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Cult of personality? Let's believe in deeds

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Cult of personality? Let's believe in deeds

Tired of ... How many decades have we been told that we are morons, stupefied by propaganda and therefore unable to see all the harm, all the vileness and terrible cruelty of power in the USSR and, accordingly, in Russia. We are told that everything that happened and is happening in our country is directed exclusively against us.


And we are not laying our lives for Russia, but for some hidden enemies of the state in the Central Committee of the party or the government of the USSR, and today for some oligarchs and the same enemies in the government and parliament of the Russian Federation. In discussions on any issue that interests society today, you will definitely find just such an opinion. "Our soldiers are dying for their interests ..." Next, you can write the name of any oligarch or official of the highest level.

I wonder why my and your grandfathers were so unlucky. They were not lucky to live under the cult of personality of Stalin.

Ancestors were lucky. They were dying for faith, the king and the Fatherland. Even earlier - for Russia and his prince. But the grandfathers, who went on the attack for their homeland, for Stalin, even without realizing it, lived under the cult of personality. And they died for the tyrant, obscurantist, the killer of the innocent and, what is now still in trend, Stalin.

You do not have a question about the sanity of your grandfather or great-grandfather who did not understand this? Do you have any questions for Nikolai Ostrovsky? To the builders of Komsomolsk-on-Amur? But to the thousands of heroes who deliberately went to death during the war, does not arise? To the builders of BAM? To the Vorkuta miners? To the thousands of our very grandfathers and grandmothers who threw a well-fed life in cities and rushed off somewhere to Siberia, the Far East, the Arctic Circle to build, mine, pull oil and gas pipelines? ..

The cult of personality as a refuge of mediocrity


For some reason, we forgot about one strangeness associated with the emergence of a personality cult. I about the fact that this concept appeared not somewhere in liberal minds or in Western democratic brains. They talked about the personality cult ... the communists. After the death of Stalin. And those who actively participated in events that really do not honor the leadership of our country in the 30s of the last century started talking about this.

To argue about why the cult of personality appeared is stupid. Both supporters and opponents of the cult cite hundreds of facts that really were, but which can be interpreted in different ways. It’s enough to just pop something out and forget something. For example, opponents of Stalin speak of the beginning of the formation of a cult in the 20s. And they give a historically existing fact - Stalingrad.

Indeed, in the mid-20s, Tsaritsyn was renamed Stalingrad. I even “throw logs into the fire” of supporters. Then Yuzovka was renamed Stalin (today Donetsk), Dyushambe became Stalinabad (now Dushanbe). A little later they built Stalin (now Novokuznetsk) and Stalinogorsk (now Novomoskovsk). There was even Staliniri (now Tskhinval). Moreover, even Moscow could be renamed Stalinodar. At least, there were such conversations in 1937-39 ...

There - Kaliningrad, Ulyanovsk, Leninsk. Although there were also outstanding pilots, scientists, workers. As a result: Chkalovsk, Stakhanov, Michurinsk ... Renaming is more likely a tradition of those times. cities were named after people always and everywhere. Washington, Constanta, Hamilton, Friedrichsaw, Sherbrooke ...

It sometimes seems to me that after the departure of a truly outstanding personality, a vacuum arises in the minds of people. There is no man, but his work lives on. And in this vacuum and mediocrity rush, performers who also want to become great. But for this it is simply necessary to slander the one who was ahead.

Why are there so many great people in the history of Russia


Studying history of our state, one is struck by one interesting fact. You are amazed at the number of great statesmen who were either born here or became great after moving here. It is almost impossible today to name the greatest of many persons.

Alas, in my opinion, this is not a “special fate of Russia”, not a “providence”, not even a “divine destiny”, no matter how pleasant it is for us to talk about it. Everything is much simpler and more complicated.

We have always been a peasant country. A country based on peasant communities. There were few citizens, and the cities were located quite compactly. In most areas of the city did not go to any comparison with European. These were rather large villages. Hence the features of territorial management.

Hence the emergence of "statesmen" of different caliber, who had nothing to do with the state. All these Emelyan Pugachevs, Stenka Raziny and the like. Does anyone doubt the outstanding organizational skills of such people? By the way, on Red Square there is a monument to one of these nuggets. Remember Kuzma Minin next to Prince Pozharsky?

Russian society, based on a peasant community, did not scatter into its own huts when danger appeared. It independently promoted leaders whom it followed and trusted. Remember the militia of Minin and Pozharsky, remember the partisans of the Patriotic War of 1812, remember the partisans of the Great Patriotic War. How many leaders appeared then! How many personalities appeared from the people.

Again the cult of personality


We are again frightened by the cult of personality. Again, the voices of those who predict great blood are heard. Again remember the Gulag and political prisoners. Sentry, political opponents will soon be killed! .. Soon we will see an “invasion of the great and terrible sculptures” in our squares, as it was under Stalin ...

Although - the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg is already standing. A religious building? Quite. Moreover, they are planning to build a second one - in the capital.

Library named after Yeltsin. Gaidar forums ... Cult? Well, if it is believed that there was a Stalinist cult, then why then these manifestations are not called such.

Somehow imperceptibly for the majority of our concepts have changed. The monument on the square is no longer perceived as a tribute to the memory of a great man, as a tribute to respect, if you will. We are ready to mix the memory of our ancestors with the earth for the sake of some kind of “historical truth”. We reason, sitting in a soft chair in the 21st century, about the military operations of the Second World War. We blame the commanders for the fact that "the losses were disproportionate to the outcome of the operation."

Look at what they reproach us today. We are reproached for the fact that we ourselves, or rather, our generals and marshals, threw people into a bloody meat grinder. And it was necessary as in Europe. Protect people and cities. In short, I had to give up. I once spoke with a veteran who commanded an anti-tank platoon near the village of Kostrovo. By the way, it was there that he later, after the war, came to live.

Yes, they brought them, militias, almost unarmed, to New Jerusalem. Yes, the Germans crushed the militia for two hours tanks. Those who remained came out of the battle armed and evil. Two hours later another train arrived from Moscow. Ghibli echelons! But the Germans were not allowed on. Even this New Jerusalem was surrendered only for a short time.

And this veteran became the commander of the anti-tank platoon only because he found an abandoned magpie with his friends in the forest and stood in the way of the tank column. Eight militias with a 45 mm gun against the tank column ... And he became the platoon commander only because the commander of the rifle regiment saw this gun. In the absence of others, one gun became a platoon ...

Do you think this veteran blamed the authorities for something? No, he understood that his comrades defended Moscow. Let them briefly, but at the cost of their lives restrained the German offensive. And the commanders did not blame the death of comrades. Because the same regiment itself went with a rifle to attack in a chain. Next to ordinary soldiers. Yes, and the generals then went on the attack. Even the marshals.

It’s time to stop talking about the personality cult of anyone. It's not about a cult, but about a tribute to the individual. Why do not we remember the thousands who died during the construction of St. Petersburg? We are talking about Peter the Great. Why aren't we talking about tens of thousands of dead fighters of Suvorov or Kutuzov? We are talking about great commanders.

And the last one. Now it’s very fashionable to talk about the victory of the people. The commander is nothing, the soldier is everything. Anyone who has ever participated in a real battle will tell you about the role of commander. Sorry for such a comparison, but we did not come up with a saying about a lion headed by a flock of sheep, which can disperse a squad of lions headed by a ram. Snipers knock out primarily commanders and signalmen.

To paraphrase the saying already mentioned, I’ll say: we won because lions commanded the squads of lions. Every warrior, no matter what position he held in the war, was a lion. I recently accidentally saw a new feature film called "Corporal". Our Mosfilm film about the smallest soldier of the Great Patriotic War.

For me it was a revelation. The smallest soldier, or rather, corporal, at the end of the war, awarded in 1943 the medal "For Military Merit" was ... born in 1936. And he fought from the very beginning of the war! Hero? Definitely. He is just one of many.

It is impossible to divide soldiers into those who have done more to win or less.

Probably enough to already come up with slops, which then spill over to the dead. We, unlike our grandfathers, can already see the results. What happened to the country during the reign of a leader. Stalin? Which country did he accept and which country did he transmit? Khrushchev? Which country did he receive and which was taken from him? And so for each leader, including the current president.

You just need to look around and see or not see. That's all.
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  1. Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 23 March 2020 10: 40 New
    +43
    "... for this it is simply necessary to slander the one who was in front."

    A trifle always hates giants.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 March 2020 10: 41 New
      +27
      Stalin is real . Cult personalitywhat he is, on business in history ...
      1. DMB 75
        DMB 75 23 March 2020 11: 03 New
        +44
        There was a great country, I know that for sure. And now? Is there a personality cult (who is the season), only the country is completely different in terms of economic and social development from the USSR.
        1. Atilla
          Atilla 23 March 2020 11: 14 New
          -87
          Who is this author? Caressed by this power, which is now in power, most likely. Yes, in the West they tried to protect people, but what did they do wrong? And the United States did not break up like the Soviet Union maybe because they did not have total lies and hypocrisy, and there was no personality cult there, but there were people who simply respected and still respect, such as Roosevelt, Thatcher or Churchill.
          1. Alex_1973
            Alex_1973 23 March 2020 12: 10 New
            +63
            Atilla
            And the United States did not fall apart as the USSR can because they did not have total lies and hypocrisy
            Is it in the US that there is no lies and hypocrisy? Aw, sick of you from which planet fell to us? Yes, the United States is woven from lies and hypocrisy, this is the essence of this state. They even have smiles artificially hypocritical, behind them there is no real feeling.
            Thatcher or Churchill
            And these two stuffed with what side to the United States?
            but there were people who were simply respected and respected so far
            And who told you that Stalin is not respected?


            Find a photo of Roosevelt’s grave drowning in flowers like the grave of Stalin? You can’t be puffed up, here it is:
            As they say find the 10 differences ...
            1. Alex_1973
              Alex_1973 23 March 2020 12: 16 New
              +35
              From this angle, one can clearly see WHOM of the leaders and HOW they love!
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 23 March 2020 17: 04 New
                +22
                Stalin created a GREAT country - a historical dream for ordinary people about a just life!
                And Yeltsin created himself in power in the form of the “Tsar Boris” of the Russian Federation ruled by the liberals — on one of the fragments of the GREAT Soviet state.

                Ordinary people over time correctly evaluate the personality cults of Stalin and the same Yeltsin. Namely.

                On the night of August 24, 2012, on the anniversary of the defeat of the GKChP, a monument to Boris Yeltsin from Chinese marble was drenched with blue paint in Yekaterinburg, which was the first to be discovered by random passers-by early in the morning. Judging by the scale, height and density of the “grounding” (the memorial is a 10-meter white marble stele with a full-length bas-relief of Yeltsin), a "group of people" acted - one person could hardly have done it. Also, according to the local police, marble letters were broken, of which the inscription "Yeltsin" was composed on the monument.


                The monument to Yeltsin "turned blue" on the anniversary of the Emergency Committee. Aug 24 2012 year
                1. Private89
                  Private89 25 March 2020 19: 37 New
                  +3
                  I heard the story that somehow some craftsmen coated this monument to Yeltsin with bear fat and the next day all the dogs in the district came running barking at the monument, symbolically. Now the guard seems to have been assigned, such is the popular "love."
            2. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 13: 19 New
              +14
              For my own sake, for comparison, I can also throw a couple of photos from the graves of Churchill and Thatcher (about Thatcher I’m not at all sure that this is a grave, but the search engine does not give out other photos).


              Something is not observed "great love" and honor from grateful descendants. At least their graves cannot be compared with Stalin. Not a single search engine gives out the graves of Roosevelt, Churchill and Thatcher, drowning in flowers. At the same time, it is difficult to find a photo of Stalin’s grave without flowers.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 March 2020 15: 34 New
                +7
                In fairness, they hardly have even one grave drowning in flowers. And not because the rulers were bad. But because the mentality is trite different. It is not customary to fill up monuments with flowers. Plus, on top of everything else, they have one prime minister little different from the other, just like the president in the United States. Political systems function properly under any ruler. The standard of living under any ruler remains quite high. Therefore, the situation in the country is not so dependent on a specific person, as it happens all the way with us. And therefore, the population of Great Britain and the USA do not actively compare all past rulers with current ones, and in general sometimes do not remember most of them.
                1. smphantom
                  smphantom 26 March 2020 11: 17 New
                  0
                  .... The standard of living under any ruler remains quite high ....
                  Fattened at someone else's expense.
                  Weather, disease, the Yankees all the fun is just beginning. Our 90s seem to them a children's holiday laughing
              2. albert
                albert 23 March 2020 19: 11 New
                +9
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Not a single search engine gives the graves of Roosevelt, Churchill and Thatcher, drowning in flowers

                About Thatcher. Remember how the British walked and had fun when they heard about her death. Even they sang a song about this - "Ding-dong, the witch is dead."
                1. Wow
                  Wow 23 March 2020 21: 00 New
                  -19
                  Someone is sad, someone is crying and someone is having fun. How many English have fun? Give me the numbers?
          2. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 23 March 2020 12: 21 New
            +38
            Atilla
            ..in the west they tried to protect people ....

            Have you composed this fairy tale yourself? Or was there enough mind just to retell someone else's delirium?
            Have you heard about the Great Depression in the USA? So admire how people were cherished there.

            In the agricultural states alone, 8 million died of starvation.
            And this despite the fact that in the USA there was no post-revolutionary and post-war devastation.
            1. Avior
              Avior 23 March 2020 13: 25 New
              -22
              . In the agricultural states alone, 8 million died of starvation.

              Many times I saw different figures on this subject, but I never saw confirmations.
              Can you give a link to a decent source?
              It’s just that in the West they often publish mountains of all kinds of yellow garbage with pseudo-sensations, so I’d like to understand where the number of millions of starvation victims came from ....
              1. naidas
                naidas 24 March 2020 17: 10 New
                +7
                Quote: Avior
                Can you give a link to a decent source?

                Borisov Boris - The American Famine
                https://royallib.com/book/borisov_boris/golodomor_poamerikanski.html
                The official data of the US statistical office, which Borisov used. In the USA, the actual presence of citizens was found out only at the time of the census, and they were carried out in 1930, 1940 and 1950.
                How it was done by Steinbeck The Bunches of Wrath and Lange (Dorothea).
                http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/ft3f59n5wt/dsc/?dsc.position=15001#omca_724
                Here, a selection of jobs in the employment service in the early days stood 10million. Benefit for 4 months at 1-2 dollars per day. What does she not write to people further.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 24 March 2020 20: 28 New
                  -2
                  looked honestly
                  according to the first link, some conspiracy theological theory without a single reference to the sources and the slightest hint of scientific presentation, so there’s nothing to discuss there, with such rubbish the Internet is littered with all known cases in history.
                  I looked at discussions on the Internet, they write and give data that the author manipulated statistics, and there is no confirmation of his theory.
                  https://faf2000.livejournal.com/12938.html
                  https://nazar-rus.livejournal.com/42121.html
                  Another story from the series "100 million shot in the Gulag"
                  Who is this author - did not find anywhere mention of his scientific work.
                  the second link is not a word about the death of 8 million people.
                  not to mention the fact that in the post above 8 million people died only in the agricultural States, this Borisov first has 7 million in all the States, but then in that article the figure drops to five.
                  Why the United States has not been blamed for the mass deaths of people according to these long-open data, the author modestly does not explain.
                  Steinbeck The Grapes of Wrath is an art book
                  I would still like to see a serious source, if any, and not just another Internet trash.
                  hi
                  1. Sergey Zhikharev
                    Sergey Zhikharev 25 March 2020 20: 20 New
                    +2
                    Interesting girls are dancing.
                    20 million in the Gulag, 100 million in the Gulag calculated by the method - the truth.
                    1 million raped German women determined stat.by - true.
                    The Gulag Archipelago is an art book - true.
                    And if, according to this technique, the losses of Europeans or the United States are considered, then no, this is not right.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 March 2020 20: 26 New
                      0
                      if 100 million people shot in the Gulag are true for you, then add another 50 starvation deaths to the USA - your views on the world will not change much from this
                      1. Sergey Zhikharev
                        Sergey Zhikharev 25 March 2020 20: 28 New
                        +2
                        if for you 100 million shot in the gulag is true

                        No, it's not true.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 25 March 2020 21: 38 New
                        0
                        then, probably, it makes sense not to change the criteria for evaluating information, depending on the desire to believe in some hi
                    2. Titus
                      Titus 27 March 2020 13: 39 New
                      0
                      Then there can be 8 Indians from smallpox in blankets and 7 people due to starvation ... buffaloes were destroyed by white people.
                  2. smphantom
                    smphantom 26 March 2020 11: 21 New
                    0
                    Comrade writhing from the fact that hail on the hill is covered by clouds ....
                2. naidas
                  naidas 25 March 2020 23: 38 New
                  +1
                  You asked, as if you were interested, I replied to the article in response to your links:
                  About the red and white "confrontation"
                  The Holodomor is American. Continuation of official statistics.
                  The second on the topic, the author explains the lack of population growth by migration of 10 thousand per year.
                  Then we did not have any hunger, because the population, unlike the USA, was growing.
                  You won’t get American loss figures, it’s unpatriotic, but the Lange link (according to your official person is Internet trash) for a person working in US government agencies. Among other things, that 8 million registered in the first days receiving 1-2 dollars a day for 4 months , then they themselves. The question is not even how to live on it, but what happened to them next.
                  Steinbeck the Grapes brought an eyewitness to how they fought hunger in the United States. Do you find that Stalin also destroyed food? (Well, probably only infected grain).
                  I don’t know about 8 in the village, about 100 fiction.
          3. Wow
            Wow 23 March 2020 21: 21 New
            -10
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            In the agricultural states alone, 8 million died of starvation.

            Have you come up with? or did the Great Pooh suggest? Studies have shown that lying adversely affects relationships, and even harms health.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 23 March 2020 12: 45 New
          +21
          respect is not so simple. the states did not have a destroyed country. states did not fight for survival as the USSR. It’s stupid not to see the difference in this. you can’t save if you need to win. you cannot win saving every life. these things cannot be interconnected. under conditions of total war, you physically cannot win if you pay attention to losses, no matter how cruel it sounds. crossing any water barrier is always a huge sacrifice. an offensive is always a huge loss. do you think it’s just ascribed to have a three-fold advantage on the offensive? a strategic offensive is impossible without constant supply of personnel and weapons, for losses grow in proportion to the assigned tasks. Etc., there is no need to surrender a country like France. but to win and survive is a feat.
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        4. Jager
          Jager 26 March 2020 18: 17 New
          +2
          I have a house nearby older than the United States. Compare with Luxembourg, pah. Endless wars, revolutions, upheavals. And who is there? Mexico with Canada?
        5. Yury Siritsky
          Yury Siritsky 28 March 2020 12: 22 New
          0
          Where did you come down to write such nonsense can a person only appear on a white light.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 24 March 2020 12: 55 New
        -20
        Quote: DMB 75
        and social development in the USSR.

        What kind of social development are you sculpting about? This is not even funny. Life expectancy is almost half that, the life of the majority of the population in a communal apartment, the inability to buy food from the majority of the population is this social development? And not only under Stalin. Novocherkassk remind? The only normal period is the end of the 60s and the beginning of the 80s, and then with a total lack of everything and everything.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 March 2020 11: 34 New
      +35
      Quote: Insurgent
      Stalin is real. The cult of personality, as it is, for affairs in history.

      I agree completely. But the same cult can be attributed to Napoleon and other Great people. And the cult was most real among mediocrities, such as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, this is a cult, and I.V. Stalin is the Greatest Leader of the country.
      1. ser56
        ser56 23 March 2020 14: 20 New
        -37
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I.V. Stalin is the Greatest Leader of the country.

        Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 March 2020 15: 00 New
          +12
          Quote: ser56
          Do not voice what his greatness is?

          A very respected person, an Israeli citizen, Jacob Kedmi, will better answer this.
          1. ser56
            ser56 23 March 2020 15: 27 New
            -26
            Quote: tihonmarine
            A very respected person, an Israeli citizen, Jacob Kedmi, will better answer this.

            Yes, I’m not very interested in the opinion of foreigners about the history of our country ... request
            This is for the Communists and their supporters, gurus over the hill - then K. Marx, then Kedmi ... wink
            1. naidas
              naidas 24 March 2020 17: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: ser56
              among the victims?

              Zemsky estimated throughout the USSR at 2,5% of the population of the USSR.
              1. ser56
                ser56 24 March 2020 18: 19 New
                -7
                Quote: naidas
                Zemsky estimated throughout the USSR at 2,5% of the population of the USSR.

                Is it not enough? However, he did not consider the exiled fists to be victims ... request Do you agree with that?
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 24 March 2020 20: 17 New
                  +5
                  Quote: ser56
                  Is it not enough? Moreover, he did not consider the exiled fists to be victims ... Do you agree with this?

                  Firstly, exiled fists are not shot fists.
                  Secondly, are they victims? - They are bloodsuckers, which fellow villagers got rid of.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 25 March 2020 11: 31 New
                    -7
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Secondly, are they victims? - They are bloodsuckers, which fellow villagers got rid of.

                    Fists bloodsuckers? So maybe the current farmers bloodsuckers? let's shoot them too. Sheer nonsense.
                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 25 March 2020 11: 39 New
                      +5
                      So maybe the current farmers bloodsuckers?

                      If the debtors cultivate the land to them “I will” (half) the crop, while giving money in growth will be banned, they will be bloodsuckers wink
                      And if they start beating and killing collective farm activists, they will also burn collective farm buildings and go to jail laughing
                    2. ser56
                      ser56 25 March 2020 12: 11 New
                      -5
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      If debtors cultivate the land to them, “I will” (half) the crop, while they will forbid giving money to growth, they will be bloodsuckers

                      you don’t know the history of the USSR, after 1921 the kulaks usually employed seasonal workers, no more! They paid a special tax for this and did not have voting rights ...
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      And if they start beating and killing collective farm activists, they will also burn collective farm buildings and go to jail

                      you read a Short Course .... request in 1927 the state decided to rob the wealthy peasants - hence the Bread crisis, and then collectivization ...
                    3. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 25 March 2020 12: 54 New
                      +4
                      you do not know the history of the USSR

                      A source?
                      You have read the Short Course ...

                      Summary of the NKVD.
                    4. ser56
                      ser56 25 March 2020 13: 18 New
                      -5
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      A source?

                      reliable
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      Summary of the NKVD.

                      laid out here archival - horror ... request
                    5. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 25 March 2020 15: 55 New
                      +2
                      reliable

                      Do you understand that this is not serious?
                    6. ser56
                      ser56 25 March 2020 17: 32 New
                      -3
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      Do you understand that this is not serious?

