Copying foreign technology threatens a crisis in the Chinese defense industry


Chinese military industry has shown steady progress recently. China has achieved significant success in creating new generation fighter jets, launched the production of warships, built its own aircraft carrier for the first time, and is actively developing hypersonic missile technologies. It would seem that in front of the Chinese “defense industry” new perspectives are opening up.


However, this rapid development of the Chinese military-industrial sphere has its own reverse side. It is connected with the fact that soon Chinese companies from the military-industrial complex may face a serious crisis. And it is not connected at all with the financial situation or a decrease in the volume of the state defense order. It is connected with the technological side of the issue.

The fact is that all the main Chinese achievements in the military industry were related to the fact that China openly copied the technologies of other states. He bought something, received something through other channels.

Perhaps the largest volumes of technology borrowing are associated with Soviet and Russian models. After all, in China they themselves do not hide the fact that they often acquire military equipment in small batches, first of all, with the goal of carefully studying it and building on its basis an “own version”. In principle, this is exactly how the PLA Air Force appeared with numerous variants of fighters with the designation “Jay.” Their basis, mainly, is the Soviet and Russian Su aircraft of various modifications. Some were collected under license, others appeared when using the explicit "copy-paste" method.

But in the world of industry there is a law in which the main factor in determining the pace of development and technological improvement is its own technological experience and its own technological base. If this base is borrowed even from the best companies in the world, and if huge funds are allocated for “copying” this base, then production will be buried “in the ceiling” after a short time. For further development, it is necessary either to borrow foreign technologies and experience again, or to completely reformat the approach to creating high-class technology - completely refusing blind copying.

After all, if the development of industry was based only on copying other people's technologies, then, in principle, any wealthy country could “rivet” its “analogues” of the German Mercedes, and even with the best quality of the final “product”.

That is why the development of the Chinese military industry resembles a colossus with feet of clay - outwardly impressive and even perhaps frightening, but on the whole the problem of further improvement has not yet been solved.
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  1. rocket757 23 March 2020 11: 09 New
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    China invests money in all spheres, including in education and research. This gives the country really meaningful "fruits" ...
    While copying, but they themselves are developing a lot, different.
    1. svp67 23 March 2020 11: 17 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      While copying, but they themselves are developing a lot, different.

      And can you find out what they developed and with what success? A lot of them are tied to their psychology and mentality. They historically do not favor those who are unlucky in something, that is, losers. To become him is to lose everything. Therefore, it’s good for them to copy and develop something, they don’t need to invent anything special, and most importantly it’s clear that there will be success. But with a completely new one, there are problems. At any moment, it may turn out that you are a “loser,” because they don’t really like what to contact others unknown to.
      1. rocket757 23 March 2020 11: 49 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And can you find out what they developed and with what success?

        To do a thing that simply did not exist before, although it would be relatively ... not at all accessible to many. Basically they take the well-known / invented earlier and begin to use it differently.
        Not on previously unknown printers.
        Anyway, we need a serious scientific school and big investments in science, education ....
        Then, how much do we know now what and how they develop ??? they are not very trusting guys and their control system is more serious than most others.
        We will see, the wait is not so long left.
        The most interesting thing now is information technology, here they are not behind someone’s tail, it’s already obvious!
        1. svp67 23 March 2020 11: 52 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          The most interesting thing now is information technology, here they are not behind someone’s tail, it’s already obvious!

          No, and here they enjoy the successes of Silicon Valley, just their economy, now it allows these solutions to be implemented faster, and the main IT-productions are kept by the USA in China ... so that the USA always has the opportunity to “reset” everything "successes" of China in this area, as soon as he tries to take them out of the country, which is what happens
          1. rocket757 23 March 2020 12: 03 New
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            Quote: svp67
            No, and here they enjoy the successes of Silicon Valley,

            There are no 5, 6G networks in the "silicone" networks, in any form in their entirety ... but the Chinese have a ready-made 5G project.
            the stripes started stirring actively when their COMPETITORS climbed the geyropu actively !!! And again, they began to offer a non-technically more advanced product, NORMAL COMPETITION did not bother, but put a COLT on the forehead of their "partners" !!!
            "The king is naked !!!" it is not clear at all .... up \ r / otym
            1. svp67 23 March 2020 12: 35 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              There are no 5, 6G networks in the "silicone" networks, in any form in their entirety ... but the Chinese have a ready-made 5G project.

