The Pentagon explained the difference in the cost of F-35A fighters for the US and Poland

The US Department of Defense has published official explanations for the overpricing of the Lockheed Martin F ‑ 35A Lightning II multipurpose combat aircraft ordered by Poland. This is reported by American media.

The Polish Ministry of Defense signed an agreement on January 31 this year to supply 32 American fifth-generation fighter aircraft F-35A. The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, in addition to supplying the aircraft themselves, it includes training for Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistics support. Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will be held in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026, and delivery is scheduled for 2030.

Fighters will be delivered as standard on Block 4, but some journalists drew attention to the fact that the F-35A fighter for Poland costs more than the same fighter purchased by the US Air Force as part of the 14th small-batch lot. The difference in cost is approximately $ 9,5 million per fighter.

The Pentagon explained that the above difference stems from three main elements - $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the US government’s foreign military sales program (FMS), about $ 4,4 million is the cost of inflation, and the rest (about 61 thousand dollars) is the cost of a parachute.

As previously reported, in September last year, the US Congress approved the sale to Poland of 32 F-35A fighters. The preliminary cost of the order was $ 6,5 billion, but Warsaw apparently managed to lower the cost of the contract during the negotiations.

According to the statement of the Polish Minister of Defense, the acquisition of fifth-generation F-35 aircraft will enhance the combat capabilities of F-16 aircraft and completely get rid of "worn-out Soviet aircraft without combat value." We are talking about the MiG-29 and Su-22 standing in service with the Polish Air Force.

To date, the Polish Air Force has 27 MiG-29s, as well as 48 F-16s and 18 Su-22s.

Comments

[NIKN]

Well, how can it be that even a parachute is not included in the package of an airplane.
Suckers all go.
Somehow a new Russian arrives in an antique store, well, something to buy, to stand out in front of a brother. Approaches sellers - they say so and so, I will not stand for the price. They quickly grasped the topic, took out a drum from the pantry and said:
-Here you are. This drum was made by Stradivarius himself.
- Yah!
- Exactly. Our company is solid and does not fool customers.
Well, HP, of course, bought it, brought it home, put it in the most prominent place. Somehow he called guests to himself. Well, during the buffet, he says:
“But my pride is the drum that Stradivarius himself made.”
The entire brotherhood is like a rocket over HP:
- Well, you went nuts. Stradivarius did violins!
HP immediately gathered at that store. After half an hour he returns and with a pleased look declares:
- Oh you damn it. You don’t know the story at all. Stradivarius did violins for suckers, and for NORMAL BOYS he did DRUMS!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NIKNN

Stradivarius did violins for suckers, and for NORMAL BOYS he did DRUMS!

For normal boys F-35, and for Polish suckers F-35 LOH.

[Teberii]

They will take all the blast, but will not turn off the GAZ.

[seti]

So it is - they will not take a whip. Although Europe may also like it ...

[Incvizitor]

For normal boys

f 22 a for Polish suckers f 35

[Killemall]

Yes, everyone knows that representatives of the regional committee from the "shining city on the hill" interact with their Polish (especially Polish, and of course others) followers on the principle "there is no better vagina than a friend's point ..." want.
ps put it bluntly, but I hope the boundaries of the permissible on the forum did not violate

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NIKNN

for NORMAL BOYS he made DRUMS!

I don’t understand, why are psheks worried? Who promised the opposite? All jsf partners are worried about increasing procurement / program costs. The cost reduction of f-35 for us does not mean cost reduction for everyone else. Read contracts

[Starover_Z]

The difference in cost is approximately $ 9,5 million per fighter.

The Pentagon explained that the above difference stems from three main elements - $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the US government’s foreign military sales program (FMS), about $ 4,4 million is the cost of inflation, and the rest (about 61 thousand dollars) is the cost of a parachute.

And the cost of the nameplates in the Polish language is taken into account, or for flights, you need to learn the English language of the American version ?!

[Russobel]

Rjunimagu!
What vegetable Poles 32 DRUM?

[Gray brother]

"The amount of mediation of the administration" is a fierce WIN !!!

[Honest Citizen]

about 4,4 million dollars is the cost of inflation

it's not worse

[Gray brother]

Quote: Honest Citizen

it's not worse

And this is of little use, because 1% of 6,5 billion is 65 million dollars. They are optimists there campaign.
Yes, it is quite possible that with this dough they also missed something.

[Yuriy_999]

You just do not understand. 4,4 million. This is not a contract, but with one unit.

