National Interest said when the Su-57 fighter will "rise"


The observer of the American edition of The National Interest, Caleb Carson, called the reason why in the near future we should not expect a “resurrection” of the Russian Su-57 fighter. In his opinion, there is a direct relationship between the use of the Su-35S aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces and the development of the Su-57.


Carson believes that the impetus for the “resurrection” of the Su-57 could be the moment when the Su-35S ceases to arrange the Russian military and cope with its tasks. Until then, you should not expect from the Su-57 not only something special, but even just its appearance in the air. An American observer calls the Su-57 the first Russian stealth fighter.

Actually, in the summer of 2018, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov called the Su-35 one of the best military aircraft in the world. For this reason, he sees no reason to rush with the rearmament of the Russian airborne forces on the Su-57.

By 2028, it was planned to transfer 76 units of the Su-57 to the troops. At the moment, there are 13 prototypes of this aircraft. 10 of them are used for flight tests, and three are used for static ground tests.

In December last year, the first Su-57 fighter, which was planned to be handed over to the aerospace forces, crashed during a test flight.

The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."
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  1. svp67 23 March 2020 11: 19 New
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    What is good about any “expert” is that he can always “predict and explain everything” and, most importantly, tell why he “turned out to be wrong last time”
    1. rotmistr60 23 March 2020 11: 30 New
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      What is good about any "expert" ...
      Absolutely, especially if it concerns a country that is considered as a potential adversary. And this is not the case with them, and it’s through the stump of a deck, but it's time to forget about it ... And the information is usually taken from the omniscient Internet, after which it is presented with a clever look as its conclusion after a long analysis.
      1. Zoldat_A 23 March 2020 12: 45 New
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        Quote: rotmistr60
        What is good about any "expert" ...
        Absolutely, especially if it concerns a country that is considered as a potential adversary.

        From the article
        The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."
        And the most interesting thing is that they offer themselves to "potential production partners and investors" to a potential adversary. That is to us.
        Well - remember, remember how they "invested" and "partnered" in the 90s ... So, in the late 90s they reported to the State Department that "by 2004, the Russian army will cease to exist as a combat-ready unit" . We barely caught our breath from that "partnership" - still burps ...
        Only, as with “partners and investors” it happens almost constantly, “at a certain moment something went wrong.” And the army was underdeveloped, and the missiles weren’t cut, and the factories didn’t finish everything ... Now they howl about the “Russian threat” in the best traditions of the Cold War.

        One thing scares - under the Union, there was no question of “partnership and investment” in the defense industry complex. And now - "what you can’t buy for money, you can buy for very big money." God forbid us from liberals, democracy and reformers. Again, [cenzored 5 times], they will sell ...
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    3. venik 23 March 2020 16: 44 New
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      Quote: svp67
      What is good about any “expert” is that he can always “predict and explain everything” and, most importantly, tell why he “turned out to be wrong last time”

      ========
      good
      Sergei! Do you know how the "good" expert analyst differs from the "bad"? No?
      So: a “good” expert analyst can always explain: "WHY" happened "" ...... wassat
      Well, already "very, very good" - also explain:
      Quote: svp67
      why he "was wrong last time
      ....... drinks
      But "bad" - trying to predict "what will happen" ... wassat
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      PS Azm "expert analyst" with 20 years of experience! lol crying
  2. CAT BAIYUN 23 March 2020 11: 29 New
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    Somehow, these Eksperds from this publication remind me of "English scientists" ... But this passage:
    if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad"

    so generally touches.
    You there deal with your uncooked penguins, and somehow we ourselves will deal with our aircraft.
    1. Victor_B 23 March 2020 11: 36 New
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      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      Somehow, these Eksperds from this publication remind me of "English scientists" ...

      Than what!
      Yes, it reminds everyone!
      Especially since it is the "English scientific journalists" who work there!
    2. svp67 23 March 2020 11: 38 New
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      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      Somehow, these Eksperds from this publication remind me of "English scientists" ...

