And please explain how to make friends?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 10 2020 08: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Matsuda Kabushiki
            And please explain how to make friends?

            To begin with (let's start with Bulgaria), apologize to them for having saved the Ottoman yoke and laid the foundation for their statehood.

            Then, in the same spirit, according to the list proposed by the "professor of related sciences" ...

            And there, friendship trample! yes How to trample ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              And there, friendship trample! How to trample.

              We are waving such a "friendship" with a shovel
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 10 2020 09: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Lipchanin
                We are waving such a "friendship" with a shovel

                yes
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 10 2020 10: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Insurgent
              To begin with (let's start with Bulgaria), apologize to them for having saved the Ottoman yoke and laid the foundation for their statehood.

              Yes, our ancestors and grandfathers of the Kings were very excited. Good is always paid for by evil.
          2. Professor
            Professor April 10 2020 09: 17 New
            -11
            Quote: Matsuda Kabushiki
            And please explain how to make friends?

            The first thing to show due respect for the object of friendship, and look at it from high. And everything else will follow immediately. hi
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              First of all, show due respect for the object of friendship, and look at it from high

              Well, where and how do we look at them high? belay
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 10 2020 10: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Well, where and how do we look at them high?

                He is sharing the experience of his senior partners. wink
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  He is sharing the experience of his senior partners.

                  Clear
                  With whom you lead, from that and grab laughing
              2. hydrox
                hydrox April 10 2020 10: 54 New
                +4
                The cunning Prof poses the question in such a way that there is no desire to figure it out - but FOR WHAT Russians should respect Czechs, Bandera, Baltic SS, cruel to the Slavs Hungarians, Romanian marauders and other rear-wheel drive Western Balts ??
        2. Waddimm
          Waddimm April 10 2020 09: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          About the monument. Make friends with Czechs, Poles, Bulgarians ... and then no one will demolish "your" monuments.


          How did modern Russia offend Czechs, Poles and Bulgarians?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 10 2020 10: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Waddimm
            How did modern Russia offend Czechs, Poles and Bulgarians?
            The Russian Embassy in Bulgaria expressed indignation at the blasphemous act of vandalism regarding the mass grave of Soviet soldiers in Dobrich.
            “Mockery at the memory of the soldiers who sacrificed their lives for the liberation of Europe and the world from fascism looks especially cynical in the year of the 75th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945,” the diplomatic mission said. Dobrich from 1949 to 1990 was named Tolbukhin - in honor of the Marshal of the Soviet Union, Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the People's Republic of Bulgaria Fyodor Tolbukhin. He led the troops in the defeat of the Nazi invaders in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria.

            It was necessary to leave all these democrats unfinished to be eaten by Hitler. (True, for such words of mine I always rake dozens of minuses).
          2. hydrox
            hydrox April 10 2020 10: 58 New
            +1
            THOSE that for 70 years can not forgive them for their weakness "on the front".
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 10 2020 11: 15 New
              -1
              Quote: hydrox
              THOSE that for 70 years can not forgive them for their weakness "on the front".

              And the behavior of a "girl with low social responsibility"
          3. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 11: 14 New
            -1
            Quote: Waddimm
            How did modern Russia offend Czechs, Poles and Bulgarians?

            Probably because she condemned their entrance to nature
            1. hydrox
              hydrox April 10 2020 12: 23 New
              0
              No, we did not offend them and they did not offend us.
              It’s just that all this liberal trash KNEWS that NATO is the enemy of Russia, therefore, in friendly, close-knit ranks went to NATO to sign up against Russia in any role (at least dog bedding, at least a call boy!) - such a share of slaves ... and love they - look for themselves in the trash, and there is nothing to respect for them :: they are all just masters of betrayal.
        3. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Make friends with Czechs, Poles, Bulgarians ..

          Are we attacking them? Are we introducing sanctions against them? Are we hating media hysteria against them? Do we teach in schools that they are occupiers? Our President in their direction at least once said something offensive?
          Continue?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 10 2020 09: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Zolotse
    Cynicism of the highest brand. The Czechs were very disappointed.

