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How coronavirus exposed the helplessness of modern world medicine

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On Thursday, the head of the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM) Valery Fedorov at a meeting of the Center’s scientific council, organized in an online format in TASS, announced that the number of Russians “panicking” due to the situation with coronavirus dropped sharply - from a third to a quarter .


People are not to blame


VTsIOM conducted its research twice - on March 16 and 24–25. Sociologists note: the first fear, when the population bought up products and consumer goods, has already passed. Panic became less, but the percentage of anxious people remained high.

And the head of the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, in the study of which noted that the number of panics "has sharply decreased," further states:

It can be stated that the proportion of those who are alarmed, who believe that now we are in a crisis or beyond, it will only increase, about 71–73%, that is, almost three quarters of our fellow citizens.


The center did not really explain any of the oddities in the figures of "panicking" and "excited", as well as the cause of the panic and excitement of people. Let's try to figure it out for ourselves. To begin with, the tension in society arose on the lack of information about the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic.

Somewhere our academics from medicine have disappeared from public space. While on all channels - most often the "stars", which themselves circled the whole world, and now they suddenly decided to urge everyone to stay at home. It’s interesting to whom they first turn to: retirees from the hinterland, who even in normal times sometimes do not go further than the store, or still to themselves? ..

So where are those representatives of medical science who could explain to people the essence of what is happening not with the thesis "it is said to sit at home - so sit", but from the point of view of medicine, body properties, immunity issues, etc.

Probably, the domestic luminaries of this science decided not to shine in order to save themselves from reputation losses in the event of an incorrect assessment of the development of a pandemic. That is why the resulting vacuum was filled by all those who, even without a pandemic, do not leave the screens. Some argue that masks should be worn, others claim that masks from the coronavirus will not be saved anyway, still others require washing their hands for at least 20 minutes, while others call it complete nonsense.

Bad example of "professionals"


All this information mess was unpleasantly diluted with specific facts from the professional activities of physicians. The first in this series was the chief infectious disease specialist of the Stavropol Territory. She managed to bring the "coronavirus" into the region "on herself", and even infect a dozen people.

The learned lady was accused of negligence. In fact, the conflict should be explained either by the low professional level of the Stavropol professor from medicine, or by a complete neglect of health in general. Obviously, over the years of her scientific activity, rich specialized knowledge has not become the norm in everyday habits and skills. As they say, the theory diverged from the practice of life.

Similar история happened to the famous Syktyvkar surgeon. A physician who invades human flesh knows how to protect it from viruses and other infections. However, he could not do it himself. In a foreign tourist trip, the surgeon caught an infection. Then he infected relatives, colleagues and patients. As a result, more than 50 cases of coronavirus infection have already been detected in the district hospital where this person works.

The attention of the whole country was attracted by the story of the chief doctor of the Moscow City Clinical Hospital No. 40 in the village of Kommunarka. He met in his clinic the president of the country, the mayor of Moscow, and health care executives. In a clear and authoritative way, he said in a television camera how to protect ourselves from a dangerous infection.

People felt that there were professionals in the country who could defeat the infection. They have the knowledge, competence of specialists and professional confidence. Alas, the chief physician of Kommunarka did not become an example to us and very soon he caught the coronavirus. I wish a speedy recovery ...

From the practice of the Middle Ages


All these examples are given here not to condemn scandalous professionals, but to understand the fact that medicine of the 21st century is also powerless against dangerous infections, as it was, for example, in the Middle Ages.

Then, as can be seen from historical sources, they knew about the viral epidemic that it is not infinite, it has time boundaries. And two simple things can protect against infection - personal hygiene and isolation of healthy people from sick people.

Centuries passed, but these two rules remained relevant to this day. Whoever neglected them, fell ill, or even died. A similar picture can be observed not only among patients at infectious diseases hospitals, but also among physicians affected by coronavirus in all regions of the world, without exception, where a dangerous pandemic has entered.

Why did it happen? It can be explained by the fact that modern medicine is aimed not at ridding people of ailments, but at their permanent treatment. So it is beneficial to pharmaceutical companies and related medical institutions.

Viral infections are fleeting and poorly predicted. The business from medicine does not see much point in wasting money on them, studying. Even the flu, which coughs up hundreds of thousands of people every year, the World Health Organization last year drew systemic attention and developed a long-term strategy to combat this disease.

So it turns out that the authorities, not having clear modern recommendations from doctors on how to overcome the pandemic of the virus, are forced to use proven medieval rules: isolating the population and strengthening the hygiene regime. Sooner or later, the infection itself will "run out" under these conditions. Well, if you're lucky - someone will find a vaccine, if they will ...

So there is nothing surprising in the fact that President Vladimir Putin extended the forced weekend because of the coronavirus until the end of April. Apart from self-isolation of citizens in power and medicine, apparently, there is still no more effective tool to combat the pandemic.
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  1. Overlock
    Overlock April 3 2020 16: 22 New
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    I believe that with such a scale of events, not a single health system can cope quickly. The question is the attitude of the state towards medicine and the prevention of such conditions. Closed or island states in this situation in a known advantageous position
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 3 2020 16: 26 New
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      Quote: Overlock
      The question is the attitude of the state towards medicine and the prevention of such conditions.

      I would add questions .. A question for the special services ... what if it was a war virus and 5% would die from it, not 50%? Is everything to heaven?
      And the question is for the state to provide for its citizens while they are self-insulated ..
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 3 2020 16: 35 New
        +6
        And this is a battle virus. Responses to reconnaissance in battle are more than enough!
        1. PROVINCIAL
          PROVINCIAL April 4 2020 17: 08 New
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          I agree that this is not an ordinary virus, its difference is high survivability outside the carrier, a high likelihood of complications, and from media information it is selectivity towards the elderly population. This is not a war virus, but rather a test for reaction, action and countermeasures. This is solely my opinion.
        2. Plate
          Plate April 9 2020 15: 53 New
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          And this is a battle virus

          And who is the developer? Who benefited, did not get infected (at least not much), did not experience a strong direct blow from the virus?
      2. kjhg
        kjhg April 3 2020 16: 39 New
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        In the Soviet Union hated by the current authorities, there were measures to combat chemical and biological weapons, there were stockpiles of chemicals, suits, etc. Of course, in our time, nobody will walk down the street in a heavy OZK suit, which we all at least once in our lives have worn. But was it really impossible to create a state supply of modern, light biological protection suits, masks, with filter elements, etc.? After all, who should think about such threats and take care of measures and means to combat them?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 3 2020 16: 40 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          After all, who should think about such threats and take care of measures and means to combat them?

          That is the difference .. the Soviet government thought about its people .. and the present thinks only about its own benefits ..
          1. Mestny
            Mestny April 3 2020 18: 53 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            the Soviet government thought of its people .. and the present thinks only of its own benefits ..

            I thought. Only viruses did not know about it.
            "The largest epidemics in the history of the USSR"
            https://news.rambler.ru/world/37288524-krupneyshie-epidemii-v-istorii-sssr/?updated
            So offhand.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog April 3 2020 19: 17 New
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              Quote: Mestny
              I thought. Only viruses did not know about it.

              Viruses were also aware of this .. This can be seen by how the population of the USSR grew .. and now we see an annual decrease of 300 tons per year ..
              1. Mestny
                Mestny April 3 2020 19: 46 New
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                So did it grow thanks to virus awareness?
                There is a kind of talk about viral epidemics., And the quality of medicine.
                Here, some said that there were no epidemics in the USSR, because the medicine was excellent.
                But the facts speak of something else - there were, and some more. The current smokes around the corner.
              2. mmaxx
                mmaxx April 4 2020 06: 25 New
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                Growth due to Central Asia.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 April 4 2020 08: 10 New
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              Quote: Mestny
              "The largest epidemics in the history of the USSR"

              Incidentally, this article talks about a very effective system for dealing with biological hazards. And about the victories of the Soviet system!
          2. Den717
            Den717 April 3 2020 21: 52 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            That is the difference .. the Soviet government thought about its people .. and the present thinks only about its own benefits ..

