The Western press wrote about the creation by virologists of the deadly coronavirus back in 2015

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The network is actively discussing media publications from 2015 on coronavirus. We are talking about material that was released in 2015 in a large scientific publication Nature, which also tells about the development of scientists in various fields.

Almost five years ago, this Western magazine informed its readers that American biologists created a new type of virus by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus, which was extracted from the respiratory organs of a bat. It is noteworthy that even then Nature reported that it was about bats that lived in China.



The scientific journal said that such a hybrid coronavirus, combining SARS and bats, can infect a person’s lungs, leading to death. And if it goes beyond the laboratory, it will begin to spread uncontrollably.

Once again - this publication came out in 2015!

At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "warning mankind about the danger."
From the material:

The mutant virus can take many lives.

It turns out that then few people paid attention to this publication. Also, the purpose for which Western virologists created this “Frankenstein” of the viral world was not indicated.

Today in Western publications, commenting on that publication, they write that the alleged hybrid coronavirus "is very little like COVID-19." True, no one in this situation talks about whether the virus synthesized by scientists could mutate precisely to the current state.

For reference: only yesterday in Russia coronavirus was diagnosed in 71 people. Thus, the number of infected in the Russian Federation reached 438 people. Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.
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  1. -21
    24 March 2020 06: 35
    Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.
    She herself is a virus!
    1. +1
      24 March 2020 06: 40
      Humanity is constantly in its desire for self-destruction ... laughing
      1. +7
        24 March 2020 07: 06
        However, in accordance with his fad insanity, laughing I emphasize that this can be expected from the Anglo-Saxons - they have long been obsessed with watching Hollywood horror stories about all sorts of zombie apocalypse and they have a certain thirst for the destruction of Asians and in general all people since the creation of the Opium Wars and the nuclear bomb!
        1. +11
          24 March 2020 07: 30
          For reference: only yesterday in Russia coronavirus was diagnosed in 71 people. Thus, the number of infected in the Russian Federation reached 438 people. Moscow remains the leader in the number of infections - 262 people.

          A good attempt by the author ... Well, then, for comparison, in the United States per day there are more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...
          1. +6
            24 March 2020 10: 30
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Well then, for comparison, in the United States per day more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...

            There is no doubt that mattresses are directly involved in this "prank" with the pandemic. I do not think that this was done intentionally, but .... Probably, allowing the "escape" of the virus from the laboratory, the Americans, in order to avoid responsibility, for some time hid this information from the population and the world community until they "successfully" imported its "brother" to China, after which, with a sigh of relief, the United States and Great Britain almost at the same time blamed the PRC in unison. If China is a hotbed, then why, with a population of one billion and a comparable territory, the virus has received much less territorial spread within China than in the same United States, where almost all states are affected by the virus?
          2. +2
            24 March 2020 15: 55
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            A good attempt by the author ... Well, then, for comparison, in the United States per day there are more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back ...

            =======
            It just so happens that an enraged dog (nothing bad about our four-legged friends!) Rushes to the "owner"!
          3. 0
            24 March 2020 17: 22
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Well, then, for comparison, in the United States per day there are more than 10 thousand detected infected, and more than 43 thousand in total. If this was the "creation" of American scientists, then the boomerang is back.
            God - marks the huck !! (or how they say tramps, - "God is not a fraer, he sees everything !!") wink

            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Probably, allowing the "escape" of the virus from the laboratory, the Americans, in order to avoid responsibility, for some time hid this information from the population and the world community until they "successfully" imported its "brother" into China, after which, with a sigh of relief, the United States and Great Britain practically at one point and in unison accused the PRC. If China is a hotbed, then why, with a population of one billion and a comparable territory, has the virus received a much smaller territorial spread within China than in the same United States, where almost all states are affected by the virus?
            again, Slavic wisdom says - "what measure you measure, this is measured to you too !!!" Yes for the watchful (according to the laws of nature) were our ancestors ... Yes
            Quote: aleks_29296
            I immediately vanged that it was a biological weapon that had escaped to freedom, and bats were out of place here.
            well of course the world is not without prophets lol
            Quote: rotmistr60
            If a week ago statements that the virus was man-made were perceived exclusively as a conspiracy theory, today only the Anglo-Saxons in unison claim that it is natural and, moreover, according to Trump, "Chinese", and most of them began to think about where and who is to blame.
            do you think they anticipate the possibility of an adequate "response" from China ?! feel or experience light not dexterity belay ?!
            Quote: Den717
            In any case, the UN must express its claims to the United States directly and in person on behalf of the world community.
            in theory, yes. But the UN, in this case, will allow itself to not notice anything. request after all it's the USA rather than imaginary chemical attack by civilians Assad or Hussein ...?! winked there is a difference in the reference point and the coordinate axis ... hi
            Quote: askort154
            At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "warning mankind about the danger."

            The Pentagon has established biological laboratories in 25 countries around the world. There is a map of their location on the Internet. What is immediately striking is that there is not a single laboratory on the territory of the USA, EU, and NATO countries. The European part is only in Georgia and Ukraine. But the whole world is blind to this. Neither the media, nor Greenpeace, nor human rights activists,
            nor the UN "notices" this.
            here. everything as you see is logical ...
        2. +1
          24 March 2020 18: 07
          This is a snowball! The apotheosis of democracy, pluralism and tolerance.
      2. +3
        24 March 2020 08: 00
        Quote: Finches
        Humanity is constantly in its desire for self-destruction

        Not all of its part. But a fly in the ointment spoils all the honey.
    2. +10
      24 March 2020 07: 39
      She herself is a virus!

