Chinese “economic miracle”: can it be “copied” by Russia


How did it happen that a poor and undeveloped country, which was even less than half a century ago, suddenly turned into such an important part of the world economy, trade and finance that troubles in it instantly come from all over the planet in waves of stock market collapses and other economic shocks?


In fact, nothing so incredible in the 80s - 90s of the last century, from which the very “miracle” that the whole world is now ecstatic (or horrified) takes, has not been done in China. They tried to create the "incredible" there a little earlier - during the "Great Leap Forward", "Cultural Revolution" and similar experiments, the price of which turned out to be extremely high, and the results ... Well, let's say, not at all the ones they were striving for both those who came up with these "superprograms" and those who were forced to participate in them.

On the other hand, an attempt to build a market economy in a socialist state, while not abandoning the fundamental principles set forth in the program of the Communist Party and with its absolutely dominant position in society, seemed to many then something from the field of unscientific fiction. Nevertheless ... Reduced state control over a number of sectors of the economy (but by no means over those that were and remain strategic for the country), liberalization of foreign trade (which did not turn into squandering of state resources), massive attraction to China's investments from all over the world - these and other similar steps gave the result that we are seeing today.

The second (according to other sources, the first) economy on the planet, which has left practically all the states of the world far behind itself in terms of growth and development, society has managed to combine capitalist wealth with communist order and discipline, a tremendous take-off in the field of scientific, technical, innovative development - All this is China of our day. Perhaps the thing is that building an overdeveloped industry, strengthening the army in every way and solving similar global problems, Beijing did not forget for a moment the main thing - the growth of the welfare of its citizens. By the number of millionaires, China has long surpassed all who can. But at the same time, there was no terrifying stratification of society that is characteristic of our post-Soviet stories.

According to the World Bank, in 2010, more than 200 million people lived in the country below the poverty line. Already in 2017, their number dropped to less than 50 million, by 2020, if not for the coronavirus, the Chinese comrades, completely incomprehensibly managing to become rich with the whole nation, would get rid of the concept of “poverty” as such. At the same time, starting as a “workshop of the world”, which throws out waves of not the highest quality goods “by a larger number, cheaper” to the general market, the Celestial Empire has turned into a country where more and more complex and perfect things are created, into a “locomotive” of the so-called “high” The most advanced technology. Without "eating up" the acquired superprofits, they invested there and are investing them in development in order to make even greater profits.

China did not disdain to copy other people's models, technologies, concepts - including in the economy.

Is something similar possible for our country? Often here and there the voices are heard of those who call for "repeating the Chinese miracle" - are we, dumber than them, or something, or we don’t know how to work at all? Let me express my own opinion. Firstly, Russia does not need to try to copy one-to-one. It is precisely from attempts to live in a strange mind, to walk in a different way that many of our troubles arise, and over the centuries. Secondly, it’s hard to imagine, since officially our country has no ideology, and the Chinese economic miracle was largely based on ideological principles.

Meanwhile, the West realized how stupid it was, deciding on "special economic zones" with extremely favorable business conditions and the like "goodies", which by no means stupid Chinese attracted the local corporations like bees with honey. In fact, China accomplished the “economic miracle” with its mind and colossal work, but with other people's money and technology.

They won’t give us anything. Today's "trade wars" waged by Washington against Beijing are just an attempt to "win back everything." Useless, of course, but very persistent. In no case will the West create itself a new economic competitor in the face of our country. So, do not even try? It is necessary to act primarily on their own and on their own resources, since there are many of them. At the same time - taking from the Chinese comrades all the best practices and know-how in the macroeconomic field that you can still take. The “economic miracle” of Russia must certainly take place. At least, it remains only to believe ...
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  1. rocket757 12 March 2020 10: 59 New
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    Chinese “economic miracle”: can it be “copied” by Russia

    You don’t even have to sniff !!! It won’t work out ... you have to go with your juche.
    1. olegfbi 12 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      Russia does not need to try to copy one-to-one

      No need to take / copy anything, that's right! You just need to remember and apply your experience!
      Chinese economic development is based on the principles of economics introduced by I. Stalin! A subsequent attempt to RETURN these principles was made by Yu. Andropov, but unfortunately he did not have time / did not survive ...
      If very briefly, then everything is simple enough:
      1. The state is in full control and it owns the STRATEGIC sectors of the economy and the military-industrial complex.
      2. Significantly significant production is controlled by the state indirectly, for example, through shares / shares in capital and boards of directors. Possible options.
      3. Consumer market, light industry, etc. completely given into the hands / development of private capital.
      4. The state provides REAL support for the development of production (of any) through soft loans, preferences in the provision of land for construction, tax benefits, etc.
      Of course, everything is much more complicated, but this is the main thing.
      1. aybolyt678 12 March 2020 13: 12 New
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        + plus, of course, I just didn’t find, for example, responsibility for non-fulfillment, I also couldn’t find an ideology of legal significance, and without this, a herd of consumer egoists will tear the country apart, despite any beautiful intentions
        1. olegfbi 12 March 2020 16: 28 New
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          just I did not find for example the responsibility for non-compliance ...

          It is true and it should be and much more!
          But here I only set out the main, let’s say, paragraphs, and not a multi-page program of action yes
      2. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 13: 40 New
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        In Russia, the share of state participation in the economy is twice as large as in China
        1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 17: 00 New
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          Quote: BlackMokona
          In Russia, the share of state participation in the economy is twice as large as in China

          Can you confirm the reliability of the data?
          In China, state support is provided to all economically important projects. They understand that concessions today will pay off handsomely (taxes) in the future.
          1. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 19: 17 New
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            https://fas.gov.ru/publications/18306
            According to the FAS, before the 1998 crisis, the state’s share in the Russian economy was estimated at about 25%, in 2008 - already at 40-45%. By 2013, it exceeded 50%. “In 2017, according to many expert estimates, it can exceed already 60-70%. It should be noted that in 2018 the situation has not changed significantly,” the antimonopoly department notes.

            https://thewallmagazine.ru/economy-in-china/
            In the Chinese economy, the private sector is showing high growth rates. The public sector in the year (1978), when Deng Xiaoping began the Chinese economic reforms, accounted for 78% of the gross domestic product (GDP), the non-state sector - 22%. By 2008, the opposite was already observed: non-state enterprises produced 72% of GDP, and state-owned - 28%

            Yes, I don’t seem to keep up with the changes. Given that waves of privatization in the PRC are continuing, the difference is already leading to a threefold gap.
            https://offshore-wealth.livejournal.com/400283.html
            In early July 2017, Chinese officials agreed to reduce public sector debt and close debtor companies. And already on July 19 it became known that the PRC State Council decided to transfer about 100 state enterprises to private hands.

            1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 19: 20 New
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              Even according to your data, in China the share of state property is 28%, and we have 25%. But the confusion over the years. How does this compare with yours?
              Quote: BlackMokona
              In Russia, the share of state participation in the economy is twice as large as in China

              ??
              1. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 19: 23 New
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                According to the FAS, before the 1998 crisis, the state’s share in the Russian economy was estimated at about 25%, in 2008 - already at 40-45%. By 2013, it exceeded 50%. “In 2017, according to many expert estimates, it can exceed already 60-70%. It should be noted that in 2018 the situation has not changed significantly,” the antimonopoly department notes.

                Where did you find 25% from me?
                You fully read
                1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 19: 52 New
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                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  Where did you find 25% from me?

                  I apologize for seeing double in the eyes. repeat
                  But the IMF estimates the share of state participation in the Russian economy at 33%. This is still not twice as much.
                  Next - the structure of the shares of state property in Russia and China is very different in two factors
                  1) Issue price - the cost of these% in China is several times higher than in Russia
                  2) In Russia, state property is almost all extractive, in China producing. And this is a big difference.
                  1. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 19: 57 New
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                    Do you believe the IMF or our state?
                    1) This does not affect the situation.
                    2) In China too. The production of oil, gas and other things under the leadership of the state, like ours.
                    In mining, the state has a huge advantage over private companies, since the government personally distributes who and where has the right to mine
                    1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 20: 02 New
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                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Do you believe the IMF or our state?

                      In terms of IMF figures. They don’t need to exaggerate, but there is "our" government. The main reason is to convince the people of an excessively large share of the state, and to push through the next stage of privatization.
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      This does not affect the situation.

                      The state’s share in the monetary equivalent in China is several times higher than ours, and this affects everything. On a budget in particular.
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      In China too

                      Yes, but this percentage is small as a percentage of production shares.
                      1. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 20: 48 New
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                        1) So people are convinced that almost no one knows. If the state wants to push something, it goes in a massive stream from each gap
                        2) Spit on the budget to receive money from state-owned companies or from private ones.
                        3) Why? There are a lot of resources mined in China. Even the same oil is more than half of Russian oil, and there is little oil in China. It's just that China itself consumes a lot of resources
                      2. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 20: 52 New
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                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        So people are convinced that almost no one knows.

                        They talk about this periodically.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Spit on the budget to receive money from state-owned companies or from private ones.

                        Budget do not care about the profit of state corporations? belay
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        There are a lot of resources mined in China.

                        On aluminum he is ahead of us. But not the point.
                      3. Blackmokona 12 March 2020 21: 11 New
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                        1) I did not notice.
                        2) Taxes from private corporations are much tastier
                        3) For many
                      4. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 21: 18 New
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                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Taxes from private corporations are much tastier

                        State corporations do not pay taxes? belay
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        ) For many

                        Once again, the share of raw materials in China is much less than production. But we went aside. The entire Chinese economy is several orders of magnitude more efficient than ours. And partly it is the merit of slowness in getting rid of state participation in the economy, and much greater efficiency of state corporations ..
                      5. CSKA 14 March 2020 10: 40 New
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        State corporations do not pay taxes?