            Well, why didn't you save that power? All rushed to "freedom", and the people themselves "threw" that power that thinks about the people.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 3 2020 17: 07 New
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          All this is expensive for capitalism. Millions of specials. suits to protect the population do not bring profit, which means they are not needed. Hospitals and doctors do not bring profit - cut. Capitalism somehow does not fit with the state’s readiness for a big OH.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 3 2020 17: 47 New
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            Quote: Doccor18
            Capitalism somehow does not fit with the state’s readiness for a big OH.

            In the collapse of the USSR, PAZPHZ and civil defense were immediately canceled. All additional equipment was ordered to be handed over to the warehouses, only I sent 6 KAMAZ trucks, and from the warehouses to the scrap. They removed the HLF and CSF, dismantled the water protection systems, the degassing and decontamination posts. The Warsaw block was dismissed, the NATO (not dismissed) and Russia brothers, finally peace and brotherhood came. But these were only dreams or drunken visions. Close to the elbow, but do not bite ...
            1. turbris
              turbris April 3 2020 21: 47 New
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              Well, who needs these moans about the USSR now, it’s collapsed, it’s been removed, and so what? We are talking about today, what should be done, are there any suggestions? If not, then leave your memories to yourself, they are of no interest to anyone.
              1. for
                for April 3 2020 23: 45 New
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                Quote: turbris
                We are talking about today, what should be done, are there any suggestions?

                In any proposal FOR PEOPLE in the State Duma they will find a corruption component or under the cloth.
          2. Mestny
            Mestny April 3 2020 19: 48 New
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            Quote: Doccor18
            Capitalism somehow does not fit with the state’s readiness for a big OH.

            Read the history of epidemics in the USSR. How much has died.
            It will become clearer. The desire to shout about capitalism and socialism may decrease.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 3 2020 19: 55 New
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              I will not reason abstractly.
              In 1988, in a village in the Amur Region, one doctor suspected cholera. Well, I suspected that I called the district health department.
              An hour passed ... one and a half ... And then about 40 trucks, 2 companies of soldiers, about 50 medical workers arrived in the village. 6 doctors. They scared the whole village. We set up a quarantine camp on the same day. By the way, cholera is not confirmed. Somehow in a market economy, I can hardly imagine this.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny April 3 2020 20: 06 New
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                I say it again - read the statistics of those years. "In one village" is from the OBS series.
                1. nikvic46
                  nikvic46 April 3 2020 20: 32 New
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                  Sergey. And who was interested in compiling these statistics? Now there are a lot of statistics on the Gulag and even on the Second World War.
                2. Labeanov
                  Labeanov April 4 2020 09: 43 New
                  +3
                  So enlighten the orphans and the wretched. Give texts, links, numbers. You can say a lot of things. And one person in the YEAR is not an epidemic.
              2. mmaxx
                mmaxx April 4 2020 06: 28 New
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                In Transbaikalia, this cholera and typhoid fever went constantly. In Soviet times. At least one person died a year. No one declared quarantine camps.
                1. mmaxx
                  mmaxx April 5 2020 16: 27 New
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                  Minus members ?! Do you think that there were no such diseases? Write what is wrong. I was there.
              3. BastaKarapuzik And
                BastaKarapuzik And April 4 2020 11: 34 New
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                Somehow in Russia market and purely state mechanisms are combined. Liberals shout, little freedom, proponents of socialism shout, mess, return the USSR. We all strategic enterprises have a controlling stake in the hands of the state. This is good, since the oligarchs do not always have to pin hopes. but at the same time, I work at a state-owned enterprise, it would be hard to imagine such powerlessness and helplessness. Management can't do anything has no authority. Impotence is the most suitable synonym.
                Sitting on the priest straight and waiting for when they will bark at the top will give money, that's all they can do, at best, create visibility.
                But on the other hand, the enterprise nevertheless does the work; private traders are not capable of this at all. All this is done with a monstrous creak, from the lower posts of the picture it looks as if there are no leaders at all, no one is managing anything, not thinking about anything.
                Why are such leaders very often found in state-owned enterprises? Why is there no healthy competition, why are not truly talented specialists nominated for leaders? Why are managers and accountants managing, not engineers? In my opinion, the entire state structure is just a hotbed of such managers. but in fact, I repeat, this is the best we have (so far).
                The only thing for which I am writing this is that it is not necessary to idealize certain forms of management.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 April 4 2020 08: 12 New
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              Quote: Mestny
              The desire to shout about capitalism and socialism may decrease.

              Under socialism, the need to limit personal freedom was perceived normally. And under Capitalism, this is a tragedy if you can’t go to Turkey! laughing
              1. Octopus
                Octopus April 4 2020 12: 11 New
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                Quote: aybolyt678
                And under Capitalism, this is a tragedy if you can’t go to Turkey!

                In fact, in Israel, everyone is sitting at home very friendly. In addition to some young Arabs, of course.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 3 2020 17: 37 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          After all, who should think about such threats and take care of measures and means to combat them?

          The same people should think in the same positions as they were under the USSR. The system has been proven and efficient. What is not now in any country in the world. One country is China, which has shown that it is possible to fight, and even that was not ready, although it managed to rebuild on the fly and began to help others. The whole of humanity is a lesson.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny April 3 2020 19: 51 New
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            Communist medicine of China could not offer anything but restrictions (the same as with us now).
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The system has been proven and efficient.

            It was, but not medical, and ideological.
            They died very vigorously during epidemics. But there was complete silence in the newspapers and on the radio.
        4. NordUral
          NordUral April 3 2020 20: 08 New
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          What are you talking about, Voroshilov shooter? These one concern is to develop the budget. We are for them a heavy and unnecessary load.
          These in the States will either give or sell, but not to us.
          The "Guarantor" told the regions yesterday: come out the guys yourself, as you can. Regions and citizens - no gu-gu about money.
          In Russia, only poor fellows, as he understands it, are banks and oligarchs.
        5. antivirus
          antivirus April 3 2020 20: 15 New
          +2
          in short - the parade on May 9, boxes will be held in L1-OZK and gas masks.
          THE PARADE WILL TAKE PLACE IN ANY EPID SITUATION.
          this is overcoming karma
        6. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 4 2020 08: 03 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          After all, who should think about such threats and take care of measures and means to combat them?

          In our country, the NPO "Vector" -Soviet Heritage, a paramilitary enterprise, which has a bank of viruses and everything necessary for a quick response to biological hazards, has survived.
          Unfortunately, the media bypasses such the most effective way of treating a viral infection as the use of immune sera from patients with the illness.
          1. grad2308
            grad2308 April 4 2020 13: 31 New
            +1
            Let's hope that the NGO "Vector" is working and looking not only for methods, but also for a reliable vaccine. ))
            https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8161491?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

            Center "Vector" performed 2 million tests for coronavirus
            "To date, we have already produced 2 million tests, this is enough not only to cover all the needs of the regions of the Russian Federation, but also to supply free of charge to a wide range of countries to which we provide assistance in the fight against this infection," he said ...
            According to him, Russia has already provided assistance to Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Belarus, as well as Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Serbia and others. In addition, appeals came from Singapore and the United States.
            Maksyutov also explained that when the test systems were still being developed, a live virus was not yet available, so the sensitivity was assessed using artificial genetic constructs, and it was initially underestimated. "Therefore, only when it became possible to work with a live virus, we actually tested and showed high sensitivity," he added.
            Domestic test systems were tested for sensitivity and specificity in China in early February, where two sets of reagents, 500 tests each, were sent.

            PS The site "cuts" the link. THOSE. not the whole address.
            1. sgapich
              sgapich April 4 2020 17: 18 New
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              Quote: grad2308
              PS The site "cuts" the link. THOSE. not the whole address.

