Work on the modernization of self-propelled guns 2S7M "Malka" completed

Work on the modernization of self-propelled guns 2S7M "Malka" completed

In Russia, work has completed on the modernization of the 2S7M Malka self-propelled gun. This 203 mm self-propelled gun is in service with the Russian Ground Forces. The first modification - 2C7 "Peony" - has been in operation since 1975, the upgraded version - 2C7M - since 1986.


According to the press service of Uraltransmash (part of UVZ), during the modernization of Malki, work was done to replace the gearbox, distribution mechanisms, and power supply units. Surveillance devices and guidance system, intercom equipment and radio station were replaced. Updated anti-nuclear defense complex. There was a possibility of aiming at the target with the help of UAVs.

The upgraded vehicle passed all the required tests, the first updated self-propelled gun was ready to be sent to the troops, the company announced its readiness for serial modernization of the existing fleet of self-propelled guns Malka.

Modernization improved driving performance, maneuverability and mobility, command controllability and all the main characteristics of the gun

- said in a statement.

It is worth noting that the 2S7M Malka, having a 2 mm gun caliber (44A203), is capable of firing various types of ammunition, including active-reactive and special ammunition with a nuclear warhead.

Large-caliber self-propelled guns at one time were developed as a means of possible tactical nuclear strike.

For reference: the 2S7M Malka combat mass in the previous layout was 46,5 tons, the crew was 6 people, the R-173 radio station was used, the transported ammunition was 8 rounds, and the self-propelled gun was put into combat position for 7 minutes.
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  1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 01 New
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    You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.
    1. Teberii April 7 2020 09: 24 New
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      Then it’s easier to assemble a new car, and this is a tactical vehicle.
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 27 New
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        On the tank, the barrel can be changed .... but not on the howitzer? Moreover, she does not have a tower.
        1. YOUR April 7 2020 09: 32 New
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          What is the point of replacing the barrel with a different caliber?
          1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 36 New
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            Who wrote about another caliber? What is the difference between trunks on 152mm systems of the USSR and the Russian Federation? Or on 125mm tanks? Or NATO 155mm systems? Barrel length, Camora, barrel manufacturing, barrel materials .....
        2. venik April 7 2020 10: 09 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          On the tank, the barrel can be changed .... but not on the howitzer?

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          Do not confuse the concept of "trunk"And"gun"! Do not also compare smoothbore gun with threaded! And even more so, to compare 125 mm smoothbore tank guns and a rifled gun of extra-large power.
          That substantially to increase the firing range, it is necessary to replace not only the barrel, but also the breech, knurling, lifting mechanisms, etc. etc. (in short - EVERYTHING!). Those. create fundamentally NEW gun! And this is difficult, costly and long ....
          Here we are talking about modernization (during restoration), allowing you to slightly improve performance without huge costs!
          1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 17 New
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            Quote: venik
            Do not confuse the concept of "barrel" and "gun"!

            You did not understand.
            Zaurbek proposes to install a new gun on the self-propelled guns.
            How, for example, they did this with 2C1, by installing 2A80 with a “body kit”, getting a “Host” 2C34.

            Moreover, the main characteristic of the new gun should be an increased firing range.
            1. novel66 April 7 2020 10: 31 New
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              but not accuracy ??
              1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 37 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                but not accuracy ??

                On the contrary, accuracy will decrease.
                1. novel66 April 7 2020 12: 15 New
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                  But then what is the point?
                  1. Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 10 New
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                    Range.
                    There is a certain hobby. Quite incomprehensible in the presence of MLRS
                    1. novel66 April 8 2020 09: 15 New
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                      and in the absence of adjustable ammunition
            2. venik April 7 2020 22: 50 New
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              Quote: Spade
              You did not understand. Zaurbek proposes to install a new gun on the self-propelled guns.

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              1. Did you understand what Zaurbek meant and that offers??
              2. Are you like an artilleryman? What do you think, HOW much will grow mass guns of this class 203-mm long-range gun, if you increase the firing range by 2, or even 2.5 times, as the respected Zaurbek suggests ??? And the chassis will pull this colossus? Or it will turn out like in that joke: "... And now we, together with all this bullshit try to take off ... "?
    2. novel66 April 7 2020 09: 39 New
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      how to get? at such a range?
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 52 New
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        How do you plan to get on 152-155mm systems at 50-70km?
        1. novel66 April 7 2020 10: 31 New
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          there are adjustable shells, but for 203 I don’t know
          1. Bubuzon April 7 2020 12: 23 New
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            There is. Complex "Daredevil".
            1. Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 11 New
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              Quote: Bubuzon
              Complex "Daredevil".

