In Russia created the first fully domestic thermal imager with a cooling system

The first fully domestic thermal imager with a cooling system has been created in Russia. The development of the device is carried out by the Central Research Institute "Cyclone", which is part of the holding "Roselectronika". This was reported by the press service of the state corporation Rostec.

According to the report, the new domestic thermal imager is a highly sensitive thermal imaging camera, consisting of a photodetector (FPU) and an infrared lens based on diffractive IR optics. To cool the body of the photodetector, a microcryogenic system is used, which allows to reduce the detector's own radiation and increase the resolution of the device. The thermal imager uses a matrix with a format of 640 by 512 sensitive elements.

According to the developers, the thermal imaging detector has a high threshold sensitivity due to the use of structures on quantum wells (Quantum Well Infrared Photodetector, QWIP). The device confidently recognizes objects at a distance of at least 3500 m, even in a wide field of view of 10,5 * 7,8 degrees.

The Central Research Institute is positioning a new thermal imager as equipment designed to solve problems where a large detection range, high resolution and maximum frame detail are required.

According to Rostec’s Executive Director Oleg Yevtushenko, earlier foreign-made detectors were used in Russian-made cooling cameras. The specialists of Roselectronics have created the first equipment on the domestic element base. At the moment, a serial model of this technique has been created.

Thermal imagers with cooling provide higher accuracy compared to uncooled devices and are used for scientific research, process control, as well as in survey and sighting complexes of military equipment, in airborne systems of aircraft, as part of security systems

- said in a statement.

Comments

[St Petrov]

now listen to the experts

[Evil Booth]

In the 80s, the T80U commander’s part of the vehicles had a thermal imager that could see miles beyond the abram, and THIS number of 80s was very impressive without speaking of the generally large number of 80s not of the UK and another T72 with tens of thousands ... remember thermal imagers went to tanks even It’s true that there was more WWII there ... but here in the text about the fact that the first .... and since then, not a single one has been cooled for a week .. bgg chtoli want to say bggg

[PavelM]

and since then it’s been direct for a week that there’s not one chilled .. bgg chtoli want to say bggg

If you like to distort words, then feel sorry for those who are forced to break their eyes about IT! ☝️

[ism_ek]

Quote: Evil Booth

seeing and far beyond abrams

The range was provided by the backlight, which unmasked the tank.

[Evil Booth]

daniel and was then passive abrasamovy then?

[aftbreeze]

Atas! Well, you have a syllable! In Russian, can you piss the same thing?

[Klingon]

and now the same thing is possible only in Russian ??

[dmmyak40]

Deport your friend home, to Albania, where he was waiting ...

[Evil Booth]

viewers billions of bots are slightly less than unrelated to proofs - T-80U (1985): Further development with a better turret, Kontakt-5 explosive reactive armor, improved gunsight, and 9M119 Svir missile system. In 1990 a new, 1,250-hp, engine was installed. Overall protection with Kontakt-5 against APFSDS / HEAT is 780 / 1,320 mm RHAe. [8] 9K119M with antitank guided missile 9M119M installed since 1990. Some of the tanks in commander version (T-80UK) equipped with Shtora-1 APS, and thermal imaging night sight TO1-PO2T (detection range / target classification range = 6,400 / 4,600 meters at night) Basic thermal night sight of the T-80U is within the limits of 1,750 / 1,500 meters. [23] OMS tank Abrams M1
The SLA of the Abrams M1 tank (1980) differed from the SLA of the Leopard 2 tank for the worse, for reasons of simplicity of design and lowering the cost of the system, they refused the combined gunner’s sight and panoramic sight of the commander with independent vertical and horizontal field of view stabilization.

The gunner installed a periscopic monocular GPS gunner combined sight with a built-in thermal imaging channel and a laser rangefinder. The sight had an independent stabilization of the field of view only vertically and dependent on the horizon on the weapon stabilizer with all the drawbacks of the gunner sight of the M60 tank.

In the optical channel of the sight, a discrete increase with a magnification of x3 and x10 was provided, and in the thermal imaging series a number of discrete magnifications, including electronic with a magnification of x50. The sight provided a range measurement in the range of 200 ... 8000 m and night vision range up to 2000m.

