The Western press wrote about the creation by virologists of the deadly coronavirus back in 2015


The network is actively discussing media publications from 2015 on coronavirus. We are talking about material that was released in 2015 in a large scientific publication Nature, which also tells about the development of scientists in various fields.


Almost five years ago, this Western magazine informed its readers that American biologists created a new type of virus by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus, which was extracted from the respiratory organs of a bat. It is noteworthy that even then Nature reported that it was about bats that lived in China.

The scientific journal said that such a hybrid coronavirus, combining SARS and bats, can infect a person’s lungs, leading to death. And if it goes beyond the laboratory, it will begin to spread uncontrollably.

Once again - this publication came out in 2015!

At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "warning mankind about the danger."
From the material:

The mutant virus can take many lives.

It turns out that then few people paid attention to this publication. Also, the purpose for which Western virologists created this “Frankenstein” of the viral world was not indicated.

Today in Western publications, commenting on that publication, they write that the alleged hybrid coronavirus "is very little like COVID-19." True, no one in this situation talks about whether the virus synthesized by scientists could mutate precisely to the current state.

For reference: only yesterday in Russia coronavirus was diagnosed in 71 people. Thus, the number of infected in the Russian Federation reached 438 people. Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.
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  1. Uncle lee 24 March 2020 06: 35 New
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    Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.
    She herself is a virus!
    1. Finches 24 March 2020 06: 40 New
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      Humanity is constantly in its desire for self-destruction ... laughing
      1. Finches 24 March 2020 07: 06 New
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        However, in accordance with his fad insanity, laughing I emphasize that this can be expected from the Anglo-Saxons - they have long been obsessed with watching Hollywood horror stories about all sorts of zombie apocalypse and they have a certain thirst for the destruction of Asians and in general all people since the creation of the Opium Wars and the nuclear bomb!
        1. Mountain shooter 24 March 2020 07: 30 New
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          For reference: only yesterday in Russia coronavirus was diagnosed in 71 people. Thus, the number of infected in the Russian Federation reached 438 people. Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.

          A good attempt by the author ... Well then, for comparison, in the United States in a day more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...
          1. Nyrobsky 24 March 2020 10: 30 New
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            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Well then, for comparison, in the United States per day more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...

            There is even no doubt that mattresses are directly involved in this "prank" with a pandemic. I don’t think that this was done intentionally, but .... Probably, having allowed the virus to “escape” from the laboratory, the Americans, in order to avoid responsibility, hid this information from the population and the world community for a while until they “successfully” imported its “brother” to China, after which, with a sigh of relief, the United States and Great Britain almost at one moment accused the PRC in unison. If China is a hotbed, then why, with a billion people and a comparable territory, the virus has received much less territorial distribution within China than in the United States, where almost all states are infected with the virus?
          2. venik 24 March 2020 15: 55 New
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            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            A good attempt by the author ... Well then, for comparison, in the United States in a day more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...

            =======
            It just happens that a furious dog (nothing bad about our four-legged friends!) Rushes to the "owner"!
          3. Nemchinov Vl 24 March 2020 17: 22 New
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            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Well then, for comparison, in the United States per day more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ..
            God - marks the huck !! (or how they say tramp, - "God is not a fraer, he sees everything !!") wink

            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Probably, having allowed the virus to “escape” from the laboratory to avoid responsibility, for some time they hid this information from the population and the world community until they “successfully” imported its “brother” into China, after which, with a sigh of relief, the USA and Great Britain practically at one point, the Chinese people were blamed in unison. If China is a hotbed, then why, with a billion people and a comparable territory, the virus has received much less territorial distribution within China than in the United States, where almost all states are infected with the virus?
            again, Slavic wisdom says - "what measure you measure, such is measured to you !!!" yes for the watchful (according to the laws of nature) were our ancestors ... yes
            Quote: aleks_29296
            I immediately vanged that it was a biological weapon that had escaped to freedom, and bats were out of place here.
            well of course the world is not without prophets lol
            Quote: rotmistr60
            If a week ago, claims that the man-made virus were perceived exclusively as conspiracy theories, today only the Anglo-Saxons in chorus claim that it is natural and, moreover, according to Trump, is “Chinese”, and most began to think about the question of where and who is to blame.
            You think they anticipate the possibility of an adequate "otvetka" from China ?! repeat or experience light not dexterity belay ?!
            Quote: Den717
            In any case, the UN must express its claims to the United States directly and in person on behalf of the world community.
            in theory, yes. But the UN, in this case, will allow itself to not notice anything. request after all it's the USA rather than imaginary chemical attack by civilians Assad or Hussein ...?! winked there is a difference in the reference point and the coordinate axis ... hi
            Quote: askort154
            At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "warning mankind about the danger."

            The Pentagon has created biological laboratories in 25 countries. On the Internet there is a map of their location. What immediately catches your eye, not a single laboratory is in the United States, EU, and NATO countries. The European part is only in Georgia and Ukraine. But the whole world is blind to this. Neither the media, nor Greenpeace, nor human rights defenders,
            nor the UN does not "notice."
            here. everything as you see is logical ...
        2. Campanella 24 March 2020 18: 07 New
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          This is a snowball! The apotheosis of democracy, pluralism and tolerance.
      2. g1washntwn 24 March 2020 08: 00 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Humanity is constantly in its desire for self-destruction

        Not all of its part. But a fly in the ointment spoils all the honey.
    2. Voyager 24 March 2020 07: 39 New
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      She herself is a virus!

      So stay away from her.
      1. Letun 24 March 2020 09: 31 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        She herself is a virus!