              240-mm
              Adjustable mine.
        2. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 38 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          How do you plan to get on 152-155mm systems at 50-70km?

          Due to the number of shells. The more, the higher the probability of hitting the target.
          1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 11: 10 New
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            It’s already hard to hit 50km with ordinary shells .... and it makes no sense.
          2. novel66 April 7 2020 12: 15 New
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            and this is not a step back
            1. mat-vey April 7 2020 13: 20 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              and this is not a step back

              This system was designed and created for the tasks of 50 years ago ... And with the development of their own and enemy's equipment of that level ...
    3. venik April 7 2020 09: 44 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.

      ========
      The joke was once like this:
      "1937. A new prisoner was brought into the cell. Cellmates ask, supposedly - Who is that?
      - Plumber!
      - What article?
      - Politically!
      Everyone neighs: Well, where does the plumber have to do with politics? A man explains:
      - They called me to the Regional Committee, to change the faucet (they have a faucet in their toilet) .... Well, I looked, studied and said: "There’s no way to replace one faucet! Here THE WHOLE SYSTEM needs to be changed"
      wassat
      So here: one barrel does not get off ..... laughing
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 56 New
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        First you need a shell .... an analogue of Escalibur ... massive and relatively not expensive. And this is a problem not only of calibers from 100mm to 203mm, but also of MLRS systems and aviation ammunition and ammunition for UAVs. Therefore, it will be solved one way or another. If not, then another Tsushima or the Crimean War awaits us
        1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 09 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          First you need a shell .... analogue of Escalibur

          Creating a guided missile for the Hurricane is much cheaper. And the rocket itself will be much more effective.
          1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 11: 13 New
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            Simplicity is the same ... you need a GOS ..... with the same principle of operation and price. And what is more expensive: a gun + shell or MLRS and Rocket should be considered an accountant. Here, logistics also plays a role and the fact that Malki is and will not do new ones ...
            1. Lopatov April 7 2020 11: 47 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              Simplicity is the same

              This is what APR Petrel-2 looks like

              The engine gobbled up almost a third of the weight of explosives
              If you add a control system, it will be minus one third, no less.
              And there will remain a 203-mm shell with the power of action at the target, like a 122-mm shell.
              1. Tektor April 7 2020 16: 34 New
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                There is a hope that our developers will be able to make a miracle, and they will be able to develop an adjustable active-reactive projectile with a direct-flow engine in a caliber of 203 mm, such as this (caliber 152 mm):

                this one may even be hypersonic.
              2. Zaurbek April 7 2020 20: 49 New
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                Until some km, a projectile will be beneficial ... then a rocket. The knock-out shell is inexpensive. And the gun does another job.
            2. asv363 April 7 2020 13: 06 New
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              Different overloads occur in the shell and rockets of the MLRS at the time of the shot. The electronic "filling" of the projectile should be significantly more durable, which means more expensive.
          2. serezhasoldatow April 8 2020 14: 38 New
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            Khrushchev proclaimed such a thing in the 60s.
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    4. Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.

      This is not the main problem of this self-propelled gun.
      Translation time and rate of fire. They make the self-propelled guns obsolete and not up to date.
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 18: 51 New
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        For such a range and accuracy, the rate of fire is enough for the eyes.
    5. Hermit21 April 7 2020 09: 55 New
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      Fields in the 2000s offered for her shells with a range of 120 km. Now you can easily increase to 150+
      1. Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 56 New
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        Due to "rocketization". And that is pointless.
        1. Hermit21 April 8 2020 07: 36 New
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          Well no. The usual CAS, it seems. And why is it pointless?
    6. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 11: 39 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel

      then it’s not a new barrel, but a new gun. Increasing the firing range is not only a longer and more durable barrel, but also also a reinforced and larger charging chamber (for an enhanced charge), new recoil devices, etc.