    Disappointment should not be, this is not cynicism, but a constant war of the German population with the Russian for many centuries.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 10 2020 06: 25 New
    12
    Do not forget that even the Poles were partisan and the Czechs worked properly for the Germans fulfilling military orders.
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov April 10 2020 06: 36 New
      +1
      And how they worked. I do not know, maybe from under the "stick, but plowed properly.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 07: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Fedorov
        maybe from under the "stick, but plowed regularly.

        Nobody will work properly from under the "stick"
        Proven by the whole story
        About forty years ago we had such a case.
        One "smart" chela had a friend who served in a special detention center.
        Who does not know, this is the place where people were detained for an administrative violation of 10, or 15 days.
        It was time to plant potatoes, the brow was too lazy and he asked his friend to send him "fifteen daily allowances" to his garden
        He brought him several people. The man gave them shovels, gave out potatoes and they went to drink vodka.
        After some time, they returned and were surprised how quickly they planted potatoes.
        After the set time, a potato bush grew in the center of the garden.
        It turned out that the kids "diaries" dug out one chmu and dumped all the potatoes there. And then they made it so that, at first glance, the potatoes were planted all over the garden.
        Just shovels where you poked and that's it
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Do not forget that even the Poles partisan

      And not only partisan, but also poorly fought poorly.
      In the Soviet TV series "Four Tankmen and a Dog", a favorite childhood film, although with a share of propaganda it is shown
    3. Professor
      Professor April 10 2020 07: 03 New
      -20
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Do not forget that even the Poles were partisan and the Czechs worked properly for the Germans fulfilling military orders.

      Why put on display your ignorance? Learn the materiel. To start, Jan Kubis and Joseph Gabczyk. Operation Anthropoid.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 April 10 2020 08: 16 New
        10
        Yes, yes, I read and watched the film by Leonid Mlechin "Prague 42" how Moravec and the president in exile, with the help of the British, organized a political action, sending Czech soldiers to eliminate Heydrich, how they wounded him and could not find where to hide, how they were surrendered by their own saboteurs for 5 million Reichsmarks. From the film I remembered a quote from Hitler: "The Czechs personify slavish obedience, you can make fanatical Germans out of them, and in order to increase productivity, they only need to increase the ration"
        Something like that.
    4. hydrox
      hydrox April 10 2020 11: 04 New
      0
      Well, yes, partisans from the Home Army preferred to shoot Soviet soldiers in the back, but there was a thing, they even fought against our rear units.
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 10 2020 06: 34 New
    12
    A very unpleasant story, to put it mildly ... What would Otakar Yarosh, Ludwig Svoboda and thousands of Czechs who together with us fought against fascism shoulder to shoulder say to all this?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 47 New
      +9
      Quote: DMB 75
      Very unpleasant story, to put it mildly ..

      Yes, here it is not necessary to be expressed softly. Hard!! Not sparing obscene words !!! Calling them who they are !!
    2. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 19: 05 New
      14
      Quote: DMB 75
      What would Otakar Yarosh, Ludwig Svoboda and thousands of Czechs who together with us fought against fascism shoulder to shoulder say to all this?

      I think they did not particularly begin to talk, with these, to put it mildly, ghouls, but would have acted with them according to the "law of wartime."
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 10 2020 06: 34 New
    +8
    How can we convey that which is not ours. The monument is still the property of Prague-6
    A clumsy attempt to once again take the blame from the demolition of the monument and shift the responsibility for subsequent actions (the answer of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, etc.) to the district, which is controlled by the notorious Russophobe. All too much is sewn with white thread and a large stitch. Hoopoes ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      How can we convey that which is not ours. The monument is still the property of Prague-6
      A clumsy attempt to once again take the blame from the demolition of the monument and shift the responsibility for subsequent actions (the answer of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, etc.) to the district, which is controlled by the notorious Russophobe. All too much is sewn with white thread and a large stitch. Hoopoes ...

      I found a switchman, and he himself was so "white and fluffy"
  • unhappy
    unhappy April 10 2020 06: 37 New
    +7
    Brothers Slavs say? In the coffin, I wanted to see such brothers.
    1. askort154
      askort154 April 10 2020 07: 01 New
      +6
      Brothers Slavs say? In the coffin, I wanted to see such brothers.

