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COVID-19: somehow it all comes out weird

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COVID-19: somehow it all comes out weird

Generally, the whole история with this, COVID-19, upon closer inspection, causes more and more surprise and a desire to reflect.


That somehow everything happened in time to horror. The virus ... And things have done ...

I would say that COVID-19 is like a tornado, tsunami and typhoon in one package. Yes, three in one, but in terms of destructive power surpasses all components.

The whirlwind blew away completely all the bloated figures in the economies of countries. As you want, calibrated, adjusted everything that I could reach. Suddenly, it became clear that the availability of agriculture, which could provide the country with food in isolation and the presence of industry, which could provide the country with products, were an order of magnitude higher and more important than the most efficient banking system.

Revaluation of values ​​has begun. And here, I would say that COVID-19 played on the side of the truth. The doctor, teacher, janitor, cleaning lady, salesman, plumber and auto repairman suddenly turned out to be more significant and more important than lawyers, accountants, managers, bankers, pop figures and football players.

Footballers especially, because it suddenly became clear that every costly shaker was less significant than the ventilator. And almost all of this sports party (as well as pop) could easily be exchanged for masks and ventilators. There would only be an opportunity, as they say.

Sanctions have also changed. Not that they were canceled, but rather, they were introduced by everyone for everyone. Entire industries stopped, borders closed, and trade flows froze around the world.

With borders the same. You can now go to another country only with the most elite of the elites listed on special lists, accompanied by personal doctors of the highest category and, of course, not having problems with the COVID-19 tests.

Even conflicts, notice, have subsided. No, we don’t take Africa, there they treat the next epidemic as ... as usual. You can’t scare Africans with infection, which cannot be said about Europeans and Americans.

By the way, yes, the virus has become a litmus test, an indicator of where, who and how much is ready for extreme effective, but tough measures. It turned out that this is far from accessible to all countries, and not everywhere governments are capable of decisive measures.

Today, someone might be interested in the question: why did COVID-19 smack so hard after Asia in the EU and the USA? Some saw in this punishment for sins and all that, but in fact, everything is much simpler.

The first component is of a medical nature. The virus turned out to be thermophilic, it is uncomfortable in cold conditions. On the one hand, because we do not have such a distribution, on the other, it is still ahead.

In addition, many experts believe that our BCG vaccination, which everyone does in infancy, also plays a role. Yes, tuberculosis and pneumonia are really similar in their signs, the clinical manifestations of these lung diseases are easy to confuse. Moreover, often these two diseases develop in parallel. But the treatment is different, therefore, primary diagnosis is important. But overall, BCG vaccination may indeed play a role. Positive.

No less significant role was played by our lack of learning. It is clear that in Italy, whose area is smaller than that of the Tomsk Region, and where the slovenliness of the population just rolls over, the virus felt at home.

In addition, given that the virus has been walking for a long time, my personal opinion is that, in a mild form, we could well have been ill or ill. Why in easy? But because every winter our organisms began to struggle with what? That's right, SARS, flu, bronchitis and so on in stock. Especially during warming after frost, when thawed viruses began to try to take their toll.

Where does the flu come from, sorry, in sunny Italy and Spain? Where does immunity come from? And China, which is pretty south, there are enough of its nasty things, but nevertheless, it is warmer and organisms are not ready.

And the last one. We watched the Chinese, who actually went to war with the virus, triumph. This required considerable effort from them, in fact, the whole country was mobilized. And - importantly enough - the party and government.

We were lucky. We are not losing yet, and even then contrary. The measures proposed by the president are very specific and indicate not so much the desire to protect the population, but rather the saving of the budget.

This is the only way to explain this slurred “regime of self-isolation” at one’s own expense, and, accordingly, the complete disregard for him.

And those who, in theory, should follow the decree of President Putin, wanted to sneeze at him (decree) with the coronavirus. Examples will be local, provincial.

For example, in my city there is a gym. An institution that, in principle, has a diagnostic plan. Where hundreds of people go through a physical examination. They announced a three-week ... Yes, if someone thought that the doctors were sent by decree? Yeah, now! Everyone was ordered to write three weeks of vacation without saving content!

They wrote, sit in b / s. The diagnostic facility was closed.


I cannot but mention United Russia, which is building roads, canals, bridges, and now it is also fighting the coronavirus.





Loudly, naturally, on all possible television channels, it was told about three new “Gazelles” that would deliver aid. United Russia is fighting the coronavirus! Hurray, gentlemen!

True, midnight soon struck, the carriage became a pumpkin again, and the “new” cars were not so new, the freshest - of 2016, and not from United Russia, but from Autoline, which simply took three minibuses and painted.

In general, another disgrace from the party of former prime ministers and presidents.

Seriously, there is no doubt that we will defeat this virus. But not thanks, but contrary. Contrary to all those “measures” that imitate our government and the party in power. Contrary to presidential decrees, which no one rushed to execute for many reasons. The main one is the elementary lack of funds from performers.

But - I’m sure that we will win.

And one more nuance. Psychology.

Why such a madhouse in the USA, mountains of corpses, panic and all that? Is there medicine worse than ours? Social is worse? Sorry, I won’t believe it. There are worse heads.

Any, as they say, doomsday we will answer with what? That's right, buying buckwheat. Let's just say stupid, but harmless and without panic. Psychology. The collapse of the political system of 1991, the financial crises of 1992, 1998, 2008, defaults and more. A good defensive reaction to all irritations: stuffing with buckwheat and not to worry. There is a reserve - we will live.

The remaining "little things" can be ignored.

But in the USA it’s so impossible. There, a crisis of wave nature, that is, spreads like a wave. The average American citizen does not present himself as a loser today. Congress, Senate, army, navy, medicine, psychologists ...

When all this turns out to be powerless against some kind of infection, panic begins in such heads. And as you know, panic kills no worse. As it happened in the United States, citizens who relied too much on their state set off on their last journey in airtight bags.




Citizens of Russia, accustomed to doing it on their own in any situation, showed a slightly different level, if not survival skills, then resistance to an external factor.

Yes, there is a definite merit of the Russian state in this.

It turns out funny: the Russian authorities impose fines of 5000 rubles for leaving home, while in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism. There is a difference, right?

The Russian state does not give a penny, with the exception of handouts to individual categories, prohibits generally all economic and commercial activities to entrepreneurs who are not included in the list of those who can work.

And the obligation to pay regular bills from citizens locked in homes does not cancel and does not give out products for free. Moreover, products are becoming more expensive, fuel is becoming more expensive (against the background of general drops in world oil prices!), And the Russian authorities are not doing anything at all. The credit holidays that they promised ended up being fictitious.

That's right, there are more important things to do. America to help, Italy to help ... And their own fight back.

Constant appeals to the ranks of volunteers look especially cynical.


Outraged. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that the “useful initiative” comes from the state. The fight against the virus is a very serious thing, it is the risk of catching this infection as quickly as possible, which everyone scares us and because of which we were sent home. Solely so that we do not accidentally pick up this infection. Because COVID-19 is caught by infectious disease doctors, professionals in their field.

In order for us not to become infected ourselves and not to infect others, we were forbidden to go to work, visit shops that were closed just in case, and so on. Everything is logical. So it is necessary.

But when it is not necessary, it turns out that it is very possible to risk your health, and, most interestingly, completely free!

And these constant calls to join the ranks of volunteers to help self-isolated, look very peculiar. If the virus is so dangerous that we were locked up, then running around every day to the shops where the carriers of the virus can go, buying / receiving food several times a day, collecting packages from somewhere — everything is beautiful. United Russia helps.

But it looks very strange. Why are people who have been suspended from work under the pretext of isolating them from the virus, actively invited to fight the virus completely free of charge, that is, for nothing?

As I understand it, to free up money for more necessary things. For example, to support systemically important enterprises whose list was published by Interfax. There, enterprises such as LLC OKN (commercial real estate operator) and LLC F.O.N. (bookmakers), Crocus International JSC (exhibition center), Danon Russia JSC, Coca-Cola Eichbisi Eurasia LLC, Hohland Russland LLC, McDonald's LLC, Volkswagen Group Rus LLC and many other amazing "Russian" enterprises.

No problem. Pull it out. How to pull on yourself and much more. Because in Russian psychology the very concept of psychology is missing. It’s not customary for us to run to the psychologist without any reason, dissolving the vests of specialists with tears.

It is customary for us to bite our teeth to survive and win in spite of. Contrary to everyone and everything. There is confidence, which is based on three dozen years of life in a democratic Russia, that we will survive and cope this time.

And again, yourself, without any help. Because there will be no help from the state, as always, but we will cope as always. Just because we are.

But how then will the authorities tell us how it defeated the virus from TV screens? What eyes will the first faces speak with?

However, I am sure we will all see it.
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  1. smart ass
    smart ass April 10 2020 05: 33 New
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    “United Russia” with the president together return me 5 years of life and 1 million rubles, you owe me after the pension reform!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 10 2020 06: 16 New
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      A friend in need is a friend indeed. In our country, the difference between the elite (officials) and the people is visible in everything, even in masks. Someone in reliable respirators that really save, and someone in simple masks.


      Officials and a doctor.
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      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 10 2020 08: 38 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Officials and a doctor.

        And this pig’s muzzle sticks a finger at the doctor,
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 10 2020 10: 06 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          And this pig’s face,

          This is not a piggy face. This is the hope of the nation, this is the work of which Russia is flourishing, it is an icon in the red corner.
          And without sarcasm if ... Barin deigned to pay attention to the servant. Let him rejoice that he poked his finger, and hung his kick with anger.
          1. Dimmedroll
            Dimmedroll April 11 2020 22: 24 New
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            Who do you mean by the hope of the nation? I do not recognize him in makeup.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 13: 55 New
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          He is an official, believes that he has the right to poke a finger at anyone ...
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 10 2020 14: 18 New
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            Quote: Gene84
            He is an official, believes that he has the right to poke a finger at anyone ...

            This is until the moment when his finger is turned inside out. wink
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna April 10 2020 20: 35 New
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              The Wanderer and the Plague

              Once a wanderer met a plague,
              Which wandered sadly into the city.
              “Tell me, the plague, I won’t understand,
              Where do you go and how long is it? ”

              The plague snapped: “I am going to your land.
              I advise you all to pray to God.
              I will harvest a glorious harvest there -
              I’ll take five thousand souls with me on the road. ”

              We talked. Quietly parted.
              And each one again wandered his way ...
              And after the stars were not lit for everyone.
              And in fear, the city sounded the alarm.

              A week later they met again:
              “Eh, well, the plague, you lied to me?
              You said there will be five thousand
              Well, once in a hundred you sniffed more! ”

              “You strange people,” said the plague, “
              You are more attracted to life by chopping block.
              I took five thousand souls myself
              Everyone else died of fear ... "
              Elena Torgovskaya

      3. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 April 10 2020 09: 06 New
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        But how then will the authorities tell us how it defeated the virus from TV screens? What eyes will the first faces speak with?
        Roman, what are you like for the first time? With absolutely normal and "honest" faces, Kiselev and Solovyov will tell us that all possible and impossible measures were taken in the country to combat the infection. And only thanks to the decrees of the Solntselik and his team, we coped with this plague. Here Trump, yes, there are problems, but we have all the business, so start and finish.
        In my hometown (a district center in the Rostov region with a population of just under 50 thousand people), a woman recently died of pneumonia. So what would you think? She was not even tested by anyone, she was not diagnosed. Perhaps an autopsy will show, but maybe not. At the same time, not a single patient has been officially recorded. And the fact that the city was flooded with those who worked in Moscow in an illegal or semi-illegal position and that no one had checked for any viruses, well, these are simply problems of themselves and their families.
        These are still flowers, berries will be in front. The unemployment crisis, the shutdown of enterprises, sending employees to sit without maintenance, all this very soon, oh how it comes to us. Most people simply do not have fat in the form of savings, most live from paycheck to paycheck, and this money will end soon, but then ... Then we’ll see how the government will deal with it. But I’m sure that the relations will be victorious, because ... there is no other way.
        And do these people still blather about how bad it was under the USSR and personally Comrade Stalin?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 10 2020 11: 00 New
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And do these people still blather about how bad it was under the USSR and personally Comrade Stalin?

          Well, they’ll wait and see, not far off.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 00 New
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          only thanks to the decrees of the sun and his team we coped with this plague.

          One hundred percent planting of an artificial "personality cult" ...
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 April 10 2020 14: 14 New
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            The problem is that under Stalin there was a cult, BUT there was also a PERSONALITY! Putin, on the person who is a little bit corresponding to Joseph Vissarionovich, doesn’t pull, the scale and caliber are not the same. Although, it must be admitted that on the world stage, except perhaps Xi Jing Ping and Frau Merkel, there are no personalities comparable to Putin either. People today have crushed, including those in power, there are no more roosevelts, church drafts and degole, there are only idiots like bushes, microns and other riffraff.
            1. TANKISTONE
              TANKISTONE April 12 2020 20: 05 New
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              These ones listed by you are a media product. And how will it be after their death, how many people are going to spend the last journey, time will tell!
        3. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 15: 54 New
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          We also have a little more than 50 thousand in the town; there is an influx of those dismissed from Moscow. Even within our small 2-story communal house, there is a replenishment.
          Oh ... how.
        4. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 10 New
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          Have you lived under Stalin? I was born under Khrushchev and I cannot judge the Stalin era.
        5. blackice
          blackice April 12 2020 04: 12 New
          +8
          Far East.
          City of special attention salty.
          When in Wuhan, the virus was raging with might and main, as it were, they closed the border with China. it turned out that the Chinese as they came to work for us, and so come. What they are sick of there, no one knows. Without the Chinese, we naturally cannot build anything. Well, that's what management says, at least.
          My wife got sick, went to the hospital. They diagnosed SARS with a complication of bronchi. A coronovirus was not sent for a test. She went herself, passed sputum, found pneumococci, that is, pneumonia at least. The coronovirus was said to begin taking tests in mid-April. But they write out, they say it’s healthy. Goes to the head doctor. They send to ...., they tell us better. Bottom line, another month we are being treated by a paid doctor. And here self-isolation arrived in time.
          In private reduction offices in full swing. Some are 50%, some are under 0. There are already many on the internet who want to express a personal wish to zeroed out for unlimited care.
          So the stability is covered by the most I can not.
          The USSR was a great power, where they drank kvass from a barrel with one glass and were not afraid to pick up the infection.
          Where for the death of the patient could be imprisoned for a very long time. Where anyone could write a sneak to the party department and the perpetrator was punished on the party line, which meant the loss of everything. and only thanks to such party leaders as humpback and the same sun-faced power did the end come.
          Well, as they say, a betrayer will betray more than once. So he doesn’t get used to it.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR April 17 2020 03: 19 New
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            Quote: blackice
            Far East.
            City of special attention salty.

            What kind of city is this Far East? Not any sarcasm or mockery. Just a question. Somehow it turns out. A say B.
            1. blackice
              blackice April 17 2020 06: 48 New
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              Far East is a region
              The city of special attention is sunflower - Big Stone.
              Previously, the town-forming enterprises were the Zvezda Shipyard, the repair of the nuclear submarine, the Vostok ZSO (now a disbanded enterprise, by the way, by the Solntselikim themselves), the ship equipment plant, the final development cycle for new nuclear submarines, the Era Pacific enterprise, everything related to electricity in Nuclear submarine.
              Now in place of all these enterprises one thing, the shipbuilding complex "Zvezda". Unspoken prefix: named after Sechin.
              Construction of oil tankers.
              Local people take not just a little, but very few. Mostly shift workers and foreigners work.
              For reference, before only one "Zvezda" employed up to 15000 people. Two years ago 4000
              1. YOUR
                YOUR April 17 2020 08: 10 New
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                These cities have a special attention wagon and small cart. d. Free construction of the gas processing plant is said to be the largest in the world. Naturally foreigners work. The Power of China pipeline, although it was pulled up to China in the Blagoveshchensk region and was stopped, they had to pull it to Vladik. In the Khabarovsk Territory, wood processing is also super close ... rice processing, we have Chinese with pesticides, our ecological one. Prior to that, I carefully looked after the hydroelectric power station.
                This is where the question arose from me.
                It was scary to come to Svobodny, a caravanserai, especially on weekends. It has now been closed, they are not released.
                Generally in surprise. 25 thousand people, the city and not very small, solid men, eat sorry shit, and where to dump it all ????????? There are no sewage treatment plants. On the highway these cars are continuously scurrying which are Vacuum. Where do they pour everything ???
                In general, cheers and glory.
              2. YOUR
                YOUR April 17 2020 08: 18 New
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                Yes, I don’t know about you, but the Amur Region part of November, December, January and almost the whole of February was very actively ill - pneumonia. All hospitals were packed, other departments were freed, and beds were in the corridors. Doctors demanded an epidemic, close children's institutions. Renouncement. Everything is fine with us, do not panic, this is in China. It is possible that we jumped over the cove in a quiet way. Let's hope.
                And the border crossings have not really closed for us. Announced the closing of the price tag for products off scale. Cucumbers were planted at 999 rubles, tomatoes at 550. Somewhere from 5 to 8 I can’t say for sure, there was an urgent unscheduled meeting of the Government of the Amur Region at which they decided to transport products from China, they do not pose a danger. This is to how quarantine is respected and the state of our food complex.
      4. Nfl1.6
        Nfl1.6 April 10 2020 09: 06 New
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        FFP3 class, really .. but, without other means of protection (suit, glasses) - all this is also self-deception.
      5. Overlock
        Overlock April 10 2020 09: 37 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Officials and a doctor.