        So stay away from her.

        A joke in the subject.
        In connection with the coronovirus, Moscow closed the border with Russia.
      2. Uncle lee 24 March 2020 10: 07 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        away.

        So far away! Then only Kamchatka ...
    3. Campanella 24 March 2020 09: 51 New
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      Inappropriate statement.
    4. Uncle lee 24 March 2020 10: 08 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      She herself

      I'm talking about fish rotting from the head! Really incomprehensible!
      1. RideMaster 24 March 2020 18: 31 New
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        Fish rots from the intestines, is it worth talking with aphorisms?
    5. Slavs 24 March 2020 10: 24 New
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      By the number of your cons, you can calculate the presence of Muscovites on the site))
      1. Uncle lee 24 March 2020 10: 33 New
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        Quote: Slavs
        the presence of Muscovites

        And not only ! There are those who firmly believe in the infallibility of the current government.
  2. Fedor Sokolov 24 March 2020 06: 42 New
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    Even a fool understands that this virus is a man-made product that has arisen from nowhere, and will disappear nowhere.
    1. bessmertniy 24 March 2020 07: 03 New
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      Sooner or later, man-made viruses had to break out of the laboratories. But they still have a lot of deadly strains that can also go free and make an apocalypse. negative
      1. Aerodrome 24 March 2020 07: 12 New
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        based on experience with this "coronavirus", the following can be fatal for everyone.
        1. depressant 24 March 2020 07: 55 New
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          Based on what you said, colleague Aerodromny.
          The leadership of the PRC at first swayed - there are few viral outbreaks in the world! Moreover, in China in the face of a huge crowd of people. And then, suddenly, for inexplicable reasons, China acted as if a bacteriological war had been declared on it. So there was a certain circumstance that is not visible to us from here - one that forced the Chinese to think that way, taking into account economic differences with the United States.
          Or the Chinese leadership, taking advantage of the situation, taking into account the special danger of the virus (a long incubation period) and the possibility of bacteriological warfare, decided to conduct exercises, waving a hand at the economy. What is the economy if the country is depopulated. And also taking into account the fact that viruses have been developed and patented for a long time. Like antidotes to them.
          Based on what I said. Given the impossibility of using nuclear weapons, mankind has entered a stage of a new type of war — far more dangerous than the stage of using conventional types of weapons. At the previous stage, the enemy was detected visually or by radar. And it was possible to negotiate through diplomatic means, to bargain, to exhort, or to give an answer. The virus is invisible. Aggressor unknown. It is impossible to agree.
          Therefore, we are in a new stage in the arms race in the form of medicines and advanced medical technologies. We would like our government to realize as soon as possible the particular danger of the situation and to invest enough funds in disaster medicine. And the fact that coronavirus is a disaster is undoubted for me.
          1. Campanella 24 March 2020 18: 12 New
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            About the antidote. The Americans wanted to buy the development of the Germans against the coronovirus. This may indicate that there is an antidote for the elite and they do not want others to have it. Or the virus was accidentally released, which I have little faith in.
    2. aleks_29296 24 March 2020 07: 48 New
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      I immediately vanged that it was a biological weapon that had escaped to freedom, and bats were out of place here.
      1. Snail N9 24 March 2020 08: 49 New
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        Yesterday I watched a program about the coronovirus on the Star channel, so there the biological weapons specialist directly stated that experts from all over the world know for sure that COVID-19 is an artificial product that came out of the laboratory, the so-called "chimera", consisting of parts of volatile viruses mice, snakes and something there taken from AIDS. It also called a strange situation that all experts clearly say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and the type accidentally switched to humans. Why are they so stubborn?
        1. vladimirvn 24 March 2020 09: 42 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          It also called a strange situation that all experts unequivocally say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and the type accidentally switched to humans. Why are they so stubborn?

          Because the whole world elite feels its kinship. They are all for one.
        2. IGOR GORDEEV 24 March 2020 09: 46 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          It also called a strange situation that all experts unequivocally say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and the type accidentally switched to humans. Why are they so stubborn?

          In my opinion, it is just the virologists who insist on its natural origin - they say that a person cannot create more complicated and dangerous than nature.
        3. zadorin1974 24 March 2020 10: 34 New
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          Because, dear Snail, that recognizing the man-madeness of the virus, politicians will have to retaliate. For a long time, the number of American bio-laboratories around the world is not a secret (at the moment another one is being completed in Kazakhstan). A sale policy of imperialism laughing
      2. Slavs 24 March 2020 10: 26 New
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        Quote: aleks_29296
        break free

        Released ...
  3. rotmistr60 24 March 2020 06: 42 New
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    If a week ago, claims that the man-made virus were perceived exclusively as conspiracy theories, today only the Anglo-Saxons in chorus claim that it is natural and, moreover, according to Trump, is “Chinese”, and most began to think about the question of where and who is to blame.
  4. Aleksey Aleksandrovich 24 March 2020 06: 50 New
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    Meanwhile, today in Western publications, commenting on that publication, they write that the alleged hybrid coronavirus "is very little like COVID-19."


