"In connection with the loss of confidence": the United States decided to dismiss the commander of the aircraft carrier "Theodore Roosevelt"

It became known about the reaction of the American authorities to the letter sent by the commander (in the American tradition - the captain) of the aircraft carrier "Theodore Roosevelt" Brett Crozier. Recall that a military officer in a letter informed the command of an outbreak of coronavirus on board and requested immediate assistance, including the evacuation of personnel. This letter was at the disposal of the media.

Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modley said today that a decision had been made to relieve Brett Crozier of his post.

Thomas Modley spoke at a briefing that “the captain of the aircraft carrier was overloaded due to the situation with the coronavirus that affected him.”

Modules:

We determined that the best option for him would be dismissal.

The acting minister noted that for the command, “a big surprise” was the news about what was happening on board the “Theodore Roosevelt”, which appeared in the media.

Modules:

There should not have been such a leak. This is his (Crozier) responsibility. Such letters may give the false impression that the US Navy is in a panic, that the command cannot find a way out. In fact, this is not so.

The command of naval operations of the US Navy supported the dismissal of Crozier, using the version of the phrase "in connection with the loss of confidence."

Recall that the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is currently located at one of the bases of Guam. He went there after revealing on it 25 (the official version) of infected sailors. On board were originally more than 5 thousand people. Now they talk about the likelihood of being removed from the board about 2,7 thousand people with quarantine in hospitals. However, a considerable number of aircraft carrier crew on board will remain. According to Modley, this is necessary to maintain the life support systems of an aircraft carrier, control a nuclear reactor and weapons.

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[Valery Valery]

But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Valery Valery

But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

[fk7777777]

The religious matriarchy, Roosevelt, after all, himself one of those demon-elected, was married to his cousin. So that...

[venik]

Quote: Rurikovich

Quote: Valery Valery

But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

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"... Comrade Stalin was in a claw nepgav! Real democracy is the first and foremost - the power of the Mexicans oligags! "(V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin)) .....

[fk7777777]

So it is, with six-barrels to beat people at ...

[knn54]

"His example to others is science" ...

[Alex777]

The dismissal of the captain fully confirms that:

.... panic reigns in the US Navy that the command cannot find a way out.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Valery Valery

But what about the vaunted American democracy? !!!

So far, in the Army and Navy of any country, democracy has not been prescribed.

[Grits]

Quote: tihonmarine

So far, in the Army and Navy of any country, democracy has not been prescribed.

We tried to vaccinate in 1917 - it ended extremely deplorably.

[mole]

Democracy is the ability of those in power to maintain the illusion of government by the people.

[TermNachTer]

Democracy is democracy, and discipline and subordination were, are and will be. However, his uncle can forget about his career, he can’t see the admiral’s badges, if he’ll not be kicked out without a pension.

[svp67]

Well, with the commander it’s clear that he is responsible for everything, allowed ..., to blame ..., must answer ... But did the one who committed the leak of this information answer?

[Rostovchanin]

Or maybe the leak was specially organized in order to topple responsibility and appoint the commander guilty, is this option possible?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Or maybe the leak was specially organized in order to topple responsibility and appoint the commander guilty, is this option possible?

Well and not without it of course

[Avior]

The article in which the information about the letter surfaced (I gave a link to it earlier) says that they learned about the letter from the team from social networks, which, of course, was forbidden.
So partly his responsibility is there, he is a commander, responsible for subordinates.
In social networks, they praised him for taking care of the team
But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked
Although the commander of the ship wrote to the authorities, and not to the newspaper

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked

We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.

[Avior]

Seem to be. They talked too much

[Altona]

Quote: Avior

So partly his responsibility is there, he is a commander, responsible for subordinates.
In social networks, they praised him for taking care of the team
But in fact, it turns out, framed, as he leaked
Although the commander of the ship wrote to the authorities, and not to the newspaper

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Most likely, the ship's commander fell victim to intrigues and intrigues, someone was clearly aiming at his place. From scratch they sent the comcor to resign.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: svp67

But did the one who leaked this information respond?

Yes, never. Yes, for him now zhurnalyugi will tear their asses.
Why, "people want to know"

[Razvedka_Boem]

But what about Snowden and Asange?

[syndicalist]

The usual story for any army of any country. The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.

[svp67]

Quote: syndicalist

The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.

He reported the situation on board and asked for help, what instruction could he violate? What did he leave the fighting position in wartime?

[syndicalist]

I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public

[svp67]

Quote: syndicalist

I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public

According to the text of the article, I realized that the letter was official, but there was a leak

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

According to the text of the article, I realized that the letter was official, but there was a leak

"The formal reason for the suspension was that he sent requests for help with the sick on the ship through" unprotected electronic channels ", which violated protocol.
The actual reason for the suspension is that Crozier’s public statements (which were circulated in the American press) and the subsequent removal of part of the crew from the aircraft carrier (which hastily left for Guam) disavowed the Pentagon’s statements that the ship was fully operational and ready to carry out any tasks.
In fact, telling how things are with the sick on the ship, Crozier set up his own superiors, who issued reassuring statements about the situation with the infected nuclear aircraft carrier. "

[svp67]

Quote: Gray Brother

In fact

The action of the command was clear and clear, it was believed that he had panicked and could not keep everything secret ... Accusations could have been put forward quite tough to break his career forever ... but he was obviously moving to admirals.

