Can modern lieutenants independently carry out combat missions

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Very often I hear conversations of veterans of the army and fleet in the style of "Not like the current tribe ..." I admit, this happened to me too. When you arrive somewhere at the training ground and you see frank commander "mistakes" that are shown by young officers ... Probably, this is the way the person works. He quickly forgets how he started himself, and requires subordinates to have knowledge, skills and experience comparable to their own.

And the issue of training young officers today is much more acute than ever. The fighting, in which our armed forces took part, revealed not just a change in tactics of warfare, but also presented completely new requirements for junior commanders and unit commanders.



Previously, the basic requirement for the squad, platoon and company commander was to solve stereotypical tasks in accordance with the requirements of combat manuals, manuals and manuals, but today this is clearly not enough. Today, any of the commanders, regardless of the unit that he commands at the present time, is obliged not only to follow the orders of higher commanders, but also to correctly assess the current situation, to effectively solve the assigned tasks not only in standard, but also in non-standard ways.

Now I will say a seditious thing that will cause negative emotions among many veterans of the army. The time of statutory battle formations has passed. Exactly! Note, I did not write that it is not necessary to study combat manuals. On the contrary, the commander must know the combat manual so that it bounces off the teeth. In modern combat, the forms of construction are of positive importance only when the commander has the ability and skill to choose the most optimal form for a particular case, a specific battle.

So, we again return to the fact that today the sergeant or junior officer is obliged to correctly assess the situation, make the right decision and, most importantly, ensure its implementation by personnel. It is obliged to do this, if necessary, independently, without the order of a senior commander, as an independent combat unit.

The fact that such changes are taking place is understood by both the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff. This can already be judged by the fact that the annual army organized and held an annual competition to solve tactical problems among cadets of military universities and officers up to and including the battalion level. Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.

Now a legitimate question arises. Maybe fathers-commanders are right? Will it be possible for lieutenants who are trained in specific programs and teaching officers and often for a long time engaged in teaching, rather than serving in military units? Therefore, it is difficult to agree with the fact that they, teachers, manage to follow the innovations encountered by combat units during combat missions.

Of course, I cannot speak for all the universities of Russia, but the reviews of the commanders, periodically receiving young lieutenants in their subordination, are mostly positive. Moreover, many officers even speak of some arrogance of young officers, in the positive sense of the word. "Insolent, but the commander will turn out good from him."

It turns out that our military department has taken steps to solve this problem. Teachers for working with cadets are actively “diluted” with commanders with combat experience. So the teachers are also learning. Those who have already mastered the teaching art perfectly convey the experience of working with cadets to those recently from the troops. And vice versa, the "troops" talk about the experience of battles, about the latest in tactics used by the enemy, about the methods of conducting modern combat.

In general, modern universities in their essence, in terms of teaching, are somewhat similar to military schools and pre-war schools. Lieutenants are taught exactly what is needed in a war. Therefore, graduates - lieutenants - are trained to independently carry out combat missions.

Another thing is that a fairly impressive portion of the officers still quit. The shortage of junior officers remains. And commanders are forced to complete units at the expense of graduates of civilian universities. Which generally reduces the training of officers. The problem of training officers in civilian universities deserves a separate discussion.
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  1. +2
    12 March 2020 06: 22
    It seems to me that those young people who go to military schools, most of them do it deliberately and with great desire, hence the desire in a good sense to make a career as a real, not a parquet general. And God forbid that this would continue. in the army with the so-called "jacket", well, it was clearly neither his, and in general, our foreman-ensign took over his functions, the uncle really with the experience of Afghanistan ... and the boy then died, the kingdom of heaven
    1. +10
      12 March 2020 07: 15
      Do not distort .... in Ch.R in 1999-2000 the so-called "jackets" by you accounted for 66-100% of the officer corps (the level of a company commander), 100% of the level of a platoon commander, battery. Now it is convenient to "interfere" with them or "not clever", but in the press with drunks and drunks ... But in fact, after the collapse of the USSR .... by a presidential decree, they "closed" the lack of officers in the army. The overwhelming majority of the cadres after the schools broke the contract due to service inconsistency .... there were at least a minimum of them - both as platoon commander and company commander. Example: Kantemirovskaya and Tamanskaya divisions. They were mainly replacing combat losses. And as a regrettable "joke" ..... the personnel chief of the regiment's artillery came to replace us ..... in general, we had to train him ... but morally killed something else ... a blank award sheet and a phrase .... me for the arrival of the order put ..... June 2000. There were no stargazing awards to biennials ...., mostly .... received personnel of a higher level. Answer who walks more under bullets ... - answer the platoon, company commander yourself ...
      1. +2
        12 March 2020 07: 36
        You can delete your account .... In fact .... You idealize personnel, with shit "interfere" with biennials ..... I have the honor !!!! PS I said softly in the commentary .... the realities were more contradictory.
        1. 0
          12 March 2020 09: 45
          Naturally, the truth is somewhere in the middle. I have encountered enough "jackets" for my service. I even had a regiment commander of "jackets", I will say so, a very worthy officer, he graduated from the Academy of General Staff. But in fact, the problem is that the number of normal specialists among cadres and jackets has such an attitude out of five cadre officers comes across one (it does not matter a drunkard, a opportunist, or just a narrow-minded person) and out of five "jackets" four opportunists hid in the army from women with , debts, and other troubles in life. At the same time, they do not understand the service, do not want to serve, and on occasion tell what kind of "sergeants prishibeyevs" are around, but they are .... And what kind of attitude do you want towards these people in general?
        2. +4
          12 March 2020 11: 05
          To the "branch" that appeared below. I'll tell you my trip in a minibus two years ago (a trip from one city to another), three cadets came in. Dozing ..., they started talking. One has a dad in charge of the Ministry of Emergencies, the rest are ordinary guys from low-income families. Who has a "dad" - academic performance pulls; those who are simple - and in their studies they drag on with their work, and they try to go to competitions, collect ..., the so-called points. They considered their future life after graduation. So who has a "dad" - you need to marry right ... on the daughter of the commander .... Those that are simple - you must first of all be honest and responsible. These simple guys will turn out to be honest and correct officers of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Emergency Situations - they will pull everything in the service, since the approach is correct (those same “horses” that pull everything). It will be necessary and they will give their lives without hesitation. P.S. In life, again, not quite correct nepotism…. generations, and selection to schools ... you know how ... (the same "bearded" anecdote, the son of the Pope to the Colonel ... will he be a general's son ...). I really hope that according to the above, that the guys with the right approach, both from ordinary families and from military dynasties, WILL BE MOST WORK AND FOLLOWING !!!
          1. +2
            14 March 2020 12: 01
            And he will be the first to command those two. Alas, se la vi.
            1. 0
              18 March 2020 21: 14
              Engines now rule the army very, very ...
      2. +8
        12 March 2020 07: 38
        And here is not your truth! A similar thing was observed about jackets in the first Chechen company, and in the second, even before the Basayev campaign to Dagestan in August, all the country's schools carried out a mass graduation of career lieutenants on March 27-April 1, bringing the staffing of primary positions to 80% and allowing an almost full-fledged combat smoothing the divisions before starting the company. In the first, yes, the word "consolidated" battalion, regiment ... manned by God knows how and by whom, has become a household name and this is one more, only Yeltsin's military crime.
        1. +8
          12 March 2020 08: 01
          Quote: Finches
          full-blooded combat smoothing units

