“Cannot be attributed to a new generation”: in Chinese Sohu, the Russian Su-57 was called the “flat Su-27”

The Chinese media published another material about the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-5. The author on the pages of the military section of the Sohu portal is trying to compare different ratings of this combat aircraft, which is being prepared for deployment to the Russian Armed Forces.

To begin with, the author cites the opinion of a certain part of Chinese users, including experts, that the Su-57 cannot be classified as a new generation of fighters.

From the article:

Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

Further, the author actually makes it clear that he adheres to the same opinion himself:

This characteristic is quite appropriate, because the Su-57 actually has nothing to do with the fifth generation stealth fighter (in the Chinese classification, the fourth, approx. “VO”) generation. If we consider the parameters of low visibility, they are the worst among all the new generation fighters that exist today. Even if you pay attention to the color of the Russian fighter, it is not the one that is able to “wash out” the plane in the sky. Yes, he certainly does not look like an invisible fighter.

After that, the author gives the opinions of those who are inclined to attribute the Su-57 to the 5th generation fighters. The article notes that Russian fighters receive second-stage engines that have high performance and are capable of providing the aircraft even greater maneuverability.

From the article:

After equipping the Su-57 with new versions of the AL-41F engines, the fighter will receive an undeniable advantage over other fifth-generation fighters in the air.

At the same time, the author notes that the advantage of the Su-57 can manifest itself only if it "literally collides head-on-head" with the F-22 or F-35. “In other cases, the Su-57 will be detected by American fighters.”

In user comments, it is noted that it is generally difficult to consider the parameters and performance characteristics of a fighter, which has not yet been adopted, since real data can simply be classified.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

[bessmertniy]

The Chinese need to expand their eyes so they can see better. Inexpensive plastic surgery, and they will overcome this disadvantage.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Yes, it’s just that the Chinese people really want to move Russia to the arms market, that’s where they write all the dregs. Either their air defense systems are better than the Russian ones (despite the fact that they continue to purchase our systems), then our aircraft are worse than the Chinese ones (despite the fact that they did not make their comparable engines). In general, everything is on the principle of a chicken coop, move your neighbor, put a damn on the bottom.

[NIKN]

Cool. As I understand it, the Chinese Sohu is trying to plug the National Interest with their Indian expert, perhaps? , I forgot how they call him. probably this expert was lured to him, he used to stir up water over our aviation there.

[EnGenius]

SOHU is an ordinary internet dump, which also feeds on American internet scum. There is not a single decent journalist, this is just a bunch of "authors" who write gag fueled by Western stuff and the opinion of the same "experts". For the same reason, many articles on VO are scribble from the evil one, often having nothing to do with reality.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Victor_B

That they perceive with their narrow eyes

Are their radars "flat" too? They do not perceive ours along ... only across. in short, there’s nothing even to discuss the opinion of Chinese experts ... It is incompetent ... But time will tell how good or bad our aircraft is. And combat work ... for example, on barmaley in Syria.

[bessmertniy]

What matters is not form, but content. If an aircraft is objectively better than others, it doesn’t matter how much flatter it is than others.

[DMB_95]

If we consider the parameters of low visibility, then they are the worst among all the new generation fighters that exist today

- said the Chinese "experts" as if they knew the real indicators of the SU-57 stealth, while the Russian side, in my opinion, never put stealth in the foreground. On the other hand, the Russian side has explained many times, almost on the fingers, that since Soviet times, our radars, which are installed on various ground-based air defense systems and on modern fighters, are quite good at "seeing invisible people." Therefore, the best type of "stealth" amers and Chinese do not give them special advantages in battle.

[neri73-r]

It’s bad when brains are flat!

[lucul]

That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

Yes, an ordinary sow, writes on the money Soros. I have grandmother, at the entrance, and even more reasonably explain)))

[NEXUS]

Quote: Victor_B

That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

While this perception is at the stage - "what will happen if ..."
SU-57 is not yet in the series and not in the army. Our 57th Raptor, or vice versa, idiocy in general, is to judge who will stick someone into the ground there. If these cars meet in real air combat (God forbid), then it will be possible to judge. And this is only if the use of these machines against each other will be quite long in a military conflict.
Everything else is winding the horse in a vacuum, which is what the Chinese are doing now.

[g1washntwn]

J-20 is a big kite.
1:1

[Pathos]

And cardboard

[EvilLion]

It seems that the Su-57 specifically set fire to Chinese asses, they are blazing, which is already visible from Saturn. I wonder why no one writes about the J-20. Probably because with him, even in appearance and engines imported from Russia, everything is clear.

