“Cannot be attributed to a new generation”: in Chinese Sohu, the Russian Su-57 was called the “flat Su-27”


The Chinese media published another material about the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-5. The author on the pages of the military section of the Sohu portal is trying to compare different ratings of this combat aircraft, which is being prepared for deployment to the Russian Armed Forces.


To begin with, the author cites the opinion of a certain part of Chinese users, including experts, that the Su-57 cannot be classified as a new generation of fighters.

From the article:

Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

Further, the author actually makes it clear that he adheres to the same opinion himself:

This characteristic is quite appropriate, because the Su-57 actually has nothing to do with the fifth generation stealth fighter (in the Chinese classification, the fourth, approx. “VO”) generation. If we consider the parameters of low visibility, they are the worst among all the new generation fighters that exist today. Even if you pay attention to the color of the Russian fighter, it is not the one that is able to “wash out” the plane in the sky. Yes, he certainly does not look like an invisible fighter.

After that, the author gives the opinions of those who are inclined to attribute the Su-57 to the 5th generation fighters. The article notes that Russian fighters receive second-stage engines that have high performance and are capable of providing the aircraft even greater maneuverability.

From the article:

After equipping the Su-57 with new versions of the AL-41F engines, the fighter will receive an undeniable advantage over other fifth-generation fighters in the air.

At the same time, the author notes that the advantage of the Su-57 can manifest itself only if it "literally collides head-on-head" with the F-22 or F-35. “In other cases, the Su-57 will be detected by American fighters.”

In user comments, it is noted that it is generally difficult to consider the parameters and performance characteristics of a fighter, which has not yet been adopted, since real data can simply be classified.
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  1. Victor_B 20 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

    That they perceive with their narrow eyes!
    1. bessmertniy 20 March 2020 08: 31 New
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      The Chinese need to expand their eyes so they can see better. what Inexpensive plastic surgery, and they will overcome this disadvantage. wink
      1. Alexander Suvorov 20 March 2020 08: 39 New
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        Yes, it’s just that the Chinese people really want to move Russia to the arms market, that’s where they write all the dregs. Either their air defense systems are better than the Russian ones (despite the fact that they continue to purchase our systems), then our aircraft are worse than the Chinese ones (despite the fact that they did not make their comparable engines). In general, everything is on the principle of a chicken coop, move your neighbor, put a damn on the bottom.
        1. NIKN 20 March 2020 09: 53 New
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          Cool. As I understand it, the Chinese Sohu is trying to plug the National Interest with their Indian expert, perhaps? , I forgot how they call him. probably this expert was lured to him, he used to stir up water over our aviation there. smile
        2. EnGenius 20 March 2020 10: 29 New
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          SOHU is an ordinary Internet garbage dump, which also feeds on American Internet waste. There is not a single decent journalist, it's just a bunch of "authors" who write a gag fueled by Western stuffing and the opinion of the same "experts". For the same reason, many articles on VO are scribble from the evil one, often having nothing to do with reality.
    2. Mountain shooter 20 March 2020 08: 37 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      That they perceive with their narrow eyes

      Are their radars also “flat”? They do not perceive ours along ... only across. laughing in short, there’s nothing even to discuss the opinion of Chinese experts ... It is incompetent ... But time will tell how good or bad our aircraft is. And combat work ... for example, on barmaley in Syria.
      1. bessmertniy 20 March 2020 08: 46 New
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        What matters is not form, but content. If an aircraft is objectively better than others, it doesn’t matter how much flatter it is than others. lol
        1. DMB_95 20 March 2020 11: 27 New
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          If we consider the parameters of low visibility, then they are the worst among all the new generation fighters that exist today
          - said the Chinese "experts" as if they know the real indicators of stealth SU-57, while the Russian side, in my opinion, has never put stealth in the foreground. But the Russian side many times explained almost on the fingers that since the Soviet times, our radars, which have been located both on various ground-based air defense systems and on modern fighters, are pretty good at "seeing invisibility". Therefore, the best type of "invisibility" of Amers and Chinese do not give them special advantages in battle.
      2. neri73-r 20 March 2020 09: 14 New
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        It’s bad when brains are flat!
    3. lucul 20 March 2020 09: 48 New
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      That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