                        Of course they pay.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        and much greater efficiency of state corporations ..

                        I wonder how you evaluate the effectiveness of a state corporation, by what criteria?
  • Alexey LK 13 March 2020 15: 36 New
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    Quote: olegfbi
    Of course, everything is much more complicated, but this is the main thing.

    And which of the main ones listed by you is missing now?
  • CSKA 14 March 2020 10: 35 New
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    Chinese economic development is based on the principles of economics introduced by I. Stalin

    ))))) Have you come up with? I don’t remember something that Stalin would create Special Economic Zones for investments, and it was Stalin who turned the NEP down.
  • EDWARD 12 March 2020 11: 27 New
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    "The Chinese" economic miracle ": can it be" copied "by Russia" - yes, it can be copied. if only to change our officials to Chinese.
    1. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 11: 28 New
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      Chinese “economic miracle”: can it be “copied” by Russia
      Chubais on the rope? it is unlikely ... and Sechin with Miller and Rottenberg, they will buy both the executioner and his relatives, and the city, and the region ...
      1. EDWARD 12 March 2020 11: 30 New
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        in addition to Chubais .. to shoot all of this "elite" thievesher-shooter. who are sitting leech on the body of Russia.
        1. rocket757 12 March 2020 11: 33 New
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          Tsudo and our people can create !!! and with their leaders it was ...
          1. EDWARD 12 March 2020 11: 34 New
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            during life, I would like to see it.
      2. EDWARD 12 March 2020 11: 36 New
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        agents of Chubais and Rotenberg minus)
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich 12 March 2020 11: 40 New
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          So for sure, and our "beloved", adherents of one party, in which "very honest."
    2. 210ox 12 March 2020 11: 40 New
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      "" They won’t give us this "... So we have to do it ourselves .. But the priorities of the current authorities of" ours "are a bit different. We urgently need to move away from the imposed liberal-parasitic image and model in politics and economics. Introduce tough laws, the strictest financial discipline ... Yes, what I ... dreams .. what
      1. rocket757 12 March 2020 11: 49 New
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        And to whom and when in our country it was easy .... the upper ones are immediately excluded from the list, and the rest had such or not easy life, being! However, there would be a worthy goal, you can, you can ......
    3. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 22 New
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      Too late to copy. Russia is on the path of deindustrialization. China is still industrializing through the transfer of labor from the countryside to the cities. Russia went this way in the period of the 30s - 50s. Now in China, 47% of the population in the village, and in Russia 13%
      1. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 21: 57 New
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        The percentage of rural population in the Russian Federation is higher, about a quarter of the population.
      2. CSKA 14 March 2020 10: 41 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Too late to copy. Russia is on the path of deindustrialization

        You should be in a standup with such jokes.
      3. Comrade Kim 16 March 2020 11: 27 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Too late to copy. Russia is on the path of deindustrialization. China is still industrializing through the transfer of labor from the countryside to the cities. Russia went this way in the period of the 30s - 50s. Now in China, 47% of the population in the village, and in Russia 13%

        Very important point!
        But second in importance.
        Having collapsed and dividing everything in the 90s, Russia passed the point of no return.
    4. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 24 New
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      And you, Edward, see in the political horizon of Russia a force (party or group) that can take power in hand and shoot the current leadership of the country? Personally, I do not observe such a force.
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        And you, Edward, see in the political horizon of Russia a force (party or group) that can take power in hand and shoot the current leadership of the country?

        So the calls for executions began.)))) It is time for the state to take on such people as you revalucioners.
        1. Aleksandr1971 15 March 2020 13: 10 New
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          I do not call for revolution. In our Russia, a violent overthrow of power is possible only after a heavy military defeat. I would not want that. But the power somehow needs to be changed
    5. aybolyt678 12 March 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: EDWARD
      if only to change our officials to Chinese.

      But will it be Russia?
  • YOUR 12 March 2020 12: 35 New
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    They shoot down corrupt officials, we have senior officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and ending with the Duma sitting
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      Quote: YOUR
      They shoot down corrupt officials, we have senior officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and ending with the Duma sitting

      And ready to shoot us! Like the House of Soviets
      1. YOUR 12 March 2020 14: 06 New
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        Somehow not funny.
  • maidan.izrailovich 12 March 2020 13: 39 New
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    You don’t even have to sniff !!!

    What was created by the Soviet people in the first five years, China nervously smokes on the sidelines.
    1. rocket757 12 March 2020 13: 59 New
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      There were experts from abroad and the equipment was mainly imported! But it was not guest workers who built it, and our future leaders of large Soviet industry LEADED and LEARNED at the same time.
      1. Reptiloid 12 March 2020 16: 03 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        There were experts from abroad and the equipment was mainly imported! But it was not guest workers who built it, and our future leaders of large Soviet industry LEADED and LEARNED at the same time.

        That's it, Victor !!! +++ All this was despite the fact that people did not eat their fill then. We won in Civil, carried out construction, industrialization! A huge number of people came to the cities! Studied, worked, wanted to study and work for the good of the country. This is not recalled at all. That was a miracle.
        Also, the restoration of the economy of the USSR after the Second World War. Indeed, in 1961, Gagarin!
        That's what you need to focus on
        1. rocket757 12 March 2020 19: 25 New
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          Hi Dmitry soldier soldier
          Without comprehensible goals, without comprehensible leaders, a country cannot go normally at all .... that we are now observing, because there is no desire to participate in this.
          1. Reptiloid 12 March 2020 19: 37 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            Hi Dmitry soldier soldier
            Without comprehensible goals, without comprehensible leaders, a country cannot go normally at all .... that we are now observing, because there is no desire to participate in this.

            Yes, it is, Victor hi hi Then there were goals --- to survive in the war, because they knew ((what it will be,)) to provide children with a better life, because many remembered life under the tsar. Or after the war ---- too, the goals are clear to everyone.
            And now, ? What are the specific goals? Clear and necessary for everyone?
            1. rocket757 12 March 2020 20: 06 New
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              There are different goals ... but there are not many unifying in them ... or are we becoming so unifying ??? Together we do not want / can get together.
              1. Reptiloid 12 March 2020 21: 07 New
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                If under socialism there were understandable slogans, now right away one cannot recall any strong ones. All are remembered some or incorrectly made or not at all far-sighted.
                Only something general, concrete can unite.
                Quote: rocket757
                There are different goals ... but there are not many unifying in them ... or are we becoming so unifying ??? Together we do not want / can get together.
            2. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 22: 01 New
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              My two grandfathers, participants in the war, one of them a member of the party, liked to talk about a good life in the village in recent years of the NEP, before collectivization.
              1. Reptiloid 12 March 2020 22: 13 New
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                I think this is not surprising. After all, in the 90s, someone was able to come up with something unusual, found a new specialty and due to this survived the most difficult time. Something like this happened with my relatives. But after 98th the situation changed, somehow there were fewer options.
  • iouris 12 March 2020 19: 07 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    you have to go with your juche.

    For the country to have an “economic miracle”, the country needs a population of at least 250-300 million people. Output?
    1. rocket757 12 March 2020 19: 21 New
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      What is needed is not a simple question.
      But what is not needed, it’s clear .... such “helmsmen” that we now rule on the top ... they clearly do not rule there!
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 12 March 2020 11: 00 New
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    Not when, our workers, will not work like Chinese workers, I know from personal experience, constant nagging, and they are always not happy with everything.
    1. Slavs 12 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov
      our workers will not work

      Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov
      I know from personal experience

      What is your working experience today?
      1. Andrey Mikhaylov 12 March 2020 11: 41 New
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        At least a day he worked at the installation
      2. Ravil_Asnafovich 12 March 2020 11: 42 New
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        I won’t answer for Andrei, as well as 30 years, v / sl.
    2. kepmor 12 March 2020 11: 25 New
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      Sly, my dear ...
      where real money is paid for real work, they don’t “whine” and don’t wander off ... and everything is OK with labor productivity ... and they hold on to their teeth ... first you need to create conditions for efficient labor, and only then devidents count ... we have everything on the way ... this is also from personal experience ...
      1. Andrey Mikhaylov 12 March 2020 11: 40 New
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        You are cunning. The Chinese have a ton of metal installation of 7500 tons of tons, the local brigade has 12000 rubles a ton, the salaries of the Chinese began at 90, ours and 70 rarely exceeded, sit down to smoke, talk, phone rummage around, and then where is my salary.
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        Please note, some conditions on one of the objects,
    3. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 11: 31 New
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      Quote: Andrey Mikhaylov
      Not when, our workers, will not work like Chinese workers, I know from personal experience, constant nagging, and they are always not happy with everything.

      salary, and "lines" on the floor like in a camp? Well yes ... not happy. Do you need silent slaves? and still a lie.
      1. Andrey Mikhaylov 12 March 2020 11: 42 New
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        You are cunning. The Chinese have a ton of metal installation of 7500 tons of tons, the local brigade has 12000 rubles a ton, the salaries of the Chinese began at 90, ours and 70 rarely exceeded, sit down to smoke, talk, phone rummage around, and then where is my salary.
  • Strashila 12 March 2020 11: 04 New
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    That the Chinese, that the South Korean miracles have one basis, dictatorship.
    Russia didn’t need miracles, but simply didn’t have to artificially destroy its economy with a cry of “market”;
    Now we have to make sure of the correctness of building a full-cycle production economy in the days of the USSR.
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    2. BOR-5 12 March 2020 11: 40 New
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      Well, South Korea’s economic “miracle” has a different principle.
      There were huge injections of money and equipment from Japan to large industrial corporations. And also a reduction in duties for large markets (like the USA).
      The Chinese economy has a plan in the first place. And the construction of factories and enterprises in the first place for the interests of their people.
      That's it.
      1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 11: 57 New
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        Not only the Chinese dabbled in plans. In India since the 60s. plans. Plans and most countries in Africa. Only here the results are not Chinese
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          Well, in Vietnam or Cuba, this did not stop creating an industry from scratch. So the point here is not only in the plan, but in the desire of the government that made up this plan. Now large companies (Tesla for example) are working according to plan. And show good results.
      2. Strashila 12 March 2020 12: 42 New
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        behind South Korean stands a simple dictatorship, when those responsible for a particular segment of the economy were appointed, try not to fulfill it.
        a Japanese miracle, two wars, Korean and Vietnamese, when the Americans launched production on the islands so as not to drag military products from the mainland.
        1. BOR-5 12 March 2020 13: 39 New
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          Well, in South Korea, everything was fine until the end of the 80s. Even the GDP graph is a clear confirmation. And no government could arrange anything there. But then they started injecting money - and everything is fine, even it became better for citizens to live.
          By the way, North Korea’s GDP was 10 times more. In the 70s.
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        The Chinese economy has a plan in the first place. And the construction of factories and enterprises in the first place for the interests of their people.