          Or maybe it’s still co-ordination
          1. +8
            12 March 2020 08: 05
            Yes, I’m writing from the phone in the subway, it’s not convenient, and he then also words, the Chinese infection, formats in his own way laughing
        2. +2
          12 March 2020 12: 03
          Quote: Finches
          And here is not your truth!

          True true! At the time of the beginning of my 2nd Chechen regiment, 80% was equipped with jackets, the personnel just started to approach. And the two-year-olds went to fight, how cute. At that time I was already out of the state, waiting for some favors. But somehow I felt uncomfortable, my friends were leaving, and I ... I wrote a report on the conclusion of a new contract, went to the CP. And he says to me: "You will go to war only if I order you, go home, give birth to children and throw the crap out of your head." The site rules do not allow to reproduce the original text. After this conversation, I received my salary and IAP very quickly. As for career lieutenants, it is also a holy truth. To serve a year and break the contract for non-compliance by the state was a massive phenomenon, naturally not everyone did that. And when, after the war, the regiment returned to the PPD and was staffed with career officers, 100% fellow soldiers told me that the CP said to career junior officers: "I wish I could disperse you, and return the jackets."
          1. +3
            12 March 2020 12: 25
            For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that not all of the "jackets" are commanders. Anything happened, someone by nature once ... a guild, someone by nature is not capable of commanding, someone is a chronic drunk. But nobody asked us, Motherland called us, they served us.
          2. 0
            12 March 2020 12: 43
            So you have a situation, but I watched a little different! Personnel left, but not in large quantities, the jacket, the jacket, as well as the frame, the frame is different, but the frame is a frame so that you don’t say ... I was a company, then I commanded a battalion and had seen enough! A lot depends on a person!
            1. +1
              12 March 2020 12: 53
              With the mass character, I went too far, I had to write "it was a frequent phenomenon." Otherwise I completely agree with you. In my company, all three platoonmen were "jackets", and the 1st and 3rd graduates of my same faculty and I knew them from the institute. It cannot be said that they performed their duties negligently, but somehow gradually and without a spark, treating the service as an inevitable trouble. Do not take it for boasting, but during his absence the company commander always left me, even though I commanded the 2nd platoon.
          3. 0
            12 March 2020 20: 02
            And he says to me: "You will go to war only if I order you, go home, give birth to children and throw the crap out of your head."
            You are lucky KP - a real man and DAD with a capital letter !!!! PS I can't call my CP that way, for him I am a "criminal". Thanks to the chief of staff of the regiment, who "covered" with what he could, not everything "depended" on him, so I can call him DAD!
        3. 0
          12 March 2020 18: 43
          "and secondly, even before Basayev's campaign against Dagestan in August, all the country's schools completed a mass graduation of career lieutenants on March 27-April 1, bringing the staffing of primary positions to 80% and allowing for an almost full-fledged combat smoothing of units before the start of the campaign."
          Regarding ... the so-called early release ...., two personnel officers came into the company, one put in comforters, the second in my position as commander of 1 platoon, as a result, while they left 3 months ..., he worked with company (in 1 week one day-night firing + outfits, in 2 week two day-night firing (i.e., early rise at 5 in the morning, at 6 breakfast and on foot to the 8 km training ground, at lunch back on foot for lunch, weapons to the pyramids ... after the return, they brought dinner in the end, but left the training ground at one or two nights Yes, 30ku, 5,45, 7,62 on sledges themselves dragged to the training ground ..... At best, one day off per month. You’ll be removed from the outfit, the next outfit again. And these "eagles" are not visible .... they are persuaded and paid ... As a result, I "rebelled ...." I expressed everything at the meeting in person - they put them in separate platoons: communications, GDV, software (out of 40 units of equipment, 6 are workable). As a result, 32 units were repaired with the hard work of soldiers and his own, knocking out spare parts in divisional warehouses and rummaging in the garbage dumps of broken equipment. Soldiers from individual platoons gave their salaries to "prostavas" warrant officers in warehouses for spare parts. I also wore outfits .... On the plus side, the command post fulfilled its "promise" and all the individual platoons left for two weeks in the neophyte. vacation). You would have comrade Zyablitsev "pulled" in one person ..... I make a mistake ... but this is the truth of life ....
          1. -1
            12 March 2020 19: 24
            Mind you, I'm not complaining, that's life. With the new battalion commander, "it did not work out" ... But in the end there was a huge choice, despite my explosive nature and correctness: remrota (commissars) or deputy. early armored service, a material support company (commander), a reconnaissance company (commander), a regiment's artillery management, and the post of chief of the KECh. Would have left for KECh (or "walked" at an accelerated rate / or "sat down"). He went into the artillery, wanted a quiet life and service .... What happened, it happened ... .. Service 4 years, acting. in the captain-major positions (in the conditions of combat actions, and not in one in combination) - and the eternal starley ...
            1. +1
              12 March 2020 19: 49
              Yes, I’m talking to myself .....) the regiment was commander of the 9th company Kostya H., the eternal captain (1 Chechen behind, and there were two officers with combat experience in the regiment) the soldiers truly respected, his subordinates are now gnawing at anyone throat for insult. Shamanov in Ch., Almost demoted to ordinary, and Kostya was right. He returned to the unit as a major, graduated from the Military Academy, left to accept the unit - his heart refused. Here on such personnel and the army keeps !!!! Rest in peace!!!
      3. +5
        12 March 2020 08: 38
        Well dear, I am not distorting anything. And gave the example of the first Chechen. Where I was a conscript and our platoon commander was from two-year-olds, completely green, that's all, it was before my eyes, and this does not mean that everyone is like that "jackets" were bad commanders, they were different, so read carefully, and in the second war I was already in a different status there and did not intersect with such platoon officers, that's all.
      4. +3
        12 March 2020 09: 07
        in Ch.R in 1999-2000 the so-called "jackets" by you accounted for 66-100%

