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"In connection with the loss of confidence": the United States decided to dismiss the commander of the aircraft carrier "Theodore Roosevelt"

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It became known about the reaction of the American authorities to the letter sent by the commander (in the American tradition - the captain) of the aircraft carrier "Theodore Roosevelt" Brett Crozier. Recall that a military officer in a letter informed the command of an outbreak of coronavirus on board and requested immediate assistance, including the evacuation of personnel. This letter was at the disposal of the media.


Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modley said today that a decision had been made to relieve Brett Crozier of his post.

Thomas Modley spoke at a briefing that “the captain of the aircraft carrier was overloaded due to the situation with the coronavirus that affected him.”

Modules:

We determined that the best option for him would be dismissal.

The acting minister noted that for the command, “a big surprise” was the news about what was happening on board the “Theodore Roosevelt”, which appeared in the media.

Modules:

There should not have been such a leak. This is his (Crozier) responsibility. Such letters may give the false impression that the US Navy is in a panic, that the command cannot find a way out. In fact, this is not so.

The command of naval operations of the US Navy supported the dismissal of Crozier, using the version of the phrase "in connection with the loss of confidence."

Recall that the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is currently located at one of the bases of Guam. He went there after revealing on it 25 (the official version) of infected sailors. On board were originally more than 5 thousand people. Now they talk about the likelihood of being removed from the board about 2,7 thousand people with quarantine in hospitals. However, a considerable number of aircraft carrier crew on board will remain. According to Modley, this is necessary to maintain the life support systems of an aircraft carrier, control a nuclear reactor and weapons.
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  1. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery April 3 2020 06: 30 New
    +8
    But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich April 3 2020 06: 53 New
      12
      Quote: Valery Valery
      But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

      1. fk7777777
        fk7777777 April 3 2020 06: 59 New
        -1
        The religious matriarchy, Roosevelt, after all, himself one of those demon-elected, was married to his cousin. So that...
      2. venik
        venik April 3 2020 20: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Quote: Valery Valery
        But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!


        ========
        good drinks "... Comrade Stalin was in a claw nepgav! Real democracy is the first and foremost - the power of the Mexicans oligags!" (В.И. Ульянов (Ленин)) ..... wink
    2. fk7777777
      fk7777777 April 3 2020 06: 57 New
      0
      So it is, with six-barrels to beat people at ...
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 3 2020 08: 03 New
      0
      "Его пример другим наука"...
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 3 2020 09: 32 New
        +1
        The dismissal of the captain fully confirms that:
        .... panic reigns in the US Navy that the command cannot find a way out.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 3 2020 08: 33 New
      10
      Quote: Valery Valery
      But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

      So far, in the Army and Navy of any country, democracy has not been prescribed.
      1. Grits
        Grits April 3 2020 10: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So far, in the Army and Navy of any country, democracy has not been prescribed.

        We tried to vaccinate in 1917 - it ended extremely deplorably.
    5. mole
      mole April 3 2020 09: 33 New
      0
      Democracy is the ability of those in power to maintain the illusion of government by the people.
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 3 2020 19: 58 New
      0
      Democracy is democracy, and discipline and subordination were, are and will be. However, his uncle can forget about his career, he can’t see the admiral’s badges, if he’ll not be kicked out without a pension.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 3 2020 06: 31 New
    +7
    Well, with the commander it’s clear that he is responsible for everything, allowed ..., to blame ..., must answer ... But did the one who committed the leak of this information answer?
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 3 2020 06: 36 New
      +8
      Or maybe the leak was specially organized in order to topple responsibility and appoint the commander guilty, is this option possible?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 3 2020 09: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Or maybe the leak was specially organized in order to topple responsibility and appoint the commander guilty, is this option possible?

        Well and not without it of course
    2. Avior
      Avior April 3 2020 06: 44 New
      10
      The article in which the information about the letter surfaced (I gave a link to it earlier) says that they learned about the letter from the team from social networks, which, of course, was forbidden.
      So partly his responsibility is there, he is a commander, responsible for subordinates.
      In social networks, they praised him for taking care of the team
      But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked
      Although the commander of the ship wrote to the authorities, and not to the newspaper
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 3 2020 08: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked

        We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 3 2020 08: 37 New
          +3
          Seem to be. They talked too much
      2. Altona
        Altona April 3 2020 09: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        So partly his responsibility is there, he is a commander, responsible for subordinates.
        In social networks, they praised him for taking care of the team
        But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked
        Although the commander of the ship wrote to the authorities, and not to the newspaper

        -------------------------
        Most likely, the ship's commander fell victim to intrigues and intrigues, someone was clearly aiming at his place. From scratch they sent the comcor to resign.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 3 2020 09: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      But did the one who leaked this information respond?

