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Work on the modernization of self-propelled guns 2S7M "Malka" completed

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Work on the modernization of self-propelled guns 2S7M "Malka" completed

In Russia, work has completed on the modernization of the 2S7M Malka self-propelled gun. This 203 mm self-propelled gun is in service with the Russian Ground Forces. The first modification - 2C7 "Peony" - has been in operation since 1975, the upgraded version - 2C7M - since 1986.


According to the press service of Uraltransmash (part of UVZ), during the modernization of Malki, work was done to replace the gearbox, distribution mechanisms, and power supply units. Surveillance devices and guidance system, intercom equipment and radio station were replaced. Updated anti-nuclear defense complex. There was a possibility of aiming at the target with the help of UAVs.

The upgraded vehicle passed all the required tests, the first updated self-propelled gun was ready to be sent to the troops, the company announced its readiness for serial modernization of the existing fleet of self-propelled guns Malka.

Modernization improved driving performance, maneuverability and mobility, command controllability and all the main characteristics of the gun

- said in a statement.

It is worth noting that the 2S7M Malka, having a 2 mm gun caliber (44A203), is capable of firing various types of ammunition, including active-reactive and special ammunition with a nuclear warhead.

Large-caliber self-propelled guns at one time were developed as a means of possible tactical nuclear strike.

For reference: the 2S7M Malka combat mass in the previous layout was 46,5 tons, the crew was 6 people, the R-173 radio station was used, the transported ammunition was 8 rounds, and the self-propelled gun was put into combat position for 7 minutes.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 01 New
    -9
    You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii April 7 2020 09: 24 New
      +1
      Then it’s easier to assemble a new car, and this is a tactical vehicle.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 27 New
        -4
        On the tank, the barrel can be changed .... but not on the howitzer? Moreover, she does not have a tower.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 7 2020 09: 32 New
          -2
          What is the point of replacing the barrel with a different caliber?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 36 New
            +1
            Who wrote about another caliber? What is the difference between trunks on 152mm systems of the USSR and the Russian Federation? Or on 125mm tanks? Or NATO 155mm systems? Barrel length, Camora, barrel manufacturing, barrel materials .....
        2. venik
          venik April 7 2020 10: 09 New
          +9
          Quote: Zaurbek
          On the tank, the barrel can be changed .... but not on the howitzer?

          ======
          Не путайте понятие "trunk"And"gun"! Не надо также сравнивать smoothbore gun with threaded! And even more so, to compare 125 mm smoothbore tank guns and a rifled gun of extra-large power.
          That substantially to increase the firing range, it is necessary to replace not only the barrel, but also the breech, knurling, lifting mechanisms, etc. etc. (in short - EVERYTHING!). Those. create fundamentally NEW gun! And this is difficult, costly and long ....
          Here we are talking about modernization (during restoration), allowing you to slightly improve performance without huge costs!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: venik
            Не путайте понятие "ствол" и "орудие"!

            You did not understand.
            Zaurbek proposes to install a new gun on the self-propelled guns.
            Как это, к примеру, сделали с 2С1, путём установки 2А80 с "обвесом" получив "Хосту" 2С34.

            Moreover, the main characteristic of the new gun should be an increased firing range.
            1. novel66
              novel66 April 7 2020 10: 31 New
              +4
              but not accuracy ??
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: novel xnumx
                but not accuracy ??

                On the contrary, accuracy will decrease.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 April 7 2020 12: 15 New
                  +4
                  But then what is the point?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 10 New
                    +1
                    Range.
                    There is a certain hobby. Quite incomprehensible in the presence of MLRS
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 April 8 2020 09: 15 New
                      +3
                      and in the absence of adjustable ammunition
            2. venik
              venik April 7 2020 22: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              You did not understand. Zaurbek proposes to install a new gun on the self-propelled guns.

              =======
              1. Did you understand what Zaurbek meant and that offers??
              2. Вы же вроде артиллерист? Как думаете, НАСКОЛЬКО вырастет масса орудия такого класса 203-мм дальнобойная пушка, если увеличить дальность стрельбы в 2, а то и в 2.5 раза, как предлагает уважаемый Zaurbek??? А шасси эту махину потянет? Или получится как в том анекдоте: "... А теперь мы вместе со всей этой bullshit попытаемся взлететь..."?
    2. novel66
      novel66 April 7 2020 09: 39 New
      +2
      how to get? at such a range?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 52 New
        +1
        How do you plan to get on 152-155mm systems at 50-70km?
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 7 2020 10: 31 New
          +3
          there are adjustable shells, but for 203 I don’t know
          1. Bubuzon
            Bubuzon April 7 2020 12: 23 New
            +1
            Есть. Комплекс "Смельчак".
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Bubuzon
              Комплекс "Смельчак".

