National Interest said when the Su-57 fighter will "rise"

The observer of the American edition of The National Interest, Caleb Carson, called the reason why in the near future we should not expect a “resurrection” of the Russian Su-57 fighter. In his opinion, there is a direct relationship between the use of the Su-35S aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces and the development of the Su-57.

Carson believes that the impetus for the “resurrection” of the Su-57 could be the moment when the Su-35S ceases to arrange the Russian military and cope with its tasks. Until then, you should not expect from the Su-57 not only something special, but even just its appearance in the air. An American observer calls the Su-57 the first Russian stealth fighter.

Actually, in the summer of 2018, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov called the Su-35 one of the best military aircraft in the world. For this reason, he sees no reason to rush with the rearmament of the Russian airborne forces on the Su-57.

By 2028, it was planned to transfer 76 units of the Su-57 to the troops. At the moment, there are 13 prototypes of this aircraft. 10 of them are used for flight tests, and three are used for static ground tests.

In December last year, the first Su-57 fighter, which was planned to be handed over to the aerospace forces, crashed during a test flight.

The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."

Comments

[svp67]

What any "expert" is good at is that he can always "predict and explain" everything, and most importantly tell why he "was wrong last time"

[rotmistr60]

What makes any "expert" good ...

Absolutely, especially if it concerns a country that is considered as a potential adversary. And this is not the case with them, and it’s through the stump of a deck, but it's time to forget about it ... And the information is usually taken from the omniscient Internet, after which it is presented with a clever look as its conclusion after a long analysis.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rotmistr60

What makes any "expert" good ...

Absolutely, especially if it concerns a country that is considered as a potential adversary.

From the article

The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."

And the most interesting thing is that they are themselves and offer themselves as "production partners and investors" to a potential adversary. That is to us.
How - we remember - we remember how they "invested" and "partnered" in the 90s ... So, in the late 90s they reported to the State Department that "by 2004 the Russian army will cease to exist as a combat-ready unit" ... We barely caught our breath from that "partnership" - they still regurgitate ...
Only, as with "partners and investors" it almost always happens, "at a certain moment something went wrong." And the army was underdeveloped, and the missiles were undercut, and the factories did not finish everything ... Now they are howling about the "Russian threat" in the best traditions of the Cold War.

One thing is scary - under the Union, there could be no talk of "partnership and investment" in the defense industry. And now - "what money cannot buy, can be bought for very big money." God save us from liberals, democracy and reformers. Again, [cenzored 5 times], they will sell ...

[venik]

Quote: svp67

What any "expert" is good at is that he can always "predict and explain" everything, and most importantly tell why he "was wrong last time"

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Sergei! Do you know WHAT a "good" expert analyst differs from a "bad" one? No?
So: a "good" expert analyst can always explain: "WHY" happened "" ......
Well, already "very, very good" - also to explain:

Quote: svp67

why he "was wrong last time

.......
Well, the "bad" one tries to predict "WHAT will happen" ...
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PS Azm is an "expert analyst" with 20 years of experience!

[CAT BAIYUN]

In some way, these Xsperds from this edition remind me of "English scientists" ... But this passage:

if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad"

so generally touches.
You there deal with your uncooked penguins, and somehow we ourselves will deal with our aircraft.

[Victor_B]

Quote: KOT BYUN

Somehow these Xsperds from this edition remind me of "English scientists" ...

Than what!
Yes, it reminds everyone!
Moreover, it is the "British scholarly journalists" who work there!

[svp67]

Quote: KOT BYUN

Somehow these Xsperds from this edition remind me of "English scientists" ...

So school is alone

[mitroha]

if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad"

This shows very well the level of intelligence of this "expert"

[EnGenius]

There is nothing criminal in the article. He is right, for Russia there is no urgent task now to rearm their airborne forces on the Su-57. While they were ordered in small batches, which will correspond to the pace of production of 5-10 aircraft per year, the necessary 74 pieces will be built in just ten years. In parallel, they will improve and look for ways to modernize. And after ten years, 150-300 units can be ordered, depending on the success of the project (the reliability of the composite glider, engines, avionics, radars and other equipment). It is the United States that purchases everything in bulk, and the F-35 is a mass fighter, and its price has been significantly reduced. Another thing is that only the USA and Israel can use all its buns at the expense of its avionics.

