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The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk are delayed

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The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk are delayed

The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk are delayed, the delivery of the facility is delayed for at least a year. As reported "Businessman", the reason for the delay is problems with the contractor - the St. Petersburg company "Investments. Engineering. Construction".


The work required to dock Admiral Kuznetsov is planned to be completed in May 2021, and not in 2020, as previously stated. The United Shipbuilding Corporation, which concluded a contract worth 20 billion rubles with a St. Petersburg company for the modernization of the dry dock, is already threatening the contractor with a contract break.

OSK has accumulated a number of complaints against the St. Petersburg company, including the failure to meet the construction deadlines. It is reported that the contractor has financial problems, but he has undertaken increased obligations.

(...) he undertook increased obligations, the main mobilization of equipment and personnel to carry out the volume of work of the first stage of construction was carried out. We hope to increase the pace of construction. If this does not happen, we will initiate the termination of the contract

- stated in the corporation, adding that another contractor will be selected for the second stage of construction.

Although the USC claims that work on the dock will be completed in May 2021 and this will allow the docking of Admiral Kuznetsov and hand it over in 2022, some experts doubt this. The increased damage from the fire on board the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock may lead to the fact that the ship will return to service no earlier than 2023.


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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 3 2020 11: 59 New
    +3
    And again "time shift to the right" ... Sad. Sad and disgusting.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 3 2020 12: 02 New
      15
      Although the USC claims that work on the dock will be completed in May 2021 and this will allow the docking of Admiral Kuznetsov and hand it over in 2022, some experts doubt this. The increased damage from the fire on board the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock may lead to the fact that the ship will return to service no earlier than 2023.



      It gives me a shiver about what they’ll do to me if I really write what I really think about USC and all effective managers, including the top one ...

      There is nothing good to say, therefore, I’ll be silent ... Like at a funeral ...
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        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 3 2020 13: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Mobius
          Well, tell me, everyone is "ours" here ...

          Excuse me, pan - Ukrainian troll (or just fool ) There is no porch, do not serve No. .

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      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar April 3 2020 12: 48 New
        +5
        The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk are delayed ...

        At such moments, you recall the death penalty, from the time of the NKVD .... this is deliberate wrecking, enemies of the state!
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        2. Peter is not the first
          Peter is not the first April 3 2020 16: 05 New
          +2
          This is not a problem in the absence of the NKVD, but a mistake in the principles of state procurement, when it is not the one who can do the bidding who is the one who will offer the lower cost of the work.
        3. Grits
          Grits April 4 2020 02: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Bone
          this is deliberate wrecking, enemies of the state!

          This is hardly a deliberate wrecking. I am sure that these contractors sincerely wish to do the work efficiently and on time. BUT. Silenok is not enough. not at ease took the load. And here the question arises - is there anyone at all who will pull this load? I doubt it. The whole problem is the general degradation of the Russian economy. There are simply no production capacities, the necessary machines and mechanisms, machines, equipment are not enough. And most importantly, there are no people who know how to do this and those who know how to do it. Those who knew and knew how - either deep old men or not in this world.
      3. Pavel57
        Pavel57 April 3 2020 13: 08 New
        -1
        In the original, about the dead or good, or the truth.
      4. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 3 2020 13: 28 New
        -4
        Quote: Insurgent
        USC and all effective managers, including the top ...

        Well, you would put things in order!
        ps
        Well, clean up your apartment .... at least ...
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      5. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 3 2020 15: 27 New
        +2
        Afraid - don’t say, if you said - don’t be afraid.
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          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 April 3 2020 16: 15 New
            -2
            Yes, I have them somehow from a big mountain. They made their choice and I'm not going to feel sorry for them.
      6. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 3 2020 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent

        There is nothing good to say, therefore, I’ll be silent ... Like at a funeral ...

        I have nothing to say either. But the question in the language revolves - to eliminate the consequences of the fire, why dry dock? I understand that docking is necessary for a certain type of work. But what can be done without docking, why not?
    2. kjhg
      kjhg April 3 2020 12: 14 New
      11
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And again "time shift to the right" ... Sad. Sad and disgusting.