    In general - no one knows nichrome, except those who are supposed to know. And to these arguments of Internet connoisseurs, the price is half a penny on a market day.
  5. Ren
    Ren 24 March 2020 06: 52 New
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    I will quote myself from an early one (I started trying about this article in Nature back in February for various resources) winked :
    This virus with a high degree of probability (highly likely) was created by Americans in 2014 - a link to a publication in the scientific journal NATURE: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

    hi
    1. Ren
      Ren 24 March 2020 07: 07 New
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      In addition, judging by the COVID-19 genome (nee SARS-CoV-2, 2019-nCoV)
      UCSC Genome Browser Link:
      https://genome.ucsc.edu/cgi-bin/hgTracks?db=wuhCor1
      It is fully consistent with the definition.
      by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus

      Additionally, you can read the news from 2015:
      https://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/13/virus/
      hi
  6. mark1 24 March 2020 06: 57 New
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    Right now, we should take the appropriate opportunity to declare the American "plague" laboratories around the perimeter of the Russian Federation a threat to all of humanity, and to us specifically, and demand that they be removed within 24 hours or (at least) at the same time, allow a verification inspection. Otherwise, a large thermobaric broads "dad of all bombs" for each object. The world will support us (I hope not somewhere deep in my soul)
    1. Volodin 24 March 2020 07: 03 New
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      Quote: mark1
      Otherwise, a large thermobaric broads "dad of all bombs" for each object. The world will support us (I hope not somewhere deep in my soul)

      A bomb in the plague labs? You should hardly count on support with the “whole world” with such a proposal. It's like fighting a stink and germs from a toilet using a grenade thrown in there ...
      1. mark1 24 March 2020 07: 05 New
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        You probably have a poor idea of ​​what a "vacuum" bomb would otherwise have been.
        1. Volodin 24 March 2020 07: 08 New
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          Quote: mark1
          "plague" laboratories around the perimeter of the Russian Federation

          No, I just perfectly imagine what it means to “bang vacuum bombs” around the perimeter of the Russian Federation. But you, it seems, really have a poor idea of ​​how it threatens us, and what a synthesized virus is.

          By the way, regarding the conduct of inspections, I agree with you. But with the "vacuum bombs" you obviously went too far ...
          1. mark1 24 March 2020 07: 17 New
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            Do you know a way to kill a virus better than thermal or do you think that a synthesized virus is not afraid of it?
      2. Den717 24 March 2020 07: 16 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        A bomb in the plague labs? You should hardly count on support with the “whole world” with such a proposal.

        The elimination of laboratories should be done with all precautions so that not a single tube breaks, no cockroach escapes. The bomb proposal is a step toward suicide.
        1. mark1 24 March 2020 07: 48 New
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          Quote: Den717
          so that not a single tube breaks, no cockroach escapes

          And then you throw all this into the oven ... What's wrong?
          Damage radius (thermal) 300m, can be duplicated
          1. Den717 24 March 2020 08: 16 New
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            Quote: mark1
            Damage radius (thermal) 300m, can be duplicated

            We still cannot control explosive processes and guarantee 100% elimination of microorganisms and bacteria. Moreover, it is unlikely that they will provide us with preliminary information about what is being developed in the laboratory at the time of the decision. I note that when a bomb exploded over Hiroshima, not all of the uranium worked, most of it was dispersed above the point of explosion. So it’s better to overdo it.
            Quote: mark1
            And then you throw all this into the oven ...

            But in the "furnace" can be destroyed with a guarantee. There are lots of ways to deal with dangerous medical waste from laboratories of a similar profile. Despite the fact that it’s not just “throwing it into the oven”, there are a lot of nuances ...
            1. mark1 24 March 2020 08: 26 New
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              Quote: Den717
              bomb explosion over Hiroshima not all uranium fired

              And what does it have to do with it? !!!
              Or we don’t understand each other, or you are clever for the sake of the process.
              1. Den717 24 March 2020 08: 55 New
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                Quote: mark1
                And what does it have to do with it? !!!

                This is about the uncontrolled processes in the explosion. But if you really want to, you can bang. What am I trying to persuade you? request
                1. mark1 24 March 2020 09: 01 New
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                  I do not want to bang, I want to force the Americans to remove the plague laboratories around the perimeter of Russia. How can you do this other than the threat of destruction? Extreme concern and bewilderment? My method is the most "clean" and impressive in the psyche of the governments and peoples of the host countries - not by storm to take them!
                  1. Den717 24 March 2020 09: 11 New
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                    Quote: mark1
                    I want to get the Americans to clean the plague labs

                    It’s impossible without war. You understand very well ....
                    1. mark1 24 March 2020 12: 48 New
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                      Katz offers to surrender?
                      There will be no war - there will be a terrible howl.
                      1. Den717 24 March 2020 13: 47 New
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                        Quote: mark1
                        I want to make the Americans ...... Katz offers to give up?
                        There will be no war - there will be a terrible howl.