        I will not argue with you, I will share my experience ... CH.R. 2000-2001, 33 OBRON 90% - career officers (company level and above 100%), opinion about "jackets" - for the most part it is quiet horror
      5. +2
        12 March 2020 09: 35
        The fact that the "jackets" went to the Chechen Republic as part of the tag and the First Guardsman I will not deny, but the fact that 100% were in primary military positions is you very much, how to say more kindly, being disingenuous. Yes, a lot of personnel were cowardly resigned, but the division was large, they were replaced at first from other parts of the formation, after a year and a half, the truth was already recruited from the district.
        1. -3
          12 March 2020 10: 22
          Quote: Gvardeetz77
          Yes, there’s a lot of staff who got scared,

          as there Vershigory - personnel exist for parades, and accountants are fighting .... bully
          1. 0
            18 March 2020 16: 02
            Well, this is not a pure Vershigory expression, it is well known. Yes, personnel will take the first blow, and then the people will fight: locksmiths, collective farmers, teachers, accountants ...
            After graduation, I myself served as a "jacket" for 1,5 years and did a good job in the late 1980s. And other guys, too, offered many to stay. In general, we are all different - bad officers can be among the personnel, and among the "jackets".
        2. +3
          12 March 2020 11: 22
          1 regiment was in the second echelon ..., the company commanders were understaffed from the 15th regiment (in particular from the tank battalion, and I have nothing against the personnel) and the rest of the 2nd guard division (with a pine forest). You know the number of cowards in your regiment yourself. As you know, the fact that after Alkhan-yurt the 15th should have been sent for reformation ...., as well as the fact that the 15th remained one of the 2 motorized rifle regiments and 4 landing regiments, which since July 2000 remained e-nt the number of years in the territory of Ch. It is about not making a difference .... everyone did their duty and mostly honestly. In Ch. 9 months, a two-year-old officer came to replace me altogether, not from our division ... YES and on June 15, 2000 I had 2 years from call to call, I left on June 30 so consider ..... how was the replacement , besides .... that it was not counted. In the hostel, the commandant fainted ..., two officers. a funeral is not a red word. And the guys from the art division, who served for 2-3 months, two-year-olds left for the war with the regiment, returned after 10 months of hostilities and what I had to decide in the group about replacing them ... The authorities didn’t go for it, but I had nothing to lose .
          1. +2
            12 March 2020 19: 56
            Well, I myself am not a native of the infantry regiments, our modest separate battalion "strengthened" both, but only personnel and "small-caliber" lieutenant generals and colonel generals came from us :). They did not send jackets from us, although there were also plenty of them, and a pair of very decent ones, better than the average personnel.
            1. 0
              12 March 2020 20: 23
              "Gvardeetz77 (Anatoly) Well, I myself am not a native of the infantry regiments, our modest separate battalion" strengthened "both, but only personnel and" small-caliber "lieutenant generals and colonel generals came from us :)." No offense, we understood each other, it turned out that I opened myself too much, who ... and where. In fact, I was able to leave and the officers of the artillery battalion were helped by my acquaintance with an officer from the group through the ZAS (it is believed that it is impossible to determine by voice, but certain overtones of the voice and the formation of proposals can be). He had a second business trip in June to the group, he recognized me too - we had to work with him on goals. Thanks to him, he escaped (replacement), found a replacement for n. the chief of artillery (the chief of staff of the artillery regiment from the division) and the guys from the artillery division (by their direct order - without replacement). We really were not allowed to travel abroad ... than I could help! I had to "train" my replacement and the new chief of artillery for 2 weeks (the last four months, my boss and I were together - my night was from 20.00 to 8.00, his day).
              1. 0
                12 March 2020 20: 47
                1 regiment (the last parking lot behind Shatoi, closer to Georgia) 15ka will never forgive - we lost 80% of the reconnaissance company, which was thrown into the last parking lot for temporary reinforcement, and a 450-digged militant base was nearby (while 1 regiment was standing, they "did not twitched "). Until now, before the eyes of the "snowdrops" - the children were driven by dogs, went on the water (digging, heavy in the snow), dragged their lungs with them. PS The events after the Pskov paratroopers, the losses were written off for several weeks .., they did not get into the press (no heroes were given, posthumously the Order of Courage).
                1. +1
                  12 March 2020 21: 22
                  How heroes were not given to soldiers and officers for Alkhan-Yurt. "Steering" Sh., After the 4th, he had a heartache, they took him away and thank God ..., followed by 4 "imitations" with artillery preparation, on the 9th, they took him. The regiment had the same scores for the loss of personnel to Sh. For "frontal" attacks on reinforced concrete pillboxes and chained Arabs with Gelayevites. After that, Alkhan-Kala surrendered without a fight.
              2. 0
                13 March 2020 08: 56
                Of course you understand! What grievances, just emotions that do not always need to be thrown out, and the letters will not convey intonation, and the written is not perceived like that. You better tell me (I remembered when listing familiar names in positions), because you were in hell, with you or after there was a case with a sushka, in which a perennial tree "grew" in the trunk and remained in it forever? :) And then, as not to the God of War, everything is known only in the form of a story ...
                1. 0
                  13 March 2020 10: 35
                  Not with me, before the Argun gorge, there were workers in the artillery battalion. After a hike through the Vedenskoe Gorge and mountainous Dagestan (Donkey's Ear), then the Argun Gorge came down to 4 sushki (some of the unreached ones went to irrevocable ones, some were collected, mostly lost in Argunskoe). The last place of my parking is Akhkinchu-Borzoi, there was already a shortage in the artillery battalion. It is quite possible that they were adding equipment to the withdrawn parts, and this could be, since there was a ban on the withdrawal of equipment to the "main" land for the impossibility of hitting unaccounted weapons and such a bike appeared. There is a bike: rottweiler "Linda - lace panties"; the cat (her behavior) and preparation for moving (a day before the order), receives the codogram before the CP; "Sharik" in the artillery battalion, who knows in which car the field kitchen will be attached and sits in the car, waiting for the ensign (the kitchen is not attached), number of units. car technology in the division imagine.
      6. +4
        12 March 2020 10: 24
        I would like to know if MODERN colonels / generals can correctly and clearly set tasks?
      7. 0
        12 March 2020 12: 39
        Dear grad2308! All this has gone back to '94. Swam, we know soldier Honestly, I was not there, I was lucky, but the chance was enormous. hi
      8. 0
        12 March 2020 17: 52
        Quote: grad2308
        Don't distort .... in Ch.R in 1999-2000 the so-called "jackets" by you accounted for 66-100% of the officer corps (the level of a company commander), 100% of the level of a platoon commander and a battery.