      Yes, an ordinary sow, writes on the money Soros. I have grandmother, at the entrance, and even more reasonably explain)))
    4. NEXUS 20 March 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

      While this perception is at the stage - "what will happen if ..."
      SU-57 is not yet in the series and not in the army. Our 57th Raptor, or vice versa, idiocy in general, is to judge who will stick someone into the ground there. If these cars meet in real air combat (God forbid), then it will be possible to judge. And this is only if the use of these machines against each other will be quite long in a military conflict.
      Everything else is winding the horse in a vacuum, which is what the Chinese are doing now.
  2. g1washntwn 20 March 2020 08: 08 New
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    J-20 is a big kite.
    1:1
    1. Pathos 20 March 2020 08: 23 New
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      And cardboard laughing
  3. EvilLion 20 March 2020 08: 08 New
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    It seems that the Su-57 specifically set fire to Chinese asses, they are blazing, which is already visible from Saturn. I wonder why no one writes about the J-20. Probably because with him, even in appearance and engines imported from Russia, everything is clear.
    1. bessmertniy 20 March 2020 08: 28 New
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      Something they care about our fighter. Otherwise they would be silent in a rag and would not pay attention.
    2. g1washntwn 20 March 2020 08: 31 New
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      They have a matrix shift after the news about the finished engine of the 2nd stage for the Su-57. Ours is still in search of the next "all gone."
  4. Karaul73 20 March 2020 08: 09 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 “flat Su-27.”

    That they perceive with their narrow eyes!

    For them, the Chinese thing is the best thing. Everything else does not interest them. Advertising, what can you do.
    1. Insurgent 20 March 2020 08: 13 New
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      Quote: Sentry73
      For them, the Chinese thing is the best thing. Everything else does not interest them.

      And in this they are patriots who do not obgazhdayut done for themselves, and for themselves.
  5. Chief Engineer 20 March 2020 08: 10 New
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    The idea to publish the next ... news from under-experts from heaven is annoying, because what is not an article is an attempt, in modern terms, to raise hype.
  6. China 20 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    First they make a Su-27, and then several times they drive the plane through the rollers, giving it the shape that the artists painted in the propaganda cartoon
    1. Spambox 20 March 2020 08: 20 New
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      You still say "dorobatyvat file" after assembly)
      1. Vasyan1971 20 March 2020 09: 06 New
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        Quote: Spambox
        You still say "dorobatyvat file" after assembly)

        It’s impossible - the tank will succeed. And you need a fighter.
    2. Insurgent 20 March 2020 08: 31 New
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      Quote: China
      First they make a Su-27, and then several times they drive the plane through the rollers, giving it the shape that the artists painted in the propaganda cartoon

      Surely with the pilot in the cockpit. yes Otherwise, after the “crimping”, you won’t put it there ...
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    Chinese iksperdy not let up
  8. rocket757 20 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    “Cannot be attributed to a new generation”: in Chinese Sohu, the Russian Su-57 was called the “flat Su-27”

    HA, will hit the enemy in the right plane !!!
  9. tTshka 20 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    Their pupils are "flat" ... Experts from Soho, everyone continues to drive
  10. Tuzik 20 March 2020 08: 33 New
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    as in a joke, and now file
  11. Viktor Sergeev 20 March 2020 08: 39 New
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    Nobody knows the parameters of any 5th generation aircraft, but all of them compare. Have the Chinese ever heard of electronic warfare, the ability to evade missiles, and tactics of use? Chinese experts are couch idiots.
  12. Azazelo 20 March 2020 08: 48 New
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    What are you planning on buying such a backward plane?
    1. Vasyan1971 20 March 2020 09: 07 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      What are you planning on buying such a backward plane?