                      Are you talking about scans of secret documents of the NKVD? and then what is serious? Newspaper propaganda? bully
                    7. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 25 March 2020 17: 58 New
                      +3
                      you about scans

                      OGPU report notes have not been secret for a long time.
                      I understand correctly, you can’t answer where did you get the information?
                    8. ser56
                      ser56 25 March 2020 18: 39 New
                      -4
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      I understand correctly, you can’t answer where did you get the information?

                      are you about fists? hi
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 26 March 2020 16: 03 New
          -4
          Quote: strannik1985
          If debtors cultivate their land

          The peons worked for them, and then not for everyone. Fists were not the same either.
          Quote: strannik1985
          "gross" (half) of the crop,

          What do you mean?
          Quote: strannik1985
          while giving money to growth will be banned

          Giving money to growth is normal.
          Quote: strannik1985
          And if they start beating and killing collective farm activists

          lol Smiled so smiled. But what kind of collective farm activists?
          Quote: strannik1985
          burn collective farm buildings also go to prison

          The Soviet government takes the land from them, and then they should have looked at it calmly?)
          All the fault of the kulaks before you and people like you is that they were against the Bolsheviks, that’s all. And all the other tales about bloodsuckers are all attempts to justify those rivers of blood of peasants that spilled thanks to the Bolsheviks.
      2. ser56
        ser56 25 March 2020 12: 12 New
        -7
        Quote: CSKA
        Sheer nonsense.

        no, this is politics ... the hornbeam has been looted ... only modern red-bellied people have little knowledge of history, after the robbery there will be hunger, and then they will starve for a long time ... request
      3. naidas
        naidas 25 March 2020 21: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: ser56
        only modern red-bellied people do not know history well

        Do you know how Stolypin spoke about fists in 1904? in a report to Nicholas 2? Share a connoisseur of history.
        The red-bellied ones in 1926 had an average age of 44 g., And in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1913, 30 years.
      4. ser56
        ser56 26 March 2020 11: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: naidas
        Do you know how

        if you want to say something - say ... bully
        Quote: naidas
        The red-bellied ones in 1926 had an average age of 44 g., And in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1913, 30 years.

        Do you believe Soviet statistics? bully If it was no secret in 1926, could you go to a demonstration against the CPSU (b)? Or organize an economic strike by workers for their rights? Or were there other political / economic rights? There was a cruel and bloody dictatorship in the country ... request
      5. naidas
        naidas 28 March 2020 14: 54 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        if you want to say something - say

        That's it, and then an expert on the history of parallel worlds has been discovered. Study the history of the Earth for a start.
        In 1904, Peter Stolypin wrote to Nicholas 2: “At present, a stronger peasant is usually turning into a kulak, an exploiter of his fellow students, in the figurative expression - a world-eater.
        Quote: ser56
        Do you believe Soviet statistics?

        Here again, there is no knowledge of the history of Russia. No one can understand how the statistics were conducted in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR since 1921. One can argue about the methodology, but since 1921 statistics can be talked about as statistics, not as a sample.
      6. ser56
        ser56 28 March 2020 17: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: naidas
        that's it ,

        if not a secret - what are you talking about? Do you think there are people who know everything? bully
        Quote: naidas
        and then an expert on the history of parallel worlds was discovered. Study the history of the Earth for a start.

        that you are not a well-mannered person - I already understood ... hi
        Quote: naidas
        in figurative expression - a world-eater.

        So what? this is a normal law of development in the economy ...
        Quote: naidas
        Here again, no knowledge of the history of Russia.

        do you understand yourself bully
        Quote: naidas
        Not a clue how statistics were conducted in RI

        only to you ... I recommend the statistics book 1913 - it is on the Web ....
        Quote: naidas
        but since 1921 statistics can be spoken of as statistics, not as a sample.

        are mistaken ... for example, do you know how grain yields were estimated in the 20-30s? hi
      7. naidas
        naidas 30 March 2020 21: 22 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        if not a secret - what are you talking about? Do you think there are people who know everything?

        about history, a man claims that a connoisseur in the middle
        Quote: ser56
        only modern red-bellied people have little knowledge of history, after the robbery there will be hunger, and then they will starve for a long time.

        But in fact he doesn’t even know the basics, he’s talking nonsense,
        Quote: ser56
        that you are not a well-mannered person - I already understood.
        Of course this is only for the cultural, who also know the story.
        Quote: ser56
        only to you ... I recommend the statistics book 1913 - it is on the Web ..
        I wrote about these statistics, I recommend from this collection XIV. EDUCATION. EDUCATION. THE SCIENCE. PRINTING
        1.1 1. Primary, secondary general and special education

        under the first table (A.P. Korelin) -Korelin Avenir Pavlovich (09.11.1933/08.12.2017/XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX),
        Well, connoisseur: as in the 1913 collection of koment of a man who gave birth in 1933.
        And here’s the opinion of the witnesses: according to M. Superansky, “Elementary public school in the Simbirsk province” ... In general, there were very few literate peasants. Sometimes in the whole village there was not one literate. Even among specific peasants, the posts of elders and elders were often filled by illiterate people. The school did not instill a love of books, which were difficult for peasants to get, and therefore those who had passed the school soon forgot their literacy with difficulty and to a lesser extent ...

        The average salary of workers was taken from the Kiev exhibition, and there, of course, the participants were workers, but not at the machine tool.
        In the USSR, for wrong statistics, you can also grab a bullet-People’s Commissariat, and they were engaged in collecting data as complete as possible, and not how they took the region in the Republic of Ingushetia, which means that in their own country.
      8. ser56
        ser56 31 March 2020 17: 34 New
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        Quote: naidas
        this is only for cultural ones who also know history.

        I'm too lazy to understand your complexes - go to a psychoanalyst ... request
        Quote: naidas
        there were very few peasants

        my grandfather, 1900gr - was literate and constantly read .... from peasants from Altai .... people are different and now ... request
        Quote: naidas
        In the USSR, for wrong statistics, you can also grab a bullet-People’s Commissariat, and they were engaged in collecting data as complete as possible, and not how they took the region in the Republic of Ingushetia, which means that in their own country.

        1) you do not know well Soviet statistics - you got a bullet for data that the authorities didn’t like ... request
        2) To find out the taste of the soup, you don’t have to eat it all ... hi however it is difficult for you ... repeat
      9. naidas
        naidas 31 March 2020 18: 16 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        I am too lazy to understand your complexes - go to a psychoanalyst.

        And you are impudent, to you some free lectures on history and for free, but in response to your culture, this is it.
        Quote: ser56
        1) you do not know well Soviet statistics - you received a bullet for data that the authorities did not like.

        This is generally nonsense and again ignorance - for the fact that they shot the People's Commissariat - just for the opposite said by you.
      10. ser56
        ser56 April 1 2020 16: 30 New
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        Quote: naidas
        give you some free lectures on history

        stupid things ... request
        Quote: naidas
        for which they shot the People’s Commissariat-just for the opposite said by you.

        you are sorry because of both the lack of knowledge and the ability to comprehend the facts ... then comes the flood - write to the PM request
  2. CSKA
    CSKA 31 March 2020 09: 57 New
    0
    Quote: ser56
    no, this is politics ... the hornbeam is looted.

    I now believe that to rob the loot is also a thief. And it’s only for them that the kulaks or the nobleman’s immediately looted. And of course, the bourgeoisie also robbed them. They still have the thinking of the beginning of the 20th century.
  3. ser56
    ser56 31 March 2020 17: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: CSKA
    what to rob the loot is also to be a thief

    I agree - that was exactly what Stalin was - he was engaged in robberies and racket ... request
  4. DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina 25 March 2020 14: 30 New
    +7
    Quote: CSKA
    bloodsuckers

    Funny, but, in fact, the fists were bloodsuckers. Their modern counterparts are microcredit organizations.
  5. CSKA
    CSKA 31 March 2020 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: DeusExMachina
    Funny, but, in fact, the fists were bloodsuckers. Their modern counterparts are microcredit organizations.

    Why are you straight fists engaged only in usury. A small percentage, and then you know what percentage they gave. And to engage in usury is not illegal. First of all, the bulk were peasants, speaking modern language by farmers. And of course they need hired workers to cultivate their land. As well as around the world they are hired. The peasant himself, who has expanded his production, is physically incapable of alone managing his farm.
    I repeat once again. All the fault of the kulaks in front of people like you is about what they went against the Bolsheviks.
  6. DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina 31 March 2020 10: 33 New
    0
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: DeusExMachina
    Funny, but, in fact, the fists were bloodsuckers. Their modern counterparts are microcredit organizations.

    Why are you straight fists engaged only in usury. A small percentage, and then you know what percentage they gave. And to engage in usury is not illegal. First of all, the bulk were peasants, speaking modern language by farmers. And of course they need hired workers to cultivate their land. As well as around the world they are hired. The peasant himself, who has expanded his production, is physically incapable of alone managing his farm.
    I repeat once again. All the fault of the kulaks in front of people like you is about what they went against the Bolsheviks.

    Lying. Engaged in usury in conjunction with the use of wage labor. And the percentage there was not "small." A quarter of the harvest is the minimum. Mostly about a third. In the rest, half.
    Thus, the fists themselves, through their actions, earned the popular "Love". Plus, many of them, as a result, were engaged in subversive activities after the establishment of Soviet power. You can justify them as much as you want, justify their activities, tell tales of “honest and efficient farmers,” but you can’t hide this anymore.
  7. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 25 March 2020 15: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: CSKA
    Fists bloodsuckers? So maybe the current farmers bloodsuckers? let's shoot them too. Sheer nonsense.

    And the current ones, which employ wage labor even worse, many of them even have real slaves.
  8. CSKA
    CSKA 31 March 2020 12: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    And current ones that use wage labor are even worse

    What are you? And what? What give people a job?
    Quote: Alexander Green
    many of them even have real slaves.

    I don’t even see the point of commenting on this nonsense.
  9. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 31 March 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    Quote: CSKA
    What are you? And what? What give people a job?

    Well, of course, they all consider themselves benefactors, and are offended when you call them exploiters.
    And slaves today are the most real. Pheromers, entrepreneurs pick up homeless people, visitors, take away their documents and force them to work, they beat, they don’t pay money. About such cases, even on TV repeatedly showed stories.
  10. naidas
    naidas 25 March 2020 21: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: CSKA
    Fists bloodsuckers?

    Such is the opinion of both the Bolsheviks and Stolypin: In 1904, Peter Stolypin wrote to Nicholas 2: “At present, a stronger peasant is usually turning into a fist, an exploiter of his comrades-in-arms, in a figurative expression - a world-eater.
  • ser56
    ser56 25 March 2020 12: 07 New
    -5
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Firstly, exiled fists are not shot fists.

    those. all those imprisoned in the Gulag, but not shot, are not victims ... amusing ...
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Secondly, are they victims? - They are bloodsuckers, which fellow villagers got rid of.

    Now it’s clear - another red-bellied humane ... bully re-read Sholokhov or the article of the ITT Dizziness from success ...
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 25 March 2020 15: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: ser56
      those. all those who were imprisoned in the Gulag, but not shot, are not victims ... amusing ..

      They put him in a gulag for crimes.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 March 2020 15: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Quote: ser56
      those. all those who were imprisoned in the Gulag, but not shot, are not victims ... amusing ..

      They put him in a gulag for crimes.

      And the citizen generally has an alien perception ... He believes that white officers who used tanks a couple of times under the guidance of English instructors already had ready personnel for guiding tank corps who perfectly knew the tactics and strategy of using mechanical units, that the same white officers from the Crimea would have completely fallen for the post sergeants and lieutenants in 1941, being (if they were alive) already of unapproachable age, that only political were in the GULAGs - for criminals they probably built a separate punishment system ... and so on and so on ...
    3. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 17: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: mat-vey
      And the citizen generally alien perception

      there are enough fools in Russia the Great ... bully
    4. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 March 2020 17: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: ser56
      Quote: mat-vey
      And the citizen generally alien perception

      there are enough fools in Russia the Great ... bully

      How do you characterize your alien thinking self-critically and accurately .. And the main thing is short.
    5. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 17: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: mat-vey
      your alien thinking

      I am Russian, and you, although I am not a doctor, have serious problems ... I don’t see the point of discussing with you! request
    6. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 March 2020 18: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: ser56
      discuss with you I do not see the point!

      And discussions with you cannot take place in principle - your myths and fairy tales have long been disassembled and debated to holes.
      PySy - uvaz that besides the "Spark" there is no other literature at hand?
    7. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 18: 43 New
      -1
      Quote: mat-vey
      And with you, there can be no discussion in principle

      you forgot about the aliens ... it seems Krylov acted ... bully
    8. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 March 2020 14: 22 New
      0
      Quote: ser56
      you forgot about aliens ..

      And what is this conclusion based on?
  • ser56
    ser56 25 March 2020 17: 16 New
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Green
    They put him in a gulag for crimes.

    Do not tell the crimes of Polikarpov? repeat
  • naidas
    naidas 25 March 2020 22: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: ser56
    Do not tell the crimes of Polikarpov?

    Read the wiki:
    October 24, 1929 Polikarpov was arrested on charges of "participating in a counter-revolutionary wrecking organization" and sent to work in a prison KB. Here he created the I-5 fighter (was in service for 9 years), after a demonstration flight of which the designer was amnestied before Stalin on July 7, 1931.
    AIF from 30.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX writes:
    - For Sikorsky, he called Polikarpov with him
    - sneezed at the party, dared to Stalin and defiantly went to church.
    Now only for insulting the president: Correctional labor up to 1 year of article 319 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
    How much did the Bolsheviks give the Polikarpov monsters there?
    Polikarpov, and after his release in public, dared to Stalin.
  • ser56
    ser56 26 March 2020 12: 00 New
    0
    Quote: naidas
    Read the wiki:

    I read his biography ...
    Quote: naidas
    - For Sikorsky, he called Polikarpov with him

    if not a secret - what does Polikarpov have to do with it?
    Quote: naidas
    sneezed at the party
    terrible sin ... bully
    Quote: naidas
    dared to Stalin
    maybe he was telling the truth and his opinion? was not a sneak ...
    Quote: naidas
    and defiantly went to church.
    is that a crime? By the way, they forgot - his father was an archbishop ... request
    Quote: naidas
    How much did the Bolsheviks give the Polikarpov monsters there?

    shooting ...
    Quote: naidas
    Polikarpov, and after his release in public, dared to Stalin.

    Sir, you are a coward and a loafer in your soul, you cannot understand a normal person ... request
    The one you described above does not contain a corpus delicti ... request
  • naidas
    naidas 28 March 2020 14: 47 New
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    Quote: ser56
    Sir, you are a coward and a loafer in your soul, you cannot understand a normal person

    If you read the biography, then served a little more than 1,5 years.
    Quote: ser56
    The one you described above does not contain a corpus delicti ..

    Article 319 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation does not contain a corpus delicti? Then why does it exist?
    And Penza anarchists in 2020 to 20 years.
    Yes, and the church from 1917 and in the early 20's showed itself as opponents of the Bolsheviks.
  • ser56
    ser56 28 March 2020 17: 02 New
    0
    Quote: naidas
    If you read the biography, then served a little more than 1,5 years.

    few? the sentence - execution - remained ...
    Quote: naidas
    Article 319 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation does not contain a corpus delicti? Then why does it exist?

    1) are you asking me?
    2) "Public insult of a representative of the authorities in the performance of his official duties or in connection with their performance - shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to forty thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to three months, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to three hundred sixty hours, or correctional labor for up to one year.
    Source: http://stykrf.ru/319 "
    Do you understand the difference between "daring" and public insult? Or write without thinking? bully
  • naidas
    naidas 30 March 2020 21: 30 New
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    Quote: ser56
    few? the sentence - execution - remained ...

    For an open visit to an organization that opposed the Bolsheviks?
    Try now openly visit those who are against the state.
    Quote: ser56
    Do you understand the difference between "daring" and public insult? Or write without thinking?

    Are you sure that the rejection of the party and going to church in the 20s is not public? I suppose, in the order of delirium for those years, a declaration of the settlement of the word. Or do you still have an explanation?
    They read a biography and didn’t know that he had served a little more than 1,5 years. How did they read through the page? I don’t know that he was offered to go abroad, I don’t know about the refusal of the party.
  • naidas
    naidas 25 March 2020 22: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: ser56
    re-read Sholokhov or the article of the ITT Dizziness from success ...

    There is also "For which the inhabitants of the village of Poltava are evicted from the Kuban to the northern regions." A. Radin, L. Shaumyan, 1932
    Read and enjoy:
    - only 30 percent are now seeded.
    - last year, in the autumn sowing, the lands did not plow properly, they sowed, sown part of the seeds were plundered and not sown, then in the summer they didn’t weed areas,
    -In the agricultural credit partnership Kovtun - in the past - the assistant of the village chieftain. When a poor man came to a partnership for a loan, they gave him 3-5 rubles only if he brought a written guarantee of two wealthy villagers.
    -The village of Poltava today has been collectivized by only about one-third, about two-thirds were single-handed, and a huge amount of the poor, middle peasants and even former red partisans were left behind the collective farm. Nazarenko, Kovtun, Yurchenko and their friends needed "their" collective farm, the poor, the middle peasants were useless on "their" collective farm.
    - At the hottest time, joining a collective farm did not exceed 40 percent, and even that was mainly due to adolescents, sometimes directly to children who, however, received workdays on an equal basis with adults. And adults only delved into private gardens and vineyards, speculating in the bazaars with bread, wine and grapes.
    -Plowed in Poltava continuous flaws. Late grain was thrown into the ground, dooming the sowing to death in advance. Production rates were not met.
    - Pest sowing, on which the sown strip alternated with a wide strip of weeds, was not taken by any machine during harvesting, the mowers broke.
    - in the village of Poltava there are almost no foals. A Cossack, once famous for his love of a horse, rakes the collective farm uterus on the belly with a rake!

    What do you think Sholokhov will write about this?
  • ser56
    ser56 26 March 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: naidas
    What do you think Sholokhov will write about this?

    1) Sholokhov wrote to Stalin about collectivization ...
    2) Just think - why people did not want to work ... request
  • naidas
    naidas 28 March 2020 14: 35 New
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    Quote: ser56
    Sholokhov wrote to Stalin about collectivization ..

    Sholokhov wrote about party excesses, if you read his letters and investigations of his letters, pay attention to the party members too. In 1937, Stalin admitted that from 1922 -37. 1,5 million expelled from the party
    Quote: ser56
    Just think - why people did not want to work.

    And this is understandable, a freebie, everyone has been equalized, you can not work, the state can be taken care of, plus others have not been allowed to turn around. Whoever wanted to work, for me, is an example of my dispossessed ancestors.
  • ser56
    ser56 28 March 2020 16: 59 New
    0
    Quote: naidas
    about party excesses

    funny ....
    Quote: naidas
    Who wanted to work

    for people to work, they need to be organized and motivated .... request
  • naidas
    naidas 30 March 2020 21: 33 New
    0
    Quote: ser56
    for people to work, they need to be organized and motivated

    How is it now? As with the NEP?
    You argue as a sadist. Stolypin, in justification of organization and motivation, referred to the time that he would judge and the blood in the hands of the executioner would separate him from the blood in the hands of the doctor.
    The task was to survive for everyone, and not the most working and strong, the rest for recycling.
  • ser56
    ser56 31 March 2020 17: 39 New
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    Quote: naidas
    How is it now? As with the NEP?

    the criterion of truth is practice .... It was during the NEP that agricultural industry was restored .... and now in stores everything is blocked request
    Quote: naidas
    You reason like a sadist

    that you are poorly cultured and educated - I know ... hi

    Quote: naidas
    The task was to survive for everyone, and not the most working and strong, the rest for recycling.

    the destruction of the strong and hard working inevitably leads to the hunger of all ... request but it’s difficult for you ... hi
  • naidas
    naidas 31 March 2020 18: 13 New
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    Quote: ser56
    It was under the NEP that agricultural industry was restored

    And also the tension in the village began to resemble the pre-revolutionary (5% of kulaks for 35% of the poor), the boycott of bread delivery at state prices, the revival of homelessness. You should have continued, then one side was enriched, the other looked at it and decided why 1917, and where then Bolsheviks?. (Still can give you history lessons on the right opposition and the situation in the country?)
  • naidas
    naidas 25 March 2020 20: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: ser56
    Is it a little?

    Everything is known in comparison. For me, it’s not enough, Stolypin and Yeltsin have more people to dispose of, and the results are more than shameful.
    1. ser56
      ser56 26 March 2020 12: 04 New
      0
      Quote: naidas
      Everything is relative

      exactly!
      Quote: naidas
      Stolypin and Yeltsin are more disposed of by the people, and the results are more than shameful.

      actually putting these people in a row is strange request
      Stolypin did not send people for recycling - with him, terrorists were executed ... request
      1. naidas
        naidas 28 March 2020 14: 25 New
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        Quote: ser56
        Stolypin did not send people for recycling - terrorists were executed under him

        I wonder where Stolypin was going to put those who did not fit into the market? There was not so much labor in the countryside and industry.
        the execution of terrorists is the pinnacle of the problem. This is what Peasants dealt with in the 1904 report (Stolypin, Saratov Governor): The disadvantage of this class is already proved by the fact that entire villages of the Saratov province are engaged in professional poverty in the winters.

        And I'm sorry, see the law on vagrancy (either the 14th or 15th vault) - the prison and Siberia.
        Quote: ser56
        actually putting these people in a row is strange

        Here I agree, rather it is necessary to compare not people, but the country of the Republic of Ingushetia since 1905. and the USSR since 1985, the destruction of statehood, betting on entrepreneurship, etc.
      2. ser56
        ser56 28 March 2020 16: 57 New
        0
        Quote: naidas
        In the countryside and in industry, so much labor was not needed.

        you are mistaken - there was rapid industrial growth, steeper than in the first five-year period ... in addition, resettlement to Siberia and the Far East developed ...
        Quote: naidas
        that entire villages of the Saratov province are engaged in professional beggars in the winters.

        professional beggars have always been ... request I note that there was no famine - there was a system of assistance with malnutrition ...
        Quote: naidas
        And I'm sorry, see the law on vagrancy (either the 14th or 15th vault) - the prison and Siberia.

        remember the Soviet laws? bully

        Quote: naidas
        , and the country of RI since 1905. and the USSR since 1985, the destruction of statehood, betting on entrepreneurship, etc.

        RI was at that time a perfectly reasonable state - economic growth, political freedoms ... the USSR fell into self-destruction - that is where it belongs to him ...
      3. naidas
        naidas 30 March 2020 21: 42 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        wrong - there was rapid industrial growth, steeper than in the first five-year period

        unfounded and nowhere, 1900-1903 crisis and stagnation until 1909.
        Quote: ser56
        I note that there was no famine - there was a system of assistance with malnutrition ...

        in Yakutia, this is noticeable — hunger from 1911-1913, came to St. Petersburg so that the governor allowed me to accept help, I suppose it was no better in other places. Tolstoy and Korolenko wrote about this help — quinoa helped more.
        Quote: ser56
        remember the Soviet laws?

        Let's.
        Quote: ser56
        RI was at that time quite a reasonable state - economic growth, political freedom.

        This is where, I saw the result of rationality, and they warned in advance that what we were going to the wrong place was said by Nikolai1.
      4. ser56
        ser56 31 March 2020 17: 42 New
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        Quote: naidas
        1900-1903 crisis and stagnation until 1909.

        but you did not forget that in 1905-07 a revolution was launched?
        Quote: naidas
        . Tolstoy and Korolenko wrote about this help, quinoa helped more.

        in the famine of the beginning of the 30s it was generally a secret .... The Red Army suppressed the starving ....
        Quote: naidas
        Nikolay1 said there.

        who else do you remember? bully
      5. naidas
        naidas 31 March 2020 18: 08 New
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        Quote: ser56
        but you did not forget that in 1905-07 a revolution was launched?