      So stay away from her.
      1. +7
        24 March 2020 09: 31
        Quote: Voyager
        She herself is a virus!

        So stay away from her.

        A joke in the subject.
        In connection with the coronovirus, Moscow closed the border with Russia.
      2. 0
        24 March 2020 10: 07
        Quote: Voyager
        away.

        So far away! Then only Kamchatka ...
    3. 0
      24 March 2020 09: 51
      Inappropriate statement.
    4. -5
      24 March 2020 10: 08
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      She herself

      I'm talking about fish rotting from the head! Really incomprehensible!
      1. -1
        24 March 2020 18: 31
        Fish rots from the intestines, is it worth talking with aphorisms?
    5. +1
      24 March 2020 10: 24
      By the number of your cons, you can calculate the presence of Muscovites on the site))
      1. +1
        24 March 2020 10: 33
        Quote: Slavs
        the presence of Muscovites

        And not only ! There are those who firmly believe in the infallibility of the current government.
  2. 0
    24 March 2020 06: 42
    Even a fool understands that this virus is a man-made product that has arisen from nowhere, and will disappear nowhere.
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 07: 03
      Sooner or later, man-made viruses had to break out of the laboratories. But they still have a lot of deadly strains that can also go free and make an apocalypse. negative
      1. +2
        24 March 2020 07: 12
        Based on the experience with this "coronavirus", the next one could be fatal for everyone.
        1. +8
          24 March 2020 07: 55
          Based on what you said, colleague Aerodromny.
          The leadership of the PRC at first swayed - there are few viral outbreaks in the world! Moreover, in China in the face of a huge crowd of people. And then, suddenly, for inexplicable reasons, China acted as if a bacteriological war had been declared on it. So there was a certain circumstance that is not visible to us from here - one that forced the Chinese to think that way, taking into account economic differences with the United States.
          Or the Chinese leadership, taking advantage of the situation, taking into account the special danger of the virus (a long incubation period) and the possibility of bacteriological warfare, decided to conduct exercises, waving a hand at the economy. What is the economy if the country is depopulated. And also taking into account the fact that viruses have been developed and patented for a long time. Like antidotes to them.
          Based on what I said. Given the impossibility of using nuclear weapons, mankind has entered a stage of a new type of war — far more dangerous than the stage of using conventional types of weapons. At the previous stage, the enemy was detected visually or by radar. And it was possible to negotiate through diplomatic means, to bargain, to exhort, or to give an answer. The virus is invisible. Aggressor unknown. It is impossible to agree.
          Therefore, we are in a new stage in the arms race in the form of medicines and advanced medical technologies. We would like our government to realize as soon as possible the particular danger of the situation and to invest enough funds in disaster medicine. And the fact that coronavirus is a disaster is undoubted for me.
          1. +1
            24 March 2020 18: 12
            About the antidote. The Americans wanted to buy the development of the Germans against the coronovirus. This may indicate that there is an antidote for the elite and they do not want others to have it. Or the virus was accidentally released, which I have little faith in.
    2. +2
      24 March 2020 07: 48
      I immediately vanged that it was a biological weapon that had escaped to freedom, and bats were out of place here.
      1. +3
        24 March 2020 08: 49
        Yesterday on the Zvezda channel I watched a program about coronavirus, where a biological weapons specialist directly stated that experts all over the world know for sure that COVID-19 is an artificial product that came out of the laboratory, the so-called "chimera", consisting of parts of volatile viruses mice, snakes and something taken from AIDS. It also called a strange situation that all experts unequivocally say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and that it was accidentally transferred to humans. Why are they so stubborn?
        1. +2
          24 March 2020 09: 42
          Quote: Snail N9
          It also called a strange situation that all experts unequivocally say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and the type accidentally switched to humans. Why are they so stubborn?

          Because the whole world elite feels its kinship. They are all for one.
        2. +1
          24 March 2020 09: 46
          Quote: Snail N9
          It also called a strange situation that all experts unequivocally say that the virus is artificial, and politicians insist that the virus is natural and the type accidentally switched to humans. Why are they so stubborn?

          In my opinion, it is just the virologists who insist on its natural origin - they say that a person cannot create more complicated and dangerous than nature.
        3. +3
          24 March 2020 10: 34
          Because, dear Snail, that recognizing the man-madeness of the virus, politicians will have to retaliate. For a long time, the number of American bio-laboratories around the world is not a secret (at the moment another one is being completed in Kazakhstan). A sale policy of imperialism laughing
      2. 0
        24 March 2020 10: 26
        Quote: aleks_29296
        break free

        Released ...
  3. +8
    24 March 2020 06: 42
    If a week ago statements that the virus was man-made were perceived exclusively as a conspiracy theory, today only the Anglo-Saxons in unison claim that it is natural and, moreover, according to Trump, "Chinese", and most of them began to think about where and who is to blame.
  4. +4
    24 March 2020 06: 50
    Meanwhile, today in Western publications, commenting on that publication, they write that the alleged hybrid coronavirus "is very little like COVID-19."