      To see how far behind they are from him.
  13. K-50 20 March 2020 08: 57 New
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    Still, the opinion of the Chinese Sohu meant something! fellow
    You can call the Su-57 anything you like, it won’t come and will not give you a face, but it won’t become worse from your “names”. request fellow laughing
  14. rotkiv04 20 March 2020 08: 58 New
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    And why are they so worried about the Su-57, which means they suspect that it will be better than their "likeness" of the aircraft
    1. Vasyan1971 20 March 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: rotkiv04
      And why are they so worried about the Su-57,

      They say that steam locomotives must be crushed while they are still teapots. So they form the "necessary opinion" in advance ...
  15. Zhan 20 March 2020 08: 58 New
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    hi Hello everyone. Here we are everywhere flat, and in most hostile publications .. smile
    But how else, vodka, women, caviar, balalaika, matryoshka, hugs with a bear in a glass with vodka and a padded jacket with earflaps ... smile Traditions must be respected ... smile Let them mislead themselves and propaganda is not necessary, the sick brain itself will deceive itself .... smile
  16. rudolff 20 March 2020 08: 59 New
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    Actually, all this boltology about the fifth and other generations is tired of it. Pure PR and nothing more. There is a new machine, made at that technological level and using those achievements that are available to the manufacturer at this time. That's all. And this applies not only to aviation. The level of "advancement" in various areas in different countries is different, respectively, and the finished product will not be reinforced concrete, it is incomprehensible to anyone who came up with common criteria.
  17. uhu189 20 March 2020 09: 22 New
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    How it is possible to judge the performance characteristics of a fighter from photographs, all the more based on the comments of network users, most of which are also not specialists and especially experts in fighter aviation - it is not clear. If this is an analysis of opinions and comments - so for God's sake, let them consider what they want.
  18. evgic 20 March 2020 09: 25 New
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    The Sohu portal is a haven for Chinese chauvinists with little understanding of the subject. So voicing his opinion is not necessarily committed
  19. Barmaleyka 20 March 2020 09: 26 New
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    To begin with, the author gives an opinion a certain part of Chinese usersincluding experts
    no need to read further
  20. bars1 20 March 2020 09: 31 New
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    The remark about the absence of a “smearing” color is especially lovely!
  21. Mentat 20 March 2020 09: 33 New
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    Even if you pay attention to the color of the Russian fighter, it is not the one that is able to “wash out” the plane in the sky. Yes, he certainly does not look like an invisible fighter.

    Said the Chinese fox, sniffing at the grapes on a branch too high for her.
  22. Aleks2048 20 March 2020 09: 42 New
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    I read the article ... Comments ... Sadness ... The dispute, instead of the technical side and application features, smoothly moved to the section whose wife is prettier? Talking that stealth or maneuverability is more important is quickly replaced by talk about beauty ... Of course, there are things in the armed forces that, in addition to functionality, must be beautiful (to make them look “cool”), but there are very few of them. Basically, the weapon should be functional ergonomic and ... as if nothing more. Whether Su57 belongs to the fifth generation or not, everyone can decide for himself. Here it is more important not to which generation it belongs. More important
    1) the cost of production.
    2) the prospect of further service.
    3) whether the aircraft satisfies the customer, namely the Ministry of Defense of a particular country in terms of ensuring state security, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
    4) whether the product has stock on modernization.
    5) and the mass of other items completely unrelated to beauty.
    In general, if I were a pilot in a real conflict, I would still not care about the flat-round-or square-triangular pepelats on which I fly, so long as the result is unchanged - I am alive and healthy at home with my family, and all my enemies are dead.
    1. muham 20 March 2020 11: 24 New
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      Quote: Alex2048
      In general, if I were a pilot in a real conflict, I would still not care about the flat-round-or square-triangular pepelats on which I fly, so long as the result is unchanged - I am alive and healthy at home with my family, and all my enemies are dead.