              Referral links may be cut off. Just a link to this note: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8161491 hi
      3. Campanella
        Campanella April 3 2020 16: 53 New
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        And what is the point of asking questions when the answers are on the surface?
        They cannot deal with the economy, but you want the virus to be overcome. And they don’t need it. They have everything in a bundle and ventilation devices and the whole Central Clinical Hospital licks them.
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    2. knn54
      knn54 April 3 2020 16: 57 New
      +3
      The question in another pharmaceutical monopoly needs only profit.
      For example, in the 70s, if not earlier, a cure for diabetes was invented, effective and inexpensive. But then there is no need for insulin, which brings astronomical profits to manufacturers.
      They either agreed with the scientist or simply liquidated.
      And an attempt to "force" some viruses to fight other-AIDS against some kind of fever. Generally stupid. But funds are allocated. And what will be covered in darkness as a result. Maybe this virus is the result of a similar experiment?
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener April 3 2020 17: 06 New
        +7
        For example, in the 70s, if not earlier, a cure for diabetes was invented, effective and inexpensive. But then there is no need for insulin, which brings astronomical profits to manufacturers.
        And how do these manufacturers manage to sell insulin to patients with type XNUMX diabetes?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 3 2020 19: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          And how do these manufacturers manage to sell insulin to patients with type XNUMX diabetes?

          They sell it to the state, like vaccines. To wind up the society, through manual deputies and officials to lobby the decision on the need for state procurement of the drug, and voila - grandmas flow like a river!
          1. Avior
            Avior April 3 2020 21: 09 New
            +5
            Different types of diabetes
            Not all diabetics need insulin
          2. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener April 4 2020 09: 20 New
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            In diabetes mellitus of the second type, insulin is not needed, from the word in general. laughing
      2. Avior
        Avior April 3 2020 21: 08 New
        +4
        If someone now launches a cure for diabetes, he will get rich in such a way that not one insulin producer could dream of
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 3 2020 23: 09 New
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          Quote: Avior
          , it will become rich in such a way that not a single insulin producer has dreamed

          Do you know the joke how a Jewish lawyer on the very first day of his practice decided a case that his father could not solve? About 20 years ago, one very serious computer developer said. that now it’s easy to release processors hundreds of times more powerful, and they don’t do it just because they did not sell those that are more powerful 2, 3, 4, etc. times.
          1. Avior
            Avior April 3 2020 23: 20 New
            +3
            To speak, do not toss bags smile
            They could have done it long ago to kill competitors in the bud.
            And with the medicine, diabetes patients are ready to pay huge sums to cure
            Even those diabetics who don't need insulin.
            Only there is no medicine.
            If it were, a person who wanted to release it would be found right there, including those who do not release any insulin.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 3 2020 23: 25 New
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              Quote: Avior
              They could have done it long ago to kill competitors in the bud.

              Perhaps, but something else is possible. Concepts such as corporate conspiracy have not been canceled. So for some reason I’m sure if you invent a water engine and run to file a patent, you won’t get to the patent office. You will be killed.
              Quote: Avior
              Diabetic patients are prepared to pay huge sums to cure

              After the cure, they will not be interested in a large farm. request
              1. Avior
                Avior April 4 2020 00: 08 New
                +3
                It is full of companies with money and connections that insulin does not release and which are insensitive to the income of insulin producers
                They would have grabbed such a medicine with both hands
                Similarly with the engine
                There will always be influential people who want to make money.
                And about the patent office, you can rest assured that there are quite a lot of patents.
                To patent is not a problem; when patenting, nobody is interested in your profitable invention or not.
                Such inventors roam in bundles, wanting to attach their patents, most of the patents are trash that no one will issue.
                If you have to do a patent search somehow, see for yourself how much has been invented and no one needs.
                But if you prove later that the profitable one will be full of people who want to let out, and nobody will hinder it, there will always be people who want to earn money, which nobody will hinder.
                1. riwas
                  riwas April 4 2020 06: 46 New
                  +3
                  The Chinese make money on the coronavirus. In the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang, the Japanese drug Favipiravir or Avigan was launched.
                  https://www.kp.ru/online/news/3767751/
                  And they sell it to us over the Internet.
                  https://proektgn.com/preparaty/favilavir-avigan-zhejiang-hisun-pharmaceutical
                  Although the Japanese say that in severe cases, it does not help and serious side effects.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 3 2020 17: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Overlock
      I believe that with such a scale of events, not a single health system can cope quickly.

      Quote: Svarog
      And the question is for the state to provide for its citizens while they are self-insulated ..

      Quote: Svarog
      That is the difference .. the Soviet government thought about its people .. and the present thinks only about its own benefits ..

      good good yes
      How coronavirus exposed the helplessness of modern world medicine

      So you yourself answered your own question. The coronavirus did not expose the helplessness of world medicine, but the inability of countries to live in good neighborliness, and governments - to an agreement. You see very well that the spread was due to the “Chinese Avos” and the fact that the population was not well informed. Under the guise of ordinary flu (colds, SARS), a more insidious virus hid. In China, you need to eat less raw and half-baked food of animal origin, and do not be shy to notify the rest of the world about the appearance of just such a disease. The rest of the "navels of the earth" should remember that health is above all, and the organization of the order is not to twist the hands of a picketer with a portrait or slogan, but to ensure the strict implementation of quarantine measures.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 3 2020 19: 52 New
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        Twist picketers - this is the quarantine action. One of.
    4. gridasov
      gridasov April 4 2020 09: 34 New
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      To solve issues when the disease is already in its prime is of course very difficult. Therefore, you must first be able to act proactively at the first sign of what could potentially develop to a new level.
    5. Strashila
      Strashila April 4 2020 11: 10 New
      0
      "I believe that with such a scale of what happened, no health care system is able to quickly cope.", the tough conditions of the USSR were built on a multi-level system, which liberals love to make fun of, it is not economically beneficial, but vital. Based on outright hysteria, we can conclude that the civil defense structure was destroyed, and there were clear plans of what to do in the event of a biological threat, there was equipment and supplies for disinfection of territories and transport, a multi-level structure (hospital, region, territory) of mobilization reserves in medicine was otoptimized and ceased to exist, because their maintenance required funds, and this contradicts the liberal economy. And now she's stepped on.
    6. nickname7
      nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 12 New
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      facts from the medical profession. The first in this series was the chief infectious disease specialist of the Stavropol Territory.

      In fairness, in Wuhan, 40% were infected in a hospital, the usual hospital system does not work with this virus, due to the huge contagion, all doctors need to wear special suits and masks that were not really in hospitals, in Europe, doctors, the main spreading agents of the infection. Viral in general should not be allowed into ordinary hospitals.
      Regarding the overcoming of the pandemic, everything has already been invented, study the experience of China, it has overcome. They set up release for weeks, automatic lines for the production of "masks 95" and overalls and increased their production from 20 to 116 million masks. It is not seamstresses or prisoners who sew, but automatic factories, masks are measured in tons, which were given to the population, the virus in masks has stopped spreading and the pandemic has stopped.



      It turned out that masks are bought up in any quantities and you can earn on them as the Chinese write. Automatic plants are money printers.
  2. Overlock
    Overlock April 3 2020 16: 24 New
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    modern medicine is aimed not at ridding people of ailments, but at their permanent treatment.

    Or maybe just pumping money out of your wallet? The more and the longer the more, the more you can earn!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 3 2020 16: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: Overlock
      modern medicine is aimed not at ridding people of ailments, but at their permanent treatment.

      Or maybe just pumping money out of your wallet? The more and the longer the more, the more you can earn!

      Judging by the extreme cynicism .. such an option is quite possible for itself .. medicine should not be paid in any way .. but doctors should be highly paid .. that’s the essence of the problem ..
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 16 New
        +1
        this option is quite possible

        It is not possible, it is already there, in the states medicine is a business, a service is only for a fee, who has no money, get sick.
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    3. Campanella
      Campanella April 3 2020 16: 49 New
      +9
      This fact just lies in the context of the capitalist agenda, profit at all costs.
      We have old people and other gullible, and sometimes not gullible, healthy "creative" foreheads deceive, so that later they can ride their fools on Merciers and Geliki ...
    4. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 3 2020 22: 01 New
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      Quote: Overlock
      modern medicine is aimed not at ridding people of ailments, but at their permanent treatment.