      I remember in the early 90s, the first time we arrived in Prague, our representative,
      warned us. Guys, do not talk on buses, they do not tolerate Russian speech here. They immediately show aggression and try to provoke a scandal in order to get them off the bus (tram). There were no such problems anywhere, even in Germany.
  • vitalm
    vitalm April 10 2020 06: 41 New
    +7
    To demolish the monument to the white whales, I don’t remember only in which city it was installed. It is necessary to respond adequately, and not to show concern, chewing snot every time. Are we a banana replica?
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 10 2020 06: 46 New
    +3
    Nothing, time will come and in Prague, under the clank of our caterpillars to tears, the joyful and grateful Czechs, led by the captain of this municipality, will manually put the monument in place ... PS Interesting, but if Shoigu offered to buy the monument, how quickly would you agree and reach price of gold equivalent?
    1. Avior
      Avior April 10 2020 06: 50 New
      0
      And why, by the way, did not offer?
      And why didn’t they address the person to whom the monument belongs?
      The embassy could not know who the owner is and who needs to be written
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 07: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        And why didn’t they address the person to whom the monument belongs?

        The Minister of Defense turned to the Minister of Defense as an equal in rank
        It is a great honor for the Minister to address the head of the district
        1. Avior
          Avior April 10 2020 07: 23 New
          -1
          If the owner is a district, then what was the point of contacting the Minister of Defense?
          Even if he agrees, should he assault him by storm?
          If the minister doesn’t go to the district according to the level, one of the deputies could apply, or other bosses.
          But the appeal to a structure that is not related to events is that what is the point?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            But the appeal to a structure that is not related to events is that what is the point?

            He asked for ASSISTANCE
            Catch the difference?
            1. Avior
              Avior April 10 2020 10: 27 New
              0
              you probably catch, but I can’t catch what is not.
              he asks precisely to convey

              Nemôžeme zostať ľahostajní k zbúraniu pomníka maršala I. Koneva.
              Žiadam vás, aby ste čo najskôr odovzdali pamätník Ruskej federácii.
              Čakáme od vás informácie o mieste a čase jeho odovzdania.

              We cannot remain indifferent to the demolition of the monument to Marshal I. Konev.
              I ask you to hand over the monument to the Russian Federation as soon as possible.
              We look forward to your location and time to download.

              http://kss.sk/nehante-nasich-otcov-osloboditelov
              The answer of the Czech ministry was not addressed to the address, since the monument is not a military burial place, therefore it is not the ministry of defense that orders it and they wrote where to turn to the district authorities.
              https://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/arena/monitor/-Odevzdejte-nam-sochu-marsala-Koneva-Rusky-ministr-poslal-razny-dopis-Metnarovi-Toto-v-nem-pise-dale-620114
              why the embassy in the Czech Republic did not find out to whom the monument belongs, this is not a question for me ...
              hi
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 April 10 2020 07: 18 New
      +2
      Victor hi Would you still find out who made the monument and erected it? This is the military burial of Soviet soldiers.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD April 10 2020 07: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: Svarog51
        Victor hi Would you still find out who made the monument and erected it? This is the military burial of Soviet soldiers.

        Put the Czechs in due time. But this is not a military grave, but just a monument, they are whirling around and around - I’m not mine and I’m not mine, the local one finally controls us and we are so democratic, well, we can’t influence this, in short, ordinary excuses in the spirit of bureaucratic Europe .. Nothing will pour out to them in full measure, they will sweep roses behind our tans ...
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 10 2020 07: 53 New
          +3
          I have already taken an interest in authors and history - unfortunately, everything is sad. So they will continue. If only they were to be redeemed from them, they would not be given for good.
  • Goto
    Goto April 10 2020 06: 48 New
    0
    It is a banana republic.
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion April 10 2020 07: 28 New
    -4
    . The decision to demolish the monument was made by the head of one of the Prague municipalities. The sculpture of the marshal-liberator of Prague about the Nazis was dismantled, and a photo of the sculpture on the ground with a noose around his neck,

    Maybe Czech aid should be sent to fight against coronavirus ..... And the Czechs suddenly realize how they didn’t do well.
    Yes, they still give money for free ..
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge April 10 2020 07: 33 New
    +1
    The Czech Republic has found itself a master. What do they want to live on the battlefield is their decision. If they think that the Americans will defend the Czech Republic as their territory, then this is not a delusion, it is idiocy. As for history, the gold plundered by legionnaires in Russia became the basis of the Legionnaire Bank, which served as the basis for the economic prosperity of Czechoslovakia between the world wars. And the Czech legionaries were so noted in Siberia that they scared children for a long time. It is a pity that Soviet propaganda for the sake of the "friendship of peoples" hid these facts, as well as the mean behavior of the government and the people of the Czech Republic during the Nazi occupation.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 58 New
      14
      Quote: Jarserge
      Czech Republic found a host