        Where did the poor at the time of the PRC come from with money and technology to build infrastructure. I have here a more plausible version of this miracle, the Rothschilds money and the opening of the US and Europe markets for China, if it had not been for any Chinese miracle, had you been Communists at least three times.
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          Allied assistance to communist China. For example, the FAW plant (the first Chinese automobile plant) was created with the assistance of ZiL workers, and the internship took place in Moscow. Licensed domestic trucks.
          And no Rothschilds, excuse me.
          1. krops777 12 March 2020 17: 11 New
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            Allied assistance to communist China. For example, the FAW plant (the first Chinese automobile plant) was created with the assistance of ZiL workers, and the internship took place in Moscow. Licensed domestic trucks.
            And no Rothschilds, excuse me.


            One and even a hundred factories will not be enough, such an acceleration in development as the PRC without money and technology, I do not believe in miracles. The information is of course scarce, given the closeness of both of them, but the arrival of Rhodeschild in 1972 in the PRC and almost immediately the opening of the US and European markets is a fact. Cuba, by the way, is an example of neither money nor technology.
      4. iouris 12 March 2020 20: 41 New
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        Quote: BOR-5
        South Korea’s economic “miracle” has a different principle

        Well yes. But the Russian Federation is not South Korea.
    3. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 11: 56 New
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      Dictatorship can help economic growth. But it may interfere. For example, out of 53 countries in Africa, 50 have a dictatorship (with the exception of South Africa, Namibia and Mauritius, by the way quite wealthy countries). Well, where are the economic records in Africa?
      1. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 22: 06 New
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        Your numbers are incorrect today. Formally, in most African countries (as it were) democratic multi-party regimes
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          Exactly what is formal. I will not even waste time analyzing the essence of the political regimes of 50 African countries because this is off topic. Formally, the Stalinist USSR was a country with an elected power and without the leading role of the CPSU (which was recorded in the Constitution only under Brezhnev). After all, we, Sergej1972, are talking on the basis of the merits.
          And the essence is that in some cases really dictatorships, which can be counted on the fingers, have contributed to economic growth. But do not count the dictatorships for 4000 years of human history, which rather hindered this growth.
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            One cannot disagree with this.
  • Vladimir_2U 12 March 2020 11: 07 New
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    In fact, China performed the “economic miracle” with its mind and colossal work, but with the money and technology of others
    Unfortunately, our current government is dragging into the country the worst of world practice or some kind of witty fake whistles. As rightly noted, the Russian authorities want control over the Internet in China, but for some reason they do not want executions of stolen dignitaries, like in China.
  • hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    Who will let Russia sell their goods in the United States?
    1. Vladimir_2U 12 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      Who will let Russia sell their goods in the United States?

      You’ll laugh, but NASA is still buying something from Russia. )))
      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 11: 29 New
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        they still received nuclear fuel for free.
        But is that how much money?
        1. Vladimir_2U 12 March 2020 11: 37 New
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          Weapon-grade plutonium is not fuel, and the Americans could not master it, everything in general was very difficult.
          1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 12: 03 New
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            They just took him to themselves? Charity?
    2. Hagalaz 12 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      You would fill your market with your own goods, that would be the case. And you immediately swung to the US market.
      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 11: 28 New
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        I explained the economic miracle of China. Chinese goods can not afford ordinary Chinese.
        1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 03 New
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          Ordinary Chinese people buy Chinese goods precisely because something needs to be bought (not to be fed with air or to dress in the air), and imported products are more expensive. Chinese middle and upper classes take imports for status, for example, cars, iPhones, and so on.
          1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 12: 05 New
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            If the United States stops buying goods from China, the Chinese miracle will be blown away.
        2. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 12: 29 New
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          I explained the economic miracle of China. Chinese goods can not afford ordinary Chinese.


          Oh how ...
          And whose goods are the Chinese buying then, if they cannot afford their Chinese?
          1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 12: 56 New
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            their own, but very few, and the cheapest. You can afford a computer they don’t. Only a cheap smartphone
            1. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 15: 30 New
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              their own, but very few, and the cheapest. You can afford a computer they don’t. Only a cheap smartphone


              How strange you say ...
              As a result of the previous service, I regularly talked with people from Chinese computer companies, including about their families, their childhood, etc.
              I haven’t heard of any particular poverty.
              Everything is the same as ours.
              1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 15: 35 New
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                Take a trip to the village, where 70% of the lard lives. Ordinary merchants and street hairdressers, other Chinese exotic, which is a game for us.
                You talk like five blind old men studying elephants from different sides.))))) One-sided.
                1. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 21: 47 New
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                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  Take a trip to the village, where 70% of the lard lives. Ordinary merchants and street hairdressers, other Chinese exotic, which is a game for us.
                  You talk like five blind old men studying elephants from different sides.))))) One-sided.


                  I really do not need to blame one-sidedness.
                  All my life I work in positions requiring comprehensive analysis.
                  And now too.

                  Do you really think so. that I didn’t ask where these Chinese came from and how they live. what do the townspeople live with, what do the villages live with

                  A Chinese man becomes very talkative after 2 cocktails, and after 4, if he continues and does not run away and if he does not fall, he will tell you everything ...
                  And the companies were: Nvidia, Biostar, Asustec, Pegatron, Lenovo, Acer - and many others.
                  About once or twice a month I went to all kinds of dealer conferences with vendors.
                  Who in the subject - he understands the level at which this happens ...
                  And accordingly, I then held the corresponding position, since the vendors paid me completely all my trip from Samara to Taiwan or Shanghai with flights, meals, accommodation, etc. etc. Full all-in ...
                  1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 22: 01 New
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                    Comrade Analyst, in Kitay 100% of the population works for "Nvidia, Biostar, Asustec, Pegatron, Lenovo, Acer - and many others." Does everyone have an iPhone in the village? Process your garden.
                    "Full all-in .." - walked through the streets chatting with people? My Chinese is not very good at speaking, but I always talk with people. The people can see how richly he lives.
                2. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 22: 10 New
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                  Already more than half of Chinese people live in cities, and the percentage of the rural population is constantly decreasing.
                  1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 22: 15 New
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                    When the factories leave for the USA, what will this population do? What money will it eat?
    3. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 01 New
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      In Russia, production costs are higher than in China and Southeast Asia. Therefore, we can’t sell anything except raw materials and old Soviet developments in the field of missiles and weapons
      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 12: 04 New
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        40% of aircraft were sold during Soviet times. Today, how many percent are our harvesters?
        1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 12: 23 New
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          If you mean civilian aircraft, then we did not sell them, but we sucked in our vassals. Often on credit. Irrevocable. In no developed country have the products of our civil aviation industry been in demand, due to lack of competitiveness.
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            Who will let into their market?
            Airplanes were inexpensive and of high quality. They would still be used in Europe if they were not forced to buy new ones.
            The myth of the badness of Soviet products is a myth.
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              Who will let into their market?
              Airplanes were inexpensive and of high quality. They would still be used in Europe if they were not forced to buy new ones.
              The myth of the badness of Soviet products is a myth.


              Myths about the quality of our products are written only by those who have never used it, or who have a short memory ...

              When a repairman was called on the TV every three months, the repairman was a very respected and moody figure.
              When there was a whole team of repairmen in the workshop for 50 machines, and now there are only two of them ...
              And so it was in everything.
              When every driver is required to know the device of the car and to carry out any type of repair in the field, because it was a vital necessity, and now there are people with experience who, during 10 years of operation, have never even except regular maintenance (repair is not MOT) - and do not even know that they have under the hood and where is the fuse box. Not only that, I have a car that has covered 8 thousand kilometers in 220 months. With 4 drivers on schedule. And did not break. Probably imported. And our UAZ cars (fresh in 2019, just from the USSR) each month cost me 60 thousand a month to keep him alive ....

              And so in everything.

              And our planes there were never needed just for one reason.
              Not a single Soviet and Russian enterprise (which hails from the Soviet Union) is capable of providing spare parts logistics so that any breakdown is minimal for the customer.
              Minimal - this is no more than 2-3 hours at any airport in the world.
              Any spare part right up to the engine.
              The aircraft should fly from 8 to 16 hours a day.
              Therefore, Sukhoi SuperJet failed.
              The plane may be good, but the bosses are bad.