        In the early 2000s, I saw an interview with the commander of a regiment of one of the "court" divisions. So he said bluntly that he had one company commander from the personnel, and all the others were "two-haired jackets." smile
    2. +2
      12 March 2020 08: 46
      Reached complete insanity. 1. You go and the hand does not fall. 2. At school, NVP shot, disassembled and cleaned more than in the army. But this is the 90s. Discipline and Order is of course a necessity, but rub the parade ground with shoe polish, or paint the yellow leaves in green.
  2. +11
    12 March 2020 06: 22
    This is my sore subject! Perhaps I am subjective and look through the prism of my generation, but ... lieutenants, graduates of schools built on the basis of the Soviet army school - with barracks without hot water, with two-tier beds, guardhouses, outfits and guards, very strong field training - when they threw out without everything in the frost for survival or "mega-idiotic" (as I think) jogging on military skis "500 Siberian kilometers" (and if you don't run, you won't go on dismissal), with the famous PLO and PZO ... Or today, the cadets are wrapped in cotton wool , they kiss him in pink ass for all 5 years ... Rooms in a hostel with all the conveniences, no clothes, no peeling potatoes, no boots - they don't even know what a shoemaker's corner is ... They don't sleep in tents in the fields - and then suddenly get sick ... In short, if earlier 9 out of 10 graduates performed the task on their own, today 50 to 50 is not a fact! God grant that I am wrong!
    1. +2
      12 March 2020 06: 30
      ... today it’s 50 to 50 and it’s not a fact! God grant that I was wrong !.

      Judging by the last phrases of your protracted monologue, you do not know about the real situation.
      But there are examples from life. By which one can judge the young generation of officers.
      Why didn’t you remember about Alexander Prokhorenko who caused fire on himself in Syria? And about our other guys in Syria. After all, there are entirely young people. And they did not shame the honor of the uniform. Worthy of military duty.
      1. 0
        12 March 2020 06: 34
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Why didn’t you remember about Alexander Prokhorenko who caused fire on himself in Syria?

        Senior Lieutenant Prokhorenko. by that time he was not already a "green summer". and if it had not been necessary to cause fire on himself, he would have been a major by that time.
        1. +12
          12 March 2020 06: 40
          These are internal human qualities data from birth - and I wrote about education and training! Do you understand?
      2. +3
        12 March 2020 06: 39
        I apologize, when were you in the army the last time?
      3. 0
        12 March 2020 08: 48
        Such are very memorable. And not only Prokhorenko. "Work Brothers".
      4. 0
        18 March 2020 21: 23
        All young people? There are very few volunteers there
    2. +9
      12 March 2020 06: 48
      Quote: Finches
      In short ... 50 to 50 and that is not a fact
      that’s exactly, because this article of 50/50 can both be criticized and praised Yes
      This is just a topic for our "sofa" wink
      1. +3
        12 March 2020 07: 35
        Gene, do not be discouraged - your sofa is not the worst line of defense! Hello my friend! hi
        1. +4
          12 March 2020 07: 48
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Gene, do not be discouraged - your sofa is not the worst line of defense! Hello my friend! hi

          hi
          That's for sure, Roma. But I want, at times, to run away to the attack bully near
          1. 0
            12 March 2020 09: 11
            Quote: "But, at times, I want to run to the attack nearby!"
            Me too!!!
            Especially looking at what they did to the military schools!
    3. +3
      12 March 2020 06: 53
      Zyablitsev (Eugene)
      This is my sore subject! ...
      I partially agree with you. finished the combined arms back in 1976 with outfits, guards, lack of hot water (bath once a week). But recently I watched a report about my native FOCUS and you know the combat and physical training at a high level as in the old days. Cadets are brave guys who know their job very well. Therefore, I agree with the author
      Lieutenants are taught exactly what is needed in a war. Therefore, graduates - lieutenants - are trained to independently carry out combat missions
      1. +3
        12 March 2020 08: 08
        Well, in Good and in my time it was good with it) I always liked to watch when on firing after our salvos BMP neighbors bounced)))))
      2. +4
        12 March 2020 08: 32
        And I disagree with the author on many points. Since I know this issue from different angles. 1. Teachers are constantly on business trips, they know the realities. 2. The main problem is the level of school education. 50 percent of cadets do not even know the multiplication tables (they multiply 6x8 on a calculator). 3. Young officers have no desire to put into practice what they were taught (experience comes in 5 years). 4. The worst thing is that now a lot of officers 40-45 years old are retiring (due to changes in legislation).
        1. 0
          12 March 2020 09: 25
          - Lieutenant - He knows nothing, knows nothing.
          Recognizes himself as a great boss.
          Dreams of becoming a general.
          - Senior Lieutenant - Something I learned, something I learned.
          Realizes that besides him there are bosses and older.
          She dreams of rising to the rank of "colonel".
          - Captain - Learned a lot, learned a lot.
          Recognizes his intermediate position in the hierarchy of bosses.
          She dreams of getting a "major".
          - Major - He knows everything, he knows everything. He does everything for everyone.
          Recognizes its insignificance against the background of superiors.
          Dreams - to lay down on a pension and finally get enough sleep.
          - Lieutenant Colonel - I began to forget everything that I knew and knew.
          Realizes only the size of the salary.
          She dreams of doing nothing.
          - Colonel - He knows nothing, does nothing.
          Recognizes himself as a great boss.
          Dreams not to get fired.
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      3. 0
        12 March 2020 11: 06
        Quote: rotmistr60
        with outfits, guards,