[Avior]

This is understandable, the contract is designed for a long time, dollar inflation exists, it is obvious that it must be taken into account somehow
The Poles will not pay right now

[kjhg]

Quote: Avior

This is understandable, the contract is designed for a long time, dollar inflation exists

Yes, and also, I want to ask those who laugh at the Poles: People, but why should the plane bought by the Poles and the plane delivered to the US Air Force cost the same? What a fright? Are we selling our planes for export at the same price as our VKS? No, of course, there is a difference, and sometimes very significant. As for the Poles, they did not even participate in the program for creating this aircraft!

[Gray brother]

Quote: kjhg

No, of course, there is a difference, and sometimes very significant.

The expense graphs "mediation of the administration" are not.

[kjhg]

Quote: Gray Brother

The expense graphs "mediation of the administration" are not.

Yes, there is no such column, but there is Rosoboronexport for intermediary services. Units of defense industry enterprises have the right to independently sell weapons. The rest is sold through Rosoboronexport.

[Alf]

Quote: kjhg

Are we selling our planes for export at the same price as our VKS?

According to this classical scheme, equipment for its armed forces becomes cheaper.

[kjhg]

Quote: Alf

According to this classical scheme, equipment for its armed forces becomes cheaper.

There, the dependence is not direct of course, but in part, yes, defense industry enterprises have the opportunity to lower the price.

[Alf]

Quote: kjhg

Quote: Alf

According to this classical scheme, equipment for its armed forces becomes cheaper.

There, the dependence is not direct of course, but in part, yes, defense industry enterprises have the opportunity to lower the price.

The cost of development and implementation is discouraged.

[Avior]

Actually, this is logical
But this is logical in the case of the Americans.

[Alf]

Quote: Avior

Actually, this is logical
But this is logical in the case of the Americans.

Yes, no one argues, it is not clear just what the Poles are offended ... For what they fought, they ran into something.

[Avior]

Honestly, I didn’t see that they were offended ....

[Lopatov]

Quote: kjhg

People, but actually why should an airplane bought by the Poles and an airplane delivered to the US Air Force cost the same? What a fright?

Because capitalism.

Quote: kjhg

Are we selling our planes for export at the same price as our VKS?

No.
But the thing is that Lockheed Martin is not 90% owned by the state like KLA

[Avior]

As I understand it, the cost of an airplane does not include the cost of development; Lockheed is for it
- Martin was paid separately
Consequently, Lockheed can not sell freely, the development was not at their expense.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Avior

Consequently, Lockheed cannot sell freely.

Can not.
But the question is not whether to sell or not. The question is cost.
Everything is clear with Russia. In fact, the state sells aircraft to itself.

But in the USA it’s not so ...
And at 99.9%, a private manufacturer sells ALL aircraft to one buyer. To the state. And some of it rumbles. Selling them more expensive allies.

[Avior]

You can look at it differently.
To the cost of Lockheed, they add the cost of development in terms of 1 aircraft.
Those who invested in development, including the States themselves, actually paid this money earlier, because they do not pay extra

[TermNachTer]

Yes, once again you are convinced that mattress makers have no friends - only "six". And on the "sixes" "welded" is sacred.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gray Brother

"Amount of mediation administration"

Everywhere it is corruption and bribery, and they have a beautiful "mediation of the administration". And they only accuse Ukraine of corruption, brothers.

[lelik613]

Have raped, for their own money. Well done!

[Jack O'Neill]

"The amount of mediation of the administration" is a fierce WIN !!!

What do you think, where they mostly buy a car, at a factory or at a car dealership, which also takes a percentage of the goods.
You can exchange a car for almost any product from the store.
Suddenly, right?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

at the factory or at a car dealership, which also takes a percentage of the goods.

Compare American authorities with car dealerships. It's super fierce WIN !!!

And the funny thing is this comparison is more than adequate.

[Jack O'Neill]

Compare American authorities with car dealerships. It's super fierce WIN !!!

And the funny thing is this comparison is more than adequate. laughing

[knn54]

- - $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the program.
Therefore, the State Department and often with approval.

[Cowbra]

Not yet weak ... It was still necessary to lay on the delivery (to the entrance! Then let them pull on the elevator themselves). Another cost of packaging ...
However, so far nothing has arrived - so transport costs - then the Poles will pay)))

[IGOR GORDEEV]

A rich country, all the same - Poland!

[Gray brother]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

A rich country, all the same - Poland!

So the Germans and the French give them money for economic development, here Poland is engaged in the economic development of the USA)))

[pru-pavel]

We are generally proud of this site. That Russian weapons are almost 2-3 times more expensive for export than for the Russian Armed Forces. In this case, no one says that someone raped someone

[Mihail2019]

So we didn't force our "allies" into the development of our "wunderwaffe".