              240-mm
              Adjustable mine.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Zaurbek
          How do you plan to get on 152-155mm systems at 50-70km?

          Due to the number of shells. The more, the higher the probability of hitting the target.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2020 11: 10 New
            +1
            It’s already hard to hit 50km with ordinary shells .... and it makes no sense.
          2. novel66
            novel66 April 7 2020 12: 15 New
            +3
            and this is not a step back
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey April 7 2020 13: 20 New
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              and this is not a step back

              This system was designed and created for the tasks of 50 years ago ... And with the development of their own and enemy's equipment of that level ...
    3. venik
      venik April 7 2020 09: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.

      ========
      The joke was once like this:
      "1937 год. В камеру завели нового арестанта. Сокамерники спрашивают, мол - Кто таков?
      - Plumber!
      - What article?
      - Politically!
      Everyone neighs: Well, where does the plumber have to do with politics? A man explains:
      - Вызвали меня в Обком, кран поменять (там у них кран в туалете потек).... Ну я посмотрел, изучил и говорю: "Тут заменой одного крана не отделаться! Тут THE WHOLE SYSTEM needs to be changed!"
      wassat
      So here: one barrel does not get off ..... laughing
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 56 New
        0
        Нужен сначала снаряд....аналог Эскалибура...массовый и относительно не дорогой. А это проблема не только калибров от 100мм до 203мм , но и систем РСЗО и авиационных боеприпасов и боеприпасов для БПЛА. Поэтому она будет решена так или иначе. Если нет, то нас ждет очередная "Цусима" или "Крымская война"
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          First you need a shell .... analogue of Escalibur

          Создать управляемый вариант ракеты к "Урагану" намного дешевле. А сама ракета будет намного эффективнее.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2020 11: 13 New
            0
            Simplicity is the same ... you need a GOS ..... with the same principle of operation and price. And what is more expensive: a gun + shell or MLRS and Rocket should be considered an accountant. Here, logistics also plays a role and the fact that Malki is and will not do new ones ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 7 2020 11: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Simplicity is the same

              Вот так выглядит АРС "Буревестник-2"

              The engine gobbled up almost a third of the weight of explosives
              If you add a control system, it will be minus one third, no less.
              And there will remain a 203-mm shell with the power of action at the target, like a 122-mm shell.
              1. Tektor
                Tektor April 7 2020 16: 34 New
                0
                There is a hope that our developers will be able to make a miracle, and they will be able to develop an adjustable active-reactive projectile with a direct-flow engine in a caliber of 203 mm, such as this (caliber 152 mm):

                this one may even be hypersonic.
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 7 2020 20: 49 New
                +1
                Until some km, a projectile will be beneficial ... then a rocket. The knock-out shell is inexpensive. And the gun does another job.
            2. asv363
              asv363 April 7 2020 13: 06 New
              +3
              Разные перегрузки возникают у снаряда и ракеты РСЗО в момент выстрела. Электронная "начинка" снаряда должна быть существенно выносливее, а значит - дороже.
          2. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow April 8 2020 14: 38 New
            0
            Khrushchev proclaimed such a thing in the 60s.
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    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel in a modern spirit ... and shoot 100-120 km with new shells.

      This is not the main problem of this self-propelled gun.
      Translation time and rate of fire. They make the self-propelled guns obsolete and not up to date.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 18: 51 New
        +1
        For such a range and accuracy, the rate of fire is enough for the eyes.
    5. Hermit21
      Hermit21 April 7 2020 09: 55 New
      +1
      Fields in the 2000s offered for her shells with a range of 120 km. Now you can easily increase to 150+
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 56 New
        +4
        За счёт "ракетизации". И это бессмысленно.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 April 8 2020 07: 36 New
          0
          Well no. The usual CAS, it seems. And why is it pointless?
    6. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 7 2020 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can put a new barrel

      then it’s not a new barrel, but a new gun. Increasing the firing range is not only a longer and more durable barrel, but also also a reinforced and larger charging chamber (for an enhanced charge), new recoil devices, etc.