[nickname7]

for Russia there is now no urgent task to rearm its VKS on the Su-57

"The grapes are green, so not needed"
A new vase model came out, because they do not say that they say why I need a new car, the old one will go to me.
What nonsense, spending billions to develop a new plane, and then talking about it is unnecessary. Very strange logic. In fact, there is an opinion that there is simply no money, so I have to tell you what is not necessary. But there is no money, since effective ones cannot enter the economy.

So far they have been ordered in small batches, which will correspond to the pace of production of 5-10 aircraft per year

You probably dreamed about 10. While F 22 already made 500, you console yourself by 1 piece a year. Although maybe in 10 years they will put 1 Su-57 with the troops.

And after ten years, 150-300 pieces can be ordered

If now they can’t, why do you think that they can then? Really decide to carry out industrialization? But something is not heard in the government about industrialization, more and more cuts are talking.

[EnGenius]

Well, first of all, the United States is not going to retire the F-15, and Russia will definitely not send the Su-30/34/35, since they are doing an excellent job with their role. In addition, Russia does not yet have the task of gaining superiority in foreign airspace, and we will work from defense in the zones of operation of its air defense. Therefore, our "stealth" in the west is criticized for the absence of the S channel and metal leading edges of the tail, the absence of "thermal" masking of engines. And within its own air defense zones and the Su-35 is an excellent fighter, even without any "stealth". Thus, we can assume that the Su-57 is the first production model, the first iteration.

Do you know why the USA is not building an F-22? Because they can no longer - the line was dismantled, everything, now only repair and modernization. They will also not build the S-17, and if India does not buy the F-16 (21) then they will dismantle this line. So the reasons why they don’t buy a lot and immediately the Su-57 are many, and the most expensive reason is large-scale production, and no one is yet sure of the need for such production. In Russia, mass production has now been created only for the IL-76 (476), everything else is produced in a small series.

But if in ten years they decide that the model is good and has the potential for 6 generations, then they can order at least a thousand aircraft in ten years at once - and then they will have to spend a lot to produce 100 aircraft per year and sets of components, respectively.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

How many experts, well, do not let them sleep, our planes, tanks, and so on.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov

How many experts, well, do not let them sleep, our planes, tanks, and so on.

We would live peacefully behind the Big Puddle, we wouldn’t go into "democracy" around the world - and they would have to pill, for example, how many tanks we have - at least there would be five of them on every square kilometer. Nobody would have touched those "experts". No, they crawl like cockroaches into every crevice ...

It goes on like this - our tanks will be counted in Alabama ... It seems that the Bering Strait can only be swam big and cold.

[Looking for]

did not boast. coming to the army ... Russia has so far nothing to boast of.

[Olya Tsako]

Evoking a melancholy and a state of helplessness, knowing the Pentagon plans to replace most of its armed forces' fleet with 2020th generation F-5 Lightning II fighters in 35. In accordance with the program, by the end of the current decade, 2 aircraft of this type should be produced - 443 !!! , which will go into service with the Air Force, Navy and the United States Marine Corps.


One of the versions of the aircraft - the F-35A - was developed specifically for the Air Force and will replace the F-16 and F-18 fighters, as well as the A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft. The second variant, the F-35C, is intended for aircraft carriers and will take the place of the F / A-18. The third version, the F-35B (fully vertical takeoff), will be the successor to the outdated Harrier. All three aircraft variants are 80 percent unified.


A few hundred more F-35s will be built for eight international partners who have invested in this project.

[Irokez]

Quote: Olya Tsako

Gives melancholy and a state of helplessness

But what is longing and helplessness?
The fact that the Su-35 is not 5,0 generation, but 4 ++. Well, helplessness is for them because air defense as we do not have is so effective and therefore penguins are riveted because they will massively fall from our air defense.
And they want to feed their voracious military commissar with this and change the old to the new in bulk.
Nothing personal just business.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Irokez

And they want to feed their voracious military commissar

I wonder when they will break through the budget of the Pentagon 2 trillion? With debt more than 20 ...

Nice, damn it, digital numbers are running online - https: //usdebtclock.org ...

[EnGenius]

And from these debts, 10-15 trillion were issued in the form of loans within the United States and abroad, which bring 4-6% per annum, of which 1-2% are received by the Fed. That's the income from this debt of 500-800 billion a year - just for the maintenance of the Pentagon.

[KCA]

But with all plans for production, the Pentagon claims that 160 critical flaws of the F-35 cannot be fixed at the moment.

