The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk are delayed

The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk are delayed, the delivery of the facility is delayed for at least a year. As reported "Businessman", the reason for the delay is problems with the contractor - the St. Petersburg company "Investments. Engineering. Construction".

The work required to dock Admiral Kuznetsov is planned to be completed in May 2021, and not in 2020, as previously stated. The United Shipbuilding Corporation, which concluded a contract worth 20 billion rubles with a St. Petersburg company for the modernization of the dry dock, is already threatening the contractor with a contract break.

OSK has accumulated a number of complaints against the St. Petersburg company, including the failure to meet the construction deadlines. It is reported that the contractor has financial problems, but he has undertaken increased obligations.

(...) he undertook increased obligations, the main mobilization of equipment and personnel to carry out the volume of work of the first stage of construction was carried out. We hope to increase the pace of construction. If this does not happen, we will initiate the termination of the contract

- stated in the corporation, adding that another contractor will be selected for the second stage of construction.

Although the USC claims that work on the dock will be completed in May 2021 and this will allow the docking of Admiral Kuznetsov and hand it over in 2022, some experts doubt this. The increased damage from the fire on board the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock may lead to the fact that the ship will return to service no earlier than 2023.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

And again "time shift to the right" ... Sad. Sad and disgusting.

[Insurgent]

Although the USC claims that work on the dock will be completed in May 2021 and this will allow the docking of Admiral Kuznetsov and hand it over in 2022, some experts doubt this. The increased damage from the fire on board the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock may lead to the fact that the ship will return to service no earlier than 2023.

It gives me a shiver about what they’ll do to me if I really write what I really think about USC and all effective managers, including the top one ...

There is nothing good to say, therefore, I’ll be silent ... Like at a funeral ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mobius

Well, tell me, everyone is "ours" here ...

Excuse me, pan - Ukrainian troll (or just ) There is no porch, do not serve ...

[Kostyar]

The deadlines for the modernization of the dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk are delayed ...

At such moments, you recall the death penalty, from the time of the NKVD .... this is deliberate wrecking, enemies of the state!

[Peter is not the first]

This is not a problem in the absence of the NKVD, but a mistake in the principles of state procurement, when it is not the one who can do the bidding who is the one who will offer the lower cost of the work.

[Grits]

Quote: Bone

this is deliberate wrecking, enemies of the state!

This is hardly a deliberate wrecking. I am sure that these contractors sincerely wish to do the work efficiently and on time. BUT. Silenok is not enough. not at ease took the load. And here the question arises - is there anyone at all who will pull this load? I doubt it. The whole problem is the general degradation of the Russian economy. There are simply no production capacities, the necessary machines and mechanisms, machines, equipment are not enough. And most importantly, there are no people who know how to do this and those who know how to do it. Those who knew and knew how - either deep old men or not in this world.

[Pavel57]

In the original, about the dead or good, or the truth.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Insurgent

USC and all effective managers, including the top ...

Well, you would put things in order!
ps
Well, clean up your apartment .... at least ...

[Ros 56]

Afraid - don’t say, if you said - don’t be afraid.

[Ros 56]

Yes, I have them somehow from a big mountain. They made their choice and I'm not going to feel sorry for them.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Insurgent

There is nothing good to say, therefore, I’ll be silent ... Like at a funeral ...

I have nothing to say either. But the question in the language revolves - to eliminate the consequences of the fire, why dry dock? I understand that docking is necessary for a certain type of work. But what can be done without docking, why not?

[kjhg]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And again "time shift to the right" ... Sad. Sad and disgusting.

It's time to get used to the fact that this state of affairs has long been the "norm". All these promises to hand over the aircraft carrier on time, despite the flooding of the floating dock, the fire on the aircraft carrier, etc., are not worth the paper on which they are written. And the point here is not at all in the complexity of the work and not in ordinary performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I approve this because I had to work at an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.

[Malyuta]

Quote: kjhg

It's time to get used to the fact that this state of affairs has long been the "norm". All these promises to hand over the aircraft carrier on time, despite the flooding of the floating dock, the fire on the aircraft carrier, etc., are not worth the paper on which they are written. And the point here is not at all in the complexity of the work and not in ordinary performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I approve this because I had to work at an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.

The thing is that the amount allocated for repairs is poorly divided or they can’t agree on the percentage of cuts, as a result they steal everything, and the piglets are ishsho, then the deadlines are shifted, after which they recognize the dock as not repairable and will sell it like metal to the Chinese , and the proceeds from the sale steal money again.