      Or maybe just pumping money out of your wallet? The more and the longer the more, the more you can earn!

      everything is possible. under capitalism, the bourgeois will never miss the opportunity to have even greater profits at the expense of the people.
    5. gridasov
      gridasov April 4 2020 09: 37 New
      +2
      Very logical observation. Medicine has become a system in which many aspects are completely mixed up far from its intended purpose.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 3 2020 16: 31 New
    +4
    The conflict should be explained either by the low professional level of the Stavropol professor from medicine, or by a complete neglect of health in general
    It may very well be that she is the professor of the same type as the well-known judge, whose letter is Ha.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 3 2020 16: 41 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It may very well be that she is the professor of the same type as the well-known judge, whose letter is Ha.

      if pilot diplomas are bought from us and they drive planes, doctors - and they treat people, professors - and they teach students - then why not?
  4. Evil543
    Evil543 April 3 2020 16: 31 New
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    People felt that there were professionals in the country who could defeat the infection. They have the knowledge, competence of specialists and professional confidence. Alas, the chief physician of Kommunarka did not become an example to us and very soon he caught the coronavirus. I wish a speedy recovery ...


    He is just involved in treating patients, how many doctors around the world have become infected, how many have died? Sorry but did not understand your message dear author.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider April 3 2020 17: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Evil543
      He is just involved in treating patients, how many doctors around the world have become infected, how many have died? Sorry but did not understand your message dear author.


      Support.
      I also didn’t understand why they wrote about Denis in this form, he even remains in place and works mildly, continues to inform the people and holds conferences.

      He is really an example of how a professional should act and behave.
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 April 3 2020 17: 09 New
        +3
        I wonder why the author on bloggers and other omniscient experts did not go?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 3 2020 20: 13 New
      +2
      Torn from the tongue, also did not understand about this doctor.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 27 New
      0
      did not become an example to us and very soon he picked up the coronavirus

      Again. Learn a little ifa from the world, this is an unusual infection for which the system was not ready. Doctors are at the forefront like soldiers, so we can say that doctors are the first to die.
  5. Andrey Mikhaylov
    Andrey Mikhaylov April 3 2020 16: 38 New
    +4
    Regarding Sannikova, the author goes too far. The first specialists like her, not like in Stavropol. And in Russia you can count on the fingers, there is such a disease Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, After another outbreak of it in the province, people died day and night, and in the wards they were treated by Sannikov. This does not justify her act, after the arrival, but the author, let him choose the words about her professionalism,
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 3 2020 16: 43 New
      18
      Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov
      This does not justify her act, after arrival, but the author, let him choose the words about her professionalism,

      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 3 2020 20: 14 New
        +2
        With this lady not words should be selected, but an article of the Criminal Code.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          and an article of the criminal code.

          Hands off the doctor, she is not to blame, she did not have disposable sets of masks and overalls, but she is forced to contact with the virus for the duration of her work. But those who, after the pandemic, nevertheless went on trips and infected their relatives, refuse to isolate themselves, so they need to select an article.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 4 2020 23: 17 New
            0
            She violated the basic law of physicians - the oath of Hippocrates.
            Exposure:
            Whatever house I enter, I will enter there for the good of the patient, being far from everything that was intentional, unrighteous and destructive ...
  6. Vaddik
    Vaddik April 3 2020 16: 47 New
    0
    Those who were in a frantic panic are sitting at home or in bunkers, so they could not participate in the new survey. Accordingly, the number of alarmists in the survey decreased
  7. Million
    Million April 3 2020 16: 53 New
    +3
    They were shy to mention Leshchenko in the article. "Nightingale" probably infected a lot of people. But he is a star and all the more actively supported raising the retirement age, although no one asked his opinion
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener April 3 2020 17: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Million
      The Nightingale must have infected a bunch of people
      Unless of course he went to his villa in Italy at the moment the virus appeared there - the beginning of February 2020.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 3 2020 20: 17 New
        -1
        From this type, the infection spreads all day and night in murky streams throughout the country, and this virus is nothing compared to its activities.
  8. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 17: 33 New
    +1
    Somewhere our academics from medicine have disappeared from public space. While on all channels - most often the "stars", which themselves circled the whole world, and now they suddenly decided to urge everyone to stay at home. It’s interesting to whom they first turn to: retirees from the hinterland, who even in normal times sometimes do not go further than the store, or still to themselves? ..

    Because almost all of these academics are fake. Shame on the nation. There is no bet on the leaders of science, and then resentment for the power
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 3 2020 18: 12 New
      13
      Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
      Because almost all of these academics are fake. Shame on the nation.

      why academics? Enough ass
    2. astepanov
      astepanov April 3 2020 19: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
      Because almost all of these academics are fake.

      Excuse me, how competent are you to decide which of the academicians is fake and which is not? Which of the academicians do you personally know? What sources? What are your personal complaints and to which of the academicians? And do not give a link to your scientific publications (if they are not secret)?
      1. Alexander Sosnitsky
        Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 20: 25 New
        -1
        I know. Search the Internet, but you won’t understand anything there. This is secrecy. You can also check your academicians on the composition of drugs in pharmacies, although they are only part of this dead system. I’m not talking about all the academicians, but whom I came across. strong people are everywhere, but usually loners
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 3 2020 20: 20 New
      +1
      Browse and listen, for example:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EEHq9JhUhc
  9. parusnik
    parusnik April 3 2020 18: 11 New
    +5
    I don’t know how they do, but in our country medicine, like education, is financed according to the residual principle ...
  10. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 3 2020 18: 28 New
    +5
    Somewhere our academics have disappeared from public space from medicine.
    Such "academicians" as Golikova and Skvortsova - but it would be better if they did not exist at all.
    But by the way about the disappearances - I noticed that birds were gone in Moscow. No raven, no jackdaws, no ubiquitous pigeons. What's the matter ?
    1. dauria
      dauria April 3 2020 19: 13 New
      +3
      No raven, no jackdaws, no ubiquitous pigeons. What's the matter ?


      They began to stockpile grub, rather than throwing it in the trash. That’s the whole explanation. In the 90s, the same thing happened - the pigeons disappeared for several years. Crush the loaf or pour millet. Yes, several times a day - you will see birds, do not worry. laughing
  11. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya April 3 2020 18: 30 New
    +1
    Yes, panic is more than disease
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 3 2020 19: 55 New
      +1
      The panic here is that it is not clear from whom it will be infected, but it is very easy to get infected.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 3 2020 20: 21 New
      0
      Yes, panic is more than disease
      Missed the word - injection.
  12. astepanov
    astepanov April 3 2020 18: 50 New
    15
    I’m afraid that I will have to write a lot, and in the wake of emotions, few will agree with me. But...
    But the article is disgusting with its deceit.
    How coronavirus exposed the helplessness of modern world medicine
    He did NOT find her. Moreover, he showed the power of medicine. To date, the epidemic has become global, there are a million sick people and 53 dead. The population of the Earth is 7,7 billion people, 1 person per 20 million earthlings perished. In the Middle Ages, up to XNUMX% of Europe, i.e. every fifth. And the author dares to compare the state of affairs with the Middle Ages ... Here he writes:
    21st century medicine is also powerless against dangerous infections, as it was, for example, in the Middle Ages.
    Then, as can be seen from historical sources, they knew about the viral epidemic that it is not infinite, it has time boundaries. And two simple things can protect against infection - personal hygiene and isolation of healthy people from sick people.