      It's time to get used to the fact that this state of affairs has long been the "norm". All these promises to hand over the aircraft carrier on time, despite the flooding of the floating dock, the fire on the aircraft carrier, etc., are not worth the paper on which they are written. And the point here is not at all in the complexity of the work and not in ordinary performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I approve this because I had to work at an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 3 2020 13: 30 New
        16
        Quote: kjhg
        It's time to get used to the fact that this state of affairs has long been the "norm". All these promises to hand over the aircraft carrier on time, despite the flooding of the floating dock, the fire on the aircraft carrier, etc., are not worth the paper on which they are written. And the point here is not at all in the complexity of the work and not in ordinary performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I approve this because I had to work at an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.

        The thing is that the amount allocated for repairs is poorly divided or they can’t agree on the percentage of cuts, as a result they steal everything, and the piglets are ishsho, then the deadlines are shifted, after which they recognize the dock as not repairable and will sell it like metal to the Chinese , and the proceeds from the sale steal money again.
      2. Grits
        Grits April 4 2020 02: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: kjhg
        And the point here is not at all the complexity of the work and not the rank and file performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I affirm this because I had to work on an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.

        It seems to me that this whole system of tenders is vicious and harmful from the beginning. Tenders are won by firms like "Horns and Hooves" with one desk and a telephone on it, at which the director and one accountant sit. And a lawyer on the chair. They just offered the lowest price ... For some reason, there were no tenders in the USSR and everything worked fine.
        In any case, in relation to large objects of state importance, these tenders must be canceled and a contractor appointed. At a high state level based on national importance and expediency. The ministries are also well aware of factories and companies that are able to perform certain jobs.
    3. cost
      cost April 3 2020 12: 53 New
      -4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      .. sad. Sad and disgusting.

      Don’t be sad, dear, everything will be fine and there will be a holiday on our street
    4. cormorant
      cormorant April 3 2020 13: 33 New
      +4
      And of course, when they signed the contract with the contractor, his financial problems were not visible. An independent financial audit, to sign a contract for 20 billion was also not conducted. I congratulate USC on the successful development of the allocated funds. In fact, 20 billion is the cost of two Gorshkov type frigates. negative
      1. kjhg
        kjhg April 3 2020 14: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: cormorant
        In fact, 20 billion is the cost of two Gorshkov type frigates.

        belay What is the price of what year? Pledged in 2016 corvette The daring will cost the budget 29 billion rubles. The cost of 5 and 6 frigates of the Gorshkov series is approaching 40 billion rubles.
        1. cormorant
          cormorant April 4 2020 04: 09 New
          +1
          Thank you for correcting hi
          When it was laid, it cost 9 billion rubles. Now these are of course completely different numbers. Let there be one frigate, the sum is astronomical anyway.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 3 2020 11: 59 New
    +7
    Of course, I am not a shipbuilder engineer, but I don’t understand: is a dry dock, in fact, a huge hangar, harder to build than a SSBN or a nuclear aircraft carrier?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 3 2020 12: 16 New
      +4
      Nobody builds nuclear aircraft carriers here. SSBN is being built by Sevmash, but it is not involved in the construction of dry docks. Something like this.
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 April 3 2020 17: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      Of course, I am not a shipbuilder engineer, but I don’t understand: is a dry dock, in fact, a huge hangar, harder to build than a SSBN or a nuclear aircraft carrier?

      We cannot build such a huge one ourselves. There are no capacities. The Chinese can, but then drive it through the half-globe is not an option. This one was also built in Sweden back in the USSR and then problems arose with the drive to Murmansk.
      And now, under sanctions, one should not even think that someone will undertake to build in Europe.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 3 2020 17: 16 New
        +3
        I do not understand why even the Swedes can build dry docks, but we do not? What is so big about them? Are they more complicated than space stations, nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers?
        1. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 April 3 2020 17: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Doccor18
          I do not understand why even the Swedes can build dry docks, but we do not? What is so big about them? Are they more complicated than space stations, nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers?