        The governor came to the hospital. Guess the first time, who is the governor? Pskov
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 10 2020 09: 52 New
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          Quote: Overlock
          Guess the first time, who is the governor?

          Sensible logic should suggest that the governor is a woman in a simple bandage. And the doctor is a man in a special protective suit, this dictates to him the need to work constantly among sick people. But Russian realities are severely deformed and sound unfortunately, it doesn’t smell like logic. Therefore, most likely, the opposite is true.

          It used to be the first communists to attack, now the elite is completely different, they will hide behind the backs of people.
          1. flicker
            flicker April 10 2020 16: 53 New
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            Sound logic should suggest that the governor is a woman in a simple bandage. And the doctor is a man in a special protective suit

            Well, it would probably be if you were the governor.
            Although no, you would have come in shorts and a shirt ... maybe just in a shirt belay
            ***
            But seriously, it’s much more important, not what the governor is wearing, but how he does his job.
            It is important that after this visit, doctors receive appropriate work clothing so that their health is not in danger, their work is appreciated.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 02 New
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          Quote: Overlock
          who is the governor?

          From the first time you can find out who is a medical worker in the photo.
      6. bandabas
        bandabas April 10 2020 09: 59 New
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        Well, they fastened industrial respirators, so what? The mask is intended primarily to ensure that the infected (potentially infected) reduces the risk of other people getting infected by sneezing (coughing). How much they save that mask, that these respirators from external exposure is a moot point. But when using this respirator we inhale the filtered air, and back out the filterless through the check valve. And, it's not about the price. Try to work as a welder or in dusty conditions in a medical mask. Different tasks. PS They would have fastened OZK.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 10 2020 10: 11 New
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          Quote: bandabas
          Well, they fastened industrial respirators, what?

          You didn’t catch the point at all, but the point is that mediocre officials defend themselves better than the doctors they are obliged to provide in the first place.
          1. DemikSPb
            DemikSPb April 10 2020 10: 38 New
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            Well, officials everywhere dangle. Do you want him to transfer the virus from one place to another like a fly? A medical mask protects others from the effects of the protected. In Plague Fort, doctors worked without masks at all, in 1916.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 10 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: DemikSPb
              Well, officials everywhere dangle. Do you want him to transfer the virus from one place to another like a fly?

              For officials, you need to make a special car with a HLF and a supercharger in the cockpit up to 1,1 atmospheres (the cockpit is fenced off from the driver and guards), with an installation for pumping air into a chemical kit for a gas mask. chemical kit with double walls and a Kevlar protection in the middle, a mask made of bulletproof glass. The car is accompanied by a guarded car, a disinfection and disinfection machine, and a camp bath (after righteous and dangerous work, hot disinfection must be performed as well. (I forgot to say that in the cab there’s a mini bar for 10 liters of liquid, and weekly food supplies in vacuum packaging, well there is caviar, goldfish, dried sausage.) Comrades need to take care of their guardians.
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 15: 57 New
                +4
                They forgot about the built-in "matyugalnik" in the car.
                How will he give commands to subordinates?
            2. Siberian54
              Siberian54 April 10 2020 11: 54 New
              +3
              It doesn’t protect - its mask expels saliva with air through a simple valve without any filters ..
            3. Gene84
              Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 04 New
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              Quote: DemikSPb
              Well, officials everywhere dangle

              They do not dangle. They pretend to work.
              Quote: DemikSPb
              Do you want him to transfer the virus from one place to another like a fly?

              Self-isolation to help them
            4. Alf
              Alf April 10 2020 20: 00 New
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              Quote: DemikSPb
              Well, officials everywhere dangle. Do you want him to transfer the virus from one place to another like a fly?

              Yes, the fact of the matter is that no infection takes them. Officials, not flies. Has anyone heard the message that the official is ill? Here are ordinary people, as many as you like, but bureaucrats ...
              1. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m April 11 2020 06: 25 New
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                Moscow. April 9th. INTERFAX.RU - The governor of the Chelyabinsk region, Alexei Teksler, is forced to isolate himself in his office, as his press secretary Sergei Zyus confirmed the coronavirus infection.
                Recognition systems in the coronavirus are not built-in. (For conspiracy therapists: consider the following virus model.)
            5. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san April 10 2020 20: 00 New
              +1
              It is enough in place of one person (a videographer-pro) in a protective suit, trained-instructed and with prof. audio and video equipment. And the meeting and inspection can be carried out remotely - at the same time a moral example can be set in terms of maintaining isolation.
          2. bandabas
            bandabas April 10 2020 15: 25 New
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            Why is the data protection of the rescuers better? And about the "officials" .. You are right.
          3. bandabas
            bandabas April 10 2020 16: 44 New
            +2
            I, dear, have been grasping this meaning since graduating in 1989. I have the honor. Thirty years ago. What other questions?
          4. Victorio
            Victorio April 10 2020 18: 46 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: bandabas
            Well, they fastened industrial respirators, what?

            You didn’t catch the point at all, but the point is that mediocre officials defend themselves better than the doctors they are obliged to provide in the first place.

            ===
            it is possible that the official is mediocre. and maybe not, in which case you (and other similar public) who calls such an official mediocre?
      7. DemikSPb
        DemikSPb April 10 2020 10: 35 New
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        The doctor should change the mask every 2 hours. The official has one mask until the end of quarantine. Not this way?
      8. Overlock
        Overlock April 10 2020 12: 23 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Officials and a doctor.

        Head of the Singapore Ministry of Finance Heng Sweet Kit He said that the entire top leadership of Singapore would not receive a monthly salary, and senior officials and deputies would lose some payments and bonuses.
        The money will go to doctors: "All those who are on the front line of the fight against the virus will be rewarded"
        There you have it wild grin of capitalism
        1. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Overlock
          So much for the wild grin of capitalism

          This is the right domestic policy, where the people and the authorities are on the same side of the fight against the pandemic.
        2. Alf
          Alf April 10 2020 20: 07 New
          +9
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: Stas157
          Officials and a doctor.

          Head of the Singapore Ministry of Finance Heng Sweet Kit He said that the entire top leadership of Singapore would not receive a monthly salary, and senior officials and deputies would lose some payments and bonuses.
          The money will go to doctors: "All those who are on the front line of the fight against the virus will be rewarded"
          There you have it wild grin of capitalism

          At one time, the founder of the "Singapore economic miracle" explained the secret of success


          But ... "we don't hand over our own."
      9. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 10 2020 12: 26 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        In our country, the difference between the elite (officials) and the people is visible in everything, even in masks.

        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 10 2020 15: 37 New
          +8
          The Chinese make special masks and respirators. The virus does not pass through them. And simple masks really do not save. But it is they who are given to our doctors.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 10 2020 15: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            And simple masks really do not save.

            But half the world drags them.
            1. Revival
              Revival April 10 2020 17: 55 New
              +1
              Strong argument, yeah
        2. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m April 11 2020 06: 35 New
          +3
          Staphylococcus aureus has a size of about 1 micron. Coronavirus 0,1 μm. So comparing a paper clip and a room is incorrect. The rest is reasonable.
      10. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 10 2020 14: 21 New
        +9
        Quote: Stas157
        Stas157 (Stas)

        Comrade, this is especially for you, check out: Russia began deliveries of high-speed assault boats to one of the African countries
      11. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 15: 47 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Officials and a doctor.

        In my childhood, for "poking your finger" you could get it with a ruler.
        Here they are, in all their glory, "servants of the people".
      12. Azis
        Azis April 10 2020 23: 56 New
        +3
        Prices, let's say now, are slightly different than in the photo - a mask, as a doctor costs 50-60 rubles. (not at the pharmacy! # ichtamnet), and the 3M respirator is dustproof / aerosol-proof (!) approx. 500 rub That is, the price difference is not 100 times. In it, it’s easier for an official suffering from shortness of breath from the works of the righteous to breathe more conveniently, since there is a valve and the shiny face is not sweating so much.
      13. Zkv_4
        Zkv_4 April 11 2020 12: 58 New
        +4
        Stop distributing fakes !!!
        Have you ever held a 3m respirator in your hands ??? !!! I’ll tell you a secret. A respirator is a consumable !! And for that kind of money (1040 for 1 pc.) No one will buy.
        3m respirators are usually sold in packages. So the prices immediately for 10 pieces indicate.

        https://sankt-peterburg.vostok.ru/catalog/sredstva-zaschity/zaschita-dyhaniya/filtruyuschie-protivoaerozolnye/polumaska-filtruyuschaya-3m-8122-s-klapanom/
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 11 2020 15: 50 New
          -2
          Quote: Zkv_4
          I will tell you a secret a respirator is a consumable !! and for that kind of money

          What kind of 3 M are you talking about? With a charcoal filter or mask? If about a mask, then they are sold individually, too. hi
        2. blackice
          blackice April 12 2020 04: 23 New
          -3
          Well, let's compare a 3m respirator and a mask that doctors wear.
          The price on the website of the respirator 3m -94 rubles, the price of the mask in the pharmacy is 5 rubles.
          Will we look for a difference in price?
    2. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 10 2020 06: 44 New
      26
      Quote: Clever man
      you owe me after the pension reform!

      Not one of you, owed millions. Who should, they will forgive everyone.
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 10 2020 07: 47 New
        29
        The system forgives its debts to everyone .. By the way, it used to follow football, hockey ... But now, no and don’t. Why all this? When there are more urgent tasks and problems ... However, no! These fucking bookies will come up and they won’t drown .. IT, thanks to this feudal system, will not drown .. Although I personally have never set it. Apparently this area of ​​deception is necessary for our society.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 10 2020 08: 09 New
          +4
          I bet 2 times and won both times. I don’t go there anymore)
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 10 2020 08: 13 New
            +3
            Twice did you teach the mind to understand? Well, you see, it still turns out to be the right Sharashkin desk .. hi
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 10 2020 08: 45 New
          11
          Quote: 210ox
          The system forgives its debts to everyone .. By the way, it used to follow football, hockey ... But now, no, and no. Why all this
          And almost all of this sports party (as well as pop) could easily be exchanged for masks and ventilators. There would only be an opportunity, as they say. Here is the pop crowd, these wretched, galkin, urgants, nabotexin singers with the appearance of girls with reduced social responsibility, and vulgar "let's get married, it was high time to change to ventilators. It is already disgusting to turn on the TV.
          1. Gene84
            Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 11 New
            22
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Already disgusting to turn on the TV.

            good
            The feeling that the vulgarity is specially sucked in from the TV screens.
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 10 2020 14: 33 New
              +1
              No, I do not agree. There is an audience, and a rather big one who likes it all. There is a demand, there will be a supply. On "doma2", nightingales, urgants and the like.
        3. AUL
          AUL April 10 2020 09: 45 New
          12
          Quote: 210ox
          ! These fucking bookies will come out and drown.

          Thimbles do not leave!
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 10 2020 14: 14 New
            +7
            Quote: AUL
            Thimbles do not leave!

            They have it in words, but in fact, they just shoot it.
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 10 2020 12: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, I used to follow football, hockey ... But now, no and don’t. Why all this?

          1. 210ox
            210ox April 10 2020 14: 47 New
            14
            "Most people can work at home" ??? !!! But no. People needed by the country cannot. Turner, doctor, scientist, combine operator, plumber, service engineer? Even a teacher cannot. Two days ago I was convinced In this. Someone works remotely before, for the most part, they puffed out their cheeks, showing their importance. Ten percent of them are really needed, everything else is plankton.
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 16: 03 New
              +4
              People needed by the country cannot.

              In our Kuban, the most relevant professions now are the machine operator and tractor driver.
              It’s not easy for them now to do business.
              1. 210ox
                210ox April 10 2020 16: 21 New
                0
                I know that. By the way, it’s very difficult for a tractor driver to get a job
          2. Revival
            Revival April 10 2020 18: 00 New
            11
            Thanks to coronavirus, we realized:
            1. What a doctor should! be appreciated more than a football player.
            2. That our bureaucracy will not give people a dime.
            In the United States for absenteeism at home $ 1200, we have 0 and 15000r. penalty for withdrawal in the absence of even the law.
        5. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 09 New
          21
          Quote: 210ox
          The system forgives its debts to everyone

          But if you owe the System, try not to give ...
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 10 2020 14: 13 New
            +7
            Quote: Gene84
            But if you owe the System, try not to give ...

            Only cowards give debts! laughing drinks
        6. Vitaly L
          Vitaly L April 11 2020 03: 28 New
          -3
          Good afternoon, there are special programs that make money on bookmakers, engage in forking (forking). Only without special software, this will not work. For example, it will put teams in one office to win, in another office to lose, as a result, the difference is in the feed.
      2. depressant
        depressant April 10 2020 07: 54 New
        18
        From the section "Amazing Nearby".
        Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov recently worriedly stated: despite the coronavirus, the National Welfare Fund in the first quarter grew but 1 trillion rubles. Either they used to lie, or now they lie to consolation, or two and two did not learn how to fold ...
        And McDonald's, mentioned by Roman, is an American LLC on the list of recipients of coronavirus benefits under N 306.
      3. smart ass
        smart ass April 10 2020 08: 13 New
        45
        Forgive me, but it doesn’t fit in my head how to spend the World Cup on football to spend billions on it, and then tell everyone on the central channel that there is no money in retirement ?! Burnt at me
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 10 2020 10: 19 New
          27
          Quote: Clever man
          how can you spend the World Cup on football to spend billions on it, and then tell everyone on the central channel that there is no money in retirement ?!

          so show off, and pensions are life. Flying with Siberian Cranes, it is difficult to see earthly problems - they are so small and people are like insects
        2. depressant
          depressant April 10 2020 11: 19 New
          +4
          The wise guy, the government and the political leadership of the country very eagerly forgive you. Just as they more readily forgive themselves for the lack of proper population support in the coronavirus crisis era, and specifically for you. Absolution for oneself, beloved, becomes an epoch-making sign of the holiness of power.
        3. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 14: 14 New
          16
          Quote: Clever man
          how to hold the World Cup on football, spend billions on it, and then tell everyone on the central channel that there is no money in retirement

          This, probably, was guided by the phrase: "a good show-off is more expensive than money." Like they were raising their image ... And they probably didn't even think about people
        4. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 16: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Clever man
          Burnt at me

          We do not promise bread ... but there will be spectacles!
    3. Svarog
      Svarog April 10 2020 07: 56 New
      25
      It turns out funny: the Russian authorities impose fines of 5000 rubles for leaving home, while in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism. There is a difference, right?

      What else .. I got the feeling that high-ranking officials regard public money as their property ..
      In the USA even! the state is more socially oriented .. this is certainly a disgrace .. How can Zh.Alferov not remember here .. Why do we need such a state ..
      1. depressant
        depressant April 10 2020 09: 17 New
        24
        Yes, a colleague of Svarog, government officials sincerely believe that the Russian budget and the National Welfare Fund are their personal money under the control of bankers. Putin said: we will help everyone. Nabiullina climbed forward and said to the people: Yes, wipe off! There is money, but not about your bydlyatskoy honor.
        Indeed, two-thirds of the budget is formed by hydrocarbons and the accompanying service-glamor, as well as foreign trading companies. Another part is military production. Meanwhile, the majority of the population is employed in small and medium-sized businesses, self-employed and co-workers. From these to the budget - a little more than from a goat of milk. Therefore, apparently, they have no right to life. Economists believe that by mid-May, 30 million jobs will die. Therefore, from self-isolation I observe how people, poor ones, scurry around, spit on a possible death from a virus, go to work, Tajiks - Tajiks! - went to work! I feel sorry for everyone to tears ...
        Here, again, I was upset. Lord, at least not before a new attack, because I will not survive.
        I give the address to which the LIST of 646 recipients of state aid is published.

        Interfax, April 2, 2020, article "A list of 646 strategic organizations of the Russian economy has become known."

        Read and be amazed to amazement.
        There are 100% foreigners, who should be helped by their states, but ours has undertaken to help. For example, Mars, Pepsiko (American Pepsico!), Baltika beer (not ours for a long time), Auchan, Ikea will receive help, others - in fact, the entire foreign section "Wholesale and retail trade", starting with N510 and further - up to N579.
        It’s nice to rummage around in other sections. Our people have a lean shish, and they have a sandwich with butter and caviar. The government does not abandon its! Who is his own.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 10 2020 09: 29 New
          13
          Quote: depressant
          There are 100% foreigners there, whom their states should help, but ours undertook to help.