        And what did the revolution destroy, factories? Or do you need to be trained in what is supply and demand?
        Quote: ser56
        in the famine of the beginning of the 30s it was generally a secret .... The Red Army suppressed the starvation

        So secret that Olgovich trumps evidence.
        Quote: ser56
        who else do you remember?

        Alexander 2 fulfilling the oath, Alexander 3 forbade hunger, Stolypin with blood on the hands of a doctor or executioner. If you need even closer to 1917 in the internet, Nikolai 2 warned that we were moving towards a revolution.
      6. ser56
        ser56 31 March 2020 18: 18 New
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        Quote: naidas
        And that revolution destroyed factories

        Of course, besides that, estates were burned - and they are commodity producers ...
        Quote: naidas
        Or do you need to be trained in what is supply and demand?

        1) you do not have the necessary qualifications to train me, I have .. hi
        2) You have self-prophecy - any revolution reduces demand .... crying
        Quote: naidas
        So secret that Olgovich trumps evidence.

        they didn’t write about it in the newspapers, as did the writers in the magazines .... you again fight yourself ... like a non-commissioned officer widow ... request
        Quote: naidas
        Stolypin with blood on the hands of a doctor or executioner

        and the doctor and the executioner are servants .... some heal, others clean the earth ...
        Quote: naidas
        If necessary, even closer to 1917 on the Internet, Nicholas 2 was warned that we were moving towards a revolution.

        re-read the note Durnovo .. request Alas, IN2 was not ready for tough measures ... request .
      7. naidas
        naidas April 1 2020 14: 51 New
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        Quote: ser56
        Of course, in addition, estates were burned - and they are commodity producers.

        Damn, and here you are not in the subject: Burning the estate burned what he rented:
        In all regions, land price increases stimulated the desire to get rid of land. The landowner sold or leased, the peasant bought or rented. Most of the landowners, who owned their own households, hired workers and exploited their tools and livestock, used loans to increase capital. There were many more who, regardless of the way they managed the estate, found it very profitable to take loans secured by land and put them on interest-bearing urgent bank accounts or invest in more profitable stocks and bonds.
        In approximately this way, more than 3,5 billion rubles were received, received by the nobility from the sale of land or the expropriation of it in favor of the peasantry between 1863 and 1914.
        Along with this, from the mid-1880s, steppe lands of the Black Sea and Lower Volga became the leading grain producers, pushing the center of the Black Earth region into the background. The advantage of these areas, not so long ago colonized and with a rare peasant population, provided an advantageous combination of fertile soils and modern methods of cultivating the land using hired labor.
        Quote: ser56
        1) you do not have the necessary qualifications to train me, I have.

        Then you will have Zen with such knowledge, here you will receive setbacks (minuses) for your knowledge.
        Quote: ser56
        the newspapers did not write about it

        Another nonsense-chatter newspaper Hooter, letters from readers.
        Quote: ser56
        and the doctor and the executioner are employees .... some treat, others clean the ground.

        and this nonsense to what?
        Quote: ser56
        Alas, IN2 was not ready for tough measures.

        And what was he ready to hand over everything to chance?
      8. ser56
        ser56 April 1 2020 16: 36 New
        0
        Quote: naidas
        Damn, and here you are not in the subject

        re-read yourself - a meaningless set of words ... request as for the zones of commodity production - you forgot Altai ... hi
        Quote: naidas
        When you have Zen with such knowledge

        I write only in scientific journals that are indexed in Scopus or WoS ... request
        Quote: naidas
        for your knowledge you will receive setbacks (minuses).

        as there is a classic - there are always more mediocrity ... request
        Quote: naidas
        Podhodivka newspaper Hooter, letters from readers.

        waiting for a link ...
        Quote: naidas
        And what was he ready to hand over everything to chance?

        unlike you, he answered very harshly for his affairs ... request
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 March 2020 16: 01 New
    +14
    Quote: ser56
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I.V. Stalin is the Greatest Leader of the country.

    Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims?

    Its greatness is that we live. If we didn’t have nuclear weapons, we simply wouldn’t be.
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 41 New
      -12
      Quote: nikvic46
      His greatness is that we live.

      Russia lived 1000 years without IVS ... request
      Quote: nikvic46
      .If we didn’t have nuclear weapons, we simply wouldn’t be.
      another tale ... hi
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 23 March 2020 16: 09 New
    +16
    [quote = ser56] [quote = tihonmarine]
    “Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims? ”

    Among the achievements in education, science, industry, agriculture.
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 43 New
      -11
      Quote: Marine engineer
      Among the achievements in education, science, industry, agriculture.

      about s / x it's you! bully The level of education in the USSR fell sharply - graduates of secondary schools are not comparable with graduates of gymnasiums or real schools ... request and. etc .... I note that there have been successes, but the price for them is excessive ...
  • Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 16: 58 New
    +21
    Quote: ser56
    Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims?

    All the main social achievements of the Soviet regime - free medicine, free education, free housing were created in his era.
    Industrialization of the economy.
    Universal secondary education. The heyday of culture. The help of the intelligentsia.
    Building a socialist state.
    The creation of a single, socially homogeneous Soviet society.

    Alexander Twardovsky ABOUT STALINE excerpt

    Most like me, in the world,
    That did not meet him in the Kremlin Hall,
    In the eyes close did not see him
    And voices in kind were not heard.
    But everyone, probably, like me,
    He is close to the equal closeness of the soul,
    It's like he's alone with you
    Talking about life daily
    About the future, about peace, and war ...

    And all to you as a native, in it
    To the little things familiar and familiar.
    And that conversation lasts day after day
    You have it, you have it at home.
    Whatever it is, and you are always alone.
    And so any other of the majority
    Seeing himself in high council there.
    We all have equal rights to that, -
    He lives for us in this world.
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 46 New
      -11
      Quote: Arlen
      All the main social achievements of Soviet power

      greatly exaggerated ... request
      Quote: Arlen
      The creation of a single, socially homogeneous Soviet society.

      where were the enemies of the people millions in the gulag? bully
      Quote: Arlen
      Alexander Twardovsky ABOUT STALINE excerpt

      What nonsense ... bully Well licked the leader - pay for a bread place ...
      1. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2020 17: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: ser56
        where were the enemies of the people millions in the gulag?

        Now in the US there are more enemies of the people in prisons.
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 18: 22 New
          -5
          Quote: naidas
          Now in the US there are more enemies of the people in prisons.

          1) it is violet to me how many ZK sits in the USA request
          2) if it’s not a secret, thieves are for you. Are killers and robbers enemies of the people? Enlightenment - there are no 58 articles in the USA ... request
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 25 March 2020 18: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: ser56
            Enlightenment - there are no 58 articles in the USA ...

            And how does your alien perception relate to Bandera and other Vlasov? Or does it not apply to them 58? Well, or are they not judged and punished in the USA for treason?
            1. ser56
              ser56 25 March 2020 18: 46 New
              -2
              Quote: mat-vey
              to Bandera and other Vlasovites?

              in USA? they don’t put it there ... do you have a fever for nothing? bully
              Quote: mat-vey
              In the United States do not judge and punish for treason?

              Quote: ser56
              it’s violet to me how many ZK sits in the USA

              learn to understand what is read - I understand - it’s difficult ... request
              1. smphantom
                smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 07 New
                0
                .... it’s violet to me how many ZK sits in the USA ....
                You’re lying, sick, it’s all the same.
                Otherwise, with foam at the mouth I wouldn’t prove “how good it is, where we are not” ...
              2. ser56
                ser56 26 March 2020 12: 33 New
                0
                Quote: smphantom
                You’re lying, sick, it’s all the same.

                another boor went to the forum ... bully
                Quote: smphantom
                Otherwise, with foam at the mouth I wouldn’t prove “how good it is, where we are not” ...

                can quotes from me about it? Or shit and run away? hi
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 26 March 2020 14: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: ser56
              learn to understand what is read - I understand - it’s difficult ...

              Well, don’t you know about complexity - you didn’t manage to learn this.
            3. ser56
              ser56 26 March 2020 16: 27 New
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              you didn’t manage to learn this.

              but I taught you how to appeal to you ... good luck
            4. mat-vey
              mat-vey 26 March 2020 16: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: ser56
              but I taught you to contact you ..

              All the same, it would be nice for you to cure megalomania to a reasonable size ..
    2. naidas
      naidas 25 March 2020 22: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: ser56
      USA no 58 article.

      I agree. I am also for treating the past as in the United States. To start a commission on anti-Soviet activity and denigrating Stalin. To dismiss all those seen from work. Then introduce prohibitions on professions for all blackeners. Then there will be no 58, no one will pickle.
      1. ser56
        ser56 26 March 2020 12: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: naidas
        . I am also for the attitude to the past as in the USA.

        but didn’t you try to live with your brains? or are they not? repeat
        1. naidas
          naidas 28 March 2020 14: 05 New
          0
          Quote: ser56
          but didn’t you try to live with your brains? or are they not?

          Are you talking about:
          A person learns from his mistakes, is smart to learn from other people's mistakes, and a fool does not learn at all.
          With Khrushchev, Russia is the only country that self-flagellates itself. That’s interesting why they don’t take an example from other civilized countries, how to relate to their past?
        2. ser56
          ser56 28 March 2020 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: naidas
          With Khrushchev, Russia is the only country that voluntarily scourges itself

          are mistaken - since 1917 the whole history of Russia has been denied request
        3. naidas
          naidas 30 March 2020 21: 44 New
          0
          Quote: ser56
          are mistaken - since 1917 the whole history of Russia has been denied

          This is nonsense. Review Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible - in your opinion they were denied.
        4. ser56
          ser56 31 March 2020 17: 43 New
          0
          Quote: naidas
          This is nonsense. Review Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible - in your opinion they were denied.

          it’s your complete lack of knowledge of the history of Russia — you come to your senses during the war ... and destroyed monuments and graves ... recall the fate of the graves of Bagration or Ushakov?
        5. naidas
          naidas 31 March 2020 18: 04 New
          0
          Quote: ser56
          this is your complete lack of knowledge of the history of Russia

          but it’s nothing that entire residential neighborhoods were built in cemeteries. You mean knowledge of history is knowledge of graves. Then what are you doing on this forum, you need to have a forum of the same experts on graves.
        6. ser56
          ser56 31 March 2020 18: 07 New
          0
          Quote: naidas
          but it’s nothing that entire residential areas were built on cemeteries

          in the USSR hi
          Quote: naidas
          You mean knowledge of history is knowledge of graves

          be surprised - yes! From Egypt to the barrows in the steppes - you once again confirmed your low knowledge .... request
          Quote: naidas
          Then what are you doing on this forum, you need to have a forum of the same experts on the graves.

          YOU forgot to ask, because I do not consider it necessary ... bully
        7. naidas
          naidas April 1 2020 14: 56 New
          0
          Quote: ser56
          YOU forgot to ask, because I do not consider it necessary ..

          He simply asked what the tafofilist does on a site where they discuss not graves, but the acts of people and again silence. And so the site is for any opinions, including cemetery lovers, who brings the light of red-light to knowledge.
        8. ser56
          ser56 April 1 2020 16: 38 New
          0
          Quote: naidas
          And so is the site for any opinions, including cemetery enthusiasts, which brings light of knowledge to the red-bellied.

          went golimy flood and insulted pride - good luck ... hi
  • naidas
    naidas 25 March 2020 23: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: ser56
    Enlightenment - there are no 58 articles in the USA ...

    Of course, there in the USA criminal liability for calls to change or undermine the state and social system is regulated by the federal criminal code. (Section 18 of the US Code).
    Art. 2385 for propaganda aimed at overthrowing the government - should be punished by imprisonment for up to 20 years or a fine of up to 20 thousand dollars, or both together and should be deprived of the right to hold positions in any department or body of the United States
    st.2384 "rebellious conspiracy" up to 20 years
    In ch. 115 “Treason, a call for rebellion, subversive activity” provides for liability for treason (Article 2381); concealment of treason (art. 2382); rebellion or rebellion (v. 2383); rebellious conspiracy (Article 2384); propaganda to overthrow the government (art. 2385); refusal to register certain organizations (Article 2386); activities harmful to the armed forces in general (Article 2387) and in time of war in particular (Article 2388); recruiting military personnel for service against the United States (Art. 2389); voluntary military service in troops hostile to the United States (Article 2390).
    Congress provided for punishment for treason - the death penalty or imprisonment for a term of at least five years and a fine of at least 10 thousand dollars.

    You can recall the Queen, according to the US Criminal Code damage, destruction or poor-quality manufacturing of objects or construction of objects specified in Art. 2153 intended for national defense (Articles 2155, 2156).

    Let's recall the triples in 1937 — for conviction for treason, the testimonies of at least two witnesses of “obvious action” or the confession of the accused in open court are necessary (part 3 of article III of the US Constitution: section 18 of article I of the Constitution and paragraph b art. California Criminal Code) is punishable by death or life imprisonment without the right to early release.

    Let us recall the denunciations: according to the Federal Criminal Code, “one who, being obligated to remain faithful to the United States and knowing about committing treason against them, hides it and as soon as possible does not inform the president or any judge of the United States or any governor or judge “a certain state is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for a term of up to seven years or both sentences” (Article 2382).
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  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 23 March 2020 19: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: ser56

    Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims?

    Yes, even if it doesn’t give peace to local liberals, they strive to debunk it.
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 47 New
      -9
      Quote: ZAV69
      Yes, even if it doesn’t give peace to local liberals, they strive to debunk it.

      Do you really need enemies - today liberals, tomorrow others? request Do you dream of denunciations writing in an analogue of the NKVD? wink
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 24 March 2020 16: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: ser56
        Do you dream of denunciations writing in an analogue of the NKVD?

        Yes, you yourself have written so much in social networks and forums that it’s enough for several periods.
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 18: 18 New
          -6
          Quote: ZAV69
          Yes, you yourself have written so much in social networks and forums that it’s enough for several periods.

          definitely waiting for the opportunity to write denunciations ... bully
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 24 March 2020 19: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: ser56
            definitely waiting for the opportunity to write denunciations ...

            In our digital age in denunciations there is no sense whatsoever, everyone has already conveyed to themselves. I look forward to the moment when fools fall on the head of what they, competing in wit, wrote in comments and zhezhek.
            I want to look at the columns of fools under guard
          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 24 March 2020 20: 11 New
            +6
            Quote: ser56
            in person, waiting for the opportunity to write denunciations ...

            Once again responsible for this post. About the denunciations, I answered.
            So, if you have to shoot at the liberals who killed my country and killing its remains, I will shoot without hesitation. You really wanted to read it?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 25 March 2020 11: 33 New
              -6
              Quote: ZAV69
              So, if you have to shoot at the liberals who killed my country and killing its remains, I will shoot without hesitation.

              Mega warrior, but you didn’t shoot in the 91st?)))) And now the liberals are not in power. Read the meaning of the word liberalism.
              1. ser56
                ser56 25 March 2020 12: 05 New
                -6
                Quote: CSKA
                Mega warrior, but you didn’t shoot in the 91st?

                it was so scary or went to kindergarten ... bully
                Quote: ZAV69
                About the denunciations, I answered.

                you still don’t understand. that digital denunciation is no different from handwritten ... request and. that the scammer’s first whip ... hi
                Quote: ZAV69
                You really wanted to read it?

                What problems do you have with attitude ... request To be honest, you are violet to me because of the vulgarity and vulgarity ... repeat
              2. ZAV69
                ZAV69 25 March 2020 20: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: ser56
                you still don’t understand. that the digital denunciation is no different from the handwritten ... request as well. that the scammer’s first whip ...

                You have already written three times that I am ready to write denunciations. You know, this is such a widespread petty trick, accuse your opponent of some shameful act and let him justify yourself, and you like all in white with such a high spit.
                So it seems to me that these were your ancestors in batches of denunciations, and now the genetic memory speaks for you, because a proverb is right, the hat is on a thief.
                I tell you once again that now the main scammer is a search script, you, already in the forums and social networks for 5 terms wrote to yourself, and 100% there is a list in the FSB of those who, in which case, immediately grab and put to the nearest wall, and who just sawed.
                As they say checked by Tit. Dap unsubscribed to him? 5 years like?
              3. ser56
                ser56 26 March 2020 11: 47 New
                -1
                Quote: ZAV69
                You have already written three times that I am ready to write denunciations

                re-read yourself - nothing to spit on the mirror ... request I’ll add, you’re also cowardly ...
                Quote: ZAV69
                So it seems to me that these are your ancestors in batches of denunciations wrote,

                the difference between us is that I spoke directly and convincingly about you, and you vilely slander my ancestors! Is the difference available? And who are you for normal people? Usually scum behave this way ... request
                Quote: ZAV69
                100% there is in the FSB a list of those whom, in which case, immediately grab and put to the nearest wall, and who just sawed.

                you are a coward ... request
              4. ZAV69
                ZAV69 26 March 2020 15: 11 New
                +3
                Quote: ser56
                I spoke directly and convincingly about you

                Well, I will also write that you are ready to write denunciations to the colonial administration.
              5. ser56
                ser56 26 March 2020 16: 37 New
                0
                Quote: ZAV69
                Well, so will I write

                you already wrote everything, I qualified you - flood I don’t see the point - good luck ...
              6. ZAV69
                ZAV69 26 March 2020 16: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: ser56
                I qualified you -

                Well, so I qualified you.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 25 March 2020 17: 11 New
      0
      As if not in power, Putin directly answered the question and said that he was a liberal.
    3. ZAV69
      ZAV69 25 March 2020 20: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: CSKA
      read the meaning of the word liberalism.

      I do not need to read the definitions, I judge by their deeds. I am ready to shoot them. Okay?
      Quote: CSKA
      Chezh you in the 91st did not shoot?
      but they don’t give weapons in the construction battalion ...
    4. ser56
      ser56 26 March 2020 11: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: ZAV69
      in construction battalion

      all right - only a spatula like that ... bully
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 24 March 2020 12: 17 New
    +10
    Quote: ser56
    Do not voice what his greatness is? among the victims?

    The fact that from the ruins of the revolution he led the country to a great power, this is confirmed by the mattresses. We were forced to reckon with the USSR, and note - in just 36 years. Are you just eating your head? Everything lies on the surface. Criterion one - RESULT.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 24 March 2020 19: 26 New
    +2
    His greatness is that you live and prosper, you need to understand ... in a strange way. But according to your posts, neither you, nor your ancestors should have remained alive. Stalin, on the other hand, brutally dealt with everyone and killed everyone? Or are you from a rock that does not burn in fire and does not sink in water? Then it turns out that Stalin was tyrannizing badly. And he could throw an atomic bomb like Americans or coronovirus poison!
    Be friends with your head and she will reciprocate you! (Copyright)
  • Frol
    Frol 26 March 2020 18: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And the cult was most real in mediocrity, such as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, this is a cult, and I.V. Stalin is the Greatest Leader of the country.

    You're right .. I recalled a question to Simonov, some kind of journalist asked with maliciousness: How do you feel about the personality cult of Stalin?
    So he very coolly answered .. There was no way for the cult, but the PERSONALITY was !!!!
  • Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 11: 10 New
    +19
    From a letter from Komsomol members and youth of the Soviet Union to the leader of the peoples, teacher and friend of Soviet youth Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin on the 30th anniversary of the Komsomol

    We are the name of the leader in battle and in labor
    We carry like a guards banner
    It inspires youth everywhere
    Like the sun, sparkles above us.

    Our wise teacher! Our leader and father!
    We swear the joy of life
    We swear with all the blood of hot hearts
    Serve the Fatherland wholeheartedly.

    Swear our land every inch
    Boldly defend in battles,
    Ready to give our youth
    The struggle for the popular cause.

    We give an indestructible oath
    On behalf of all youth:
    Persistent in labor and brave in battle,
    We will pave the way to communism.

    Long live our heroic people!
    Long live our power!
    The one who leads the country to communism is
    Glory to Great Stalin!

    Lenin gathered us under the red banner,
    And our destiny is great.
    To the one who brought up youth in the struggle, -
    Glory to Great Stalin!

    To be faithful to our party is always -
    Our duty and sacred right.
    To one whose confidence youth is proud, -
    Glory to Great Stalin!

    Like a hymn to selfless filial love,
    The words of our oath, sound!
    For the joy of us, live for many years,
    Our beloved leader and teacher!
    https://stalinism.ru/stikhi-i-pesni-o-staline/stihi-sovremennikov-stalina.html
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  • Varyag_0711
    Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 11: 11 New
    +37
    Marine engineer (....)
    A trifle always hates giants.
    Yes, everything is simple, after the death of Stalin, a person of his level was no longer found in the country. Well, not Khrushchev, in fact, could actually become a leader comparable to Stalin.
    Perhaps the makings of such a leader belonged to Zhukov, but he was not competent in the household, he did not possess the knowledge that Stalin possessed. Stalin's successor was to be either Beria or Kosygin. And I will never forgive Zhukov for his support of Judas Khrushchev. Zhukov could take offense at Stalin as much as he wanted, but Stalin did it very correctly, pointing Zhukov in his place, otherwise Marshal Victory got into a bend.
    There is no need to talk about the current ones; they are not suitable for Stalin. He wouldn’t even let them in for the role. Hence the petty malice, and envy, and spitting. But, the more dirt the powerful people pour on him, the more popular Stalin will be among the common people. Because people can’t be deceived all the time, they cease to believe those who deceived him more than once. So the fashion for Stalin will only grow.

    I don’t know how, but along with my grandfather’s photo I’ll carry a photo of Stalin on the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory, because it was Stalin who forged this Victory and is most worthy to be at the head of the Immortal Regiment’s column on Red Square, and not a bloody nicholas in his hands distraught prosecutor.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 March 2020 11: 18 New
      -21
      Voznesensky possessed much data for the future head of the country, but Stalin himself removed it.
      1. Fat
        Fat 23 March 2020 11: 57 New
        +10
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Voznesensky possessed much data for the future head of the country, but Stalin himself removed it.

        This is unlikely .. Malenkov and Abakumov were the initiators of the "Leningrad affair." The undercover war for the Stalinist inheritance began during his lifetime.
        Almost all members of Zhdanov’s team were repressed
        For Leningrad Abakumov was shot in 1954 ...
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 02 New
          +5
          I agree with you. He himself commented on this issue several times on the site. Malenkov (the personality is also extraordinary and contradictory, he has real merits to the country) and the company behind Stalin turned this matter around. We have to admit that in old age, the suspicion of Stalin, the Malenkov group took advantage of its interests. And Khrushchev won in the end, along with his nominees.
      2. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 23 March 2020 12: 01 New
        +7
        “Voznesensky possessed much data for the future head of the country, .....”

        I used to think the same way, now I'm not sure that he could become one.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 31 New
          -5
          At least the second or third he could well be in the leadership. He was accused of giving preference to the Great Russian cadres in the Council of Ministers and the State Planning Commission, and did not hide this. Comrades of non-Russian nationalities did not like this. Although he went overboard a little. He and Beria most of all insisted on the forced relocation of part of the North Caucasians.
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 23 March 2020 15: 42 New
            +3
            “At least the second or third he could well be in the leadership .......”