              It is not.
              CISCO SYSTEMS, CIENA CORPORATION, AT&T, JUNIPER NETWORKS are leaders in this field.
              1. rocket757 23 March 2020 12: 44 New
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                The leader will be the one who will offer the READY PRODUCT! to have separate developments that are superior to everyone and everything, this is NOT SUFFICIENT if there is nothing WHOLE at the output!
                I do not reduce the scientific and other potential of American companies, it is great, it is, in many ways, advanced! But it is necessary to enter the market with a full-fledged product.
            2. Revolver 24 March 2020 05: 48 New
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              I dare to assure you that in America 5G has been offered to consumers since last year. The same Verizon offered a choice of just the Samsung Galaxy S10 cheaper, and the Samsung Galaxy S10 5G more expensive (about $ 100 when I was interested last time). And by no means on a Chinese hardware base.
              1. rocket757 24 March 2020 06: 45 New
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                Quote: Nagan
                I dare to assure you that in America 5G has been offered to consumers since last year.

                No problem! I took an interest .... there are developments, at the stage here, here, here, a little more, a little and forward. But there are no networks everywhere, only local zones. And yet, for the time being, it’s not enough for consumers ... Moreover, a significant part of the equipment is produced / the devil will be produced where (count in China!) And this is an objective reality. Those. the Yankees, so far, cannot provide a product of their own production for the organization of full-fledged NETWORKS !!! and do not worry that there will be a certain number of 5G phones if there are NO networks!
                The stripes went along the path of BANDITARY RESTRICTIONS and no one can prove to me that they are stronger than Chinese manufacturers at this time. In short, they showed their weakness, since they grabbed the club ... we are not talking about physical education, I hope, but about brains?
                1. Revolver 24 March 2020 19: 58 New
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                  These 5G “local zones” cover almost both coasts, the Atlantic and the Pacific. In Central America, especially in the rural outback, not yet, in some places 4G has not been introduced there. And I don’t know which 5G devices, but they’re definitely not Chinese, since Huawei and a few other manufacturers seem to be under sanctions for the theft of American intellectual property. And rightly so. While they sold stolen in their domestic market as their development, they suffered. Even when they did this in other Asian markets, they suffered. But when they, with cheap copies of CISCO and Motorola, began to supplant the originals from the most profitable Western markets, patience snapped. Especially when it turned out that they specially pushed back doors there, which can be used by Chinese intelligence agencies for espionage.
                  1. rocket757 24 March 2020 21: 11 New
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                    Quote: Nagan
                    Especially when it turned out that they specially pushed back doors there, which can be used by Chinese intelligence agencies for espionage.

                    But this is relevant, because there they want to cram their own.
        2. maidan.izrailovich 23 March 2020 12: 30 New
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          Mostly take famous \ invented earlier and start use differently.

          What does it mean differently? Type "iPhone" to hammer nails?
          It would not hurt to give an example. And it is from that made in China.
        3. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 12: 41 New
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          Since ancient times, the Chinese have specialized in fakes, gathering together parts of fossil animals, posing as an unknown animal. The most interesting thing is that real unknown animals were discovered that they themselves did not understand. In this, probably, their mode of action and luck in different situations
      2. military_cat 23 March 2020 12: 05 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And can you find out what they developed and with what success?
        Their copy of the S-300 (HQ-9) is equipped with a radar with AFAR. In Russia, AFAR long-range air defense systems are planned only for the future S-500.
        1. rocket757 23 March 2020 12: 37 New
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          I won’t say what they’re doing better ... but they’re stepping on the heels already straight, straight.
          This is a normal national economic policy, healthy egoism, etc.
      3. Rhino 23 March 2020 12: 54 New
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        Why so categorically, we also used other people's developments, T-26, BT, aircraft engines, which comes to mind.
      4. Imperial Technocrat 23 March 2020 15: 06 New
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        Huaewei, 5G, space program leaders. In China, the Stalinists are in power. We also recently put on the economy a Stalinist - Mishustina, and this is very good
        1. Doliva63 23 March 2020 19: 29 New
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          Quote: Imperial Technocrat
          Huaewei, 5G, space program leaders. In China, the Stalinists are in power. We also recently put on the economy a Stalinist - Mishustina, and this is very good

          The capitalist-Stalinist ?! belay
          And, I understand, you were joking! laughing drinks
    2. Svarog 23 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      While copying, but they themselves are developing a lot, different.