              You can say about "effective managers", but these are not managers.
              These are former engineers who climbed the career ladder.
              But they did not become managers from this.
              If it were really managers, then the effect would be.
              The real manager leaves the computer company IBM in the military Lockheed - and pulls her out of the crisis. From automotive to shipbuilding. And just fine.
              1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 16: 09 New
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                Do you use foreign cars today? How often is it being repaired?
                I have a washer from the 90s, so it works, and the new ones do not work for more than 4 years.))))

                You didn’t mess up? The supreget did not in the USSR, but in the capitalist RF.
                You tell the passengers of two Boeing about the quality of imported aircraft because of which they are now sitting on the ground, of high quality.
                Effective managers staged a crisis of 2008, and today its continuation.))))
                What scoops are you funny))))) Really I was the same idiot?
                1. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 16: 27 New
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                  [quote = hhhhhhh] Do you use foreign cars today? How often is a repair?
                  [/ Quote]

                  I have 160 cars now.
                  30 foreign cars: Highlaks, L200, PajeroSport3, UAZ Patriot, Chevrolet Niva.
                  All cars 2018-2019 years of release.
                  They work in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug / Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Sverdlovsk Region.

                  The average cost of maintaining and maintaining a working condition at UAZs is 100 rubles per hour.
                  This is with an average monthly mileage of 12 thousand kilometers.
                  The car worked for 600 hours in a month - here you get about 60 thousand for repairs and maintenance in working condition 2-3 times a month it has to be driven into the service.
                  Those. approximately 700-800 thousand per year excluding fuel.

                  I have mitsubans that repair 3 times a year, costs about 120-150 thousand rubles - but for the same year.
                  For fuel, foreign cars give 2700 rubles of savings per thousand kilometers.
                  There are cars that have covered 8 thousand kilometers in 220 months.
                  Another 600 thousand savings. For 8 months.
                  So feel the difference.
                  [/ Quote]

                  [quote = hhhhhhh]
                  I have a washer from the 90s, so it works, and the new ones do not work for more than 4 years.))))
                  [/ Quote]

                  I also have a Virpul washing machine for 20 years already working and not breaking. Mom has 8 years, in the country 10 years. I change not by breakage, but by design, size, yellowing of the panels. But do not break.


                  [quote = hhhhhhh]
                  You didn’t mess up? The supreget did not in the USSR, but in the capitalist RF.
                  You tell the passengers of two Boeing about the quality of imported aircraft because of which they are now sitting on the ground, of high quality.
                  Effective managers staged a crisis of 2008, and today its continuation.))))
                  What scoops are you funny))))) Surely I was the same idiot? [/ Quote]


                  Something you have written a nonsense set.
                  1. Superjet is a project of managers and engineers of the Soviet school. Which do not understand anything in logistics in marketing, in management.
                  They were able to make an airplane project, but none of them even thought about sales support, spare parts logistics, marketing and promotion.
                  Because they were from the Soviet Union, where no one had ever done such things in principle. Is that Gosplan globally, but not targeted ...

                  2. How many of these new Boeing 2 crashed? How many ordered them? 3000?
                  And the ratio of Dry, crashed to ordered?
                  See the difference?
                  Now the software will be corrected and again Boeings will scatter around the world in thousands, and there will be no Sukhoi and more than 2 dozen more.
                  Do you understand that?

                  3. About the crisis of 2008 ... Where did you get such nonsense from, what managers created the crisis of 2008? Do you even understand what the crisis of 2008 was like, at least once did you read the correct literature on this subject?
                  1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 16: 30 New
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                    ))))) I made fun))))
                    The funniest crisis of 2008, tell me. What was the crisis of 2008 for?
                    Gosplan is it bad? Under capitalism, planning is prohibited?))) Who plans that loser?
                    1. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 20: 49 New
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                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      ))))) I made fun))))
                      The funniest crisis of 2008, tell me. What was the crisis of 2008 for?
                      Gosplan is it bad? Under capitalism, planning is prohibited?))) Who plans that loser?


                      Well, laugh on ...
                      The crisis of 2008 is a very serious topic - you apparently have not been given a chance to understand over the past 12 years.

                      The Gosplan is generally good; countrywide planning is good. But here is the distribution within the regions - no one was involved.

                      And so it turned out that one collective farm received several boxes of spare bearings for those mechanisms that he had one, or even not at all in principle.
                      And the others did not get anything - they were forgotten about them.

                      I remember very well how it all happened.

                      And with the food supply.
                      Kuibyshev was a really hungry city.
                      Coupons for sugar, butter, sausage, vodka - we appeared almost the first.
                      A fish shop called a dolphin, huge - and there were only 2 items of canned food in it: seaweed and whale meat. Then the meat was gone - there was only one seaweed.

                      For hours I stood in lines for coupons for sausage, butter, sugar, condensed milk ...

                      It was an excellent gosplan.
                      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 20: 56 New
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                        First, the bearings were sent to the Baltic states, then Georgia and Ukraine, then to the rest of the republics, and what remains for the Russians. Now the Chukhons say how they worked in the USSR and sent everything to Moscow, and you stood behind the condensed milk.)))))
                        Coupons appeared in 1989, this is not the USSR. And they specifically kept the products so that the people would rebel. For a long time, the organizers boasted about it.
                        This is not the result of planning, but the result of sabotage.

                        2008 continuation of the crisis of 1971 The crisis of capitalism about which Adam Smith spoke, and Marx mused, what will happen at the end of capitalism. So we'll see.)))) From the first rows.
                      2. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 21: 38 New
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                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        First, the bearings were sent to the Baltic states, then Georgia and Ukraine, then to the rest of the republics, and what remains for the Russians. Now the Chukhons say how they worked in the USSR and sent everything to Moscow, and you stood behind the condensed milk.)))))
                        Coupons appeared in 1989, this is not the USSR. And they specifically kept the products so that the people would rebel. For a long time, the organizers boasted about it.
                        This is not the result of planning, but the result of sabotage.

                        2008 continuation of the crisis of 1971 The crisis of capitalism about which Adam Smith spoke, and Marx mused, what will happen at the end of capitalism. So we'll see.)))) From the first rows.


                        Listen, Wikipedist, well, you generally merged in ignorance of the materiel ...

                        In Kuibyshev, coupons appeared around 82-83.
                        When I came after school, a neighbor came down to me from the 4th floor, whose only entrance was a telephone, and whom my mother called from work with a request to tell me that they brought sausage / sugar in such a store, etc. d. and that I had to run to this store and stand in line and either wait for my mom or buy it myself (which will be faster).
                        And I really wanted to run hockey with my friends after school ...
                        But I had to go and stand in line.

                        And I perfectly remembered it, because there are stages in a young life.
                        And you remember the surroundings of this life and the surrounding moments.
                        First girl for example. and 14 years old, and this is 85 years old.
                        I began to live independently from the age of 16, i.e. since 87 years old.
                        When I was already in the power of youth, I no longer bother with food stamps.
                        so I remember very well when food coupons appeared in Kuibyshev.


                        2008 Chrisis is a crisis of withdrawing money from investors. This is the US government policy for taking money around the world and growing its economy.
                        Recently, China has done exactly the same with its residents - the stock exchange crisis in China. which was a few years ago.
                        Absolutely in the same way.
                      3. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 21: 43 New
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                        "2008, Chrisis is a crisis of withdrawing money from investors" - you are incompetent. There is nothing to talk about with you.
                        I served with a kid from Kuybyshev 86-89 and he didn’t talk about coupons, and when I returned, I immediately received the first coupon for sugar in the hostel.
                        You are an inventor. Tell the owners to be more precise.))))) Get enough sleep on the little things.
                      4. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 22: 05 New
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                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        "2008, Chrisis is a crisis of withdrawing money from investors" - you are incompetent. There is nothing to talk about with you.
                        I served with a kid from Kuybyshev 86-89 and he didn’t talk about coupons, and when I returned, I immediately received the first coupon for sugar in the hostel.
                        You are an inventor. Tell the owners to be more precise.))))) Get enough sleep on the little things.


                        You served, and I lived here ...
                        and live all my life.

                        Where did you serve it with him? What area is the kid from? Whose air did he breathe? Who is Panic What is Shanghai? What is Naba?
                        what did he tell you? What areas fought among themselves?
                        Who was he?
                        Komsomo or what?
                        But now I’ll divorce you like a hot-water bottle on what and how ...
                        Where did you get with this kid from Kuibyshev?
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                        Squinted from the army means. Damaged or what?
                        What do you have against Komsomol members? Maybe you and May 9 is not Victory Day?
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                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Squinted from the army means. Damaged or what?
                        What do you have against Komsomol members? Maybe you and May 9 is not Victory Day?


                        I have been a Komsomol member since I was 14 years old. - as it should be.
                        Moreover, he stood near the Eternal Flame in the Square of Glory.
                        and even could become a Party Member at the age of 17 ... They called, but did not become young, smart people from the same party committee said to wait until they returned from the army ...

                        And what does it mean to mow down from the army?
                        Where did you see it?
                        And do not poke around on May 9 ...
                        For me, May 9 - a holy day - my grandfather died in Oberwart (Austria) in the last week of the war!
                        He went through the whole war, and in a funeral, he died from April 27 to May 2, 1945 ...

                        write your contact in PM (I’ll come where necessary), I’ll contact you directly to clarify for the complaint about the death of my grandfather ...
                2. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 21: 48 New
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                  They seized money from investors, brought down the market in order to give out trillions of money to banks.
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                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  They seized money from investors, brought down the market in order to give out trillions of money to banks.