[Grits]

Quote: kjhg

And the point here is not at all the complexity of the work and not the rank and file performers (workers), but in the existing system itself. I affirm this because I had to work on an object won through a tender and financed by the federal budget.

It seems to me that this whole system of tenders is vicious and harmful from the beginning. Tenders are won by firms like "Horns and Hooves" with one desk and a telephone on it, at which the director and one accountant sit. And a lawyer on the chair. They just offered the lowest price ... For some reason, there were no tenders in the USSR and everything worked fine.
In any case, in relation to large objects of state importance, these tenders must be canceled and a contractor appointed. At a high state level based on national importance and expediency. The ministries are also well aware of factories and companies that are able to perform certain jobs.

[cost]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

.. sad. Sad and disgusting.

Don’t be sad, dear, everything will be fine and there will be a holiday on our street

[cormorant]

And of course, when they signed the contract with the contractor, his financial problems were not visible. An independent financial audit, to sign a contract for 20 billion was also not conducted. I congratulate USC on the successful development of the allocated funds. In fact, 20 billion is the cost of two Gorshkov type frigates.

[kjhg]

Quote: cormorant

In fact, 20 billion is the cost of two Gorshkov type frigates.

What is the price of what year? Pledged in 2016 corvette The daring will cost the budget 29 billion rubles. The cost of 5 and 6 frigates of the Gorshkov series is approaching 40 billion rubles.

[cormorant]

Thank you for correcting
When it was laid, it cost 9 billion rubles. Now these are of course completely different numbers. Let there be one frigate, the sum is astronomical anyway.

[Doccor18]

Of course, I am not a shipbuilder engineer, but I don’t understand: is a dry dock, in fact, a huge hangar, harder to build than a SSBN or a nuclear aircraft carrier?

[alexmach]

Nobody builds nuclear aircraft carriers here. SSBN is being built by Sevmash, but it is not involved in the construction of dry docks. Something like this.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Doccor18

Of course, I am not a shipbuilder engineer, but I don’t understand: is a dry dock, in fact, a huge hangar, harder to build than a SSBN or a nuclear aircraft carrier?

We cannot build such a huge one ourselves. There are no capacities. The Chinese can, but then drive it through the half-globe is not an option. This one was also built in Sweden back in the USSR and then problems arose with the drive to Murmansk.
And now, under sanctions, one should not even think that someone will undertake to build in Europe.

[Doccor18]

I do not understand why even the Swedes can build dry docks, but we do not? What is so big about them? Are they more complicated than space stations, nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers?

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Doccor18

I do not understand why even the Swedes can build dry docks, but we do not? What is so big about them? Are they more complicated than space stations, nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers?

This is one of the largest docks in the world. Accordingly, the shipyards should be huge. Ours, the Soviet one that built Kuznetsov, remained in Nikolaev. And the Swedes built (and themselves designed, by the way) in sections, and then welded under water.
It is generally not clear how during the Cold War the Americans missed such a special operation of the Soviet Navy.

[Doccor18]

The USSR was capable of everything, it built itself, and what it could not, it was filigree bought on the side, and almost from its opponents. Japan has machine tools for processing apl screws just what it costs ..

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Doccor18

The USSR was capable of everything, it built itself, and what it could not, it was filigree bought on the side, and almost from its opponents. Japan has machine tools for processing apl screws just what it costs ..

Yes, I remember this scandal - as a kid I listened to "Voice of America" ​​- they talked about this "purchase of the century".)) In the USSR in the media, no one word, not half a word.)

[Grits]

Quote: ROSS_51

Yes, I remember this scandal - as a kid I listened to the Voice of America - they talked about this "purchase of the century"

And I saw these machines "live". A couple of years after the publication in the media that "ichtamnet"

[voyaka uh]

And why ship diesel engines (any) Finland can build
- including the largest in the world - but Russia does not know how?
Specialization: Russia - atom, Finland - diesels.

[Grits]

Quote: ROSS_51

We cannot build such a huge one ourselves. There are no capacities. The Chinese can, but then drive it through the half-globe is not an option. This one was also built in Sweden back in the USSR and then problems arose with the drive to Murmansk.
And now, under sanctions, one should not even think that someone will undertake to build in Europe.