          This is one of the largest docks in the world. Accordingly, the shipyards should be huge. Ours, the Soviet one that built Kuznetsov, remained in Nikolaev. And the Swedes built (and themselves designed, by the way) in sections, and then welded under water.
          It is generally not clear how during the Cold War the Americans missed such a special operation of the Soviet Navy.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 3 2020 17: 51 New
            +3
            The USSR was capable of everything, it built itself, and what it could not, it was filigree bought on the side, and almost from its opponents. Japan has machine tools for processing apl screws just what it costs ..
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 April 3 2020 18: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Doccor18
              The USSR was capable of everything, it built itself, and what it could not, it was filigree bought on the side, and almost from its opponents. Japan has machine tools for processing apl screws just what it costs ..

              Yes, I remember this scandal - as a kid I listened to "Voice of America" ​​- they talked about this "purchase of the century".)) In the USSR in the media, no one word, not half a word.)
              1. Grits
                Grits April 4 2020 02: 55 New
                0
                Quote: ROSS_51
                Yes, I remember this scandal - as a kid I listened to the Voice of America - they talked about this "purchase of the century"

                And I saw these machines "live". A couple of years after the publication in the media that "ichtamnet"
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 3 2020 22: 03 New
          +1
          And why ship diesel engines (any) Finland can build
          - including the largest in the world - but Russia does not know how?
          Specialization: Russia - atom, Finland - diesels.
      2. Grits
        Grits April 4 2020 02: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: ROSS_51
        We cannot build such a huge one ourselves. There are no capacities. The Chinese can, but then drive it through the half-globe is not an option. This one was also built in Sweden back in the USSR and then problems arose with the drive to Murmansk.
        And now, under sanctions, one should not even think that someone will undertake to build in Europe.

        You confuse dry dock with floating
        1. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 April 4 2020 15: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Gritsa

          You confuse dry dock with floating

          I spoke about PD 50.
          And about the dry dock, this project of connecting two docks for an average repair in the 12th year was proposed.
  3. knn54
    knn54 April 3 2020 12: 00 New
    0
    In the name itself, construction is in last, third place ...
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 3 2020 12: 01 New
    +5
    And where is our prosecutor? How did they give a contract to a half-bankrupt company? Or, without kickbacks ABSOLUTELY nothing is solved in the country?
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 3 2020 12: 20 New
      0
      Let the prosecutor be told how they concluded, who signed, how much they drank, what they said ..
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 April 4 2020 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where is our prosecutor? How did they give a contract to a half-bankrupt company? Or, without kickbacks ABSOLUTELY nothing is solved in the country?

      Not kickbacks, but laying companies as a way to wash money. Who would allow you to get a contract for 20 yards without this?
      Remember, when starting work at the cosmodrome, Vostochny Medvedev personally warned - the prosecutor’s office will work — who stopped this?
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  6. newcomer
    newcomer April 3 2020 12: 08 New
    +1
    Poor "Kuznetsov" ... God willing, we'll see him in the ranks on 22/23.
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  7. bars1
    bars1 April 3 2020 12: 18 New
    +7
    Here you will regretfully regret that I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria ...
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    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ April 3 2020 13: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: bars1
      I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria ..

      and if there were ....
      then, most likely, you would be engaged in physical labor in the fresh air ... like me ....
  8. alexmach
    alexmach April 3 2020 12: 18 New
    +1
    some experts doubt it. The increased damage from a fire aboard the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock, can cause the ship to return to service no earlier than 2023

    Very strange. Damage from the fire, whatever it may be after all, can be eliminated without a dock.
    1. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 April 3 2020 17: 40 New
      0
      Quote: alexmach
      some experts doubt it. The increased damage from a fire aboard the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock, can cause the ship to return to service no earlier than 2023

      Very strange. Damage from the fire, whatever it may be after all, can be eliminated without a dock.