[bessmertniy]

Something they care about our fighter. Otherwise they would be silent in a rag and would not pay attention.

[g1washntwn]

They have a matrix shift after news of the finished 2nd stage engine for the Su-57. Ours are still in search of another "lost".

[Karaul73]

Quote: Victor_B

Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

For them, the Chinese thing is the best thing. Everything else does not interest them. Advertising, what can you do.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Sentry73

For them, the Chinese thing is the best thing. Everything else does not interest them.

And in this they are patriots who do not obgazhdayut done for themselves, and for themselves.

[Chief Engineer]

The idea to publish the next ... news from under-experts from heaven is annoying, because what is not an article is an attempt, in modern terms, to raise hype.

[China]

First they make a Su-27, and then several times they drive the plane through the rollers, giving it the shape that the artists painted in the propaganda cartoon

[Spambox]

You also say "they are finishing with a file" after assembly)

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Spambox

You also say "they are finishing with a file" after assembly)

It’s impossible - the tank will succeed. And you need a fighter.

[Insurgent]

Quote: China

First they make a Su-27, and then several times they drive the plane through the rollers, giving it the shape that the artists painted in the propaganda cartoon

Surely with the pilot in the cockpit. Otherwise, after the "crimping", you won't put it there ...

[bar]

Chinese iksperdy not let up

[rocket757]

“Cannot be attributed to a new generation”: in Chinese Sohu, the Russian Su-57 was called the “flat Su-27”

HA, will hit the enemy in the right plane !!!

[tTshka]

Their pupils are "flat" ... the experts from "soho", everyone continues to drive

[Tuzik]

as in a joke, and now file

[Viktor Sergeev]

Nobody knows the parameters of any 5th generation aircraft, but all of them compare. Have the Chinese ever heard of electronic warfare, the ability to evade missiles, and tactics of use? Chinese experts are couch idiots.

[Azazelo]

What are you planning on buying such a backward plane?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Azazelo

What are you planning on buying such a backward plane?

To see how far behind they are from him.

[K-50]

Still, the opinion of the Chinese Sohu meant something!
The Su-57 can be called whatever you like, it will not come and will not give a face in the face, but it will not get worse from your "names".

[rotkiv04]

And why are they so worried about the Su-57, which means they suspect that it will be better than their "likeness" of the plane

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rotkiv04

And why are they so worried about the Su-57,

They say that steam locomotives must be crushed while they are still kettles. So they form the "necessary opinion" in advance ...

[Zhan]

Hello everyone. Here we are everywhere flat, and in most hostile publications ..
But how else, vodka, women, caviar, balalaika, matryoshka, hugs with a bear in a glass with vodka and a padded jacket with earflaps ... Traditions must be respected ... Let them mislead themselves and propaganda is not necessary, the sick brain itself will deceive itself ....

[uhu189]

How it is possible to judge the performance characteristics of a fighter from photographs, all the more based on the comments of network users, most of which are also not specialists and especially experts in fighter aviation - it is not clear. If this is an analysis of opinions and comments - so for God's sake, let them consider what they want.

[evgic]

The Sohu portal is a haven for Chinese chauvinists with little understanding of the subject. So voicing his opinion is not necessarily committed

[Barmaleyka]

To begin with, the author gives an opinion a certain part of Chinese usersincluding experts

no need to read further

[bars1]

Especially charming is the remark about the absence of "blurring" coloration!

[Mentat]

Even if you pay attention to the color of the Russian fighter, it is not the one that is able to “wash out” the plane in the sky. Yes, he certainly does not look like an invisible fighter.

Said the Chinese fox, sniffing at the grapes on a branch too high for her.

[Aleks2048]

I read the article ... Comments ... Sadness ... The dispute instead of the technical side and application features smoothly moved to the section whose wife is more beautiful? Conversations about the importance of stealth or maneuverability at speed are replaced by talk about beauty ... Of course, there are things in the armed forces that, in addition to functionality, should be beautiful (so that they look "cool"), but there are very few of them. Basically, the weapon should be functional, ergonomic and ... as if nothing else. Whether Su57 belongs to the fifth generation or not, everyone can decide for himself. It is more important here not to what generation it belongs. More important
1) the cost of production.
2) the prospect of further service.
3) whether the aircraft satisfies the customer, namely the Ministry of Defense of a particular country in terms of ensuring state security, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
4) whether the product has stock on modernization.
5) and the mass of other items completely unrelated to beauty.
In general, if I were a pilot in a real conflict, I would still not care about the flat-round-or square-triangular pepelats on which I fly, so long as the result is unchanged - I am alive and healthy at home with my family, and all my enemies are dead.