      So school is alone
    3. Mitroha 23 March 2020 12: 06 New
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      if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad"

      This shows very well the level of intelligence of this "expert"
    4. EnGenius 23 March 2020 13: 34 New
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      There is nothing criminal in the article. He is right, for Russia there is no urgent task now to rearm their airborne forces on the Su-57. While they were ordered in small batches, which will correspond to the pace of production of 5-10 aircraft per year, the necessary 74 pieces will be built in just ten years. In parallel, they will improve and look for ways to modernize. And after ten years, 150-300 units can be ordered, depending on the success of the project (the reliability of the composite glider, engines, avionics, radars and other equipment). It is the United States that purchases everything in bulk, and the F-35 is a mass fighter, and its price has been significantly reduced. Another thing is that only the USA and Israel can use all its buns at the expense of its avionics.
      1. nickname7 23 March 2020 14: 33 New
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        for Russia there is now no urgent task to rearm its VKS on the Su-57

        "The grapes are green, therefore not needed"
        A new vase model came out, because they do not say that they say why I need a new car, the old one will go to me.
        What nonsense, spending billions to develop a new plane, and then talking about it is unnecessary. Very strange logic. In fact, there is an opinion that there is simply no money, so I have to tell you what is not necessary. But there is no money, since effective ones cannot enter the economy.

        So far they have been ordered in small batches, which will correspond to the pace of production of 5-10 aircraft per year

        Вам приснилось наверно о 10. В то время как F 22 уже сделали 500, вы утешаете себя по 1 штуке в год. Хотя может через 10 лет поставят 1 Су-57 с в войска.

        And after ten years, 150-300 pieces can be ordered

        If now they can’t, why do you think that they can then? Really decide to carry out industrialization? But something is not heard in the government about industrialization, more and more cuts are talking.
        1. EnGenius 23 March 2020 17: 10 New
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          Ну во первых США не собираются отправлять на покой F-15, а Россия точно не отправит Су-30/34/35 так как они прекрасно справляются со своей ролью. Кроме того у России пока нет задач по завоеванию превосходства в чужом воздушном пространстве, а работать мы будем от обороны в зонах действия своей ПВО. Поэтому и "стелс" наш на западе критикуют за отсутствие S канала и металлические передние кромки оперения, отсутствию "тепловой" маскировки двигателей. А в пределах собственных зон ПВО и Су-35 отличный боец даже вообще без "стелс". Таким образом можно считать, что Су-57 это первая серийная модель, первая итерация.

          Do you know why the USA is not building an F-22? Because they can no longer - the line was dismantled, everything, now only repair and modernization. They will also not build the S-17, and if India does not buy the F-16 (21) then they will dismantle this line. So the reasons why they don’t buy a lot and immediately the Su-57 are many, and the most expensive reason is large-scale production, and no one is yet sure of the need for such production. In Russia, mass production has now been created only for the IL-76 (476), everything else is produced in a small series.

          But if in ten years they decide that the model is good and has the potential for 6 generations, then they can order at least a thousand aircraft in ten years at once - and then they will have to spend a lot to produce 100 aircraft per year and sets of components, respectively.
  3. Andrey Mikhaylov 23 March 2020 11: 42 New
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    How many experts, well, do not let them sleep, our planes, tanks, and so on.
    1. Zoldat_A 23 March 2020 12: 56 New
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      Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov
      How many experts, well, do not let them sleep, our planes, tanks, and so on.

      They would live quietly behind the Big Puddle, would not climb with "democracy" all over the world - and they would have to pill, how many tanks, for example, we have - at least five would be placed on each square kilometer. Nobody would touch those “experts”. No, they climb like cockroaches into every crevice ...

      It goes on like this - our tanks will be counted in Alabama ... It seems that the Bering Strait can only be swam big and cold.
      1. Looking for 23 March 2020 16: 11 New
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        did not boast. coming to the army ... Russia has so far nothing to boast of.
  4. Olya Tsako 23 March 2020 11: 43 New
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    Навевает тоску и состояние беспомощности, зная , Пентагон в 2020 году планирует заменить истребителями 5-го поколения F-35 "Лайтнинг-II" большую часть парка боевых самолетов в своих вооруженных силах. В соответствии с программой, до конца текущей декады должно быть произведено 2 тыс. 443 самолетов этого типа,- 2443 !!! , которые поступят на вооружение ВВС, ВМС и Корпуса Морской пехоты США.