    The author, do not lie! In the Middle Ages, there was no such word - "viral epidemic". "However, like" bacterial. "And personal hygiene, along with the isolation of patients, began to be carried out not in the Middle Ages, but in the Renaissance and later. Well, disinfection really began only in the 19th century by the works of Joseph Lister - and for this he was persecuted to crazy.
    Viral infections are fleeting and poorly predicted. The business from medicine does not see much point in wasting money on them, studying.
    I don’t know, the author is lying, or just for a dramatic effect? Or does he not know that smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, chickenpox are almost exterminated? I wonder how they managed to do this, if they are not wasted and studied on the development of vaccines. Of course, the author does not condescend to give at least one figure to justify his slander. But on the other hand, he diligently pushes the thought: these scientists are stupid parasites who intentionally did not warn us about the coronovirus at least a couple of years before the epidemic.
    My dear author, so far the only effective means of combating a viral infection has been vaccination, and it will continue to be so. Are you unhappy that virologists, genetics, and biochemists have still not delivered seven billion doses of vaccines? Well, roll up your sleeves and work out, you know how. You will quickly be able to decipher the genome, determine what the virus has on top of the capsid, develop the necessary drugs, test them and certify, develop technologies, equipment, etc. Are you not happy that the academics did not explain to you whether the protective mask helps? And you yourself are able to understand that for a virus with a size of 800 nm a mask is like a prison lattice for a mosquito? It is needed only so that you do not spray with saliva if, God forbid, you get sick. And for protection you need a gas mask with an immobilizing filler and an ultrafine filter. And it is precisely the invisibility and the insignificant size of viruses that make it difficult to defend against them. Do you say the doctor got sick? And it never occurred to you that he had to be in the thick of the sick, where the concentration of the virus is beyond limits? Instead of saying thanks to the doctor, you arrogantly accuse him of something!
    Our medical academics have disappeared from the public space somewhere. While on all channels - most often "stars"
    So, the academicians allegedly hid ... And who is asking them, academicians, then? And if they ask, then they shut up their mouths after a couple of words - as Soloviev did in his program yesterday. They always and know everything themselves - Solovyov, Kiselev, Malakhov and other dog and Volochoch. They drag them to television, for glamor. And indeed, the recommendations that are given can be read even by the near-by Volochkova on a piece of paper, and there is nothing to distract from the affairs of academics. Academics now have a lot of work. And this is especially true because in our country, even at a quiet time, we had a shortage of doctors from the work of the ladies from the Medvedev government, and now at all. That's where the trouble is. We have optimized, now we ask for feats and companionship.
    When the epidemic is over, then we will figure out who is right, who is to blame, and professionals should do it. And not embittered amateurs with a penchant for libel.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 19: 26 New
      +1
      My friend, you’d better tell me how this virus arose in your opinion and whether this technology will grow to intolerance by people. Health workers are ending their lives because of fear and horror before them now. Who made our life unbearable. After all, everything was so clear after May 9, 1045
    2. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 19: 37 New
      -1
      [quote] [All these examples are given here not to condemn scandalous professionals, but to understand the fact that 21st century medicine is also powerless against dangerous infections, as it was, for example, in the Middle Ages. / quote]
      Correctly says the author. What to do and where to run? We are convinced that you need to stick your head in the sand and type breathing through it, nothing else will help. Now the answer is important, what to do globally and how to live with it? I will give an answer. If these viruses are natural, we will survive. If not, then we will not survive. Viruses are not intelligent, unlike people. I can explain: they clearly know their ecological niche. But people are not. They, like wolves, must cut the whole flock. And then hunters catch dead wolves as they eat all living things in the vine. What to do with such joyful people who encroach on the whole civilization? To be or not to be, that’s the question? I can also answer this question, but it will go beyond all limits.
    3. Octopus
      Octopus April 3 2020 22: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: astepanov
      an article disgusting with its deceit.

      In many ways you are right. In such moments as now, the usual lie suddenly becomes a full-fledged massacre.
      Quote: astepanov
      vaccination was the only effective way to fight the viral infection, and it will continue to be so.

      There are treatment protocols for viral infections, but still experimental. The standards of modern evidence-based medicine do not allow certification of a new treatment protocol for a new disease in weeks. This is not a rebuke to evidence-based medicine, it is the reality of our lives.
      As for vaccination, and, therefore, immunity, it is just not yet very clear.
      Quote: astepanov
      didn’t explain to you whether the protective mask helps? And you yourself are able to understand that for a virus with a size of 800 nm a mask is like a prison lattice for a mosquito? It is needed only so that you do not spray with saliva if, God forbid, you get sick. And for protection you need a gas mask with an immobilizing filler and an ultrafine filter.

      Here you repeat someone’s propaganda, it is quite possible that the WHO, which has held similar positions until recently.
      1. A gas mask is not needed. The FFP3 standard mask completely delays the virus (if used correctly), but it is also advisable to protect the eyes. Masks of the building standard FFP2 and the well-known American standard N95 do not provide complete protection (the size of the virus allows it to penetrate the pores), but the likelihood of such a development is negligible. Because
      2. Even an ordinary medical mask, which is supposedly useless, reduces the number of virus samples that have crept into your mucosa by 3-5 times. Yes, its cells are much wider than the virus, but the virus itself does not fly. He likes to ride on dust particles or suspensions of liquids, and all this is an ordinary mask that holds up quite well. Less contact with the virus - it is easier for your immunity to stop it. Besides
      3. The second most effective way of spreading the virus is to transfer it to the mucous membranes with your hands. The mask prevents you from scratching your face. Besides
      4. One of the main problems with covidity is contagiousness in an asymptomatic course in the carrier. This mask catches very well. So if everyone wears masks, then everyone does not infect everyone. More precisely, they infect many times less.
      Quote: astepanov
      academics allegedly hid

      Academics did not hide. Academics as before did not interest anyone, and now no one is interested. The entire Internet is full of Cove experts, all of them are academics themselves.
      Quote: astepanov
      professionals must do this. And not embittered amateurs with a penchant for libel.

      You fell from the sky.
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 37 New
      0
      And it never occurred to you that he had to be in the thick of the sick, where the concentration of the virus is beyond limits? Instead of saying thanks to the doctor, you arrogantly accuse him of something!

      Quite right, the doctors are at the forefront and they die first, they need to erect a monument.
  13. Operator
    Operator April 3 2020 19: 26 New
    -1
    As of today, the USA leads in the total number of infected people - 245 thousand, Spain with 117 thousand breaks out in second place, Italy with 115 thousand (which has a much larger population and elderly people than in Spain, but which Russia and China).

    China cheerfully rolled back from first to seventh place and is preparing for a further rollback under the pressure of all sorts of different Germany, Britain and other medicine lights such as Belgium, Holland or Switzerland, in which the number of cases per thousand inhabitants differs by orders of magnitude from other countries.

    In Russia, the number of cases per day decreased from seven to six hundred.
  14. astepanov
    astepanov April 3 2020 19: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
    better tell me how this virus arose in your opinion and whether this technology will grow to intolerance by people.

    It did not arise in my opinion. And what technology are you talking about?
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 19: 42 New
      -1
      arose in your opinion and will

      Sorry, I missed the commas:
      ... arose, in your opinion, and will be ...
      And technology - the emergence and spread of catastrophic viruses. I do not believe that in the age of our really powerful medicine, compared with the Middle Ages, right up to gene analysis and synthesis, nature can create complex insurmountable viruses across the entire set of deadly factors, selecting the most deadly properties - SARS and HIV with a sequential effect on human damage as binary separating ammunition to overcome active protection. This excuse the already built-in intelligence.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 53 New
        0
        I do not believe that in the age of our really powerful medicine, compared to the Middle Ages, right up to gene analysis and synthesis, nature can create complex insurmountable viruses

        Here faith is not needed, education is needed, biology is too complicated for the ignorant. Therefore, they try to explain the incomprehensible by spirits, or the CIA made a mistake, so the ancient people didn’t know where the sun came from in the morning, they thought that the sun gives birth to a crocodile, and in the evening it eats it, well, and thunder is Elijah the prophet on a chariot rumbles in the sky, and so for you, the otherworldly being is needed for explanation.

        defeat a person as binary separating ammunition to overcome active defense

        The delirium of the ignorant.
        Immunity easily copes with the virus, but it needs time to create antibodies, and the body recovers. There are no binary viruses.
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky April 4 2020 17: 36 New
          0
          The delirium of the ignorant.