[Mihail2019]

And since ours with characteristics no worse than the "bourgeois" one costs a little cheaper, why not have this difference in your pocket and pay your own people normally.

[Chingachguk]

Wild people! But what, the beads are not attached to the parachute? Is it separately another three million four? But what about without beads?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But what without beads then? .... beads are something sacred, something like .... shorter beads

[Gray brother]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

But what without beads then? .... beads are something sacred, something like .... shorter beads

These bombs are there so that the head will immediately come off if something smart says it by accident.
Therefore, jewelry is the same, typical.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

These have a bomb there .... hardly a bomb. coronovirus

[Victor March 47]

Quote: pru-pavel

We are generally proud of this site. That Russian weapons are almost 2-3 times more expensive for export than for the Russian Armed Forces. In this case, no one says that someone raped someone

Would you be pleased if it were the other way around? Explain the idea, if you can call what you wrote there, thought.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Slaves must pay more.

[Mihail2019]

So - 61 thousand dollars is the price of a brake parachute, and 9,4 million dollars is the price of a "golden parachute for" effective managers "from a manufacturer. Taking into account inflation!
Scribe, they don’t even hide it!
Although, why hide something in front of his vassal ..

[vvp2412]

The Pentagon explained that the above difference stems from three main elements - $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the US Government's Foreign Military Sales Program (FMS)

In Russian it is called - ROLLBACK!

[Prisoner]

The master is the master. How much he will say so much and unfasten the population of Poland, regardless of the quality of the goods. Moreover, the shepherds of this population will have their percentage.

[Stas-90]

Karoche Poles will take money from the EU and buy the fifth generation from the US.
And we have. The apartment has gas.
It is unlikely that the Russian Federation in terms of the number of 5th generation fighters will catch up with Poland in the near future. It’s cloudy like that with this Su-57. There are no engines, no rockets, no ideas and the prospects are foggy.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

It is unlikely that the Russian Federation in terms of the number of 5th generation fighters will catch up with Poland in the near future.

It is necessary to amend the constitution that Russia is leading in the introduction of modern 5th generation aircraft.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH

It is necessary to amend the constitution that Russia is leading in the introduction of modern 5th generation aircraft.

Here is a comedian :)

[Wodan]

I won’t talk about the constitution, but it’s imperative to make the contract with Poland that the F-35 is the FIFTH generation. And then it starts here again ...

[akarfoxhound]

Cool, the Soviet MiG-29 and Su-22 have no combat value, and the old F-16 firewood, of which 2 out of 48 are left in operational condition, have!

[bar]

The Pentagon explained that ... $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the foreign military sales program

What does the translation into Russian mean rollback

[cniza]

The Pentagon explained that the above difference stems from three main elements - $ 5 million is the amount of administration mediation in accordance with the provisions of the US government’s foreign military sales program (FMS), about $ 4,4 million is the cost of inflation, and the rest (about 61 thousand dollars) is the cost of a parachute.

A masterpiece, we don’t have any words like that in the 90s and now we have it, but the light of democracy ah I yay ...

[75 Sergey]

Psheks will have the fifth generation.
Interestingly, when will we finish the second engine?

[qobnvmog]

The manufacturer of the F-35, Lockheed Martin, is a privately held company that pays taxes to the US government.
Poland did not participate in the F-35 project. In theory, they should pay the maximum price with all margins on taxes, overhead, and service contracts.
There may be some nuances with the F-35, but I see no reason to get excited about the higher price to a third party, compared to an internal order.
This is how the market works if someone did not know.

[Pavel57]

Everything according to the scheme - lobism and a parachute.

[Pacifist with AK]

Only 9,5 lemons for each? This is a fee for the lifting power of freedom! Vate does not understand)))))
Z.Y. By the way, in Polish goof is frajer)))))))

[iouris]

Quote: AK pacifist

in Polish goof is frajer

... who is not 42 years old.

[archiroll]

But there is one caveat! As in a famous joke ...

[Karaul14]

Just 9 million more? Despite the fact that Poland did not even participate in the development program? This is minuscule and quite rightly.

[the47th]

The Polish army will also be strong.
Why do they need 32 white elephants, which the Polish Air Force will show off, but will never use for its intended purpose (unless against the Papuans, who have only a spear from air defense systems)? To show off?
For this amount you can buy more than a hundred of the same "outdated", but more useful F-15 or similar.