        But don't they practice it now? And the kitchen (only 4 courses were released in my time)?
        I do not think that the level in terms of combat training has now fallen. But in terms of psychological stability, certain difficulties of the domestic plan in the field are desirable. This quickly teaches us how to achieve comfort with improvised means. Well, in VU to raise the level of physical fitness (by the way, a new generation looks like healthier than ours, only more relaxed), to ranks and ranks ..
    4. +7
      12 March 2020 07: 03
      Well, you juggle of course) life is changing and conditions too) in the ass they just don’t kiss) and as for joining the troops, it’s very important where you get. a lieutenant is a diamond. gemstone. but he needs a cut to become a diamond. I know cases from life how you can turn a clever girl into mediocrity simply by the fact that his immediate superiors and the atmosphere in part are, to put it mildly, strange. I was lucky. there were excellent officers in the battalion and immediately took them under the wing. in two years they taught a lot. although I had to practically live in part)
      1. +4
        12 March 2020 09: 10
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but he needs a cut

        He graduated from a military school in the distant Soviet times. I learned to command for real, with all responsibility, when in my third year I began to ride as the chief of the guard. We had a training center in our school, which was located 20 km from the city and was assigned there a mobile guard, where a senior sergeant was the chief, and the sentries were junior cadets. At the same time, the inspectors tore at the nachkars with redoubled energy and correctly did the field cadet guard, far from the school, under whose guard the warehouses of weapons, equipment, and property of "NZ" All responsibility for the service on me, I immediately warned, any flight, I will start the execution - working out the introductory "Attack on the guardroom", "Attack on the post", he himself ran ahead, God forbid, who would fall behind, repeat the introductory, knowledge of the regulations of the garrison and guardhouse services - no one sleeps until he hands over, order in the guardroom and on the territory. I went to constantly check the posts, came back and before reaching the guardhouse, turned around and again went to the posts. The sentries were relaxing, because they had just been checked, the deputy chief could not warn them by phone, he thought that I was still checking. I caught one - sitting on a tower, legs dangling, the second took out a stuck cigarette and smoked, the third unbuckled the bayonet and threw it into the tree. I was very tired, but I was young and strong for 20 years.
        P.S. Many years later he met his former guard, who had already served as an officer, so he said:
        - I’m those guards, I still remember and organize the service myself.
    5. +1
      12 March 2020 08: 19
      Absolutely, alas.
      Plus, a huge number of future officers in the SA who served urgent.
      1. +3
        12 March 2020 08: 43
        I agree with what the young lieutenant will fall into the hands of, so to speak .... I am from a military family, lived in a military town, a guy arrived at the site after school, but he served in the army before him, that's where there was a thirst for service, the fire burned ... and fell into the hands of an excellent commander .. now here’s the FSO colonel, the son of an officer ... and the other came to drink with him to hell ... sorry
  3. -1
    12 March 2020 06: 24
    two came to our division after school, constantly ran from the "grandfathers" conscripts for advice ... nothing, they quickly got involved, they don't teach experience at the school.
  4. +1
    12 March 2020 06: 26
    And still relevant.
    1. +3
      12 March 2020 07: 37
      yeah! and that sweat saves blood
      1. 0
        12 March 2020 08: 09
        I'm kidding. As Captain Viktor Andreevich Nikiforov (1493 OBS and RTO) said "Twice Hero of the Soviet Union" - It is hard in training - easy in captivity.
        1. 0
          12 March 2020 08: 18
          people of this caliber can do anything!
    2. 0
      12 March 2020 08: 20
      And also relevant: "the drone is a fool, the bayonet is great" laughing
  5. +1
    12 March 2020 07: 07
    The problem of training officers in civilian universities deserves

    I will not say about the officers, I will say about the doctors who are reserve officers. The training in the specialty is disgusting, not ready for independent decisions. How will they provide assistance on the battlefield?
  6. -1
    12 March 2020 07: 10
    Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.
    Rave. Our "kitchen" should remain ours, why call about it? Those who are in the subject are informed. Do you want to invite impudent people to the competition? negative
    1. +3
      12 March 2020 07: 24
      in vain you are so. wide coverage provides an incentive for those who are going to connect life with the army and the opportunity to be visible to those who participate. The tasks there are ordinary and tactics are not particularly different from others. it is important how they apply them in a given situation. so whoever watches it will have little effect.
      1. -4
        12 March 2020 07: 42
        This can already be judged by the fact that the Russian army has organized and is holding an annual competition to solve tactical problems among cadets of military universities and officers up to and including the battalion level. Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.
        Cadet competition, for example.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        wide coverage provides an incentive for those who intend to associate life with the army
        Coverage of the contest in the press encourages the examiners to devote themselves to the army? Sorry, but this is a diagnosis.
        1. +2
          12 March 2020 08: 19
          what does the exam have to do with it? Do you even understand what a career in the army is? There are several types of people going to military schools. such as myself, for example, who have all their lives since birth among the military. VCA then school. I didn’t even know what kind of institutes I had at all, since I practically didn’t represent anything from becoming a kindergarten officer .. there were those who, after serving the term, accepted this and decided to move along this path. and there are romantics who make decisions on emotions. that’s exactly for them it’s extremely important to show as much of any side of the service as possible. The popularity of the service is an extremely important matter.
          1. -2
            12 March 2020 08: 40
            Quote: carstorm 11
            what does the exam have to do with it? Do you even understand what a career in the army is?