      As for me, upgrading the fire control system (systems for receiving data from a senior battery officer, automatically receiving and entering data for firing is a more accurate and faster hit of a target with less ammunition consumption, the ability of the machine to integrate into KP of various levels) is of much greater benefit. and ammunition loading systems (increase in rate of fire, reduction in the strength of the calculation)
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 18: 52 New
        0
        Enemies with 155 howitzers are already shooting at her level ..... who will Malka shoot at?
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 7 2020 19: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          who will Malka shoot at?

          honestly, I don’t see the tasks for this system in modern conditions. Rather, such tasks in which it would be indispensable or much more effective than existing systems (6-inch self-propelled howitzers and MLRS).
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2020 20: 50 New
            +1
            Nobody is going to do their new ones ..... they are going to give them a decent power of their caliber
  2. barclay
    barclay April 7 2020 09: 01 New
    +6
    И ничего про повышение дальности стрельбы и скорострельности. Также неплохо было бы для такого калибра снаряд повышенной точности по типу "Краснополя".
    1. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 April 7 2020 09: 12 New
      0
      If a shell with a special warhead, then deviations at the point of impact (of course, within reasonable limits) do not matter.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 15 New
        -2
        There are approaches to improve accuracy. Correction at the initial stage, inertial systems ....
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 37 New
        +1
        You can not sharpen the system only under the YaBCh ....
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 April 7 2020 09: 50 New
          +1
          You can not sharpen the system only under the YaBCh ....

          Why? If there is no problem with ammunition, then actually why not use it?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 7 2020 09: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Alex2048
            If there is no problem with ammunition

            Не факт, что "нет проблем"
            I’m not sure that their technical condition was supported. After all, shells in caliber 152 are much better in terms of combat use.
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O April 7 2020 13: 04 New
              +1
              There are no problems, they have long been replaced, and new ones, both 240mm and 203mm, are mass-produced.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 7 2020 13: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: K-612-O
                There are no problems, they have long been replaced, and new ones, both 240mm and 203mm, are mass-produced.

                What's the point?
                The 152mm shell is much better. In terms of hiding preparation for striking.
                Well, 240 nuclear mine is generally epic nonsense. With its range of application ...
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2020 10: 00 New
            +2
            To make a whole system under the BCH? Which will not be used? what for? Now there are also 152mm shells with nuclear warheads. And their range is already comparable.
      3. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Alex2048
        If a shell with a special warhead, then deviations at the point of impact (of course, within reasonable limits) do not matter

        accuracy always matters, even when using nuclear weapons. Accuracy helps reduce collateral damage. In addition, nuclear weapons tactical, low power.
    2. Berber
      Berber April 7 2020 09: 23 New
      +3
      Там не нужен "Краснопль". Достаточно наведения со спутника или БПЛА. Всё преимущество в дешевизне боеприпасов. Эффективность как у тактических ракет малой дальности, а цена как у обычного артиллерийского снаряда.
      1. VicktorVR
        VicktorVR April 7 2020 10: 31 New
        +1
        Unfortunately, the price is far from the usual shell. Electronics and other things become very expensive when you need to withstand the overload that occurs when firing a howitzer. The same for the MLRS missile will be 10 times cheaper, if not 100 times.
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: BerBer
        Enough satellite guidance

        this is the cheapest way to put a GPS receiver in a shell. The accuracy, however, will not be very, and you need to know the coordinates of the target in advance.

        Quote: BerBer
        or UAV

        laser-illuminated target? We get the same Krasnopol or Daredevil, only a larger caliber

        True, such shells are more expensive than MLRS missiles (electronics must withstand wild overloads when fired)
    3. venik
      venik April 7 2020 09: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: barclay
      И ничего про повышение дальности стрельбы и скорострельности. Также неплохо было бы для такого калибра снаряд повышенной точности по типу "Краснополя".

      =======
      Range and rate of fire - WITHOUT change (the gun itself is the same). To increase the range, a new barrel is needed, and essentially a NEW gun and NEW ammunition. Expensive!!! The guidance and communication system has been improved, which in theory should increase the accuracy of shooting and the possibility of external target designation.
      --------
      Quote: barclay
      Также неплохо было бы для такого калибра снаряд повышенной точности по типу "Краснополя".

      ========
      Вряд ли целесообразно! "Малка" хороша для стрельбы на БОЛЬШИЕ дистанции (до 47,5 км) А для "Краснополя", необходима ВНЕШНЯЯ подсветка цели лазером. А КТО это будет делать? Посылать РДГ а тыл противника на довольно большую глубину только для этого? Сомнительно что-то.....
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci April 7 2020 09: 43 New
        +1
        Target designation - UAV for example.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 7 2020 09: 08 New
    +1
    Могучая пушка...никак не помешает при "взаимодействии" с "партнёрами"... Ну не будешь же по каждой цели "Искандеров" расходовать... laughing мощная гибкая система огневого поражения. Снаряд - больше центнера...и дальность активно- реактивным - почти 50 км. И ядерными снарядами стрелять умеет... "Длинная рука" комдива.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 16 New
      0
      Могучая, но ее уже достают 152-155мм системы. Нужно дать ей "длинный" инструмент......И нужно так же развивать боеприпасы систем РСЗО Урагана и Смерча они как раз могут занять нишу системы Точка-У.
  4. knn54
    knn54 April 7 2020 09: 19 New
    -1
    The firing range is up to 50 km and depends on the type of projectile. The rate of fire is 50 rounds per minute. Another 40 shells are transported in a separate machine.
    1. Yok Migarek
      Yok Migarek April 7 2020 09: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      The firing range is up to 50 km and depends on the type of projectile. The rate of fire is 50 rounds per minute. Another 40 shells are transported in a separate machine.