For the commander to fire from a gun instead of a gunner in the gunner's sight, there was an ocular retraction for the commander. An optical telescopic articulated sight with a magnification ratio of x8 was mounted as a gunner's backup sight.

The commander in a rotating turret for visibility and search for targets had only a set of prismatic observation devices.

and now again, whoever has a thicker thermal imager ... about the backlight ... and in a battle, it’s more visible and ad hoc, and what’s there to find the proof is nesmaizdat so that it is like a thermometer on both!

[Million]

marry Tereshkova!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: c-Petrov

now listen to the experts

about oil, the ruble and amendments to the Constitution will be whining !!!

[dmmyak40]

About campaigns, about battles, about past battles ....

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: dmmyak40

About campaigns, about battles, about past battles ....

your words, yes to god’s ears !! where are you going to find these ?? one nagging, ffsepropalo, no money !! on the last coupons in tyrnet go !!!

[dmmyak40]

Yes, there are many here, they just do not want to shine again. And the audience is already completely strange.
And so, here such comrades in depth and silence swim, wow!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: dmmyak40

Yes, there are many here, they just do not want to shine once again.

Yes, I would also not shine ... like a military resource, but one nagging from the pseudo-communists !!!

[rocket757]

Create, create ... start releasing, i.e. to establish mass production with proper quality and suitable price !!! This is really going to be a HOLIDAY on Zarechnaya Street!

[St Petrov]

At the moment, a serial model of this technique has been created.

although first production samples - would sound more solid

[DMB 75]

Yes, the main thing completely domestic ! We can when necessary! Pleased with the news, well done!

[rocket757]

Oh how much more that WE NEED !!! only joyful news about new achievements make us extremely rare.

[St Petrov]

only joyful news about new achievements make us extremely rare.

you need to look for them. Doychewelle and Echo-Moskvy and other fried sites with the prefix "free" will not write about this. And now they read about such sources without exception.

Every day, production opens. Each. I do not like it - done, (faith does not allow), there are other sites. The same ruekspert

[rocket757]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Every day, production opens. Each.

Suppose we closed the "aluminium", and opened a hundred Magnets ... is that the same?
Do not consider yourself .... like, others can not read, count and think.
We have a lot where if not kirdets, then it’s not far at all ... and the two new factories for the production of detergents and other auto chemicals that were opened in the district center do not cover the losses of the Keramzit Plant, the House-Building Plant, a career for the production of oil shale ... if you just count.
People know how to count and look into refrigerators every day ...
We have EVERYTHING unequal. Somewhere it’s just empty, but somewhere ... well, that is, it’s being built.

[St Petrov]

Do not consider yourself .... like, others can not read, count and think.

yes the trick is that you don’t read. Able to read (literacy trained), but whether faith, or xs that interferes

and two new factories

I write - there are thousands of them. These factories. And some of the factories cost $ 10-20 billion - more than Ukraine

[rocket757]

Okay, he said, but to prove his point, or type pf-e, and so everything is proved ....

[St Petrov]

under each of the news about the new factory - its coordinates, the number of jobs and how much it cost in general.

If you need more information about a particular factory (for example, it was not disclosed on the sun), then you are puzzled by the search engine.

I explain - all this is. No secret information. It’s just that they write about amendments to EchoMoskva or Deutschewell, not about new production, but for now, if you read all these nonsense, then there’s no time to search for news about new production

Industrial production in the Russian Federation has been growing for more than 20 months in a row. These are hundreds of new productions that have not been read about.

[rocket757]

There will be no dispute, each with his own opinion.
And so .... there are many different indicators of the development of the country's economic power, and this is by no means a simple enumeration of the opening of various industries, clusters and zones of some kind of development there. Everything is much more mundane, in the material plane t.s.
We’ll see it all, it’s not so long to wait! The refrigerator will show and prove everything.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Well, it’s you who have bent, the most expensive of their plants under construction, is the Amur Gas Processing Plant, and then there, according to various estimates, the cost is about $ 18-19 billion, but in rubles, yes, 10-20 billion is not uncommon!