      Who is stopping us from copying? Moreover, it had to be done. Earlier, about 4 years ago, when the topic of China was raised, many argued that in China rabsila is cheap .. that’s where such a rapid development is .. But now, already 6 years later the situation has changed and in Russia the slave force is cheaper .. Where is the development?
      In fact, the development of China is the merit of the state, which determines the goals, objectives, develops an action plan and puts it into practice, and puts thieving officials against the wall ..
      1. rocket757 23 March 2020 11: 51 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Who is stopping us from copying? Moreover, it had to be done.

        the root word - it was necessary !!! - the transition to the independent development of both will happen! as soon as a scientific school, production base will go its own way of improvement itself ... there is no long wait.
      2. svp67 23 March 2020 11: 54 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        and thieving officials put to the wall ..

        But for some reason, this sad “line-up” doesn’t end, which is no longer good for China in the future.
        1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 12: 34 New
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          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Svarog
          and thieving officials put to the wall ..

          But for some reason, this sad “line-up” doesn’t end, which is no longer good for China in the future.

          Apparently the temptation is so great that you can not resist! "" Everyone imagines himself a strategist! "" laughing wassat In China, the class of officials has existed for more than one thousand years and, probably, the concept of official and theft is inseparable?
          1. svp67 23 March 2020 13: 01 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            In China, the class of officials has existed for more than one thousand years and, probably, the concept of official and theft is inseparable?

            As with us, and here you can add with all sincerity - Sorry
            1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 13: 17 New
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              I forgot, as they say, in my bookmarks there is a book from the middle of the 19th century about the theft of Russian officials, it has never been reprinted.
              He also read about the tyranny of Vietnamese officials before colonization.
              But --- uproot is necessary.
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Reptiloid
              In China, the class of officials has existed for more than one thousand years and, probably, the concept of official and theft is inseparable?

              As with us, and here you can add with all sincerity - Sorry
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    3. voyaka uh 23 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      Absolutely.
      They go from civilian technology to military technology,
      from the civilian economy to the military-industrial complex.
      Therefore, they develop harmoniously.
      1. rocket757 23 March 2020 11: 53 New
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        This is the magic word HARMONY! ... I’ll add, they are like a steam locomotive, for which an embankment has already been poured and the rails are laid, almost to the end!
        1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 12: 29 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          This is the magic word HARMONY! ... I’ll add, they are like a steam locomotive, for which an embankment has already been poured and the rails are laid, almost to the end!

          Over the past 40 years, China has saved 740 million people from poverty, while removing 1 million people annually from poverty. China’s economy is backed by 5 year plans
          1. rocket757 23 March 2020 12: 33 New
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            In China, not everything is straight butter-buttered, yet. But they, unlike many, are working on it! Results will be.
            1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 13: 10 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              In China, not everything is straight butter-buttered, yet. But they, unlike many, are working on it! Results will be.

              Not all of them are oily, and apparently their problems will worsen further, both due to the virus, and because of the stratification in society, which still happens. But --- they are working on it, in any case, doing something .
          2. Loess 23 March 2020 12: 34 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            Over the past 40 years, China has saved 740 million people from poverty, while removing 1 million people annually from poverty.