      They cannot be without a master. Without a host, they feel bad.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 10 2020 07: 57 New
    +1
    From zhezh, ss ... ki!
  • dobryKot
    dobryKot April 10 2020 08: 05 New
    -4
    First, in their own country, let the monuments stop ruining and mutilating. Until we begin to respect our history ourselves, how can we demand this from others?
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 53 New
      14
      What are you talking about? Specify where this happens.
  • 1536
    1536 April 10 2020 08: 12 New
    +3
    Once again you are convinced that the best monuments to victories and marshals are military bases and a constant military, political and economic presence in the conquered territories. Young people should learn this, as they say, cut off on their nose that if they fought, if they were released, if they paid with the lives of their fighters and commanders, then they should not leave. Otherwise, the result is obvious.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 10 2020 08: 12 New
    +3
    I understand that this is barbarism, but it seems impossible to negotiate with the deaf? We have around a dozen monuments to Czech legionnaires, it is necessary to demolish slowly. As is done in Europe, they voted in the City Council and under the bulldozer!
    Maybe then at least a drop of conscience wakes up?
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara April 10 2020 09: 34 New
      0
      it is necessary to demolish. conscience will not wake up. not her. will stomp their feet and express bewilderment. actually a good reason for demolition.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 10 2020 08: 22 New
    +2
    All these Czech Republics, Bulgaria and other Poland are perfectly suited to the fable of I.A. Krylov:
    Ah Pug! know she is strong
    Kohl barks at an elephant

    A kind of complex ushlopkov.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 10 2020 08: 22 New
    +2
    Well scum, we will keep this in our memory, not yet evening.
  • Blondy
    Blondy April 10 2020 08: 34 New
    +3
    Judging by ours, also, probably, liberals, and also, probably, secretly hope: "the West will help us." Let us recall how we fought against Soviet monuments in our modern history, How it inspired: if you knocked down a monument, you don't need to throw yourself at the embrasure either. Or he turned off the light for an hour - and a fighter for the environment.
  • grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya April 10 2020 08: 55 New
    0
    I did not understand who specifically produced / installed this monument, according to what documents was it transferred to the balance of the Prague-6 municipalities?
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 10 2020 09: 01 New
    0
    No, well, really. You can only comment on "obscenities".
    We will prepare an answer to it (letter). But this one the monument is not ours, and precisely for this reason we will not be able to transfer it to Russia. How can we convey that which is not ours. The monument is still the property of the Prague-6 district, and we are not talking about a military burial.
    What is the answer? belay am
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 51 New
      14
      Quote: Horst78
      What is the answer?

      The usual liberal nonsense yes
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 10 2020 09: 08 New
    +1
    Now they will ask for help with COVID. Demonstratively send on ... Fishing
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 10 2020 09: 15 New
    -5
    The monument to Konev is not destroyed and not removed, but will be transferred to the twentieth century museum created in Prague. At the site of the monument to Konev will be a monument to the SOLDIERS-liberators.
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara April 10 2020 09: 32 New
      +1
      Yes Yes. I can even jerk that there will be Yankees among the liberators, but there will be no Russians. But I don’t believe in another outcome. To understand this, it is enough to re-read the excuse - there is not a hint of apology or shame. It remains to wait a bit.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 10 2020 10: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: L-39NG
      SOLDIER SOLDIERS.

      Is this for the Americans? laughing
      1. L-39NG
        L-39NG April 10 2020 11: 24 New
        -5
        As for the territory of Czechoslovakia specifically, the Nazis were driven out by the Red Army and Czechoslovak units of Ludvik Svoboda and Romanian units, and the American army and Belgian units, and even Vlasov. But the Americans stopped at the line agreed between the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition. And on April 30, 1945, they even turned to the Soviet command to allow the Americans to continue offensive operations on the Karlovy Vary - Plze - České Budějovice line to cover the left flank of the American troops advancing on Austria. If they had not stopped, fewer Red Army men would have died. But the agreement on the post-war division of spheres of influence did not allow. Spheres of influence is actually the diplomatic name for a "soft" occupation.
        1. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 48 New
          12
          Quote: L-39NG
          both the Red Army and the Czechoslovak units of Ludwik Svoboda and the Romanian units, and the American army and the Belgian units, and even the Vlasovites, drove out the Nazis.