[muham]

Quote: Alex2048

In general, if I were a pilot in a real conflict, I would still not care about the flat-round-or square-triangular pepelats on which I fly, so long as the result is unchanged - I am alive and healthy at home with my family, and all my enemies are dead.

Well, with such thoughts, the F-35 is a handsome man, a Komsomolets and finally an outstanding aircraft.

[Aleks2048]

Well, after all, we quite deservedly and fairly consider the T34 the best tank of the Second World War, and not a tiger ... Although the tiger clearly wins in a duel battle ...
So the Su57 may also win the duel battle with F35, although it looks extremely pale against the background of the latter. Sorry, but quantitatively F35 already just throw their hats today that we don’t even have.

[Stalnov I.P.]

Let them look at their 5th generation, with engines from the 60-70s. Dumb talkers.

[cloud catcher]

The weak point of the 31th generation Chinese aircraft is the engine: "now it uses a variant of the Russian AL-31. China is building another fifth generation fighter - the light J-93, equipped with two Russian RD-XNUMX engines." V aircraft - the Chinese pay great attention to super-maneuverability - this is a component that limits the physical capabilities of the pilot.
They need our engines, which is why they are joking.

[antique]

Yes, they made their own good engine. Calm down. And they will create their own engine for the 5th generation. Everything will be fine with them. We’ll also be envious. This is Russia turned into a technological desert. They torment their plane for almost 10 years. The end and edge are not visible. Yes, and the engine of the second stage, it is unknown whether or how. The Supreme Commander regularly reports on successes to us. Only these successes, practically from the category of fake news. For him excusable. Age.

[Andrey.AN]

To begin with, about the parameters of low visibility, you need to have an idea, test the reflective surface, the autonomous capabilities of passive control of the situation, communications and modes of enveloping the terrain (so as not to catch the eye), the hidden placement of weapons. How it is painted by the military is generally not known, anything can be portrayed for satellites, even a Chinese one.

[bobba94]

Over the past 3 years, I read a lot at VO about Chinese weapons, about its wretchedness, about Russian air defense and missile defense systems copied to a nut, about installing Russian aircraft engines on Chinese stealth, about Chinese destroyers, manufactured as tin cans at a fruit and vegetable plant and the same primitive like these banks. There was an answer, and now I will read on Sohu (Chinese VO) about Russian weapons.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

When they can’t do anything like that, they’ll scum. The Americans generally made it easier, trying to ban this technique, or see, see. START subcontracts.

[AlexSam]

and what was the article about?

[pafegosoff]

Sohu is the Hong Kong-Taiwanese version of "NI" or our "BO".
Even, rather, "Popular Mechanics" from Hong Kong, Shanghai and Taiwan ...
In general - ekperdy!

[Yaro Polk]

In the last paragraph everything is eloquently said

* In user comments, it is noted that it is generally difficult to consider the parameters and performance characteristics of a fighter, which has not yet been adopted, since real data can simply be classified.

[Barmal]

Yes, this is not a 4th / 5th generation aircraft, it’s just not your business, dear Chinese experts. The chickens were counted in the fall. I believe that if a Chinese 4th generation plane crashes, we most likely will not know about it.

[Ax Matt]

Evil takes - guts fights ... Chinese comrades.

[thinker]

Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 "flat Su-27."

Interestingly, but I have a different translation from the original -

Some network users called the Su57 "flat Su-27".

[Reserve buildbat]

Chinese "iksperdy" and other "experts" are exorcised in their delusional fabrications. They judge the plane from the pictures, trying in every possible way to belittle its characteristics.
They can be understood. Current Chinese aircraft do not fly without Russian engines, they sometimes cost more than their Russian counterparts, but you need to sell them. So they climb out of the skin.

[kventinasd]

Chinese "experts" are better off eating bats and spreading such nonsense among their fans.

[Alexey from Perm]

This is an open secret, everyone knows about it. ))) except urapatriotikov.

[Yury Siritsky]

Then there is nothing to hang noodles on the ears. That's when it will be fully equipped then we will draw conclusions.