          You have risky statements, judging by the comments. Really nonsense ignoramus. Binary shells have separable parts, the first of which removes active protection. Etc. Not the level to communicate with you
  15. l.jensen
    l.jensen April 3 2020 19: 33 New
    +8
    Sorry, I read your critical comments about your medical service, and I want to say that everything is similar everywhere. England - worse, Switzerland (where everyone pays 1000 francs honey insurance every month - the same thing) also the test costs 3000 francs, so they don’t test. Germany is much better. So do not think that only you have difficulties, you have not so bad. Do not scold your health system, it is not worse than everyone.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 3 2020 20: 04 New
      +7
      I will explain to you.
      They do not scold our medicine. They are so struggling with power in general.
      Now the reason is medicine, yesterday there was another reason.
      Anyone is good.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus April 3 2020 22: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: l.Jensen
      that everything is alike everywhere. England - worse, Switzerland (where everyone pays 1000 francs honey insurance every month - the same thing) also the test costs 3000 francs

      What an interesting friend with 30 comments in 4 years. He came, put aside a handful on the agenda, left.

      In Switzerland, the test has been included in the compulsory medical insurance since the beginning of March, and costs 180 francs.

      Quote: l.Jensen
      So do not think that only you have difficulties, you have not so bad. Do not scold your health system, it is not worse than everyone.

      Experience shows that the healthcare system is an important but not the only important thing. Good results are shown in countries where there is medicine, good governance, money and discipline. South Korea, Japan, Singapore. In Europe, Germany. To China, more and more questions in numbers.
      1. Liam
        Liam April 3 2020 22: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Octopus
        South Korea, Japan, Singapore

        They have learned to respond quickly in past Chinese epidemics.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus April 3 2020 23: 28 New
          -3
          Quote: Liam
          They have learned to respond quickly in past Chinese epidemics.

          They waited and prepared. At least, they had a clear understanding of what to do in an incomprehensible situation. Including how not to ruin the economy.
          Other countries neighboring China, we will not point fingers, did not wait and did not prepare.
          Quote: Octopus
          In Europe, Germany.

          Europe here is generally very interesting. For once, the countries of the first world set a large-scale experiment on themselves. Let's hope that he helps to learn something. To those who are able to learn.
          So far, the best virus has passed through a small, rich, technological and highly effective fascist dictatorship. Which is not surprising. Someone from Europe is unexpectedly good, someone unexpectedly very bad. Incredibly happy for Georgia, pah-pah so as not to jinx it. There will be something to think about.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 3 2020 23: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Octopus
            They waited and prepared

            Avian influenza, swine, sars, Merc. 4 epidemics over 20 years. And for Europe / USA, they essentially passed by.
            Quote: Octopus
            Europe, someone is unexpectedly good, someone unexpectedly is very bad.

            In fact (taking into account the different stages of the epidemic), everyone has about the same figures and trends. Only Germany has better mortality rates so far. But they started a little later than the rest and in recent days mortality has been growing inexorably. Even under two hundred a day regularly. And the Koch Institute admitted that tampons are not post-mortem
            1. Octopus
              Octopus April 4 2020 01: 11 New
              -2
              Quote: Liam
              But for Europe / USA, they essentially passed by.

              And Europe / USA has never heard of globalization and air travel, wild people.
              Quote: Liam
              Only Germany in terms of mortality is better so far

              Do not tell.
              Mortality of hundreds per day does not matter at all. Germany is a big country. So far, they have a very good ratio of identified / lethal and recovered / lethal. Also in Austria, Israel, Canada, and some others. Surprisingly, it is still relatively decent in the United States, worse than Germany and Canada, but better than other large European countries.

              Another thing is that while this should be judged with caution. They write that the data for January should be carefully analyzed, it is quite possible that the beginning of the outbreak is not at all where it seems.

              Besides. Over time, the price of the issue will attract more attention. Who in this story killed himself against the wall, who is not.
              1. Liam
                Liam April 4 2020 03: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Octopus
                wild people

                Until the thunder goes out ...
                Quote: Octopus
                So far they have a very good ratio of identified / lethal and recovered / lethal

                In fact, the number of detected - not even a pitchfork in water. 70% of the detected - light and asymptomatic. It all depends on the number of tests. In Germany, they do 70.000 per day, Italy-40.000, WB-10.000. Therefore, it’s pretty pointless to look at this figure. Germany has a large number of tests with a huge number of mild cases. The rest of the countries that conduct tests are mostly those with serious symptoms. According to recent estimates, the actual number of infected people is millions, they say about 8-10% of the population.
                To compare something, it makes sense to watch only the number of hospitalized and especially the number of people in IT
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus April 4 2020 12: 17 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Liam
                  Until the thunder goes out ...

                  Wow, how quickly we came to the theory of racial superiority of Germans and Jews over other European nations, starting with the Anglo-Saxons.
                  Quote: Liam
                  In fact, the number of identified-not even a pitchfork in the water

                  You're right. Then the only indicator will be the number of deaths per million. And then the statistics are complicated, somewhere posthumously put the cove, somewhere not. It seems that according to demographic statistics it will be necessary to search how the number of victims of WWII in individual countries (((
                  1. Liam
                    Liam April 4 2020 13: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Wow

                    All the same, chickens should be considered in the fall. Not all countries started at the same time

                    Quote: Octopus
                    And the Jews

                    They will definitely be helped by the habit of mobilizing quickly and massively acquired over the past 80 years. By the way. In Hong Kong, quarantine was introduced back. As in "certain regions" of China. Not everything is so rosy after all. And they need to look after Japan. They really needed up to a week back good statistics in relation to OI.

                    Quote: Octopus
                    will have to demographic statistics

                    I speak Italy because I know it in detail, but it will be so for everyone. In Lombardy, the mortality rate on March 1-21, 2020 compared to 1-21 over the past 3 years has increased 4 times on average. This is not estimates, but official data from Istat. Reason- covid + "indirect" losses. All health care was thrown on covid and went up and the curve of "usual" Previously, they managed to treat those who were in the balance for other reasons, now no. Therefore, yes, all the losses only then will be possible.
                    Quote: Octopus
                    statistics are complicated

                    The watershed is the moment of IT saturation. When mortality comes, the Germans initially had more beds per capita. And saturation has not yet arrived. Italy France, WB about 5000 (60 million) places. The Germans about 9.000. The truth is the population is larger. In Russia, with 150 million officially, 12.000 beds.
                    By the way, the Germans transport 30/40 people from Italy and France to their IT in their sanitation every day.
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus April 4 2020 14: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: Liam
                      All the same, chickens should be considered in the fall

                      OK, wait for the fall)))
                      Quote: Liam
                      China. Not everything is so rosy all the same.

                      Yes, it is not clear with China.
                      Quote: Liam
                      All health care was thrown on the covid and went up and the curve of "ordinary" Previously, they managed to treat those who were in the balance for other reasons, now there is no.

                      Yes, this is a serious problem that is out of focus. It is possible that "indirect" losses due to overloading of the healthcare system will be higher than "direct" ones, at least in some locations.
                      Quote: Liam
                      By the way, the Germans transport 30/40 people from Italy and France to their IT in their sanitation every day.

                      Yes, the Germans do a lot. And it is unfortunate that the Euro-talkers somehow suddenly got lost exactly when they would be useful. Although, maybe they weren’t lost, but I have an optical illusion induced by Russian propaganda.
                      Italy France, WB-about 5000 (60 million) places. The Germans have about 9.000. The truth and the population is larger.