          -----------------------
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, everything is simple here. They stupidly included enterprises in the amount of revenue collected in the budget, they are technocrats. Therefore, there is a list of all kinds of trade. It doesn’t matter to them, they bake buns or make bets, if only money is dripping, there is no question of the necessary enterprises. And they consider the budget as their feeding trough, from where they need to have a satisfying meal. That's all.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 10 2020 22: 50 New
            0
            It is natural that those who pay more taxes receive more support. Nobody will ruin big business for the sake of small.
            1. blackice
              blackice April 12 2020 04: 36 New
              -3
              [quote] [No one will ruin a big business for the sake of a small one. / quote]

              This is clear. But what about your own electorate, so to speak? We have a type of social state!
              It’s just that politics has become the dirtiest, stinkiest and cheapest prostitute. And our sun-faced man carefully takes care of her, saying to everyone that in reality she is a beauty and not at all a smelly prostitute.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 April 12 2020 10: 38 New
                +1
                So if we take the electorate, then in the public sector, in state corporations, enterprises with state participation, in general large enterprises, in those structures about which support is announced, more people are employed than in small businesses. And he goes to the polls more actively. Small entrepreneurs and their employees are in full view, and therefore it seems that they are the majority. But this is not so.
                1. blackice
                  blackice April 14 2020 10: 42 New
                  -2
                  That is, drawing conclusions from your post, you can imagine that in fact more satisfied with the suns?
                  But what about the statistics, my friend?
                  From where 1/5 of the population living below the poverty line and even more at this limit?
                  Some sort of bad luck in the testimony.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock April 10 2020 10: 21 New
          17
          Quote: depressant
          For example, Mars, Pepsico (American Pepsico!), Baltika beer (not ours for a long time), Auchan, Ikea, and others - in fact, the entire foreign section "Wholesale and retail trade", starting from N510 and further - to N579, will receive help.

          casinos forgot to indicate. This is also the backbone industry of the country.
          1. depressant
            depressant April 10 2020 10: 48 New
            14
            Colleague Overlock, on the offshore "Fonbet" on the Internet, only the lazy has not walked. Meanwhile, the notorious "Fonbet" is 40% a state enterprise. That is, the state openly admits that it works through offshore companies not controlled by the tax service. Well, for me it was surprising only once, when many years ago, Medvedev, talking about the international economic transactions of Russia, calmly, as a matter of course, told about the work of state-owned companies through offshore companies.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 10 2020 13: 30 New
              10
              Quote: depressant
              ... Meanwhile, the notorious "Fonbet" is 40% a state enterprise. That is, the state openly admits that it works through offshore companies not controlled by the tax service.

              our power is a casino request
        3. Altona
          Altona April 10 2020 10: 35 New
          11
          Quote: depressant
          The government does not abandon its! Who are his for him.

          -------------------------
          The rest for him are "Pechenegs and Polovtsians". They said in plain text. laughing laughing
          1. depressant
            depressant April 10 2020 11: 04 New
            10
            The Pechenegs ... Putin’s PR people are elderly, like himself. Once they came together in 2000, they don’t leave together - they don’t leave their own. So we get a hackneyed record. And makeup artists, half-blind from old age. They make up according to the degree of necessary tragic sadness, or lively vivacity, but a puppet excess of blush is obtained.
            I would prefer the truth. At least a kind of natural wilting, at least the words: "People, fuck you nafig!" At least, she would not lose hope only for herself.
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 16: 14 New
              0
              Make-up according to the degree of necessary tragic sadness, or lively vivacity

              Yes, it's just characters - different. Pierrot and Pinocchio.
        4. A.TOR
          A.TOR April 10 2020 15: 07 New
          +2
          Because "they" have huge turnovers, "they" pay taxes in full and on time
        5. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 15 New
          -6
          I don’t know how the Baltics are there, it’s hard to name it as beer, but IKEA trades and pays taxes. Plus, part of its enterprises is located in Russia and our citizens work there. I now have three online orders from IKEA hanging, delivery only after two days, they can’t cope with the flow of orders.
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          2. blackice
            blackice April 12 2020 04: 40 New
            -2
            That's it. He trades. How much does trading work? And how much is in production? And in agriculture? Without Ikea, I’ll make a shelf out of a piece of plywood, but without agriculture I’m not going to eat shelves with Ikea.
    4. Million
      Million April 10 2020 10: 17 New
      +8
      These bastards are more likely to be taken away than returned ..
      They can only divide and take away. And they can only give promises. The president’s word now costs nothing
    5. Yrec
      Yrec April 10 2020 10: 27 New
      +4
      Soon we will go together to vote on the Constitution - Putin to the kingdom!
      1. depressant
        depressant April 10 2020 11: 59 New
        +6
        Therefore, I am in deep thought.
        Do not go - they will draw themselves what they need, and they will provide a view of the crowds of voters in a box — turnout full house! Go and vote against - they will still announce what they need, and again - a full house, which I will now provide with my presence. Such is the chess game with power. I have a pat, and she has a win, I play with her on different boards. On her board, I am always at a loss, on my own, always at a standstill.
        1. Gene84
          Gene84 April 10 2020 13: 58 New
          18
          I understand you very much ... I myself am in the same deep reflection. I don’t know what to do. Go and vote against or not go at all ...
        2. PunisheR
          PunisheR April 11 2020 08: 58 New
          -1
          No difference at all. At the legislative level, everything is ALREADY APPROVED and SIGNED. All readings passed. The COP also approved everything. "People's PACKAGE vote" is just a farce that does not affect anything. Even if 99% vote against it, it will mean nothing. For this is not a REFERENDUM, this is an incomprehensible vote. But, of course, there is a crossroads. It's depressing sad
    6. Siberian54
      Siberian54 April 10 2020 11: 56 New
      +1
      Get back to your friends on F \ F
    7. Gene84
      Gene84 April 10 2020 13: 56 New
      16
      The most annoying thing is that they all understand, but pretend that it should be so.
    8. NF68
      NF68 April 10 2020 18: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Clever man
      “United Russia” with the president together return me 5 years of life and 1 million rubles, you owe me after the pension reform!


      These will definitely be returned. Someday.
    9. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 11 2020 10: 03 New
      -6
      Quote: Clever man
      “United Russia” with the president together return me 5 years of life and 1 million rubles, you owe me after the pension reform!

      laughing good Not only to you !!!!! hi
    10. acetophenon
      acetophenon April 11 2020 17: 47 New
      0
      Did you tell that to someone? Us? We did not take them. President like him? they do not read this resource. You think, well, before you say or write anything. I am sure you will succeed. Well, maybe not the first time ...
  2. Login_Off
    Login_Off April 10 2020 05: 37 New
    +5

    For the sake of interest, I made a tablet on the percentage of patients with coronovirus, depending on the number of people.
    The rightmost column is the percentage of cases.
    So we enter 10 developed and sick countries
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2020 05: 54 New
      24
      Quote: Login_Off
      So we enter 10 developed and sick countries

      Are you sure? As doctors joke: there are no healthy, there are unexplored.
    2. savage1976
      savage1976 April 10 2020 06: 09 New
      25
      All the same, it must be admitted that your tablet is fundamentally incorrect for showing the number of people who are sick, Sweden, Belarus, Estonia have an order of magnitude higher percentage of cases of the population. And this is only a small part of the countries. If you just took a sample of countries by population and number of patients, then you also need to consider the amount of testing conducted in countries. And so it turns out it is not clear that you compared and the conclusions are false.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 10 2020 22: 58 New
        +3
        This plate is only for large states.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 April 11 2020 03: 49 New
          +2
          Large states by what parameter? There are 16 states in the tablet, by population? Italy is 23rd in the world and Spain is 30. What are they doing on the plate? By the size of the economy? So Yanigeria is in 24th place and Bangladesh is in 31st. How to understand? By the number of patients with Covid 19, excluding the population? So here the Russian Federation is in 17th place. Have you chosen 16 countries so that among them the Russian Federation is in the top ten "leaders" according to the parameter you need?
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Login_Off
      The rightmost column is the percentage of cases.

      In general, the larger the population, the greater the percentage of risk of infection. Since the patient is in contact with a large number of people
      A vivid example of Moscow.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 10 2020 07: 12 New
        +7
        More precisely, the higher the population density. Moscow is now a hotbed of infection. Due to the large number of people and high density.

        Yes, I often get a quote on my watsap, allegedly from M.I. Kutuzov: "To save Russia, you need to leave (burn) Moscow."
        1. Login_Off
          Login_Off April 10 2020 07: 49 New
          +1
          Not the country's population density, but a sample of cities with more than 5 million inhabitants.
          Here and see where the measures are taken better.
          I think the best cities will look in Asia)
          1. Zaits
            Zaits April 10 2020 15: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Login_Off
            Not the country's population density, but a sample of cities with more than 5 million inhabitants.


            But what then did you forget Turkey and Iran? Has the moon phase affected?
            Or did you want by some criterion to drag Russia into the top 10 with a muddy wording?

            So it turns out, from whatever direction you look, the list looks very much like manipulation.
      2. Ravil_Asnafovich
        Ravil_Asnafovich April 10 2020 07: 43 New
        +4
        Yeah, someone’s self-isolation, someone’s holiday, as soon as they found out, all the neighboring regions were flooded with 730 thousand cars, all the shops bought sweets, and the meat and meat, and the locals scratched it in immodest places, were perplexed that people had some kind of holiday.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock April 10 2020 10: 23 New
        +8
        Quote: Lipchanin
        In general, the larger the population, the greater the percentage of risk of infection. Since the patient is in contact with a large number of people
        A vivid example of Moscow.

        and if you take globally? Europe -741 million and Russia- 143. Your theory is not confirmed
      4. major147
        major147 April 10 2020 16: 41 New
        +6
        How can there not be so many cases when even from the irons and meat grinders one can hear "There is no virus", "The government is deceiving us." Already the lovers of barbecue "fast" were taken to the hospital. Not everyone from there will go back to families. "Our partners" and their attendants rub their hands with pleasure. They have done well to brainwash many Russians. One storming of a hospital in S. Ossetia demanding to show patients with coronavirus what it is worth. Now the authorities are being attached to this case. Regardless of the outcome, they will be declared guilty of either a large number of patients or economic losses. Zugzwang! What you can't do is bad.
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 April 10 2020 06: 28 New
      +8
      Quote: Login_Off
      So we enter 10 developed and sick countries

      How so ?? Our distribution of coronavirus is not as severe as in other countries! They tell us about this, sending masks with mechanical ventilation devices around the world.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock April 10 2020 10: 25 New
        +8
        Quote: Stas157
        Our distribution of coronavirus is not as severe as in other countries!

        nonsense! Wrong believed! If the reliability of tests from Novosibirsk is 70-80%, then 20-30% of patients slipped by. You can safely add on to those who are just sick in the outback and there are no tests.
      2. major147
        major147 April 10 2020 16: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        sending masks with mechanical ventilation devices around the world.

        There is no sense in a million ventilation devices if only a thousand specialists can work on them.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 10 2020 23: 00 New
        +1
        In fact, this plate just confirms that our distribution of coronavirus is not as severe as in other countries!
    5. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 10 2020 06: 32 New
      13
      Quote: Login_Off
      For the sake of interest, I made a tablet for the percentage of cases

      This all speaks only about how many people have been checked, and not how many are sick.
      In India, 6 are infected. What does this figure tell you?
      ps And I see you on self-isolation.
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off April 10 2020 07: 47 New
        0
        Well, probably you can see everything from the sofa)
        But to your regret, I will say this, I am a civil servant and at work.
        Z.Y. the cant in the table for Germany, one digit on the keyboard was not printed, so Germany is in 3rd place. Russia remained in 8th place.
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 10 2020 07: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Login_Off
          But to your regret, I will say this, I am a civil servant and at work.

          I knew it. The rest is not enough for this time.
          It is clear what public servants are doing at work.
          I did not expect another.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 10 2020 09: 20 New
        11
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        It all says only how many people are checked,

        I propose to conduct internal statistics, of those who read this message to the end winked Put all who underwent examination for coronavirus (minus), who did not pass (Plus)! laughing why minus, because the majority laughing
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth April 11 2020 20: 15 New
          +2
          To blame, the plus sign was to deliver. The hand wavered. wink
          The mini-test was a success! No one who has been examined. With all the consequencessad
    6. Svarog
      Svarog April 10 2020 07: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: Login_Off
      So we enter 10 developed and sick countries

      We only started testing .. yes, and tests of our own production often show a false negative result ..
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off April 10 2020 08: 26 New
        +6

        Not for long.
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 10 2020 16: 24 New
          +1
          The latest "telemetry" technologies (I used to think that the word "telemetry" does not mean TV, hmm ...), so they say that the doctor looking at us from the TV will be able to diagnose us and take samples.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 10 2020 09: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        and in-house tests often show a false negative result ..

        a negative result is not because of their own ... But because in the first place: coronaviruses are all relatives, secondly the test is carried out for the presence of antibodies, and many have already been ill, with a cross virus or somewhere that were immunized from animals for example. There is such a term - immunizing subinfection.
        False negative results everywhere, in China, in Italy, and in America. The exact result will be given only by analysis for viral particles, and this is not the express method, but more complicated.
      3. major147
        major147 April 10 2020 16: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        in-house tests often show a false negative.

        Please provide statistics, or is this your conclusion?
        1. antique
          antique April 10 2020 17: 04 New
          0
          [Quote] [/ quote]
          Laboratory test error 20%. PCR method. This is the cumulative number of both false positive and false negative results.
          1. major147
            major147 April 10 2020 17: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: Antique

            Laboratory test error 20%. PCR method. This is the cumulative number of both false positive and false negative results.

            "Comrade" Svarog once again writes about the unsuitability of domestic test systems. Either they are "100 times worse", then "tests of our own production often show a false negative result .." I wanted to find out the motivation for such statements.
            1. antique
              antique April 10 2020 17: 34 New
              +4
              I do not know who Svarog is, and I do not know his motives even more so. Each laboratory analysis has its own degree of reliability. Which will be influenced by a lot of factors. Starting with taking material. When a smear is taken, there may not be a virus in the material. Because the virus can be very local. This is one of the minuses of PCR, since the method works directly with viral RNA. If blood is taken and antibodies are determined in the plasma, then you need to know that the strength of the immune response is genetically determined. 20% of people are not able to respond to the vaccine given, they will still remain defenseless. And at the same 20%, the synthesis of protective antibodies will not occur during infection. They will give a false negative result.
              In addition, the reliability will be affected by the speed of delivery of the material to the laboratory, transportation conditions, etc.
              The sensitivity of the tests is also different. Due to the fact that in Russia the production of ultrapure materials for biochemistry, molecular biology, virology, etc. is practically absent or at an ancient level, and branded substrates, media, reagents, etc. are crazy money, then the purchase is where it’s cheaper.
              And finally. Fundamental science, and all the more so with regard to genetic engineering, molecular biology, scientific instrumentation, and virology, is either completely destroyed or erases a rather miserable existence. Small scientifically weak teams and laboratories. It's time to learn, no matter how hard it sounds, we are not a developed country. We are a developing country. We are in the third world.
  3. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 10 2020 05: 42 New
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    But how then will the authorities tell us how it defeated the virus from TV screens? What eyes will the first faces speak with?

    With as always honest and impolite.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 10 2020 09: 36 New
      +1
      And you, DMB 75, what were you counting on? That our government can have honest eyes? I don’t remember that!
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 10 2020 09: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: depressant
        That our government can have honest eyes?

        honest eyes do not mean having a conscience, This is nothing more than an acting game
        1. depressant
          depressant April 10 2020 12: 12 New
          +7
          Recently, the actor has been playing very badly. So much so that viewers all over the internet whistle and laugh indecently.
          As a result, the second direct appeal of the actor to the people about the coronavirus, announced in advance by "Look", was transformed into an opening speech at a government meeting - out of harm's way. I didn't even read the excerpts from the "word". Since I can tell you offhand what was in them.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 11 2020 06: 38 New
            +2
            By the way, about the artists who crying singers, on tv there was a phrase that they are losing millions due to the cancellation of concerts .... do we need to feel sorry for them? Will they have support? fool
            1. depressant
              depressant April 11 2020 12: 43 New
              +2
              Dima, they will not be supported. And so good at the ruble corporate parties, tax evasion creatively, like no other. They are a servant of the ruling class, relying on unjustifiably generous tips.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 11 2020 19: 13 New
                +2
                Well yes! They will find a replacement quickly, if that!
                That's what is interesting, Lyudmila, I have 2 aunts ----- Lyudmila Yakovlevna and Lyudmila Nikolaevna. Both for 70. Doctors. They work. There was no talk of self-isolation. They say that there are a lot of pensioners in medicine.
                1. depressant
                  depressant April 11 2020 19: 21 New
                  +1
                  Is one of your aunts my namesake? Both love ))
                  An older horse will not spoil the furrow, if he is not the president))
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid April 11 2020 19: 31 New
                    +1
                    Well yes! laughing laughing One of them, yours love love namesake squared, so to speak. And mother ----- Lyudmila Petrovna, younger than them. And each of them has friends of Lyudmila, Lucy, Mila ...... And there are with the same middle names ...... In how lol
                    1. depressant
                      depressant April 11 2020 19: 37 New
                      +2
                      Dima, God forbid you and all your relatives and friends to survive this terrible time without loss. I wish all the colleagues in the forum the same.
                      Be healthy - that's it! love love
  4. Zolotse
    Zolotse April 10 2020 05: 47 New
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    Well said: "The sanctions have also undergone changes. Not that they were canceled, rather, they were introduced by everyone for everyone." But not all countries are ready for such reversals! So that the owners of the money "blow away" all the financial bubbles they need, and redistribute where they need it. And we just "hold on". And the author's odes about Russian vitality are not so much pleasing as suggesting - why besides her, we have nothing to rely on in our country, under any cabinet of ministers?
    1. depressant
      depressant April 10 2020 09: 46 New
      +5
      Because we, constantly being in the process of survival - not even to a thin fat, to live, did not manage to consolidate in time to organized protests of an economic nature. We were tragically late. As a result, our protest niche was occupied by liberals lured by both our government and the State Department.
  5. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich April 10 2020 05: 49 New
    11
    But how then will the authorities tell us how it defeated the virus from TV screens? What eyes will the first faces speak with?