            Do you understandthat all pass the exam? Career ....
            romantics who make decisions on emotions. that’s exactly for them it’s extremely important to show as much of any side of the service as possible. The popularity of the service is an extremely important matter.
            I understand, I understand ..... Competition for solving tactical problems in the VVU.
            And you fool what, in general, is not our romantic, careerist. Sorry, for me, "career" is a dirty word, from the Soviet we. request
            1. -1
              12 March 2020 09: 04
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Do you understand that everyone is passing the exam?

              And when was the last time you saw KIM from the exam? Do you decide anything from it?
            2. +2
              12 March 2020 09: 24
              Sorry, for me, "career" is a dirty word, from the Soviet we.

              Well, why so much about a career? There is nothing wrong with her. hi
              I remember the words of General Dragomirov: "A career is like a penis. On the one hand, every officer should have it. But it is not proper to show it to others all the time."
              1. -1
                12 March 2020 09: 40
                Quote: glory1974
                Well, why so much about a career? There is nothing wrong with her.
                I recall the words of General Dragomirov
                Is he from the Soviet?
                According to A.F. Koni, General Dragomirov considered the Russian soldiers "holy cattle."

                Ah no, well then remember for yourself.
                1. +1
                  12 March 2020 12: 03
                  Is he from the Soviet?

                  But what, Soviet all without penis?
                  Well then remember for yourself.

                  Well then: "Every soldier has a marshal's baton in his backpack."
              2. 0
                18 March 2020 16: 09
                This general seems to have been acting at one time. Minister of Education of the Russian Empire, if I am not mistaken?
                1. 0
                  18 March 2020 22: 35
                  Honestly, I do not remember the govr. But he was seriously engaged in pedagogy.
                  1. 0
                    19 March 2020 09: 11
                    ... too serious, however. No, generals cannot be made ministers of education or education — not those principles of approach! ... Okay, even in wartime, but in peace - in no case.
            3. +3
              12 March 2020 09: 34
              career is ambition. a man without ambition is sorry neither fish nor meat.
              1. +5
                12 March 2020 12: 57
                Yeah. Previously, in aviation, escorting retired aircraft technicians, they said, they say, over 20 years of excellent service, he has come a long way from lieutenant to senior lieutenant. Now everywhere in the air defense ranks are cut back, what a career. Plus the cork in the senior management, there they already serve to the stop, to the boundary. The circle is closed by the fact that the MO, forming an order for lieutenants, operates with an average duration of service, well, like the average temperature in a hospital. As a result, the regiment’s management staff, for example, is clogged, while the company and battalion are all vacant.
        2. +1
          12 March 2020 09: 29
          Coverage of the contest in the press encourages the examiners to devote themselves to the army?

          Press coverage, making films about the army, publishing books, etc. creating an aura of masculinity around the military profession, the need for the country and respect in society stimulate young people to choose.
          Including the coverage of the competition. I myself watched with pleasure about the competition for the platoon commander on the "Zvezda" and both nephews, learned a lot for themselves.
          So you are wrong.
        3. +2
          12 March 2020 09: 57
          Mavrikiy, why is the diagnosis? We did not choose the Unified State Exam (the very format of passing exams at the end of school). There are always those who, so to speak, "get lost in the army," why not give them additional incentive?
          1. 0
            12 March 2020 10: 01
            Quote: Pavel Amarok
            why not give them an additional incentive?

            Explain about the additional stimulus from coverage in the press of the contest in the VVU for 2-3 courses.
            1. +2
              12 March 2020 10: 09
              I will say it as a "mongrel", that is. as a person who did not know the army from the inside (unfortunately): as an option to show their mental abilities at a level more serious than "Yes", "That's right" and "I can't know", for example.
  7. 0
    12 March 2020 07: 59
    Very often I hear conversations of army and navy veterans in the style of "Not like the current tribe ..."

    This is the form .... of regret and envy that their time has passed.
    At any time there were different, heroes and not so.
  8. +4
    12 March 2020 08: 08
    Now I’ll say a seditious thing that will cause negative emotions among many army veterans. The time of statutory battle formations has passed. Exactly!

    Quite the opposite is true. If the Statutes become outdated, they will be adapted to the new combat conditions. This has been the case at all times. You can't win a battle on "audacity" alone. When it comes to "modern war", they only talk about anti-guerrilla warfare: Afghan, Chechnya, Syria. And what about Debaltsev's experience? This is the first. Second, the entire army is reduced to the level of infantry from PMCs (himself from the infantry), but what about the huge number of technically, high-tech specialties, what should they be? to act on intuition? on a whim / So we will agree to "bullet stupid, well done bayonet".
    A combat charter is the foundation of the Armed Forces, without it there is no Army — a crowd of armed fighters, the Army was different from insurgents at all times, it’s another thing to adopt experience, tactical features, etc., the Roman army also — it did and adapted the Statutes 600 years ago, and did not live: The charter itself, the army life - in itself.
    The problem is that both the Army and the country live with us: the Charter (law) in itself, and everything else by concept.
    Only bringing the Charters to real modern combat requirements makes an army of the Army.
    1. +1
      12 March 2020 08: 54
      I am for bringing the Charter to reality. At one time, this (dullness) completely broke off arms and legs, but after school it was different.
      1. +2
        12 March 2020 12: 04
        Any charter, manual is a collection of "average" recommendations that allow you to effectively perform the tasks that arise. If you know (reasonably) how to do better, then deviate from the rules.
  9. +4
    12 March 2020 08: 16
    Regarding the "young lieutenants," I will write a few words from personal observation.
    The most important problem that now exists is the extremely low level of knowledge that secondary schools provide to future officers, excuse me for being straightforward, in the “damned Soviet past” it is the level of a young fellow.
    All my classmates who entered the military school were in Assy in mathematics, this was required at school, entrance exams in high school
    Personally, I know that today's guys, even those who enter high-tech military institutions, are troeshniki from the USSR compared to them.
    And we, as it were, in the XNUMXst century.
    Here and further along the chain.
    1. +1
      12 March 2020 08: 57
      Yes EVERYTHING then in the military commissar was on the level. Now it seems to be reborn. The main thing is not "the plan for the shaft", because for this (shaft) money is paid.
  10. -2
    12 March 2020 09: 39
    A US Army sergeant has always been better trained than a CA / RA lieutenant. For example, the US special forces division is formed of sergeants, the same division of the Russian Federation - from officers.