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"People know how to count and look into refrigerators every day ..." they say that food cans in Great Britain have become more common than McDonald's, is it really Russia’s fault here too

[rocket757]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

"People know how to count and look into refrigerators every day ..." they say that food cans in Great Britain have become more common than McDonald's, is it really Russia’s fault here too

Emancipation and feminism are thoughtless.
Glory to the Almighty that our mother-in-law, for the most part, knows how to impress daughters that a man is not ....
in short, they are taught to COOK !!!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: DMB 75

Yes, the main thing is completely domestic! We can when necessary!

Yes.
However, there, Chubais (not to be remembered for the night), also just now "completely domestic" the tablet has been picked up https://m.tsargrad.tv/news/lampa-moped-za-600-tysjach-i-cherno-belyj- planshet-chubajsu-pripomnili-vse-uspehi-na-postu-glavy-rosnano_190660
I very much hope that "Cyclone" and "Ruselectronics" will not repeat this "feat"!

[Skubudu]

That's when they announce that all T-90Ms have these thermal imagers installed, then we will rejoice.

[Cat]

serial sample

I agree, the serial sample in the singular is nonsense. There is no such thing in R&D. There are prototypes or pilot batches (or product prototypes) at the final stage of OCD. The series involves well-established production with a technological base, documentation, etc., etc., and much more.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: c-Petrov

At the moment, a serial model of this technique has been created.

although first production samples - would sound more solid

Yes, and so good. This means that the basic production technology and assembly process have been developed. Of course, it will be further improved, but most importantly, it has begun.

[Starover_Z]

confidently recognizes objects at a distance of at least 3500 m even in a wide field of view of 10,5 * 7,8 degrees.

And what is the dimension of an identifiable object? Let's hope it's smaller than the Eiffel Tower!

[Naz]

There are no analogues in the world?

[St Petrov]

There are no analogues in the world?

there is definitely no sad analogue of the Russian liberda

[Dangerous]

A man asked a specific question - there are no analogues in the world? If there is nothing to answer, then it is better to remain silent

[alean245]

Have you banned a person in Google?

[St Petrov]

The person asked a specific question.

The man (whether. That's the question) decided to make a wretched joke in two hundred. It dawned on everyone what this body was about. Well, almost to everyone.

[KVIRTU]

You know, but the joke is really over 200. Thousand. rub. This is its price, hunting, sightseeing.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Dangerous

A man asked a specific question - there are no analogues in the world? If there is nothing to answer, then it is better to remain silent

The man did not ask a question, but wanted to pin up and reveal the reaction of "hurray-patriots." Didn't the person read the publication in which nothing is said about the fact that there are no analogues in the world !? Then why did the person ask the question if he had not read the article? It would be better not to say anything.

[Nastia makarova]

this is not a man but a troll))))

[kjhg]

Quote: Naz

There are no analogues in the world?

It seems like they were finally able to create the Russian analogue of the French second-generation thermal imagers of the Tails company, which they put on our export T-90S tanks. I heard that our thermal imagers were uncooled, so in a hot climate they overheated, which did not suit customers.

[Mentat]

In fact, they have already been released before, but not in series, but in experimental series. It turned out expensive. Apparently, they found a way to reduce the cost of production.

[A. Privalov]

Devices with similar performance characteristics have long been sold on Aliexpress for ridiculous money. For example, MH-C6420. The tank recognizes from 5000 meters, and the person from 3800.
Was it worth the fence?

[St Petrov]

Was it worth the fence?

conclusion from the post above: is it better to buy on alik?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: s-t Petrov

conclusion from the post above: is it better to buy on alik?

Conclusion from the post: to do something more useful if you can not exceed the cheap foreign counterparts.
By the way, I heard about them 8 years ago. Since then, a lot of water has flowed in the world, but they have not changed the picture on their locker.

[alean245]

Conclusion from the post: to do something more useful if you can not exceed the cheap foreign counterparts.

By this logic, you don’t need to do anything at all. Neither the civilian aircraft industry, nor the development of the element base and all that jazz. There are a priori cheaper foreign analogues. And it’s cool that cheapness is the result of huge serial production, which, in turn, is due in most cases to the seizure of all sales markets and no matter how hard you try, it is hardly possible to do something cheaper before reaching the same serial production. Why strain, really? We’ll buy everything from them. Oh, sanctions again?! ...