                  Oh you and weak in terms of development ..
                  The derivatives market created with the tacit support of the Fed at a certain point reached the figure of 600 trillion dollars. The very dollars for which it was possible to demand American and not only goods. and other Goodies.
                  At that time, all US GDP did not exceed $ 70 trillion.
                  And in order not to bring down the American bubble economy, a scheme was developed with derivatives of the second, third, and fourth levels.
                  Which subsequently collapsed. And America suffered only 10%; Europe by 40%, and the rest of the country by 50%.
                  Of these 600 fictitious trillions, about 20 trillion were actually invested in construction and in enterprises.
                  And the American government gave banks about 6 trillion, which subsequently returned - the total profit of America is this:
                  14 trillion real sectors in the black.
                  almost 600 trillion was withdrawn from the circulation market, which increased the value of the dollar.

                  All third-party global stocks, which were subsequently bought by American investment funds at a bargain price and subsequently earned another 5-7 trillion dollars, were devalued.

                  Many countries, indeed with development potential, have been abandoned in development for 30-40 years, and most of them are forever. for the sixth technological order - they will never stretch ...
                  And our country is among them.

                  The euro was almost killed.
                  If in 2007 the euro was estimated at 50% more expensive than the dollar, then in 2009 the euro began to cost 12% more expensive than the dollar.
                  The European economy has been very “repaid”.

                  This is how it actually sounds - the “American crisis” has to be blinked twice with your fingers ...
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                  Where did you get such nonsense?))))))) The sixth technological order has become entangled))))
                  The US national debt did not decrease, but increased and continues.
                  Derebrovaty not yet brought down. But you will see it soon.))))
                5. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 22: 37 New
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                  Where did you get such nonsense?))))))) The sixth technological order has become entangled))))
                  The US national debt did not decrease, but increased and continues.
                  Derebrovaty not yet brought down. But you will see it soon.))))


                  Don’t know ...
                  I also have an MBA ...

                  Strange huh?
                  Dude with an MBA and hundreds of cars for ten years on Topvar ...
                  And all because sometime in the beginning of the 80s I had one relative, Lieutenant General from Solnechnogorsk, who gave me a subscription to 2 honest magazines. He called them honest.
                  These were:
                  Foreign Military Review
                  Marine Collection.
                  Unlike you, corrupt earliest people who are not at all from this world, who are daughters of Crimean officers, I wrote these magazines for many, many years.
                  Before my eyes there were real analytical reviews admitted to the general press, captains of the 1st rank, major general. Not these modern news makers who have "no equal in the world" - a mandatory term ...
                  And real and clear guys who laid out everything on the shelves.

                  I worked with TsSKB Progress, Motor builder, Metalworker, Kuznetsov.
                  I know all the chips from the inside.
                  And if in my country such an attitude towards those who want to improve defense and reduce costs - they will not pay him a 30% rollback plus they will not be paid the remaining money for 4 years.

                  Plus come up with schemes with target accounts.
                  He worked with government orders. And for the enterprises of the defense industry and military-industrial complex, and for the Russian Guard and all licenses are ..
                  But I will not lick an ass - civilian orders - and more profitable, because there are less kickbacks.
                  And more reliable - - because of the enterprise of the military-industrial complex; waiting for my money - 4 years ...
                  Although he was obligated within 30 days after the act of acceptance.
                  And most importantly.
                  There are such concepts as target accounts.
                  It seems that everything is correct - the customer controls the costs of the supplier for specific orders.
                  But what's the trouble.
                  I have to spend a lot of my money before the customer starts paying me.
                  For he has a postpay.
                  And in the end, I spent 8 million of my money from a regular account.
                  After 2 years, after the end of the contract, the customer transfers the remaining amount to me.
                  the same 8 million.
                  Which I can’t pick up due to the expiration of the contract.
                  Fiasco. bro!
                  Those. I spent my money from a Sberbank account, and VTB has not allowed me to use my money for 5 years, just because. that the contract has ended.
                  Those. according to our state, I invested in advance, and no one will return my investments to me after the contract expires, although the last payment under the contract must be a month after the contract expires ....


                  The US national debt will not decrease.
                  In principle, it will not.
                  And there is a chance that by the second term of Trump - he will reach $ 100 trillion.
                  But this isn’t scary to America - there is an economic model in which countries work with a public debt that is double the GDP. And no one reflects on this matter, except for the idiots on Topvar ...

                  Derivatives - have already done their job - brought about $ 30 trillion to the US economy simply by robbing everyone else, and throwing them 2-3-10 steps lower ...
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                  MBA is the old trade school.)))
                  You are a dreamer living in Khrushchev)))))
                  "VTB does not allow me to use my money for 5 years already" - a masterpiece crap))))
                  Chat with yourself.)))
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                  MBA is the old trade school.)))
                  You are a dreamer living in Khrushchev)))))
                  "VTB does not allow me to use my money for 5 years already" - a masterpiece crap))))
                  Chat with yourself.)))


                  Krasava ...
                  Merged like an ordinary person interfering with society ...

                  I do not live in Hrushevka ...

                  and never lived there.
                  As a child, I lived in a stalinka with a ceiling of 3.3m.

                  For you don’t even understand what I wrote about, what houses were and are there ...


                  Arguments from you. as I understand it, there will not be and will not be, and you didn’t have a friend in the army in fact, and everything that you presented to me during the play - everything disappeared somewhere ...

                  You bullshit, not a man ...
                  Truffaldino are you ...

                  And yes, about the technical school of trade, you really bent it ...
                  Only now salaries with a technical school are cheap, and with MBA they start from 200 tyrov ...
                  But you continue about the technical school of commerce ... Remember the miniatures of Khazanov ...
                  Maybe you know about this? Although it is clear that you hastily-corrupt and never lived in the Soviet Union ... Just a corrupt scribbler, writing here for grandmas ...

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    Who will let Russia sell their goods in the United States?

    In the USA our cartridges are sold in millions. The goods of the Kalashnikov concern are also being sold, also in hundreds of thousands. In the same building with me is a company that imports in the USA sights, both infrared and conventional, as well as just nightlights. Anyone can enter the US market if they have quality products.
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    To begin with, the Chinese repeated the successes of Soviet Industrialization. We carefully studied the experience of that era. And do not hide it, by the way.
    Want to repeat the Chinese economic miracle? First, find ideological communists, not the petty-bourgeois rabble that the Communist Party calls.
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      There was no collectivization.
      Industrialization took place not at the expense of domestic money, but at the expense of external debts.
      The Communist Party of the Russian Federation — it’s high time for a trial to take off their right to be called successors of the Bolsheviks.
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      How could an ideological communist tolerate private ownership of the means of production, have not thought? And not small, but large property. From the Communist in the CCP, only the name remains. And so - yes: if you want to repeat the "economic miracle" of North Korea or Cuba - find ideological communists. The rise of the Chinese economy is the result of a transition to a market economy, which without private ownership of the means of production is simply impossible.
      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 12: 54 New
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        In Cuba, the best medicine. North Korea missiles can launch. South Korea breaks all suicide records from stress at work.
        In China there is no socialism, you correctly noticed it.))))
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          In Cuba, the average salary is 30 evergreens. In the DPRK, even less. Basic food products - by card. But socialism.
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            But the people are happy, dancing every day. Cigars on cards every month that you can not afford.
            How do you live on microloans? When is everyone ready to rob you? Happily?
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              Smoking is generally unhealthy. I don’t smoke myself and don’t advise others - then we are surprised at the life expectancy of our men. What are microloans? Any loan is a tool that you must be able to use. How to be happy with coupons - I won’t know when antediluvian Zhigul is an unrealizable dream. I was in Cuba, relaxing - a heartbreaking sight.
              1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 13: 38 New
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                You directly tell me the horrors of socialism))))
                I have been to Europe, a heartbreaking sight, far from tourists. Black seen in Rome, Paris? Square Addicts in Cologne?
                You will soon find out about microloans when America ceases to pay you for a lie.))))
                1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 13: 56 New
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                  Socialism, classic, horror in itself. French or Italians queue for groceries? Riding on the car trash half a century ago? Do not have basic household appliances? Where socialism is poverty.
                  1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 14: 18 New
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                    ))))) Funny)))) I lived in the USSR, you do not tell me fairy tales.)))
                    This is where homeless children lived in the USSR? There were none. Each child had a home and went to school. To a good school, then college.
                    In the USA, always and how much you want homeless children. Look at wikipedia.
                    Capitalism is real poverty.
                    in the courtyard of the 21st century, and not 1980, stop lying about the horrors of the USSR.
                    1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 14: 21 New
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                      Drive at leisure to Finku, and there you will see what real capitalism looks like. The union before such buns was like before Beijing cancer.
                      I also lived in the USSR, I was released in 1963. And stop repeating the postulates of Soviet propaganda.
                      1. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 14: 27 New
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                        It’s wonderful for the finals to live at the expense of Russia, you go to real capitalism. Paris, Rome, Berlin, USA. Take a trip to Detroit.))))
                        The Finns completely copied the Soviet education system, and we rejoiced when it was demolished.
                        You ask modern youth from us and in the EU what a perimeter or sepal is. Surprised, no one knows.
                        You are not shopping in Finnish where the Russians are driven, and ask the locals how they live, what they have enough money for, and what not.
                        You are funny scoops))))) I was like that too))))
                      2. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 15: 35 New
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                        My cousin lives in Fink. He lives well. Do not believe it - everyone lives there well. And money is never enough for anyone, the more money, the higher the Wishlist.
                        Wages and conditions are better there. Social sphere is one of the best in the world. Running a business is much easier than ours. This is capitalism.
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                        Why then do we live poorly under capitalism?
                        Romanians, Bulgarians, Portuguese, Baltic states generally escaped from their Baltic states)))
                        He lives well due to Soviet education.
                        "Social sphere is one of the best in the world." - Was it worse than socialist in the USSR?
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                        Because in Russia there is no capitalism. Country of victorious bureaucracy. Here China is building capitalism, taking into account the mistakes of others and avoiding excesses. And he's doing pretty well.
                        The social sphere in the USSR was more than average, even in comparison with the countries of "people's democracy" - the GDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary. And to compare with developed countries, especially the Scandinavian, it is not worth it at all.
                      5. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 15: 50 New
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                        )))))) In Russia there is no private property? There are no loans in Russia? Is there no unemployment in Russia? There are no homeless people in Russia? There are no embezzlers in Russia? There is no bureaucracy in Russia (Do you try to sue the USA or the EU, a fun quest)?
                        What do we have from capitalism? Capitalism is for the rich, the rest work for soldering. Yellow vests asked what in France? What we had in the USSR, and we about ....
                        Capitalism in Russia. Learn at last.
                      6. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 15: 58 New
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                        For soldering, we worked in the USSR, more precisely for money, for which nothing sensible could be bought. Private enterprise, unfortunately, has been persecuted, empty counters as a result. Can you tell me why there were exit visas in the USSR? So that people do not run en masse, right?
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                        Not me topic. Capitalism in Russia or socialism 30 years?