            It depends on how you count
            - "The threshold of poverty in China is 6,33 yuan per day ($ 1). If a person has to live on less than $ 1 a day, then he can be counted among the poor.
            - annual income .. is less than 2 yuan (about 300 dollars). Or $ 363 a month.
            1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 13: 05 New
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              And if our workers have a salary of about 100 $$$ per month, how much do they live on per day, if you pay a rent, do you need to come to work in a decent form, and not in rags? And is there during working hours? Many people carry boxes and bottles with them, and do not go to the cafe.
              Whatever counts, China has always been a poor country.
              In our city, Chinese tourists for a long time. You can see how much their contingent has changed.
              There was a time when it was very well-dressed youth, well-fed in appearance, who spoke Russian.
              Recently, these are large groups of people of middle and older age, dressed separately, even vice versa. It can be seen that they work with their hands, and often on the street .... I found out that these are short-term vouchers for them.
              1. Loess 23 March 2020 13: 24 New
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                Quote: Reptiloid
                And if our employees have a salary of about $ 100 $ per month,

                In Russia, the poverty threshold is much higher than $ 100. Therefore, no one calls them rich. I just gave an example of counting the “poor”, according to which
                Quote: Reptiloid
                and over the past 40 years, China has saved 740 million people from poverty
                If you raise the "Chinese" poverty line to the Russian level, the numbers will be completely different.
                Although the reverse is true. If the “Russian” poverty line is “lowered” to the Chinese ($ 30,3 per month) level, then it can be safely stated that there are no poor people in Russia.
                1. Reptiloid 23 March 2020 13: 53 New
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                  Loess! Do not leave a comment, a network .... then I will write. ...
      2. dzvero 23 March 2020 11: 54 New
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        As for harmony, I do not agree. There are enough biases in the economy and it is unclear whether they will be able to fix them.
      3. Doliva63 23 March 2020 19: 33 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Absolutely.
        They go from civilian technology to military technology,
        from the civilian economy to the military-industrial complex.
        Therefore, they develop harmoniously.

        That is, they first bought a civilian Su-27 from us, and then made it military? And with the S-300 - the same way? Well, tricks, did not expect! laughing
    4. neri73-r 23 March 2020 13: 34 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      China invests money in all spheres, including in education and research. This gives the country really meaningful "fruits" ...
      While copying, but they themselves are developing a lot, different.

      Until they have fundamental science, everything will be at copy-paste level, namely fundamental, commercially, as a rule, unprofitable science, and not just education.
      1. rocket757 23 March 2020 13: 42 New
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        Quote: neri73-r
        Until they have fundamental science

        When did you read about China? Since the last century, they were not interested in anything, or what?
        They have everything, only young, in relation to other scientific schools. And young, but borzoi sometimes succeeds .... miscellaneous!
        The state invested in the formation of its scientific school, invests them in growing up, and then it will begin to reap the fruits!
        The fetus may not have ripened yet, but it is already white ...
        1. neri73-r 23 March 2020 13: 48 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: neri73-r
          Until they have fundamental science

          When did you read about China? Since the last century, they were not interested in anything, or what?
          They have everything, only young, in relation to other scientific schools. And young, but borzoi sometimes succeeds .... miscellaneous!
          The state invested in the formation of its scientific school, invests them in growing up, and then it will begin to reap the fruits!
          The fetus may not have ripened yet, but it is already white ...

          They have been investing for more than 30 years, but still there! And where there was a fundamental school, there for 30 years from plow to nuclear weapons and flight into space, we ran, and there were no computers that facilitate the solution of the problem!
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          1. rocket757 23 March 2020 15: 05 New
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            Everything is very SIMPLE / DIFFICULT.
            Do not overestimate, do not overestimate. That's all.
            Time is the best judge.
            PS ... not for them, not for them at all, only FOR OURS!
      2. voyaka uh 23 March 2020 20: 10 New
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        "Until they have fundamental science" ////
        ----
        They crowd out leaders - Americans in mathematics, physics.
        They occupy leading positions in quantum communication.
        Chinese universities rank up every decade.
    5. venik 23 March 2020 16: 22 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      China invests money in all spheres, including in education and research. This gives the country really meaningful "fruits" ...
      While copying, but they themselves are developing a lot, different.