[Dart]

these are halts, and he is such ... like a pan ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: alean245

By this logic, you don’t need to do anything at all. Neither the civilian aircraft industry, nor the development of the element base and all that jazz.

Necessary.
A few words about the "elementary base" and something directly related to it.

According to TSAMTO, in April 2009, Russia purchased two Searcher II from Israel for study for $ 12 million from Israel.

In October 2010, a $ 300 million contract was signed for the assembly of Searcher II from Israeli components at the Kazan Helicopter Plant.

Since 2012, the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) has begun production of reconnaissance systems consisting of localized UAVs and a control vehicle, which instead of Searcher is called “Outpost” and developed at RTI Systems OJSC.

As of January 2014, 6 Forpost UAVs and a ground control station were in service with an unmanned aerial squad, which was formed in Kamchatka at the Yelizovo air base.

By the end of 2017, about 30 Forpost systems with three drones in each of the imported components were delivered to the troops.

Watch the time? For 7 (seven!) Years collected.

Shoigu visited the factory and ordered the organization of production from domestic components.
It turned out that many components in the Russian Federation none at all and never released, and those that were - did not meet the requirements first of all, by weight (twice) and dimensions (twice).

In December 2017, a message appeared on function.mil.ru:
"Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov visited the Ural Civil Aviation Plant in Yekaterinburg on a working trip.
Speaking at a meeting with the staff of the enterprise, he said that the Russian Ministry of Defense has been planning from 2019 further purchases of Forpost drones, improved taking into account combat experience in Syria and assembled entirely from Russian components.
“In Syria,“ Forpost ”has established itself from the best side. Therefore, we are making plans to use these complexes for the next decade. Naturally, they will undergo modernization, ”explained Yuri Borisov.

Exactly one and a half years, in August 2019, the Russian Ministry of Defense published a video of the first flight of the modernized Forpost-R drone. According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it is made of domestic components with Russian software. The APD-85 engine was used as a power plant. It should go into service with the Russian army in 2020.

[A. Privalov]

Further, on the engine.
"The development of the aircraft engine APD-85 is carried out as part of the work carried out by the UZGA company to create a Russified and localized version of the UAV" Forpost "-" Forpost-R "to replace the imported analogue. The original version of this drone is a licensed copy of the Israeli UAV Searcher MkII with the Australian engine Jabiru 2200converted from a carburetor to an injector version. A four-cylinder, four-stroke boxer boxer aircraft engine of air cooling weighing about 63 kg had a power of about 85 horsepower. (Other sources talked about the Limbach L 550 engine. My comment.)
The APD-85 engine is a a combination of a cylinder-piston group from Jabiru and a Russian-developed control system. This engine is currently undergoing government bench tests, which are scheduled for completion in February 2020. "
This is with arms-expo.ru

I dare to suggest that for the other components of this import substitution does not occur.

[alean245]

Well, what can I say from your example - youthful maximalism does not always go away with age. As wisdom does not always come with age

[AU Ivanov.]

Do not believe it: on the Israeli Merkava from the domestic only the case and electronics. The gun, engine and transmission are also imported. But they don’t complex it.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

on the Israeli Merkava from the domestic only the case and electronics. The gun, engine and transmission are also imported. But they don’t complex it.

And the tankmen!
Duc, why complex something?
Komplektik left - you lick your fingers. Sharpened under our conditions, maintainable, amenable to alteration and for some modernization the place still remains ...

Do what you know how to do well. What you have best of all.
Or what you do not sell. From the word "generally". Then, there is nothing left but to create for yourself, but something completely new, such that those who did not sell you die of envy.

[Ka-52]

Conclusion from the post: to do something more useful if you can not exceed the cheap foreign counterparts.

some stupid statement. If at the moment the scientific and technical potential does not allow us to make a device better than competitors, then does our army team run with flashlights instead of thermal imagers? For me, it is better to have such a domestic development, than not at all! Moreover, progress has progressive development and is spurred primarily by demand. Or do you think that foreign manufacturers made progress suddenly like that, unexpectedly like chirium?

[alean245]

Was it worth the fence?