    Conclusion - Russian lieutenants can independently carry out combat missions, but at the level of American sergeants.
    1. +2
      12 March 2020 16: 13
      Quote: Operator
      The US Army sergeant was always better prepared tactically than the SA lieutenant /


      No!!!
      Usually begin to compare. an old sergeant with a newly arrived fly. But if you compare the new Sergeant with him. And yet, as a rule, sergeants in the USA are trained for specific duties (narrow specialization), and officer tactical training of a wider level and understanding. Letecha-platoon understands the level and tasks of a higher (two-link) formation. And at school he was constantly in training (both as a commander and as a performer). Moreover, he has more in-depth knowledge (do not confuse methods of working on specific equipment, devices, etc.).

      The question of formation is the question of mastering a specific technique (several systems are studied in school, but you can only thoroughly know the one that I got to serve), and the main thing is to adjust the unit for yourself.

      Quote: Operator
      For example, US special forces


      And what is there tactical?
      Our special units were formed not only from VU. And from ultra-urgent ones, who were immediately turned into ensigns or short-term courses of MPs. Lieutenants. The selection of their particular issue.
      And the officer rank raises prestige, money and comfort in the group (well, here you need to understand this subtlety).
    2. 0
      18 March 2020 16: 12
      In vain you are so ... Life will make our sergeants clean their faces! And the lieutenants at this time will be engaged in others, with what is due.
      1. -4
        18 March 2020 16: 20
        In battle, squad their squad will squash their sergeants on the wall of our sergeants.
        1. 0
          18 March 2020 17: 22
          Well, this still needs to be seen! ... Of course, if we put fifty-kilogram underfoods on our side, and on their side there are two hundred kilogram amballas, then maybe so.
          But still, I hope that the level of training of sergeants of the leading countries of the world is not far from each other! Therefore - ours should finish theirs !!!
          1. +1
            18 March 2020 18: 34
            We are talking about a full-fledged battle (field training) with the use of small arms and grenade launchers, in which the American squad leader tactically defeats the Russian squad leader.
            1. 0
              19 March 2020 09: 08
              The answer is accepted. You are five.
  11. +1
    12 March 2020 09: 39
    The time of statutory battle formations has passed

    Have fun! What is it like? Everyone should act as his left leg wanted?
    There is no dear friend, the combat regulations require acting so as to win. And it is written in blood.
    But the fact that the military regulations do not reflect the procedure for actions in a regional or local conflict, or in the fight against semi-partisan formations, has been spoken about for 40 years now, criticized by the Ministry of Defense, and things are still there. But this is a separate song.
    The author raised a relevant topic, it is multifaceted and clearly stands out for the volume of the article.
  12. +2
    12 March 2020 09: 54
    I think that many will agree, a lieutenant after a college (institute in a new way) and a lieutenant after serving in a position for two years are two big differences. I still remember with honor my company commander, who created a commander out of me and I was ultimately able to show results. In the same way, he taught his officers, for whom he is not ashamed. During the period of Serdyukovism, by the way, there was a decree prohibiting the teaching staff from giving examples and situations from their experience, these are from the stories of my acquaintances teachers at NVVKUS. In my opinion, at present, this factor of formation is weakened, there are no real commanders from the company and above who have made a career in real conditions. Plus, the general tendency in the "democratization" of army realities and the degradation of social foundations, increased knocking out of the masculine principle in the service, the absence of real leverage from the commander, the duration of conscript service ...
    1. +4
      12 March 2020 11: 58
      As an example, I got the experience of the war in Afghanistan (classified as secret) after Ch. Company in July 2000. The question arises ... why not earlier, when they left .... then they invented the "bicycle" Thanks to the officers from the military department 100% Afghan veterans, so they gave a lot of useful information with their stories. According to the conversations of the graduates, the films they are "played" are real, special filming was carried out and conclusions were drawn. The main thing is that the spirit of the graduate should be a DEFENDER-WARRIOR, and not a careerist and SUV.
  13. +2
    12 March 2020 10: 37
    "Can modern lieutenants independently carry out combat missions?"
    1. Can .but .. the price of bruises and bumps is NO experience (skills) ..
    2. Practical skills needed. More practice Less unnecessary disciplines. A monthly internship in the troops is good. But not enough ... At least for one period of training units
    3. In schools to train platoon commanders. And not officers of the all-Russian educational profile
    4. Lack of platoons, can go to the system of secondary military schools ..
    1. +2
      12 March 2020 13: 01
      Now, platoon officers are being trained from contract soldiers of unit commanders, making it possible to expeditiously graduate from any civilian university. So not only military schools train specialists.
  14. +6
    12 March 2020 11: 45
    Everything that is written in the article is not some specificity of the moment. Competent initiative officers were always needed and would be able to solve combat and other tasks in a non-standard way (the same Troshev also solved a lot with military diplomacy).
    But, as in all other spheres, sometimes much nepotism, deceitfulness, ostentatiousness, and concealment are sometimes ruining - so we must always judge by the result: who was released, how they were prepared, what are the shortcomings, and from this on time, and it is advisable and corrected ahead of schedule.
    Much more destructive state-political shyness: I managed to be both an "occupier" and "ate everyone" and "unwritten", and "werewolf" - all these are epithets grafted or blurted out from above by our strategists and generals.
    Destruction of centuries-old military schools with traditions - how is it compared to the shades of learning and relevance of combat manuals? Vein medicine in outsourcing - how is it? At the war with the polis in the German regional clinic - for a ticket?
    1. +2
      12 March 2020 12: 58
      I agree to everything in the comments, the private personnel of the shore. Nepotism is most likely not eradicated ... the army is a copy of society. The collapse of the USSR - the collapse of the system, as well as now the final collapse of the social achievements of the union - the stratification of society is terrible. Who, in the event of a war, will defend, and how many will leave the country for other countries for villas, mansions, etc. Basically, the children of the "elite" study in Western universities and absorb other people's values ​​... and as a result they go to power and whose values ​​they defend .... I would like to hope for the best, only very difficult ... There are no IDEAS, society has turned into a consumer society ....
  15. +2
    12 March 2020 12: 59
    Quote: grad2308
    Do not distort .... in Ch.R in 1999-2000 the so-called "jackets" by you accounted for 66-100% of the officer corps (the level of the company commander), 100% of the level of the platoon commander, battery