    One version of the aircraft - F-35A - is designed specifically for the Air Force and will replace the F-16 and F-18 fighters, as well as the A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft. The second option - F-35C - is intended for aircraft carriers and will take the place of F / A-18. The third version - F-35B (with a fully vertical take-off) - will be the receiver of the obsolete Harrier. All three aircraft options are unified by 80 percent.


    A few hundred more F-35s will be built for eight international partners who have invested in this project.
    1. Irokez 23 March 2020 11: 51 New
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      Quote: Olya Tsako
      Gives melancholy and a state of helplessness

      But what is longing and helplessness?
      The fact that the Su-35 is not 5,0 generation, but 4 ++. Well, helplessness is for them because air defense as we do not have is so effective and therefore penguins are riveted because they will massively fall from our air defense.
      And they want to feed their voracious military commissar with this and change the old to the new in bulk.
      Nothing personal just business.
      1. Zoldat_A 23 March 2020 13: 02 New
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        Quote: Irokez
        And they want to feed their voracious military commissar

        I wonder when they will break through the budget of the Pentagon 2 trillion? With debt more than 20 ...

        Nice, damn it, digital numbers are running online - https: //usdebtclock.org ...
        1. EnGenius 23 March 2020 17: 38 New
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          And from these debts, 10-15 trillion were issued in the form of loans within the United States and abroad, which bring 4-6% per annum, of which 1-2% are received by the Fed. That's the income from this debt of 500-800 billion a year - just for the maintenance of the Pentagon.
    2. KCA
      KCA 23 March 2020 11: 52 New
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      But with all plans for production, the Pentagon claims that 160 critical flaws of the F-35 cannot be fixed at the moment.
    3. kot423 23 March 2020 11: 53 New
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      If your stream of thought (or, more simply, the copyright of the Pentagon’s Wishlist) contains information on the timing and quality of correction of penguin defects, of which there are more than 800 (this is official), then it would look more convincing. And so - just a set of letters.
    4. vkl.47 23 March 2020 12: 04 New
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      Olga. Let's be sad together? We will hug and we will be sad.
      1. Kurare 23 March 2020 12: 33 New
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        Quote: vkl.47
        hug and we will be sad.

        Sad - yes, hug - no! Do not forget about the pasta virus! soldier
    5. YOUR 23 March 2020 13: 46 New
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      In May 2019, the start of mass production of the Su-57 was announced. Soon a year has passed, but so far not a single aircraft has been built.
  5. Salty 23 March 2020 11: 44 New
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    "National Interest told" - you can not read further)))
  6. Irokez 23 March 2020 11: 44 New
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    I have not had time to get on the wing, but they already want to resurrect him. To resurrect, you need to destroy, but this has not happened yet.
    1. Pereira 23 March 2020 12: 14 New
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      Чтобы воскресить, надо уничтожить, а чтобы уничтожить, надо сначала произвести. Мы в самом начале пути. О воскрешении говорить преждевременно.
      1. Irokez 23 March 2020 12: 47 New
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        Quote: Pereira
        must first produce

        The baby is already born (born). Right now the main thing is not to bury him alive.
        1. Pereira 23 March 2020 13: 16 New
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          Младенец будет, когда первый полк перевооружим. Если образно выражаться, то пока - зародыш со всеми сопутствующими рисками.
          1. Irokez 23 March 2020 13: 36 New
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            Quote: Pereira
            The baby will be when the first regiment rearm. Figuratively speaking, for now - the embryo with all the attendant risks.