    However, I am sure that we will all see this again. THANKS TO THE AUTHOR, we will not only see this, but also the total impoverishment of the people, and what will be the consequences ...
    1. depressant
      depressant April 10 2020 12: 37 New
      +2
      With blue, Ravil Asnafovich, with blue. Big and clear. About what decisive measures the headquarters headed by Sobyanin took, how quickly problems with masks and mechanical ventilation were solved, how the heads of the regions behaved valiantly, solving the problems of ordinary people. There will be awards according to the results.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur April 10 2020 05: 54 New
    +9
    Footballers especially, because it suddenly turned out that every costly shredder was less significant than the ventilator. And almost all of this sports party (as well as pop) could easily change on masks and ventilators.

    The idea is absolutely reasonable. Yes, but no one needs this party, unfortunately.
    1. AUL
      AUL April 10 2020 09: 56 New
      +8
      Well what are you! But how will we live without home-2?
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 10 2020 10: 03 New
        +4
        Without Petrosyan and his De-beat show, we somehow adapt to survive, despite self-isolation. drinks
      2. major147
        major147 April 10 2020 16: 49 New
        0
        Quote: AUL
        how will we live without home-2?

        What is it?
  7. seagull
    seagull April 10 2020 06: 08 New
    20

    Neither reduce nor add ....
  8. Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich April 10 2020 06: 27 New
    14
    "Pleased" with the list of strategic enterprises. This is some kind of freak show!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 10 2020 08: 05 New
      13
      Quote: adam khomich
      "Pleased" with the list of strategic enterprises. This is some kind of freak show!

      This is not a panopticon, these are those who are real and are our power (owners, I mean).
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 10 2020 08: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: adam khomich
      "Pleased" with the list of strategic enterprises

      outraged! sad - not for sowing, not for closed stores, but for subsidiaries from network stores! Is there any information on how to counter such a decision ???
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets April 10 2020 08: 28 New
        12
        Quote: aybolyt678
        outraged! sad - not for sowing, not for closed stores, but for subsidiaries from network stores! Is there any information on how to counter such a decision ???

        There is, here it is written “Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism. Popular essay ”- the economic work of V. I. Lenin.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 10 2020 13: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          There is, here it is written "Imperialism, as the highest stage

          and fresher? just don’t understand me that I don’t trust comrade Lenin, I enjoyed reading this essay, just attach figures and facts to today, edit the conclusions, science does not stand still
          1. depressant
            depressant April 10 2020 14: 35 New
            +7
            Unfortunately, aybolyt678, we are living in a critical era when the transition to a new technological track is taking place. Entire branches of industrial production will disappear, and many professions will be unclaimed. Huge crowds of people will become unnecessary and will be thrown into the street. In order to "dispose of" them, a virus is convenient nowadays. I guess covid is just the beginning, a try. To get out of the destructive crisis, do not start a nuclear war between everyone and everyone. The world war was convenient for the ruling class at the beginning of the last century. Now it is hardly possible due to the irreversibility and catastrophic consequences. And there - who knows. Suddenly there are some crazy ...
            In any case, now people are bending in a terrible way. The same retail chains. They offer sharply reduced salaries. If you don’t want to, take a walk, it’s your turn. More recently, finding a seller is a problem, now - crowds at any salary are besieged by personnel departments. And this is despite the danger of infection. Marx, Engels and Lenin are unlikely to be popular. Previously, it was necessary to develop a new theory, earlier. Late. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation sitting in the State Duma is a decayed decoration, there are no modern theorists. The new theory demanded by the era is created by the convinced, passionate, intelligent, endowed with great empathy for all of humanity - the messiah. Not visible and not heard.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 April 10 2020 15: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: depressant
              Unfortunately, aybolyt678, we live in a critical era when a transition to new technological rails is carried out. Entire branches of industrial production will disappear, many professions will be unclaimed.

              I do not quite agree with you, dear Lyudmila. At least in relation to Russia. Imagine that the goal will be to make a fully autonomous state ...
              Immediately there is a shortage of working hands, wild, and brains, especially brains .... sellers they will not always be needed much. What do you think?
              1. depressant
                depressant April 10 2020 20: 29 New
                +2
                I will say this. In the days of Marx, there were strikebreakers with the help of which strikes were suppressed. And now we have Tajiks, an important element of Russian industry, which the industry will never give up. Go on strike in the struggle for your rights - a Tajik, Kyrgyz or Uzbek will immediately take your workplace. They are now even doctors, not just builders. And you will become indignant - an article for nationalism. The country will not be fenced off from them. An autonomous state will fail. Moreover, taking into account Putin's foreign policy ambitions. He has an inferiority complex. As if trying to prove something to Westerners, but not about the country, but about himself. The country is just a plastic material from which he sculpts his image of a great politician, not realizing that under the control of the Central Bank, the IMF and other monetary organizations, his international political deviations sometimes look depressing. To demand from him to isolate himself from the world, to seriously deal with the country is useless. In domestic politics, he goes with the flow, proceeding from the principle "If you cannot rule out disgrace - lead its incarnation", he works like a firefighter who is always late for a fire. I arrived, and the house burned down. Am I gloating? Yes, not at all! Only bitterness.
                In addition, the same Putin will tell you that the people will be against the closure of the state within geographical boundaries, and by the way, will find support among the general population. Let him close himself to the state. This will be the best option.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 April 11 2020 07: 52 New
                  +1
                  Everything is fine! Thank you! unexpected psychoanalysis, the following phrase is not clear:
                  Quote: depressant
                  Let him close himself to the state. This will be the best option.
                2. PunisheR
                  PunisheR April 11 2020 09: 10 New
                  +2
                  You are my heroine love
                  1. depressant
                    depressant April 11 2020 13: 41 New
                    +2
                    Thank you, colleague, for your kind words. love
  9. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 10 2020 06: 28 New
    10
    The virus, like a litmus test, shows everyone, the state, people, and government.
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  11. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 10 2020 06: 34 New
    -16
    Again, everything is wrong and again everyone is not the same, again everything is contrary and guilty again you know who ...
    For some reason, the state pays me for self-isolation and at least another 10000, although according to the author, "we were all robbed and thrown into unpaid vacations" ...
    Yes, and about 1000+ dollars in the USA, this is also something to yourself, they will give someone, and someone will be fired ... Again this is a shovel - "in the west is better" ... The author is probably over 50+?
    Only this generation of pink glasses pro
    The West stuck itself to superglue.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 10 2020 08: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: Cottodraton
      That's why for some reason the state pays for self-isolation and at least 10000 more at least

      You are lucky, unlike the main majority.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 10 2020 08: 38 New
      15
      Quote: Cottodraton
      For some reason, the state pays me for self-isolation and at least another 10000, although according to the author, "we were all robbed and thrown into unpaid vacations" ...

      Laponka .... But the good state suggested that I take out of my pocket almost 25 thousand, in the form of salaries and contributions for a cleaning lady, cleaning up after training, and thirty for rent. Despite the fact that my income somewhere around these 55 and spin. That's just to get these incomes, the same good state forbade me. And it turns out that in addition to two daughters, myself and me, my husband must also contain a cleaning lady and the city budget. As if too much for one working. Do not find? Naturally, our good state goes through the forest, field and mountains, with its own innovations. And Mr. Putin, since he is so kind, can finance both sn and contributions and rent from his own pocket. .
      Quote: Cottodraton
      although according to the author, "we were all robbed and thrown into unpaid vacations" ...

      Not? Not robbed? Did I rob the poor cleaning lady, refusing to leave my daughters hungry and give her husband's salary to her?
      1. major147
        major147 April 10 2020 19: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Quote: Cottodraton
        For some reason, the state pays me for self-isolation and at least another 10000, although according to the author, "we were all robbed and thrown into unpaid vacations" ...

        Laponka .... But the good state suggested that I take out of my pocket almost 25 thousand, in the form of salaries and contributions for a cleaning lady, cleaning up after training, and thirty for rent. Despite the fact that my income somewhere around these 55 and spin. That's just to get these incomes, the same good state forbade me. And it turns out that in addition to two daughters, myself and me, my husband must also contain a cleaning lady and the city budget. As if too much for one working. Do not find? Naturally, our good state goes through the forest, field and mountains, with its own innovations. And Mr. Putin, since he is so kind, can finance both sn and contributions and rent from his own pocket. .
        Quote: Cottodraton
        although according to the author, "we were all robbed and thrown into unpaid vacations" ...

        Not? Not robbed? Did I rob the poor cleaning lady, refusing to leave my daughters hungry and give her husband's salary to her?

        Open up, work! Let your customers take a break! Do you tend to this?
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 10 2020 09: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: Cottodraton
      That's why the state pays me

      nothing, comrades with the Mausers will come for you! laughing
    4. Revival
      Revival April 10 2020 18: 42 New
      +1
      The state is determined by that attitude to the overwhelming majority, and here we have just the vast majority abandoned and forgotten.
      For example, no one pays me, here is the same private example as yours
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 10 2020 23: 10 New
        +2
        Pensioners, state employees, civil servants, security officials, employees of large continuous enterprises just constitute 60-70 percent.
        1. Revival
          Revival April 11 2020 00: 47 New
          +1
          Germany IE up to 5 people: 5000 euros + another 5000 euros, for example, the Berlin Region and not some "phonbet", OKWED codes to one in a million, but all.
          Now compare and bring such support measures with us.
          Have something to say, give an example?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 11 2020 03: 04 New
            0
            German entrepreneurs pay taxes regularly. We need to support only those who pay taxes and formalize their employees officially. I would help these workers in the first place. And those dishonest employers who take people to work informally, on the contrary, would be ruined. These are crooks, not businessmen. This fact is proved - no help, on the contrary, sanctions, despite the epidemic.
            And so, small and medium-sized businesses account for 20% of Russia's GDP. And it employs about a quarter of the workers. And its share in collected taxes is lower. Moreover, in real production, the percentage of SMEs is much less. Mostly the sphere of trade and services. This includes both the entrepreneurs themselves and their employees. On the one hand, a rather significant percentage. On the other hand, it clearly does not dominate the country's economy. it should be borne in mind that medium-sized business differs in many respects from small, and there is also micro-business.
            And so, the myth of SMEs is conveniently maintained for a number of reasons. In fact, in Russia it will never become the predominant sector of the economy. Its function is more social, a means of reducing official unemployment. And people who are often engaged in it do not possess any entrepreneurial talents. Often there is only one motive: I do not want to work for my uncle. But at the same time I will exploit my employees, underpay them, and often not formally, and behave rudely towards them. For some reason, in large enterprises, in large structures, people are better treated in most cases.
            1. Revival
              Revival April 11 2020 03: 56 New
              0
              So IP pays taxes once it is registered!
              What is this division: "only 20% of GDP", that is, you can not help?
              So where is the help?
              I gave you an example of assistance in Germany, I’m waiting for your counterexample with us.
              Or do you admit that we were "thrown" because of "insignificance", that is, taxes were taken by the state, and help was zeroed?
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  13. LORD-72
    LORD-72 April 10 2020 06: 36 New
    28

    In short ...
  14. savage1976
    savage1976 April 10 2020 06: 36 New
    +6
    All the same, the author is too critical in his conclusions and does not take into account many of the features of both humanity and power and society. Self-isolation, but legally there is no term. And show in what law exists and is the definition of the term "life" given? Not in any. There are no legal laws that explain what this term means. So all the murderers serving time were convicted illegally ?! Somewhere the measures of the authorities are not thought out, I agree, self-isolation with salary retention, cool, and pay the salary of the Lord of the powers that be, your invention. Stupid, ill-considered idea. But, in fact, the introduction of quarantine for schoolchildren (vacations and subsequent non-entry to educational institutions) is a serious help to doctors in the non-spread of infection. In fact, 20 million people (15% of the population) are excluded from the spread of infection. There are many measures, some are superfluous, and somewhere there is a reinsurance. You can always undo some measures when the situation changes. So, thanks to the authorities, the situation with the spread of the virus in our country is stable, although somewhere in spite of it. And the measures announced by the president in addressing the nation begin to operate not from the moment of the appeal, but from the moment the proposals are made into a legally binding decree, law, decree. The military retreats not when someone cricket "retreat", but when a prepared order comes in which says who, where, from where and during what time must retreat.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas April 10 2020 07: 33 New
      13
      My schoolchildren are both at home and my wife, and I'm at work metallurgy! In the lunch room, no more than 4 people, and a team of 25 people divided the lunch into three parts ... The question is how to dine 25 people in three lunches, no more than 4 people? wassat And leaving the workplace according to the schedule at 8:00, in the shower 12 booths 16-18 people wash at the same time .... Question, I can drag the virus home, where are the children and his wife in quarantine? Yesterday, an Internet poll was conducted in a local group of the city, so 75% did not touch quarantine, people work .... Here you have measures and half measures fool
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 April 10 2020 07: 48 New
        +6
        But 25% therefore affected. My wife works every day, I work every day. Energy, life support, what can you do, not everyone was lucky for a paid weekend :). And at home there are two tomboys, after working with them, do the same lessons that I forgot 30 years ago.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas April 10 2020 11: 31 New
          +3
          So I’m talking about what, I understand that it’s necessary to reduce people's contacts. So I brought measures and half measures at work, where they seem to adhere to restrictions, but somehow one-sided! By the way, disinfection consists in the position in each of the three bathrooms, a bar of soap wassat When he said cancel shift counter, and it was a month ago, they looked like a fool fool I got it all the same, now I am trying to disinfect the same magazine using key tags, one for four teams, about 110 people, and these notorious tags so that they can be disinfected after each team and you know how they look at me again bully that's what I'm talking about ..... a kind of ostentatious care!
          1. savage1976
            savage1976 April 10 2020 11: 39 New
            +1
            And in the end, as always, the upper classes seem to be trying to do something, secure, reduce it, but on the lower levels it all comes down to unsubscribing, imitating ebullient activity, but of course, GDP is to blame for all the troubles. He did not disinfect the toilet and did not clean the tool and the shift at the factory was not so. :)
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 10 2020 23: 12 New
          +1
          Lucky my parents. If they did my homework, it’s probably only in the first grade.)
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 April 10 2020 10: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Popuas
        The question is how to dine for 25 people in three lunches, not more than 4 people? And leaving the workplace according to the schedule at 8:00, in the shower 12 booths 16-18 people wash at the same time .... Question, I can bring the virus home,

        And easy. I will try to help (18 years in commissioning and installation). Find a suitable stool at the workplace (bucket, gas pipe, etc.) - sit down. Then take a sandwich in one hand and a thermos in the other. Have lunch. You will be surprised, but you can eat like this for decades.
        Regarding the soul - just try to get home dirty and wash there.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas April 10 2020 11: 22 New
          +5
          What are you funny winnie negative and the deprivation of 100% sn you do not want for it request on a stool, and even in the dust, violation of personal hygiene, during the "high-risk regime" .... yes yes it is now called that, not an emergency, not a quarantine! And about washing at home, I live 40 km from work, like many others, the days when you could find work near the house have passed ...
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 April 10 2020 11: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Popuas
            What a funny Winnie you are, and you don't want 100% salary deprivation for it on a stool, even in dust, violation of personal hygiene, during the "high-risk regime"

            Popuas, we seem to be with you on different planets. All my life I eat buns and sandwiches, provided there is no canteen. I have not received a single fine.
            Quote: Popuas
            And about washing at home, I live 40 km from work, like many, the times have passed when you could find work near the house ...