      ========
      Partly agree! drinks The Japanese "economic miracle" - also began with a frank "distortion" of foreign technology! Moreover, this process continued for a long time, even when Japan turned into one of the world leaders in the field of high technology and had a very highly developed science and powerful technological potential!
      Do not believe? So at the International Exhibition "Science-80", then I was still a young scientist I saw with my own eyes a spectrometer in the Japanese exposition (in my Toshiba, although I’m afraid to lie, too much time has passed), which was a very accurate copy (moreover, an unlicensed one!) of a British device manufactured not very large, but "widely known in narrow British company circles ......
      The Chinese are repeating the path of their neighbors. Only the process is a little slower .... Will they be able to repeat the path of Japan and as soon as possible become "trendsetters" in the field of high technology? "Chew" - see!
      One side - over 20 years they succeeded colossally and in many areas of BT became if not “trendsetters”, then at least VERY INFLUENT players! But on the other hand, in many areas - they continue to "live by someone else's mind" ... How will it go next? request
  2. _Ugene_ 23 March 2020 11: 10 New
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    firstly, they will continue to copy, secondly, they not only copy, they are also actively developing their base
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    1. China 23 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      China will burst, the United States will die, Europe will fall apart, and the Ukrainians will freeze!
      And only we show the world stability!
  4. China 23 March 2020 11: 14 New
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    Will China fall apart soon?
    Any copying of military technology, sooner or later leads to the collapse of the state ...
    And he who does not copy will live forever! Hooray, we are great!
  5. voyaka uh 23 March 2020 11: 18 New
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    Complete nonsense.
    China has already stopped blind copying for about 15 years and has moved
    to "developments based on foreign designs" and fully
    their developments.
    This can be seen both in their ships of 1-2 classes, and in their aircraft.
    The space program is completely their own. ICBMs of their own.
  6. Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 11: 19 New
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    If this base is borrowed even from the best companies in the world, and if huge funds are allocated for “copying” this base, then production will be buried “in the ceiling” after a short time.

    That is why such problems with VAZ, probably ...
  7. rotmistr60 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
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    The author is right from the part. Of course, using someone else’s technology obtained legally or copying what is received is not entirely legal forever can lead, let us say, to the ossification of the minds of local “Kulibins”. But I doubt that the Chinese military-industrial complex will fall into the crisis, if at all.
  8. gridasov 23 March 2020 11: 26 New
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    Everyone forgets about the search for fundamental solutions that are based specifically on processes related to traditions, the culture of the development of science, and the formulation of effective tasks and solutions. Yes, I understand that so far our fundamental decisions and discoveries are not perceived. But so far they remain in the Slavic world. Therefore, all other technological countries will always be one step behind. Of course, if you take advantage of it here.
  9. Sergei 777 23 March 2020 11: 30 New
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    Copying means lagging behind. This is an old principle that has been around for many years.
    1. AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 36 New
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      Is not a fact. The Japanese also left for copying, but their copies were better than the originals.
  10. prior 23 March 2020 11: 31 New
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    Author. Do not write any more. Do not write at all, than to write such nonsense.
    Because they copied everything, always copied, copied everything.
    Only the inventor of the wheel was ingenious, the rest is copyright with some modernization.
    Children copy, animals copy, plants copy, well, so do the Chinese.
    If they learn to copy well, they will come up with something of their own, and it will be very soon, because they have engineers, like mosquitoes in Siberia, and they, the Chinese, are learning quickly.
    1. gridasov 23 March 2020 11: 44 New
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      Absolutely right! But the wheel was invented at that time with certain tasks and goals, and now it is considered as a complex system of processes. Therefore, I often say that now it’s important not even the new device itself, but the methodology for analyzing all the aggregate processes on this new wheel. And in this context, it is a mover with a fundamentally different process algorithm than the one that is used now.
      1. Nemchinov Vl 23 March 2020 19: 51 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        Absolutely right! But the wheel was invented at that time with certain tasks and goals, and now it is considered as a complex system of processes. Therefore, I often say that now it’s important not even the new device itself, but the methodology for analyzing all the aggregate processes on this new wheel. And in this context, it is a mover with a fundamentally different process algorithm than the one that is used now.
        belay deputy go ?! request minimum regional council ...
  11. Mentat 23 March 2020 11: 33 New
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    This is the problem of the eternal catching up. China does not have any outstanding weapons of its own and with such an approach cannot exist in principle. The same applies to other areas.
  12. evgen1221 23 March 2020 11: 42 New
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    That the author puts a shadow on the fence, never copying when investing his funds and resources in science and his education did not lead to a crisis of new ideas, but here it will lead, wait a minute.
    1. Voltsky 23 March 2020 11: 56 New
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      I support :) this is not even analytics, but just an evil pamphlet ...
    2. Nemchinov Vl 23 March 2020 19: 58 New
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      Quote: evgen1221
      ... never copy when investing their funds and resources in science and their education it didn’t lead to a crisis of new ideas ...
      and it seems to me that our Korolevs did not disdain to get acquainted with the German FAU-1 ?!
      Quote: cniza
      If this base is borrowed even from the best companies in the world, and if huge funds are allocated for “copying” this base, then production will be buried “in the ceiling” after a short time.