                        What is there to watch? I have not seen anything interesting in Europe. I really like China, but it's just different.
                        How many percent go abroad? You need to go abroad only to those who steal well.
                        In the USSR, education was, medicine, travel around the country, pioneer camps. The elders managed to ride. The younger was left with nothing. For that kind of money, it’s cheaper today for the whole family to go abroad for a month, and not just one child to the camp for 10 days.
                        In the USSR there was a pension. I will have pensions, rightly so.
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                        And you wait four hours, and sometimes more, in line at the Russian-Finnish border crossing, in Torfyanovka or Brusnichny. Yeah, there all the thieves' color, apparently gathered.
                        Who is stopping you from traveling around Russia now? Railway prices are proportional to Soviet, in relation to salary, I am silent about the availability of a personal car.
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                        Never proportional.
                        I'm on a scholarship of 40 rubles a lot of things I could imagine where to go. What can students do today?
                        Do people go to Finland to travel, to look at foreign life from the train window or buy cheaper ones?
                        Capitalism in the yard. The global crisis begins, soon no one will go anywhere.
                      10. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 16: 30 New
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                        Students, if there is a head on their shoulders, now earn much higher than the national average. Young people are able to spin much better than our generation.
                        As for proportionality: the ticket for the coupe is Peter Moscow, the chervonets cost. That is one twentieth of the salary of a skilled worker. Now from 1,5 to 3 thousand rubles, an average of 2. Again, 1/20 of the salary.
                        Plane. Leningrad - Vladivostok.
                        122 rubles - the salary of a young engineer. Now 20-30 thousand rubles. Again, the salary of a beginner ITR. In city transport yes - has risen in price.
                      11. hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 16: 33 New
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                        ))) It's funny to talk with scoops.))))
                        30 years of capitalism robbed him, but he is still waiting for capitalism.))))
                        Why did you decide that capitalism is good? Capitalism muddied up two world wars, helped the Nazis, dropped atomic bombs on peaceful cities, and now it helps terrorists and fascists.
                        Why do you believe in the goodness of capitalism?
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                        Who robbed me there? Under the Union, I had only a tattered Zhigulenok in my possession, otherwise I had a goal like a falcon, even the living space did not belong to me. And for his entrepreneurial activity he would have sat under Article 153 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.
                        "Left hammer - right sickle
                        This is our Soviet coat of arms
                        Do you want life, and do you want kui
                        Anyway, you get ... the order :)
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                        Why did you decide that today I as an employer should pay you more than you have enough for food? pesionka different to pay. Even if you die of hunger, not my problem. Capitalism.
                        I do not like capitalism Wali in North Korea.)))
                        cool about 153))))) It's like every Banderas has an Ukrainian Cossack in his ancestors.))))
                2. SovAr238A 12 March 2020 20: 58 New
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                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  Never proportional.
                  I'm on a scholarship of 40 rubles a lot of things I could imagine where to go. What can students do today?
                  Do people go to Finland to travel, to look at foreign life from the train window or buy cheaper ones?
                  Capitalism in the yard. The global crisis begins, soon no one will go anywhere.


                  You couldn’t do anything for a scholarship of 40 rubles.

                  If only your parents brought you meat / potatoes / lard in bags and you cut from the rest of the students.
                  They bought clothes and shoes for you.
                  And there wasn’t much clothes in the stores - they went to the flea markets. Where is Moscow Adidas - 90 rubles, Jeans - from 120 to 200, Alaska jackets from 300 rubles ...




                  Travel by bus - 6 kopecks.
                  Belyash -15 cents.
                  Myamo was 2,5 rubles in the store, but he was never there, and in the market from 4 rubles for half-baked, and up to 8 rubles for tenderloin.
                  Watermelons at 15-25 rubles per kilogram.
                  Bread loaf - 22 kopecks, city cube - 6 kopecks.
                  Here you have at least 1,5 rubles a day spent on life.
                  For 30 days - now 45 rubles.

                  That you're all lying.
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                  You lie a Bus across the USSR 5 kopecks, Answer how many trolleybuses and trams were there?
                  You look like an American bot.
                  A loaf of bread 22k is white bread for soldiers. Black 18 or 16 or 14. In summer, I worked at a bakery at school, I know for sure.)))))
                  You are a liar and a bot.
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                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  )))))
                  You are a liar and a bot.


                  Do not carry nonsense.
                  In Kuibyshev, always from the 70s from the moment when I began to ride with my parents on the bus, and we traveled 7 days a week - the fare cost 6 kopecks.
                  Children in Kuibyshev always liked to stand near the ticket offices - it was so cool when the children were entrusted with money, they threw them into the coin slot, spin the wheel and tear out the ticket that comes out.
                  Also, developed children were trusted to collect change for those who gave 10 or 20 kopecks or even a ruble for travel - and you transferred all the money as change - to the one who gave more ...
                  The tram was 3 kopecks, the trail was 5 kopecks.

                  Do not write garbage, you are clearly from another test, not from the Soviet ...

                  In '83, I already earned money by mail, because. that it was possible to work at the post office from 12 years old.

                  And I lived in a “bakery” house. There is a house in Samara / Kuibyshev at 11 Kalinina, where in the Soviet times there was exactly a “Bakery”, although it also sold bread and rolls. And I went for bread every day.
                  Nobody loved black bread with us. No one bought it.

                  Opposite my house - there was a cop.
                  And at 50 meters there is a covered market, now Bezymyansky, where from the age of 12 we unloaded machines with watermelons and some of us were then trusted to trade them.

                  Here are some of my peers from Samara / Kuibyshev - I hope they will confirm my words ...
                  And yes, in Kuibyshev - there never were foreigners - there was a closed city.
                  So accusing me of an American bot is worth receiving for the cabbage soup ...
                  I can do it easily and naturally.
                  For I have not written a single word of untruth.
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                  Show a ticket of 6 kopecks since the USSR
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  • hhhhhhh 12 March 2020 14: 36 New
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    Wake up, we have been living under capitalism for 30 years, as they have, and not in the USSR.)))))
    Capitalism is only for those who can steal, and does not reflect on the murder of a neighbor
  • iouris 12 March 2020 20: 42 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In Cuba, the average salary is 30 evergreens.

    Get the lifting of the blockade from Cuba, then we'll see.
  • AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 11: 11 New
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    China has been on its way to prosperity since the late 70s, from the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's market reforms. Without excesses, inherent in us and throwing. And we wanted to go to the market in 500 days.
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      What would happen to Russia if they gave us so much money? And not robbed from the 90s
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        They just don’t give anything. Deng Xiaoping was able, unlike the Kremlin elders, to create such conditions for capital that he flowed into China by river.
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          Where will China sell today? USA returns plants home.
          Kremlin elders refused to bring down the United States after the default there.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 12 March 2020 11: 14 New
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    The economic miracle ”of Russia must certainly take place. At least, it remains only to believe ... To believe ??? Conduct a social survey independent, whom do the inhabitants of Russia believe ??? If the country affects the 90s, the number of billionaires, only with one respected one, increases like mushrooms after rain, what, what achievements are our citizens proud of at the moment? Medicine, pensions, zp, education, housing and communal services, etc.? Ahh remembered the creation of the Russian Guard, the constitutional change, well, now one respected will compare himself with grandfather Lenin, even if the date on the day of the criminal vote was changed.
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 04 New
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      I believe that an economic miracle will take place in Russia. Probably in 100 years. We won’t check it.
  • Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 11: 14 New
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    Chinese “economic miracle”: can it be “copied” by Russia
    What did you drink, dear? I didn’t read, the name was enough. The whole world (TNCs) made a world factory from China and poured trillions ...... Someone will flood us with trillions tomorrow? .... There are no oak heads.
    1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 11: 17 New
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      And this is the result of China's sound economic policy - an attractive investment climate.
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    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 06 New
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      In Russia, the "Angara" build 30 years. The first Borey was built for 25 years. And how many are building the Vostochny spaceport? In Russia, they can steal money for the construction of any number of hospitals in 10 days.
  • Loess 12 March 2020 11: 17 New
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    According to the World Bank, in 2010, more than 200 million people lived in the country below the poverty line. Already in 2017, their number dropped to less than 50 million, by 2020, if not for the coronavirus, the Chinese comrades, completely incomprehensibly managing to become rich with the whole people, would get rid of the concept of “poverty” as such


    - "The threshold of poverty in China is 6,33 yuan per day ($ 1). If a person has to live on less than $ 1 a day, then he can be counted among the poor.
    - annual income .. is less than 2 yuan (about 300 dollars). Or $ 363 a month.