                      Ugums. The population is 83 million. That is almost the same in beds per million.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam April 4 2020 15: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: Octopus
                        wait for the fall)))

                        Autumn is actually an optimistic scenario)
                        Quote: Octopus
                        serious problem

                        My wife works in an operating room in Northern Italy. There were 4 operating rooms in surgery, 2 in orthopedics and 1 in ophthalmology. 1 remained for all occasions, the remaining 6 were converted to IT. 90% of planned operations were canceled and the staff was transferred to covid. Consultations, diagnostics- all upside down. A heart attack, kidney disease, oncology and so on, they are still there. Plus "genocide" in hospice. The main part of the mortality figures is from there.
                        Quote: Octopus
                        do a lot

                        Mutual assistance is actually a lot. It just flashed almost at the same time for everyone and everything is lost in the information flow. Ros. The media is a separate issue. Konashenko again ran into statements about Italy's help and crossed out everything that was a little really good that was done.
                        Quote: Octopus
                        almost the same

                        Not very the same. For 100.000 there were 12 places in Italy and 20 places in Germany. Now I don’t know for sure. In Italy, from 5.300 they increased to 9.000 in 3 weeks. There are subtleties. Not all places are suitable. For example, nurseries, incubators for newborns, etc. They are included in these numbers but unsuitable for adults.
                        And the math is simple.
                        I have 150 patients with you too. I have 100 places, you have 150.
                        I will die 20% in IT +50 who did not have enough places. You will die 20% of 150. This is 70 to 30. Simplified of course. The difference is like 50% only in places and the result in mortality is many times
                2. nickname7
                  nickname7 April 4 2020 13: 57 New
                  0
                  There is an opinion that everyone will get sick, then the pandemic will stop.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam April 4 2020 14: 15 New
                    0
                    For a natural stop, you need 50-60% of the ill.
  16. Tomich3
    Tomich3 April 3 2020 20: 08 New
    -1
    I have never been a fan of the USSR, but I think that this country would have developed a vaccine no more than in a month.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky April 3 2020 20: 23 New
      -1
      It was the only country I knew that really thought about its people. Worker-peasant
    2. astepanov
      astepanov April 3 2020 21: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Tomic3
      but I think

      Better drop it. This does not suit you. In the USSR, vaccine development took years - as elsewhere.
      1. Tomich3
        Tomich3 April 3 2020 22: 27 New
        +3
        And do not evaluate my mental abilities. I studied in a class with a mathematical bias in the USSR. There the multiplication table was up to 200. You, "yeshniks" cannot understand this.
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 4 2020 02: 01 New
          0
          You look at the problems with high mortality in the USSR. Wang, non-gentiles, it will not be difficult to calculate the excess mortality compared with the countries of the first world.
        2. astepanov
          astepanov April 4 2020 10: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Tomic3
          And do not evaluate my mental abilities.
          What are you, my friend, I do not appreciate. You yourself demonstrate them so vividly ... Honorable, do you really think that a person from the early fifties could have passed the EG? Stop repeating the multiplication table to 200 at least for a while and plunge into reality. There is a lot of information, and it is easy to read, for example, that the development of a vaccine against poliomyelitis in the USSR, which continued in two institutes of the Ministry of Health for more than a year, did not lead to anything until samples of a live vaccine and technological recommendations were brought from the USA. So much for "no more than a month".
  17. businessv
    businessv April 3 2020 20: 30 New
    +2
    Apart from self-isolation of citizens in power and medicine, apparently, there is still no more effective tool to combat the pandemic.

    Moreover, there are no drugs that can cure a COVID-19 patient either! Everyone has long known the receptions of doctors who refer patients to their "own" pharmacy, as well as the receptions of pharmaceutical companies, for which the main goal is money, and not our health. So you are right, we live in the Middle Ages! Thank you for the article! hi
  18. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 3 2020 20: 49 New
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    It’s incorrect to compare the USSR with present-day Russia. Two different civilizations. And no one would have made protective suits for the whole country under the USSR. The USSR was a closed country. For the majority, this was normal. A flower bouquet from abroad was illegal. My mother worked in the sanitary and epidemiological station at the river department. They checked the self-propelled barges that moored. Everything happened. We lived near the Volga and saw a lot. Like dump trucks dumped canned goods into the Volga. Once a whole wheat barge was burned. It was infected. Whole ra he surrounded the police cordon and it stood almost sutki.Seychas often happens that everyone wants to look like a ray of light in the dark under floodlights tsarstve.Pryamo clear day.
  19. turbris
    turbris April 3 2020 21: 41 New
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    Of course, one can feel some helplessness of WHO and science in front of the coronavirus. All sorts of statements about the creation of a vaccine and drugs to combat this virus are not justified, as there was no single treatment regimen, and there is still no. Each country is trying to reinvent its own bicycle, the level of interaction is low, WHO should have long ago created an international center for the fight against coronavirus with the involvement of the best scientists and laboratories, I do not know whether this is done or not. There is no consensus among scientists "professionals" regarding methods of fighting the virus, each expresses his own opinion, sometimes absolutely opposite to the actions of colleagues and authorities. There is only one conclusion: it is time to conduct an audit of healthcare in Russia, taking into account the emerging threats and make significant efforts to improve the effectiveness of medicine, and it is necessary to start with training personnel and creating strategic reserves of the necessary funds.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus April 3 2020 22: 31 New
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      Quote: turbris
      the helplessness of WHO and science before the coronavirus. All sorts of statements about the creation of a vaccine and drugs to combat this virus are not justified, as there was no single treatment regimen.

      Quote: turbris
      it is necessary with the training of personnel and the creation of strategic reserves of the necessary funds.

      What are the conflicting people, it is necessary.
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav April 3 2020 23: 07 New
      -2
      hello borya personally you are concerned about a dumb carriage like about him or his situation in his native country
      1. turbris
        turbris April 10 2020 13: 00 New
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        Who are you? You and I did not graze cows together, so work hard for "YOU", is it difficult for you to realize that the efforts of one country are not enough to cope with the coronavirus?
    3. riwas
      riwas April 4 2020 06: 26 New
      +1
      there was no single treatment regimen

      In Russia, there are "Temporary guidelines. Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (COVID-19)".
      https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/877/original/COVID19_recomend_v4.pdf
      Although lopinavir and ritonavir were not effective against COVID-19, they are included in the directions.
      https://scientificrussia.ru/news/preparaty-protiv-vich-ne-pomogali-lechit-koronavirus-v-klinicheskih-ispytaniyah
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 4 2020 12: 33 New
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        Thanks for the links.
        Quote: riwas
        lopinavir and ritonavir preparations

        In general, just the topic of treatment of covid with antimalarial and anti-HIV drugs requires a very serious study, completely without noise and fuss. Such potions can actually kill more patients than covid.
  20. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 3 2020 23: 03 New
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    personally, I see very bad German medicine, with a decent number of infected people, only yesterday deaths exceeded a thousand countries, specifically with the best medicine in the world, not only with the availability of modern medical equipment, our doctors are no worse, but they have no high-quality devices, but no matter what they work and reaffirm the oath of the hypocrat
  21. bandabas
    bandabas April 4 2020 00: 35 New
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    Well, what kind of office I do not believe is VTsIOM. Even the Central Bank believe more.
  22. riwas
    riwas April 4 2020 06: 06 New
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    The governor of Travnikov spoke in Novosibirsk and informed us that all industrial and construction enterprises are resuming work on Monday. Moreover, he shifts the responsibility for observing the quarantine from himself to them.
  23. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 4 2020 06: 42 New
    +1
    People felt that there were professionals in the country who could defeat the infection. They have the knowledge, competence of specialists and professional confidence. Alas, the chief physician of Kommunarka did not become an example to us and very soon he caught the coronavirus.

    We in Russia are full of professionals, only some cannot be provided with proper protection, others are forced to fly low, others are content with minimum wages. At the same time, the “pushers” themselves do not deprive themselves.
    So there is nothing surprising in the fact that President Vladimir Putin extended the forced weekend because of the coronavirus until the end of April. Apart from self-isolation of citizens in power and medicine, apparently, there is still no more effective tool to combat the pandemic.