            So what? I have a bunch of objects for 100-200 km. You are funny, Popuas. You’re not afraid to pick up a fungus or carpet in the factory shower, and go home dirty - horror-horror
        2. savage1976
          savage1976 April 10 2020 11: 41 New
          +2
          You can take a shower one by one, it is not necessary for all 18 workers to break under one shower.
          1. LKW UE
            LKW UE April 10 2020 22: 20 New
            +1
            In Germany, in the Bureau of the registration of loading and unloading, there are antiseptics for arms and hands, sometimes forced to wash and stand 1,5-2 meters apart, but the pen is signed for all one ...))
            1. Liam
              Liam April 10 2020 22: 23 New
              +1
              That's why they put an antiseptic. I signed up and washed my hands
        3. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 14 New
          14
          Quote: Winnie76
          Regarding the soul - just try to get home dirty and wash there

          Especially dirty and sweaty in a minibus during rush hour ...
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor April 10 2020 10: 12 New
      +2
      ek you turn concepts .. that self-isolation is good and that’s why it is necessary .. Yes, no one will argue with you that it’s good against the virus .. it's just that the law has already coined the term QUARANTINE! the effectiveness, if we talk about it, is much higher .. but .. it’s necessary to feed people only at the expense of the state, and for the epidemic it’s as if normal, this is one of the functions of the state and there is ... and there wouldn’t be anyone dissatisfied, because NADO .. not dissatisfied with the fight against the virus, but its implementation is incomprehensible. And by the way, about the killers, they are convicted of causing death, so the example is incorrect, about the selection of life is not written ..
      And so .. they self-isolated for free, while at least half of the population continued to work, and now there’s something (coronavirus and self-isolation) to write off price increases and tightened belts ..
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 April 10 2020 11: 24 New
        +2
        Read the legislation and show a specific article that says that people will have to be fed at the expense of the state. About life and causing death, an example may not be correct, I agree, but the constitution says "everyone has the right to life" and there is not a single legal document that explains what life is (what is death). So, legally, the concept of life as well as self-isolation is incapable? In the case of self-isolation, the authorities are empowered to introduce new terms, interpret them and demand compliance. According to Art. 80 of the constitution, the president has the right to issue decrees, he has issued a decree on days off in order to ensure sanitary and epidemic safety, he has the right, and the introduction of an emergency preparedness regime has the right, and it is up to him to decide which regime to introduce.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor April 10 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          I will continue your logic .. It is enough to come up with a term not stipulated by the legislation .. well, for example, "humananihillation" and you can, for example, issue a decree-permission to the security forces, for example, from a major and above, peopleanigillate those who do not like it, because this is humananigillation, not murder .. well why not? there is no such term in the legislation, so you can issue a decree using it and come up with an interpretation .. as I understand it, the concept of such a "decree" fits into your logic entirely ..
          Do you know .. there is a concept of legal expediency and certainty in law .. Laws should be developed on its basis, as an example, they don’t give 5 years in prison for speeding, but what you are telling is an attempt to just use the saying about the law and drawbar .. but only as rude as an ax operation to do ..
          1. savage1976
            savage1976 April 10 2020 12: 38 New
            0
            Imagine, everything has already been invented before you and it is called Defense of the Motherland, performance of official duties and many other legal terms for situations when it is necessary to liquidate a person and nothing will happen for this. Legal expediency is all great and good. But the norms of the law according to which the state, when introducing quarantine or emergency situations, the state of emergency will feed everyone at your own expense, you could not bring. Try (it will be easier) to read the presidential decree on weekends and find the term "self-isolation" there, you will not find it. So, legally, it is not in the documents. There are days off in the country. On the ground, leaders have the right to introduce an emergency preparedness regime and an emergency regime on the territories. For example, in Moscow, an emergency preparedness mode has been introduced. And in this situation, Mayor Sobyanin has the right, in accordance with the law on emergency situations, to impose restrictions on the movement of citizens, on the work of organizations and much more. I can’t speak for all regions, but mine also contains a resolution of the Governor on readiness for an emergency. And all this is within the framework of the current laws. And you should read them. And yes, a lot of surgical operations have been performed topromm and many lives have been saved.
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon April 10 2020 13: 24 New
              -1
              Moreover, the preparedness regimes for only a year in each region in certain territories are introduced 40 times: they discovered rabies and go ahead - take measures.

              In addition, in no region when emergency situations were introduced, no one ever paid a salary from the budget.

              Yes, the measures are difficult and in many respects cause negative consequences and will lead to serious consequences (rent an office for rent, for whom employees pay salary, etc.), but the goal in this case is to reduce the number of patients in heavy form, those. to reduce the burden on medical organizations, which no one had ever hoped to take several hundred heavy at a time.

              And the author’s article is largely nonsense: from stories about saving buckwheat, a cold life-giving climate, and always guilty of GDP (for some reason, only when he really mumbles about it is silent. Probably because there is not enough knowledge to write a normal text).
              In the meantime, the facts remain as follows: countries where there is free medicine (even such neglected as ours) more or less hold on; countries where they immediately began to take harsh measures to restrict the movement of citizens hold on; countries where everyone was blamed on doctors and whining about the rights to freedom of movement are suffocating.
              1. savage1976
                savage1976 April 10 2020 16: 26 New
                +2
                They will listen to iksperdov a la "Katya from Facebook" and then let's carry a blizzard, "now they will introduce quarantine and they will write off all our loans, they will bring home pizza with martini and generally provide life in chocolate". And the mind is not enough to read the laws. Here even the knowledgeable Google is powerless.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor April 10 2020 18: 32 New
                  0
                  Did you feel offended that I compared your operation with legal norms with the operation that the surgeon does with an ax? Well, excuse me - it looks like that .. and now point by point:

                  1. "Imagine, everything has already been invented before you and this is called the Defense of the Motherland, the performance of official duties and many other legal terms for situations when it is necessary to liquidate a person and nothing will happen for this."

                  And what does the defense of the Motherland have to do with your use of the concepts of "self-isolation is also normal"? At the same time, you write "before you invented everything," so, dear man, and before you, they came up with everything without a new term - "self-isolation", what when you are answered with your own logic in a mirror image, but not according to yours, are indignant right away?

                  2. "But the norms of the law according to which the state, when introducing quarantine or emergency situations, the state of emergency will feed everyone at your own expense, you could not bring."

                  About the rules of the law you did not ask me, why did you conclude that I can not bring them?
                  Well, I bring: The Unified State System for Prevention and Response to Emergencies (RSES). The RFES was established in 1995 in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 5, 1995 No. 1113 (expired) after the adoption of the Federal Law of December 21.12.1994, 68 No. 18.04.1992-FZ “On the Protection of the Population and Territory from Natural and Technogenic Emergencies” on the basis of the previously established Russian system of warning and action in emergency situations (decree of the Government of the RSFSR of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX).
                  One of the powers is the implementation of measures for the social protection of the population affected by emergencies, and the holding of humanitarian actions;
                  This is including-FEED, I said feed .. I'm about to pay a salary, I did not write anywhere! why are you blaming me for this, have you thought of me?

                  Well, let's do the operation with an ax and do, why scalpels? Yes? Have you ever brought a single law that dear man, apart from desperate defense of the President's decree? Or you could not understand the phrase "implementation of measures for social protection of the population affected by emergencies, carrying out humanitarian actions" is about the Unified State System for the Prevention and Response of Emergency Situations (RSChS) .. you probably just did not know about RSChS, well, as I could I tried to convey to you, otherwise tell me that even during an earthquake (this is also an emergency), no one is obliged to feed people .. hi
                  1. savage1976
                    savage1976 April 11 2020 06: 08 New
                    +2
                    Federal Law of 21.12.1994 N 68-FZ (revised from 01.04.2020) "On the protection of the population and territories from natural and man-made emergencies."
                    Article 11. Powers of state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local authorities in the field of protection of the population and territories from emergency situations

                    1. State authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation:

                    a) adopt laws and other regulatory legal acts in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature in accordance with federal laws;

                    b) prepare and maintain in readiness the necessary forces and means to protect the population and territories from emergency situations, as well as train the population in the field of protection against emergency situations;

                    c) make decisions on carrying out evacuation measures in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature and ensure their implementation;

                    d) provide information to the public about emergency situations;

                    e) organize and conduct emergency rescue and other urgent work in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature, and also maintain public order during their conduct; if their own resources and resources are insufficient, they turn to the Government of the Russian Federation for assistance;

                    f) carry out financing of measures in the field of protection of the population and territories from emergency situations;

                    g) create reserves of financial and material resources for the liquidation of emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature;

                    h) promote the sustainable functioning of organizations in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature;

                    i) has lost force. - Federal Law of 22.08.2004 N 122-ФЗ;

                    j) assist the federal executive body authorized to solve problems in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations in providing sites for installation and (or) in installing specialized technical means of warning and informing the population in places of mass residence of people, as well as in providing available technical devices for the distribution of media products, the allocation of air time in order to timely alert and inform the public on emergency situations and training the population in the field of emergency protection;

                    k) make decisions on making lump-sum cash payments to citizens of the Russian Federation in cases of emergencies of a natural and man-made nature, including determining cases of making lump-sum cash payments, as well as the circle of people to whom these payments will be made;

                    l) make decisions on classifying emergencies as emergencies of a regional or intermunicipal nature, introduce a high alert or emergency regime for the relevant management bodies and forces of the unified state emergency prevention and response system;

                    m) establish the regional level of response in the manner established by paragraph 8 of Article 4.1 of this Federal Law;

                    n) carry out the creation of a system for providing calls to emergency services using a single number "112", ensure its operation and development;

                    o) create and maintain in constant readiness systems for warning and informing the public about emergency situations;

                    p) collect information in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergencies and exchange such information, ensure, including using a comprehensive system of emergency notification of the population about the threat of or emergence of emergency situations, timely notification of the population about the threat of or occurrence of emergency inter-municipal and regional situations;

                    c) establish the organization procedure and ensure the implementation of regional state supervision in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations of a regional, inter-municipal and municipal nature, taking into account the procedure for conducting state supervision in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations, established by the Government of the Russian Federation;

                    r) develop and approve action plans for the prevention and liquidation of emergency situations on the territory of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation;

                    s) establish the rules of conduct that are binding on citizens and organizations when a high alert or emergency regime is introduced in accordance with subparagraph "m" of this paragraph;

                    t) taking into account the specifics of an emergency situation on the territory of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation or the threat of its occurrence in pursuance of the rules of conduct established in accordance with subparagraph "a.2" of Article 10 of this Federal Law, may establish additional rules of conduct that are binding on citizens and organizations when introducing a regime of high readiness or an emergency in accordance with subparagraph "a.1" of Article 10 of this Federal Law.

                    Read and execute clause "U" in accordance with the duties of citizens prescribed in this law. They wrote the rules of conduct for you and called them "self-isolation mode". What you don’t like doesn’t mean that it doesn’t concern you. A "quarantine" regime was introduced which would violate the Federal Law of 30.03.1999 N 52-FZ (as amended on 26.07.2019) "On the Sanitary and Epidemiological Well-Being of the Population", since Covid-19 is not classified as a disease for which quarantine, vyb here the same itself painted as laws are not respected, your alleged rights are violated and the authorities do nothing.
              2. Vladimir B.
                Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 13 New
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                Quote: Blackgrifon
                Probably because there is not enough knowledge to make out the text normally

                If you have complete order with your knowledge, then "fill up" the article, and we will discuss it yes
            2. Revival
              Revival April 10 2020 23: 32 New
              +1
              Now, if the Government of the Russian Federation had introduced the emergency mode, then the Moscow mayor could have introduced, and now legally it’s like exceeding his capabilities by his independent decree
              1. savage1976
                savage1976 April 11 2020 03: 34 New
                +1
                Federal Law of December 21, 1994 N 68-FZ "On the protection of the population and territories from natural and man-made emergencies"

                Article 11. Powers of state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local authorities in the field of protecting the population from and territories from emergency situations

                1. State authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation:

                a) adopt laws and other regulatory legal acts in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature in accordance with federal laws;

                b) prepare and maintain in readiness the necessary forces and means to protect the population and territories from emergency situations, as well as train the population in the field of protection against emergency situations;

                c) make decisions on carrying out evacuation measures in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature and ensure their implementation;

                d) provide information to the public about emergency situations;

                e) organize and conduct emergency rescue and other urgent work in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature, and also maintain public order during their conduct; if their own resources and resources are insufficient, they turn to the Government of the Russian Federation for assistance;

                f) carry out financing of measures in the field of protection of the population and territories from emergency situations;

                g) create reserves of financial and material resources for the liquidation of emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature;

                h) promote the sustainable functioning of organizations in emergency situations of an inter-municipal and regional nature;

                i) expired on January 1, 2005.

                See the text of subparagraph "and" of paragraph 1 of Article 11

                j) assist the federal executive body authorized to solve problems in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations in providing sites for installation and (or) in installing specialized technical means of warning and informing the population in places of mass residence of people, as well as in providing available technical devices for the distribution of media products, the allocation of air time in order to timely alert and inform the public on emergency situations and training the population in the field of emergency protection;

                k) make decisions on making lump-sum cash payments to citizens of the Russian Federation in cases of emergencies of a natural and man-made nature, including determining cases of making lump-sum cash payments, as well as the circle of people to whom these payments will be made;

                l) make decisions on classifying emergencies as emergencies of a regional or intermunicipal nature, introduce a high alert or emergency regime for the relevant management bodies and forces of the unified state emergency prevention and response system;

                m) establish the regional level of response in the manner established by paragraph 8 of Article 4.1 of this Federal Law;

                n) carry out the creation of a system for providing calls to emergency services using a single number "112", ensure its operation and development;

                o) create and maintain in constant readiness systems for warning and informing the public about emergency situations;

                p) collect information in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergencies and exchange such information, ensure, including using a comprehensive system of emergency notification of the population about the threat of or emergence of emergency situations, timely notification of the population about the threat of or occurrence of emergency inter-municipal and regional situations;

                c) establish the organization procedure and ensure the implementation of regional state supervision in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations of a regional, inter-municipal and municipal nature, taking into account the procedure for conducting state supervision in the field of protecting the population and territories from emergency situations, established by the Government of the Russian Federation;

                r) develop and approve action plans for the prevention and liquidation of emergency situations on the territory of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation;

                s) establish the rules of conduct that are binding on citizens and organizations when a high alert or emergency regime is introduced in accordance with subparagraph "m" of this paragraph;

                t) taking into account the specifics of an emergency situation on the territory of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation or the threat of its occurrence in pursuance of the rules of conduct established in accordance with subparagraph "a.2" of Article 10 of this Federal Law, may establish additional rules of conduct that are binding on citizens and organizations when introducing a regime of high readiness or an emergency in accordance with subparagraph "a.1" of Article 10 of this Federal Law.

                Meet once you yourself do not know how to use the search. Item "M".
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor April 11 2020 06: 26 New
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                  You are right, there is point M, I’m telling you about this, or relate it to emergency situations or not .. You operate the law, this is correct, but bad luck is there is no law on self-isolation, let's then come up with a new term, right? and again we return to what I said about the new term and to what you said, everything was invented before you ..

                  P.S. If necessary, as a lawyer, and the justification for the destruction of all, for example, the country's chickens, justified by the norms of the law .. But it will still be pulling a poor owl on the globe .. is it necessary? You can justify everything with the law .. sometimes truth is legal logic, it’ll turn out very curve .. as with self-isolation ..

                  P.P.S. Federal Constitutional Law of 30.05.2001 N 3-FKZ (as amended on 03.07.2016) "On the state of emergency"
                  Article 11. Measures and time limits applicable during the imposition of a state of emergency

                  The decree of the President of the Russian Federation on the introduction of a state of emergency for the period of the state of emergency may provide for the introduction of the following measures and time limits:
                  a) full or partial suspension in the territory on which a state of emergency has been introduced of the powers of the executive authorities of the subject (subjects) of the Russian Federation, as well as local authorities; +
                  b) the establishment of restrictions on the freedom of movement in the territory on which the state of emergency was introduced, as well as the introduction of a special regime for entering and leaving the specified territory, including the establishment of restrictions on the entry into and the stay of foreign citizens and stateless persons on it; +
                  c) strengthening the protection of public order, objects subject to state protection, and objects ensuring the livelihoods of the population and the functioning of transport; +
                  d) the establishment of restrictions on the implementation of certain types of financial and economic activities, including the movement of goods, services and financial resources; +
                  e) the establishment of a special procedure for the sale, acquisition and distribution of food and basic necessities; -
                  f) prohibition or restriction of the holding of meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets, as well as other mass events; +
                  g) the prohibition of strikes and other methods of suspension or termination of organizations; +
                  h) restriction of the movement of vehicles and their inspection; +
                  i) suspension of the activities of hazardous industries and organizations that use explosive, radioactive, as well as chemically and biologically hazardous substances; -
                  j) the evacuation of material and cultural property to safe areas in the event that there is a real threat of their destruction, theft or damage due to emergency circumstances.

                  those. in addition to the evacuation of values ​​(optional), and the suspension of hazardous production, as well as the establishment of a special procedure for the sale, purchase and distribution of food, everything is already introduced - if something looks like an emergency, acts like an emergency, the consequences like an emergency - why call it self-isolation?

                  but this is clause 29 of the above Law: Persons who have suffered as a result of circumstances that have served as the basis for the imposition of a state of emergency, or in connection with the application of measures to eliminate such circumstances or liquidate their consequences, are provided with accommodation, material damage caused is compensated, assistance is provided in employment and the necessary assistance is provided on the terms and in the manner established by the Government of the Russian Federation.

                  Because of this, they did not introduce an emergency. So as not to bother with the people and their needs ..