You confuse dry dock with floating

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Gritsa

You confuse dry dock with floating

I spoke about PD 50.
And about the dry dock, this project of connecting two docks for an average repair in the 12th year was proposed.

[knn54]

In the name itself, construction is in last, third place ...

[Thrifty]

And where is our prosecutor? How did they give a contract to a half-bankrupt company? Or, without kickbacks ABSOLUTELY nothing is solved in the country?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Let the prosecutor be told how they concluded, who signed, how much they drank, what they said ..

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Thrifty

And where is our prosecutor? How did they give a contract to a half-bankrupt company? Or, without kickbacks ABSOLUTELY nothing is solved in the country?

Not kickbacks, but laying companies as a way to wash money. Who would allow you to get a contract for 20 yards without this?
Remember, when starting work at the cosmodrome, Vostochny Medvedev personally warned - the prosecutor’s office will work — who stopped this?

[newcomer]

Poor "Kuznetsov" ... God willing, we'll see him in the ranks on 22/23.

[bars1]

Here you will regretfully regret that I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: bars1

I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria ..

and if there were ....
then, most likely, you would be engaged in physical labor in the fresh air ... like me ....

[alexmach]

some experts doubt it. The increased damage from a fire aboard the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock, can cause the ship to return to service no earlier than 2023

Very strange. Damage from the fire, whatever it may be after all, can be eliminated without a dock.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: alexmach

some experts doubt it. The increased damage from a fire aboard the cruiser, as well as the delayed delivery of the dock, can cause the ship to return to service no earlier than 2023

Very strange. Damage from the fire, whatever it may be after all, can be eliminated without a dock.

They eliminate him. But this is not just to paint bulkheads. It is not known what equipment in the compartment was destroyed by the fire — decks may need to be cut for replacement.
And the dock is needed to repair the propeller-steering group, which Kuznetsov was in the dock at that time.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

But how did you conclude a contract? Are not these, increased obligations, guarded?

[askort154]

According to Kommersant, the reason for the delay is problems with the contractor - the St. Petersburg company Investments. Engineering. Construction.

On the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, the contractor stole an astronomical sum, which could have been used to build another cosmodrome.
And this is not an isolated case. Everywhere, contractors do not fit into the amount declared by them at competitive selections. This has become a system that needs to be urgently changed. Even to us from afar, terry corruption in this system is visible.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: askort154

Even from afar, terry corruption in this system is visible ...

... that you can get rid of only cardinal measures: an exceptional measure and the complete confiscation of property with the deprivation of ranks, merit and benefits.

[xomaNN]

When, due to sloppiness and "psevoeconomy", the floating dock PD50 was drowned, it became clear to many that the aircraft carrier would "hang" for a long time. Build a new float on land. or even modifying the existing two was not easy. It is not very expensive to build something new in our country, and the "Komsomol enthusiasm" of fast grandiose construction projects has been lost.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: xomaNN

lost the "Komsomol enthusiasm" of fast grandiose construction projects

This is normal. Each country has periods of greatest prosperity. For France, this is the era of Napoleon Bonaparte, for Britain the imperial century of 1815-1914. The heyday of Russia was the USSR. Therefore, the Komsomol enthusiasm is irrevocably a thing of the past. The future of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsova" is predetermined, a fragment of the fleet of the great country will perish in repair. Just like the Roman triremes, they left after the Roman Empire.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Therefore, the Komsomol enthusiasm is irrevocably a thing of the past. The future of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsova" is predetermined, a fragment of the fleet of the great country will perish in repair. Just like the Roman triremes, they left after the Roman Empire.

How to know ...
Paris Commune - 70 days.
The Soviet Union is about 70 years old.
The next nation-state is 700 years old.
And then it is even unimaginable to dream, let the descendants build the future ... in which the interplanetary cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union AG Kuznetsov" will be able to dock in every planetary system.

[Bashkirkhan]

35th Shipyard. March 2020 Work is underway: plunger diving, drilling and piling.

[cormorant]

Are these 3 cranes and two wagons in a row worth 20 billion rubles? Honestly, I am shocked by such a picture.

[Bashkirkhan]

There are three more excavators. Demolition work between the docks. 35th Shipyard. 21.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX year

[Grits]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

35th Shipyard. March 2020 Work is underway: plunger diving, drilling and piling

And on the all-snowing snowball, even traces of movement are not visible. What the hell drilling and diving ...