                        I would like to ask by what means do you want to "force the Americans"? What do you have for this? Zilch ... Iskander-Caliber-Poseidon? This is for war. And for political pressure? Discard unrealizable dreams and wanderings in the dark. What has been applied to them in recent years to, at least, return property to the United States? To overcome the sanctions on the "SP-2"? Now, be aware - in the light of our capabilities, the phrase “force the Americans” is not worth a penny.
        2. Demon_is_ada 24 March 2020 09: 18 New
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          It’s not for nothing that the volume-detonating ammunition in our army has chemical protection, bumblebees, tos, knapsack flamethrowers (in warehouses) ... But with test tubes with liquid, you need to think about it, you may not have time to heat up during the explosion, and the pressure may not be enough . The sprayed ones are neutralized, this is a fact, but the containers?
    2. military_cat 24 March 2020 07: 59 New
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      Quote: mark1
      Otherwise, a large thermobaric broads "dad of all bombs" for each object.
      You can still burn scientists at the stake, because it is they, the demoniac, who cast the evil eye and damage. Especially when they know what they are talking about, and their forecasts are justified with amazing accuracy.
      1. mark1 24 March 2020 08: 03 New
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        Good morning! Wash, have a good breakfast, otherwise you are awake in a basin, sorry, bubbled.
        1. military_cat 24 March 2020 08: 09 New
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          Not everyone is pleased when his appeals so accurately fit into sad historical analogies, I understand.
          1. mark1 24 March 2020 08: 21 New
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            Either you did not heed my advice and did not cheer up from sleep, or you are an employee of one of these plague scarabs, I’m afraid to even speculate about the third.
            1. military_cat 24 March 2020 08: 24 New
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              Quote: mark1
              worker of one of these plague rams
              The extremely non-obsessive attitude towards epidemiologists and virologists is immediately apparent. laughing Take the pitchfork already, make a fire. wink
              1. mark1 24 March 2020 08: 27 New
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                Yeah! went for matches ... smile
  7. edeligor 24 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    When creating such war viruses, a neutralizer is created in the first place. Therefore, if this virus is of artificial origin, then someone, in the near future, will be fabulously enriched. Today, Donald Trump said that this week the Americans will be offered effective medicine from this infection. Open sources, friends ...
    1. Alex_You 24 March 2020 10: 03 New
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      Also, or maybe even better, the "effective medicine" is already for a week at the pharmacy opposite my house, it is for sale. laughing
  8. Nitarius 24 March 2020 07: 08 New
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    virologists .. it is necessary to put to the wall for such an invention! and especially companies that continue to invent such rubbish!
  9. Den717 24 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    Almost five years ago, this Western magazine informed its readers that American biologists created a new type of virus by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus, which was extracted from the respiratory organs of a bat.

    Considering that the United States from 2001 to the present day continues to block attempts to resume work on a legally binding protocol to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BTWC), it is highly likely that the ongoing pandemic is the work of their hands. And if the infection can be partly attributed to a random accident, then their refusal to transfer materials on the development of this virus into the hands of international organizations in order to develop methods of fighting the infection can be assessed as a crime against humanity. And the US president must directly and personally bear all legal responsibility for the consequences of the actions of his state. In any case, the UN must express its claims to the United States directly and in person on behalf of the world community.
  10. rocket757 24 March 2020 07: 15 New
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    There will be, a shish kebab, a shashlik of us all .... if experimenters in white coats don’t get comfortable, with or without uniform, it doesn’t matter.
    1. Campanella 24 March 2020 10: 12 New
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      And they will not calm down, and it isn’t itching for the experimenters ... to cross everything and everything. This is paid for by influential uncles who rule the world, while remaining children with their own complexes.
      1. rocket757 24 March 2020 10: 28 New
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        Wealthy uncles, with childish Wishlist ... it's dangerous. It was necessary in childhood - the brains of youth to rule ..... could not.
        1. Campanella 24 March 2020 12: 51 New
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          Unfortunately, it is precisely these “extravagant” people who fall into power for the most part. People are bored of choosing neither fish nor meat, give them creative, brighter, so that the scrotum to the paving stones ...
          1. rocket757 24 March 2020 13: 04 New
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            There were all kinds of authorities ... even the dehmocratic routes elected their Fuhrer.
            1. Campanella 24 March 2020 13: 06 New
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              Here I am about it.)))
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    1. Vladimir 24 March 2020 09: 02 New
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      I am silent for Georgia and the Baltic states. But where is the American laboratory in Ukraine? It’s not Kazakhstan, what the hell are you hiding from magazines even for money.
  12. fif21 24 March 2020 07: 26 New
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    Avian influenza, swine flu, mouse flu ... All this is created by man. Conclusion: in order to protect humanity from extinction, it is necessary to eliminate the sources of danger. The UN resolution on criminalizing the creation of biological weapons will be the starting point in the fight against this scourge. hi
    1. unhappy 24 March 2020 08: 22 New
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      All this is created by man.
      .
      Peremptory statement. The world is so arranged, claims to God. Too large a population of people increases the likelihood of contacts with natural genomes and the emergence of "new" diseases.
      However, the common people are the last to find out the truth, and the unprecedented measures of all countries on security and the fight against the epidemic are alarming.
      1. Campanella 24 March 2020 13: 14 New
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        Easy, drop everything on the device of the world. Then you need to review a bunch of postulates that determine the life of a person, relax and surrender to the will of the Almighty. And the most important thing is a person who encroached on the established world order dooms people to suffering.
    2. Vadim237 24 March 2020 14: 02 New
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      And all this strangely flares up in China, considering their kitchen features with the same mouse rat snakes and all the creeping crap out of four that the Chinese don’t eat chairs, tables and stools from biological laboratories with viruses, you can’t take the virus out as the whole staff is completely protective suits are under constant video surveillance and the strain samples themselves are stored in special containers at the outlet for sanitation with ultraviolet lamps and other equipment; everything does not mean that this new virus is of natural origin in conjunction with human consumption of everything that does not get into unsanitary conditions and that it infects everyone specially - that would money to lose yourself and your loved ones infect it must be a complete moron - such in special laboratories do not work.
  13. Alex_59 24 March 2020 07: 30 New
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    I read both articles referenced in similar notes. The first refers to the search work of scientists to model possible mutations of the 2003 SARS virus. The work is more than justified - that's why they are scientists to predict the possible development of events and prepare to fend off new threats. I think that this is their direct responsibility, they are paid money for it, and most likely scientists in the whole world are engaged in such work, and not just in the USA or China.
    The second article says that some scientists consider such work too risky, and some, on the contrary, are necessary. It is reported that in the US, these experiments were banned, although the current work was completed after the ban.
    In any case, there is no connection between the current outbreak of COVID viruses and those works in 2015. Yes, similar scientific work was carried out, but a similar virus was created. But it does not follow from this that the modern epidemic is the consequences of those scientific works.
    1. military_cat 24 March 2020 07: 56 New
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      Moreover: studies have shown that the outbreak that is happening now is a real threat - the threat came true exactly five years later, and different people began to blame it on those who warned, because smart ones hurt, is it suspicious? This is called "obscurantism."
      1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 08: 33 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        This is called "obscurantism."