          I have not heard such nonsense ...
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara April 10 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    Apparently the Czechs did not really suffer from Nazism. And accordingly they have nothing to celebrate. As well as the Poles, French and other "winners". The only ones who still fought were the British and Yugoslavia, and the United States, as usual, in the end, as usual, came running to share the spoils. Where with a spoon - they are always the first, you cannot take away.
    No need to expect condemnation of Nazism from Europeans. The Germans seem to be more celebrating the victory over him on May 8. The rest was normal.
    The brave French delivered soldiers all the way, and after losing to Germany, they took revenge for some reason on their women. How many Frenchmen died defending the honor of their women during the occupation? What moral right did they have to do so? Underpants..
    We do not understand the delicate vulnerable soul of a European suffering from equality and licking the boots of the occupier. Forget it.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 10 2020 13: 45 New
      -3
      Many people in the post-Soviet expanses, either out of ignorance or intentionally, intentionally forget or ignore the military forces of various countries that, during the Second World War, fought against the Nazis not under Soviet command.
      Just an example, by 1945, the British RAF consisted of pilots and technical personnel, there were 19 Poles, the Anders Army was the 400nd Polish Corps in the British Army.

      The same goes for the Czechs. Of course, there are fewer than Poles, but there were fewer people living in the Protectorate of Czech and Moravia, and they began to fight against the Nazis in 1939. People fled abroad. In the USSR they were put in camps, and in Britain they were drafted into the army and created independent units from refugees both in the RAF and in the infantry and among paratroopers Special Operations Executive - SOE. Many Czechs from mixed Czech-German families, forcibly drafted into a wehrmacht from Celesia and Sudeten, in the battles surrendered or fled to the British or Americans on the North African and Italian fronts and enlisted in Czechoslovak units.

      It is not worth forgetting the army of Free France, although not all Europeans were there.
      There is such a table - the number of victims of the Second World War in% of the number of citizens of the country. From the anti-Hitler coalition.
      Poland 17,16
      USSR 13,47
      Yugoslavia 6,48
      Holland 2,49
      Czech Republic 2,42
      France 1,58
      The rest do not reach 1%
  • arnulla
    arnulla April 10 2020 09: 32 New
    -1
    Rotten excuses
  • arnulla
    arnulla April 10 2020 09: 39 New
    +2
    Europeans do not have the 75th anniversary of the Victory. They are losers, they were part of the 3 Reich, they fought along with the Nazis. Hitler is the creature of Europe, they are extortion. The conquered do not need monuments to those who defeated them ...
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 10 2020 13: 52 New
      -1
      Will Emotions Bloom?
      Germany - a losing country lives and thrives. In Berlin, there is no monument to Zhukov, but a simple Soviet soldier, although the Soviet Union is no longer there.
  • Sergey Zadorozhniy
    Sergey Zadorozhniy April 10 2020 09: 39 New
    0
    Or he can take and develop a program to transfer all the graves of SOVIET WARRIORS to their MOTHERLAND as much as one can endure the reproach and blasphemy of the ashes of the WARRIORS OF LIBERATORS in hostile territories. Our great-grandfathers, the grandfathers gave the most invaluable that a person has - their lives for the fact that the Nazis did not have time to burn the remaining population of these countries in the crematoriums at the end of the camps, and then the USSR helped to restore these countries, denying itself much. And you need to do this right after the holidays and without window dressing on quiet let the local population burn out of shame especially the older generation
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 10 2020 10: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Zadorozhniy
      Or he can take and develop a program to transfer all the graves of SOVIET WARRIORS to their MOTHERLAND as much as one can endure the reproach and blasphemy of the ashes of the WARRIORS OF LIBERATORS in hostile territories