            He could be the third, but not the first.
            I had to read that Ascension was not abstained in "language", arrogant, could insult a person at the meeting with foul language. If this is true, then climbing to the "top" would only exacerbate these character traits.
      3. PavelM
        PavelM 23 March 2020 12: 40 New
        +3
        Voznesensky possessed much data for the future head of the country, but Stalin himself removed it.

        = If removed, then Voznesensky did not possess any such data. Do not try to rewrite History. Remember the rule: "you know better from the mountain!"
        Or maybe you decided about yourself that you know better?
        Then to the doctor!
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 05 New
          0
          So to speak. One of Stalin’s closest associates, Molotov, is authority for you? In conversations with Felix Chuev, Molotov spoke several times about Voznesensky and Kuznetsov, and spoke well of them. Justifying the repressions of 37-38, Molotov considered the Leningrad affair to be falsified. A number of authors indicate that both Molotov and Beria understood that after the Leningrad affair they could take on them.
          1. PavelM
            PavelM 23 March 2020 13: 36 New
            +8
            "They don’t wave their fists after the fight." If Stalin at that time, in that situation made such a decision, then it was the only true one for those circumstances.
            From the perspective of today, categorically speaking is not true.
            We can only regret and sympathize. Everything else is opportunistic delights in someone's interests.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 24 March 2020 19: 31 New
              0
              That's for sure! Mr. Putin in peacetime cannot or does not want to organize a civilized mechanism for the transfer of power based on the principles of democracy voiced by himself.
              This only says one thing: there is no democracy in Russia! But there is propaganda and a lie.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 25 March 2020 11: 39 New
                -1
                Quote: Campanella
                This only says one thing: there is no democracy in Russia! But there is propaganda and a lie.

                And what doesn’t suit you?))))) In the USSR there was democracy and there was no propaganda and lies?
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 25 March 2020 12: 00 New
                  0
                  It was, of course. And that this should serve as an excuse for someone?
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 31 March 2020 15: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Campanella
                    It was, of course. And that this should serve as an excuse for someone?

                    Justification of what? In which country of the world there is no propaganda of the current government and its critics? Is there no democracy in the Russian Federation? In the Russian Federation it is many times more than in the USSR. Yes, and still need to find a lie.
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 31 March 2020 22: 28 New
                      0
                      Democracy in Russia? Are you laughing? Do you consider elections as a democracy? Where are the referendums? Where are the independent unions? Where are the normal non-pocket games? Where is the political competition?
              2. smphantom
                smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 33 New
                0
                ... Putin in peacetime can not or does not want to organize a civilized mechanism for the transfer of power on the principles of democracy voiced by him himself ....

                You tell about this Angela our Merkel.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 26 March 2020 16: 56 New
                  0
                  The Germans will tell her about this.
        2. Fat
          Fat 23 March 2020 21: 51 New
          0
          Quote: PavelM
          Voznesensky possessed much data for the future head of the country, but Stalin himself removed it.

          = If removed, then Voznesensky did not possess any such data. Do not try to rewrite History. Remember the rule: "you know better from the mountain!"
          Or maybe you decided about yourself that you know better?
          Then to the doctor!

          I like old Joe Stalin. He is a good guy, but he is a prisoner of the Politburo. He would go to certain agreements, but they do not give him. (C)
          - Harry Truman, June 1948
    2. depressant
      depressant 23 March 2020 11: 38 New
      +14
      Any people need a leader - this is the law of nature. A leader is a person who, through a high-moral affair, has proved that you can follow him without looking back. The need for a leader is confirmed by the same Zaputinists who are diligently building the cult of Putin’s personality. We Soviet put forward our leader, whose name was Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, according to his great deeds, who lifted the Country of Soviets to an unprecedented height. Serving under the banner of Stalin was a matter of honor and valor. Service under the banner of Putin is the refuge of villains and opportunists.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 25 New
        -23
        Do not make yourself an idol. The leader is necessary for underdeveloped tribes. The rest is enough competent leader.
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 24 March 2020 12: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          quite competent leader.

          Sorry, but this is the leader. Do not get hung up on words.
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 24 March 2020 19: 33 New
          +3
          A.S. Ivanov, then it turns out to a person and the head is not needed! After all, she is also a leader ...
        3. smphantom
          smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 38 New
          0
          ... Leader is necessary for underdeveloped tribes ....

          This is from the category: is there a price for smart people, for fools ?,
      2. smphantom
        smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 36 New
        0
        .... Service under the banner of Putin is a refuge ....
        Ek twisted.
        Friend, do you have a schizo?
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    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 March 2020 15: 03 New
      +12
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      Perhaps the makings of such a leader belonged to Zhukov, but he was not competent in the household, he did not possess the knowledge that Stalin possessed.

      His subsequent actions showed that he did not possess these inclinations, especially when contacting Khrushchev. Zhukov "General Victory", but not the leader of the country and people.
    5. CSKA
      CSKA 24 March 2020 13: 20 New
      -5
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      Hence the petty malice, and envy, and spitting. But, the more dirt the powerful will pour on him

      But who can you give an example and when did you pour dirt on him?
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      the more popular Stalin will enjoy among the common people.

      )))) You probably live in some fictional world. Go out and talk to people. Even their older generation does not have the same attitude towards him; there is nothing to say about youth. For them, he is simply a historical figure and no more.
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      So the fashion for Stalin will only grow.

      Fashion?)))))) Fashion in what?
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 24 March 2020 19: 36 New
        +5
        So you, CSKA, are watering the Soviet regime.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 25 March 2020 16: 23 New
          -3
          Quote: Campanella
          So you, CSKA, are watering the Soviet regime.

          What are you? Give an example.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 25 March 2020 17: 22 New
            +1
            And what do you not know about what you write here defending the current ochlocracy and telling how everything was bad in the USSR?
            "The only normal period is the end of the 60s and the beginning of the 80s and then with a total lack of everything and everything." quote from your beloved ... treat your sclerosis!
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 26 March 2020 17: 24 New
              -1
              Quote: Campanella
              And what do you not know about what you write here defending the current ochlocracy and telling how everything was bad in the USSR?
              "The only normal period is the end of the 60s and the beginning of the 80s and then with a total lack of everything and everything." quote from your beloved ... treat your sclerosis!

              It turns out to state the fact is pouring dirt. Pouring mud - it is not justifiable to slander and lie. And what is my lie? Under Stalin, most of the people in the huts were huddled, getting a penny by smelling from morning to evening, could not afford anything, the average life expectancy was less than 40 years, and there was always a threat that they would write a denunciation to you. With Khrushchev’s perplexity, the only positive thing was the start of housing construction for the masses, otherwise the same failure, because people in Novocherkassk went out, for which they shot. Under Brezhnev, the situation improved, but not by much. The total deficit of everything and everything.
              I am normal towards Stalin, but I consider it nonsense to make him a saint. It must be treated as in China to Mao. And I regret that the USSR collapsed and were not held there when it was necessary to reform. But he didn’t fall apart because everything was wonderful and beautiful there, as you are trying to set now.
              Quote: Campanella
              defending the current ochlocracy

              Such as you once ruined the USSR, and now you whine what a beautiful country it was and how bad it is now. Is it all wrong for you to the whiners? Just to ruin everything. People like you are now ready to take to the streets, and after a while, just as well, you will cry and shout that you regret that you went for ebn.
              In today's Russia, people can afford much more than people in the USSR. And I can criticize the current government for something, the power is always not ideal and consists of many people who have different attitudes to their duties. But overall, she has achieved good results over the past 20 years.
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  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 March 2020 12: 04 New
    +18
    Quote: Marine engineer
    "... for this it is simply necessary to slander the one who was in front."

    A trifle always hates giants.

    For Khrushchev, the deposition of the "personality cult" was a way of self-preservation. Otherwise, he himself was no longer in power. Because he himself was the very dragon whom he painted for everyone in Stalin. Yes, and mediocre statesman.
    “Take it easy, fool” - there is an opinion that this is how Vissarionitch wrote on Khrushch’s request for an increase in the quota for repression.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 12 New
      -13
      How do you explain the fact that in the last years of Stalin’s life on official pictures depicting the Soviet leadership Khrushchev was depicted next to Stalin as often as Malenkov, and sometimes more often?
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 23 March 2020 17: 23 New
        +6
        [quote = Sergej1972] How do you explain the fact that in the last years of Stalin’s life in official films depicting the Soviet leadership Khrushchev was depicted next to Stalin as often as Malenkov, and sometimes more often? [/

        Khrushchev in the last years of Stalin’s life was the first secretary of the Moscow State Conservatory, the “creative intelligentsia” who sculpted official paintings lived mainly in Moscow and it was not difficult to “set” her desired direction.
        Anticipating your question whether Khrushchev personally corrected their “creativity”, I answer, not necessarily, for such “work” there is always a sufficient number of nomenclature lackeys.
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 23 March 2020 18: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Sergej1972
        How do you explain the fact that in the last years of Stalin’s life on official pictures depicting the Soviet leadership Khrushchev was depicted next to Stalin as often as Malenkov, and sometimes more often?

        Probably still not official, but official. But that is ...
        Even if such a fact existed, then it would be explained very simply. Khrushchev, the most experienced party apparatus even during the time of Stalin, was by no means the last person in the Party and in the Central Committee.
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  • Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 12: 15 New
    +29
    Today, there is a need to protect Stalin from attempts to use his image to achieve some kind of anti-communist group or personal goals.
    The most used formula was the representation of Stalin by a kind of “sovereign”, “red emperor”. At the same time, it is known that Stalin himself reacted very negatively to such attempts to compare him with the reigning persons.
    Other so-called “statists” are trying to ascribe to Stalin a priority in work to strengthen the state in isolation from class tasks. Sometimes it even happens that “Stalin overcame Lenin”, that he abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a political science. However, all the statements of Stalin himself indicate the very opposite: as a Marxist-Leninist, Stalin fought the bourgeois state, dealt with its destruction and built a new state of workers and peasants.
    We can say that Stalin was one of the last Marxist-Leninists from the leaders of the USSR. Anti-Stalinism is a common sign of open anti-communists who hate the USSR and denigrate the achievements of socialism. But no less dangerous anti-Stalinism are attempts to distort Stalin, emasculate his Marxist spirit, and deprive him of the communist principle. And it is beneficial primarily to the supporters of the current government, since there is no reason to count on success with the current quality of state leadership.
  • Fat
    Fat 23 March 2020 12: 54 New
    -7
    Quote: Marine engineer
    "... for this it is simply necessary to slander the one who was in front."

    A trifle always hates giants.

    ... Stalin, a desperate man who left all state and party posts for the sake of an ordinary death, after which it suddenly became clear that you could easily drive a corncob into any granite ass ... (C)
    Victor Pelevin, Water Tower, 1990
  • Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 23 March 2020 17: 31 New
    -2
    ironically
  • antivirus
    antivirus 23 March 2020 17: 58 New
    +1
    and large seen in the distance
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  • Svarog
    Svarog 23 March 2020 10: 42 New
    +17
    You just need to look around and see or not see. That's all.

    It would seem so simple .. indeed, you just need to look at the result .. But many are guided by emotions and propaganda ..
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 23 March 2020 11: 00 New
      +22
      Quote: Svarog
      really, you just need to look at the result

      the result will always be in favor of Joseph Vissarionovich.
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        1. PavelM
          PavelM 23 March 2020 12: 55 New
          +10
          But he did not like Jews

          It is unlikely. They hate him because in 38 Beria cleared the NKVD and the country from the organizers of the terror of the 37th year, but among them there were many Jews. Notice, not a word is said about the organizer of the repression of the 37th Yezhov, but Beria and Stalin are blamed for everything.
  • knn54
    knn54 23 March 2020 10: 43 New
    +9
    To the personality cult: BLIND admiration for the authority of a particular figure, exaltation of the role of ONE person, endowment with his supernatural qualities ...
    And the fact that he allowed the existence of other CULT figures alongside him. Molotov, Kalinin, Voroshilov, Kaganovich, whose portraits were worn at demonstrations, were printed in newspapers.
    In this case, the cult arose at a CRITICAL / TURNING moment, when a HUGE number of citizens were eager for it ..
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
      +26
      Quote: knn54
      And the fact that he allowed the existence of other CULT figures

      Stalin managed to assemble a worthy team. over the past thirty years, nobody was able to assemble a worthy and respected team ...
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 11: 17 New
        +12
        Arlen
        Stalin managed to assemble a worthy team. over the past thirty years, nobody was able to assemble a worthy and respected team ...
        Always and everywhere the retinue made the king. Take any great person; he will always be surrounded by the geniuses of his time. This applies to everyone. A great man is great in that he is not afraid to nominate worthy helpers to himself, he is not afraid to look mediocre against their background. At the same time, mediocrity in power will never begin to surround itself with talents because it is afraid of them, afraid to look wretched against the background of their talents.
        So everything is natural.
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  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 March 2020 10: 44 New
    -10
    Let's go with two hands for:
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 10: 44 New
    +18
    There was a cult, there was. But there was a Person.
    1. AUL
      AUL 23 March 2020 10: 56 New
      +21
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      But there was a Person.

      And now they are trying to impose a cult (who is the Leone), but the Personality (with a capital letter) - alas, no!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 March 2020 11: 36 New
        -3
        Quote: AUL
        And now they are trying to impose a cult

        Invented by the haters of Russia.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 33 New
        -16
        Who is now imposing a cult on you? Portraits of the insignificance of Brezhnev, an order of magnitude greater than the current president. Yes, and media references in the same proportions.
        1. ser56
          ser56 23 March 2020 14: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Portraits of the insignificance of Brezhnev,

          if it's not a secret - why do you consider LIB a jerk? were you personally acquainted?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 14: 34 New
            -12
            The merging of power with crime and the beginning of the collapse of industry were laid precisely during the reign of Brezhnev. An oil needle also appeared with him. And then - on the rise.
            1. ser56
              ser56 23 March 2020 14: 37 New
              -10
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              growing power with crime

              started right with the advent of the Bolsheviks, so the criminals were socially close ... request
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              the beginning of the collapse of industry was laid precisely during the reign of Brezhnev.

              nonsense - it was during the LIB that they tried to do something, but could not - there was not enough determination to discard the dogma ... request
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              An oil needle also appeared with him

              as a result of an attempt to give ordinary people at least a little living, if not in abundance, then at least not in poverty ... hi
          2. Mestny
            Mestny 23 March 2020 15: 00 New
            -7
            And can you personally know Stalin?
        2. Fuethe
          Fuethe 23 March 2020 16: 29 New
          +10
          But the cult of personality can be imposed without an abundance of portraits and without constant lamentations from reproducers. Quietly, imperceptibly, but .... in power the GDP has been working for 20 years. And for what are his personal merits to the country? He lifted her from the ruins, improved the welfare of the country? Nevertheless, constantly, from each iron - and who, if not him. At critical moments for the authorities, a propaganda machine is launched and people are ready to carry GDP in their hands. Remember the uplifting times after the Crimea ... So in Russia the personality cult of the GDP is very stable, it’s another matter that he himself is shallow for such a role. Yes, crank up the KGB special operation. but larger in scale (the capture of the Crimea, to be cunning, it’s precisely a special operation carried out competently, then a media escort operation was carried out), The same special operation in Syria. And now we look at the special operation oil .... But the successes of sovereign construction, even remotely approaching I.V. Stalin is not something that is not visible, but simply not. And there is a cult, but it is imposed on us from above. How long? well no. They will wipe his feet off him, moreover, with pleasure, after his departure. For some reason I do not believe in the overthrow. They tried to wipe their feet about Stalin, and now there are a lot of people who want to dance on their bones, but the success of the country during his reign will not allow it to be done and no matter how hard-witted, the successes of the GDP no matter how glorified, they will not be remembered, but simply because by and large, on the carte blanche that history gave him, he turned out to be shallow and insignificant ... He failed everything that could be ... And then there was a chance and history favored him. But all the steam went to the whistle ...
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 23 March 2020 17: 36 New
            -4
            Fuethe’s colleague agrees with almost all the assessments you gave in your comment, with the exception of “special operations literacy ...”.
            1. Fuethe
              Fuethe 23 March 2020 17: 45 New
              +2
              Thank you for your assessment, your comment on the "literacy" quoted, I accept.
            2. Marine engineer
              Marine engineer 24 March 2020 15: 20 New
              0
              I see by the reaction of the Zaputentsev that I hit the bull's-eye. This makes me happy.
          2. Alf
            Alf 23 March 2020 19: 52 New
            +6
            Quote: Fuethe
            The same special operation in Syria.

            1. Enter.
            2. Beat the basmachi.
            3. Under Farewell, the Slavs solemnly brought.
            4. Announced - In Syria, we won.
            5. By quietly entered, the war continues.
            Question-who won?
            Quote: Fuethe
            And now we look at the special operation oil ...

            The question is, who got more, the enemy or their own country?
            1. Fuethe
              Fuethe 25 March 2020 17: 00 New
              0
              As a conductor controls an orchestra, so he plays. But it looks like the orchestra and the conductor had different notes ....
          3. smphantom
            smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 43 New
            0
            He lifted her from the ruins, improved the welfare of the country?


            So you yourself answered your question :-)
            But it’s impossible to “push their heads against” Putin vs Stalin, the eras are different, the tasks are also :-))
        3. Alf
          Alf 23 March 2020 19: 48 New
          +5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Yes, and media references in the same proportions.

          But now do not turn on which channel, you will surely run into a guarantor, often you sit with the remote control and remember whether you switched the channel or just thought, everywhere He, the Infallible statesman.
        4. PavelM
          PavelM 23 March 2020 19: 59 New
          +8
          Portraits of the insignificance of Brezhnev, an order of magnitude more than ...
          Apparently, in comparison with you, everything is surrounded by "nothingness." Pride is the greatest sin!
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  • tatra
    tatra 23 March 2020 10: 44 New
    +13
    The only benefit from Gorbachev is that thanks to him, and starting from him, all citizens on the territory of the USSR showed their true essence, and in particular, Stalin's supporters proved that they were for the truth about the history of their country - the pre-revolutionary, Soviet and post-Soviet periods, and the enemies of the Communists proved that they were only for a lie that was favorable and convenient for them, about the history of their country, even if contrary to elementary logic and common sense, even if it couldn’t be at all ..
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 March 2020 11: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: tatra
      The only benefit from Gorbachev is

      Like a milk goat.
    2. prior
      prior 23 March 2020 11: 42 New
      +13
      The benefits of Gorbachev, as a pack of yeast thrown into an open public toilet.
      .... flooded out of all the holes and, alas, continues to grind .... now stop the hell.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 23 March 2020 10: 47 New
    +28
    I read it 2 times, then I realized, the author mixed everything in a heap, but in fact it is a question about the role of the individual in history. Personalities always remain in history, but no one denies the millions of ordinary people who lived in this or that era.
    As for the cult, the cult creates power to please its own kind. Stalin praised? - Yes. Did Khrushchev sing praises? - Yes. And so on to Putin, who also sings songs. And who sings? Those who are caressed by the authorities are artists, journalists and po. To cherish. Deservedly? So here the author truly says, on business! Who are the judges? Who is rating? Did the people build the Yeltsin center or people who received power and money from their hands?
    The answer is obvious. History will judge, but winners write history. Here's a hitch
    1. tatra
      tatra 23 March 2020 11: 16 New
      +10
      But the real cult of personality, without quotes, was and is with Stalin, although Khrushchev slandered him, and the Communists after Khrushchev ignored the Stalin period, and the enemies of the Communists, beginning with Gorbachev and the perestroika, slandered Stalin for 30 years. BUT the Soviet / Russian people, Stalin was popular in his reign, and in the days of his death a huge number of Soviet people cried, and came to his funeral in Moscow, and after 30 years of Stalinophobic propaganda of the “winners”, the popularity of Stalin among the Russian people is only growing .
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 March 2020 11: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      I read it 2 times, then I realized, the author mixed everything in a heap, but in fact it is a question about the role of the individual in history.

      The era, personalities, people, it’s all one, and you can’t separate them. And here, many people are trying to share everything on the principle of a village dining room, flies separately, cutlets separately.
    3. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 23 March 2020 12: 00 New
      +11
      Quote: Silvestr
      How many decades have we been told that we are stupid people, drugged by propaganda and therefore unable to see all the harm, all the vileness and terrible cruelty of power in the USSR and, accordingly, in Russia. We are told that everything that happened and is happening in our country is directed exclusively against us.

      And we are not laying our lives for Russia, but for some hidden enemies of the state in the Central Committee of the party or the government of the USSR, and today for some oligarchs and the same enemies in the government and parliament of the Russian Federation.

      The author did this consciously. First, he correctly identified the concern of the authorities, the formed moods in society:
      In discussions on any subject, who are interested in society today, you will definitely find just such an opinion. "Our soldiers are dying for interests... » Then you can write the name of any oligarch or official of the highest level.

      And then he just took and smeared everyone together. I repeated the cheating reception, as with voting in a package, which would be harder to distinguish: where is the truth, who was really a great statesman, who was disinterested in his love for the Fatherland:
      How many decades have we been told that we are stupid people, drugged by propaganda and therefore unable to see all the harm, all the vileness and terrible cruelty of power in the USSR and, accordingly, in Russia. We are told that everything what happened and is happening in our country, it is directed exclusively against us.
      And we do not lay our lives for Russia, but for some hidden enemies of the state in The Central Committee of the party or government of the USSR, and today for some oligarchs and the same enemies in the government and parliament of the Russian Federation

      Although, all this lie of the author Alexander Staver, immediately crumbles as soon as you begin to compare separately.
      Modern Russia, this is not the USSR. These are antipode states in their structure. And consequently and in importance for the state, the ordinary, ordinary citizen.
      And Putin, this is not Stalin, even hints of comparison are ridiculous. And in general, the elite of the USSR cannot be equal to the elite of the Russian Federation. When it was hard for the country (WWII), the elite of the USSR sent their children to the front, along with everyone and together with everyone, lost their loved ones. Today's elite, their offspring sent to the fattest places and abroad, to squander the wealth captured after the destruction of the USSR.
      According to the well-known version, Peter I, returning from a trip to Shlisselburg to the Ladoga Canal and to Staraya Russa, on November 5 found a stranded boat with soldiers, sailors, women and children near Lahti, began to save them. The emperor himself stood for several hours in ice water, resulting in a cold.
      And even the famous embezzler A.D. Menshikov proved his usefulness and devotion to the Fatherland including and risking his life in the forefront with a sword, and not dual citizenship.