[kot423]

If your stream of thought (or, more simply, the copyright of the Pentagon’s Wishlist) contains information on the timing and quality of correction of penguin defects, of which there are more than 800 (this is official), then it would look more convincing. And so - just a set of letters.

[vkl.47]

Olga. Let's be sad together? We will hug and we will be sad.

[Kurare]

Quote: vkl.47

hug and we will be sad.

Sad - yes, hug - no! Do not forget about the pasta virus!

[YOUR]

In May 2019, the start of mass production of the Su-57 was announced. Soon a year has passed, but so far not a single aircraft has been built.

[Salty]

"National Interest told" - you can not read further)))

[Irokez]

I have not had time to get on the wing, but they already want to resurrect him. To resurrect, you need to destroy, but this has not happened yet.

[Pereira]

To be resurrected, it is necessary to destroy, but in order to destroy, one must first produce. We are at the very beginning of the journey. It is premature to speak of resurrection.

[Irokez]

Quote: Pereira

must first produce

The baby is already born (born). Right now the main thing is not to bury him alive.

[Pereira]

The baby will be when the first regiment rearm. Figuratively speaking, for now - the embryo with all the attendant risks.

[Irokez]

Quote: Pereira

The baby will be when the first regiment rearm. Figuratively speaking, for now - the embryo with all the attendant risks.

Well, I do not agree with you.
The embryo is when the designer’s head
Conception - the beginning of design
Bearing - the process of design and technology
Birth - 1 instance.
Then there will be education, study, and so on. Right now, just education and study with the preparation of admission to the university.
All.

[Pereira]

Combat aircraft are considered regiments. .
Regiment - birth. Division - education. Use is an exam.
1 pc is nothing

[Irokez]

Clear. Not those dimensions.

[nickname7]

"Resurrect". Perhaps the translation is not correct.

[Zaurbek]

Su35C without the program and production of Su57 will not be able to develop and will soon become obsolete. On do not need modern systems from the Su57. A competitor in the form of F15 has already received avionics and AFAR .....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Olya Tsako

Evoking a melancholy and a state of helplessness, knowing the Pentagon plans to replace most of its armed forces' fleet with 2020th generation F-5 Lightning II fighters in 35. In accordance with the program, by the end of the current decade, 2 aircraft of this type should be produced - 443 !!! , which will go into service with the Air Force, Navy and the United States Marine Corps.


One of the versions of the aircraft - the F-35A - was developed specifically for the Air Force and will replace the F-16 and F-18 fighters, as well as the A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft. The second variant, the F-35C, is intended for aircraft carriers and will take the place of the F / A-18. The third version, the F-35B (fully vertical takeoff), will be the successor to the outdated Harrier. All three aircraft variants are 80 percent unified.


A few hundred more F-35s will be built for eight international partners who have invested in this project.

How socialism has mutilated your brains !!! You do not distinguish plans from the implementation of these plans.
And how, how long have you been wandering in communism, as promised by the pig-like, since the 80s?

[Olya Tsako]

Vityusha. And you know, after those like you, after 65, who lived in deep socialism, our mayor Sobyanin, an aspirant to the new presidency, has forbidden to poke his nose on the street, all the more so, you already have 73.
And you are supposed to 4 thousand rubles.
But we, who did not live in socialism, have nothing to do.
And about brains, do you always diagnose remotely? Age-related gender snobbery of the Stalinist generation, "the pioneers of Vissarionych", burdened with dilirium and keyboard autism, is raging in you.

[Fishery]

when the oil will be 80))) then it will rise again

[China]

$ 286 - this is if we will also build an aircraft carrier to the 100th anniversary of the victory

[voyaka uh]

We must wait until the first serial (board number 2) arrives unharmed in the troops.
This will be an incentive for further production.

[Tuzik]

Aleksey, do not you think that Caleb Carson is right. As long as there is a cool Su-35, release the 57th in a small amount, purely for educational purposes. And in the coming years, 5-10 to finish it to the maximum, AFAR, engines, coating, etc.?

[voyaka uh]

No, it doesn’t. Time is running out. Technology is developing rapidly.
On the approach - weighty jet drone. The next step is drones fighter jets.
These drones will have to butt the steep Su-35, while they will swing with the Su-57.
In modern fighters - the concentration of military technology.
Rocking can be fatal.

[Tuzik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Rocking can be fatal.

This is if a serious war is assumed.