      As for me, upgrading the fire control system (systems for receiving data from a senior battery officer, automatically receiving and entering data for firing is a more accurate and faster hit of a target with less ammunition consumption, the ability of the machine to integrate into KP of various levels) is of much greater benefit. and ammunition loading systems (increase in rate of fire, reduction in the strength of the calculation)
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 18: 52 New
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        Enemies with 155 howitzers are already shooting at her level ..... who will Malka shoot at?
        1. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 19: 16 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          who will Malka shoot at?

          honestly, I don’t see the tasks for this system in modern conditions. Rather, such tasks in which it would be indispensable or much more effective than existing systems (6-inch self-propelled howitzers and MLRS).
          1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 20: 50 New
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            Nobody is going to do their new ones ..... they are going to give them a decent power of their caliber
  2. barclay April 7 2020 09: 01 New
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    And nothing about increasing the firing range and rate of fire. It would also be nice for such a caliber projectile high accuracy type "Krasnopol".
    1. Aleks2048 April 7 2020 09: 12 New
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      If a shell with a special warhead, then deviations at the point of impact (of course, within reasonable limits) do not matter.
      1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 15 New
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        There are approaches to improve accuracy. Correction at the initial stage, inertial systems ....
      2. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 37 New
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        You can not sharpen the system only under the YaBCh ....
        1. Aleks2048 April 7 2020 09: 50 New
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          You can not sharpen the system only under the YaBCh ....

          Why? If there is no problem with ammunition, then actually why not use it?
          1. Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 59 New
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            Quote: Alex2048
            If there is no problem with ammunition

            Not the fact that "no problem"
            I’m not sure that their technical condition was supported. After all, shells in caliber 152 are much better in terms of combat use.
            1. K-612-O April 7 2020 13: 04 New
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              There are no problems, they have long been replaced, and new ones, both 240mm and 203mm, are mass-produced.
              1. Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 14 New
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                Quote: K-612-O
                There are no problems, they have long been replaced, and new ones, both 240mm and 203mm, are mass-produced.

                What's the point?
                The 152mm shell is much better. In terms of hiding preparation for striking.
                Well, 240 nuclear mine is generally epic nonsense. With its range of application ...
          2. Zaurbek April 7 2020 10: 00 New
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            To make a whole system under the BCH? Which will not be used? what for? Now there are also 152mm shells with nuclear warheads. And their range is already comparable.
      3. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 03 New
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        Quote: Alex2048
        If a shell with a special warhead, then deviations at the point of impact (of course, within reasonable limits) do not matter

        accuracy always matters, even when using nuclear weapons. Accuracy helps reduce collateral damage. In addition, nuclear weapons tactical, low power.
    2. Berber April 7 2020 09: 23 New
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      There is no need for Krasnopl. Enough guidance from a satellite or UAV. All the advantage in the cheapness of ammunition. Efficiency is like that of tactical short-range missiles, and the price is like that of a conventional artillery shell.
      1. VicktorVR April 7 2020 10: 31 New
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        Unfortunately, the price is far from the usual shell. Electronics and other things become very expensive when you need to withstand the overload that occurs when firing a howitzer. The same for the MLRS missile will be 10 times cheaper, if not 100 times.
      2. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 06 New
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        Quote: BerBer
        Enough satellite guidance

        this is the cheapest way to put a GPS receiver in a shell. The accuracy, however, will not be very, and you need to know the coordinates of the target in advance.

        Quote: BerBer
        or UAV

        laser-illuminated target? We get the same Krasnopol or Daredevil, only a larger caliber

        True, such shells are more expensive than MLRS missiles (electronics must withstand wild overloads when fired)
    3. venik April 7 2020 09: 35 New
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      Quote: barclay
      And nothing about increasing the firing range and rate of fire. It would also be nice for such a caliber projectile high accuracy type "Krasnopol".

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      Range and rate of fire - WITHOUT change (the gun itself is the same). To increase the range, a new barrel is needed, and essentially a NEW gun and NEW ammunition. Expensive!!! The guidance and communication system has been improved, which in theory should increase the accuracy of shooting and the possibility of external target designation.
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      Quote: barclay
      It would also be nice for such a caliber projectile high accuracy type "Krasnopol".

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      Hardly advisable! The Malka is good for firing at LONG distances (up to 47,5 km) And for the Krasnopol, EXTERNAL laser illumination of the target is needed. And who will do this? To send RDGs and the enemy rear to a rather great depth just for this? Something doubtful .....
      1. da Vinci April 7 2020 09: 43 New
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        Target designation - UAV for example.
  3. Mountain shooter April 7 2020 09: 08 New
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    The mighty cannon ... doesn’t interfere in any way with the "interaction" with the "partners" ... Well, you won’t spend on each goal of the Iskanders ... laughing powerful flexible fire destruction system. The projectile is more than a centner ... and the active-reactive range is almost 50 km. And he knows how to shoot nuclear shells ... The "long arm" of the commander.
    1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 16 New
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      Mighty, but it already gets 152-155mm system. It is necessary to give it a "long" tool ...... And it is also necessary to develop the ammunition of the MLRS systems of Hurricane and Tornado; they just can occupy the niche of the Tochka-U system.
  4. knn54 April 7 2020 09: 19 New
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    The firing range is up to 50 km and depends on the type of projectile. The rate of fire is 50 rounds per minute. Another 40 shells are transported in a separate machine.
    1. Yok Migarek April 7 2020 09: 24 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The firing range is up to 50 km and depends on the type of projectile. The rate of fire is 50 rounds per minute. Another 40 shells are transported in a separate machine.