    In general - no one knows nichrome, except those who are supposed to know. And to these arguments of Internet connoisseurs, the price is half a penny on a market day.
  5. Ren
    +4
    24 March 2020 06: 52
    I will quote myself from an early one (I started trying about this article in Nature back in February for various resources) winked :
    This virus with a high degree of probability (highly likely) was created by Americans in 2014 - a link to a publication in the scientific journal NATURE: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

    hi
    1. Ren
      +2
      24 March 2020 07: 07
      In addition, judging by the COVID-19 genome (nee SARS-CoV-2, 2019-nCoV)
      UCSC Genome Browser Link:
      https://genome.ucsc.edu/cgi-bin/hgTracks?db=wuhCor1
      It is fully consistent with the definition.
      by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus

      Additionally, you can read the news from 2015:
      https://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/13/virus/
      hi
  6. +1
    24 March 2020 06: 57
    Right now, I would use a suitable excuse - to declare the American "plague" laboratories around the perimeter of the Russian Federation as a threat to all mankind, and to us specifically, and demand that they be removed within 24 hours or (at least) at the same time allow a verification inspection. Otherwise, a big thermobaric broads are the "daddy of all bombs" for each object. The world will support us (I hope not somewhere deep in my soul)
    1. +4
      24 March 2020 07: 03
      Quote: mark1
      Otherwise, a big thermobaric broads are the "daddy of all bombs" for each object. The world will support us (I hope not somewhere deep in my soul)

      A bomb on plague laboratories? With such a proposal, you should hardly count on support from the "whole world". It's like fighting the stench and germs from the toilet with a grenade thrown in there ...
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 07: 05
        You probably have a poor idea of ​​what a "vacuum" bomb is, otherwise they would not have said that.
        1. +5
          24 March 2020 07: 08
          Quote: mark1
          "plague" laboratories along the perimeter of the Russian Federation

          No, I just perfectly imagine what it means to "bang out vacuum bombs" along the perimeter of the Russian Federation. But you seem to have a really bad idea of ​​both what it threatens us with and what a synthesized virus is.

          By the way, I agree with you about inspections. But with the "vacuum bombs" you obviously went too far ...
          1. -1
            24 March 2020 07: 17
            Do you know a way to kill a virus better than thermal or do you think that a synthesized virus is not afraid of it?
      2. +7
        24 March 2020 07: 16
        Quote: Volodin
        A bomb on plague laboratories? With such a proposal, you should hardly count on support from the "whole world".

        The elimination of laboratories should be done with all precautions so that not a single tube breaks, no cockroach escapes. The bomb proposal is a step toward suicide.
        1. -6
          24 March 2020 07: 48
          Quote: Den717
          so that not a single tube breaks, no cockroach escapes

          And then you throw all this into the oven ... What's wrong?
          Damage radius (thermal) 300m, can be duplicated
          1. +2
            24 March 2020 08: 16
            Quote: mark1
            Damage radius (thermal) 300m, can be duplicated

            We still cannot manage explosive processes and guarantee 100% elimination of microorganisms and bacteria. Moreover, it is unlikely that we will be provided with information about what is being developed in the laboratory at the time of making a decision. Note that when the bomb exploded over Hiroshima, not all of the uranium worked out, most of it was sprayed over the point of explosion. So it’s better to overlook.
            Quote: mark1
            And then you throw all this into the oven ...

            But in the "oven" can be destroyed with a guarantee. There are many ways how to deal with hazardous medical waste from similar laboratories. Despite the fact that this is not easy to "throw in the oven", there are a lot of nuances ...
            1. -2
              24 March 2020 08: 26
              Quote: Den717
              bomb explosion over Hiroshima not all uranium fired

              And what does it have to do with it? !!!
              Or we don’t understand each other, or you are clever for the sake of the process.
              1. +1
                24 March 2020 08: 55
                Quote: mark1
                And what does it have to do with it? !!!

                This is about the uncontrolled processes in the explosion. But if you really want to, you can bang. What am I trying to persuade you? request
                1. +1
                  24 March 2020 09: 01
                  I do not want to bang, I want to force the Americans to remove the plague laboratories along the perimeter of Russia. How can you do it differently than the threat of destruction? Extreme concern and confusion? My method is the most "pure" and impressive on the psyche of the governments and peoples of the host countries - do not take them by storm!
                  1. -1
                    24 March 2020 09: 11
                    Quote: mark1
                    I want to get the Americans to clean the plague labs

                    It’s impossible without war. You understand very well ....
                    1. -1
                      24 March 2020 12: 48
                      Katz offers to surrender?
                      There will be no war - there will be a terrible howl.
                      1. +1
                        24 March 2020 13: 47
                        Quote: mark1
                        I want to make the Americans ...... Katz offers to give up?
                        There will be no war - there will be a terrible howl.