            Well, I do not agree with you.
            The embryo is when the designer’s head
            Conception - the beginning of design
            Bearing - the process of design and technology
            Birth - 1 instance.
            Then there will be education, study, and so on. Right now, just education and study with the preparation of admission to the university.
            All.
            1. Pereira 23 March 2020 15: 56 New
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              Combat aircraft are considered regiments. .
              Полк - рождение. Дивизия - воспитание. Использование - экзамен.
              1 pc is nothing
              1. Irokez 23 March 2020 16: 24 New
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                Clear. Not those dimensions.
      2. nickname7 23 March 2020 14: 37 New
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        Resurrect. Perhaps the translation is not correct.
  7. Zaurbek 23 March 2020 12: 03 New
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    Su35C without the program and production of Su57 will not be able to develop and will soon become obsolete. On do not need modern systems from the Su57. A competitor in the form of F15 has already received avionics and AFAR .....
  8. Victor March 47 23 March 2020 12: 15 New
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    Quote: Olya Tsako
    Навевает тоску и состояние беспомощности, зная , Пентагон в 2020 году планирует заменить истребителями 5-го поколения F-35 "Лайтнинг-II" большую часть парка боевых самолетов в своих вооруженных силах. В соответствии с программой, до конца текущей декады должно быть произведено 2 тыс. 443 самолетов этого типа,- 2443 !!! , которые поступят на вооружение ВВС, ВМС и Корпуса Морской пехоты США.


    One version of the aircraft - F-35A - is designed specifically for the Air Force and will replace the F-16 and F-18 fighters, as well as the A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft. The second option - F-35C - is intended for aircraft carriers and will take the place of F / A-18. The third version - F-35B (with a fully vertical take-off) - will be the receiver of the obsolete Harrier. All three aircraft options are unified by 80 percent.


    A few hundred more F-35s will be built for eight international partners who have invested in this project.

    How socialism has mutilated your brains !!! You do not distinguish plans from the implementation of these plans.
    And how, how long have you been wandering in communism, as promised by the pig-like, since the 80s?
    1. Olya Tsako 23 March 2020 12: 34 New
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      Витюша. А вы знаете,шо таким как вы.после 65,пожившим в глубочайшем социализме,наш мэр Собянин -претендент в новые президенты,запретил совать нос на улицу,тем более ,шо вам уже 73.
      And you are supposed to 4 thousand rubles.
      But we, who did not live in socialism, have nothing to do.
      А про мозги-вы всегда ставите диагноз дистанционно? Возрастной гендерный снобизм сталинского поколения",пионэров Виссарионыча",отягощённый дилириумом и клавишным аутизмом - в вас так и бушует.
  9. Fishery 23 March 2020 12: 18 New
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    when the oil will be 80))) then it will rise again
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      1. China 23 March 2020 13: 37 New
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        $ 286 - this is if we will also build an aircraft carrier to the 100th anniversary of the victory
  10. voyaka uh 23 March 2020 12: 31 New
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    We must wait until the first serial (board number 2) arrives unharmed in the troops.
    This will be an incentive for further production.
    1. Tuzik 23 March 2020 15: 23 New
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      Aleksey, do not you think that Caleb Carson is right. As long as there is a cool Su-35, release the 57th in a small amount, purely for educational purposes. And in the coming years, 5-10 to finish it to the maximum, AFAR, engines, coating, etc.?
      1. voyaka uh 23 March 2020 17: 04 New
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        No, it doesn’t. Time is running out. Technology is developing rapidly.
        On the approach - weighty jet drone. The next step is drones fighter jets.
        These drones will have to butt the steep Su-35, while they will swing with the Su-57.
        In modern fighters - the concentration of military technology.
        Rocking can be fatal.
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Rocking can be fatal.

          This is if a serious war is assumed.
  11. Romario_Argo 23 March 2020 12: 59 New
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    such an interesting fighter Su-35S, 12 suspension points, I still understand
    but the maximum mass is 34,5 tons for a fighter,
    8 tons of bomb load like the F-18E Super Hornet bomber
    - this is already super cool (!)
    * although the F-18 surpassed our Su-34 bomber, which takes 12 tons
    1. Zaurbek 23 March 2020 13: 58 New
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      They think differently ..... here it is not so simple and range and load. You still take a look at Grippen.
      1. Romario_Argo 23 March 2020 15: 05 New
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        You still take a look at Grippen.