[RwFanat_Kirov]

And such news every day. All this is sad ...

[Keeping]

You can be offended, minus ... But when the dock is built, it turns out that the technology is lost, then the lack of professional workers, then the lack of Soviet spare parts, and also equipment problems due to sanctions and in the end the lack of a finished project, which actually change to what.
In a word - this is a Klondike for the development of funds and the postponement of any dates.

[Zabvo]

It will not be surprising if then again a fire or some other way of delaying the deadlines.

[senima56]

Do we have something done somewhere on time ?! (I'm already silent about the ahead of schedule!)

[Ross xnumx]

December 10, 2019 at 12:57 in response to this:

Despite the increased volume of necessary repairs, the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in Russia, Admiral Kuznetsov, is planned to be returned to the fleet in 2022, as stipulated in the contract.

https://topwar.ru/165633-avianesuschemu-krejseru-admiral-kuznecov-potrebovalsja-dopolnitelnyj-remont.html
I wrote:

Quote: ROSS 42

And I am sure that it will not be repaired until March 2024... You can rest assured... But you believe... The film was like this: "Believe me, people!"

And I won’t change my opinion ...

Quote: Keeping

But when the dock is built, it turns out that the technology is lost, then the lack of professional workers, then the absence of the Soviet spare parts, and also equipment problems due to sanctions and in the end the lack of a finished project, what to change and what.

You have missed the presence of the crew by this time and the pilots that will take off from it ...

[ROSS_51]

Quote: ROSS 42

You have missed the presence of the crew by this time and the pilots that will take off from it ...

And where is the availability going? The crew serves. Pilots fly.

[huntsman650]

Stretched). Since my release in 98g. a classmate got to Kuzya, an engineer in the ZRAK "Kortik" division. He was sent on a business trip for spare parts to a decommissioned ship in Severodvinsk. The commander of the ship said in parting words that if he restored the mate part and performed the firing, he would eat his cap)))

[Grits]

Quote: huntsman650

The commander of the ship partingly said that if he restores the mat part and firing, then he will eat his cap

I am sure that the captain did not choke on fabric and plastic.

[huntsman650]

Of course not)))

[Andrew Zhukov]

I can’t understand why OSK is still headed by this manager? Where are the FSB, SK and the Prosecutor's Office looking?
We have breakdowns in terms of absolutely all shipbuilding programs - the norm.
I consider this a deliberate wrecking, corruption, and possibly work for foreign intelligence services.

[huntsman650]

Everything has been clear for a long time that it is not clear here) the fu team was also unfastened to the head. The country is ruled by oligarchs and all security officials work for them in the first place, but they themselves do not know about it)))

[senima56]

But is it only in USC that there are "missed deadlines"? But wherever you look: the same (and offensive) is happening in the UAC! Everywhere they recruited "menager" in the leadership! Previously, factories and plants were managed by engineers, and now they are "managers" who run a plant or a hairdressing salon! They are "managers"! And most importantly, there is no "individual responsibility" for the assigned direction! Ditch the aircraft industry - sent to shipbuilding! And we must go to the felling! Where is the landing, Vladimir Vladimirovich?

[89625588851]

At least once for our fleet something would have been done ahead of schedule .... No, after all, bl ..., they only know how to shift the terms to the right.

[Ros 56]

Against the backdrop of this crown everywhere and everything is put off, nothing surprising.

[huntsman650]

Not a crown, but a creed)

[KrolikZanuda]

Yes, it will be faster to agree with the United States so that they take Kuzyu to Newport News for docking)))

[exo]

The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) represented by Zvyozdochka Shipyard Center JSC sent the St. Petersburg company Investments. Engineering. Construction (IS) a notice of termination of the contract for 6,5 billion rubles. five%.

Notification from Zvyozdochka (which is part of the USC) I.S. On April 3, 47News was at the disposal, the company itself noted that they had not received it yet and did not know anything about the termination of the contract. Since July 5 last year, the company was engaged in the reconstruction and technical re-equipment of a 2-chamber dry dock at the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk. After completion of the work, and they are fully estimated at about 20 billion rubles, he should accept the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov for repairs. By the way, today it became known the amount of damage from a fire on the ship six months ago in the hold of the first energy compartment. He is estimated at half a billion rubles ....
The press service of the Zvezdochka CS briefly confirmed the information to 47news. "A notice of termination of the contract has been sent," an official representative of the company told 47news. " (from)