                  PPP.S Why do you accuse me of not being able to use the search for arguments for your position? I defend my own, your alien to me, you justify it for her and look for it yourself)
                  1. savage1976
                    savage1976 April 11 2020 08: 32 New
                    +1
                    Emergency introduced? No. There is an emergency preparedness. Are there any victims of the emergency? No. There are patients who receive all the necessary medical assistance. Are there any destroyed buildings, structures, dwellings from emergencies? No. To whom should be provided? Quarantine is introduced in relation to individual citizens and they are offered a choice independently on the basis of their place of residence, they provide their isolation or in places determined by the state (employers for visiting workers). Have you lost your job from being on alert? Go to the Labor Exchange. They just increased the amount of payments to those who lost their jobs. You have not lost your job, your employer pays your salary for the time of the announced weekend. You work in connection with the type of activity, so you receive your salary as in normal hours. You are an entrepreneur and incur losses, so you yourself have chosen your activity and must initially understand that your activity is carried out at your own peril and risk. During readiness for an emergency, you are obliged to follow the instructions and orders of the state authorities. Authorities. They said to close and stay at home, if you please, close and stay at home. The authorities, in accordance with the law on emergencies, have developed a set of measures aimed at combating the threat of the spread of the virus and have defined this complex by the general name "self-isolation regime", this is how a citizen or just a person who has got into the zone of this regime to fulfill its requirements. It will be necessary to introduce an emergency regime instead of readiness, the relevant persons in power will take these decisions.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor April 11 2020 15: 05 New
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                      I mean no injuries? sick / dead - aren't they affected? and who then suffered from epidemiological emergencies?
                      In case of an epidemiological emergency, destruction is not supposed by law, but emergency in connection with the epidemic is prescribed by law.
                      You know, I'm by type of work, I’m used to not losing the essence of the dispute hi .
                      Why are you now describing to me what is being done now? I know this .. We were initially talking about the emergence of the concept of "Self-isolation", in the presence of the law on emergency situations, which has been justified and adopted for a long time, for today's situation it is calculated, that's all .. And you have already suffered somewhere .. In principle, I applaud you, you are now, and quite subtly, trying to present the conversation as an explanation to me what self-isolation is, but after all, we were initially discussing the invented term itself, the need for its appearance - nothing more ..
                      1. savage1976
                        savage1976 April 11 2020 16: 12 New
                        -1
                        In which article of the emergency law is the introduction of quarantine written? What should the authorities do when introducing emergency preparedness? And for one thing all the same, bring an article of the law according to which the state in emergency mode should feed everyone, not provide social support measures, but feed. You wrote so.
                      2. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor April 11 2020 17: 31 New
                        0
                        Dear savage1976, it isn’t even written about self-isolation there, it is written about quarantine in another reference legal act, I wrote about feed earlier:
                        "One of the powers is the implementation of measures for the social protection of the population affected by the emergency, carrying out humanitarian actions;"

                        You don’t even read what I’m writing .. I feel the dispute is going on exactly with a non-lawyer, but I directly feel that I am a techie (I have the first technical one, therefore I understand you), who needs to write everything down to the point as in the instructions, and in the laws rarely, the world is too multifaceted, with the exception of perhaps the tax code, but everything there is not reflected at 100 percent .. and you won’t understand me anyway .. hi
                      3. savage1976
                        savage1976 April 12 2020 00: 23 New
                        0
                        So the mention of quarantine in the Federal Law on Emergencies was not found. So then what kind of quarantine should authorities introduce in your opinion? Ah, they have to break the laws, right? And they didn’t find a feed, but you shouted that they should feed, the herd should not be a lawyer, and the techie is so-so, lost in 3 letters. I understand that in the 90s with education it was not really. It turns out the world is multifaceted, and it turns out the laws are not perfect. Well, maybe ask the virus or wait for something else until the laws are corrected, well, or take on (personal) responsibility for inaction in an epidemic. But there, in the Federal Law on Emergencies, it is written about a complex of regime-organizational measures, but of course this does not mean anything to you. A set of organizational and organizational measures, this is quarantine. And you want it to be introduced on the basis of your wanted, and not on the basis of laws and the conditions created.
                      4. savage1976
                        savage1976 April 12 2020 04: 36 New
                        0
                        Sorry for the rude remark in the previous post.
  • Revival
    Revival April 10 2020 18: 45 New
    +2
    The definition of life is a matter of science and it is, and the regime of "self-isolation" is a legal term legally significant, therefore it must be in the law.
    Your example is completely incorrect
  • Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian April 10 2020 06: 43 New
    -17
    I love juggling and silent ... 1200 bucks are paid only to those who have fulfilled some norms until that moment - that is, they worked and paid taxes with a certain length of service, and not to everyone as the article says loudly. Yes, and the whole article as a whole, if only to poke yes into Putin, throw a stone or something else at the Kremlin or something else to throw at the fan ... although yes, it was high with minibuses ... I hope with the next election the percentage of his presence in the thoughts and council will be reduced factor of
    1. Revival
      Revival April 11 2020 04: 02 New
      -2
      I love the comments of those who are not in the subject, like yours:
      In the United States, they even included in the assistance program (due to the difficult situation, as an exception), who did not participate previously in deductions, that is, all sorts of freelancers, etc.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 11: 30 New
        -1
        We, in Russia, can be self-employed and not pay taxes. In the United States, this is not possible, with rare exceptions.
  • Yura
    Yura April 10 2020 06: 53 New
    -5
    If the state had not done anything for some, there would have been a holiday, that would have been expanse for them, it would have been dance on bones. If the state did something, then it was a holiday again for them, but how could it be - after all, it did everything wrong, there are few patients and corpses to arm themselves with a mantra about the total genocide of the Russian people. To those in the US who are on the heap
    in the USA, mountains of corpses,
    they probably don’t care what
    in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism.
    I don’t understand the worse it is to stay at home, although at risk
    fines under 5000 rubles for leaving the house
    but not in the middle of a mountain, similar to what is in the USA. And yes
    But how then will the authorities tell us how it defeated the virus from TV screens? What eyes will the first faces speak with?
    because we know that she has nothing to do with it, the author did it, because this article is the fruit of overwork in the fight against coronovirus is an irrefutable confirmation of his unprecedented selfless deed.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 12 New
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      Quote: Jura
      mantra about the total genocide of the Russian people

      Who wrote about this? I did not see for some reason, probably there are no such ...
    2. Revival
      Revival April 10 2020 23: 36 New
      0
      Of course they do not care that the state gives them financial assistance of $ 1200 per person, they probably even refuse, people without this money are better. Yes?
  • MP
    MP April 10 2020 06: 59 New
    -12
    Again, the author is to blame for the lawyers and economists. I did not even read this nonsense. Dear author, if you want to be a plumber, be one, but why pour dirt on people of other professions?
    1. Li17
      Li17 April 10 2020 07: 23 New
      +2
      Don't want to read and consider yourself smart? Well, write on this topic so that it is clear! My mother-in-law loved to express her level so much, but to drive them to the field ... and let them be smart! True, then after a couple of questions to the "proletarian" as it quickly reeled off to the garden! The author is to blame for such lawyers and economists who have "weight" not because of their knowledge, but because of their party status! At least we are not Ukraine with its showmen, but also enough ...
    2. dauria
      dauria April 10 2020 07: 26 New
      -5
      I did not even read this nonsense.


      This is not nonsense, this is a cry from the heart .... laughing For a fee, of course. He says that the country does not give a pension and the government did not protect it from a meteorite fall. There is no electricity, there is no water and gas, no garbage can be taken out, ice batteries, the army ran away with the police, the border guards left. There is no country in which the author could easily breathe.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 10 2020 07: 42 New
      13
      The author just noted that plumbers, doctors, janitors, just showed their need. But you have absolutely undisguised contempt for the profession of a plumber.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 April 10 2020 10: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        But you have absolutely undisguised contempt for the profession of a plumber.

        And he just does not like the proletarians, they probably stole galoshes from him.
        1. major147
          major147 April 10 2020 19: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: AK1972
          And he just doesn’t like proletarians,

      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 24 New
        -4
        And what is wrong with the plumbers? This is a highly paid profession, if special with hands from the right place. I recently redid communications here and changed the plumbing in the apartment, gave a quarter for the work. Sorry, 25 tyr per day is not given to everyone to earn.
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 10 2020 08: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Mpx
      I did not even read this nonsense.

      And you don’t read anything at all, it’s harmful. Watch TV better.
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    6. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 11 New
      14
      Quote: Mpx
      economists to blame

      Is not it? Is it that our mechanics, the turners, the miners are to blame badly? Or are reformist economists?
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  • svp67
    svp67 April 10 2020 07: 04 New
    11
    Wonderful things are happening ... wonderful. Someone is driven into self-isolation, but who can I explain how to understand this?
    In the village of Rozhdestveno, Zaoksky District, Tula Region, which includes the Kapitan cottage complex, 4 cases of coronavirus infection have been confirmed. This was announced today, April 5, by the portal of the Tula regional government. It is added that disinfection work is being carried out.
    Recall that many Muscovites live in this village.
    It seems that the news for today is no longer news, but then a friend dropped a few videos taken by the locals from there and I had many questions at once ...
    It turns out they had a restaurant working on the territory of the village until April 5 ... it's already interesting.
    A police car drives around the village and offers its residents, as one of the protective measures, to leave the village and move to another place, if there is where ... And how is it? What's this...? How can I now give people who may already be infected leave from there?
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 10 2020 08: 45 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      How is that? What's this...? How can I now give people who may already be infected leave from there?

      And what is it? Here we have Muscovites, on weekends and holidays, as if no more than locals. Now the situation is typical for these same holidays. What is this cottage village, against the backdrop of a couple of millions of Muscovites, sprawling from the suburbs to the Crimea from Sochi and the Urals?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin April 10 2020 10: 21 New
        +6
        All "poor and oppressed" got sick, then she (he)
        [Lannan Shi April 7, 2020 07:30
        +7
        I have 8 inhabited houses in my village ...
        , and now
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Here we have Muscovites,
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 10 2020 10: 39 New
          +1
          A kind servant of Messrs. Chubais, such as you answer ... You don't respect yourself. But I'll make an exception once. If you have no idea what the life of the village is, even the circus, then first ask. Those who know. In villages like mine, for a dozen permanent families, civilization ends with a pillar of electricity. You may be a fabulous elf, casting food from the air, and teleporting as needed, but we are ordinary people. And the concept "with us", whether you like it or not, includes the distance of 10 km along the highway. One way and the other. Specifically, in my village now there are 3 times more Muscovites than locals. About. For counting on the heads of this flock of sheep, who came to swell and rub themselves with a crowd of a dozen ummm ... very drunk people, plus children and dogs, at the crossroads, I somehow did not hire. And in general, we have, counting the surroundings, through which I simply have to travel, there are about half of such bacilli. Iiiii? what exactly did I lie about? Or simply, tearing apart, from the desire to vyaknut in defense of the owner, but in fact there is nothing to say?
          1. Terenin
            Terenin April 10 2020 11: 12 New
            +9
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Do not respect yourself. But once I will make an exception.

            exception "succeeded"
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            lamb herd

            Quote: Lannan Shi
            tears to pieces, from the desire to blather

            As required.
            By the way, do not forget that you can choke with your own curses.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 April 10 2020 11: 43 New
              +3
              At first:
              Quote: Terenin
              All the "poor and oppressed"

              And then:
              Quote: Terenin
              do not forget your own curses can drown

              "Good" uncle, you will not say anything! He himself provokes, and then gives "good" advice.
              1. Terenin
                Terenin April 10 2020 12: 55 New
                +8
                Quote: Stas157
                Kind "uncle, you will not say anything

                "Gutta-percha boy" do not spin under your feet
              2. Svarog51
                Svarog51 April 10 2020 19: 46 New
                +4
                There were doubts, but now they have disappeared. Did Madame fascinate you with her snacks? This happens when men lose their heads at the sight of the female. In the history of examples, darkness. In this case, a manipulator, moreover masculine. Keep on defending. It doesn’t matter to you that under the nickname a couple of Ukrainian trolls, the main thing is that it is against Russia. So?
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 30 New
            +3
            Where do you live, that you have only pillars from civilization there? No cellular connection? The Internet did not give a lift? Satellite dishes on the houses are not present? Transport does not go, more and more on horseback? Bast your soup, are itching with a pine cone?
  • Li17
    Li17 April 10 2020 07: 15 New
    10
    Thanks to the author! Very clever and reasonable article, the essence of the problem is stated. I read it in one go!
  • Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 10 2020 07: 19 New
    +7
    The doctor, teacher, janitor, cleaning lady, salesman, plumber and auto repairman suddenly turned out to be more significant and more important than lawyers, accountants, managers, bankers, pop figures and football players.
    I would not write off many of the above professions so indiscriminately. We still need an accountant, otherwise the specialists of the first group will not see their salaries. Well, about pop figures - maybe the significance of all these "stars" was really too exaggerated, but to sit for a whole month in quarantine without books and movies music would be many times more painful, so creative professions are important.
    The virus turned out to be thermophilic, it is uncomfortable in cold conditions. On the one hand, because we do not have such a distribution, on the other, it is still ahead.
    Here the author obviously mixed up something. In the warm season, the spread of all viral diseases significantly inhibits the presence of solar radiation. In China, where the virus began to spread in January-February, there was no heat at all, the temperature was around zero to +5 and wet. It was the same in Italy at the time the epidemic began. But where the heat was really hot - this is in Australia. But in Australia, there really is no epidemic, it is far at the end of the list. Well, in general, all seasonal flu and acute respiratory viral infections take off like no other in the summer. But in winter, on the contrary. So none of these viruses are thermophilic.
    1. Horon
      Horon April 10 2020 10: 39 New
      +2
      A virus needs moisture to live if it is too cold it becomes inactive in the heat, but in conditions of high humidity it is quite comfortable in the shade and indoors. If it is cloudy, then its activity increases on the street. It is not comfortable for him in conditions of dryness and ultraviolet radiation, however, like all other viruses and bacteria. For rooms, to reduce its activity, in addition to antiseptic treatment, ozonation also helps. True, a long stay in a highly ozonized environment is harmful to humans, as well as with a high concentration of antiseptics.
      1. antique
        antique April 10 2020 17: 19 New
        -1
        Ozone, industrial poison of the first category. It is second only to halogens in reactivity. How an antiseptic does not work with dry substrates. We need a kind of soda with ozone, but it will gobble up everything. Not only viruses with bacteria, but also any organics. Including rubber. Gloves collapse in seconds. Only PVC and fluoropolymers are resistant to it. Well, and a couple of three materials.
        1. Horon
          Horon April 12 2020 09: 54 New
          0
          However, this does not prevent them from breathing during a thunderstorm, and the Chizhevsky chandelier similarly leads to the appearance of ozone in the air. The oxidation activity of ozone is higher than that of oxygen, and here the factor of damage to the virus, and not its complete destruction, is important. Antiseptic solutions do the same. At one time, places containing ozone in the atmosphere were used to treat tuberculosis. But in large quantities, it is really harmful to humans.
          1. antique
            antique April 12 2020 10: 39 New
            -3
            Quote: Horon
            However, this does not prevent them from breathing during a thunderstorm, and the Chizhevsky chandelier similarly leads to the appearance of ozone in the air.

            It all depends on the concentration of ozone. Correctly. You can’t use the Chizhevsky chandelier. Leads to the formation of nitric oxide. Poison.
            1. Horon
              Horon April 12 2020 15: 36 New
              0
              Chlorine solutions are also impossible, leading to clouding of the lens and stomach ulcer (although it does not interfere with its use when disinfecting rooms and water). I’m silent about alcohol, it affects the nervous system. The source of ozone in nature is thunderstorms, ultraviolet light, and even some species of conifers. Naturally, it all depends on concentration. Imported air ionizers, of course, do not create nitric oxide, so they are being intensively scooped up from stores.
              1. antique
                antique April 12 2020 17: 43 New
                -1
                Imported air ionizers, of course, do not create nitric oxide, so they are being intensively scooped up from stores.
                In order to get pure ozone, without nitrogen oxides, you need pure oxygen at the inlet. It is impossible to get ozone from air without impurities. Thanks for the dicussion.
  • riwas
    riwas April 10 2020 07: 21 New
    +7
    An article by researchers from Fudan University, posted in the archive of preprints, shows that almost a third of patients who recovered from coronavirus infection had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies to coronavirus in their blood, and in 10 out of 175 people, antibodies were not detected at all. This calls into question the effectiveness of passive antibody therapy, vaccination and herd immunity. Scientists also found an interesting pattern: the levels of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2 virus increased with age. Thus, those who recovered in the age group from 60 to 85 years old had an antibody titer three times higher than patients 15-39 years old.
    https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/kitajskie-uchenye-utverzhdayut-chto-organizmy
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 10 2020 07: 26 New
    -1
    Some people call this pandemic an invisible war. Well, and the war is known as "For someone, war is a stepmother. And for someone, a mother is dear." Otherwise, we may see something worse.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 10 2020 08: 00 New
      +5
      And when is the time? Suggest to be patient?
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 April 10 2020 09: 16 New
        -4
        I do not propose to endure. You just have to live.
        1. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 09 New
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          Quote: nikvic46
          I do not propose to endure. You just have to live.