      A very true definition, or rather a statement of the objective law of the development of science and technology ...
      oh ?!
  13. 16112014nk 23 March 2020 11: 52 New
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    While China takes quantity, but if everything is done correctly, there will be quality.
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    did not quite understand how ?!

    The first Soviet jet engines were copies, the first distant bombers were also copies ....
    After a while, everything became normal and everything became its own
  15. cniza 23 March 2020 11: 55 New
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    If this base is borrowed even from the best companies in the world, and if huge funds are allocated for “copying” this base, then production will be buried “in the ceiling” after a short time.


    A very true definition, or rather a statement of the objective law of the development of science and technology ...
  16. Pavel57 23 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    The doctrine of Confucius is the ideological basis of copying.
  17. Mentat 23 March 2020 12: 39 New
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    Quote: Mentat
    This is the problem of the eternal catching up. China does not have any outstanding weapons of its own and with such an approach cannot exist in principle. The same applies to other areas.

    Justify your Minusik, anonymous minuser, name outstanding examples of Chinese weapons.
  18. askort154 23 March 2020 12: 47 New
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    Throughout the life of the country, defense industry technicians have been stealing from each other - it was called "spying on the military-industrial complex," and in the civilian sector - "industrial espionage." Only one, stupidly copy, other copies are used in conjunction with their achievements, improving them. A frequent obstacle is the quality of materials and the degree of their processing, which determines the operational resource of the product. China's defense industry initially developed on the Soviet "foundation". The first missile, the first Tu-16 bomber, Kalashnikov, made a lot of money in Ukraine (an aircraft carrier), etc. Now it also receives a lot from Russia .- in aviation and rocket science. Only anti-ship missiles were delivered from 1990 to 2000. several thousand. (3M-80E "Mosquito", 3M-54E1 "Slub S", about 2 thousand X-29T and X-31. China copied everything and sold under its own name left and right.
    So the 4J-7 rocket (sold to Iran -) in 2006, was attacked by the Hazbollah Israeli corvette Hanit, the ship did not sink, but lost 4 members. crew.
    At present, China is the largest owner of intermediate and shorter-range missiles. Third world countries are actively buying Chinese defense industry products. So, the Chinese "printer" is working at full capacity, bringing not a small profit to the country. We and the USA, too, got a lot from Germany, as a result of the Victory over it. And in aviation, and in rocket science. And our Tu-4, a 100% copy of the American B-29. And how many "secrets" were taken to Israel by migrants from the USSR.
    So, the world of “photocopiers” is always cramped.
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  21. V.I.P. 23 March 2020 13: 21 New
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    The Chinese are riveting ships at a pace that the Russian Federation has not dreamed of. They make air defense (ABM) destroyers, although no one sold them to them. Frigates and corvettes, so their number is close to the Americans .. They make ballistic missiles with intercontinental range, hypersonic missiles, invisible planes. Nobody seemed to sell such a thing to them .... Russia buys from them elements for radio electronics (for military) ... Yes, and the USSR in the twenties thirties bought military models for study, copying ... There are no general military post-war work with Germany sense to say. The whole world studied their FAU-1, faustpatrons, night sights, etc. China goes the beaten path.
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    exo 23 March 2020 13: 28 New
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    I completely agree. The acquaintances who had to communicate with the Chinese note one common detail: a complete lack of creativity. Block access to other people's developments and China, will be blown away like a balloon.
    1. evgen1221 23 March 2020 14: 04 New
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      Lack of creativity? Yes, because in 5 years the quality and assortment of aliexpress has risen, you can’t say that there is no own creativity.
  23. Tuzik 23 March 2020 14: 34 New
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    That is why the development of the Chinese military industry resembles a colossus with feet of clay