No, of course, we need to continue to sell oil and gas, all we need to buy on an alibaba (sarcasm)

[Ka-52]

No, of course, we need to continue to sell oil and gas, all we need to buy on an alibaba is laughing (sarcasm)

VO's audience is very consistent. They groan that everything is lost, there are no technical developments in Russia, there are no technologies, nothing. And when the article appears that not everything is lost, there are developments, though not the most advanced, not the most technically advanced, but their own, then clever writers appear - and then it’s nada, buy a ray from Alik! ... Curtain .. ..

[KVIRTU]

See the website of the company cryotherm St. Petersburg. From the map of representations around the world in the eyes of the ripples. It is they who produce multistage cooling systems based on Peltier elements for the French, including thermal imagers.

[ism_ek]

Quote: A. Privalov

Devices with similar performance characteristics have long been sold on Aliexpress for ridiculous money. For example, MH-C6420. The tank recognizes from 5000 meters, and the person from 3800.
Was it worth the fence?

8,5 million rubles apiece - is that ridiculous money?

[A. Privalov]

Domestic will be cheaper? Let's hope.

[Attsxnumx]

Something I did not see cheap thermal imagers on Alik, and even more so for ridiculous money !! can I, as a hunter, have a couple of sights?)) although everyone has the concept of ridiculous money probably different !!!

[Million]

You see, soon the domestic TV will be developed from completely domestic radio components

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, of course ... after all, there is reason to be glad if earlier they were glad to have a "cancer without fish" ... and then "fish" appeared! And when will we catch up with the NATO members using uncooled thermal imagers? By the way, I don’t understand about the "microcryogenic system" ... Cooling with a refrigerant, for example, liquid ... or a thermoelectric system?

[bars1]

Uncooled matrices are already mastered by our industry. But on the Internet there are bad conversations that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation buys them. I do not know if this is true.

[Honest Citizen]

Now they will write me down again in the liberals, but what I want to say.
Fully your thermal imager is good, that's right.
BUT, as always, but ...
Tell me, why do I need a thermal imager in civilian life? Those. a thing useful to the army, and I repeat once again, it’s just wonderful that it is completely its own, but completely useless in everyday life.
What is this talking about? The fact that in the defense industry, the army poured money. Do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's (s). But here, with everyday everyday trifles, we are somehow tight.
Aliexpress?

[St Petrov]

Tell me, why do I need a thermal imager in civilian life?

now expert advice will be tightened and through the prism of the class struggle everything will be laid out on shelves

Tell me, why do I need a thermal imager in civilian life? Those. item useful to the army

to read the topic about thermal imagers and ask why they are in civilian life - this is some kind of sur

[Honest Citizen]

to read the topic about thermal imagers and ask why they are in civilian life - it's some kind of

I explain to those in the tank.
A country is not only an army. It is also people who work, eat, live. And these people have needs. Including.
That the army is provided is honor and praise.
But what about the needs of a peaceful, civilian life, should we forget?
Today, I specially ran through the headlines of both pro-government and opposition media - and I did not see ANYTHING about the new open production. Something like this.

[Dart]

Sergeant, I’m just amazed at the number of technically and militarily illiterate people and bots that have appeared on the resource over the past three to four years. Of course, this is a sign of the site’s popularity, but from this it attracts various troll factories, of course, for the most part anti-Russian. It's a pity. Previously, at least you could talk with competent specialists, of whom the number here decreases and decreases, and apparently, for the same reason ... I feel that it’s also time to dump ... I've been preparing for a year now, I think everything will work out in VO. ..but somehow ....

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

you directly voiced my thoughts!

[Avior]

completely useless in everyday life

still useful
building heat loss audit

[Swordserg]

You are deeply mistaken, sir. On a citizen, this device can even come in handy. As an example: detection of breast cancer or other diseases at an early stage of oncology (Tomsk citizens conducted an experiment and detected at a stage when tests were not yet detected). Another example is the control of dampness and humidity in a room. Thermograms clearly show heat leakage in the room. Very useful in construction. These are a few examples from a citizen.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why a thermal imager on a civilian? At least in order to slow you down at an airport with elevated body temperature on suspicion of contracting a coronovirus.

[Borsht]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Tell me, why do I need a thermal imager in civilian life?

I don’t know for you. It can be useful to firefighters and other rescuers.