        REN-TVism is this. laughing
        And I want to draw attention to the fact that there is no proven logical link between the work on SARS in 2015 and COVID.
        Well, that is, somewhere in someone’s box lies a gun. At that time, someone was killed in another place from the same model of a pistol. Is it possible to consider the murderer of the one who holds the same gun in a box?
        Another similar example is Skripal poisoning. Somewhere somewhere, Russians developed a rookie roster. After a couple of decades in another country, someone killed a man named Skripal, a substance with a similar formula. Why does it have to be Russian? Just because they were the first to develop this formula? Brad shorter ...
        1. military_cat 24 March 2020 08: 49 New
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          Well, if you already remembered ...

          If someone showed materials on which two tourists from the USA come to Wuhan for a couple of days, go to the house of the US traitor (who will be the first infected), go to see local sights, moving away from the sights, and so for two days in a row, they don’t look at anything else, they immediately fly back to the USA, along the route they find a container with traces of the virus - I would agree that the version of the biological attack is extremely plausible.
          1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 14: 10 New
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            What kind of tourists from the USA do you find from the beginning such sheep that agree to carry biological weapons around the world and do not drag the container with these weapons across the border, it should be iron and not small in size in order to avoid damage to the capsules themselves during transportation and in order to use it, these guys should have biological defense suits.
            1. Nyrobsky 24 March 2020 15: 00 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              What kind of tourists from the USA do you find from the beginning such sheep that agree to carry biological weapons around the world and do not drag the container with these weapons across the border, it should be iron and not small in size in order to avoid damage to the capsules themselves during transportation and in order to use it, these guys should have biological defense suits.

              In Wuhan, the US Consulate. No one has canceled the diplomatic mail, and as you know, it is not subject to verification, so sending a small container with virus filling is not a problem from the word at all. The mattresses were one of the first to urgently evacuate from Wuhan all their “consultants” and some “chosen” civilians, which further fueled panic and some specific interest. It was not for nothing that China had a number of questions for the United States to which, to this day, having gone into complete ignorance, they did not answer anything intelligible, identifying China as the primary source of the epidemic.
              1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 17: 16 New
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                Well, yes, they sent biological consuls to the consulate, consuls put on overalls, chemical protection opened the container, took the material into the car and went to infect the Chinese on the market with conversations now we’ll infect them later - they infected the whole world, tens of thousands in the USA and the consuls’s family, arranged the biggest collapse of the American market and drove the US economy into recession - god level plan for cretinism. Read less advice to you about any jaundice and turn your head on more often.
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  infected the whole world, tens of thousands in the USA and the family of consuls themselves, staged the biggest collapse of the American market and drove the US economy into recession

                  Why do you think that the mess with the collapse of the global economy is not beneficial to the United States? The collapse of the existing financial system will contribute to the elimination of the debt burden, because the total debt, which actually cannot be repaid, is several times higher than world GDP. This is better than fixing the problem through war, which may be the last in the history of mankind.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Read less advice to you about any jaundice and turn your head on more often.
                  Mutually hi
            2. military_cat 24 March 2020 15: 37 New
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              What for tourists from the USA
              You somehow strangely argue with my hypothetical thought experiment - as if I had somehow asserted that it was a real fact.
        2. Stirbjorn 24 March 2020 09: 13 New
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          REN-TVism is this.
          And I want to draw attention to the fact that there is no proven logical link between the work on SARS in 2015 and COVID.

          I agree with you. Now they’re dragging Wang’s ears off - like she’d predicted all this wassat Moreover, it is not a fact that there are still, in such articles over so many years, many more possible scenarios of a different apocalypse are not yet described. Just guessed with one
    2. g1washntwn 24 March 2020 07: 57 New
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      If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then this is probably a duck.
      1. military_cat 24 March 2020 08: 17 New
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        Are biological weapons precisely developed by publishing articles in open magazines and warning of danger and leaving a five-year period to prepare? Is it definitely being done with absolutely zero selectivity between strangers and your own? It is precisely used without providing precautions for itself in advance?

        It doesn’t look like a duck. It looks like a crow, which is recorded in ducks, at the same time coming up with a bunch of props and crutches to explain why it does not look like a duck and does not quack like a duck.
      2. Alex_59 24 March 2020 08: 29 New
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        If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then this is probably a duck.
        The laws of physics, they are equally valid both in the laboratory in 2015 and in the Chinese cave with bats in 2019. So the duck is really a duck.
    3. Campanella 24 March 2020 10: 08 New
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      Modeling mutations - do not you think this formulation is strange? Running ahead of a steam locomotive is extremely unreasonable, just like cutting bitches ...
      1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 10: 27 New
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        Modeling mutations - do not you think this formulation is strange? Running ahead of the engine is not logical, it’s the same as cutting bitches ..