      Yes, never. Yes, for him now zhurnalyugi will tear their asses.
      Как же, "народ желает знать"
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem April 3 2020 16: 10 New
        +1
        But what about Snowden and Asange?
  3. syndicalist
    syndicalist April 3 2020 06: 34 New
    10
    The usual story for any army of any country. The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 3 2020 06: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: syndicalist
      The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.

      He reported the situation on board and asked for help, what instruction could he violate? What did he leave the fighting position in wartime?
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist April 3 2020 06: 52 New
        +6
        I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 3 2020 07: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: syndicalist
          I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public

          According to the text of the article, I realized that the letter was official, but there was a leak
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother April 3 2020 07: 23 New
            +7
            Quote: svp67
            According to the text of the article, I realized that the letter was official, but there was a leak

            "Формальной причиной отстранения стало то, что он пересылал просьбы о помощи с заболевшими на корабле по "незащищенным электронным каналам", чем нарушил протокол.
            The actual reason for the suspension is that Crozier’s public statements (which were circulated in the American press) and the subsequent removal of part of the crew from the aircraft carrier (which hastily left for Guam) disavowed the Pentagon’s statements that the ship was fully operational and ready to carry out any tasks.
            По сути, рассказывая, как обстоят дела с заболевшими на корабле, Крозье подставил собственное начальство, которое выпускало по поводу ситуации с зараженным атомным авианосцем успокаивающие заявления."
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 3 2020 07: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: Gray Brother
              In fact

              The action of the command was clear and clear, it was believed that he had panicked and could not keep everything secret ... Accusations could have been put forward quite tough to break his career forever ... but he was obviously moving to admirals.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother April 3 2020 07: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                The action of the command was clear and clear, it was considered that he panicked and could not keep everything secret ..

                Of course, he panicked - secrecy is directly related to the lack of action, because it is fawn.
                They would shut everyone on the ship and they would cook there in their own juice.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 3 2020 07: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  They would shut everyone on the ship and they would cook there in their own juice.

                  Я не знаю как бы действовало американское морское командование, но и превращение такой мощной боевой единицы в "чумной корабль", а то и пуще в "летучий голландец" их явно не устраивало, так, что меры просто обязаны были быть приняты. И скорей всего они готовились, просто не сообщались. Но, что уже произошло, то произошло. "Будем на поглядеть", на развитие событий
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother April 3 2020 07: 44 New
                    +6
                    Quote: svp67
                    I don’t know how the American naval command would act,

                    It would normally act - all the right decisions were made by wise leadership, all the wrong ones were made by the captain of the ship.
                    Minimum written orders, some retroactively.
                    As a result, the authorities lose nothing, and the illiterate commander troughs the chopping block.
            2. Altona
              Altona April 3 2020 09: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: Gray Brother
              По сути, рассказывая, как обстоят дела с заболевшими на корабле, Крозье подставил собственное начальство, которое выпускало по поводу ситуации с зараженным атомным авианосцем успокаивающие заявления."

              -----------------------
              And the authorities, covering their fifth point, reset the comcor. In principle, it is logical. Measures taken, innocent punished, uninjured awarded. request
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother April 3 2020 07: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: syndicalist
          I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public

          He suspected that the command would hide the situation before melt and the ship would turn into a plague hut during this time.
      2. ximkim
        ximkim April 3 2020 08: 25 New
        +2
        What he told the crew about the letter (content) for the command, and let them in the social network. It's healthy that the captain does not care about his team, but why should the whole world know what is going on at the AUG Navy ..
      3. YOUR
        YOUR April 3 2020 09: 03 New
        +2
        Not for the whole world screaming SOS, reported on command. They are trying to relieve themselves of responsibility. Do not declare that some congressman speaks the language right and left.
        Everyone can get sick. Here on the daughter of VO, the site Military materials infa stands, our nuclear submarine Eagle, the crew is quarantined.
      4. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. April 3 2020 09: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        He reported the situation on board and asked for help, what instruction could he violate? What did he leave the fighting position in wartime?

        В архиве ВМФ РФ есть дела под названием "папка с секретными бумагами".
        В одной их них лежит донесение командира, что крейсер "Олег" (по памяти) напоролся на нечто (подозреваю песок), погнул вал, расшатал кронштейн, и не может дать полный ход (по памяти потерял более 6 уз).
        It was in the Red Sea.
        At once, he should not know that the ship is not fully operational. Especially far from the homeland.