    I don’t know how it’s in Mabuta, but in the parachute landing companies of the combined pdb divisions of the Airborne Forces, brigades of the GRU and marines, SOBR, etc., there were never "biennials", the units were formed only by regular officers. With "two-year-olds" I served only in peacetime, as a company commander I can't say anything bad about them, because. I understood that the platoon commanders came from "civilian" and the majority did not associate their further fate with military service. They do not know many official nuances, there are few practical skills in working with l / s and daily activities, but, as a rule, they were very technically competent specialists, a year is given to become an officer, only after that he can be characterized.
    1. +1
      12 March 2020 13: 56
      Perhaps in the Airborne Forces you had it that way, in this case I do not give to "interfere" with "dirt" biennials, which often happens on the website and in life. Our reconnaissance team was also equipped with jackets, albeit in a different percentage, after a year of service as a motorized rifleman I was called to them. Was in a motorized rifle battalion and commander of 1 platoon and acting. company commander in one person (without political officer and platoon officers). He left the infantry to join the artillerymen (corporate ethics), "cleaned up" the face of the battalion commander (major, dad general), they would shut me down ..., but the personnel of the 1st company and individual platoons mutinied composition is unacceptable). As a result, he had to write a letter of resignation ... The soldiers said: Close the lieutenant, close the major (we went to the command post with a statement signed by 200 people). I think I did the right thing, although there was an emergency in the regiment. My devil does not tolerate any lawlessness ... As a result, the command post, I could not stand ..., from the "front end" as a "club" from the infantry trenches did not get out, and the intelligence "pulled" to walk with her, like officers from the artillery battalion (as spotters). It was and was arrested there .... a couple of times ... but in the end, I had to train intelligence for special devices ... and use them, as well as "reflash" the radio station, and back to the "front". Therefore, I was not visiting for 9 months ...
    2. +2
      12 March 2020 14: 35
      Regarding the CATHEDRAL ... I don't want to offend either, he was present during the assault on Alkhan-Yurt, but he was 4th in the chain in battle formations ... To a direct question ... 25-35 year old men, why ... not ahead ...: I want to live .... Gelayevsky special forces and Arabs, chained under drugs in pillboxes, were "made" by simple 18-20 year old guys from the infantry, at the cost of losses (which and why, I will not decipher, who knows ... , but in the deployed companies in the platoons there were sometimes 12-14 people).
      1. 0
        12 March 2020 22: 01
        “I don’t know how it is in Mabuta, but in the parachute airborne companies of the combined pdb divisions of the Airborne Forces, brigades of the GRU and marines, SOBR, etc., there were never“ two-year students ”, the units were formed only by regular officers." By the way, the GRUs were more honest when they were strengthened to fight snipers for 2-3 days - they honestly admitted that they were not "able" in time. In positions, count any of the personnel from private to officer kept notebooks with a pencil for a week or two, according to the time the enemy moved and the time of the shot, in order to punish with direct fire - three or four BMPs, tanks or artillery battalion fire and catch the "bastards" alarming fire (observation was systematized) and there was a preemptive response. They don't write this in books and recommendations, it was accumulated with blood. In the GRU, they are also different people. ))) War, teaches very quickly ...
  16. +2
    12 March 2020 16: 50
    If "modern" lieutenants cannot, then "modern" generals are hardly capable.
  17. -2
    12 March 2020 17: 39
    Quote: chenia
    Letecha-platoon understands the level and tasks of the higher (two links) formation

    The American sergeant - squad leader also understands. Naturally, an experienced sergeant must be compared with an experienced lieutenant.

    The US Army benefits from a more thoughtful training program for military personnel, multiple large hours for field training, and many different simulators.

    In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, the lieutenant to the captain, the captain to the major, etc.
    1. +1
      12 March 2020 20: 53
      Quote: Operator
      In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, ...

      It could be said simpler: the US sergeant corresponds to the current position, and the lieutenant of the Russian Federation does not correspond to the current position, and this means that the entire vertical that manages the training system in the RF Armed Forces is not functioning.
      1. 0
        12 March 2020 20: 58
        The system of tactical training of the lower-level command personnel of the army functions worse in the Russian Federation than in the USA - this will be more accurate.
        1. +1
          13 March 2020 13: 42
          At first it seemed that you diagnosed a significant problem, but if only "a little worse", then everything is just fine. Excellent. Not bad. Satisfactorily.
  18. +2
    13 March 2020 00: 01
    Quote: Operator
    In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, the lieutenant to the captain, the captain to the major, etc.

    no, it’s not so, it’s fundamentally wrong, because these ranks are not comparable, first decide on the ranks and positions, and then flop on your knees, otherwise you will bow to that.
  19. -2
    13 March 2020 14: 53
    Quote: iouris
    a little bit worse

    No need to ascribe to me your rating.
  20. 0
    17 March 2020 19: 41
    As dear military officers told me, when I got a lieutenant in the war, I started from scratch, and sergeants and soldiers taught me
  21. 0
    18 March 2020 17: 27
    The topic raised is interesting, complex, multifaceted, and, I think, many have something to say from the experience of their personal past.