    He still extended his powers to himself. Hoping for something or just securing a comfortable old age?
  24. riwas
    riwas April 4 2020 07: 02 New
    +1
    The cure for coronavirus can be cheap. For example, Tomsk biologists propose using the roots of weida dyes (Usma) for the prevention and treatment of coronavirus. In Russia, it is cultivated in small volumes - as a good honey plant and a promising fodder plant.
    https://rg.ru/2020/03/25/reg-sibfo/tomskie-uchenye-rekomendovali-dlia-zashchity-ot-virusa-vajdu-krasilnuiu.html
    In Chinese medicine, it is known as Ban Lan Han Ke Lee.
  25. bandabas
    bandabas April 4 2020 07: 43 New
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    The big question. For which Valery Fedorov and others like them receive money. For fraud?
  26. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 April 4 2020 07: 50 New
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    and to understand the fact that medicine of the 21st century is also powerless against dangerous infections, as it was, for example, in the Middle Ages.

    interesting note, it would be necessary to reinvent hyperimmune serums, immunoglobulins and interferons laughing
    forced to use proven medieval rules: isolation of the population and the strengthening of hygiene
    - could use the modern quarantine mode laughing only in the case of quarantine is the state obligated to compensate the victims ...
  27. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 4 2020 10: 48 New
    +2
    With medicine, everything is in order. She is able to cope with a real pandemic of any scale, not like with the most ordinary version of the simple flu. Medical authorities, and real ones, and not those about which the author writes, have already adequately explained all the medical issues related to the virus. It’s not their fault that hundreds of millions of people (including, apparently, the author) are not able to understand extremely adapted explanations. Doctors have nothing to do with it.
    Examples of the author from the medical field. Pay attention - the MAIN infectious disease specialist. HEAD SURGEON. That is, not doctors, but administrators from medicine. People with a medical education, but mainly in administration. That's just the point, and everyone understands this, just ...
    Let's be honest. With any medical problems that fall purely within the range of medical capabilities, no one on the planet now has even come across the edge. All problems lie in the field of management. And here, humanity, as it turned out, was a complete collapse. Our management structures demonstrate such paralysis, such a misunderstanding of the situation in all areas, such an inadequate response to the threat that you are simply amazed!
    How did we survive to this day, if our biggest ones can only this is all ?!
  28. srha
    srha April 4 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    Not the right article.

    Doctors just showed that they can do a lot.

    But society - screwed up. I was also taught by my illiterate grandmother in a village in the distant 60s - my hands after money (and much more). How many of you wash your hands after money or a bank card? No one probably even thought that the ATMs are not provided with a disinfection system (by the way, it is not so difficult / expensive, for example, by surface heating (UHF)). Probably everyone forgot the same about dirty and clean zones in the house (apartment), well, about the air conditioners and split, and how my grandmother drove me about it - I didn’t wipe my legs and put my boots on there, I didn’t wash my hands, etc. .d.

    By the way, some doctors cannot cope with the epidemic, because it is a social (on contacts) disease - it is not for nothing that "plague riots" are widely known. But competent actions of the authorities help to significantly reduce or even prevent the costs of the epidemic. But who studied these competent actions, for example, Grigory Grigorievich Orlov in 1771 in Moscow, who, with the help of the guard regiments, organized the fight against the epidemic, for example, like this: “Married people who were discharged from the hospital were awarded 10 rubles each, single people - 5 This measure has become a more effective means of attracting people to quarantines and fighting plague than the strictest VICI bans. Unfortunately, our authorities have not yet realized that it is necessary to learn to work in new conditions, but they are pushing more on prohibitions, in the hope that everything will grind and return to the old one.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 4 2020 12: 51 New
      +1
      The microwave does not kill the virus at all, there is no moisture in it, but it kills the card chip. Ultraviolet will kill him, but in half an hour. You have to wait a long time for the card. What about air conditioners? What did the grandmother teach about them? Do not understand. About Orlov and the authorities agree ...
      1. srha
        srha April 4 2020 14: 40 New
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        Microwave heats the surface (the surface must be made special for this, of course, or you can start writing that it does not heat up), which already (temperature) kills the virus - you need to be able to think a little further than one action. But you can warm up in another way. Disinfection of microwave cards is your idea, I wrote about the contact surface of ATMs and washing hands after money / cards. But in general, it’s clear with you that there are people who are trying to solve problems, but there are people who are talking about them.
        And as for air conditioners ... find the "legionnaires' disease" in the internet yourself, because neither I nor my grandmother engaged in your additional education.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 4 2020 15: 34 New
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          You have to go to school, instead of serving as an "analyst" here, damn it burnt. Microwave radiation heats up WATER. Young man, please teach your lessons ...
          1. srha
            srha April 28 2020 18: 35 New
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            Hmm. You have to go to school to get broad knowledge, not just blinders. Because it seems that you do not know about the broader (and not only on "WATER") exposure to microwave radiation - Google will help you ...
      2. akunin
        akunin April 5 2020 17: 21 New
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        Ultraviolet will kill him, but in half an hour.
        depends on the power, the virus is included in the cell, it is not turned on. industrial X-ray machines remain, personally, after the change I irradiate the oropharynx with the X-ray machine at work laughing tongue wipe the card with vodka, a ray of alcohol and all.
  29. riwas
    riwas April 4 2020 13: 17 New
    +1
    Interesting. Initially, an antimalarial drug against coronavirus turned out to be effective, and now Australian scientists have shown that the antiparasitic drug ivermectin can be effective in treating coronavirus. An article about this was published in Antiviral Research.
    According to the head of the study, Kylie Wagstaff from the Monash Institute for Biomedical Research, ivermectin is able to stop the virus infection of Covid-19 in cell culture within two days. “We found that even one dose [of the drug] can <…> remove all viral RNA in 48 hours, and within 24 hours lead to a noticeable decrease in its amount,” says Wagstaff.
    https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/protivoparazitarnoe-sredstvo
  30. Jarserge
    Jarserge April 4 2020 13: 35 New
    +1
    It seems that the population of the Earth is degenerating. "British scientists", gay, pink, liberals, common people, greta thunberg and others
  31. APASUS
    APASUS April 4 2020 19: 50 New
    0
    Once medicine and education become a business - they disappeared!
  32. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 April 4 2020 20: 23 New
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    Lies. The pandemic did not reveal the helplessness of medicine, but the helplessness of the capitalist system, which, possessing simply gigantic production capacities, still cannot adequately solve the problem of providing masks, antiseptics and medical equipment. The pandemic showed how archaic and ineffective the division of the planet into separate states is. Once again, it showed the cannibalistic nature of obsolete capitalism.
  33. iouris
    iouris April 4 2020 22: 52 New
    0
    We do not know what is really happening. There you have it, grandmothers, and democracy.
  34. akunin
    akunin April 5 2020 17: 13 New
    +1
    The first in this row was the chief infectious disease specialist of the Stavropol Territory. She managed to bring the coronavirus "on herself" to the region, and even infect a dozen people.

    However, he could not do it himself. In a foreign tourist trip, the surgeon caught an infection. Then he infected relatives, colleagues and patients. As a result, more than 50 cases of coronavirus infection have already been detected in the district hospital where this person works.
    in both cases, criminal negligence, it is necessary to drive away from medicine (well, if someone infected is well-intentioned) they knew what both were doing. where is the screening among the medical staff? On Saturday I personally got into the mouth of 30 patients, I don’t change the gloves after each (do not give me I replace a pack), I process it 2 times according to the standard (and it’s blown up that we spend a lot of isoseptics), I work in a home-made gauze mask, my robes change once a week. It is clear that people working on infectious beds are at times more than mine, but I accept all - get infected like two fingers ... and more infect everyone around (and in my age group the mortality rate is from 2 to 3%). We don’t get scared of doctors anymore (it’s hard to swim in a white shirt in the shit river), everyone swears, and also wash the masks (self-made) by ourselves (all they climb into my mouth - dentistry). I, by a shrewd mind, thought that screening was carried out for free, and then they said that there were no 2 panic panics - emptying, we rowed until the oar fell out of my hands.