      Almost a shot per second? On such a colossus! Something is not believed. You are not mistaken?
      1. knn54 April 7 2020 09: 42 New
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        Wrong, of course, at an o'clock. Thanks for the help.
    2. 113262a April 7 2020 09: 26 New
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      About 50 a minute, let's put it down! 50 per hour, I still believe it!
      1. Insurgent April 7 2020 09: 33 New
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        Quote: Yok-Migarek

        Almost a shot per second? On such a colossus! Something is not believed. You are not mistaken?

        Quote: 113262
        About 50 a minute, let's put it down! 50 per hour, I still believe it!


        Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5
        1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 11 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5

          Malki has five shots in two minutes.
        2. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 11 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5

          on a modernized car (Malka) - up to 2,5 rounds / minute
  5. 113262a April 7 2020 09: 31 New
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    According to Kiev, the most powerful army of Europa, too, put all its Peonies on the move. And even uses them from the age of 14.
  6. Scharnhorst April 7 2020 09: 32 New
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    Somehow I was not interested, but there was a hunch that such systems after the Cold War, Perestroika, the collapse of the Union, etc., etc., were cut on the basis of various Treaties and their own “Optimizations” of the Armed Forces. Thanks to the thrifty warrant officer for saving somewhere in the far corner of the captive! Guns are useful for Ukraine, the Baltic extinctions, zheks ...
    1. Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 38 New
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      Ukraine also has them.
      1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 13 New
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        Ukraine also has them.

        What is hinting ...
        Because, for example, the T-55 from KAZ in Ukraine was cut in due time. Under the control of the Americans and the money of the Americans.
      2. bayard April 7 2020 10: 42 New
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        There are, and before us, they often flew to us in Donetsk.
  7. Azazelo April 7 2020 09: 39 New
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    All the same, our strategists do not exclude the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
  8. Maxwrx April 7 2020 10: 11 New
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    Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army. The speed of deployment and, most importantly, coagulation is too high, they will be destroyed after a couple of shots. Firing rate of 50 rounds per hour, firing range 47 km. 8 shells. Now compare with the coalition. In 152 mm, you can also put a tactical charge. More than 10 rounds per minute, firing range up to 80 km, deployment / folding speed of a minute, 70 shells, higher accuracy, lower collateral damage. Also cheaper several times. The time of fortifications was long gone, all the expatriates were either removed from service or put into storage, 203 mm - the caliber is excessive, of course, if you do not compensate)
    1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: MaxWRX
      Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army.

      Some guys with stripes solve their problems with “size matters” laughing
      1. bk316 April 7 2020 17: 37 New
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        So explain why the usual 2a36 hyacinth has a rate of 7 rounds per minute, and some calculations from my unit managed to give out 8 and the little 2.5 after all the upgrades?
        And again, Malki’s transfer to the camp 3-5 minutes - this is the SPG, and we transferred our own for 5 - towed ....
    2. VicktorVR April 7 2020 10: 33 New
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      To paint and sell the Papuans at the cost price of the Coalition? :)
    3. bk316 April 7 2020 17: 34 New
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      Deployment speed and most importantly coagulation too high

      Well, not so big 3 minutes ...
  9. faterdom April 7 2020 11: 53 New
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    Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army.

    And with whom did the modern army have and have to fight?
    Not the main probable opponent, but the natural one, who is actually fighting with us?
    Yes, it is possible to test the “Gauges” on it, something else, such as 101 ... but not cost-effective, 500 iron pots, city rockets and artillery shells will grind them no worse, including and in shelters.
    This is in addition to the fact that no anti-aircraft / missile defense systems and other iron cumpoles can do anything against such a disc, and the satellite signal cannot be drowned out.
  10. nalogoplatelschik April 7 2020 12: 24 New
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    Good gun! A couple of shots end.
    1. Peter is not the first April 7 2020 15: 09 New
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      Who is the end? Cannon? To gunners or ...?