      It would be nice, but I think that it’s not easy to do this ... request
  • shark
    shark April 10 2020 09: 54 New
    -2
    read the comments. Well, the hair stand on end. No specifics. Only srach.
    My findings are as follows:
    Shoigu (very respected by me personally) committed a completely populist action. Well, not his competence. Though zaminusuyte to death.
    The best option is to stupidly redeem a monument from this same prefecture. Europeans for money - they will sell their mother. Invite as an intermediary - Zeman. He is adequate and respected.
    Ideally, it would be nice to note which of our oligarchs. A little bit would have let off steam. And then it comes to the fact that they will soon be introduced to birch trees)))
    Remember this and do not forgive! No way. The Russians have the biggest problems with this (with their mentality)
    Thinking for ourselves whom we choose at local levels of government. And then such instances in power and we are leaking. (Yashin, Besedina, etc.) I remember that we started a rotten protest with the demolition of the Lenin monument on October Square.
  • Million
    Million April 10 2020 10: 09 New
    +2
    There is nothing to be surprised at. Whoever treats the girl to her and dances. Young reformers squandered all ties with the former countries of the socialist camp.
  • aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru April 10 2020 11: 30 New
    -1
    Why did he do this? Wanted to get a click on the nose? Answer must be mirrored.
  • Antokha
    Antokha April 10 2020 11: 55 New
    0
    All these things must be well remembered, and when God will send a fierce punishment on them for everything that they have been doing since the collapse of the USSR, so that no one even has a thought to help them.
  • sleeve
    sleeve April 10 2020 12: 30 New
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    Fu, what an abomination! Is this Europe today? Disgracers. Special "admiration" for the Czech Defense Ministry and the Czech Army, which proved its might in 1939 and 1968, and the Czechoslovak corps, which won the love and respect of the inhabitants of Russia during the Civil War. Ugh...
    I believe that the surviving veterans of the 1st Czechoslovak Corps would not have allowed the obscene gesheft of the local headman to be accomplished. I guessed ...
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 10 2020 14: 13 New
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      The Czechoslovakians gained respect for the inhabitants of Russia during the Civil War, while the Bolsheviks did not increase this respect from their citizens' heads.
      But the Red commanders only aroused fear, immediately after the battle near Zlatoust, when, despite the treaty, the Reds tried to destroy the echelon of unarmed Czechoslovakians. The Bolsheviks had to work out German money.
      Czechoslovakians didn’t fight with civilians, and they gave every bandit a first number.
      1. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 40 New
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        Education abroad received?
  • swyatoslav
    swyatoslav April 10 2020 13: 14 New
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    Judging by the logic of our leadership, we should now wait for the provision of humanitarian aid to the Czechs ...
    How are we doing? They spit and throw shit at us for any reason and without it, our Foreign Ministry threatens with inevitable consequences, while EVERYONE knows that nothing terrible will follow.
    Once again we’ll smack and with a humble smile we will hand out help, sentencing plaintively: guys, let's live together?

    Sorry sight...
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 10 2020 13: 18 New
    -1
    Marshal's neck ... When he kept Prague intact - they were ready to lick his boots ... all the little brothers, ........ Europe is the same - unbearable, then help is needed, bearable - you can tolerate .. .
    1. Campanella
      Campanella April 10 2020 15: 05 New
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      If freaks could be separated in life ... But no, in our lives they exist for immunity. As the saying goes, pike so that crucian carp does not doze off.
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 10 2020 14: 32 New
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    And in addition
    https://warspot.ru/16990-chehoslovatskiy-legion-voyska-polskogo
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 10 2020 15: 02 New
    -1
    A young Czech pederast with an Amer education. His dad was an ambassador to the United States and then to Russia. Would have met a freak in a chukhnik would weighed!
  • Fitter
    Fitter April 10 2020 15: 14 New
    -1
    To demolish graves and monuments to all these freaks - Psheks, Bulgars, the Czechoslovak corps, that would be disgraceful.
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD April 11 2020 06: 25 New
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      Quote: Fitter
      Quote

      Quote: Fitter
      Quote

      demolish graves
      - the last thing, let’s start with us, we’ll breed a chorus with a madhouse ..
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 10 2020 16: 27 New
    +1
    To do this, some need to stop traveling to the Czech Republic. And let the Czechs know why. Show the media how much they will lose because of this. Be sure that after that the life of this ... will become very unsweetened. But for this we need one thing again to become the People.
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 April 10 2020 18: 27 New
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      Quote: tank64rus
      To do this, some need to stop traveling to the Czech Republic