      PS I personally, such a cheating mixture of circumstances, personalities and eras, causes only a squeamish attitude. As if something talked with a thimble.
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 14: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Silvestr
      History will judge, but winners write history. Here's a hitch

      Do you think these are those who criminally established themselves in power as winners? The hitch is that it’s impossible to defeat one’s own people. It was with the enemies of the Soviet state, namely with the "enemies of the people" that Joseph Stalin fought. What are today's rulers doing, deceiving the people, who probably believed their "good intentions and promises"? Having dragged in the early 90s the constitution that legitimized private ownership of land and mineral resources, rewriting registers, they simply placed themselves and their people in all key posts. They are not at all interested in how people live there, why 17% of the population are ranked as “middle class” with a monthly income of 000 rubles. They are worried about providing guarantees for the future of such an existence. So it turns out that now it is an honor to fight with those who have not yet died out in this country. And the most important wrestlers are not just “caressed by the authorities”, they are elevated to the rank of heroes and heroines, they are awarded titles and titles.
      Our story has not yet been completed. History is written on the "stamp", and not interpreted by concepts.
  • DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina 23 March 2020 10: 48 New
    +10
    And then, with the filing of one uneducated schemer, a commission is created (before the XX Congress), within which they sort out a couple of hundred thousand cases and it turns out that, for example, in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR there were “innocently convicted” ..... 0,75% (About E. Spitsyn said this in one of the videos about his book Khrushchev Slush.
    And then time passes and you need something to reinforce the buckets of slops, right? So the commissions are being created, which on the ground, out of court, should engage in amnesty. And then we are surprised when such a clowning started with us, why tons of fakes were thrown under Alexander Yakovlev and so on. But it all started much earlier.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 23 March 2020 10: 51 New
    +23
    Is that why Putin hates Stalin? Why does Volgograd residents refuse to give their city a glorious name? Why does Putin ignore the Mausoleum, even bashfully cover it with plywood for the holidays? WHY? Probably because he doesn’t want the people to compare him with our great past leaders, since the comparison will be shameful for him.
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
      +6
      late to drink Borjomi - Vlasov tricolor at the mausoleum, the counter-revolution won
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 March 2020 11: 20 New
        -7
        The Vlasovites had the St. Andrew flag.
        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: Sergej1972
          The Vlasovites had the St. Andrew flag.


          it means both, the chevron on the tunic was the Andreevsky X flag .. well, you saw him everywhere
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 11: 24 New
        -19
        However, Stalin was thrown out of the mausoleum, left burry. Can you tell me who did this? It seems they say that the Communists.
        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 23 March 2020 11: 38 New
          -12
          [Quote: the mausoleum was thrown out, left burry] [/ quote] as my neighbor said in 89
          "Lenin, with a bunch of burry w ... in seized power!" )))
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 15: 09 New
          +8
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          However, Stalin was thrown out of the mausoleum, left burry. Can you tell me who did this? It seems they say that the Communists.

          They destroyed a bloc of CMEA and VD countries, destroyed a number of RIAC developments to please the Americans, abolished the USSR (despite the results of the referendum), drafted a constitution on the western liberal liberal patterns and adopted it by an administrative majority, appropriated state, national and party (property 19 million members CPSU) property, they cooked up banks and financial organizations, as if Russia is the birthplace of the dollar ... It seems that they say that the Communists (some even have a party ticket somewhere on the table). Communist-careerists, communist-shifters ... Some communists offer an "eternal kingdom" ...
        3. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 23 March 2020 17: 44 New
          +3
          [quote = AS Ivanov.] However, Stalin was thrown out of the mausoleum, left burry. Can you tell me who did this? It seems they say that the Communists.

          No, the opportunists did it.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 March 2020 11: 43 New
      +10
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      Is that why Putin hates Stalin?

      All the rulers who were after Stalin hated him. Such as Stalin Earth gives birth, one in a century.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 11: 47 New
        -1
        Here I completely agree with you. Stalin is unique as a statesman. Neither the bald Kremlin dreamer, nor Nikita, a voluntarist, nor Lenka, were five stars; they did not stand next to him. I’m silent about the rest.
      2. A.TOR
        A.TOR 24 March 2020 14: 22 New
        -2
        Such as Stalin Earth gives birth, one in a century.

        it’s good that 1 time, two countries will not survive for sure
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 25 March 2020 18: 48 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Such as Stalin Earth gives birth, one in a century.

        Stalin is Bruce Lee in politics!
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 15: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      Is that why Putin hates Stalin?

      He is simply afraid of his glory - the glory of the Supreme, the glory of the organizer and mastermind of the military and labor victories of the Soviet people. And suddenly the people will think about why it was in the most severe times: “For the Motherland! For Stalin! ”, But in“ happy today ”one cannot hear:“ For Putin! For the Federation Council! For the State Duma! If I am destined to die from poverty or the coronavirus, consider me an edros. ”
      hi
    4. smphantom
      smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 50 New
      0
      The people vs Putin? ...
  • Ivan Kolodin
    Ivan Kolodin 23 March 2020 10: 58 New
    +12
    We have a personality cult today in the most hypocritical form ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 23 March 2020 14: 02 New
      +7
      Yes, full of you! The people believed Stalin sincerely. And now people spit. The fact that now the court servitor is trying to create a cult is a hopeless undertaking!
    2. Fuethe
      Fuethe 23 March 2020 16: 40 New
      +3
      But the audience is funny on the site. I allowed myself to say a little bit in detail what you said in one line and minus me, and you have seven pluses. I do not envy you, but I salute ... that means, nevertheless, I am right ...
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 16: 58 New
        -4
        Fuethe (Phil)
        But the audience is funny on the site. I allowed myself to say a little bit in detail what you said in one line and minus me, and you have seven pluses. I do not envy you, but I salute ... that means, nevertheless, I am right ...
        Do not bother about this, this does not happen here. It happens that you collect a bunch of minuses for the most harmless comment, and collect a bunch of pluses for some kind of remark that does not have special value.
        I completely agree with you, and as much as I could, I corrected your karma a little. hi
        1. Fuethe
          Fuethe 23 March 2020 17: 04 New
          +2
          Thank you very much. I don’t bother and for a long time I realized for myself that there are, thank God, quite a lot of really smart people with analytical thinking. I hope for them. Well, everyone has the right to judge, and the only real judge is time.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 23 March 2020 11: 01 New
    +1
    We are scared ... but don’t be scared. Is it not clear that the creation of the cult of personality is a way of political struggle with this personality. There is nothing surprising in the fact that “associates” started talking about the personality cult of Stalin.
    Similarly, Putin is now actively sculpted by the cult of personality. One program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin ”is worth it. You just need to understand this and not be conducted 10 times on the same trick.
  • 1970mk
    1970mk 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
    -13
    You are so funny)))) Of course THIS is normal! Of course, let's all! Stalin took the country ... handed over ... At the cost of what?
    1. slasha
      slasha 23 March 2020 12: 44 New
      +1
      At the cost of untermensch like you could live!
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 23 March 2020 16: 21 New
        -10
        Your veneration of this cult surprises with idiocy! Stalin ... Stalin ... For everything paid by repression and dozens of years of free labor .. Do you want that? So declare, for the sake of the country (what else) is ready to work for workdays! I’m ready to live in the dugout in winter and eat swede .... And believe me, if people like you reach 50 million, the country will advance ... Go work for free ... who doesn’t give you .. Just tremble .... Or are you from The current Zyuganov commies? So you would, led by Comrade Zyu, under Lyubimets Stalin now would immediately tower! Without any courts, your deeds ..
        1. slasha
          slasha 25 March 2020 12: 37 New
          0
          What is the need to bring the country and people to look for the future in the past!
        2. DeusExMachina
          DeusExMachina 25 March 2020 14: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: 1970mk
          Your veneration of this cult surprises with idiocy! Stalin ... Stalin ... For everything paid by repression and dozens of years of free labor .. Do you want that? So declare, for the sake of the country (what else) is ready to work for workdays! I’m ready to live in the dugout in winter and eat swede .... And believe me, if people like you reach 50 million, the country will advance ... Go work for free ... who doesn’t give you .. Just tremble .... Or are you from The current Zyuganov commies? So you would, led by Comrade Zyu, under Lyubimets Stalin now would immediately tower! Without any courts, your deeds ..


          Amazing lie. Can you at least give a definition of the term "repression"? Or do you care so much that you simply work out the Yakovlev program?
          When an uneducated maize wanted to pour a tub of slop on his own country, interesting commissions were created from his filing, the task of which was to search for “innocent convicts”. Digging. They dug a nose. Dug 0,75% in the same Ukraine. Although they rummaged over two hundred thousand cases. And so they were all completely innocent, yes. And no one was engaged in terrorism. And they did not participate in conspiracies. The collective farmers were not terrorized. And the water was not poisoned. And the grain is not spoiled. In general, all were fluffy paws.

          Collective farming was the only possible way to save the dying agricultural sector inherited from the Russian Empire. Well, either it was possible to act as you like, the supporters of the “free market” - “well, they will die out ten million, they do not fit into the market, it happens.”

          As for the issue of “free labor”, firstly, it’s simply not true - even the labor of prisoners was paid.
          Secondly, there were a huge number of people who quite consciously went to various construction sites (and paid beautifully for this). Due to the built by them, all our local anti-Soviet, for example, live.


          But you really don’t give a damn about how it was, so what am I going to crucify here.
    2. Fuethe
      Fuethe 23 March 2020 16: 44 New
      +12
      And you look back, in the past and see the price .... A highly developed and highly educated country. Such that so far there has been something to grab ... Who is it now? With education, not so much, healthcare ... well, better keep quiet ... then you can list a lot and in the end - there is no money, but you hold on. And where is the money then? .... That’s how you can’t see large new buildings of state scale. The bridge does not count ....
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 23 March 2020 18: 29 New
        -7
        That's just Bayek about a highly educated Stalinist country is not necessary! 1941 year How about education? Read archived reports. The same Brest Fortress ... defense .... 60% of the personnel are illiterate .... 30% of the personnel do not know the Russian language! The numbers are not accurate, I don’t remember from memory, but something like this ... and EVERYWHERE IN THE ARMY! What is surprising what happened after this ... And THIS is just the real story and not speculation.
        And about the construction sites ... Yes, as many as you want, you can start now! Call-free .... What is the problem then? Then for the population, too, there was no money at all ..... now the population is buzzing, sorry, meanwhile, is no match ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 March 2020 20: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: 1970mk
          30% of the personnel do not know the Russian language!

          But now it’s enough to sit in different forums, and even here, and it becomes clear that now there are already more than 30% of semi-literate people. Moreover, if before this they were ashamed, now they are proud, As I can, I write.
          P.S. I offer answers to such "literate" to write their own language, let them try to understand.
          1. 1970mk
            1970mk 23 March 2020 20: 36 New
            -4
            I offer you the same))) Work for free for a 10-year stew? Are you a fan of Stalin? Something everyone is moving off the topic ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 23 March 2020 20: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: 1970mk
              Work for free for 10 years stew?

              And can you document more about free work for chowder for 10 years?
              1. 1970mk
                1970mk 23 March 2020 21: 02 New
                -4
                And can you document more about free work for chowder for 10 years?

                Do you doubt that under Comrade Stalin the collective farmers lived from hand to mouth .... and worked for workdays? Or do you doubt that the workers lived in Baraki and actually worked "for a meal"? About 10 years - I think this period is enough for people like you fans of the actions of the Stalin system (if you get at least 50 million) to raise the country ... build factories and more. Work for free! For the stew .. What are you all moving out then? Forward!
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 24 March 2020 17: 02 New
                  +3
                  You write propaganda nonsense and show complete ignorance of history.
                  It is in today's Russia that you can work and not get money, even at an object of state importance. Aw wake up, open the eyes of a hard worker!
                  1. 1970mk
                    1970mk 24 March 2020 17: 22 New
                    -2
                    And you are just Sick! Now ... with Any foreign money, people for millet with chicken is Enough! Stop raving! Do you want in that era? Live in a barrack, get a "stew" or workdays? So GO! Slaves are needed now! Go work for FREE AT ALL! But don’t go for something))) Just tremble!
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 24 March 2020 18: 56 New
                      +3
                      Horror, you have porridge in your head. People lived, worked, fell in love, gave birth to children, educated them, and you too, as I understand it, are not a product of capitalism.
                      There is no need to throw agitation here, if you have been brainwashed with all sorts of rubbish, this does not mean that I will turn mine into garbage.
                      PS. I see you are not only earned for millet! What have you done for the country?
                    2. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 25 March 2020 10: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: 1970mk
                      Now ... with Any foreign money, people for millet with chicken is Enough!

                      ++ you smile I already liked it! only the dream disappeared, or rather, it remained in the advertisements, but an inner conviction was added that all this was not available. It humiliates people and causes discontent, grumble. After all, people are all equal
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 25 March 2020 10: 05 New
              0
              Quote: 1970mk
              Work for free for 10 years stew?

              But do not fight for the rights of gladiators?
      2. smphantom
        smphantom 26 March 2020 12: 58 New
        0
        ... With education, not so much, healthcare ... well, better keep quiet ...
        Are education and health interconnected?
        Compare the number of cases in the "bastion of democracy" and in Russia.
        > 30 / 000. ?
  • Ivan Kolodin
    Ivan Kolodin 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
    +9
    I remind you that the president said that week that all problems are in the October 1917 revolution, and its economic consequences for all countries ... That's right, and you thought why gasoline is expensive, and the buck is growing, and that’s all Lenin’s bastard spoiled everything Siluanova ... And Sechin ...
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 24 March 2020 19: 00 New
      +2
      Is this Putin said? Well, if he said that, then Russia is definitely the end. With such a wealth of knowledge and mentality, but with unlimited power ...
      As they say, everyone is dangerous, and if he is in power then it is fatal.
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 25 March 2020 16: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Ivan Kolodin
      from so, and you thought why gasoline is expensive

      In fact, we are in 10th place in the world for the cheapness of gasoline.
  • BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 23 March 2020 11: 04 New
    +17
    Every year I am enraged by the lying meanness of the authorities at the May 9 parade ... The victory is great ... and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, no matter how. The war, as it were, won, the troops themselves moved, armed, supplied ...
    Or maybe the current supreme has nothing to do with it? The troops themselves exist ... frolic around Syria ...
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 March 2020 12: 05 New
      -1
      Does he just give the people the death of our boys in Syria?
      To whom in our country all resources are uploaded. The people have a saying on someone else's hump to enter paradise ...
      1. ser56
        ser56 23 March 2020 14: 25 New
        -5
        Quote: Campanella
        What gives the people the death of our boys in Syria?

        But what did the death of our military in China or Spain in the 1930s give him?
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 35 New
          +8
          Don’t you know? Stalin built an economically powerful state. And what did Putin build? Paradise for the oligarchs. And he also wants to write “beauty” in words into the constitution.
          And now it’s clear that his National Projects will be covered with a copper basin in the current situation.
          1. ser56
            ser56 24 March 2020 11: 36 New
            -3
            Quote: Campanella
            Stalin built an economically powerful state.

            However, Russian people lived in it poorly, starving ... request
            Quote: Campanella
            And what did Putin build? Paradise for the oligarchs

            but somehow others live well .. hi shops are full, prices for most goods are lower than in the USSR ...
            Quote: Campanella
            And now it’s clear that his National Projects will be covered with a copper basin in the current situation.

            But how many promises of the authorities in the USSR did not come true? remember? bully
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 24 March 2020 13: 04 New
              +5
              And you try to fight for 30 years, then you will understand why. Now, taking into account the peaceful situation and the Soviet stock, we are now in deep opera.
              You know, having lived in the USSR and present-day Russia, I can clearly say that diversity does not make a person’s life better. For life, you need a standard set of high quality products. And I would bring all the diversity to other forms, science, culture, human development.
              And technological progress would be closely linked with the benefits and consequences.
              As for the rest, which are not bad, you are clearly exaggerating. What are your measurements? In the parrots?
              To promise does not mean to marry, as I understand it, you are a man of his word and you keep all your promises?
              1. ser56
                ser56 24 March 2020 13: 43 New
                -2
                Quote: Campanella
                And you try to fight for 30 years, then you will understand why.

                but why was fighting for 30 years? What did the 1917 revolution bring to us - apart from deaths, the destruction of agriculture and industry, and the coming to power of incompetent but bloody ghouls? request
                Quote: Campanella
                You know, having lived in the USSR and present-day Russia, I can clearly say that diversity does not make a person’s life better.

                I also lived in the USSR and live in the Russian Federation - I have a different conclusion ... I do not know about you, but I was tired of the race for shortages after work ... request And yet, I like to watch the world myself, and not through the eyes of Senkevich ... hi
                Quote: Campanella
                For life, you need a standard set of high quality products.

                in your opinion ... by the way, in the USSR this set was not ... request
                Quote: Campanella
                science, culture, human development.

                you are an idealist ... hi
                Quote: Campanella
                And technological progress would be closely linked with the benefits and consequences.

                who knew that the discovery of the technology for the production of chemical dyes from coal tar would lead to the creation of poisonous gases ... request
                Quote: Campanella
                As for the rest, which are not bad, you are clearly exaggerating.

                can be more specific?
                Quote: Campanella
                What are your measurements? In the parrots?

                I don’t advise arguing with me about metrology ... hi
                Quote: Campanella
                as I understand it, you are a man of his word and keep all your promises?

                1) are you so interested in my personality? I try not to talk in vain, especially to children and at work ... request
                2) The authorities of the USSR lied meaningfully - to obtain power and everything that is attached to it ... request
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 24 March 2020 17: 11 New
                  +2
                  I wanted to give a detailed answer, but I decided it makes no sense. You are not a boy to change your beliefs.
                  Therefore, I will say the following, you have your own truth, I have my own. You do not accept my world, I am not interested in yours.
                  Therefore, I think that at least two worlds are correct.
                  Capitalism to you with all the goodies, and leave me socialism with all its problems.
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 24 March 2020 18: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Campanella
                    and leave me socialism with all its problems.

                    One in the past ... request The trivial question is - why didn’t you defend it in 1991?
                    Quote: Campanella
                    You do not accept my world, I am not interested in yours.

                    consensus... hi
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 25 March 2020 09: 13 New
                      +2
                      I’ll tell you sedition, in 1991 I went after Yeltsin and was at the White House. Then he regretted it very much. Our naivety is political, propaganda, and of course Gorbachev's chatter very much helped the bastards seize power. The people deliberately disoriented and betrayed. All worthless people like Yakovlev AN, Gaidar, Sobchak and others.
                      As for socialism, this future is certain, and capitalism in its current form will outlive and will most likely transform into something else. A polar world is possible and likely to be two. Again, this is more consistent with the world order.
                      So do not rush to conclusions.
                      Ideas do not die.
                      1. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 12: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        I’ll tell you sedition, in 1991 I went after Yeltsin and was at the White House.

                        not surprised based on your messages ... request I was at the election headquarters of Yeltsin’s opponents in the elections to the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR .. repeat
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Our political naivety, propaganda and of course Gorbachev's chatter very much helped the bastards seize power.

                        aha, it's all your fault that you didn’t want / think ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        People deliberately disoriented and betrayed. All worthless people like Yakovlev AN, Gaidar, Sobchak and others.

                        you are mistaken - the people, to put it mildly, did not like SV for the mess that was in the RSFSR ... they forgot already - a constant shortage, gray houses, drunkenness and hooliganism, teenage gangs, etc. Hopelessness was terrible - even normal books buy a problem ... i.e. not materials of the 2nd Congress or LIB's speech ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        As for socialism, this future is certain

                        experience shows that you do not analyze information well ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Ideas do not die.

                        Wow! There are always enough fools ... have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? I recommend - there everything that was in the USSR during the temporary detention facility was written in black and white ...
                      2. Campanella
                        Campanella 25 March 2020 13: 59 New
                        +1
                        What did you find in my posts? Is that even interesting?
                        And about the analysis in more detail, should I make work on the errors or have you already diagnosed me?
                        I did not want to “think” about it, perhaps, but most likely the lack of reliable information led to erroneous judgments.
                        You were in the election commission, I didn’t.
                        And all those slop that poured and poured on the head of the people are far from the truth.
                        I read the manifesto, but I don’t remember anything mentioning about the USSR and Stalin. Perhaps these are your fantasies ...
                        Threat. And for whom did you drown in the election commission "against Yeltsin" for Khasbulatov and Rutsky? Or for the Soviet government?
                      3. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 15: 23 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You were in the election commission, I didn’t.

                        I was at the headquarters of the candidate ... hi
                        Quote: Campanella
                        I read the manifesto, but I don’t remember anything mentioning about the USSR and Stalin. Perhaps these are your fantasies ...

                        I'm too lazy to discuss in this format - you want to dope - your right ... hi
                        Quote: Campanella
                        And for whom did you drown in the election commission "against Yeltsin" for Khasbulatov and Rutsky? Or for the Soviet government?

                        there are not 2 ways, they are noticeably larger, alas, but people tend to simplify complex issues ... repeat
                      4. Campanella
                        Campanella 25 March 2020 16: 47 New
                        0
                        You are fooling around! I am not going to read your thoughts if you are not able to state them.
                        But the fact that there are many ways this is a no brainer. Tested 2 ways. China is experimenting and it is not clear what will come of it. But in principle, the future lies with the social state, and not with the garbage dump for which you are drowning.
                      5. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 17: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You are fooling around! I am not going to read your thoughts if you are not able to state them.

                        Quote: Campanella
                        I read the manifesto, but I don’t remember anything mentioning about the USSR and Stalin.

                        I politely showed you that you are fooling around - in the middle of the 19th century, when the manifesto was not written either for the IVS or the USSR ... but the ideas on which the USSR was created are outlined there ..
                        here is a quote from chapter 2:
                        "8. The same compulsory labor for all, the establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
                        9. The combination of agriculture with industry, the promotion of the gradual elimination of the distinction between town and country13.
                        10. Public and free education of all children. Elimination of factory labor of children in its modern form. The combination of education with material production, etc. "
                        item 8. this is the collective farms and enslavement of workers in the factories, which was during the temporary detention facility ...
                        item 9. this is the transformation of peasants into agricultural workers - it was not Khrushchev who came up with ... request
                        item 10. this is labor reserves in temporary detention facilities ... request
                        so learn Marxism if you like socialism ... bully
                        Quote: Campanella
                        But in principle, the future lies with the social state, and not with the garbage dump for which you are drowning.

                        1) Read the constitution of the Russian Federation bully
                        2) If you liked to buy shitty sausage on coupons in the USSR - these are your problems ... request
                      6. Campanella
                        Campanella 25 March 2020 20: 14 New
                        0
                        Strange you, the sarcasm about Stalin and the USSR is not clear to you, as well as the fact that the Soviet project died due to dogmatism. You persistently suggest literally following all points of the manifest. The successors of the ideas of Karl Marx and Engels creatively reinterprets ideas in accordance with realities and this is the norm of life.
                        What you are trying to prove to me, I don’t understand, probably you simply do not have good arguments in your favor.
                        My position is simple - the current government has discredited itself and this is a fact, while I am not a fan of Navalny and I understand that it is also a consequence of the regime’s weak position and its insolvency.
                        If you persistently stand on the side of the regime, you will find yourself without pants and without food in the midst of a bloody pack. The history of people like you does not teach anything, and in vain you bring historical documents here if you do not understand their essence.
                      7. ser56
                        ser56 26 March 2020 11: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Strange you, sarcasm about Stalin and the USSR you do not understand

                        you don’t understand the difference between text and personal conversation ... - in the test emotion is made a smiley ...
                        Quote: Campanella
                        The Soviet project died due to dogmatism.