      They eliminate him. But this is not just to paint bulkheads. It is not known what equipment in the compartment was destroyed by the fire — decks may need to be cut for replacement.
      And the dock is needed to repair the propeller-steering group, which Kuznetsov was in the dock at that time.
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 3 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    But how did you conclude a contract? Are not these, increased obligations, guarded?
  10. askort154
    askort154 April 3 2020 12: 24 New
    +6
    According to Kommersant, the reason for the delay is problems with the contractor - the St. Petersburg company Investments. Engineering. Construction.

    On the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, the contractor stole an astronomical sum, which could have been used to build another cosmodrome.
    And this is not an isolated case. Everywhere, contractors do not fit into the amount declared by them at competitive selections. This has become a system that needs to be urgently changed. Even to us from afar, terry corruption in this system is visible.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 3 2020 14: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      Even from afar, terry corruption in this system is visible ...

      ... that you can get rid of only cardinal measures: an exceptional measure and the complete confiscation of property with the deprivation of ranks, merit and benefits.
      yes
  11. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 3 2020 12: 28 New
    10
    When, due to sloppiness and "psevoeconomy", the floating dock PD50 was drowned, it became clear to many that the aircraft carrier would "hang" for a long time. Build a new float on land. or even modifying the existing two was not easy. It is not very expensive to build something new in our country, and the "Komsomol enthusiasm" of fast grandiose construction projects has been lost.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 3 2020 13: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: xomaNN
      lost the "Komsomol enthusiasm" of fast grandiose construction projects

      This is normal. Each country has periods of greatest prosperity. For France, this is the era of Napoleon Bonaparte, for Britain the imperial century of 1815-1914. The heyday of Russia was the USSR. Therefore, the Komsomol enthusiasm is irrevocably a thing of the past. The future of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsova" is predetermined, a fragment of the fleet of the great country will perish in repair. Just like the Roman triremes, they left after the Roman Empire.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. April 3 2020 14: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Therefore, the Komsomol enthusiasm is irrevocably a thing of the past. The future of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsova" is predetermined, a fragment of the fleet of the great country will perish in repair. Just like the Roman triremes, they left after the Roman Empire.

        How to know ...
        Paris Commune - 70 days.
        The Soviet Union is about 70 years old.
        The next nation-state is 700 years old.
        And then it is even unimaginable to dream, let the descendants build the future ... in which the interplanetary cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union AG Kuznetsov" will be able to dock in every planetary system.
  12. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan April 3 2020 12: 46 New
    +6
    35th Shipyard. March 2020 Work is underway: plunger diving, drilling and piling.


    1. cormorant
      cormorant April 3 2020 13: 38 New
      +7
      Are these 3 cranes and two wagons in a row worth 20 billion rubles? Honestly, I am shocked by such a picture.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 3 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        There are three more excavators. Demolition work between the docks. 35th Shipyard. 21.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX year
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    3. Grits
      Grits April 4 2020 03: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      35th Shipyard. March 2020 Work is underway: plunger diving, drilling and piling

      And on the all-snowing snowball, even traces of movement are not visible. What the hell drilling and diving ...
  13. RwFanat_Kirov
    RwFanat_Kirov April 3 2020 13: 29 New
    +1
    And such news every day. All this is sad ...
  14. Keeping
    Keeping April 3 2020 13: 31 New
    +9
    You can be offended, minus ... But when the dock is built, it turns out that the technology is lost, then the lack of professional workers, then the lack of Soviet spare parts, and also equipment problems due to sanctions and in the end the lack of a finished project, which actually change to what.
    In a word - this is a Klondike for the development of funds and the postponement of any dates.
  15. Zabvo
    Zabvo April 3 2020 13: 52 New
    +3
    It will not be surprising if then again a fire or some other way of delaying the deadlines.
  16. senima56
    senima56 April 3 2020 13: 53 New
    0
    Do we have something done somewhere on time ?! (I'm already silent about the ahead of schedule!)
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 3 2020 13: 56 New
    +3
    December 10, 2019 at 12:57 in response to this:
    Despite the increased volume of necessary repairs, the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in Russia, Admiral Kuznetsov, is planned to be returned to the fleet in 2022, as stipulated in the contract.

    https://topwar.ru/165633-avianesuschemu-krejseru-admiral-kuznecov-potrebovalsja-dopolnitelnyj-remont.html
    I wrote:
    Quote: ROSS 42
    And I am sure that it will not be repaired until March 2024 ... You can be sure ... But believe me ... The film was like this: "Believe me, people!"