    By the number of millionaires, China has long surpassed all who can. But at the same time, there was no terrifying stratification of society that is characteristic of our post-Soviet history.

    I understand that in China, too, not everything is as joyful as we would like ...
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      The number of poor people says little at all, due to the fact that poverty levels are set by each country at the request of the left heel.
      In China, 1 dollar per day per person, in Russia 5.56 dollars per day per person, in the US 33.7 bucks per day per person.
      What level you set, so many poor will be.
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        And the purchasing power of one dollar is also different in different countries.
  • Quasipatriot 12 March 2020 11: 19 New
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    Can the Chinese “economic miracle” be copied in Russia? No, it cannot (at the moment)! Because they have a communist party with a tough national policy and a great goal - to become the first state by 2050. And about our power, according to the new laws, either good or nothing. Otherwise a fine. Plus, the economy is colonial-export raw (to a greater extent). Recently I saw a story about a Chinese oligarch, he took all his employees to Paris and paid them a flight, accommodation, meals, tours, even the Louvre took off for a day. Because he respects his employees, and understands that they earn money for him. And you know everything about our oligarchs. And in general, according to the president’s secretary, we don’t have oligarchs — only businessmen, faithful sons and patriots of the fatherland. But Russia will win, because Putin (and his loyal secretary) is with us
  • tihonmarine 12 March 2020 11: 22 New
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    In fact, China accomplished the “economic miracle” with its mind and colossal work, but with the money and technology of others.
    Russia has hands and mind, but no one will give money and technology. And they never gave.
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 10 New
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      Money and technology must be earned by yourself. The United States also received neither money nor technology for nothing from anyone. All earned, or invented or bought. Of course they got lucky on trade in World Warriors. But for some reason it’s them. But there were a lot of countries that were not affected by world warriors, but were not able to profit from them. Because, unlike the Yankees, there was no mind or imagination.
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Money and technology must be earned by yourself. The United States also received neither money nor technology for nothing from anyone.

        Are you so naive.
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          Do you think that money and technology can be easily obtained? What will a good uncle give? You are naive. Money and technology must be earned
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            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            Do you think that money and technology can be easily obtained?

            Well, there are different owners of money. And it’s not our business to count other people's money. Well, about the technology I will not even remind Otto von Braun with his rocket technology and school. The whole world steals, who is brazen, gets more.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko 12 March 2020 11: 26 New
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    Weakly stick stickers 6 days a week for 12 hours? Everything would copy communism, liberalism, democracy, capitalism, etc., but who will work? laughing I agree rocket757 about juche.
  • Essex62 12 March 2020 11: 29 New
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    The so-called miracle has a clear explanation - a huge amount of cheap rabsila. Nor is there any kind of socialism in China. The communists are repainted as traitors to the idea as ours. The main postulate of society, with communist ideals, is a ban on enrichment and an equal start from birth. If there are bourgeois at large and with stolen goods, this is capitalism kondovy, with all the consequences. They wanted to spit on the welfare of citizens, so they give a little pinch off the crumbs a little from the pie. So with us, so far, they are not massively starving to death. The bourgeois, from that time wiser, do not take to the extreme.
    1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 11: 46 New
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      Socialism, he is in the DPRK. Standard kondovy socialism. And China owes its current prosperity to a market economy. Which they did build.
    2. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 13 New
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      Something this amount did not give a visible effect in other poor countries with a high population density. Look at the population density of China, what is its result in the economy, and compare all this with the similar countries of India, Yemen, Bangladesh, and the countries of the Gulf of Guinea in Africa.
      So your explanation, Essex62 (Alexander), is not entirely convincing.
      1. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 22: 29 New
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        In India, and especially Bangladesh, population density is much higher than in China.
  • gridasov 12 March 2020 11: 30 New
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    Do Russian leaders lack the mind to live their own lives? Why not take a tribe from the Amazon
  • New Year day 12 March 2020 11: 32 New
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    Chinese “economic miracle”: can it be “copied” by Russia

    no
    They won’t give us anything.

    so we did not try. When the petrodollars poured in, we slept and enriched ourselves. Time is now lost
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 14 New
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      Time was lost in the 30s, when there was a process of transferring labor from agriculture to industrial production. It is a pity that the economy was not capitalistic then.
      1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 15: 53 New
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        In the 30s, for a sharp industrial leap, the command-planned economy was needed. We lost time in the 60s-70s. Then it was still possible to implement the Chinese scenario for the transition to a market economy. Smooth, without excesses and jerks. And there would be no dissatisfaction - the private trader would quickly fill the shelves with food and clothing.
  • Vitaly Akimov 12 March 2020 11: 33 New
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    The secret of the Chinese miracle:
    1. For the world has opened its markets to China
    2. Investments
    3. A huge domestic market.
    It is believed that a self-sufficient domestic market is 250 million people. Just the USSR. At present, Russia’s attempt to create such a market has a tough response - Ukraine.
    4. In China, it is not so easy to exchange yuan for the dollar, the permission of the authorities is needed. Money stays in the country.
  • yuliatreb 12 March 2020 11: 35 New
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    The Chinese are wise people, did not begin to reinvent the wheel, but based on the economic development of their country, borrowed the experience and model of economic development of the Soviet Union, plus the older brother helped in almost everything, shared the most intimate, even that which was not necessary. Then a global tragedy occurred, the younger brother was able to reorganize into a market economy without changing the political system, but the older brother still cannot come to his senses, since the transition from socialism to capitalism is a perversion with a sadomasochistic bias.
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      In the late 70s, Hua Guofeng tried to implement Soviet, including Stalinist methods of economic management, but he was defeated in the fight against Deng Xiaoping.
  • fruit_cake 12 March 2020 11: 36 New
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    for this, you need to shoot the liberals in the 89th as the Chinese, then work for a couple of decades as damned - who is capable of this?
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 17 New
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      fruit_cake (Andrey), I agree. Only it was necessary to shoot not in the 80s, but in the 1900s. members of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, the Bund and eSeRs. It was enough to knock 2-3 thousand without a court, slowly in the basements and outhouses.
  • knn54 12 March 2020 11: 36 New
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    They only talk about crime, and this is VERY important.
    It is already difficult for us to distinguish an official from a bandit.
    In China, the death penalty for corruption, and in Russia, they are promoted.
    And THE MAIN THING, that the PERSON would appear at the right time and in the right place. Take that Deng Xiaoping.
    1. AU Ivanov. 12 March 2020 12: 02 New
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      China is a clan society. If you belong to the “right” clan, then you can warm your hands. Otherwise, you get a bullet. What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to the bull.
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  • otto9966 12 March 2020 11: 36 New
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    a Chinese man even for $ 100-200 will conscientiously plow for 8-10 hours like dad carlo ... because hard work is in their blood ... and we are all lazy in comparison with them .... we can’t even paint in our porches, we are waiting for the Soviet regime to whiten, color .... it's the bitter truth ... we don’t know how to work like them ..... we all at once and more ....
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 12: 19 New
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      The Chinese will not plow for 100-200 dollars. There is an average salary of 850 US $.
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        The Chinese who plow here, in Russia, in particular on greenhouses, have a maximum of 300 bucks in wages and, for some reason, do not rush home to China. Apparently, not everyone earns these 850 evergreens in China.
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          And you, AS Ivanov, look at the statistics of the number of Chinese in Russia. Just the same, the Chinese are actively returning home from Russia. So you are wrong. Even if you know some Chinese who plow in Russia for 300 bucks, then they are becoming less and less.
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      2. Essex62 13 March 2020 12: 04 New
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        Fairy tales . A huge part of the population does not even have passports.
        1. Aleksandr1971 14 March 2020 16: 21 New
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          Now China lives an order of magnitude better than Russia. Although per capita income in China is slightly lower than for example in Poland and the Baltic states, but because of significantly lower prices than in Europe, the standard of living in China is comparable to Poland and the Baltic states. And you are talking about the lack of passports ...

          By the way, I often notice that many Russians have some outdated ideas about China and the Chinese. As if they were uneducated, backward, impoverished, hungry and trying to populate everything by themselves. The world has changed a lot. And China has changed even more. If in 1991, the billionth of China created a product half that of the USSR. Now China is creating a total social product 6-8 times (depending on the assessment methodology) more than Russia. Further, the lag of Russia from China will only increase.