                        Seriously? bully K remember. what did the apostates from the party line do? Try to understand - any book teaching is utopian in principle ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You persistently suggest literally following all points of the manifest.
                        This is not me - figures of the USSR ...
                        Quote: Campanella
                        The successors of the ideas of Karl Marx and Engels creatively reinterprets ideas in accordance with realities and this is the norm of life.

                        Elsie is no secret - but what is sacred in these ideas, what needs to be developed? What drove them to you at school? bully
                        Quote: Campanella
                        the current government has discredited itself and this is a fact

                        do not share - what?
                        Quote: Campanella
                        If you persistently stand on the side of the regime, you will find yourself without pants and without food in the midst of a bloody pack.

                        and I'm not cowardly ... bully and far from being a fan of GDP, .. repeat I just know how to think - this is rare in the Russian Federation and the world ... hi
                        Quote: Campanella
                        The history of people like you does not teach anything, and in vain you bring historical documents here if you do not understand their essence.

                        Not at all - I understand the essence and show you ... However - throwing beads is stupid ... crying
                      8. Campanella
                        Campanella 26 March 2020 14: 43 New
                        +2
                        Based on the last paragraph of your speech full of deep content, your content side as a person is clear. I can answer in a similar way with an insult, but I think it will not help.
                        With emoticons (which I honestly do not pay attention to) or without them, the meaning of your appeals is that socialism has lost, outlived itself and must leave, because you think so, without looking back at reality. But it is such that the ideas of a social, just society are alive and will live.
                        You persistently click on the origins of Marxism, I’m trying to tell you that they (ideas) are alive and adapt to modern realities, as Lenin said.
                        As for ideas, the value of Marxism is not in its sacredness, but in the heuristic meaning of ideas.
                        What you can think of is good, but the result of your thoughts is not clear.
                        What have you come to?
                        Socialism seemed meaningless to you, and what did you stop at? Imperialism, anarchism, or something of their own?
                        I see your criticism, but no suggestions? Or didn’t I hear something?
                        I understand you are a supporter of "civilized" capitalism?
                      9. ser56
                        ser56 26 March 2020 16: 35 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Campanella
                        understand your meaningful side as a person.

                        you are insightful ... bully
                        Quote: Campanella
                        that the ideas of a social, just society are alive and will live.
                        ideas are one thing ... in dreams everything is always good ... however, in the vile reality, socialism turned out to be very bloody, and people there are not very satisfying ... request Several field experiments were performed - Germany, Korea, Vietnam, China - the results are similar ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        But modern realities, Lenin spoke of this.

                        VIL's ideas turned out to be wrong ... he himself admitted it ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        What you can think of is good, but the result of your thoughts is not clear.

                        he is embodied in attitudes - I am not a scholastic ... repeat
                        Quote: Campanella
                        I understand you are a supporter of "civilized" capitalism?

                        I am not a supporter of names, but the result - that people live well, joyfully, safely and freely ... request The best result was achieved in Scandinavia, however, they went crazy on a perverse understanding of equality, because abandoned God ... hi
                      10. Campanella
                        Campanella 26 March 2020 17: 05 New
                        +4
                        Is bloody socialism? Is capitalism a lamb? Is it the result of your thoughts? In my opinion, you overestimate your abilities or you have gaps in historical knowledge.
                        You are a supporter of the results. I noticed that you are not a creator, you are a consumer and your philosophy is the same. Therefore, to prove to you the importance of the idea does not make sense. I do not argue in categories of names and even more so the results.
                      11. ser56
                        ser56 26 March 2020 18: 50 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Is bloody socialism?

                        Yes
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Is capitalism a lamb? Is it the result of your thoughts?

                        no, but it’s well written about him in the Manifesto ...
                        Quote: Campanella
                        you are not a creator, you are a consumer and your philosophy is the same

                        I have 31 RF patents, how many do you have? bully
                        Quote: Campanella
                        I do not argue in categories of names and even more so the results.

                        you are not capable ...
                      12. Campanella
                        Campanella 26 March 2020 23: 19 New
                        +3
                        An immodest question, what did you patent and when?
                        And if I tell you that I have twice as many of them as you?
                        Who is well written about in the manifesto and where does the manifesto come from? Bloody capitalism, simply by nowhere in the blood. During the second half of the 20th century, more than 50 million people died in the wars unleashed by the United States. You don’t know the champion of sausage and clothes.
                        About my abilities not for you to judge with your horizons.
                      13. ser56
                        ser56 27 March 2020 12: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Campanella
                        An immodest question, what did you patent and when?

                        yes a lot of things - you want to know, contact on drugs ...
                        Quote: Campanella
                        And if I tell you that I have twice as many of them as you?

                        tell me ... repeat
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Who is well written about in the manifesto and where does the manifesto come from?

                        don't want to study? your problems ... because propaganda deceives you ... hi
                        Quote: Campanella
                        capitalism, there’s just nowhere in the blood

                        we modestly recall the Gulag, the Holodomor, dispossession, the Red Terror ... and this is with us ... and then the Cultural Revolution in China or Kampuchea ... so what is there to blame for socialism?
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You don’t know the champion of sausage and clothes.

                        1) I know how many people died in the wars unleashed by the USSR and its satellites, so do not commie to stand up ... bully
                        2) As I understand it, you like to eat stuck together macaroni, dress in a quilted jacket, drink andropovka, and is treated for all diseases with aspirin .... hi Oh, fools in Russia ... request
                        Quote: Campanella
                        About my abilities not for you to judge with your horizons.

                        oh, pug, to know she is strong ... crying
                      14. Campanella
                        Campanella 27 March 2020 16: 37 New
                        0
                        You repeated the set of propaganda cliches,
                        But do not answer in essence.
                        Emptiness may not be significant, but it can easily be snobby.
                        You do not know the person, make a diagnosis. Are you friends with your head at all? Or is it not characteristic of trolls?
                      15. ser56
                        ser56 28 March 2020 16: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You repeated the set of propaganda cliches,

                        you are boring ... request
                      16. Campanella
                        Campanella 28 March 2020 19: 30 New
                        0
                        I already heard from you, a giant of thought!
                      17. ser56
                        ser56 30 March 2020 18: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        giant of thought!

                        Quote: Campanella
                        You do not know the person, make a diagnosis. Are you friends with your head at all? Or is it not characteristic of trolls?

                        Quote: ser56
                        oh, pug, know she is strong.

                        bully
                      18. Campanella
                        Campanella 30 March 2020 22: 46 New
                        0
                        Comparing yourself with an elephant is for you. Elephant in a china shop ...
                      19. ser56
                        ser56 31 March 2020 17: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        Comparing yourself to an elephant is for sure

                        aha, I'm big - 188 cm and smart .... hi and what do you recognize in yourself the second character - glad .... love
                      20. Campanella
                        Campanella 31 March 2020 22: 41 New
                        0
                        An elephant in a china shop ... it's not an elephant and a pug. I agree with you, you are longer!)))
                      21. ser56
                        ser56 April 1 2020 16: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        you are longer!)))

                        it when I sleep ... and so - above ... hi
                      22. Campanella
                        Campanella April 1 2020 16: 36 New
                        0
                        Smiled)))
  • CSKA
    CSKA 25 March 2020 17: 47 New
    -2
    Quote: Campanella
    As for socialism, this future is certain, and capitalism in its current form will outlive

    )))))) A familiar tune somewhere I already heard it. Oh yes, I remembered. Here capitalism will collapse, and we will build communism.))))) Something I do not see communism.
    Quote: Campanella
    I’ll tell you sedition, in 1991 I went after Yeltsin and was at the White House.

    Here I was arguing with one comrade officer Mortir at the Military District. He came up with another excuse. There was no order, and so in the 91st he was very sorry that the ebn supporters did not shoot. Conclusion. It was necessary for him and people like him to shoot people like you.
    Quote: Campanella
    Possible and most likely will be two polar world

    He is already multipolar.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 26 March 2020 14: 57 New
    +1
    Well, you don’t see communism ..and I don’t see it. But socialism is alive.
    Capitalism also does not stand still. So wait and see ... or maybe we do not have time to see.

    Then I thought about August. I can say that if we were shot, it would probably be better, but not a fact. Gorbachev went too far through the system. And it is not a fact that the State Emergency Committee would have the intelligence to adequately get out of the situation. There was a very great mistrust of power in general. Yeltsin even won because he offered quite radical things, though it turned out to be a lie and PR, but this is a different issue.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 25 March 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    Quote: ser56
    but why was fighting for 30 years? what the 1917 revolution brought us

    she gave the people a dream .. and Stalin smile
    1. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 12: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: aybolyt678
      she gave the people a dream ..

      a dream is good, especially when hunger and getting dressed there is only a quilted jacket ... request
      Quote: aybolyt678
      And Stalin

      why did you like this Caucasian bandit? bully We in Siberia called him Gutalin ... repeat
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 25 March 2020 14: 05 New
        0
        The people have such a habit of giving nicknames. If one of the Siberians gave the nickname, this does not mean that the others took it. You are the first to report this.
        Strange you are an analyst, I would say specifically selective.
        1. ser56
          ser56 25 March 2020 14: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: Campanella
          The people have such a habit of giving nicknames.

          it's not a nickname - it drove ... request
          Quote: Campanella
          You are the first to report this.

          you just don't know much ... hi it drove him from the time of the link ...
          Quote: Campanella
          Strange you are an analyst, I would say specifically selective.

          in your opinion ... let's just say that you are poorly informed and think within the framework set by propaganda ... request
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 25 March 2020 15: 11 New
          0
          You can of course, all the bullshit here vtyuhivat and talk about poor information. Why did you wind up in the 50s? I'm not particularly interested in criminal slang.
          Stalin had many nicknames, but what does all this have to do with it?
        3. ser56
          ser56 25 March 2020 17: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: Campanella
          Why did you wind up in the 50s?

          I am from Siberia, many have served with us, some for something, some for that ... request
          Quote: Campanella
          I'm not particularly interested in criminal slang.

          so Stalin was a criminal - robbed banks, engaged in racket ... request
          Quote: Campanella
          Stalin had a lot of nicknames

          he is not a dog, so he drove, however you want ... repeat
        4. Campanella
          Campanella 25 March 2020 17: 32 New
          0
          Siberian divisions were one of the strongest and most reliable in the war of 41-45. They defended the country, which then such Siberians as you sold for food and clothes imported But you can see from other Siberians ....
        5. ser56
          ser56 25 March 2020 18: 00 New
          -1
          Quote: Campanella
          But you can see from other Siberians ....

          there was a verbal flow of insults - you have no arguments, however, like culture ... good luck! I don’t see any reason to discuss with you ... request
        6. Campanella
          Campanella 25 March 2020 20: 19 New
          0
          You just have nothing to answer, you ancestors betrayed sausage for clothes! What a discussion here .. pro-government stamps are printing on your own behalf.
        7. ser56
          ser56 26 March 2020 11: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Campanella
          you ancestors betrayed sausage for clothes!

          1) by no means - this is your soviet fad ... anyone who does not agree is a traitor ... request
          2) All the leaders of the USSR who had access to the dispensers when the people were starving or malnourished were WHO? If you don’t understand, people live now, and a good future is a fairy tale for fooling the masses like you ... request Just look - how all revolutionaries lived after 1917!
          Quote: Campanella
          . pro-government stamps print on your behalf.

          modern power is not always and not in everything wrong ... request Decided to become a revolutionary? Gallop so the revolution will turn you into a beggar ... request
        8. Campanella
          Campanella 26 March 2020 16: 55 New
          0
          What did I call for a revolution?
          It is difficult to classify my completely legitimate demands on power as a call for revolution. But with your tolerance for power, you are leading the country into a revolution. Since 1991, I criticize the authorities and try to change their free interpretation of their rights and obligations. And people like you, with your phobia, feeding her swagger and cynicism and complete indifference to the problems of the people.
          Yes, in words, Putin is simply the father of the people, but he has personally been convinced more than once that these are nothing more than words.
        9. ser56
          ser56 26 March 2020 18: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: Campanella
          What did I call for a revolution?

          Yes
          Quote: Campanella
          It is difficult to classify my completely legitimate demands on power as a call for revolution.

          so cowardly?

          Quote: Campanella
          Since 1991, I have been criticizing the authorities and trying to change their free interpretation of their rights and obligations

          you brought them to power and are responsible for this ...
          Quote: Campanella
          And people like you, with your phobia, feeding her swagger and cynicism and complete indifference to the problems of the people.

          you are boring ...
          Quote: Campanella
          Yes, in words Putin is just a father people

          and you think ...
        10. Campanella
          Campanella 26 March 2020 23: 28 New
          +1
          Imagine a quote from my calls for revolution.
          And then your idle talk is more like a denunciation. It’s like you sent people to the camps with your denunciations, dealing with objectionable people.
        11. ser56
          ser56 27 March 2020 12: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Campanella
          It’s like you sent people to the camps with your denunciations, dealing with objectionable people.

          I wrote earlier that you are cowardly ... bully
        12. Campanella
          Campanella 27 March 2020 16: 38 New
          0
          Where is the link to my calls for revolution, idle talk.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 25 March 2020 17: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: ser56
    I am from Siberia, many have served with us, some for something, some for that ...

    Do you have it with aliens? And how many "many"?
  • ser56
    ser56 25 March 2020 18: 01 New
    -1
    Quote: mat-vey
    Do you have it with aliens? And how many "many"?

    oh, pug, know she is strong, since barks at an elephant .... repeat
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 25 March 2020 18: 09 New
    +1
    Here you are all about the doctor ... Or maybe you really need to? And then megalomania she is ...
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 25 March 2020 15: 10 New
    0
    Quote: ser56
    why did you like this Caucasian bandit?

    Dzhugashvili Joseph wrote poetry in childhood, which he published in his childhood. The child believed in goodness and beauty ....
    Thank you for your indifference +++ smile
    "a dream is good, especially when hunger is over" Happiness - there is a sense of perspective, isn't it? When there is a dream and the ability to take a small step towards her - isn't that wonderful ??? +++ smile
    1. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 17: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Dzhugashvili Joseph wrote poetry in childhood, which he published in his childhood.

      do you know georgian
      Quote: aybolyt678
      a dream is good especially when hunger

      with hunger, they dream of eating ... request
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 March 2020 18: 31 New
      0
      Well .. not original. It was published in the Chrestomathy of Georgian Literature at the beginning of the 20th century; under his authority, something was translated into Russian, therefore Georgian is not required
      Quote: ser56
      with hunger, they dream of eating ...

      Didn’t you study in a Soviet school? yes there were many dreams! Ostrovsky, space, etc. .. In spite I will put you a plus sign +++ lol
    3. ser56
      ser56 25 March 2020 18: 53 New
      0
      Quote: aybolyt678
      therefore Georgian is optional

      poems must be read in their native language ... request
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Didn’t you study in a Soviet school?

      studied, but did not starve ... request
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Ostrovsky, space, etc.

      what a nonsense ... bully we had other dreams, alas, not all came true ... I didn’t understand Pavka - this is a strange type, and space in my youth was already a routine ... request
    4. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 March 2020 21: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: ser56
      poems must be read in their native language ...

      and what is your own? and what does it change? Omar Khayyam and Shakespeare canceled? you disappoint me here ++
      Quote: ser56
      studied, but did not starve ...
      and previously they wrote that Russia was starving +++, or maybe you're one of those .... partyocrats :?

      Quote: ser56
      what a delirium ... bully we had other dreams, alas, not all came true ... I didn’t understand Pavka - this is a strange type, and space in my youth was already a routine ...

      why did they go to nuclear energy? and not fate to come up with a nuclear rocket engine? That's probably due to the fact that they did not fight for dreams and the embryo of the country of happiness was killed.
      by tradition plus sign +++ love
    5. ser56
      ser56 26 March 2020 11: 54 New
      0
      Quote: aybolyt678
      and what is your own?

      And I'm Russian....
      Quote: aybolyt678
      and what does it change? Omar Khayyam and Shakespeare canceled?

      the authors you indicated conveyed the idea - it is easy to translate it into another language ... but the poet conveys an emotion that is tied to the language ...
      Quote: aybolyt678
      you disappoint me here ++
      It's your problems... request
      Quote: aybolyt678
      or maybe you are from those same .... partyocrats :?

      I'm in another department ... repeat
      Quote: aybolyt678
      and not fate to come up with a nuclear rocket engine?

      I did and am doing no less interesting things ... repeat and what you wanted to say is that they are doing a small nuclear power plant for space and an engine with beams ... hi
      Quote: aybolyt678
      That's probably due to the fact that they did not fight for dreams and the embryo of the country of happiness was killed.

      I have not so bloated eg. so that I identify with the country ... I have achieved a lot in my life, I have 4 children, so in essence I am happy ... wink
    6. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 March 2020 12: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: ser56
      I'm not so bloated eg
      ++
      but right now it will burst! such people communicate with me in search of truth! smile
      I would like to take this opportunity to ask - is this engine that is on beams, is it shunting or can gravity be defeated by it ??
    7. ser56
      ser56 26 March 2020 16: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      is this engine which is in bunches, is it shunting or can gravity be defeated by it ??

      no, this is for interplanetary flights ... shunting is usually electric discharge ...
    8. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 March 2020 20: 55 New
      0
      eternal automatic bold plus forever !!!
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 23 March 2020 15: 57 New
    +8
    "....... and what did the death of our military in China or Spain in the 1930s give him?"

    Victory in the Second World War.
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 37 New
      -3
      Quote: Marine engineer
      Victory in the Second World War.

      and now why don’t you see the obvious? that it’s better to kill Dushmans in Syria ...
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 24 March 2020 14: 55 New
        0
        “And now why don't you see the obvious? that it’s better to kill Dushmans in Syria ... "

        I don’t see, because there is nothing “obvious” in your analogy.
        In China and Spain, the Stalinist USSR solved its state tasks while acting as the SUBJECT of world politics.
        Russia entered Syria to solve the problems of Gazprom managers (to break Erdogan into three strings of the Turkish Stream) and here our country has already become the OBJECT of foreign policy.
        After the Turk showed his friend Vladimir that he had “steel eggs” (the destruction of the Su-24), he had to abandon the original plan (taking control of the Syrian-Turkish border in order to have advantages in negotiations with the Turks on laying three strings of the Turkish stream) and for the “small price” to help the Saudis “sort out” their irreconcilable ideological adversary - ISIS, which is banned in Russia, and at this stage Russia has become a TOOL of foreign policy.
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 16: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: Marine engineer
          SUBJEC

          probably this is the subject? bully
          Quote: Marine engineer
          Russia entered Syria to solve the problems of Gazprom managers
          if not a secret, during Soviet times, what did our advisers do there? bully
          Quote: Marine engineer
          and here our country has already become the OBJECT of someone else's policy.

          1) What is good for General Motors is good for America ...
          2) The main shareholder of Gazprom - the Russian Federation ...
          Conclusion - you are confused in words .... request
          Quote: Marine engineer
          Turk showed friend Vladimir that he had “steel eggs”

          You do not remember the recent history well or you knowingly lie - the Turk came and bowed and apologized ... request
          Quote: Marine engineer
          for the “small price” to help the Saudis “sort out” their irreconcilable ideological adversary - ISIS,

          Well, I have no questions, I understood the reason - spring ... wink
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 25 March 2020 18: 07 New
            -3
            Quote: ser56
            Well, I have no questions, I understood the reason - spring ..

            There, a person is as versed in geopolitics as I am in ballet. As we are in the SAR, this turns out to be for Gazprom managers. And what about the USSR in Yemen, Afghanistan, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Angola is not clear. Probably for the people. It was infinitely important to us who defeated Ethiopia or Somalia. Some socialists or others. Otherwise, ordinary people in the USSR could not sleep peacefully.
            1. ser56
              ser56 25 March 2020 18: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: CSKA
              Some socialists or others.

              I note that the socialists were still paying them ... request
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 25 March 2020 18: 04 New
          -3
          Quote: Marine engineer
          Russia entered Syria to solve the problems of Gazprom managers (to break Erdogan into three strings of the Turkish Stream) and here our country has already become the OBJECT of foreign policy.

          Well, rash raced. While they didn’t enter the ATS, such as you whined that Libya had been merged, but now we are merging the ATS. And as they entered, they pulled on a crazy theory about Gazprom.
          Quote: Marine engineer
          I had to abandon the original plan (taking control of the Syrian-Turkish border in order to have advantages in negotiations with the Turks on laying three threads of the Turkish stream)

          What is not theory is nonsense. You at least look at the map of the time fighting. What Makar to the border could go and even more so the Turkish stream does not generally reach the border of the SAR and Turkey. At least they would take the border, for example, and what would it change? Entering the war of the Russian Federation, on the contrary, canceled the construction of the Turkish Stream.
          Quote: Marine engineer
          After the Turk showed his friend Vladimir that he had “steel eggs”

          Yeah, nowhere is more capital. And then they got steel from him, what did he offer negotiations?
          Just put everything upside down.
          Quote: Marine engineer
          and for the "small price"

          What is the small price? What do you grind?
          Quote: Marine engineer
          help the Saudis “figure out” their irreconcilable ideological adversary - ISIS

          You at least turn on your head. CA and ISIS both preach the Wahhabi religion of Islam.
          Quote: Marine engineer
          and at this stage, Russia has become an TOOL of foreign policy.

          What horror are you? You yourself compose and believe in your nonsense. We are such an instrument that they call us everywhere in all negotiations, on any problem in the Middle East.
  • Fuethe
    Fuethe 23 March 2020 16: 50 New
    +4
    In Spain and China, they fought against Fascism. Yes, there these regimes were not by name, but essentially fascist ones. And in Syria? They say that against the radical Islamists. It would be nice, but in my opinion - for oil and gas transit. They didn’t want to let Qatar go to Europe, and they found a convenient occasion ... At the same time, they are doing a good deed ... So our boys, for Miler and Sechin, are laying their heads there. I’m sure they are throwing cons, well, let them ..
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 11: 39 New
      -3
      Quote: Fuethe
      In Spain and China, they fought against Fascism.

      and our business, how do people live there? request Did we like the “volunteers” in Chechnya?
      By the way, in October 1939 the IVS concluded an agreement on Friendship and the border with Hitler ... - what were they fighting for? hi
      Quote: Fuethe
      that our boys for Miler and Sechin put their heads there.

      better when for Karl Marx and F. Lenin? request These though they pay taxes ...
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 14: 53 New
        +2
        and our business, how do people live there?

        Well, Spain is still fine, but you haven’t messed up anything with China?
        By the way, in October 1939 the IVS concluded an agreement on Friendship and the border with Hitler ... - what were they fighting for?

        I read your comments - you have a very peculiar view of what the arguments of something should be.
        Moreover, "for what they fought" for this treaty, did the USSR enter the Third Reich or something so that it would be possible to consider the surrender of its positions? No, I think. What are we talking about then.
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 16: 07 New
          -2
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          but didn’t you mess up with China?

          It’s a pity that you don’t know history well ... our pilots fought and died in the skies of China ... by the way, even the Japanese AV sank ... hi
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          you have a very peculiar view of what the arguments of something should be.

          Thank you!
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          And "for what they fought" for this agreement,

          Trite - fought, fought, and then concluded an agreement on Friendship and the border ... request The question arises - why fought ...
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 19: 20 New
            0
            It’s a pity that you don’t know history well ... our pilots fought and died in the skies of China ... by the way, even the Japanese AV sank ..