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

The action of the command was clear and clear, it was considered that he panicked and could not keep everything secret ..

Of course, he panicked - secrecy is directly related to the lack of action, because it is fawn.
They would shut everyone on the ship and they would cook there in their own juice.

[svp67]

Quote: Gray Brother

They would shut everyone on the ship and they would cook there in their own juice.

I don't know how the American naval command would have acted, but the transformation of such a powerful combat unit into a "plague ship", or even more into a "Flying Dutchman", clearly did not suit them, so that measures simply had to be taken. And most likely they were preparing, they were simply not communicated. But what has already happened has happened. "Let's take a look", at the development of events

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

I don’t know how the American naval command would act,

It would normally act - all the right decisions were made by wise leadership, all the wrong ones were made by the captain of the ship.
Minimum written orders, some retroactively.
As a result, the authorities lose nothing, and the illiterate commander troughs the chopping block.

[Altona]

Quote: Gray Brother

In fact, telling how things are with the sick on the ship, Crozier set up his own superiors, who issued reassuring statements about the situation with the infected nuclear aircraft carrier. "

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And the authorities, covering their fifth point, reset the comcor. In principle, it is logical. Measures taken, innocent punished, uninjured awarded.

[Gray brother]

Quote: syndicalist

I understand that he turned not only to the command, but to the American public

He suspected that the command would hide the situation before melt and the ship would turn into a plague hut during this time.

[ximkim]

What he told the crew about the letter (content) for the command, and let them in the social network. It's healthy that the captain does not care about his team, but why should the whole world know what is going on at the AUG Navy ..

[YOUR]

Not for the whole world screaming SOS, reported on command. They are trying to relieve themselves of responsibility. Do not declare that some congressman speaks the language right and left.
Everyone can get sick. Here on the daughter of VO, the site Military materials infa stands, our nuclear submarine Eagle, the crew is quarantined.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: svp67

He reported the situation on board and asked for help, what instruction could he violate? What did he leave the fighting position in wartime?

In the archives of the Russian Navy there are files called "folder with classified papers."
One of them contains the report of the commander that the cruiser "Oleg" (from memory) ran into something (I suspect sand), bent the shaft, loosened the bracket, and could not give full speed (from memory it lost more than 6 knots).
It was in the Red Sea.
At once, he should not know that the ship is not fully operational. Especially far from the homeland.

The actions of the leadership of the US Navy are correct.
And we had a similar case when the sailors photographed the submarine commander, or when they used GPS phones in the Mediterranean ... The commanders were also removed.

[fk7777777]

The trampoline is smart, 200 thousand garbage, that's 20 mil., Well, you might think, although not 200 mil., But ... So that is nonsense.

[Dmitry Potapov]

A good commander does just that.

[Altona]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

A good commander does just that.

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In general, Crozier is worthy of our order, with a record of being awarded "for incapacitation of the US AUG."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: syndicalist

The commander is trying to save the crew, breaking instructions.

The commander, in the first place, carries out orders, for which he is the commander. It was, is and will be. The commander who does not follow the order is not needed in any army.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: syndicalist

breaking instructions.

It is in what such instruction is forbidden to ask for help in connection with a threat to the life and health of the crew?

[andrewkor]

They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: andrewkor

They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general

Banned a man!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Banned a man!

No correspondence.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andrewkor

They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral!

Such admirals do not become, and even the commander is a lot for him, the maximum is a chief officer.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: andrewkor

They broke a guy’s career, but he could have become an admiral! How did I become a general

Let him come to us at TopWar, we will help him in promoting ...
... If something else tells about the combat readiness of the Amer fleet.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Sergey S.

Let him come to us at TopWar, we will help him in promoting ...

If it is "correct" to write comments ...

[mitroha]

Thomas Modley spoke at a briefing that “the captain of the aircraft carrier was overloaded due to the situation with the coronavirus that affected him.”

The floridly written phrase "the roof has gone" does not change the essence. The command is the same everywhere. The main thing is to cover your ass, and we will always find someone to blame. And let's imagine crazy.
But in fact, the captain simply despaired of reaching out to the higher command.

[Retvizan 8]

Gentlemen "Fathers Commanders", be consistent and now Acting Secretary of the US Navy Thomas Modley must also bear the burden of responsibility for the actions of his subordinate, I demand that this sloven be fired afterwards!

[Asad]

I read the headline, thought Trump was fired!

[Altona]

Quote: ASAD

I read the headline, thought Trump was fired!

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They cannot fire Donald Fredovich, they just impeach for good reason.