    And I won’t change my opinion ...
    Quote: Keeping
    But when the dock is built, it turns out that the technology is lost, then the lack of professional workers, then the absence of the Soviet spare parts, and also equipment problems due to sanctions and in the end the lack of a finished project, what to change and what.

    You have missed the presence of the crew by this time and the pilots that will take off from it ...
    1. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 April 3 2020 17: 48 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42

      You have missed the presence of the crew by this time and the pilots that will take off from it ...

      And where is the availability going? The crew serves. Pilots fly.
  18. huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 3 2020 14: 00 New
    +3
    Stretched). Since my release in 98g. a classmate got to Kuzya, an engineer in the ZRAK "Kortik" division. He was sent on a business trip for spare parts to a decommissioned ship in Severodvinsk. The commander of the ship said in parting words that if he restored the mate part and performed the firing, he would eat his cap)))
    1. Grits
      Grits April 4 2020 03: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: huntsman650
      The commander of the ship partingly said that if he restores the mat part and firing, then he will eat his cap

      I am sure that the captain did not choke on fabric and plastic.
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 April 4 2020 08: 51 New
        0
        Of course not)))
  19. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov April 3 2020 15: 05 New
    +3
    I can’t understand why OSK is still headed by this manager? Where are the FSB, SK and the Prosecutor's Office looking?
    We have breakdowns in terms of absolutely all shipbuilding programs - the norm.
    I consider this a deliberate wrecking, corruption, and possibly work for foreign intelligence services.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 April 3 2020 16: 47 New
      +2
      Everything has been clear for a long time that it is not clear here) the fu team was also unfastened to the head. The country is ruled by oligarchs and all security officials work for them in the first place, but they themselves do not know about it)))
    2. senima56
      senima56 April 3 2020 16: 49 New
      +3
      But is it only in USC that there are "missed deadlines"? But wherever you look: the same (and offensive) is happening in the UAC! Everywhere they recruited "menager" in the leadership! fool fool fool Previously, factories and plants were managed by engineers, and now they are "managers" who run a plant or a hairdressing salon! They are "managers"! And most importantly, there is no "individual responsibility" for the assigned direction! Ditch the aircraft industry - sent to shipbuilding! And we must go to the felling! Where is the landing, Vladimir Vladimirovich?
  20. 89625588851
    89625588851 April 3 2020 15: 21 New
    +2
    At least once for our fleet something would have been done ahead of schedule .... No, after all, bl ..., they only know how to shift the terms to the right.
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 3 2020 15: 25 New
    0
    Against the backdrop of this crown everywhere and everything is put off, nothing surprising.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 April 4 2020 08: 49 New
      0
      Not a crown, but a creed)
  22. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda April 3 2020 20: 28 New
    +3
    Yes, it will be faster to agree with the United States so that they take Kuzyu to Newport News for docking)))
  23. exo
    exo April 3 2020 22: 03 New
    0
    The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) represented by Zvyozdochka Shipyard Center JSC sent the St. Petersburg company Investments. Engineering. Construction (IS) a notice of termination of the contract for 6,5 billion rubles. five%.

    Notification from Zvyozdochka (which is part of the USC) I.S. On April 3, 47News was at the disposal, the company itself noted that they had not received it yet and did not know anything about the termination of the contract. Since July 5 last year, the company was engaged in the reconstruction and technical re-equipment of a 2-chamber dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk. After completion of the work, and they are fully estimated at about 20 billion rubles, he should accept the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov for repairs. By the way, today it became known the amount of damage from a fire on the ship six months ago in the hold of the first energy compartment. He is estimated at half a billion rubles ....
    The press service of the Zvezdochka CS briefly confirmed the information to 47news. "A notice of termination of the contract has been sent," an official representative of the company told 47news. " (from)