        I am not familiar with the technology of scientific medicine, but with technical science it is. So all the advanced developments that have now become the norm of life are obtained by running ahead of the engine. Starting from the Internet, and ending with nuclear weapons. Moreover, I would put the study of nuclear fusion on a par with the degree of danger to humanity, along with the study of possible pathways for the development of viruses.
        1. Campanella 24 March 2020 12: 47 New
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          I am not inclined to broad generalizations. Many of our developments (Soviet) were obtained in parallel with the main tasks, people were interested. In this case, it is unclear why create a new virus? A bunch of old ones exist, plus explore mutations, I don’t want to. So in my opinion this is an order.
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            So in my opinion this is an order.

            So who is the order for? Who is the beneficiary? All are dying the same for now. Both Americans and Chinese.
            Quote: Campanella
            In this case, it is unclear why create a new virus?

            It is very clear, in my understanding. Modeling of virus mutation paths allows:
            a) understand what new viruses may arise
            b) understanding how these viruses can act, how dangerous they are, how tenacious
            c) understand how to deal with these viruses in advance before they appear.
            In the same way, army headquarters are obliged in peacetime to create and work out the wildest scenarios of potential future wars in order to understand how to act, what scenarios and threats can be. Therefore, the presence of a plan, for example, of Washington’s nuclear bombing at the General Staff of the Russian Federation, does not at all indicate intentions to deliver such a strike.
            1. Campanella 24 March 2020 17: 45 New
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              Everything "good" they have is done by order of the US State Department or the US Department of Defense. They do not stop the war and frantically fight for their world leadership. Everything is clear here.
              And in my opinion, everything can be perfectly studied on the old virus.
              And the fact that new viruses can arise is clear to the child, and that let’s artificially produce them? It sounds like a go-ahead.
        2. Vadim237 24 March 2020 14: 17 New
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          Why is nuclear fusion dangerous for humanity?
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            Why is nuclear fusion dangerous for humanity?

            Now you know how dangerous it is, and if you fuck it, then it will not be worse than in Chernobyl - it’s unpleasant, but bearable. And you put yourself in the place of scientists in the 20-40s. What are they exploring? "Something" that, according to theoretical calculations, can very, very badly slam and kill everything living with various types of radiation. And if the theoretical calculations are erroneous and flumbles so that half the Earth is in ruins?
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              Well, firstly, not all 40th new processes are being considered and modeled on supercomputers, and even the energy itself will not appear from nowhere.
  14. spirit 24 March 2020 08: 09 New
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    This virus is so beneficial to America that they have already swelled up $ 1,5 trillion and lowered the rate to 0 in order to at least somehow keep the economy from recession. This is the benefit !!! For example, the mortality rate from bird flu was more than 30%, and virologists then just said that it’s good that it is not transmitted by air, but it can mutate to this state under certain conditions. So why create this frail coronavirus if you have at hand a virus that can mow half of China in a month? This situation is not beneficial to either side.
    1. Snail N9 24 March 2020 10: 04 New
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      The so-called "racial-national-selectivity" to modern virus developers is not particularly important (well, perhaps in order to exclude the infection of people of the ...... nation). The fact is that for the world behind the scenes, the world government no matter what race will be bent, garbage humanity is in every race and the task is to get rid of it. The rest will receive the antidote vaccine. Who will not have access to the antidote vaccine will die. That's all. A new world is being built, with new leverage and new values.
    2. Campanella 24 March 2020 17: 53 New
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      You know, and it happens, you want to punish someone, but raking yourself.))) Very often.
  15. askort154 24 March 2020 08: 31 New
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    At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "Warning mankind of danger."

    The Pentagon has created biological laboratories in 25 countries. On the Internet there is a map of their location. What immediately catches your eye, not a single laboratory is in the United States, EU, and NATO countries. The European part is only in Georgia and Ukraine. But the whole world is blind to this. Neither the media, nor Greenpeace, nor human rights defenders,
    nor the UN does not "notice."
    Only in 2018, Putin voiced this global problem, but this did not spread beyond Russia. Therefore now "humanity" Earth, reminiscent of a sheep flock that is driven to slaughter.
  16. regdan 24 March 2020 08: 34 New
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    There will be nothing for us ... They will chat all over the world and calm down ...
    1. Campanella 24 March 2020 17: 56 New
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      Of course there will be nothing. It is necessary to catch a hand with a test tube, or in extreme cases, someone inside must pass all this. But looking at Snowden and others, as I understand it, there are no people who want to go against the system.
  17. stels_07 24 March 2020 08: 59 New
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    Few people doubt that the virus is not man-made.
  18. Operator 24 March 2020 09: 31 New
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    COVID-19 is not a mutant, but a synthetic product from a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and an American laboratory in North Carolina. The results of the joint development were openly published in a scientific journal in 2015; a US patent was obtained for the virus genome.

    The party-state leadership of the PRC hid to the last the fact of a man-made disaster in the laboratory of Wuhan and the mass infection of residents of the metropolis, starting in November 2019. As a result, the virus was spread by Chinese tourists around the world.
    1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 10: 36 New
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      The party-state leadership of the PRC hid to the last the fact of a man-made disaster in the Wuhan laboratory

      Is there evidence of an accident? Or again, "infa 100%, on RENTV showed"?
      1. Operator 24 March 2020 12: 03 New
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        Are you implying that the Chinese / Americans have deliberately infected Chinese / US citizens with synthetic coronavirus?
        1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 12: 42 New
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          I hint that viruses themselves mutate. It is so in nature.
          The facts of natural mutations in bulk. The facts of technological accidents in laboratories are zero. Such statistics at the moment. And if the Chinese have something banged, then this is a sensation - here you need proof.
          1. Operator 24 March 2020 13: 03 New
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            COVID-19 researchers have confirmed that its genome coincides with the genome of the synthetic Sino-American coronavirus, patented in 2015.
            1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 13: 58 New
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              COVID-19 researchers have confirmed that its genome coincides with the genome of the synthetic Sino-American coronavirus, patented in 2015.