[Million]

Interested in the cooling system. Is this a backpack behind me with dry ice?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Million

Is it a backpack behind dry ice?

No, there the system works on Chinese batteries.

[Amateur]

The first fully domestic thermal imager with a cooling system has been created in Russia.

The war was coming to an end, but the optics worked tirelessly to ensure that the front did not feel the need for anything, thought of new devices, completely unusual for that time, which were used either at the end of the war or after it.
Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) G. M. Malenkov said:
“Well, put out the light, see what they show us.”
The light turned off. We were in total darkness. The windows are tightly curtained. In turn, they began to bring us to the device and ask:
- What do you see?
When my turn came, I, looking through the glass, barely restrained myself so as not to express amazement. At the other end of the hall, about 30–35 meters, I clearly saw a man standing. (Novikov V.N. Memoirs)

http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/novikov_vn/09.html

[Mentat]

Quote: A. Privalov

Devices with similar performance characteristics have long been sold on Aliexpress for ridiculous money. For example, MH-C6420. The tank recognizes from 5000 meters, and the person from 3800.
Was it worth the fence?

Thermal imagers have existed in the world for a long time, you made a brilliant discovery, cap! And even the Chinese rivet them on imported matrices and sell them on Ali, unbelievable! Cap, you as always opened your eyes to the truth.

Have you read the article title? Why do you portray a misunderstanding why the military-industrial complex needs its own thermal imager, and not French, or, especially, Chinese on someone’s matrices, somehow assembled there?

[Svetlana]

This news is good. And good not only from the point of view of this, separately taken thermal imager, but from the point of view of "completely domestic components."
If the range of "domestic components" is large, it means that the production of electronic components is reviving (emerging). And this is absolutely great news.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

No words only emotions.
This is what happens. Until now, Russia did not have its own thermal imagers!?
And so it turns out, just talking about analogy, but in fact with the developed world there is simply a technological gap in several decades. The rotting capitalists have already replaced the third generation of thermal imagers ...

[iouris]

It is important, firstly, how competitive it is, and secondly, whether this development can be sold and earned ("recoup money").

[Alf]

Quote: iouris

is it possible to sell this development and earn ("recoup money").

You can sell anything, the only question is the skill and arrogance of the seller.

[iouris]

Did you answer as a reason or as a proprietary marketer?

[Alf]

Quote: iouris

Did you answer as a reason or as a proprietary marketer?

As a person who has been trading in the market for twenty years.
By the way, the Chinese put their Type 59 (a variant of our T-55) last exported in 2008 (!). Here's who to learn from.

[smile]

Alf
It's like that.
But the Chinese could not even arrange the sale of their new automatic machines - the very ones based on the Finnish version of Kalash - bull pop + handle from Famas - could not.
since the quo of the machine gun is such that it can only be compared with the latest Iraqi "modifications" or the crossbow - take an interest ... it's just sur. Personally, my mind does not fit in like a country. which, it seems, makes high-quality fifth-generation aircraft. aircraft carriers, destroyers of the Arleigh Burke type - and could not establish the production of a normal rifle ... to be honest, I did not expect from the Chinese.
If not laziness - take an interest and evaluate yourself, preferably take an interest in other places as well - the result will be unchanged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DosKIQswcrk&list=PLR56r6pplJ8mf-RdWcUeovshEstFjongP
So it goes.

[Alf]

Quote: smile

It's like that.
But the Chinese could not even establish the sale of their new machines

Perhaps you are right, I will not argue. But there is one nuance - the difference between Chinese goods is the formula "what you pay is what you get." For a small amount of RMB, the quality is the same. A couple of years ago there was a big scandal in the US Air Force. The plane came to the next maintenance, it, as expected, began to be disassembled and inspected and one interesting thing turned out - Chinese electronic parts were used on the plane, which is prohibited in the US Armed Forces. But the most interesting thing was that all these details WORKED AS NECESSARY. Here is the notorious "Chinese quality".