          We live simply, but we just have to endure, isn't it?
          Quote: nikvic46
          Otherwise, we can see something more terrible.

          What could be worse than a lack of understanding of the desire of the people?
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 April 12 2020 07: 36 New
            +1
            Vladimir. What could be worse. But there are no more than two options. Either complete disruption in the country. Or a police dictatorship.
  • Li17
    Li17 April 10 2020 07: 29 New
    +9
    Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
    I love distortion and silence ... 1200 bucks are paid only to those who have fulfilled some norms until that moment - that is, they worked and paid taxes with a certain length of service, and

    but just now it will be clear that the style of informal work that we had will be a clear blow for many entrepreneurs. I know such people, they drive in exclusive cars, regularly leaving for the Bahamas, paying a minuscule to their employees who do not have official status! There are many of them, at least in my area!
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton April 10 2020 07: 43 New
      +7
      A huge number, I myself have come across these more than once, which is why from an early age I swore to work with any private owner. Many of them even live in Thailand and India. By the way, aren't they now howling there to be taken away?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 10 2020 07: 58 New
        +7
        In my early years, there were almost no private owners. And in the 80s, they told us a private trader would come in order.
        And what is your specialty, not an official by chance?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 34 New
          -9
          So in the 80s they lived poorly: a deficit of everything and everything. As they gave a green light to a private trader, so immediately jeans appeared and all kinds of services and shops in which it was not necessary to choke on the lines.
          1. Vladimir B.
            Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 08 New
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            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            So in the 80s and lived poorly

            Who lived poorly, did you live poorly? Then my condolences to you. Our family lived normally in the 80s. With the arrival of your neoliberals in the economy in the 90s, they began to live very poorly
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 17: 14 New
              0
              Compared to the current time, wretched, very wretched. You were just young in those years and the corresponding memories. My parents then did not have one tenth of what we have - their children.
        2. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 06 New
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          Quote: Gardamir
          in the 80s we were told private traders come to restore order.

          Yeah, only instead of the market we got a flea market.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor April 10 2020 10: 31 New
      +5
      To read you, so any IPshnik is an underground millionaire and an evil exploiter + a loafer .. Well then the people in large numbers in the "businessmen" described by you did not go, sit yourself do nothing in the Bahamas, but ride an exclusive wheelbarrow ..
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 37 New
        -3
        Have you ever seen IPshnik on an exclusive car. Is the Jaguar there, Bentley or Lamborghini? And whoever criticized at least tried to open his own business?
  • The Sparkle
    The Sparkle April 10 2020 07: 51 New
    10
    *** (p.) ... It turns out funny: the Russian authorities impose fines of 5000 rubles for leaving home, while in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism. There is a difference, right? ... ***
    Roman, you forgot to point out that not everyone is fined in a row (although excesses on the ground do happen /), but only those who are sitting under a "subscription" - contacts with sick people or tourists who have arrived from places of the epidemic.
    But money in the USA is also not given to everyone, and in fairness it’s also necessary to clarify - in Russia they treat people who are ill for free, and in the USA they take from 40 to 75 thousand dollars per week of treatment, since many American citizens do not allow full insurance for medical services can. Do you propose to do the same with us?
    1. Revival
      Revival April 11 2020 04: 10 New
      0
      Fine without any subscription and disease everyone!
      At least take a look at the news!
      Moscow courts stamped seven days a week.
      And the fine is sculpted 15000r.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 10 2020 07: 56 New
    +3
    There is still a moment. All the chronic diseases attacked the elderly, who were suddenly immobilized. And walks in the park are useful for enhancing immunity.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 10 2020 08: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: lithium17
    but just now it will be clear that the style of informal work that we had will be a clear blow for many entrepreneurs. I know such people, they drive in exclusive cars, regularly leaving for the Bahamas, paying a minuscule to their employees who do not have official status! There are many of them, at least in my area!

    hi Absolutely right! Maybe only "exclusivity of wheelbarrows" is an exaggeration. Most small and medium-sized businesses live like this. For fifteen years I had to study their business, settlements and communicate personally. Frankly, I can't even remember one exception to this characteristic. Even "farmers" were indistinguishable from criminal slave owners.

    ps I apologize in advance to honest workers who produce (!) high-quality products of businessmen, socially responsible entrepreneurs.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 10 2020 08: 29 New
    +7
    But - I’m sure that we will win.
    .... Polovtsy, the Pechenegs defeated the same ... as the guarantor said ...
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 06 New
      15
      Quote: parusnik
      But - I’m sure that we will win.
      .... Polovtsy, the Pechenegs defeated the same ... as the guarantor said ...

      We’ll definitely defeat the Coronavirus, it’s not the Polovtsy with the Pechenegs; yes
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 10 2020 09: 02 New
    -5
    True, midnight soon struck, the carriage became a pumpkin again, and the “new” cars were not so new, the freshest - of 2016, and not from United Russia, but from Autoline, which simply took three minibuses and painted.

    Where in the news published does the word new and why the heck are new are needed by volunteers who travel a maximum of a month for them, and who said that EdRo or someone else had not bought the minibuses?
    ----------------
    I didn’t read further, because I’m no longer connected to reality - purely in the spirit of Yehu Matzah. He invented it himself - he wrote it.
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 10 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    Footballers especially, because it suddenly became clear that every costly shaker was less significant than the ventilator. And almost all of this sports party (as well as pop) could easily be exchanged for masks and ventilators. There would only be an opportunity, as they say.
    I agree. Only in the last (extreme) speech did the Guarantor say exactly the opposite, that he has high hopes for this category, I don’t even know what to call them, because the citizens of which country they are not always known. There is this great mystery. wassat
  • Don't See Evil
    Don't See Evil April 10 2020 09: 15 New
    +6
    If we analyze Internet news over the past two weeks, in particular Mile, we get the following picture. First, they talked about 25% of patients whose disease is asymptomatic, then about the percentage of possible infection from them. And then once, and on you, they announced that residents of Moscow and the Leningrad Region can take the analysis on a paid basis. And this will be done by private medicine. Created a stir, where many begin to wonder if I am sick, what if I have a latent asymptomatic form? Many are in a panic. And naturally they go to get tested for money. More like making money for a private medical business. Also, against the backdrop of a pandemic, cash is being denounced as potential carriers of the infection. Gundos say on the Internet and on TV that cash is evil and must be abandoned. As recently as today, the dangers of paper bills were announced on Channel 1. Are we getting ready to cancel cash ?? It is not excluded! It seems that under the guise of a pandemic, the state is solving uncomfortable issues that are in its favor. And medical corporations decided to cut coupons. And all under a plausible pretext. They suggest that we ourselves want it. Everything is done for our good. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Well, how, after all, we ourselves simply "dreamed" of increasing the terms of retirement. And Tereshkova was tearfully "asked" about zeroing. It's only the beginning...
    1. RAE8
      RAE8 April 11 2020 06: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: I See No Evil
      Against the backdrop of the pandemic, there are accusations of cash as potential carriers of infection. Gundosyat on the Internet and on TV that cash is evil and must be abandoned. As recently as today, the dangers of paper notes were announced on Channel 1. Are we getting ready for cash cancellation ?? Not excluded

      good
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 10 2020 09: 15 New
    -4
    An article about what? Neither for peace, nor for health. What did the author mean?
    1. AUL
      AUL April 10 2020 10: 21 New
      +3
      And you try to read the article. Only slowly. Perhaps you will understand what she is talking about.
  • Ivan Kolodin
    Ivan Kolodin April 10 2020 09: 24 New
    +6
    I do not care about other countries, I have a question why, according to a government decree for April 3, citizens who are stuck abroad receive help at the rate of 2500 per day per person, is it that some of the curds and their treatment got stuck there, so to speak? And in Russia, who got stuck at work at 5000 a month without working as children, but let me also want to get stuck at 72000 a month per person, what is going on in our country?
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 05 New
      14
      Quote: Ivan Kolodin
      what is going on in our state in general?

      In fact, the most ordinary capitalism yes
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 17: 39 New
        +2
        We do not have capitalism. What we see has nothing to do with capitalism.
        1. RAE8
          RAE8 April 11 2020 06: 37 New
          -2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          We do not have capitalism.

          Continuation of the series - "We have no sex." Likely a native of the USSR. And higher education from the same place. Then why such ignorance of the subject? Losers?
      2. RAE8
        RAE8 April 11 2020 06: 22 New
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir B.
        In fact, the most ordinary capitalism

        In fact, from the beginning of the 20th century - imperialism. According to those who understood this issue both theoretically and practically. PS Naturally excluding the period November1917-1991
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 10 2020 09: 24 New
    10
    As I already wrote, not so long ago it became clear what is the effectiveness of state projects in the country, using the example of Krasnodar road workers. To invest one million rubles in some kind of work, you need to set aside two hundred million to steal them. Our state machine is so arranged. We always copy everything with huge excess. If the capitalists in their states are stealing, then we are going wild, absolutely crazy, rampant robbery.
    And the most important, in fact, the only concern of ALL of our state is to save as much money as possible for our mega-theft. This is what caused the president’s extremely strange speeches, from which they literally climb their foreheads. He is a frank man, and he doesn’t go into his pocket for a word. And then he was in a situation where it was necessary to explain what was happening somehow so that the people would not worry ... but the robbery did not stop even for a second! Here he is, for the first time in his life, and is confused in his language.
    The so-called "targeted assistance" and all sorts of "support measures" are only and exclusively registration of the transfer of funds to organizations owned by officials and companies affiliated with them. Since an official, in principle, cannot create a single structure that would bring more benefit than harm to the economy, this is how their psyche and personality are arranged, then there will be no contribution to the economy from the stolen trillions. No matter how much "targeted aid" you give, it seems all of it is in Western banks. The consequences of the hellish "self-isolation" will be monstrous. The companies I know have already started to go bankrupt.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 10 2020 09: 26 New
    +5
    Will Peremoga from TV screens. Necessarily will!

    In the meantime, families are sitting in close Khrushchev, and the children are waiting in line for the computer to do homework ...
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 10 2020 09: 41 New
    -1
    "We are lucky. We are not losing yet, and even then despite it. The measures proposed by the president are very specific and indicate not so much a desire to protect the population, but rather save the budget."
    Oh pearl! The USSR won the war against Stalin, do not find a direct analogy? (Like General Frost won, Hitler prevented him from winning, etc.) The manuals do not change and yes there is extremely bad logic.
    "We are not losing, and even then in spite of."
    And before this, the author writes:
    "In addition, many experts believe that our BCG vaccine, which everyone gets in infancy, also plays a role." And let me know why these vaccinations have been preserved in our country, in contrast to Europe and other states? Is this not the merit of the authorities? Uhm ...
    Threat we border on China and the situation with the virus is better than in Europe and China, and why? no, power measures do not influence here, um ...
    Touched: "The virus turned out to be thermophilic, it is uncomfortable in cold conditions. On the one hand, because we do not have such a spread, on the other, everything is still ahead." General Moroz again? Oh my God ... don't tell the residents of the Crimea and the North Caucasus that they have little virus because it is frozen! And don't tell us this, since this year's winter was quite European ...
    "Our lack of congestion played an equally significant role. It is clear that in Italy, whose area is smaller than that of the Tomsk region, and where the sloppiness of the population is simply off scale, the virus felt at home." Aha-aha, tell the residents of Moscow, St. Petersburg and other millionaires about the lack of boredom.
    Shl every time the lower level of "analytics" is striking, are liberal views and the lack of logic somehow connected?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 10 2020 11: 18 New
      +3
      Speak to the power! Yes, an elementary oversight. Now they will cancel both BCG and other medical methods from the Soviet heritage. And as always do it quietly.
      1. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 03 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        soviet heritage

        Soviet legacy haunts modern politicians. They are simply with some kind of obscure manic passion trying to destroy the entire Soviet legacy without creating their own.
    2. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 04 New
      16
      Quote: Oleg1
      each time the lower level of "analytics" is striking, are liberal views and the lack of logic somehow connected?

      The authorities are the same liberals. yes
      Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed in an interview with Russian and foreign journalists in Krasnaya Polyana that he is "a real liberal and adheres to liberal views."
      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 10 2020 09: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Again, everything is wrong and again everyone is not the same, again everything is contrary and guilty again you know who ...
    That's why for some reason the state pays for self-isolation and at least 10000 more ...
    You are probably in the State Duma, or on TV, so they pay. wassat Do not tell me where to call, so that we, too, are paid for this electrical tape? lol
  • Silhouette
    Silhouette April 10 2020 09: 59 New
    +7
    Meanwhile ... With the guise of a coronavirus, the Government bought Sberbank from the Central Bank for 2,1 trillion rubles.
    Who is the government? private shop or state representative? Sberbank - whose is it? In Sberbank, what is the state’s share? And what does the central bank have to do with the state? So it turns out that the state bought Sberbank from itself. Where did 2.1 trillion go? rubles? Who got superprofits from trade in natural resources over the past 10 years? But now it’s clear why the Reserve Fund was created. It remains to find out the names of the beneficiaries, that is, beneficiaries.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 10 2020 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Silhouette
      Who is the government? private shop or state representative?

      Well, judging by the list of enterprises to which support is promised, a very private shop sawing the state budget.
    2. depressant
      depressant April 10 2020 22: 57 New
      +1
      Colleague Silhouette, I explain about the Central Bank.
      In the midst of a coronavirus epidemic, the government buys out Sberbank with a one-time payment of 2.1 trillion rubles to the Central Bank, that is, immediately to cover the shortage of its own funds for the Central Bank (the Central Bank has its own budget). The shortfall of 700 billion was formed as a result of the incompetent actions of Nabiullina in the reorganization of small banks. While the Nabiullin bookkeepers were looking for punctures in the work of banks, banker swindlers frantically transferred cash abroad through those who check them, that is, through the Central Bank, and fled the country after the stolen money of their depositors. As a result, the stolen money was deposited on the balance sheet of the Central Bank in a negative amount. Like, what can you do, such a flaw in the inspectors, they did not notice! Like, while some checked, others translated - the right hand did not know what the left was doing. The situation is anecdotal. Looks like a conspiracy. But Nabiullina is beyond jurisdiction, and Putin is a friend to her, helping out so that the IMF does not look at her askance. It is impossible to give a gift of 700 billion to the Central Bank from the budget; the Central Bank is separated from the state. Just buy something from Nabiullina. For example, Sberbank. Nabiullina herself, having sold the shares of Sberbank to the government and covering the shortage of the Central Bank from the money received, supposedly returns the difference to the budget. In tranches. At 200 - 300 billion per year. But for some reason such confidence does not arise.
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 10 2020 10: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Again, everything is wrong and again everyone is not the same, again everything is contrary and guilty again you know who ...
    That's why for some reason the state pays for self-isolation and at least 10000 more ...
    You are probably in the State Duma, or on TV, so they pay. wassat Do not tell me where to call, so that we, too, are paid for this electrical tape? lol

    But then, for sure, the author of the quote does not live in Ukrainushka and does not live off grants, you know who ....
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa April 10 2020 10: 06 New
    +1
    "After that they will lie for a long time about what happened" (DDT)
    These lines from a song about captain Kolesnikov fit everything that has ever happened.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 03 New
      15
      Quote: Igor Pa
      These lines from the song

      Americans will also make a movie about the coronavirus epidemic yes
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 10 2020 10: 09 New
    -3
    Quote: Silhouette
    Meanwhile ... With the guise of a coronavirus, the Government bought Sberbank from the Central Bank for 2,1 trillion rubles.
    Who is the government? private shop or state representative? Sberbank - whose is it? In Sberbank, what is the state’s share? And what does the central bank have to do with the state? So it turns out that the state bought Sberbank from itself. Where did 2.1 trillion go? rubles? Who got superprofits from trade in natural resources over the past 10 years? But now it’s clear why the Reserve Fund was created. It remains to find out the names of the beneficiaries, that is, beneficiaries.


    Come up with a new fake, this one is already outdated, change the training manual more often!

    How does the Central Bank manage the money received?

    By law, the Central Bank transfers to the federal budget 75% of its profits. So, according to the results of the transaction, 700 billion rubles will remain with the Bank of Russia, and the rest it will be sent to the state treasury in two forms.

    Non-monetary form (assets). This is a subordinated deposit from the Central Bank in Sberbank in the amount of up to 150 billion rubles and a subordinated deposit in Vnesheconombank in the amount of up to 350 billion rubles.
    Money: 350 billion rubles in 2020, 300 billion rubles in 2021, 400 billion rubles in 2022, and the remainder depends on the final transaction value - in 2023.
    It is planned that the proceeds from the sale of a block of securities in Sberbank will go to finance social initiatives, which Russian President Vladimir Putin outlined in a message to the Federal Assembly.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette April 10 2020 10: 33 New
      +1
      You did not answer the questions:
      1. Who owns Sberbank?
      2. Who owns the Central Bank?
      3. What does the government have to do with the state? Is the government a resident?
      1. Oleg1
        Oleg1 April 10 2020 10: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Silhouette
        You did not answer the questions:
        1. Who owns Sberbank?
        2. Who owns the Central Bank?
        3. What does the government have to do with the state?