[Mountain shooter]

They distracted the public from the essence of the problem ... A loud scandal, the removal of the commander (who tried to help the crew) - and everyone was already distracted from the fact that the largest warship, 10% of the country's carrier group, became unworkable, for at least a month ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

10% of the carrier group of the country, became uncompetent

Why 10%? 30, or even 50. If I am not mistaken, of the 12 aircraft carriers that are officially in service, only 2, or 3, are currently combat-ready. If I'm wrong, correct it. This is all the hype due to the fact that the team is supposed to be quarantined, but there is simply no other aircraft carrier.

[syndicalist]

This is just a circumstance of zero significance. No US politician or official believes in the possibility of an attack on America. Not only during a pandemic, but in general.

[rotmistr60]

his best option would be dismissal

A commander on a ship is not only a "tsar" who has broad rights, but also a person who is fully responsible for the ship and crew. Therefore, the fact that the commander asked for help after analyzing the situation is the right decision, but the leak of official information in the media is certainly not acceptable. This means that either the crew was poorly instructed, or completely scored on all the prohibitions, worrying exclusively about their health. The main thing is that they did not get fired without a pension. But the command of the US Navy does not know the Russian proverb - "You can't hide an awl in a sack" especially on such a large vessel as an aircraft carrier.

[Avior]

The original article says that at least part of the crew saw a copy of the letter.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And hang on a ray

[Dmitry Potapov]

Maybe the commander of how Snowden. The man is essentially good. What is the use of a big avicoryt when the crew is in the infirmary?

[Nyrobsky]

Well, be that as it may, but this vessel anchored for a while, which is also not bad.

[Thrifty]

The wording is then used up by our plagiarists vile

[Avior]

Original article in the Chronicle
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-growing-15170326.php
The text shows that initially the journalists learned about the situation and the letter from the commander to the bosses from social networks, contacted the team, some anonymously told the details, someone saw the letter itself.
From the article and further actions and statements it is clear what the difference is between the commander and his superiors
At that time, the team was already removed from the ship in parts and tested for the virus from the team. But
The commander declares that it is impossible to ensure the quarantine mode laid down according to the instructions, insists that the command be removed as soon as possible, leaving a small part to maintain the safety of the ship at the base — reactors, security, fire safety.
The authorities say that the team cannot be removed quickly from such a complex and large ship clogged with weapons, and it is necessary to leave such a part of the team that the aircraft carrier could go out to sea and maintain combat efficiency, even at least minimal.
As far as I understand, with a reduced team, the ability to follow the quarantine instructions on the ship is much higher.
It seems that the authorities did not like what got into the newspapers.
But, perhaps, in any country in the world such bosses would not like
So the commander has obvious problems

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Why not drive the ship out to sea, initially, at the first sign of infection in the place of deployment?

[Avior]

It was late

[Blondy]

Well, this is so trite: to find a scapegoat from below, so that the upper ones do not do the goats themselves.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

to find a scapegoat from below, ..... the AUG commander is not so low, the dude wanted the best, but it turned out as always for everyone, but in general there’s nothing to worry about him. his mother’s contentment is not grieving just like software, will resign, write a memoir, which will become a bestseller, show up very well, look further at the techno-thrillers, after all, Tom Clancy has given his soul to God for 3 years (go on their backside) .... .che for all of us here are clueless? incomprehensibly

[prior]

The boss is always guilty,
"We hear a lot of examples of this in history
But we don't write history ... "

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The boss always has a subordinate to blame ... as Tsar Peter used to say, "the subordinate should look dashing and silly, so that his mind does not embarrass his superiors" .. along the way it is not only with us

[Region-25.rus]

I still do not understand? Did he broadcast the letter in "Claire" (in plain text)? or which one did you publish on Twitter? Those. to use which closed channel did not think of? Or has it already leaked from the recipient of the letter? Well then, not only the commander must be driven.

[faterdom]

the false impression that the US Navy is in a panic that the command cannot find a way out. In fact, this is not so.

Maybe it can and can ... Yes, only when it gets cold - then it temporarily cannot. And so, of course - it can.
It is necessary to learn Russian songs - they are melodious, vital.
"They tied a grate to his feet ...."

[sanik2020]

Recall that a military officer in a letter informed the command of an outbreak of coronavirus on board and requested immediate assistance, including the evacuation of personnel. This letter was at the disposal of the media.

He wrote a letter to the command and it turned out in the press. So maybe this command should be fired?

[Tank hard]

Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modley said today that a decision had been made to relieve Brett Crozier of his post.

And where are the cries of liberal-minded "common people" like: "Freedom to Yuri Detochkin"! ? Doesn't the owner order?

[WayKheThuo]

Correctly removed from office, but in a good way - it would be necessary to dismiss the citizen with shame.
Whatever they say about our Navy from a technical point of view, but I can’t imagine that the captain of our warship would transmit this kind of data to the media - the school is probably not that.

[KrolikZanuda]

And so the crew said goodbye to the captain, saluting his determination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaAprsnenhc&feature=emb_title