                        I would like to ask by what means do you want to "force the Americans"? What do you have for this? Pshik ... Iskander-Caliber-Poseidon? This is for the war. And for political pressure? Let's put aside unrealizable dreams and wanderings in the dark. What has been applied to them in recent years for, at least, the return of property in the United States? To overcome the sanctions on the SP-2? Now be aware that in the light of our capabilities, the phrase "force the Americans" is not worth a dime.
        2. 0
          24 March 2020 09: 18
          It’s not for nothing that the volume-detonating ammunition in our army has chemical protection, bumblebees, tos, knapsack flamethrowers (in warehouses) ... But with test tubes with liquid, you need to think about it, you may not have time to heat up during the explosion, and the pressure may not be enough . The sprayed ones are neutralized, this is a fact, but the containers?
    2. -2
      24 March 2020 07: 59
      Quote: mark1
      Otherwise, a big thermobaric broads are the "daddy of all bombs" for each object.
      You can still burn scientists at the stake, because it is they, the demoniac, who cast the evil eye and damage. Especially when they know what they are talking about, and their forecasts are justified with amazing accuracy.
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 08: 03
        Good morning! Wash, have a good breakfast, otherwise you are awake in a basin, sorry, bubbled.
        1. 0
          24 March 2020 08: 09
          Not everyone is pleased when his appeals so accurately fit into sad historical analogies, I understand.
          1. -1
            24 March 2020 08: 21
            Either you did not heed my advice and did not cheer up from sleep, or you are an employee of one of these plague scarabs, I’m afraid to even speculate about the third.
            1. +1
              24 March 2020 08: 24
              Quote: mark1
              worker of one of these plague rams
              The extremely non-obsessive attitude towards epidemiologists and virologists is immediately apparent. laughing Take the pitchfork already, make a fire. wink
              1. 0
                24 March 2020 08: 27
                Yeah! went for matches ... smile
  7. +5
    24 March 2020 07: 07
    When creating such war viruses, a neutralizer is created in the first place. Therefore, if this virus is of artificial origin, then someone, in the near future, will be fabulously enriched. Today, Donald Trump said that this week the Americans will be offered effective medicine from this infection. Open sources, friends ...
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 10: 03
      Also, and maybe even better, the "effective medicine" has been on sale in the pharmacy opposite my house for a week. laughing
  8. +5
    24 March 2020 07: 08
    virologists .. it is necessary to put to the wall for such an invention! and especially companies that continue to invent such rubbish!
  9. +6
    24 March 2020 07: 13
    Almost five years ago, this Western magazine informed its readers that American biologists created a new type of virus by combining the SHC014 protein with the SARS virus, which was extracted from the respiratory organs of a bat.

    Considering that the United States from 2001 to the present day continues to block attempts to resume work on a legally binding protocol to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BTWC), it is highly likely that the ongoing pandemic is the work of their hands. And if the infection can be partly attributed to a random accident, then their refusal to transfer materials on the development of this virus into the hands of international organizations in order to develop methods of fighting the infection can be assessed as a crime against humanity. And the US president must directly and personally bear all legal responsibility for the consequences of the actions of his state. In any case, the UN must express its claims to the United States directly and in person on behalf of the world community.
  10. +1
    24 March 2020 07: 15
    There will be, a shish kebab, a shashlik of us all .... if experimenters in white coats don’t get comfortable, with or without uniform, it doesn’t matter.
    1. +1
      24 March 2020 10: 12
      And they will not calm down, and it isn’t itching for the experimenters ... to cross everything and everything. This is paid for by influential uncles who rule the world, while remaining children with their own complexes.
      1. +1
        24 March 2020 10: 28
        Wealthy uncles, with childish Wishlist ... it's dangerous. It was necessary in childhood - the brains of youth to rule ..... could not.
        1. 0
          24 March 2020 12: 51
          Unfortunately, it is precisely these "extravagant" ones who mostly come to power. People are bored to choose neither fish nor meat, give them creativity, brighter, so that the scrotum is against the paving stones ...
          1. 0
            24 March 2020 13: 04
            There were all kinds of authorities ... even the dehmocratic routes elected their Fuhrer.
            1. +1
              24 March 2020 13: 06
              Here I am about it.)))
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    1. -2
      24 March 2020 09: 02
      I am silent for Georgia and the Baltic states. But where is the American laboratory in Ukraine? It’s not Kazakhstan, what the hell are you hiding from magazines even for money.
  12. +2
    24 March 2020 07: 26
    Avian influenza, swine flu, mouse flu ... All this is created by man. Conclusion: in order to protect humanity from extinction, it is necessary to eliminate the sources of danger. The UN resolution on criminalizing the creation of biological weapons will be the starting point in the fight against this scourge. hi
    1. -1
      24 March 2020 08: 22
      All this is created by man.
      ...
      Peremptory approval. The world is so arranged, claims to God. Too large a population of people increases the likelihood of contact with natural genomes and the emergence of "new" diseases.
      However, the common people are the last to find out the truth, and the unprecedented measures of all countries on security and the fight against the epidemic are alarming.
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 13: 14
        Easy, drop everything on the device of the world. Then you need to review a bunch of postulates that determine the life of a person, relax and surrender to the will of the Almighty. And the most important thing is a person who encroached on the established world order dooms people to suffering.
    2. -1
      24 March 2020 14: 02
      And all this strangely flares up in China, considering their kitchen features with the same mouse rat snakes and all the creeping crap out of four that the Chinese don’t eat chairs, tables and stools from biological laboratories with viruses, you can’t take the virus out as the whole staff is completely protective suits are under constant video surveillance and the strain samples themselves are stored in special containers at the outlet for sanitation with ultraviolet lamps and other equipment; everything does not mean that this new virus is of natural origin in conjunction with human consumption of everything that does not get into unsanitary conditions and that it infects everyone specially - that would money to lose yourself and your loved ones infect it must be a complete moron - such in special laboratories do not work.
  13. -4
    24 March 2020 07: 30
    I read both articles referenced in similar notes. The first refers to the search work of scientists to model possible mutations of the 2003 SARS virus. The work is more than justified - that's why they are scientists to predict the possible development of events and prepare to fend off new threats. I think that this is their direct responsibility, they are paid money for it, and most likely scientists in the whole world are engaged in such work, and not just in the USA or China.
    The second article says that some scientists consider such work too risky, and some, on the contrary, are necessary. It is reported that in the US, these experiments were banned, although the current work was completed after the ban.
    In any case, there is no connection between the current outbreak of COVID viruses and those works in 2015. Yes, similar scientific work was carried out, but a similar virus was created. But it does not follow from this that the modern epidemic is the consequences of those scientific works.
    1. +2
      24 March 2020 07: 56
      Moreover, studies have shown that the outbreak that is occurring now is a real threat - the threat came true five years later, and different people began to blame those who warned for it, because smart ones hurt, is that suspicious? This is called "obscurantism".
      1. -1
        24 March 2020 08: 33
        Quote: military_cat
        This is called "obscurantism."