      It should act through diplomatic channels. First, close consulates, curtail all programs with the Czech Republic, and then right up to the breaking of diplomatic relations. Probably it will be more effective.
    2. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 37 New
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      Quote: tank64rus
      To do this, some need to stop traveling to the Czech Republic

      In order for no one to visit them, one needs to either ban visiting the Czech Republic or break up diplomatic relations.
      1. lelik613
        lelik613 April 11 2020 12: 50 New
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        Well, actually it’s possible to get permits there, taxed with 100 percent tax.
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. April 10 2020 16: 38 New
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    It’s interesting, but in Russia by chance we don’t have monuments on the sites of the acts of the Czechoslovak corps since the civil war?
    1. Vadim Petrov
      Vadim Petrov April 10 2020 17: 36 New
      0
      there is. monuments to the author of "the brave soldier seamstress"
    2. Popov I.P.
      Popov I.P. April 10 2020 18: 34 New
      +1
      It turns out there is a lot of https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html
  • Camrad
    Camrad April 10 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    Especially for Czechs, Ukrainians and other amateurs to mock our monuments, I propose to adopt a law in Russia: for countries violating the inviolability of Soviet monuments and military graves, Russia refuses to recognize the territorial inviolability of these countries! I would see how many courageous, independent mayors of Czech cities would be found then.
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 April 10 2020 18: 24 New
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      Quote: Comrad
      Russia refuses to recognize the territorial integrity of these countries

      Will not help. Imagine that we have adopted such a law. Suppose in Poland, after our adoption of the law, they demolished the monument to the soldiers liberators. And what are our actions? The invasion of Poland? This will already be a nuclear war in which there will be no winner. How to be I don’t know ... Maybe a break in diplomatic relations ...
      1. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 36 New
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        Quote: Gene84
        May the gap in diplomatic relations

        I agree. This is the most effective way to put in place the presumptuous Russophobia.
      2. Camrad
        Camrad April 10 2020 19: 24 New
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        The idea is different, to make the enemy what he is desperately (although possibly and unreasonably) afraid. What is the greatest fear of Europeans? That the Russians will be back. So you need to use it. And what our possible actions will be, they think for themselves ... and they will take care of our monuments like the apple of an eye.
  • Alexander Chirukhin
    Alexander Chirukhin April 10 2020 16: 47 New
    -1
    They are used to being under someone; also Bulgarians and some others.
    Until you bend, you will not hear a good word.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 35 New
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      Quote: Alexander Chirukhin
      They used to be under someone

      It cannot be otherwise, for the reason that for centuries they lived under someone. Hence their desire to cling to the strong.
  • Vadim Petrov
    Vadim Petrov April 10 2020 17: 30 New
    +1
    Russia does not need love, especially from the side that took part in the war against Russia. And as our foaming demagogues noted, everything was planned in the same place as the rest of the planned "lowering" of Russia to the level of cannibals and non-humans. in this case, Russia needs to quickly arm itself to the teeth and punish the offenders with instant total destruction.
  • Vadim Petrov
    Vadim Petrov April 10 2020 17: 34 New
    -1
    war "rolls into the eyes" inevitable, like the change of seasons. therefore, it is necessary, without any antics and demagoguery, to strike so that there is no one to talk to about these topics.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 18: 33 New
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      Quote: Vadim Petrov
      the war is inevitable

      If there is a war, it will be nuclear. And after the use of nuclear weapons there is definitely no one to talk to.
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 10 2020 18: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Lawrence of Arabia
    You put it Czechs did not dream (and even more so as a Protectorate). And lastly, the White Czechs behaved like bandits and not Nazis, they did not consider themselves a race of the chosen ones and their actions were motivated not by the desire to free up "living space", but by the desire to be enriched