        1. Sberbank Public Joint-Stock Company is the Russian state financial conglomerate, the largest transnational and universal bank of the Russian Federation - Russia, Central and Eastern Europe. Clients of Sberbank of the Russian Federation as of 2019 are 110 million individuals and more than 1 million enterprises [4].

        Sberbank PJSC is controlled by the Government of Russia, which owns 52,3% of ordinary shares
        (now more)
        2. Article 2. The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property.

        Art. 2, Federal Law of 10.07.2002 N 86-FZ (as amended on 03.04.2020) "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)" {ConsultantPlus}

        3 Chapter 6. Government of the Russian Federation
        Article 110

        1. The executive power of the Russian Federation is exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation.
        (you will not believe this is one of the bodies of state power)
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette April 10 2020 10: 54 New
          +2
          Q.E.D. Federal property = state. Government is a government agency. State power is not a resident. The government spent (debited) 2.3 trillion rubles from the Reserve Fund, which allegedly accumulated excess profits from the sale of the country's natural resources. Notice, not on the roads or gasification of the country (because you can see and play them), but on the financial focus. To the illusion of a deal! After all, this is fake under the guise of legalizing income!
        2. Silhouette
          Silhouette April 10 2020 14: 12 New
          -1

          Oleg 1
          Sberbank PJSC is controlled by the Government of Russia, which owns 52,3% of ordinary shares


          Something doesn't fit in arithmetic. Now I am reading: The Central Bank sold 50% of Sberbank shares to the government. https://yandex.ru/news/story/CB_prodal_pravitelstvu_50_akcij_Sberbanka--21ce88ac4d9fe0b27429e2e9dd46ebe2?from=main_portal&lang=ru&lr=27040&mlid=1586515330.glob_225.21ce88ac&msid=1586516417.81896.94800.154500&persistent_id=93681583&stid=EOKFLXrOGIiMSI4WwL-7&t=1586515330&utm_medium=topnews_news&utm_source=morda_desktop&wan=1
          1. savage1976
            savage1976 April 10 2020 16: 42 New
            +1
            https://kreditorpro.ru/akcionery-sberbanka-rossii-spisok/ ознакомьтесь, может потом циферки сойдутся.
            1. depressant
              depressant April 10 2020 23: 30 New
              +2
              I will explain to those present (those who, of course, will not follow tedious links).
              The fact is that after the purchase of Sberbank, the Government of the Russian Federation will own only 54% of the shares. The rest, that is 59, 45% of the shares are held by foreign owners (non-residents). Of these, 41% belong to the US-British financial syndicate, the rest to some other foreigners. And we must pray to God that the government does not decide to redeem them, paying money from the National Welfare Fund.
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 10 2020 10: 24 New
    -2
    Coronovirus is another special operation of the international alliance of pharmaceutical companies for pumping money. It is enough to look at the statistics on the disease and compare with others in the previous years. A classic conspiracy. At the same time, it’s very clear that the hat is on the thief, who started it all. We in the Kremlin understand this very well, but decided to join in and have their local profit. All these measures that are introduced are useless. Besides self-isolation, it’s relatively. The virus lives on the mask for a week, on surfaces for 5 days, on clothes for 3 days, on paper money There are only sealed rooms with a closed aerbic cycle, higher biosecurity kits, chemical treatment gateways for entering the premises from the street. Then yes, self-isolation. Only we do not have all military laboratories so equipped, not to mention civilian ones. Yes and there’s nothing to it.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: shinobi
      Coronovirus is another special operation

      Coronovirus is a real epidemic.
      Quote: shinobi
      pharmaceutical companies for pumping money

      Many decided to cash in on the epidemic, not just pharmaceutical companies.
      1. shinobi
        shinobi April 12 2020 01: 43 New
        -1
        Well, that goes without saying. But they are the skirmishers. The scenario is the same as that of bird and pork flu.
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 10 2020 10: 30 New
    10
    Quote: Flame
    It turns out funny: the Russian authorities impose fines of 5000 rubles for leaving home, while in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism. There is a difference, right? ... *

    There is a difference!
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 10 2020 10: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: shinobi
    Coronovirus is another special operation of the international alliance of pharmaceutical companies for pumping money. It is enough to look at the statistics on the disease and compare with others in the previous years. A classic conspiracy. At the same time, it’s very clear that the hat is on the thief, who started it all. We in the Kremlin understand this very well, but decided to join in and have their local profit. All these measures that are introduced are useless. Besides self-isolation, it’s relatively. The virus lives on the mask for a week, on surfaces for 5 days, on clothes for 3 days, on paper money There are only sealed rooms with a closed aerbic cycle, higher biosecurity kits, chemical treatment gateways for entering the premises from the street. Then yes, self-isolation. Only we do not have all military laboratories so equipped, not to mention civilian ones. Yes and there’s nothing to it.


    Maybe you didn’t mean self-isolation but sealing? Like how to prepare for life in a vacuum?
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: Oleg1
      preparing for life in a vacuum?

      Well, you probably already live in a vacuum.
  • DemikSPb
    DemikSPb April 10 2020 10: 40 New
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    Again Skomorokhov hatred excites and strains social tension.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: DemikSPb
      hatred excites and strains social tension.

      Why pump it up and arouse it, when everything is tense and excited
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 10 2020 11: 08 New
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    We were lucky. We are not losing yet, and even then contrary.

    according to Solovyov’s propagandists, we are again ahead of the rest. In Europe, the average mortality rate is 7-8%, while we have 0.7%! Well done!
    Who in their right mind can explain this fact?
    We are told that we have the best scientific schools. Perhaps their remnants were preserved somewhere, but not all over the country?
    The second version of persuasion - we are always ready for the ChS. - Perhaps, but the facts just say the opposite. Without Putin's kick, nowhere does it work — it’s enough to recall the floods in Siberia and Krymsk, such examples are darkness. And then, how can something that has been destroyed for 100 years be mobilized with a 20% return? An example of Moscow is indicative.
    All that remains is single-accounting and process control. Here is the imperfection of domestic tests (reliability of 70-80%), the cost of which is less than 500 rubles, and they sell for 1.5 thousand, imperfect statistics (voluntarily or involuntarily).
    If Minister Murashko himself said. that now the diagnosis of Covid-19 will be made on the basis of the clinical picture, that in the 21st century, proclaimed the century of evidence-based medicine, is a sign of deep degradation of domestic health care.
    By chance or not, but the increase after the words Murashko amounted to +300 patients
    However, in the near future everything will show.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 10 2020 13: 32 New
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      Who in their right mind can explain this fact?

      I can explain and you can certainly. Well do not want to?
      The explanation is simple: they have not overloaded the system yet. In Moscow, 20000 mortality will go up to the level of 4%. If there is 200000, it will go to the level of 10%.
      1. Oleg1
        Oleg1 April 10 2020 13: 58 New
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        Quote: bk316
        Who in their right mind can explain this fact?

        I can explain and you can certainly. Well do not want to?
        The explanation is simple: they have not overloaded the system yet. In Moscow, 20000 mortality will go up to the level of 4%. If there is 200000, it will go to the level of 10%.


        Dreams, dreams ... you can immediately see the patriot ... the current is not Russia .... Ukraine? Castle on the hill?
        Threat is quite worthy of the cannibal or guard of Mauthausen ...
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 10 2020 14: 40 New
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          Ukraine? Castle on the hill?

          Oleg, maybe you can take a walk ... in a city on a hill.
          Read my comments understand whose I'm a patriot.

          And the fact that I wrote not dreams, but an explanation of the level of mortality.
          Sylvester, as an expert in medicine, can confirm that the explanation is quite plausible. For my part, as a mathematician, I can tell Sylvester that a 70% confidence level of the test is not sufficient to explain this mortality.

          Now essentially. Can you explain this level with something else? Or just balabolite? If there is a hypothesis, go to the studio.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 10 2020 14: 50 New
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            Quote: bk316
            that a 70% confidence level test is not sufficient to explain such mortality.

            These figures explain the official mortality rate much better. Pay attention to the number of official Covid patients and the number of patients with pneumonia.

            Moscow City Clinical Hospital №15 named after Filatov was converted for the treatment of patients with coronavirus. 1315 beds, 543 doctors, 741 nurses. Over the week, the number of patients with COVID-19 increased from 25 to 282 people, pneumonia was diagnosed in 661 patients. On April 5, 215 patients were admitted to the clinic.
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 10 2020 14: 57 New
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              These figures explain the official percentage much better.

              Don't understand explain
              1. Liam
                Liam April 10 2020 15: 06 New
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                In my opinion, most of those 661 patients with pneumonia have no official diagnosis of covid and pass according to other statistics. This means that there are huge difficulties with the tests. Novosibirsk is flooded with tests from all over the country, and without his help, patients are not officially recognized as infected with Covid. Plus imperfection of the tests themselves with a huge% false-negative.
                It is no coincidence that yesterday the Ministry of Health decided to unite the departments of Kovid with the departments of Pneumonia and put the official diagnosis of Kovid according to the clinical picture, without waiting for the tests.
                Otherwise, there will be a disaster in hospitals
                1. bk316
                  bk316 April 10 2020 15: 08 New
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                  This means that there are huge difficulties with the tests.

                  That is, those who are diagnosed with pneumonia simply do not have tests
                  1. Liam
                    Liam April 10 2020 15: 12 New
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                    Someone doesn’t do it, someone does it, but the answer is false-negative, someone else gets the answer in weeks, and the disease progresses, but since the officer is not diagnosed, he is not in the Covid wards and the appropriate isolation and treatment protocols are not applied to him. it infects other patients and staff. You see that every day throughout the country foci of infection in hospitals, followed by quarantine
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 April 10 2020 15: 32 New
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                      They don’t do it to someone, they do it to someone, but the answer is false-negative, to someone else the answer comes in weeks

                      I understood you. This does not explain low mortality. Why?
                      1. If it were as you say (namely, it was in Italy), it would be underestimated GENERAL the number of cases of coronavirus. AND this would lead to an overestimation of the mortality rate and not to its underestimation (the total number of cases is in the denominator and not the numerator) As always, arithmetic fails you.
                      2. There is simply no such situation. Well in Moscow at least. I have already made tests with a bunch of friends. AT THIS, THEY ARE NOT HOSPITALIZED. They came to them and took samples. This indicates that there are enough tests. Two weeks is also not true now it is about 2 days in the Moscow region.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam April 10 2020 15: 45 New
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                        Quote: bk316
                        As always, arithmetic fails you

                        Interesting. In Moscow, rounding off 10.000 official infected Covids. There are also 60 official dead people. 0,6%
                        Now add to the number of infected those 600 unofficial pneumatics. And to the number of dead, those 200 or 300 of them who die with official diagnosis pneumonia, etc., but not Kovid. You will see right away how your 0,6 percent will change

                        Quote: bk316
                        Two weeks is also not true now it is about 2 days in the Moscow region.

                        Yes, yes, yes. Tell this to a journalist Shevchenko who recently told me how he waited 10 days for an answer and then went to a private clinic where they almost instantly returned the result. Or a journalist from Perm who had been ill for 3 weeks waiting for a test, died March 31 from pneumonia, and the test result came April, 4.
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 April 10 2020 15: 54 New
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                        Now add to the number of infected those 600 unofficial

                        Not okay.
                        1. That 600 would infect thousands. And again, the denominator would increase.
                        2. The lethality from pneumonia would jump sharply. She's not 50%
                        3. Tests do EVERYTHING with pneumonia.
                        died March 31 from pneumonia and the test result came on April 4.

                        Can you read?
                        There is simply no such situation. Well in Moscow by extreme measurese. I have already made tests with a bunch of friends. AT THIS, THEY ARE NOT HOSPITALIZED. They came to them and took samples. This indicates that there are enough tests. Two weeks is no longer true either now it's about 2 days in the Moscow region.


                        And in general, where do you write from 404 from SGA? Why do I need Perm journalists if I can learn everything myself first hand? I tell you about people whom I personally know. I have a company for 500 people, all at a distance, who feel bad SMS, if they took the analysis or from co-residents - SMS, hospitalized - SMS.


                        What do you think about 20000 and 200000 I write? You think I'm having fun? The narrow-minded already called hohlom ....
                      3. Liam
                        Liam April 10 2020 16: 03 New
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                        Quote: bk316
                        Tests do EVERYTHING with pneumonia.

                        Explain this to the Minister. And then you live in different realities with him.
                        The diagnosis of "coronavirus infection" can be made without laboratory confirmation, only by the clinical picture. This was stated by the Minister of Health of Russia Mikhail Murashko on the air of the TV channel "Russia 1".

                        "We see that the course of the disease sometimes develops so rapidly that it already has a characteristic clinical picture, therefore, a diagnosis is made without laboratory confirmation by the clinical picture. This is a normal practice," Murashko said. Therefore, patients with pneumonia will be treated in the same way as patients with coronavirus, since the same treatment system is applied.

                        He probably decided to take such a step from a good life with tests, recognizing practically that who is lying with pneumonia is not reflected in the statistics by covid patients.
                        Quote: bk316
                        That 600 would infect thousands. And again, the denominator would increase

                        And how do you know how many they have replayed, even if in hospitals such problems with tests.
                        Quote: bk316
                        Mortality from pneumonia would jump sharply

                        Share the statistics of mortality from pneumonia in March / April, say?
                        Quote: bk316
                        And in general, where do you write from 404 from SGA?

                        Quote: bk316
                        Вон near already called hohlom ..

                        Hand face
                      4. bk316
                        bk316 April 10 2020 16: 55 New
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                        And how do you know how many they have replayed, even if in hospitals such problems with tests.

                        Well, the p factor is known ...... Therefore, the lower estimate and the average are.

                        Explain this to the Minister. And then you live in different realities with him.

                        I don’t know where the minister lives.
                        It does not follow from this that the analysis will not be done.
                        AGAIN ARITHMETICS AGAIN. If they do this, then false-positive results will arise and the lethality will still decrease.
                        FOR ANYTHING THIS RELATION TO THE CASE DOES NOT HAVE FOR IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WE DISCUSS THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE INDICATOR.

                        Hand face

                        If you can get data from a reliable source, do not use dubious ones.
                        Data from a personal contact is obviously more reliable than from a garbage can called the Internet. What happens in Moscow, I know for sure. Why do I need fairy tales about a Perm journalist?
                        If you use data from the garbage bin, you are probably not in Moscow. So I ask where?
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 16: 51 New
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        Last year, when there was still no smell of coronoviruses, there was a surge in pneumonia in Russia. Not later than in November 2019, due to the high incidence of pneumonia transmitted by airborne droplets, quarantine had to be closed in batches in virtually packs in several regions of the country - Vladimir, Nizhny Novgorod, Orenburg and Tyumen regions, Ulyanovsk, Krasnoyarsk, Chelyabinsk, Rostov- to the Don. And here is another article from the month of November last year:
        "For the week (from November 11 to 17), 1043 cases with a preliminary diagnosis of pneumonia were registered in the Sverdlovsk region. The incidence rate is at the level of the last week, above the level of the same period in 2018 by 18% and 55% above the average annual level," the regional Rospotrebnadzor. "
        And here is the ITAR-TASS information from the month of November:
        "According to preliminary data, in the first nine months of 2019 in Russia almost 18 thousand people died from pneumonia"
        1. Li17
          Li17 April 11 2020 07: 18 New
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          Right. Today I was talking with the cop the other day, they are now known to always go to state death. So according to him, during the period of SARS, he recorded many times more deaths! No one raised the noise, tests as usual in the center, diagnosis ... also as usual!
  • Vladimir B.
    Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 01 New
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    Quote: Oleg1
    immediately see the patriot

    You can immediately see that you are not a patriot of Russia yes
  • Alexy
    Alexy April 10 2020 11: 11 New
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    Cool name: Hohland Russland)))
  • AB
    AB April 10 2020 11: 14 New
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    Well, people? Let off steam? Feel better? Nah ... The top people do not hear, only scares and lies, each time more and more. Even more embittered population.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. April 10 2020 17: 00 New
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      Quote: AB
      Well, people? Let off steam? Feel better?

      No, it’s not easier. As it was, it remains.
  • flicker
    flicker April 10 2020 11: 26 New
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    You can now go to another country only with the most elite of the elites listed in special lists, accompanied by personal doctors of the highest category

    It turns out that the problem of coronavirus and its consequences are easily solved not by special protection, not by a vaccine, not by new effective drugs - but simply by "personal doctors of the highest category." They, in higher categories, will score this virus wassat
  • flicker
    flicker April 10 2020 11: 37 New
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    It turns out funny: the Russian authorities impose fines of 5000 rubles for leaving home, while in the USA, for example, they pay $ 1200 per person for absenteeism. There is a difference, right?

    laughing
    How is it that the United States has not yet guessed to pay criminals $ 1000 so that they do not break the law?
    It is necessary to give the geldings a recipe from Skomorokhov.
    bully