        REN-TVism is this. laughing
        And I want to draw attention to the fact that there is no proven logical link between the work on SARS in 2015 and COVID.
        Well, that is, somewhere in someone’s box lies a gun. At that time, someone was killed in another place from the same model of a pistol. Is it possible to consider the murderer of the one who holds the same gun in a box?
        Another similar example is Skripal's poisoning. Once, somewhere, the Russians developed a rookie line-up. A couple of decades later, in another country, someone killed a man named Skripal, with a substance with a similar formula. Why does it have to be Russians? Just because they were the first to develop this formula? Delirium is shorter ...
        1. 0
          24 March 2020 08: 49
          Well, if you already remembered ...

          If someone showed materials on which two tourists from the USA come to Wuhan for a couple of days, go to the house of the US traitor (who will be the first infected), go to see local sights, moving away from the sights, and so for two days in a row, they don’t look at anything else, they immediately fly back to the USA, along the route they find a container with traces of the virus - I would agree that the version of the biological attack is extremely plausible.
          1. -1
            24 March 2020 14: 10
            What kind of tourists from the USA do you find from the beginning such sheep that agree to carry biological weapons around the world and do not drag the container with these weapons across the border, it should be iron and not small in size in order to avoid damage to the capsules themselves during transportation and in order to use it, these guys should have biological defense suits.
            1. +1
              24 March 2020 15: 00
              Quote: Vadim237
              What kind of tourists from the USA do you find from the beginning such sheep that agree to carry biological weapons around the world and do not drag the container with these weapons across the border, it should be iron and not small in size in order to avoid damage to the capsules themselves during transportation and in order to use it, these guys should have biological defense suits.

              The US Consulate is in Wuhan. No one canceled the diplomatic mail, and as you know, it is not subject to verification, so sending a small container with a virus filling is not a problem from a word at all. The mattresses were one of the first to urgently evacuate all their "consultants" and some "selected" civilians from Wuhan, which further fueled panic and some specific interest. It is not for nothing that China has a number of questions to the United States, to which they to this day, having gone completely unconscious, have not answered anything intelligible, designating China as the primary source of the epidemic.
              1. -1
                24 March 2020 17: 16
                Well, yes, they sent biological consuls to the consulate, consuls put on overalls, chemical protection opened the container, took the material into the car and went to infect the Chinese on the market with conversations now we’ll infect them later - they infected the whole world, tens of thousands in the USA and the consuls’s family, arranged the biggest collapse of the American market and drove the US economy into recession - god level plan for cretinism. Read less advice to you about any jaundice and turn your head on more often.
                1. +1
                  24 March 2020 18: 55
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  infected the whole world, tens of thousands in the USA and the family of consuls themselves, staged the biggest collapse of the American market and drove the US economy into recession

                  Why do you think that the mess with the collapse of the global economy is not beneficial to the United States? The collapse of the existing financial system will contribute to the elimination of the debt burden, because the total debt, which actually cannot be repaid, is several times higher than world GDP. This is better than fixing the problem through war, which may be the last in the history of mankind.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Read less advice to you about any jaundice and turn your head on more often.
                  Mutually hi
            2. +1
              24 March 2020 15: 37
              Quote: Vadim237
              What for tourists from the USA
              You somehow strangely argue with my hypothetical thought experiment - as if I had somehow asserted that it was a real fact.
        2. 0
          24 March 2020 09: 13
          Quote: Alex_59
          REN-TVism is this.
          And I want to draw attention to the fact that there is no proven logical link between the work on SARS in 2015 and COVID.

          I agree with you. Now they’re dragging Wang’s ears off - like she’d predicted all this wassat Moreover, it is not a fact that there are still, in such articles over so many years, many more possible scenarios of a different apocalypse are not yet described. Just guessed with one
    2. +4
      24 March 2020 07: 57
      If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then this is probably a duck.
      1. -3
        24 March 2020 08: 17
        Are biological weapons precisely developed by publishing articles in open magazines and warning of danger and leaving a five-year period to prepare? Is it definitely being done with absolutely zero selectivity between strangers and your own? It is precisely used without providing precautions for itself in advance?

        It doesn't "look like a duck". It looks like a crow being written into ducks while inventing a bunch of props and crutches to explain why it doesn't look like a duck or quack like a duck.
      2. +1
        24 March 2020 08: 29
        Quote: g1washntwn
        If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then this is probably a duck.
        The laws of physics, they are equally valid both in the laboratory in 2015 and in the Chinese cave with bats in 2019. So the duck is really a duck.
    3. 0
      24 March 2020 10: 08
      Modeling mutations - do not you think this formulation is strange? Running ahead of a steam locomotive is extremely unreasonable, just like cutting bitches ...
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 10: 27
        Quote: Campanella
        Modeling mutations - do not you think this formulation is strange? Running ahead of the engine is not logical, it’s the same as cutting bitches ..

        I am not familiar with the technology of scientific medicine, but with technical science it is. So all the advanced developments that have now become the norm of life are obtained by running ahead of the engine. Starting from the Internet, and ending with nuclear weapons. Moreover, I would put the study of nuclear fusion on a par with the degree of danger to humanity, along with the study of possible pathways for the development of viruses.
        1. 0
          24 March 2020 12: 47
          I am not inclined to broad generalizations. Many of our developments (Soviet) were obtained in parallel with the main tasks, people were interested. In this case, it is unclear why create a new virus? A bunch of old ones exist, plus explore mutations, I don’t want to. So in my opinion this is an order.
          1. 0
            24 March 2020 13: 51
            Quote: Campanella
            So in my opinion this is an order.