          I have already repeatedly made links to economic sites here, but these messages were deleted by the moderator. So look for yourself.
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            The lion's share of this product settles in the pockets of the notorious Chinese millionaires, of which most on the planet. I believe this infe, there really are a lot of them. But to all economic sites, not a penny. Ordinary Chinese have faltered and will be haggling, for pennies, under the wise guidance of the degenerates. Once again, socialism is a ban on personal enrichment and an equal start from birth.
            Inhumans appropriating the product of the labor of millions of fellow citizens should not be. From the word at all.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 12 March 2020 11: 37 New
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    The cons went, it’s great, clear, and it’s clear who, and for what purpose in the VO, publishes such articles, the respected administration of the VO, do not turn into latrine, be a little more honest, people will reach for you maybe ...
  • 16112014nk 12 March 2020 12: 00 New
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    China copied the economic system of the USSR until 1953, and taking advantage of the population, it is building up the economy. India, of course, has enough population, but the system is not the same. Russia has neither one nor the other. And for the Russian authorities, the welfare of the people is the twenty-fifth business.
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      What did he copy? In 1979, he copied rather a number of elements of the NEP’s policy based on the Bukharin postulates, but then went even further in terms of the development of market relations. By the way, Bukharin’s ideas in China are highly respected.
  • Old partisan 12 March 2020 12: 33 New
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    To accomplish such an economic miracle, only a little of the Chinese Communist Party is needed.
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      Is she really communist? Or is it just a name? The working methods of this party are not at all communist: Marx and Vova are turning propellers in their graves.
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    How long have I worked in our space industry (1983-2012) I want to notice that the top of the enterprises where I worked are rotted. They are inadequate - wedding generals - sons, relatives, thieves. Moreover, the order of promotion was built so that nothing changes. Want to see youth - get youth. But what kind of youth are these? Here one of them was appointed the best young specialist of the Volga region. I "drenched" the audience from this youth group with a 50-fold superiority in key parameters. The question was - can I agree with the leadership? No?..
    Good! Now I work in a private company. And the pace of development in our company at the level of 15-25% per year.
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 13: 28 New
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      Journalist Rogozin leads the space industry ..... Ha Ha (through tears ....). And he attached his son to lead the Ilyushin company. And you are talking about the repetition of the "Chinese miracle" ......
    2. Justme 12 March 2020 14: 19 New
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      In fairness, I must say that the situation of corruption, of leading idiocy, of responsibility for the result of work - at the NIIFI, where I worked, has improved somewhat lately. However, can they take on bright non-standard projects? Well, in order to fail completely (partially steal ...) - Yes !!! And in order to achieve this striking result - No !!
      Why? I can explain that I have been working on my elite qualifications all my life. Well, at least now I am working with a wide range of capabilities and resources - but not there ..
  • Oquzyurd 12 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    God created the earth and life, everything else China winked We are consumers as far as possible, the rest is not our business, since our natural development train went off the rails as early as 1917. The USSR built a new train that did not carry people, on the contrary, people pushed him with overwork to the side of “communism”.
  • ROMAN123456 12 March 2020 13: 29 New
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    How did it happen that a poor and undeveloped country that was even less than half a century ago suddenly turned into such an important part


    More interested in the opposite ..
    How did it happen that the Great Country, which was 30 years old ... slipped into a poor and undeveloped gas station ..
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 12 March 2020 13: 55 New
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      How did it happen that the Great Country, which was 30 years old ... slipped into a poor and undeveloped gas station ..
      What kind of “greatness” is this degenerative when the counters are empty, people live in panel slums, and people are not allowed out of the country? Transcendental militarism is not the “greatness” that one should be proud of.
      It’s the same with China, if people lived well there, the Celestial authorities would not have to spend astronomical efforts on a “digital concentration camp”.
      Learn to appreciate what you have, because objectively, right now, the Russian people live better than modern “great” Chinese, and “no less great” Soviet residents.
      1. ROMAN123456 12 March 2020 14: 10 New
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        right now, the Russian people live better than modern “great” Chinese, and “no less great” Soviet residents.

        Sheer stupidity ..
        Right now, people are surviving on a beggarly salary, racking their brains at night, than to pay for a mortgage .. About the fact that "people now choose the majority of small-sized apartments", I will not repeat for our officials .. I have the whole area built up with the same " panel slums "on 30sq.m.
        Whereas in Soviet times nothing was close .. Work - and you will have everything .. like people !!

        And with regards to the Chinese .. it was written about that, where those Chinese were, where we were .. And where it all moved ..
  • Million 12 March 2020 13: 39 New
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    Today's Russia is beyond the power.
    Power will not and will not allow anything to develop.
  • place 12 March 2020 13: 40 New
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    The true miracle was the creation of the USSR. It was the activity of the USSR that changed the world, destroyed the colonial system and led countries such as China or India to independence. And there the people of China or India, who managed to nominate worthy leaders, got down to business.

    The fact that the Russian people didn’t get a damn thing from this miracle, but only hunched over and was present while performing miracles, is the problem of the EXCLUSIVELY MOST RUSSIAN PEOPLE. As the saying goes: "some dancers" not only miracles, but also their own ...... interfere.

    In general, you can achieve everything in this world. But just do not bring anything back. Who himself foolishly got off the train going to the future, ruined the country instead of putting things in order in it - let him blame his nonsense. The Chinese cannot put his head on the Russian.
  • asp373 12 March 2020 14: 06 New
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    It is immediately obvious that the author never worked with China, never talked with the Chinese, but draws information from advertising booklets.
    But this is garbage. In fact, there is no miracle. For thousands of years, China has been the center of world science, culture and production, and only the use of a machine gun and opium allowed Europe to occupy this niche for an extremely short time.
    1. Aleksandr1971 12 March 2020 15: 09 New
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      I will repeat my comment on the Chinese economic miracle, only without links to other sites (so as not to be deleted again).
      China in its history has repeatedly experienced an era of booming economic recovery. And most of its history, China has created about half of the global product. Also, by population, China has also been a big part of history much more than now. Until the beginning of the 18th century, China surpassed Europe in terms of per capita production and quality of life. But in the 18th century, China, due to poor-quality alien rule (the Manchurian Qing Dynasty) began to lag behind Europe. And Europe in the 15-16 centuries opened the world, began to appropriate the wealth of the colonies, and at the end of the 18th century (England) it began the industrial revolution.
      If now in China 17% of the world's population, then at the beginning of the 20th century in China there were about 1/3 of the world's population. In the 7th century (Tang Dynasty), China had 60% of the world's population. That is, three out of five people were Chinese.
      The world's first industrial revolution began precisely in China in the 12th-13th centuries under the Song Dynasty.
      But it was interrupted by the Jurchen invasions (Jin dynasty), and then the Mongols (Yuan dynasty). As you know, the armies of the Central Asian nomads were unparalleled until the appearance of handguns. Thus, the Mongols, after some failures, as a whole successfully passed to central Europe. The stop of the Mongols was related to their internal causes. Muscovite Russia began to confidently beat the nomads only with the appearance of arsenals and muskets. The technology for the production of firearms in China of the 12-13th century was already. China is 7 centuries ahead of Europe in the production of coke-based steel and was a millimeter away from the mass equipment of the army with a hand-held firearm. The Industrial Revolution was not completed only for a very small set of extremely unfortunate circumstances, including the rule of the rare mediocre and passive emperors of the Song Dynasty.
      It is difficult to say what the world would be like if the industrial revolution in China were completed in the 13th century. I suppose that the border of China and Russia would pass through the Urals and the Caspian. China would colonize both Americas earlier and become the subject of world colonial policy. And the rest of the countries and continents would be the objects of this policy.
      Of course, most readers of this site would not be happy with such a scenario, but on the other hand, the level of material culture and the welfare of the world would now be many times higher than now.
      Someone will say that this is only a probabilistic hypothesis or fantasy on the topic “what would happen if Hitler won the war” (for example). I agree. I’ll just say that for China, the economic breakthrough is not a miracle, but a periodically repeated phenomenon. And what is historically customary for China to be the economic leader of the world. And for Russia, being a world economic leader is nonsense ...
  • Operator 12 March 2020 14: 24 New
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    Since the 1970s (as previously Germany), the PRC has pumped up Western countries with investments and technologies, and has also opened its markets to format China as cannon fodder against the USSR, since free cheese can only be found in a mousetrap. But China (again, like Germany) lost control and wanted to become an independent player in the international arena.

    Over its entire thousand-year history, Russia has never been a participant in such an attraction of unprecedented generosity. Therefore, it is not necessary to invent another object of cargo cult, especially since in connection with the closure of Western markets and the onset of the global economic crisis, export-oriented China has obviously stumbled and began to deflate.
  • CBR600 12 March 2020 14: 37 New
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    Again we rest on independence and sovereignty. Boltalogy
  • A.TOR 12 March 2020 14: 58 New
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    Not that human material. Judging by the comments.
    But how is it really?
  • Tank jacket 12 March 2020 18: 02 New
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    The largest consumer market was opened to China -USA, and in the USA there was Reagonomika, loans to the population. And now the rates are zero. Reagonomics is everything ... Liberals cannot achieve economic growth. The liberal economic model has outlived itself (s)
  • tank64rus 12 March 2020 19: 01 New
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    There are 60 times more applications for invention in China than in Russia. Of these, 60-70% are being introduced. We write up to 3%. At present, we are ruled by a Western-oriented comprador bourgeoisie. The economy in the Russian Federation is raw and this allows the oligarchic clans to cut their coupons mostly without straining. After all, if you develop an economy, you have to work, work, and still work, and be a patriot of your country, and not drag everything stolen abroad. Well, to simulate violent activity there are now Skolkovo and other Potemkin villages imitating the development of the country. It is like living in Moscow within the Garden Ring or 100 km from it in the village. And while this way will be preserved it will be so.
  • Dimmedroll 12 March 2020 22: 30 New
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    The author is all great, but only 300 million people live well in China, the rest of the billion, frankly, are not so hot. It's just that in China, the poverty level is considered quite different. And yes, Rossi will not be able to repeat after China, the resource is small. But he can come up with his own.
  • Steen 13 March 2020 05: 24 New
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    In a report by Rhodium Group and NCUSCR, about 6,7 thousand investment transactions by American companies in China between 1990 and 2015 are estimated at $ 228 billion.
  • NordUral 17 March 2020 20: 57 New
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    No, he can not. And we ourselves have something to copy - the post-war Stalinist development with corrections, of course.