    are you telling us Siberians? cut out, burned out, killed, raped, robbed - the Slavs. and no fairy tales. our generation is alive and we remember the stories of our grandfathers, who chased these "heroes" like sidor goats; they smelly fighters (just like Hasek) - to steal, rob, and mock women. Cover yourself with the detachments of L. Svoboda .... in 1943 it was only one battalion. And don't tell my slippers. They will open all the documents and tell everything about your heroes and "partisans". Let's laugh. How they fought, how they armed Hitler, how they "fought" heroically, defending their homeland. Our Brest Fortress defended itself longer than the whole of Europe. do not steal the gold reserves of russia - they would sit like bulgaria, in the gardens. it is a pity that our marshals were saving their cities. it was necessary like the Germans in Dresden or Guernica. would love more. and 68 years ?! Ask the veterans here how they led our troops and how the Germans led them. And how your freedom-loving "heroes" were shooting from behind the corners. HEROI !!!!!!
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. April 10 2020 18: 43 New
    +2
    https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html Памятник чехословацким легионерам во Владивотоке есть и по России их немало. А может мэрии Владивостока принять решение о его неуместности ( белочехи память о себе оставили далеко не позитивную), аккуратно демонтировать его и обменять его на памятник Коневу
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent April 10 2020 19: 21 New
    +1
    For them we are no liberators. Throughout WWII, Czechs regularly worked for the benefit of the Reich !!! They made a quarter of German tanks, 40% of all small arms, 27% of trucks. And the Skoda plants stopped assembly for the Nazis only in May 45 !!!!!
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 10 2020 19: 24 New
    -2
    Quote: Popov I.P.
    https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html Памятник чехословацким легионерам во Владивотоке есть и по России их немало. А может мэрии Владивостока принять решение о его неуместности ( белочехи память о себе оставили далеко не позитивную), аккуратно демонтировать его и обменять его на памятник Коневу

    in his trash and the rest. an eye for an eye. demolished the monument in Warsaw in Katyn, demolished in Krakow under Smolensk and the bulldozer, then something can move. although ... not sure.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 10 2020 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: begemot20091
    Quote: Popov I.P.
    https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html Памятник чехословацким легионерам во Владивотоке есть и по России их немало. А может мэрии Владивостока принять решение о его неуместности ( белочехи память о себе оставили далеко не позитивную), аккуратно демонтировать его и обменять его на памятник Коневу

    in his trash and the rest. an eye for an eye. demolished the monument in Warsaw in Katyn, demolished in Krakow under Smolensk and the bulldozer, then something can move. although ... not sure.

    come on to the wall then, Mlyn, where did your grandfathers-great-grandfathers were in the Second World War? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I already don’t have enough evil for you, I’ll beat anyone for my grandfathers with such nonsense and my friends will support without words!
    I will add especially "smart", you can not fight the nation ...
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 10 2020 21: 39 New
    0
    Quote: lvov_aleksey
    Quote: begemot20091
    Quote: Popov I.P.
    https://topwar.ru/142304-zachem-chehoslovackim-ubiycam-i-maroderam-stavyat-pamyatniki-v-rossii.html Памятник чехословацким легионерам во Владивотоке есть и по России их немало. А может мэрии Владивостока принять решение о его неуместности ( белочехи память о себе оставили далеко не позитивную), аккуратно демонтировать его и обменять его на памятник Коневу

    in his trash and the rest. an eye for an eye. demolished the monument in Warsaw in Katyn, demolished in Krakow under Smolensk and the bulldozer, then something can move. although ... not sure.

    come on to the wall then, Mlyn, where did your grandfathers-great-grandfathers were in the Second World War? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I already don’t have enough evil for you, I’ll beat anyone for my grandfathers with such nonsense and my friends will support without words!
    I will add especially "smart", you can not fight the nation ...

    calmed down a bit, my grandfathers in the West and East fought. But none of them offered rush-on-rush; they had seen enough in the trenches. In 90 I also know how it is wall to wall. I CAN’T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS ALL THOSE WHO WE WANT TO PROVE ?!
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 April 11 2020 07: 37 New
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      "Monuments" to cattle should be liquidated as cattle burial grounds, but this must be done politely and with a smile, relying on the laws, as gentlemen "Europeans" are able to do.
  • iouris
    iouris April 10 2020 22: 59 New
    0
    They will not give it, and, in general, Shoigu turned to the wrong address.
  • Super
    Super April 10 2020 23: 17 New
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    What do these Czechs afford? I am sure the answer will be tough! Shoigu will not let you down!
    1. iouris
      iouris April 11 2020 15: 34 New
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      Quote: Super
      I am sure the answer will be tough!

      It will not.