            So who is the order for? Who is the beneficiary? All are dying the same for now. Both Americans and Chinese.
            Quote: Campanella
            In this case, it is unclear why create a new virus?

            It is very clear, in my understanding. Modeling of virus mutation paths allows:
            a) understand what new viruses may arise
            b) understanding how these viruses can act, how dangerous they are, how tenacious
            c) understand how to deal with these viruses in advance before they appear.
            In the same way, army headquarters are obliged in peacetime to create and work out the wildest scenarios of potential future wars in order to understand how to act, what scenarios and threats can be. Therefore, the presence of a plan, for example, of Washington’s nuclear bombing at the General Staff of the Russian Federation, does not at all indicate intentions to deliver such a strike.
            1. 0
              24 March 2020 17: 45
              All "good" things are done by order of the US Department of State or the US Department of Defense. They do not stop the war and frantically fight for their world leadership. Everything is clear here.
              And in my opinion, everything can be perfectly studied on the old virus.
              And the fact that new viruses can arise is clear to the child, and that let’s artificially produce them? It sounds like a go-ahead.
        2. 0
          24 March 2020 14: 17
          Why is nuclear fusion dangerous for humanity?
          1. 0
            24 March 2020 14: 39
            Quote: Vadim237
            Why is nuclear fusion dangerous for humanity?

            Now you know how dangerous he is, and if he fucks, it won't be worse than in Chernobyl - unpleasant, but tolerable. And you put yourself in the shoes of scientists in the 20s and 40s. What are they researching? "Something" that, according to theoretical calculations, can very, very strongly bang and kill all living things with various types of radiation. And what if the theoretical calculations are erroneous and bang so that half the Earth is in dust?
            1. 0
              24 March 2020 17: 18
              Well, firstly, not all 40th new processes are being considered and modeled on supercomputers, and even the energy itself will not appear from nowhere.
  14. +1
    24 March 2020 08: 09
    This virus is so beneficial to America that they have already swelled up $ 1,5 trillion and lowered the rate to 0 in order to at least somehow keep the economy from recession. This is the benefit !!! For example, the mortality rate from bird flu was more than 30%, and virologists then just said that it’s good that it is not transmitted by air, but it can mutate to this state under certain conditions. So why create this frail coronavirus if you have at hand a virus that can mow half of China in a month? This situation is not beneficial to either side.
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 10: 04
      The so-called "racial-national-selectivity" is not particularly important for modern virus developers (well, perhaps in order to exclude infection of the persons of the ... th nation). The fact is that for the world behind the scenes, the world government, no matter what race will bend, there is a garbage humanity in every race and the task is to get rid of it. The rest of the elect will receive an antidote vaccine. Those who don't have access to a vaccine antidote will die. That's all. A new world is being built, with new levers of governance and new values.
    2. 0
      24 March 2020 17: 53
      You know, and it happens, you want to punish someone, but raking yourself.))) Very often.
  15. +2
    24 March 2020 08: 31
    At the same time, Nature wrote that the authors of the study described their work in detail, "Warning mankind of danger."

    The Pentagon has established biological laboratories in 25 countries around the world. There is a map of their location on the Internet. What is immediately striking is that there is not a single laboratory on the territory of the USA, EU, and NATO countries. The European part is only in Georgia and Ukraine. But the whole world is blind to this. Neither the media, nor Greenpeace, nor human rights activists,
    nor the UN "notices" this.
    Only in 2018, Putin voiced this global problem, but this did not spread beyond Russia. Therefore now "humanity" Earth, reminiscent of a sheep flock that is driven to slaughter.
  16. +1
    24 March 2020 08: 34
    There will be nothing for us ... They will chat all over the world and calm down ...
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 17: 56
      Of course there will be nothing. It is necessary to catch a hand with a test tube, or in extreme cases, someone inside must pass all this. But looking at Snowden and others, as I understand it, there are no people who want to go against the system.
  17. +2
    24 March 2020 08: 59
    Few people doubt that the virus is not man-made.
  18. -3
    24 March 2020 09: 31
    COVID-19 is not a mutant, but a synthetic product from a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and an American laboratory in North Carolina. The results of the joint development were openly published in a scientific journal in 2015; a US patent was obtained for the virus genome.

    The party-state leadership of the PRC hid to the last the fact of a man-made disaster in the laboratory of Wuhan and the mass infection of residents of the metropolis, starting in November 2019. As a result, the virus was spread by Chinese tourists around the world.
    1. -1
      24 March 2020 10: 36
      Quote: Operator
      The party-state leadership of the PRC hid to the last the fact of a man-made disaster in the Wuhan laboratory

      Is there any proof of the accident? Or again "infa 100%, according to RENTV showed"?
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 12: 03
        Are you implying that the Chinese / Americans have deliberately infected Chinese / US citizens with synthetic coronavirus?
        1. +1
          24 March 2020 12: 42
          I hint that viruses themselves mutate. It is so in nature.
          The facts of natural mutations in bulk. The facts of technological accidents in laboratories are zero. Such statistics at the moment. And if the Chinese have something banged, then this is a sensation - here you need proof.
          1. -2
            24 March 2020 13: 03
            COVID-19 researchers have confirmed that its genome coincides with the genome of the synthetic Sino-American coronavirus, patented in 2015.
            1. +1
              24 March 2020 13: 58
              Quote: Operator
              COVID-19 researchers have confirmed that its genome coincides with the genome of the synthetic Sino-American coronavirus, patented in 2015.