    I remember one crank about the USSR said so, and added that the Russians themselves can’t think of anything, etc. etc.
  24. Pathos 23 March 2020 14: 36 New
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    Learn to copy well - they will come up with something of their own, and it will be very soon, because they have engineers, like mosquitoes in Siberia, and they, the Chinese, quickly learn. [/ Quote]

    If before that, the virus will not die out like mammoths laughing
  25. Maks1995 23 March 2020 14: 46 New
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    Yeah, everything is so bad for them ...
    On space launches, the first ...
    In terms of arms sales - the second (supposedly, they wrote) ...
    Stealth and drones - makes ... Electronics, auto, citizen. aircraft, engines - too ...
    But laughed at this and 20, and 10 years ago ...

    In fact, they have almost caught up with everything, and in about 10 years they will overtake and laugh at our 2030 Strategy and the power of Siberia ....
    1. Pathos 24 March 2020 09: 58 New
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      Before EURO 2012, Ukraine purchased high-speed Rotem trains from Hyundai in the amount of 10 pcs (Sandal is the most natural laughing ) God, how they broke in the first year, it was just Thrash, it became in the middle of the stage and all neither here nor there, they called the shunting Chmuha and pulled to the station. After that, the Chmukh became known as the Hundavoz laughing So this is the production of South Korea, and for China in general you can not speak at the exit of the depot it will fall apart. As the Chinese Chery and Amulets were strewed, there is not even metal in the same tin and plastic. In Donetsk, there were 2 Skoda high-speed trains fire no complaints. Everyone yells everything is gone. China is ahead of the whole planet. For some reason, China didn’t make anything breakthrough as it trudged behind the United States and Russia will continue to weave, well, breakthrough technologies will not give them technology so they pick up small crumbs. Anyway, if you look from the side, then China is just a huge assembly line that collects and manufactures under foreign licenses.
      1. Maks1995 24 March 2020 10: 13 New
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        It was. However, as many have noted, everything is slowly stretching in quality.
        Engines are still poor, but there are. and more..
        But, surprised, we started to buy railway wheels from them ... And so we boasted of our ...
        1. Pathos 24 March 2020 10: 23 New
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          Yes, everything is bad there; all metal is natural raw with shells and caverns; why not buy railways? wheels through a rollback at state enterprises everything through a rollback the state will throw some more money and in the meantime they will say ayy yay what bad poor-quality wheels they put, we know laughing . There was a Chinese technique he cursed sold and crossed himself with the one to whom she sold she lay down for 3 months. I bought a German soul sings. If you compare it is better to overpay and buy a basin from Togliatti laughing
  26. Jacques Sekavar 23 March 2020 16: 40 New
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    Copy, this is to India. The PRC does not just copy, but acquires knowledge, experience, improves and creates new advanced products. Therefore, unlike India itself, the defense industry of the PRC almost entirely provides the needs of its armed forces with its own production in almost all positions, and India both bought and buys weapons abroad.
  27. Andrey Skripkin 23 March 2020 17: 18 New
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    > But in the world of industry there is a law in which the main factor in determining the pace of development and technological improvement is its own technological experience and its own technological base.

    I wonder who is familiar with this "law" except the author?
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    exo 23 March 2020 17: 57 New
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    Quote: Tuzik
    That is why the development of the Chinese military industry resembles a colossus with feet of clay

    I remember one crank about the USSR said so, and added that the Russians themselves can’t think of anything, etc. etc.

    The problem of the USSR and the Russian Federation is precisely the opposite: we think up perfectly, but the product at the output: is far from perfect. Excluding the defense industry.
  29. Alexey from Perm 23 March 2020 21: 50 New
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    Rave. All copy from each other. The USSR also copied a lot at the time. The Germans copied. USA copied.