[Romario_Argo]

such an interesting fighter Su-35S, 12 suspension points, I still understand
but the maximum mass is 34,5 tons for a fighter,
8 tons of bomb load like the bomber F-18E "Super Hornet"
- this is already super cool (!)
* although the F-18 surpassed our Su-34 bomber, which takes 12 tons

[Zaurbek]

They think differently ..... here it is not so simple and range and load. You still take a look at Grippen.

[Romario_Argo]

You still take a look at Grippen.

Grippen is some kind of low likeness of our MiG-35
bomb load: 5 vs 7 tons
combat radius: 800 vs 1000 km.

[Zaurbek]

So the weight is half as much

[5-9]

Well, when calculating this exciting indicator, the NATO stupidly add up the maximum load on each node, and ours indicate that the maximum can be really suspended. In real life, everything except the Su-27 and its descendants and the F-22 with the F-35 (a large stock of internal fuel is one of the most important signs of the 5th generation) fly hung with 1-3 cc PTBs with a corresponding reduction in combat load.
You can also mention that taking off at maximum load is, to put it mildly, harmful and you can’t do it for too long, and most likely you can’t land with it .... and in real combat missions most likely you don’t need to.

[Romario_Argo]

in real combat missions most likely and not necessary

Su-34s in Syria in the standby mode of third-party control centers take an average load: 6 FAB-500, 2 KAB-1500, 2 P-73 = 6300 kg. - but could take 12000 kg.

[5-9]

Yes, everyone in real missions takes loads that are far from the ultimate Murzil ... I don’t even understand why he needs 2 KAB-1500s in a normal departure .... the underground city of slippers will suddenly be discovered? although they are probably being driven to the most important goals, and they are sprinkled with Su-25 OFAB-250-270.

[Romario_Argo]

why does he need 2 KAB-1500 on a regular departure

Dryers hang in an air patrol, wait for the control center and strike, and a bomb load is formed before the reconnaissance flight. data. And the Greens have enough buried structures - and we’re just waiting for the extras - to work out more efficiently, here are the CABs and hang
- KABY in a standby mode do not spend the resource

[Oleg Zorin_2]

Stories with Su and Armata as twin brothers.

[China]

So, all the same, there will be a Su-57, but I thought we bypassing the fifth generation, we will begin to release the sixth right away.

[kot423]

Well... you You can release a 6000 generation at home, we don’t mind.

[iouris]

He will be resurrected when the country's population exceeds 250 million.

[g1washntwn]

The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."

Well, that’s understandable ... As soon as you sell both your kidneys and you have money, life will play in a completely different way ...

[Xenofont]

It's great that there are such Ik! -Perts! They will tell you everything, justify it and convince them of counting on the complete absence of erudition and laziness of the reader’s mind, running similar texts along the diagonal of a beer. But in immature minds a trace remains and then the whole crap is spread on social networks as the ultimate truth.

[Maks1995]

"At the moment there are 13 prototypes of this aircraft. 10 of them are used for flight tests, and three are used for static ground."
Cool

It's time to curse the F35 and the Chinese ....

[bars1]

Looks like Carson is not aware that a contract for 76 Su-57 has been signed. Let me remind you that the first contract for the Su-35S was 48 pieces. Interestingly, the all-proslavers then howled?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Olya Tsako

Vityusha. And you know, after those like you, after 65, who lived in deep socialism, our mayor Sobyanin, an aspirant to the new presidency, has forbidden to poke his nose on the street, all the more so, you already have 73.
And you are supposed to 4 thousand rubles.
But we, who did not live in socialism, have nothing to do.
And about brains, do you always diagnose remotely? Age-related gender snobbery of the Stalinist generation, "the pioneers of Vissarionych", burdened with dilirium and keyboard autism, is raging in you.

I still doubted your inadequacy. Now there is no.

[Ros 56]

They know all that, guess everything, well, there is no life from these signs. Zadolbali, tweet as if Putin and Shoigu they laid out all the cards. Well balabolki.

[5-9]

Su-57 - while raw and even with the engines of the first stage. An example of the United States, which riveted to themselves and the vassals half a half of Fy-35 already pieces of 5 mods that are sky ready in one way or another and still not the final technical appearance - this is how not to do it. With the appearance in a few years (check out the period from the start of mass production !!!) of the doped version, all these hundreds of half-baked semi-finished products will need to be modernized (fresh airplanes - ohh, the public is not happy) to withdraw expensively or quietly to the reserve.