              This is great, but where is the evidence of a man-made accident in a laboratory in China?
              Well, the genome matches, what's next? The Tu-160 bomber matches the layout of the B-1 bomber, for example. The laws of physics are suddenly the same in the USA and in Russia. Therefore, I can equally assume that these are just scientists so well done - in 2015 they already modeled what would happen in 5 years, but no one heard them.
              And without evidence, conspiracy theology is again obtained. In the same way, Sverdlovsk-19 was unsubstantially accused of an outbreak of anthrax in 1979, although it has long been known that the infection went from a ceramic factory, where literally before the outbreak there was a delivery of meat from private owners from villages southeast of Yekaterinburg, and these villages also dead. Sverdlovsk-19 was simply near the focus of this outbreak.
            2. 0
              24 March 2020 14: 18
              How - by article of 2015 determined?
              1. 0
                24 March 2020 14: 50
                By patent, not article.
                1. -1
                  24 March 2020 17: 22
                  And did you have a patent for a new coronovirus in order to compare?
                  1. +1
                    24 March 2020 17: 58
                    The genome on paper is written as a sequence of RNA nucleotides. On the website of the US Patent Office you can find a patent of 2015, on the websites of biological laboratories in many countries the COVID-19 gene is laid out. You can verify the sequence of nucleotides yourself.
  19. +8
    24 March 2020 09: 43
    The author bases his correct reasoning on the article
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
    An article in the journal Nature, which indicates that practical research was conducted in the United States on the artificial modification of the Chinese bat coronavirus, due to which the coronavirus can be transmitted to humans without the need for incubation in an intermediate animal. The article indicates concerns that such experiments may be too dangerous.

    But then there is even more interesting

    2 August 5
    NY Times article on closure of US military biological lab due to “security risk”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html
    3 August 31
    An article in the NY Times on the development of a strange epidemic of unknown lung disease in the United States (at the time of publication, 215 were infected).
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/health/vaping-marijuana-ecigarettes-sickness.html
    4. September 11, 2019 (symbolic date)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html
    Unknown Pulmonary Disease already has 500 cases in more than 30 states in the USA. Reported deaths from the disease in five states, the age of the dead - from 30 years and older. Donald Trump, with the submission of the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), convenes a meeting on the subject of vape sales restrictions. Some states are introducing or are considering banning the sale of electronic cigarettes - there are no other reasons for the “unknown disease,” although the NY Times notes that even those who smoked nothing were sick.
    5. October 2019
    In the subsequently famous city of Wuhan, China hosts the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019). The American delegation includes 200 participants.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games
    6. 17 November 2019
    China, Wuhan - the first officially registered case of a virus infection, subsequently named Covid-19. Dating according to the South China Morning Post.
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

    Then you know ...
    1. +1
      24 March 2020 10: 22
      It is very logical and it seems that this was all. In October, the spouse (working near the Krasnopresnenskaya metro station, Zoo, always full of Chinese) felt bad, fatigue, and sore throat. At night, she began a dry barking bronchial cough. Without losing time, I immediately made burnt sugar with butter, and as soon as she started coughing, I gave it. In the morning, chicken broth, since she wanted nothing more, hot milk with butter and Borjomi. There was no temperature. I had a week with burnt sugar. Five days later, I have the same symptoms. The treatment was repeated. In December, the granddaughter of the same. November-December, all of Moscow and the region was in this epidemic - kindergartens, schools, institutes, enterprises. The metro was torn from coughing. In January, everything began to decline. So, most likely, this epidemic just ended in our country, judging by the number of detected diseases. But in the past year, no one even thought to check the flu for some viruses. Just the flu, and what’s the complication of the lungs, pneumonia, is the flu often in neglected form[i] [/ i]! Now the subway is quiet and grace, no one blows his nose, sneezes or coughs. All health and tranquility!
      1. +2
        24 March 2020 11: 24
        It's funny that last year we had the same thing in the family - my daughter brought the infection called "flu" from the university. His wife fell ill next. Then I and other relatives. All had the same symptom - fever, stuffy nose, then pains in the nose and throat, followed by a dry and choking cough. The doctor was immediately summoned to my daughter, who wrote "flu" and prescribed treatment. Naturally, everyone is then the same. Two weeks later, everyone except his wife ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. Lay there for two weeks. Nobody tested her for any coronavirus. She said that the department was simply packed with patients with pneumonia. Nobody then even heard of any "coronaviruses".
    2. -1
      24 March 2020 12: 10
      In the second half of 2019, headquarters exercises of several federal ministries and departments for the protection of the population from biological weapons were held in the United States, following which the US Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were sent to President Trump reports on the level of readiness of medical institutions to combat the biological threat in content.

      In connection with the conflicting opinions of the two federal agencies, Trump refused to send a report on the exercises to the US Congress and to start funding recommended activities.
  20. 0
    24 March 2020 10: 02
    Those who finance such projects, who are engaged in their development, need to be put on the chain.
    These are geeks! After that, gentlemen will argue that capitalism is the most perfect form of development of society?
    The most perfect will be the one where hands will be torn off for such things.
    But seriously speaking, unfortunately we have to admit that man is such a contradictory creature in its various manifestations that it is incurable. And we are doomed to an eternal struggle with each other and with ourselves, for nature and God, if any, created us like that.
    And only the breeding of a new breed (communism) and total control over the base will enable humanity to go further along the road of knowledge.
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 10: 15
      forgot about infection with anthrax in 1979 in Sverdlovsk-19?
      1. -1
        24 March 2020 10: 21
        And that, both sides developed biological weapons, it was a cold war.
        I also repeat that the USSR proposed the option of the peaceful coexistence of 2 systems, what we have led to, we already know, the West did not stop.
      2. 0
        24 March 2020 10: 33
        Quote: ender
        forgot about infection with anthrax in 1979 in Sverdlovsk-19?