            Well, do not evaluate my knowledge of history. Maybe it just allows you not to write this:
            In Spain and China, they fought against Fascism.
            and our business, how do people live there?

            Well, if with Spain such a claim can be rolled in terms of the fact that the civil war and all that. With regard to China, which asked for help from the USSR in repelling the aggression of the country, which a year before joined the Anti-Comintern Pact, it no longer rolls. Since it is not involved in internal conflict.
            Thank you!

            did you decide that was a compliment? Well, let it be so))
            The question arises - why fought ...

            Apart from the "behind the closet" I have nothing to answer such a deep question. I'm sorry.
            1. ser56
              ser56 25 March 2020 12: 01 New
              0
              Quote: A vile skeptic
              Well, don’t have to evaluate my knowledge of history

              Quote: A vile skeptic
              Well, Spain is still fine, but you haven’t messed up anything with China?

              understand yourself - what to write. we answer ... bully
              Quote: A vile skeptic
              With regard to China, which asked for help from the USSR in repelling the aggression of the country, which a year before joined the Anti-Comintern Pact, it no longer rolls.

              1) In China, there was a permanent internal war, and we helped the CCP with Mao and the Kuomintang ... request
              2) Not long before that, we fought with the Kuomintang - Conflict on the CER ...
              3) A year later, we concluded a Friendship and Border Agreement with Germany request
              Everything looks either very cunning or stupid ... request
  • Alf
    Alf 23 March 2020 20: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Barkhan
    Or maybe the current supreme has nothing to do with it?

    But he has nothing to do with the country now. All problems are from bad boyars, but the king is good, he just does not know.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 23 March 2020 20: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: Barkhan
      Or maybe the current supreme has nothing to do with it?

      But he has nothing to do with the country now. All problems are from bad boyars, but the king is good, he just does not know.

      All this is sad. And it’s insulting. He had the opportunity to remain a hero in history. And they will remember the shelter of the oligarchs and the person standing behind the backs of children and old people of Donbass, while they are being shot daily.
      I’m also upset that on this site they stopped talking about shelling from the ukrovermaht ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 20: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Barkhan
        I’m also upset that on this site they stopped talking about shelling from the ukrovermaht ...

        If we start talking about this, and not only here, but also in the media, the question will arise, but what does the wisest do to avoid this? And so we have Syria, where there are no victories, only the victorious end of the war for some reason is not visible ..
        1. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 23 March 2020 21: 37 New
          +1
          “And so we have Syria, where victories do not have numbers, only the victorious end of the war for some reason is not visible ..”

          As one does not overlook, it has already been stated three times that everyone won "take the overcoat (pea jacket) and go home."
  • novel66
    novel66 23 March 2020 11: 06 New
    -4
    next to Stalin Kuklachev ????
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 March 2020 11: 06 New
    +4
    I don’t get it. It seems that the author, constantly citing Stalin as an example, had in mind the current one.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 March 2020 11: 06 New
    +13
    But really ... what is a "personality cult"? Maybe, in fact, "a tribute of respect ... well-deserved respect for a popular person"? Why is the "Stalin personality cult" rumored? And the personality cult of Lenin? Khrushchev? Brezhnev? Putin, finally? But are these "cults" "popular" ... "personalities"? Are they known in the "masses" in comparison with the personality of Stalin? Unlikely! So, perhaps, in fact, the so-called "cult of the personality of Stalin" is a tribute to respect, popular love for your leader? And is the personality cult really “harmful”? Does the cult of personality of Mao Zedong interfere with the Chinese? Deng Xiaoping? In my opinion, hardly! But the "personality cult" of Putin's Russia is clearly in the way! Maybe because, unlike the "Stalin dam", which regulates the supply of the country's power concentration to the turbines of Russia's historical development, the "personality cult" of Putin is a log that was tumbled down by a storm and blocked the stream of the country's current development!?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 March 2020 11: 11 New
      +10
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      But the "personality cult" of Putin's Russia is clearly in the way! Maybe because, unlike the "Stalin dam", which regulates the concentration of the country's power to the turbines of the historical development of Russia, the "personality cult" of Putin is a log felled by a storm and blocking the stream of the current development of the country!?

      Well said hi
  • smaug78
    smaug78 23 March 2020 11: 12 New
    +10
    And so for each leader, including the current president
    A cult is being created, but in comparison with I.V. Stalin, there is no personality ...
  • Justme
    Justme 23 March 2020 11: 18 New
    +7
    My grandmother (Kuznetsova Varvara Georgievna) was a member of the 1937 Komsomol Central Committee. As my relatives told me, of the entire Central Committee, only two were not shot - her and someone else. She, too, was then interrogated (by some kind of denunciation). I asked her about this story several times later.
    Her story was surprisingly always very boring. She was asked during interrogations - were you at this banquet? .. did you participate in that booze? .. were you in that group? .. did you hang out there? ..
    And she is an ascetic, hardworking and very principled person. To her - all this decomposition did not stick.
    By the way, the corruption of leadership that we all saw in the 80s at the lower level annoyed her.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 March 2020 12: 20 New
      +1
      You have a slight inaccuracy, your grandmother was a member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol in 1949, in 1937. it was not a member of the Central Committee. The composition of the Central Committee itself was approximately 100 (one hundred) people, and so many people from the composition of the Central Committee, of course, could not be shot to leave only two people alive.
      I liked your comment myself, no offense, if I corrected it.
      1. Justme
        Justme 23 March 2020 12: 49 New
        +3
        She joined the party in 1923 (herself from 1903), in 1949 she no longer passed the Komsomol by age. In 1949, she was the chief editor of the newspaper Bezhetskaya Pravda. How many people were shot at the Komsomol Central Committee in 1937 - well, maybe there’s a family legend.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 March 2020 12: 58 New
          +4
          I looked at the composition of the Central Committee of the Komsomol -1937. and in 1949, I was simply interested in how the number of the Central Committee was, it turned out to be large. So, in the composition of 1936 (namely 1936), it counted 93 (ninety-three) people.
          It is in the Central Committee of 1949 that your grandmother is listed.
          1. Justme
            Justme 23 March 2020 13: 09 New
            +4
            Perhaps, relatives didn’t tell me that ..
            Well, during the interrogations, she told me herself. There were two denunciations of her and two times the consequence.
            The investigating authorities scrupulously checked everything and didn’t find any complaints about it ... But then, a comrade who didn’t calm down and made these two denunciations, went to the camps.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 23 March 2020 13: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: JustMe
              by 1949 she no longer passed on the Komsomol by age. In 1949, she was the chief editor of the Bezhetskaya Pravda newspaper.

              The Charter of the Komsomol at that time allowed the work of the Communists in the organs of the Central Committee of the Komsomol (to strengthen the Komsomol), they were re-accepted into the Komsomol.
            2. Alf
              Alf 23 March 2020 20: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: JustMe
              The investigating authorities scrupulously checked everything and didn’t find any complaints about it ... But then, a comrade who didn’t calm down and made these two denunciations, went to the camps.

              Here about these lines the current accusers of a bloody tyrant are trying not to remember.
              But the children of the scammer are now screaming loudly, calling themselves and their dad innocent victims.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 23 New
          +2
          Some of the members of the Komsomol Central Committee, led by Kosarev, were shot, while the other part itself took an active part in the repressions and was promoted to the party-Soviet bodies. By the way, in the Komsomol Central Committee there were many people who came out of the Komsomol age. There were people of 35-45 years old, some were under 50.
  • Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
    +16
    The purpose of life and the meaning of Stalin's activity is the struggle for communism.
    The communist is the defining quality of Stalin. Anti-Stalinism is the general quality of anti-communists.
    The Soviet people achieved the most significant successes during the implementation of the Leninist Party Program under the leadership of I.V. Stalin. Under Stalen, the communist nature of socialism was revealed, people of labor were convinced with their own eyes that socialism enters into everyday life and is no longer just an ideal or perspective. Stalin always called himself a pupil of Lenin and emphasized that he devoted his life to serving the cause of the working class.
    1. ser56
      ser56 23 March 2020 14: 27 New
      -11
      Quote: Arlen
      The Soviet people achieved the most significant successes during the implementation of the Leninist Party Program under the leadership of I.V. Stalin

      aha, 4 million fists were robbed, 2 million were exiled request Then the nations began to exile ... success ... request
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 20: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: ser56
        Then the nations began to exile ...

        The unfortunate Chechens and Ingush were exiled at all ...
        1. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 23 March 2020 20: 18 New
          +1
          You also remind him of the Crimean Tatars how many were called up to the KA, how many deserted, how many Germans served.
          1. Alf
            Alf 23 March 2020 20: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Marine engineer
            You also remind him of the Crimean Tatars how many were called up to the KA, how many deserted, how many Germans served.

            Why injure a person, let him continue to read the Twinkle and listen to It’s from Moscow.
            1. Marine engineer
              Marine engineer 23 March 2020 21: 40 New
              +2
              It's cruel.
            2. ser56
              ser56 24 March 2020 11: 49 New
              -3
              Quote: Alf
              let him continue to read the Twinkle and listen to It’s from Moscow.

              I didn’t read or listen, it’s cabbage in your head bully
          2. ser56
            ser56 24 March 2020 11: 52 New
            -5
            Quote: Marine engineer
            how many deserted, how many Germans served.

            and what prevented the Soviet authorities from punishing criminals? Why exile not guilty SOVIET people? Or is this internationalism? bully They always amuse scoops with their conclusions from the 5th point ... bully
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 14: 55 New
              +1
              and what prevented the Soviet authorities from punishing criminals?

              Tell us how it was supposed to be implemented?
              1. ser56
                ser56 24 March 2020 16: 08 New
                -1
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Tell us how it was supposed to be implemented?

                according to Soviet law! By the way - there is no article on the expulsion of peoples ... request
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  according to Soviet law!

                  Sergey, I ask you about practical implementation. Please tell us how it would be implemented according to Soviet law.
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 24 March 2020 18: 17 New
                    -1
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    Sergey, I ask you about practical implementation. Please tell us how it would be implemented according to Soviet law.

                    Timur - your question is, to put it mildly, strange! Just as Soviet law punished deserters and traitors in other areas of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR! hi No one exiled the innocent request
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 19: 06 New
                      +1
                      Just as Soviet law punished deserters and traitors in other areas of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR! hi In this case, no one exiled the innocent

                      But it doesn’t make you think that once in other areas of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, and the BSSR, targeted traitors were punished, if it were possible in relation to the same Crimean Tatars, then they would have done it too. And since they could not do it, then probably something did not allow it to be done. Maybe if you deal with this “something”, then everything will become clear? Memories of the underground help pretty well in this.
                      Here you have a hypothetical village in which if a partisan liaison is found or a bewildered Soviet soldier is looking for his own, then they will surely end up with the Germans. And so on and on. And no one is found from the villagers drowned in a cesspool (here in the village, where my mother came from, so did the villagers with the fascist henchman). Moreover, after the Nazis left, when the threat of reprisal on their part is no longer relevant, there are no “calls” to the law enforcement bodies or the state security. Who will you punish in the village? You have no accused. But there is cooperation with the Nazis.
                      1. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 11: 55 New
                        0
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        if it were possible in relation to the same Crimean Tatars, then they would have done it too.

                        I highly recommend you repeat the subjunctive mood ... request
                        we discuss what has been done .... and this is done not against one people, but several ...
                        It’s certainly easier to send the NKVD troops and send all of them than to look specifically for the guilty ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Who will you punish in the village? You have no accused. But there is cooperation with the Nazis.

                        The NKVD and the NKGB paid money for this - this is their job!
                      2. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 March 2020 12: 13 New
                        +1
                        I recommend you repeat the subjunctive mood.

                        And is there something wrong with him in constructing the above sentence?
                        what to look for specifically guilty ...

                        You say so confidently that you were not looking for them, that you can simply envy such confidence.
                        The NKVD and the NKGB paid money for this - this is their job!

                        Yes, at least you can get rich that it will give, they are not wizards. Here is the situation with the village described above - who will you specifically punish? Sasha, Pasha, Glasha (national specifics of names omitted)? Where do you start at least?
                      3. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 12: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And is there something wrong with him in constructing the above sentence?

                        opportunity, not reality ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Yes, at least you can get rich that it will give, they are not wizards.

                        There is such a thing - search measures, they are commonplace and effective! 100% do not catch, but most of it is caught ... hi
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Here is the situation with the village described above - who will you specifically punish?

                        there is such a novel - Moment of truth - re-read ... Smersh's working conditions are described there ... but people worked ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Where do you start at least?

                        1) Classics of demagoguery ... request
                        2) I do not work in bodies, I am from another department ... hi
                      4. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 March 2020 15: 29 New
                        +1
                        there is such a novel - Moment of truth - re-read ... there the working conditions of Smersh are described ...

                        Oh yes, a complete analogy with the situation under discussion.
                        Here is life, not romance:
                        1942, the village of Raven, with the contact of our group with the inhabitants, the paratroopers were locked. The envoy to the Germans returned with a message - why should we pull us because of this, decide the question yourself. The village decided to chip in money for a new house to the owner and burned the house with our soldiers inside. And there are a long list of such villages in the book “The Partisan Movement of Crimea and the Tatar Question 1941-1944”.
                        There is a simple fact - in the occupied territories of the Crimean Tatars in partisans and underground, there were ten times fewer representatives of this people than in the service of the occupying forces. Moreover, this is according to the data of 1944, when everything was clear with the further owner of the peninsula, but in 1942 the difference was hundreds of times. These are not my words (more precisely, not only my words), this is also in the aforementioned book. What is not a sign of loyalty? What other people can you say about the same ratio?
                        Classics of demagoguery ...

                        The classic of demagoguery is a cry for collective responsibility, as a form of violation of human rights. Its various forms existed, were practiced (moreover, they exist and are practiced) not only in the USSR. And nothing about wartime.
                      5. ser56
                        ser56 25 March 2020 17: 31 New
                        -1
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Oh yes, a complete analogy with the situation under discussion.

                        a complete analogy is not possible ... request but Bogomolov worked in the system ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Here is life, not romance:

                        this is not life, but your statement ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        there were ten times fewer representatives of this people than in the service of the occupying forces

                        1) and what? Is this a basis for exiling women and children? let's just say-you yourself think like a Nazi ... request The Krymchaks were different - Ahmet Khan Sultan - “In total, during the war, Amet Khan Sultan made 603 sorties (70 of them to attack the enemy’s manpower and equipment), conducted 150 air battles, in which he personally shot down 30 and as part of the group 19 enemy aircraft
                        2) Westerners burned Khatyn ... they were exiled after the war? In the Pskov region legions from Latvians were atrocious - why didn’t they be exiled? Why such a selectivity of repression? Chechens exiled, no Latvians ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        What other people can you say about the same ratio?

                        Thank you - I understand everything ... you are a Nazi, you have good and bad peoples ...... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        The classic of demagoguery is a cry for collective responsibility, as a form of violation of human rights.

                        Isn’t that so? By the way, did you read the 1936 USSR Constitution?
                        "Article 123. The equal rights of citizens of the USSR, regardless of their nationality and race, in all areas of economic, state, cultural and socio-political life is an immutable law.
                        Any direct or indirect restriction of rights or, conversely, the establishment of direct or indirect advantages of citizens depending on their race and nationality, as well as any preaching of racial or national exclusiveness, or hatred and neglect, are punishable by law. "
                        Article 127. Citizens of the USSR shall be guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court order or with the approval of a prosecutor.
                      6. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 26 March 2020 09: 18 New
                        +1
                        a complete analogy is not possible ...

                        And here we are not talking about a "complete" analogy, there is no analogy at all.
                        this is not life, but your statement ...

                        This is a statement by the head of the Special Department of the Valiulin district. You wanted investigations. Well. Residents of the village burned people.
                        So what? Is this a basis for exiling women and children?

                        Yes. Or minors had to send all to boarding schools, and adults to the highest degree or 10 years in prison? Would it suit you more? Because, for your information, even in the current Criminal Code, the actions of such villages from the example can be brought under 209 as easy as possible. And the article for banditry is still one of the examples of collective responsibility in our time.
                        Thank you - I understand everything ... you are a Nazi, you have good and bad people .....

                        Really, and where in my text is the division of peoples into good and bad?
                        Another distortion, when the opinion is brought under the fact that repression is not for actions, but for ethnicity.
                        ... why didn’t they be exiled? Why such a selectivity of repression? The Chechens were exiled, no Latvians.

                        So you decide, are you "bloodthirsty" or so-so ..?
                        Isn’t that so? By the way, did you read the 1936 USSR Constitution?

                        Not this way. When you want to wave the constitution in one hand, it is advisable to wave the criminal code in the other hand. And with this, remember war time. The link to article 123 is what I wrote above, when the opinion is brought up under the fact that repression is not for actions, but for ethnicity.
                        Link to article 127 is without wartime. In the USA in 1942 no one bothered with court decisions on the constitutionality of the relocation of citizens of a country of Japanese origin. Two years later, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of internment, arguing that restricting the civil rights of a racial group is permissible if it is “required by public necessity”.
                      7. ser56
                        ser56 26 March 2020 12: 24 New
                        -1
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Well. Residents of the village burned people.

                        residents don’t burn, certain citizens burn ...
                        and the thing
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Head of the Special Department of the district

                        find these people ... by the way - special units were in military units ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Yes.

                        what a humanist you are, God forbid you get ... request
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        it was necessary to send all to boarding schools, and adults to the highest measure or 10 years of ITL?

                        it was necessary for the perpetrators of the law - otherwise why are they at all?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        from the example to bring under 209 is easier than the lung.

                        Seriously?
                        “A gang should be understood as an organized, stable armed group of two or more persons who united in advance to carry out attacks on citizens or organizations. A gang can be created to carry out one, but it requires careful preparation of the attack. In particular, such gangs can testify signs, such as the stability of its composition, the close relationship between its members, the coordination of their actions, the constancy of the forms and methods of criminal activity, the duration of its existence and the number of crimes committed.
                        Source: http://stykrf.ru/209 "
                        try to prove these signs ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        yet one example of collective responsibility in

                        your legal illiteracy is limitless! bully Judged for participating in a gang, not living in a village or nationality ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        when opinion is imposed that repression is not for actions, but for ethnicity.
                        but did Krymchaks not exiled for nationality? There were no courts - re-read the GKO resolution request
                        "On January 29, 1944, the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR L.P. Beria approved the" Instruction on the procedure for the eviction of Chechens and Ingush"[23], and on January 31 a decree of the State Defense Committee on the deportation of Chechens and Ingush to the Kazakh and Kyrgyz SSR ["
                        We are looking for a crime in the title - there is nothing besides nationality ... request
                        “On February 24, 1944, Beria invited Stalin to evict the Balkars, and on February 26 he issued an order under the NKVD“ On measures to evict the Balkar population from the design bureau of the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic ””
                        same...

                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        are you "bloodthirsty" or so-so ..?

                        those. could not answer the difference? bully
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        In the USA at 19

                        1) why are you all of us palming us? they are purple to me ...
                        2) And what did the USSR Supreme Council decide? he rehabilitated the exiled, so all the organizers of the link are criminals ... request
                        "The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, in its Decree No. 493 of September 5, 1967," On Tatar Citizens Living in Crimea, "acknowledged that" after the liberation of Crimea from Nazi occupation in 1944, there were facts of active cooperation with the German invaders of a certain part of the Tatars living in Crimea were unreasonably assigned to the entire Tatar population Crimea ”[9]. "
                        and what happens? you defend the Stalinist criminals convicted of the USSR Armed Forces ... request
                      8. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 26 March 2020 16: 30 New
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                        By the way - special units were in military units ...

                        And?
                        Seriously?

                        Seriously. And then it will be clear why
                        try to prove these signs ...

                        Words like "can" and "in particular" tell you nothing in the explanation of "sustainability"? This is only a criterion that determines the level of threat to society from the gang, more or less dangerous, which is important when sentencing.
                        There is such a resolution of the Plenum of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation “On the Practice of the Application by the Courts of the Law on Responsibility for Banditry” (In connection with issues arising from the courts when applying the legislation providing for liability for banditry). And it has:
                        12. Article 209 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation does not provide, as an obligatory element in the composition of banditry, any specific goals of attacks carried out by an armed gang.
                        10. In accordance with Part 2 of Article 209 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, such persons who qualify as participating in the attack and who are not members of the gang recognize that they are participating in a crime committed by the gang should be qualified as banditry.
                        The actions of persons who were not members of the gang and did not participate in the attacks committed by it, but who assisted the gang in its criminal activities, should be qualified according to Article 33 and the corresponding part of Article 209 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
                        9. Participation in a gang is not only a direct participation in the attacks it carries out, but also the gang members take other active actions aimed at financing it, providing weapons, vehicles, finding objects for attack, etc.
                        These three points are enough to bring all the villagers to an article on banditry, where the "self-defense detachment" of the village falls under the "organized stable armed group of two or more people", and all remaining residents are aware of "people who are not members of the gang that take part in a crime committed by a gang. " (you can start telling that by setting up round-the-clock duty around the house, giving consent to pay for a new house, and then collecting combustible materials in the yards that they overlaid and set on fire, three hundred people did not realize what they were participating in).
                        Judged for participating in a gang, not living in a village or nationality ...

                        Read above. In order to sit down for banditry, it is not necessary to participate, it is enough indirect intent (the person was aware of the social danger of actions (inaction), foresaw the possibility of socially dangerous consequences, did not want to, but consciously allowed these consequences or was indifferent to them).
                        Did Krymchaks not exiled for nationality?

                        no. And this can be understood if only by the fact that not only were they deported from Crimea. If different GKO decrees refer to different nationalities or citizenship, but at the same time the reason is the same for all nationalities, then it is obvious that the reason is not the nationalities.
                        We are looking for a crime in the name - there is nothing besides nationality

                        And the crime should be in the name of the instructions?!?!
                        those. could not answer the difference?

                        didn't see the point
                        why are you all of us palming us? they are purple to me ...

                        Because you consider what happened in 1944 to be something "unparalleled in the world" or unexplainable, other than "tyranny of ghouls in power"
                        "The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR ... 1967 .... recognized

                        After 20 years, it is very easy to recognize something.
                        you defend the Stalinist criminals convicted of the USSR Armed Forces.

                        What kind of kindergarten level manipulation? For others, save them.
                      9. ser56
                        ser56 26 March 2020 18: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And?

                        corny - your source is in doubt ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        These three points are enough to bring all the villagers to an article on banditry,

                        Hmm ... you have self-prophecy ... well, this special agent did not disappoint? Is laziness interfering? vodka, women?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Read above.

                        your self-prop? bully
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        but consciously allowed these consequences or did not care about them)

                        it needs to be proved ... children too?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And the crime should be in the name of the instructions?!?!

                        want to dope - your right ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        didn't see the point

                        were not able to ...
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Because you consider what happened in 1944 to be something "unparalleled in the world"

                        in the world there was an internment of people by nationality of the enemy (Germans, Japanese), but children were not exiled - this is a USSR chip ....
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        After 20 years, it is very easy to recognize something.

                        Think it's easy to take on?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        What kind of kindergarten level manipulation?