        Grippen is some kind of low likeness of our MiG-35
        bomb load: 5 vs 7 tons
        combat radius: 800 vs 1000 km.
        1. Zaurbek 23 March 2020 18: 53 New
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          So the weight is half as much
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      5-9 24 March 2020 09: 59 New
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      Well, when calculating this exciting indicator, the NATO stupidly add up the maximum load on each node, and ours indicate that the maximum can be really suspended. In real life, everything except the Su-27 and its descendants and the F-22 with the F-35 (a large stock of internal fuel is one of the most important signs of the 5th generation) fly hung with 1-3 cc PTBs with a corresponding reduction in combat load.
      You can also mention that taking off at maximum load is, to put it mildly, harmful and you can’t do it for too long, and most likely you can’t land with it .... and in real combat missions most likely you don’t need to.
      1. Romario_Argo 24 March 2020 10: 39 New
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        in real combat missions most likely and not necessary

        Su-34s in Syria in the standby mode of third-party control centers take an average load: 6 FAB-500, 2 KAB-1500, 2 P-73 = 6300 kg. - but could take 12000 kg.
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          Yes, everyone in real missions takes loads that are far from the ultimate Murzil ... I don’t even understand why he needs 2 KAB-1500s in a normal departure .... the underground city of slippers will suddenly be discovered? although they are probably being driven to the most important goals, and they are sprinkled with Su-25 OFAB-250-270.
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            why does he need 2 KAB-1500 on a regular departure

            Dryers hang in an air patrol, wait for the control center and strike, and a bomb load is formed before the reconnaissance flight. data. And the Greens have enough buried structures - and we’re just waiting for the extras - to work out more efficiently, here are the CABs and hang
            - KABY in a standby mode do not spend the resource
  12. Oleg Zorin_2 23 March 2020 13: 07 New
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    Stories with Su and Armata as twin brothers.
  13. China 23 March 2020 13: 35 New
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    So, all the same, there will be a Su-57, but I thought we bypassing the fifth generation, we will begin to release the sixth right away.
    1. kot423 23 March 2020 14: 05 New
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      Well... you You can release a 6000 generation at home, we don’t mind.
  14. iouris 23 March 2020 13: 35 New
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    He will be resurrected when the country's population exceeds 250 million.
  15. g1washntwn 23 March 2020 14: 05 New
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    The Western press is generally convinced that the Su-57 can be fully realized only if Russia finds a "production partner and investor abroad."

    Well, that’s understandable ... As soon as you sell both your kidneys and you have money, life will play in a completely different way ...
  16. Xenofont 23 March 2020 14: 08 New
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    It's great that there are such Ik! -Perts! They will tell you everything, justify it and convince them of counting on the complete absence of erudition and laziness of the reader’s mind, running similar texts along the diagonal of a beer. But in immature minds a trace remains and then the whole crap is spread on social networks as the ultimate truth.
  17. Maks1995 23 March 2020 14: 41 New
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    "At present, there are 13 prototypes of this aircraft. 10 of them are used for flight tests, and three are used for static ground."
    Cool

    It's time to curse the F35 and the Chinese ....
  18. bars1 23 March 2020 15: 19 New
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    Looks like Carson is not aware that a contract for 76 Su-57 has been signed. Let me remind you that the first contract for the Su-35S was 48 pieces. Interestingly, the all-proslavers then howled?
  19. Victor March 47 23 March 2020 15: 39 New
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    Quote: Olya Tsako
    Витюша. А вы знаете,шо таким как вы.после 65,пожившим в глубочайшем социализме,наш мэр Собянин -претендент в новые президенты,запретил совать нос на улицу,тем более ,шо вам уже 73.
    And you are supposed to 4 thousand rubles.
    But we, who did not live in socialism, have nothing to do.
    А про мозги-вы всегда ставите диагноз дистанционно? Возрастной гендерный снобизм сталинского поколения",пионэров Виссарионыча",отягощённый дилириумом и клавишным аутизмом - в вас так и бушует.

    I still doubted your inadequacy. Now there is no.
  20. Ros 56 23 March 2020 17: 08 New
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    They know all that, guess everything, well, there is no life from these signs. Zadolbali, tweet as if Putin and Shoigu they laid out all the cards. Well balabolki.
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    Su-57 - while raw and even with the engines of the first stage. An example of the United States, which riveted to themselves and the vassals half a half of Fy-35 already pieces of 5 mods that are sky ready in one way or another and still not the final technical appearance - this is how not to do it. With the appearance in a few years (check out the period from the start of mass production !!!) of the doped version, all these hundreds of half-baked semi-finished products will need to be modernized (fresh airplanes - ohh, the public is not happy) to withdraw expensively or quietly to the reserve.