        And where does the mass infection of the employees of the ceramic factory in Sverdlovsk with anthrax through its importation from private livestock farms?
  21. +1
    24 March 2020 10: 51
    There was a joint Sino-US project in Wuhan in 2015: a study of coronaviruses.
    Participants: Chinese Biological Institute and two American universities.
    The project is not military or secret. About him were publications in scientific journals.
    The artificial virus, which was then jointly developed, received an official
    catalog number.
    The virus that has spread is now different from the artificial one.
    1. 0
      24 March 2020 10: 56
      Help translate from English.
      NATURE | NEWSSharing
      PrintShare / bookmark
      Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
      Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.

      Editors' note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus

      https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
      1. 0
        24 March 2020 11: 23
        It is useless ... The link to the Nature editor will not convince anyone. Here and not
        have heard of such a scientific journal.
        Now, if Solovyov said! laughing
        1. -1
          24 March 2020 11: 26
          I think the local comrades will soon find the Israeli secret laboratory .. but the picture is incomplete without this)
          1. 0
            24 March 2020 11: 35
            Already found, but what about? laughing
            It immediately appeared:
            "Why Israel will make the vaccine first? - because the virus itself invented!"
      2. 0
        24 March 2020 11: 38
        Help translate from English.

        And what, already "Google translator" among the "prohibited sites"?
        Here is the translation from there:
        Editor's Note, March 2020. We know that this story is used as the basis for unverified theories about the creation of a new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that the animal is the most likely source of coronavirus
        https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

        And there is no need to refer to the private opinion "Nature" is the same as referring to the magazine "World of Travel". There should be an official request, for example, from Russia to the Security Council and the UN to investigate the causes of the appearance of this virus and the emergence of a pandemic, and through a joint multinational commission of specialists. Then, based on the results of this investigation, conclusions can and will be drawn, but all these opinions of different persons and magazines with experts are just "private opinions", not obligatory for perception ..
    2. +1
      24 March 2020 12: 49
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The project is not military or secret. About him were publications in scientific journals.
      The artificial virus, which was then jointly developed, received an official
      catalog number.

      At least someone adequate on the air erupts.
  22. 0
    24 March 2020 14: 49
    Quote: Alex_59
    Tu-160 bomber matches the layout of the B-1 bomber

    Genome matching is like matching aircraft serial numbers laughing

    Once again: you claim that there was no accident in Wuhan / North Carolina, and that the evil Chinese / American government itself infected its citizens?
    1. -4
      24 March 2020 15: 01
      Quote: Operator
      Once again: you claim that there was no accident in Wuhan / North Carolina, and that the evil Chinese / American government itself infected its citizens?

      Once again: I affirm that the virus is the result of a natural mutation. And until I saw evidence of some kind of technological accident there. If I see, then maybe I will change my mind.
      Quote: Operator
      Genome matching is like matching aircraft serial numbers

      Well done scientists - they were able to understand exactly how the virus mutates in the future. We will rejoice for them.
  23. 0
    24 March 2020 15: 51
    Quote: military_cat
    Are biological weapons precisely developed by publishing articles in open magazines and warning of danger and leaving a five-year period to prepare? Is it definitely being done with absolutely zero selectivity between strangers and your own? It is precisely used without providing precautions for itself in advance?

    1. Five years after 2015, nothing was published in open magazines - it is surprisingly reminiscent of the creation of nuclear weapons when all the information in the magazines disappeared in 1940.
    2. It didn’t beat five years for preparation because a slightly different virus was created. Themselves claim that today's virus is slightly different.
    3. Selectivity is not necessary if prepared to protect against the virus. There is still selectivity - it kills mainly adult people, such as state leaders and economists.
    4. Provided precautionary measures - the United States has incomparably less victims than China, Iran and the EU. The first in the world to close the borders for the Chinese. They already have treatment - according to their president.
    5. Several dozens of American athletes could spread this virus very easily in Wuhan without any danger to themselves.
  24. 0
    24 March 2020 16: 03
    Quote: Liam
    There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.1878

    Naturally, there is no evidence and that no doctrine dares to say such a thing - they will condemn to death.
    Here we are not talking about evidence, but that it is quite possible and very likely (highly likly) as some say.
  25. +1
    24 March 2020 21: 30
    It's funny .. when I posted a link to this article of 2015 here on the website a couple of days ago, they immediately got a few minuses .. And now the material was posted with a discussion ... what interesting and important people rule the situation here ... here's another piece from a discussion of the details of the work of the state center where the ill-fated coronavirus was created .. (by the way, it’s quite officially patented and registered as artificially created in the same United States!) .. so, in 2015 ... we can see in the list of authors several chinese names. In particular, the lovely lady Shi Zheng-Li. All these years, she did not let up: in 2017, before and after, she continued to work in her not very protected laboratory on the problem: how to transfer bat coronavirus to a person?
    The logical result of this work: it was Shi Zheng-Li who, in the city of Wuhan, diagnosed the epidemic of a new coronavirus in December 2019 ... Somehow there are a lot of coincidences .. don’t you find?