      Well, with such thoughts, the F-35 is a handsome man, a Komsomolets and finally an outstanding aircraft.
      1. Aleks2048 20 March 2020 13: 13 New
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        Well, after all, we quite deservedly and fairly consider the T34 the best tank of the Second World War, and not a tiger ... Although the tiger clearly wins in a duel battle ... repeat
        So the Su57 may also win the duel battle with F35, although it looks extremely pale against the background of the latter. Sorry, but quantitatively F35 already just throw their hats today that we don’t even have.
  23. Stalnov I.P. 20 March 2020 09: 43 New
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    Let them look at their 5th generation, with engines from the 60-70s. Dumb talkers.
  24. cloud catcher 20 March 2020 09: 45 New
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    The weak point of the fourth-generation Chinese aircraft is the engine: "it is now using a variant of the Russian AL-31. Another fifth-generation fighter is being created in China - the lightweight J-31, equipped with two Russian RD-93 engines." Aircraft V - the Chinese pay great attention to over-maneuverability - this is a component that limits the physical capabilities of the pilot.
    They need our engines, which is why they are joking.
    1. antique 20 March 2020 11: 06 New
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      Yes, they made their own good engine. Calm down. And they will create their own engine for the 5th generation. Everything will be fine with them. We’ll also be envious. This is Russia turned into a technological desert. They torment their plane for almost 10 years. The end and edge are not visible. Yes, and the engine of the second stage, it is unknown whether or how. The Supreme Commander regularly reports on successes to us. Only these successes, practically from the category of fake news. For him excusable. Age.
  25. Andrey.AN 20 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    To begin with, about the parameters of low visibility, you need to have an idea, test the reflective surface, the autonomous capabilities of passive control of the situation, communications and modes of enveloping the terrain (so as not to catch the eye), the hidden placement of weapons. How it is painted by the military is generally not known, anything can be portrayed for satellites, even a Chinese one.
  26. bobba94 20 March 2020 11: 31 New
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    Over the past 3 years, I read a lot at VO about Chinese weapons, about its wretchedness, about Russian air defense and missile defense systems copied to a nut, about installing Russian aircraft engines on Chinese stealth, about Chinese destroyers, manufactured as tin cans at a fruit and vegetable plant and the same primitive like these banks. There was an answer, and now I will read on Sohu (Chinese VO) about Russian weapons.
  27. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 20 March 2020 11: 52 New
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    When they can’t do anything like that, they’ll scum. The Americans generally made it easier, trying to ban this technique, or see, see. START subcontracts.
  28. AlexSam 20 March 2020 13: 12 New
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    and what was the article about?
  29. pafegosoff 20 March 2020 14: 10 New
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    Sohu - Hong Kong-Taiwan version of "NI" or our "VO".
    Even, rather - "Popular Mechanics" from Hong Kong, Shanghai and Taiwan ...
    In general - ekperdy!
  30. Yaro Polk 20 March 2020 14: 25 New
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    In the last paragraph everything is eloquently said laughing

    * In user comments, it is noted that it is generally difficult to consider the parameters and performance characteristics of a fighter, which has not yet been adopted, since real data can simply be classified.
  31. Barmal 20 March 2020 14: 30 New
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    Yes, this is not a 4th / 5th generation aircraft, it’s just not your business, dear Chinese experts. The chickens were counted in the fall. I believe that if a Chinese 4th generation plane crashes, we most likely will not know about it.
  32. Ax Matt 20 March 2020 15: 09 New
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    Evil takes - guts fights ... Chinese comrades. fool
  33. thinker 20 March 2020 17: 44 New
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    Many experts tend to call the Russian Su-57 "flat Su-27."

    Interestingly, but I have a different translation from the original -
    Some network users called the Su57 "flat Su-27."

  34. Reserve buildbat 20 March 2020 20: 59 New
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    The Chinese "iksperdy" and other "experts" are cast out in their delusional inventions. They judge a plane by pictures, trying in every possible way to belittle its characteristics.
    They can be understood. Current Chinese aircraft do not fly without Russian engines, they sometimes cost more than their Russian counterparts, but you need to sell them. So they climb out of the skin.
  35. kventinasd 21 March 2020 00: 33 New
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    Chinese "experts" are better off eating bats and spreading such nonsense among their fans.
  36. Alexey from Perm 21 March 2020 11: 12 New
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    This is an open secret, everyone knows about it. ))) except urapatriotikov.
  37. Yury Siritsky 21 March 2020 12: 41 New
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    Then there is nothing to hang noodles on the ears. That's when it will be fully equipped then we will draw conclusions.