      Almost a shot per second? On such a colossus! Something is not believed. You are not mistaken?
      1. knn54
        knn54 April 7 2020 09: 42 New
        +2
        Wrong, of course, at an o'clock. Thanks for the help.
    2. 113262a
      113262a April 7 2020 09: 26 New
      +3
      About 50 a minute, let's put it down! 50 per hour, I still believe it!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 7 2020 09: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Yok-Migarek

        Almost a shot per second? On such a colossus! Something is not believed. You are not mistaken?

        Quote: 113262
        About 50 a minute, let's put it down! 50 per hour, I still believe it!


        Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5

          У "Малки" пять выстрелов за две минуты.
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          Firing rate, rounds / min - 1,5

          on a modernized car (Malka) - up to 2,5 rounds / minute
  5. 113262a
    113262a April 7 2020 09: 31 New
    +1
    According to Kiev, the most powerful army of Europa, too, put all its Peonies on the move. And even uses them from the age of 14.
  6. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst April 7 2020 09: 32 New
    +1
    Как-то не интересовался, но было предчувствие, что подобные системы после Холодной войны, Перестройки, Развала Союза и тд и тп,порезали на основе разных Договоров и собственных "Оптимизаций" ВС. Спасибо запасливому прапорщику, что сохранил где-то в дальнем углу каптёрки! Пригодятся пушечки для украины, прибалтийских вымиратов, пшеков...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 7 2020 09: 38 New
      +1
      Ukraine also has them.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Ukraine also has them.

        What is hinting ...
        Because, for example, the T-55 from KAZ in Ukraine was cut in due time. Under the control of the Americans and the money of the Americans.
      2. bayard
        bayard April 7 2020 10: 42 New
        +2
        There are, and before us, they often flew to us in Donetsk.
  7. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 7 2020 09: 39 New
    0
    All the same, our strategists do not exclude the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
  8. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx April 7 2020 10: 11 New
    +1
    Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army. The speed of deployment and, most importantly, coagulation is too high, they will be destroyed after a couple of shots. Firing rate of 50 rounds per hour, firing range 47 km. 8 shells. Now compare with the coalition. In 152 mm, you can also put a tactical charge. More than 10 rounds per minute, firing range up to 80 km, deployment / folding speed of a minute, 70 shells, higher accuracy, lower collateral damage. Also cheaper several times. The time of fortifications was long gone, all the expatriates were either removed from service or put into storage, 203 mm - the caliber is excessive, of course, if you do not compensate)
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: MaxWRX
      Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army.

      Некоторые дядьки с лампасами решают свои проблемы с "размер имеет значение" laughing
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 7 2020 17: 37 New
        +1
        So explain why the usual 2a36 hyacinth has a rate of 7 rounds per minute, and some calculations from my unit managed to give out 8 and the little 2.5 after all the upgrades?
        And again, Malki’s transfer to the camp 3-5 minutes - this is the SPG, and we transferred our own for 5 - towed ....
    2. VicktorVR
      VicktorVR April 7 2020 10: 33 New
      0
      Покрасить и продать папуасам по цене себестоимости "Коалиции"? :)
    3. bk316
      bk316 April 7 2020 17: 34 New
      +1
      Deployment speed and most importantly coagulation too high

      Well, not so big 3 minutes ...
  9. faterdom
    faterdom April 7 2020 11: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: MaxWRX
    Oh, I do not understand its meaning in the modern army.

    And with whom did the modern army have and have to fight?
    Not the main probable opponent, but the natural one, who is actually fighting with us?
    Да, на нем можно испытать "Калибры", еще что-нибудь, типа 101... но не рентабельно, чугунки по 500, градовские ракеты и артиллерийские снаряды перемелют их не хуже, в т.ч. и в укрытиях.
    This is in addition to the fact that no anti-aircraft / missile defense systems and other iron cumpoles can do anything against such a disc, and the satellite signal cannot be drowned out.
  10. nalogoplatelschik
    nalogoplatelschik April 7 2020 12: 24 New
    0
    Good gun! A couple of shots end.
    1. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first April 7 2020 15: 09 New
      0
      Who is the end? Cannon? To gunners or ...?