[smile]

Alf
I will not argue with you either. Since I do not understand this topic .... though. and there are doubts - forgive me, who didn’t understand this topic — I say in my own words — when we had scandals in Roscosmos with similar details, it turned out that the parts, microcircuits that were fully working on the Earth — their requirements for resistance to various adverse factors do not comply with accepted standards , and, often, they do not withstand working conditions in orbit.
Not always, but often.
And there are no guarantees.
I believe the same thing happened with the Americans.
And about the shooter, in which I understand a little :)))) more than in aircraft and spacecraft production - I can say the "last nail" in the coffin of Chinese production workers - the details of their modern machines are not interchangeable .... I suppose - comments are unnecessary .... this ... this is a diagnosis and a complete bottom.
Not surprising. that they did not sell them to anyone.
But, I repeat - I don’t understand how it can be .... damn, I seriously don’t understand how they can produce high-tech weapon systems - even if they out of habit lie about TTX - and they really often lie - they fly into space - and here I’m not lying around - it won’t help ........ and arm your troops with small arms, which even the Lithuanian army will disdain .... Miracles, in general ....
So it goes. :)

[Alf]

Quote: smile

and arm their troops with small arms, which even the Lithuanian army will disdain ...

And what did the tank rides show? For such competitions, "products" are made piece by piece, every detail is licked, checking them ten times in a row, and how the Chinese Types drove is a shame, then the trucks with shells inside, then the rollers fall off.

Quote: smile

Miracles, in general ....

You are right, some more ...
PS The minus is not mine.

[smile]

Alf
You in vain blurted out about the minus - firstly, even if you put it - you had the right, my business? For me personally, this, to put it mildly, is not a reason for small and petty offenses. :)))
secondly - people put minuses or pluses. who read comments and express their opinions about our comments. This is normal, in my opinion .... I generally don’t understand the negative emotions of some who fell under the distribution - they say they demonized, demons !!! :))) Well, it's funny, the right word ..... like serious people ... yeah. and then the obos ... suffer, in general, from the fact that ... God forgive me for someone pressing the virtual button .... well, what seriousness can we talk about after that? :)))
Of course. I am pleased if someone supports me - but if not - I am not at all upset - what is here, what is in life. so that - drop this matter .... even if you put me down and let me know - I won’t think badly of you - it’s just that you have the right to evaluate my comments, like everyone else - so that somehow I don’t understand what is there to be offended ....
See you.
And minus me mercilessly - if I deserve it - you will not get any insults. :))))
According to the text - about tank rides - the selection from the Chinese is an order of magnitude steeper than ours - plus, they train more exclusively to participate in the rides, and not to improve their skills - much more than ours - everything is in the open press - take an interest. The same applies to the cars, which, although ours lick, cannot be compared with the KAMAZ-rally "paris-dakar". But the Chinese are close to that. At present, our usual window dressing is nothing in front of the Chinese and in front of NATO, by the way, too - they have similar competitions .... I read the opinions of the British. how they prepared their challengers and their crews ... :))) yeah - our show is not show at all, compared to them ...
By the way. Potemkin villages named one of the foreign diplomats (I don’t remember who and whose) including the fortress of Sevastopol ... :))))
And yet, I will insistently return to the topic - the non-interchangeability of the details of small arms - this is a real diagnosis, at least kill it. :)))
Well, damn it, I'm one hundred percent sure, you did not know about this, and you yourself are surprised - how is this possible, right? :))))

[Gogia]

Quote: A. Privalov

Devices with similar performance characteristics have long been sold on Aliexpress for ridiculous money. For example, MH-C6420. The tank recognizes from 5000 meters, and the person from 3800.
Was it worth the fence?

You seem quite amateur ...
1. Thermal imagers with a cooled matrix have an order of magnitude higher than household ones - which are sold on Aliexpress.
2. Tales, due to the sanctions, does not supply us with the matrix anymore, so many of our tanks with "Headlights" are on active lighting - it's just a disgrace.
3. Do you know how military devices differ from civilian ones? Standards for operating conditions, vibrations, etc. If you put a household phone with Ali on a tank, then you won’t even be able to fart in the tank, not to shoot, but if something hits the tank?
4. You need to have repair kits in reserve, and with us, see paragraph 1.
5. Do we need to develop microelectronics, or take mikruhi for satellites on aliexpress?
and many more reasons.

[Nitarius]

eh .. that Soviet trait remained .. the main thing will be counted out! let's tell the truth .. what is it for the masses!