              This is great, but where is the evidence of a man-made accident in a laboratory in China?
              Well, the genome matches, what's next? The Tu-160 bomber matches the layout of the B-1 bomber, for example. The laws of physics are suddenly the same in the USA and in Russia. Therefore, I can equally assume that these are just scientists so well done - in 2015 they already modeled what would happen in 5 years, but no one heard them.
              And without evidence, conspiracy theology is again obtained. In the same way, Sverdlovsk-19 was unsubstantially accused of an outbreak of anthrax in 1979, although it has long been known that the infection went from a ceramic factory, where literally before the outbreak there was a delivery of meat from private owners from villages southeast of Yekaterinburg, and these villages also dead. Sverdlovsk-19 was simply near the focus of this outbreak.
            2. Vadim237 24 March 2020 14: 18 New
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              How - by article of 2015 determined?
              1. Operator 24 March 2020 14: 50 New
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                By patent, not article.
                1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 17: 22 New
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                  And did you have a patent for a new coronovirus in order to compare?
                  1. Operator 24 March 2020 17: 58 New
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                    The genome on paper is written as a sequence of RNA nucleotides. On the website of the US Patent Office you can find a patent of 2015, on the websites of biological laboratories in many countries the COVID-19 gene is laid out. You can verify the sequence of nucleotides yourself.
  19. Galleon 24 March 2020 09: 43 New
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    The author bases his correct reasoning on the article
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
    An article in the journal Nature, which indicates that practical research was conducted in the United States on the artificial modification of the Chinese bat coronavirus, due to which the coronavirus can be transmitted to humans without the need for incubation in an intermediate animal. The article indicates concerns that such experiments may be too dangerous.

    But then there is even more interesting

    2 August 5
    NY Times article on closure of US military biological lab due to “security risk”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html
    3 August 31
    An article in the NY Times on the development of a strange epidemic of unknown lung disease in the United States (at the time of publication, 215 were infected).
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/health/vaping-marijuana-ecigarettes-sickness.html
    4. September 11, 2019 (symbolic date)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html
    Unknown Pulmonary Disease already has 500 cases in more than 30 states in the USA. Reported deaths from the disease in five states, the age of the dead - from 30 years and older. Donald Trump, with the submission of the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), convenes a meeting on the subject of vape sales restrictions. Some states are introducing or are considering banning the sale of electronic cigarettes - there are no other reasons for the “unknown disease,” although the NY Times notes that even those who smoked nothing were sick.
    5. October 2019
    In the subsequently famous city of Wuhan, China hosts the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019). The American delegation includes 200 participants.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games
    6. 17 November 2019
    China, Wuhan - the first officially registered case of a virus infection, subsequently named Covid-19. Dating according to the South China Morning Post.
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

    Then you know ...
    1. Dmitry Bolotsky 24 March 2020 10: 22 New
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      It is very logical and it seems that this was all. In October, the spouse (working near the Krasnopresnenskaya metro station, Zoo, always full of Chinese) felt bad, fatigue, and sore throat. At night, she began a dry barking bronchial cough. Without losing time, I immediately made burnt sugar with butter, and as soon as she started coughing, I gave it. In the morning, chicken broth, since she wanted nothing more, hot milk with butter and Borjomi. There was no temperature. I had a week with burnt sugar. Five days later, I have the same symptoms. The treatment was repeated. In December, the granddaughter of the same. November-December, all of Moscow and the region was in this epidemic - kindergartens, schools, institutes, enterprises. The metro was torn from coughing. In January, everything began to decline. So, most likely, this epidemic just ended in our country, judging by the number of detected diseases. But in the past year, no one even thought to check the flu for some viruses. Just the flu, and what’s the complication of the lungs, pneumonia, is the flu often in neglected form[i] [/ i]! Now the subway is quiet and grace, no one blows his nose, sneezes or coughs. All health and tranquility!
      1. Snail N9 24 March 2020 11: 24 New
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        It’s cool that last year we had the same thing in the family — my daughter brought the infection called the “flu” from the university. Sick followed by his wife. Then I and other relatives. Everyone had the same symptom - fever, stuffy nose, then pains in the nose and throat, followed by a dry and suffocating cough. The doctor was called immediately to his daughter, he wrote "flu" and prescribed treatment. Naturally, then all the same. Two weeks later, everyone but his wife went to the hospital with pneumonia. She lay for two weeks. Nobody tested any of us on coronoviruses. She said that the department was simply clogged with patients with pneumonia. Nobody even heard about any “coronoviruses” there.
    2. Operator 24 March 2020 12: 10 New
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      In the second half of 2019, headquarters exercises of several federal ministries and departments for the protection of the population from biological weapons were held in the United States, following which the US Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were sent to President Trump reports on the level of readiness of medical institutions to combat the biological threat in content.

      In connection with the conflicting opinions of the two federal agencies, Trump refused to send a report on the exercises to the US Congress and to start funding recommended activities.
  20. Campanella 24 March 2020 10: 02 New
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    Those who finance such projects, who are engaged in their development, need to be put on the chain.
    These are geeks! After that, gentlemen will argue that capitalism is the most perfect form of development of society?
    The most perfect will be the one where hands will be torn off for such things.
    But seriously speaking, unfortunately we have to admit that man is such a contradictory creature in its various manifestations that it is incurable. And we are doomed to an eternal struggle with each other and with ourselves, for nature and God, if any, created us like that.
    And only the breeding of a new breed (communism) and total control over the base will enable humanity to go further along the road of knowledge.
    1. ender 24 March 2020 10: 15 New
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      forgot about infection with anthrax in 1979 in Sverdlovsk-19?
      1. Campanella 24 March 2020 10: 21 New
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        And that, both sides developed biological weapons, it was a cold war.
        I also repeat that the USSR proposed the option of the peaceful coexistence of 2 systems, what we have led to, we already know, the West did not stop.
      2. Alex_59 24 March 2020 10: 33 New
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        forgot about infection with anthrax in 1979 in Sverdlovsk-19?