        The actions of the leadership of the US Navy are correct.
        And we had a similar case when the sailors photographed the submarine commander, or when they used GPS phones in the Mediterranean ... The commanders were also removed.
    2. fk7777777
      fk7777777 April 3 2020 07: 01 New
      +2
      The trampoline is smart, 200 thousand garbage, that's 20 mil., Well, you might think, although not 200 mil., But ... So that is nonsense.
    3. Dmitry Potapov
      Dmitry Potapov April 3 2020 07: 29 New
      +3
      A good commander does just that.
      1. Altona
        Altona April 3 2020 09: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        A good commander does just that.

        -------------------------
        Вообще, Крозье достоин нашего ордена, с записью о награждении "за лишение боеспособности АУГ США".
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 3 2020 08: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: syndicalist
      The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.

      The commander, in the first place, carries out orders, for which he is the commander. It was, is and will be. The commander who does not follow the order is not needed in any army.
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 3 2020 09: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: syndicalist
      breaking instructions.

      It is in what such instruction is forbidden to ask for help in connection with a threat to the life and health of the crew?
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 3 2020 06: 35 New
    +8
    They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 3 2020 06: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: andrewkor
      They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general

      Banned a man!
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 3 2020 10: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        Banned a man!

        No correspondence. laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 3 2020 08: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: andrewkor
      They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral!

      Such admirals do not become, and even the commander is a lot for him, the maximum is a chief officer.
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. April 3 2020 09: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general

      Let him come to us at TopWar, we will help him in promoting ...
      ... If something else tells about the combat readiness of the Amer fleet.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 April 3 2020 10: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Let him come to us at TopWar, we will help him in promoting ...

        Если "правильно" коменты писать будет... laughing
  5. Mitroha
    Mitroha April 3 2020 06: 36 New
    +7
    Thomas Modley spoke at a briefing that “the captain of the aircraft carrier was overloaded due to the situation with the coronavirus that affected him.”

    Витиевато написанная фраза "крыша поехала" сути не меняет. Командование везде одинаковое. Главное задницу прикрыть, а виноватого всегда найдем. И сумасшедшим представим.
    But in fact, the captain simply despaired of reaching out to the higher command.
  6. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 3 2020 06: 39 New
    +7
    Господа "Отцы командиры" будьте последовательны и теперь бремя ответственности за поступок своего подчинённого должен понести и И.о.министра ВМС США Томас Модли, требую следом уволить этого разгильдяя!
  7. Asad
    Asad April 3 2020 06: 42 New
    +2
    I read the headline, thought Trump was fired!
    1. Altona
      Altona April 3 2020 09: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: ASAD
      I read the headline, thought Trump was fired!

      ----------------------
      They cannot fire Donald Fredovich, they just impeach for good reason. sad
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 3 2020 06: 53 New
    +3
    They distracted the public from the essence of the problem ... A loud scandal, the removal of the commander (who tried to help the crew) - and everyone was already distracted from the fact that the largest warship, 10% of the country's carrier group, became unworkable, for at least a month ...
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 3 2020 07: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      10% of the carrier group of the country, became uncompetent