                        it is your level ...
  • ser56
    ser56 24 March 2020 11: 48 New
    -5
    Quote: Alf
    The unfortunate Chechens and Ingush were exiled at all ...

    as I understand it - women and children are the main enemies ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 15: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: Arlen
    The purpose of life and the meaning of Stalin's activity is the struggle for communism.

    Rather, the goal of Stalin's life is the creation of a socialist workers and peasants state with highly developed industry and agriculture. It was when fulfilling these goals that it was revealed that even the close circle nurtured some other plans and images of statehood. Have we not been convinced of this after the death of the IVS? Is it not after him that the dollar began to be introduced into the economy of the USSR and somehow looked differently at the Bretton Woods agreement?
    I was struck by today's news about the spread of coronavirus. The main distribution priorities: USA, GB, Italy, China, Israel ... Not a word about the state of affairs in the CIS countries, or the union state. This is all rot, all hypocrisy, all true concern ...
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 23 March 2020 15: 30 New
      +11
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Not a word about the state of affairs in the CIS countries, or the union state. This is all rot, all hypocrisy, all true concern ...

      Licimer ... Licimer extends everywhere. political farce everywhere and in everything. alas, it cannot be otherwise in an oligarchic-clan-capitalist state.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 March 2020 15: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Rather, the goal of Stalin's life is the creation of a socialist workers and peasants state with highly developed industry and agriculture.

      He was a realist. And he perfectly understood that triune tasks are not empty words.
    3. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 20: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Not a word about the state of affairs in the CIS countries, or the union state.

      The main thing is to send doctors to Italy, this is more important.
  • 1970mk
    1970mk 23 March 2020 18: 41 New
    -7
    Communism is Stalin's work for free?
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
    +4
    Often had to read the Soviet periodicals of the Stalin era. Hand on heart, it should be recognized that with the praise of the leader was still too much.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 17: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Hand on heart, it should be recognized that with the praise of the leader was still too much.

      You know, perhaps with the praise of the leader there was a bust, but his merits were great. The praise of the leader who has appointed himself for life is ridiculous, whose merits against the background of years of being in power are simply miserable. After the WWII, after the intervention and the civil war with a ruined economy, Russia was able to, achieve, defeat, rebuild and build without electricity, while another country, after so many years of creation, was barbarously destroyed in the political system and in terms of economic ties, demoralized by hyperinflation and the impoverishment of the population, and at the same time did not even achieve the fact that the people working in it were spared from poverty. In addition to the shame of sovereignty, she added the shame of rewarding the nouveau riche with the titles of heroes of labor ...
      That, really, is a bust.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 23 March 2020 11: 28 New
    +3
    under Stalin, there were few stores, now there are many. Under Stalin, the word consumer would mean a person who is useless for society; now it normally refers to Patriotism from the “consumer point of view” wassat
    1. ser56
      ser56 23 March 2020 14: 28 New
      -6
      Quote: aybolyt678
      in Stalin there were few stores, now there are many

      and there were always a lot of fools in Russia ... request
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 March 2020 14: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: ser56
        there have always been many fools in Russia

        In Russia, there was always enough work, there were always not enough hands, and now ???
        1. ser56
          ser56 23 March 2020 14: 33 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          In Russia, there was always enough work, there were always not enough hands, and now ???

          there has always been unemployment in Russia ... request If you are talking about the RSFSR, then there people didn’t want to work from under a stick or for a pittance, hence it wasn’t enough ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 March 2020 14: 39 New
            +9
            Quote: ser56
            If you are talking about the RSFSR, then there people didn’t want to work from under a stick or for a pittance, hence it wasn’t enough ...

            in 1982, he got a job as a handyman with the lowest salary of 3p 15 kopecks a day, they allocated me a room in a dormitory and told me to get married in order to queue for housing after 7 years. A month later, they transferred to piecework, it turned out almost 280 a month. At the cost of lunch with a glass of sour cream at 82 kopecks, it was very good, I entered the university a year later and didn’t refuse anything to myself ... So you don’t sing about pennies, everything was fine
            1. ser56
              ser56 23 March 2020 14: 44 New
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              in 1982, got a job as a handyman

              had internship at Novovoronezh NPP, unit 5 ... request
              Quote: aybolyt678
              and said marry h

              and I got married when I met my beloved ... repeat
              Quote: aybolyt678
              the cost of lunch with a glass of sour cream at 82 kopecks

              and I drank sour cream in those days, now I eat with a spoon ... repeat
              Quote: aybolyt678
              So don’t sing about pennies, everything was fine

              we have different needs ... request
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 23 March 2020 14: 48 New
                +3
                Quote: ser56
                we have different needs ...

                I have met my beloved 4 times in my life, the last time in 40 years, two children. smile but this does not apply to the topic.
                are you a consumer what is surprising, because the needs are endless (L.I. Brezhnev) smile hi
                1. ser56
                  ser56 24 March 2020 11: 55 New
                  -1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  two children

                  I have four ... wink
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  are you a consumer

                  Naturally - I do not live in holy air ... request
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  what is surprising, because the needs are endless (

                  there are quite working mechanisms from limitations - people are both rational and mortal ... request
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  L.I. Brezhnev

                  I still relate to him well - a rare case in the history of the country - he himself lived and did not interfere with the people ... drinks
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 24 March 2020 17: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: ser56
                    still treat him well

                    plus to you! ++
                    1. ser56
                      ser56 24 March 2020 18: 24 New
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                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      plus to you! ++

                      you're funny, seriously believe. What are your + or - I'm curious? bully
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                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 25 March 2020 09: 51 New
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                        Quote: ser56
                        you're funny, seriously believe. What are your + or - I'm curious?

                        people often communicate in order to check their own opinions about themselves ... therefore, plus sign + one more smile
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 20: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: ser56
        Quote: aybolyt678
        in Stalin there were few stores, now there are many

        and there were always a lot of fools in Russia ... request

        You know better...
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 11: 56 New
          -5
          Quote: Alf
          You know better...

          aha, look at your writings and similar ones to you - become sad ... nothing fools life teaches ... request
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 15: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Under Stalin, the word consumer

      Under Stalin, there was a word: "layman", which denoted people with a passive lifestyle and philistine (consumer-household) views.
      1. ser56
        ser56 24 March 2020 11: 57 New
        -5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        and philistine (consumer) views.

        That is why with the IVS, dispensers were created for the nomenclature, special houses, cottages and rest houses ...
        Salary was given in packages ... bully
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 24 March 2020 12: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: ser56
          That is why with the IVS, dispensers were created for the nomenclature, special houses, cottages and rest houses ...

          However, Soviet goods fade against the backdrop of today's privileges. State deliveries of members of the Politburo are modest huts against the palaces of the current power and business elite. The previous owners of life went to the Volga, Seagulls and ZIL, the current ones order the best foreign limousines (up to the Bentley and Maybach). The elite air fleet is not only the native Tu and Il, but also fashionable Falcons and the Gulf Stream. Further down the list are the same special clinics (which does not exclude the possibility of treating sores in the best Western medical centers), special sanatoriums, special services at airports, special escort on the roads (option - a flasher on the roof) ...

          According to experts of AiF, only federal officials have privileges of 1 million rubles. in year! They try to keep up with them in the regions: almost each has its own Rublevka, its suburban residences, its privileges on the roads and in its “social services”. And what luxurious mansions do other republics and territories contain in Moscow for the work and leisure of business travelers! Some Varangians "planted in the region" preferred to appear less often in the entrusted area, managing it from Moscow, and even from London. One of the Ural governors, let’s say, was more often seen in the United Arab Emirates ... But perhaps the main privilege of today's VIPs is that they almost openly engage in business “without interruption from production”. What’s certain about millionaires and billionaires among ministers and deputies in Soviet times did not have.
          1. ser56
            ser56 24 March 2020 12: 36 New
            -3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            However, Soviet goods fade against the backdrop of today's privileges.

            however, now no one is lying about equality, and then he and the party card built the bright tomorrow like that ... request
            Quote: ROSS 42
            The former owners of life went to the Volga, Seagulls and ZIL, the current ones order the best foreign limousines (up to the Bentley and Maybach)

            in Soviet times, traveled at best in Lada, comparable to modern cars with the people? as the number of cars ...
            Quote: ROSS 42
            There wasn’t exactly anything among the ministers and deputies among the ministers and deputies in Soviet times.

            and what good is it? A person who is not able to earn money himself and will not help others ... request
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 23 March 2020 11: 37 New
    +2
    [quote = AS Ivanov.] However, Stalin was thrown out of the mausoleum, left burry. Can you tell me who did this? It seems they say that the Communists.

    No. The opportunists.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 March 2020 13: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Marine engineer
      However, Stalin was thrown out of the mausoleum, It seems they say that the Communists.

      no! Radishes .. Outside red inside white laughing
  • seacap
    seacap 23 March 2020 11: 43 New
    +7
    Khrushchev and his accomplices started all this because they were mortally afraid of him even dead, their hands were bloodied to the elbow, despite the fact that Stalin began to possess all power only from the end of the 38th, and all this from the "filing" "our" partners ". In their so-called. centers funded by various special services and the minds of "analysts" gave birth to "legends" and mln innocent victims of the GULAG, with the help of "fighters against the regime and conscience of the nation" of all kinds of Solzhenitsyn and Suvorov, seized by our miserable liberals. It is unclear why, even out of a sense of self-preservation, our leading boyar class allows on the central TV channels and in their statements the first persons of the state, frantic anti-Soviet and Russophobic propaganda, distortion of facts and rewriting of history, in words advocating for something else that only opposes the people. Actually representing the same so-called the leadership, which has already happened in our history more than once, in times of turmoil and in the Provisional Government, realizing this wretched insignificance and temporality of theirs, they try, as in Khrushchev’s times, to “hide behind” the great names and deeds of their ancestors. our grandfathers and fathers, like the guarantor's father, by the way, were dying in the snow and ice for Stalin, for their homeland.
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 20: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: seacap
      Khrushchev and his accomplices started all this because they were mortally afraid of him even dead,

  • Avior
    Avior 23 March 2020 11: 44 New
    +6
    I recently accidentally saw a new feature film called "Corporal". Our Mosfilm film about the smallest soldier of the Great Patriotic War.

    For me it was a revelation. The smallest soldier, or rather, a corporal, by the end of the war, awarded in 1943 the medal "For Military Merit" was ... born in 1936. And he fought from the very beginning of the war!

    The youngest son of the regiment, awarded a military award, was probably the six-year-old Sergey Aleshkov, a pupil of the 142nd Guards Rifle Regiment of the 47th Guards Rifle Division. September 8, 1942 he was picked up by a regiment in the Ulyanovsk region then Oryol region. According to some reports, he saved a commander near Stalingrad, calling for help under fire and taking part in digging up a covered dugout with a regiment commander and several officers. November 18, 1942 was wounded. By Order No. 013 of April 26, 1943 he was awarded the medal "For Military Merit." In accordance with this order he was awarded for the fact that "his cheerfulness ... instilled vigor and confidence in victory"


    Parents were executed for contact with the partisans, the scouts of the 142nd Guards Rifle Regiment saw the child wandering through the forest, the child remained in the regiment, and later the commander of the regiment, Major Vorobyov, adopted him.
    When the bomb fell into the dugout in which Voroyev was and heaped him up, the boy ran for help, the major was dug up.
    Near Stalingrad, the child was injured, and after treatment, in 1943, his adoptive father sent him to the Suvorov School, later he graduated from the Kharkov Law Institute.
    After the war, Sergei Aleshkov worked for many years as a prosecutor in Chelyabinsk; a veteran died in 1990.
    And yet, in my opinion, children have no place in the war.
    hi
    1. domokl
      23 March 2020 14: 00 New
      +3
      The film was made about this boy. Even a photo is exactly what the film faces. True, the names of the regiment com were changed to Kuznetsov, and Sergei to Shishkin. But in the end they added a little bit about their future life. He graduated from the Suvorov School and worked in the criminal investigation department
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 23 March 2020 11: 56 New
    +11
    A special indicator is the attitude of ordinary people to the deceased ruler. The death of Lenin and Stalin - Woe to the people. And this is not ostentatious whoop. It was. And the death of subsequent ???
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 March 2020 13: 25 New
      +3
      In fairness, I saw a lot of people saddened by the death of Brezhnev.
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 23 March 2020 18: 44 New
        0
        I remember how now .... I was 11 years old .... running around the street suddenly a neighbor from the entrance runs out in tears and yells "what will happen to us now")))))
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 March 2020 13: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Michael55
      It was. And the death of subsequent ???

      the long-awaited ... especially Mr. Gorbi
  • seacap
    seacap 23 March 2020 11: 57 New
    +7
    Khrushchev and his accomplices started all this because they were mortally afraid of him even dead, their hands were bloodied to the elbow, despite the fact that Stalin began to possess all power only from the end of the 38th, and all this from the "filing" "our" partners ". In their so-called. centers funded by various special services and the minds of "analysts" gave birth to "legends" and mln innocent victims of the GULAG, with the help of "fighters against the regime and conscience of the nation" of all kinds of Solzhenitsyn and Suvorov, seized by our miserable liberals. It is unclear why, even out of a sense of self-preservation, our leading boyar class allows on the central TV channels and in their statements the first persons of the state, frantic anti-Soviet and Russophobic propaganda, distortion of facts and rewriting of history, in words advocating for something else that only opposes the people. Actually representing the same so-called the leadership, which has already happened in our history more than once, in times of turmoil and in the Provisional Government, realizing this wretched insignificance and temporality of theirs, they try, as in Khrushchev’s times, to “hide behind” the great names and deeds of their ancestors. our grandfathers and fathers, by the way, the guarantor’s father, by the way, were dying in the snow and ice for Stalin, for their homeland. Moreover, surrounded by the “tyrant” any surname is a cult person, you can write a book about everyone, so what kind of personality was the cult? They are all remembered, all their great deeds are known to this day, and many are not only in our country, and who even now remembers the thaw, Gorbi and even Yeltsin ministers, with the exception of a few odious personalities, in an extremely negative way, as they know and remember for thousands of years Judah.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 23 March 2020 11: 58 New
    +11
    All sane people have long understood why this historical hysteria is needed. People should be optimistic about the current lawlessness of the authorities, and that's all. If you remove your glasses and stop and look around it turns out that the king is naked!
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 23 March 2020 12: 39 New
    +8
    To the builders of Komsomolsk-on-Amur?
    My mother-in-law's father was the first builder of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. And in our city they did not hesitate to open the Marshalov Alley which was headed by the bust of I.V. Stalin.
  • slasha
    slasha 23 March 2020 12: 40 New
    0
    Thank. Good article. Right!
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 23 March 2020 12: 45 New
    +7
    If they say about I. Stalin and his rule the Cult of Personality, then what about Putin’s rule is a stump of personality?
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 March 2020 14: 25 New
      +8
      Stalin's Cult of Personality
      Putin's - Hypocrisy of the Person
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  • Amateur
    Amateur 23 March 2020 12: 59 New
    +13
    There was a cult of personality, but there was a personality!
    (M.A.Sholokhov)

    Stalin took Lenin from a country destroyed by civil war, and surrendered it to his descendants, despite the total destruction from the war and German occupation, a world power with an atomic bomb. A power that half of the world admired, and the other half was afraid of. But everyone respected. Even the pathological anti-communist and clinical Russophobe G. Truman would never have thought of taking away Soviet diplomatic property. Because "the answer would fly." And now they’ve taken away what? Both the Foreign Ministry and the Kremlin have wiped themselves out. Like in a joke: "Come on in Washington - no, there are ... children. And in New York - no, there is ... a villa. Well then, come on in Voronezh. Our people are definitely not there." Because of this, few are afraid of present-day Russia and are even less respected. It's a shame.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 23 March 2020 13: 08 New
    -2
    Renaming is rather a tradition of those times. cities were named after people always and everywhere. Washington, Constanta, Hamilton, Friedrichsaw, Sherbrooke ...

    It is necessary to understand, but it seems to me that these cities were laid down under these names, although it may not be so.
    Personally, I am not a supporter of renaming cities and I see at least two reasons for this:
    1. Gap template. Where was born V.I. Lenin? In Simbirsk. And show me Simbirsk on the map of the Russian Federation, please. Uh, it's Ulyanovsk now. That is, the city of Simbirsk is not at all. Bredyatina.
    2. The direct consequence of paragraph 1 is a violation of the integrity of the historical canvas, which is bad “like”, because history cannot be good or bad, it is what it is and there is no need to comb it in the current political situation - nothing good this will not work. That is why I am against the renaming of Metro stations, massively carried out in the 90s - it is impossible to bury the Soviet past, no matter how hard you try.
    And yet - there is something servile in the renaming of cities by the names of political figures. It seems to have been "decided by the whole world", but the situation has changed a bit - "put everything in the ass." Not good.
    Sometimes, however, it is possible and necessary to rename a city, especially if significant historical events critical to the country have happened in its vicinity - this is me at the expense of renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad, if that.
    But there was a cult. Such a good one, terry, and I think that for the country he was more likely in the “minus” rather than the “plus”.
    I think so.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 23 March 2020 13: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: DMB 75
    There was a great country, I know that for sure. And now? Is there a personality cult (who is the season), only the country is completely different in terms of economic and social development from the USSR.

    Only who will attack with the cry "for Putin"?
  • ser56
    ser56 23 March 2020 14: 19 New
    -12
    "To the thousands of our very grandfathers and grandmothers who threw well-fed lives in cities and rushed off somewhere to Siberia, the Far East, the Arctic Circle to build, mine, pull oil and gas pipelines? .."
    alas, but most did not go of their own accord, but under guard, especially with an IVS ... request
    as for me, both grandfathers traveled like that ... repeat
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 20: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: ser56
      as for me, both grandfathers traveled like that ...

      Request a case, now it is possible, and show a photo with a sentence for what. By the way, were they rehabilitated?
      At the Kuznetsov factory, where I work, six months ago there was an article in the factory newspaper about working NN with excerpts from his diary. So, in the 46th year of this comrade was arrested and sentenced to fake food cards (recall, the 46th year was not the most well-fed). A couple of weeks ago in the newspaper there was again an article about this worker, and his arrest was again mentioned there. But! From the article the reference to the reason for the arrest magically disappeared. He’ll read now such a denouncer, and especially a representative of the Next Generation, and say, Here, in the days of a bloody tyrant, they put him for nothing.
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 23 March 2020 21: 59 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        “As for me, both grandfathers traveled like that ...”

        It is a pity that we do not have a law under which, if the descendants officially declare that their relatives were illegally repressed, then anyone could request these files in the archive and see if this statement is true. It was then that it became clear who and for what went under escort.
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 March 2020 22: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Marine engineer
          It is a pity that we do not have a law under which, if the descendants officially declare that their relatives were illegally repressed, then anyone could request these files in the archive and see if this statement is true.

          I don’t know about the law, but already how many times relatives of the repressed sent requests and were given information on the case.
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 23 March 2020 23: 00 New
            0
            I'm talking about something else. If a relative illegally (as he thinks) of the repressed officially (publicly) stated this (video, print media, electronic recording), then ANY interested person could get acquainted with the case of the “illegally” repressed. I suppose in this case the stories about grandparents who had "illegally" served in the camps under temporary detention facilities would have decreased by an order of magnitude.
      2. ser56
        ser56 24 March 2020 12: 04 New
        -2
        Quote: Alf
        By the way, were they rehabilitated?

        they didn’t live, they died during the Soviet Union .... mother was rehabilitated - she was a terrible enemy of the Soviet regime - from birth to 12 years she was under commandant's office .... think about it if you can .. request
        Quote: Alf
        At the Kuznetsov factory, where I work

        Been to work .... repeat
        Quote: Alf
        and wrote out a term for fake grocery cards

        and here they published a note by the prosecutor about how Zaltsman in Chelyabinsk stole tons of food from workers and didn’t suffer for it ... request
        Quote: Alf
        in the days of the bloody tyrant they planted him for no reason.

        and not all were imprisoned - the election was "justice" request But the problem is that now you can appeal by law, and then only ask famous people to intercede ... do you catch the difference?
        Quote: Alf
        and show a photo with a sentence for what.
        and you don’t take much on yourself, a cat lover? laughing
        1. Alf
          Alf 24 March 2020 20: 44 New
          0
          Quote: ser56
          Now you can appeal by law,

          It is possible if the lawyer Kucherena or Resnick.
          Quote: ser56
          Quote: Alf
          and show a photo with a sentence for what.
          and you don’t take much on yourself, a cat lover?

          Apparently, there is something to hide ..
          1. ser56
            ser56 25 March 2020 12: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Alf
            It is possible if the lawyer Kucherena or Resnick.

            you are mistaken ... an ordinary qualified lawyer costs from 5000 per day ...
            Quote: Alf
            Apparently, there is something to hide ..

            usually people judge by themselves - you are probably latent ... request Help do not lay out? repeat
          2. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 25 March 2020 17: 02 New
            +1
            "Apparently, there is something to hide ..."

            I believe colleague Alf, you're right.
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge 23 March 2020 14: 42 New
    +3
    In general, the concept of a personality cult was introduced by political pygmy, mediocrity, and generally a scoundrel in his human qualities N.S. Khrushchev. The political platform of the Trotskyist, everything else is a thirst for power .... education and mind is not burdened
    1. ser56
      ser56 24 March 2020 12: 05 New
      -4
      Quote: Jarserge
      introduced political pygmy, mediocrity and generally a scoundrel in his human qualities N.S. Khrushchev.

      you forgot to note - which the IVS itself raised to the heights of power ... request
      1. Jarserge
        Jarserge 24 March 2020 13: 06 New
        +1
        Yes, and "he also destroyed the bell tower" personally!
        1. ser56
          ser56 24 March 2020 13: 47 New
          -2
          Quote: Jarserge
          Yes, and "he also destroyed the bell tower" personally!

          I understand that in fact you have nothing to answer? bully It is understandable - it is difficult to deny that the “ingenious” Stalin could not figure out Khrushchev request Then the conclusion follows - maybe the IVS is not so brilliant? bully
          1. Jarserge
            Jarserge 24 March 2020 16: 01 New
            +2
            Well, finally, you asked a question, otherwise I thought it a sinful thing for you to go out of idleness. Why did Stalin have to "deal" with Khrushchev? Were there any objective prerequisites? Or did you warn I.V. Stalin that Khrushchev "bad boy" and he did not "figure it out"?
            1. ser56
              ser56 24 March 2020 16: 04 New
              -3
              Quote: Jarserge
              Why did Stalin have to "deal" with Khrushchev?

              Quote: Jarserge
              In general, the concept of the cult of personality was introduced by political pygmy, mediocrity and generally a scoundrel in his human qualities N.S. Khrushchev

              you have a funny way of thinking ... bully
              Quote: Jarserge
              Or did you warn I.V. Stalin that Khrushchev "bad boy" and he did not "figure it out"?

              spring, you would beware .... hi
  • avia12005
    avia12005 23 March 2020 14: 54 New
    +10
    If Stalin could come to life, he would probably say this:
    "Like these pygmies, these insignificance and the products of disregard, betrayal and opportunism can judge us, the great Soviet people ..."
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 23 March 2020 14: 55 New
    -8
    Putin and Stalin are the greatest leaders in the history of not only Russia, but of all mankind