        And where does the mass infection of the employees of the ceramic factory in Sverdlovsk with anthrax through its importation from private livestock farms?
  21. voyaka uh 24 March 2020 10: 51 New
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    There was a joint Sino-US project in Wuhan in 2015: a study of coronaviruses.
    Participants: Chinese Biological Institute and two American universities.
    The project is not military or secret. About him were publications in scientific journals.
    The artificial virus, which was then jointly developed, received an official
    catalog number.
    The virus that has spread is now different from the artificial one.
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      Help translate from English.
      NATURE | NEWSSharing
      PrintShare / bookmark
      Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
      Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.

      Editors' note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus

      https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
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        It is useless ... The link to the Nature editor will not convince anyone. Here and not
        have heard of such a scientific journal.
        Now, if Solovyov said! laughing
        1. Liam 24 March 2020 11: 26 New
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          I think the local comrades will soon find the Israeli secret laboratory .. but the picture is incomplete without this)
          1. voyaka uh 24 March 2020 11: 35 New
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            Already found, but what about? laughing
            It immediately appeared:
            "Why will Israel make the vaccine first? - because the virus itself was invented!"
      2. Snail N9 24 March 2020 11: 38 New
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        Help translate from English.

        And what, already a "Google translator" among the "banned sites"?
        Here is the translation from there:
        Editor's Note, March 2020. We know that this story is used as the basis for unverified theories about the creation of a new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that the animal is the most likely source of coronavirus
        https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

        And do not refer to the private opinion of "Nature" - this is the same as referring to the journal "World of Travel". There should be an official request, for example, from Russia to the Security Council and the UN to investigate the causes of this virus and the emergence of a pandemic, and through a joint multinational commission of specialists. Then, based on the results of this investigation, conclusions can and will be drawn, and so all these opinions of different individuals and magazines with experts are just "private opinions", not mandatory for perception ..
    2. Alex_59 24 March 2020 12: 49 New
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      The project is not military or secret. About him were publications in scientific journals.
      The artificial virus, which was then jointly developed, received an official
      catalog number.

      At least someone adequate on the air erupts.
  22. Operator 24 March 2020 14: 49 New
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    Tu-160 bomber matches the layout of the B-1 bomber

    Genome matching is like matching aircraft serial numbers laughing

    Once again: you claim that there was no accident in Wuhan / North Carolina, and that the evil Chinese / American government itself infected its citizens?
    1. Alex_59 24 March 2020 15: 01 New
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      Once again: you claim that there was no accident in Wuhan / North Carolina, and that the evil Chinese / American government itself infected its citizens?

      Once again: I affirm that the virus is the result of a natural mutation. And until I saw evidence of some kind of technological accident there. If I see, then maybe I will change my mind.
      Quote: Operator
      Genome matching is like matching aircraft serial numbers

      Well done scientists - they were able to understand exactly how the virus mutates in the future. We will rejoice for them.
  23. Kostadinov 24 March 2020 15: 51 New
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    Are biological weapons precisely developed by publishing articles in open magazines and warning of danger and leaving a five-year period to prepare? Is it definitely being done with absolutely zero selectivity between strangers and your own? It is precisely used without providing precautions for itself in advance?

    1. Five years after 2015, nothing was published in open magazines - it is surprisingly reminiscent of the creation of nuclear weapons when all the information in the magazines disappeared in 1940.
    2. It didn’t beat five years for preparation because a slightly different virus was created. Themselves claim that today's virus is slightly different.
    3. Selectivity is not necessary if prepared to protect against the virus. There is still selectivity - it kills mainly adult people, such as state leaders and economists.
    4. Provided precautionary measures - the United States has incomparably less victims than China, Iran and the EU. The first in the world to close the borders for the Chinese. They already have treatment - according to their president.
    5. Several dozens of American athletes could spread this virus very easily in Wuhan without any danger to themselves.
  24. Kostadinov 24 March 2020 16: 03 New
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    Quote: Liam
    There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.1878

    Naturally, there is no evidence and that no doctrine dares to say such a thing - they will condemn to death.
    Here we are not talking about evidence, but that it is quite possible and very likely (highly likly) as some say.
  25. Dikson 24 March 2020 21: 30 New
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    It's funny .. when I posted a link to this article of 2015 here on the website a couple of days ago, they immediately got a few minuses .. And now the material was posted with a discussion ... what interesting and important people rule the situation here ... here's another piece from a discussion of the details of the work of the state center where the ill-fated coronavirus was created .. (by the way, it’s quite officially patented and registered as artificially created in the same United States!) .. so, in 2015 ... we can see in the list of authors several chinese names. In particular, the lovely lady Shi Zheng-Li. All these years, she did not let up: in 2017, before and after, she continued to work in her not very protected laboratory on the problem: how to transfer bat coronavirus to a person?
    The logical result of this work: it was Shi Zheng-Li who, in the city of Wuhan, diagnosed the epidemic of a new coronavirus in December 2019 ... Somehow there are a lot of coincidences .. don’t you find?