      Why 10%? 30, or even 50. If I am not mistaken, of the 12 aircraft carriers that are officially in service, only 2, or 3, are currently combat-ready. If I'm wrong, correct it. This is all the hype due to the fact that the team is supposed to be quarantined, but there is simply no other aircraft carrier.
    2. syndicalist
      syndicalist April 3 2020 07: 55 New
      +2
      This is just a circumstance of zero significance. No US politician or official believes in the possibility of an attack on America. Not only during a pandemic, but in general.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 3 2020 06: 56 New
    +5
    his best option would be dismissal
    Командир на корабле не только "царь" имеющий широкий права, но и лицо полностью отвечающее за корабль и экипаж. Поэтому то, что командир запросил помощи проанализировав обстановку является правильным решением, а вот утечка служебной информации в СМИ конечно не допустима. Значит, либо экипаж был плохо проинструктирован, либо полностью забил на все запреты беспокоясь исключительно о своем здоровье. Главное, что не уволили без пенсии. А вот командование ВМС Сша не знает русскую пословицу - "Шила в мешке не утаишь" особенно на такой большой посудине, как авианосец.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 3 2020 07: 27 New
      +2
      The original article says that at least part of the crew saw a copy of the letter.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 3 2020 07: 00 New
    0
    And hang on a ray laughing
  11. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 3 2020 07: 32 New
    0
    Maybe the commander of how Snowden. The man is essentially good. What is the use of a big avicoryt when the crew is in the infirmary?
  12. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 3 2020 07: 33 New
    +3
    Well, be that as it may, but this vessel anchored for a while, which is also not bad. yes
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 3 2020 07: 40 New
    +2
    The wording is then used up by our am plagiarists vile am
  14. Avior
    Avior April 3 2020 07: 41 New
    +2
    Original article in the Chronicle
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-growing-15170326.php
    The text shows that initially the journalists learned about the situation and the letter from the commander to the bosses from social networks, contacted the team, some anonymously told the details, someone saw the letter itself.
    From the article and further actions and statements it is clear what the difference is between the commander and his superiors
    At that time, the team was already removed from the ship in parts and tested for the virus from the team. But
    The commander declares that it is impossible to ensure the quarantine mode laid down according to the instructions, insists that the command be removed as soon as possible, leaving a small part to maintain the safety of the ship at the base — reactors, security, fire safety.
    The authorities say that the team cannot be removed quickly from such a complex and large ship clogged with weapons, and it is necessary to leave such a part of the team that the aircraft carrier could go out to sea and maintain combat efficiency, even at least minimal.
    As far as I understand, with a reduced team, the ability to follow the quarantine instructions on the ship is much higher.
    It seems that the authorities did not like what got into the newspapers.
    But, perhaps, in any country in the world such bosses would not like
    So the commander has obvious problems
    hi
  15. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 3 2020 08: 07 New
    +1
    Why not drive the ship out to sea, initially, at the first sign of infection in the place of deployment?
    1. Avior
      Avior April 3 2020 08: 39 New
      +3
      It was late
  16. Blondy
    Blondy April 3 2020 08: 37 New
    +2
    Well, this is so trite: to find a scapegoat from below, so that the upper ones do not do the goats themselves.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 3 2020 09: 26 New
      -1
      to find a scapegoat from below, ..... the AUG commander is not so low, the dude wanted the best, but it turned out as always for everyone, but in general there’s nothing to worry about him. his mother’s contentment is not grieving just like software, will resign, write a memoir, which will become a bestseller, show up very well, look further at the techno-thrillers, after all, Tom Clancy has given his soul to God for 3 years (go on their backside) .... .che for all of us here are clueless? incomprehensibly
  17. prior
    prior April 3 2020 09: 00 New
    +3
    The boss is always guilty,
    "Тому в истории мы тьму примеров слышим
    Но мы истории не пишем..."
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 3 2020 09: 30 New
      +4
      У начальника всегда подчинённый виноват,...как говаривал Царь Пётр " вид у подчинённого должен быть лихой и придурковатый, дабы разумением своим не конфузил своего начальство"..по ходу это не только у нас
  18. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus April 3 2020 10: 16 New
    +1
    я таки не понял? он что, письмо "клером" (открытым текстом) передавал в эфир? или в твиттере каком опубликовал? Т.е. воспользоваться каким закрытым каналом не додумался? Или уже утечка произошла от получателя письма? Ну тогда не только командира надо гнать взашей.
  19. faterdom
    faterdom April 3 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    the false impression that the US Navy is in a panic that the command cannot find a way out. In fact, this is not so.

    Maybe it can and can ... Yes, only when it gets cold - then it temporarily cannot. And so, of course - it can.
    It is necessary to learn Russian songs - they are melodious, vital.
    "К ногам привязали ему колосник...."
  20. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 3 2020 11: 50 New
    +1
    Recall that a military officer in a letter informed the command of an outbreak of coronavirus on board and requested immediate assistance, including the evacuation of personnel. This letter was at the disposal of the media.

    He wrote a letter to the command and it turned out in the press. So maybe this command should be fired?
  21. Tank hard
    Tank hard April 3 2020 13: 48 New
    +2
    Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modley said today that a decision had been made to relieve Brett Crozier of his post.

    И где крики либерально настроенных "общечеловеков", типа: " Свободу Юрию Деточкину"! ? Хозяин не велит? wink laughing
  22. WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo April 3 2020 14: 33 New
    -3
    Correctly removed from office, but in a good way - it would be necessary to dismiss the citizen with shame.
    Whatever they say about our Navy from a technical point of view, but I can’t imagine that the captain of our warship would transmit this kind of data to the media - the school is probably not that.
  23. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda April 6 2020 21: 52 New
    0
    And so the crew said goodbye to the captain, saluting his determination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaAprsnenhc&feature=emb_title