Can modern lieutenants independently carry out combat missions


Very often I hear conversations of veterans of the army and fleet in the style of "Not like the current tribe ..." I admit, this happened to me too. When you arrive somewhere at the training ground and you see frank commander "mistakes" that are shown by young officers ... Probably, this is the way the person works. He quickly forgets how he started himself, and requires subordinates to have knowledge, skills and experience comparable to their own.


And the issue of training young officers today is much more acute than ever. The fighting, in which our armed forces took part, revealed not just a change in tactics of warfare, but also presented completely new requirements for junior commanders and unit commanders.

Previously, the basic requirement for the squad, platoon and company commander was to solve stereotypical tasks in accordance with the requirements of combat manuals, manuals and manuals, but today this is clearly not enough. Today, any of the commanders, regardless of the unit that he commands at the present time, is obliged not only to follow the orders of higher commanders, but also to correctly assess the current situation, to effectively solve the assigned tasks not only in standard, but also in non-standard ways.

Now I will say a seditious thing that will cause negative emotions among many veterans of the army. The time of statutory battle formations has passed. Exactly! Note, I did not write that it is not necessary to study combat manuals. On the contrary, the commander must know the combat manual so that it bounces off the teeth. In modern combat, the forms of construction are of positive importance only when the commander has the ability and skill to choose the most optimal form for a particular case, a specific battle.

So, we again return to the fact that today the sergeant or junior officer is obliged to correctly assess the situation, make the right decision and, most importantly, ensure its implementation by personnel. It is obliged to do this, if necessary, independently, without the order of a senior commander, as an independent combat unit.

The fact that such changes are taking place is understood by both the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff. This can already be judged by the fact that the annual army organized and held an annual competition to solve tactical problems among cadets of military universities and officers up to and including the battalion level. Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.

Now a legitimate question arises. Maybe fathers-commanders are right? Will it be possible for lieutenants who are trained in specific programs and teaching officers and often for a long time engaged in teaching, rather than serving in military units? Therefore, it is difficult to agree with the fact that they, teachers, manage to follow the innovations encountered by combat units during combat missions.

Of course, I cannot speak for all the universities of Russia, but the reviews of the commanders, periodically receiving young lieutenants in their subordination, are mostly positive. Moreover, many officers even speak of some arrogance of young officers, in the positive sense of the word. "Insolent, but the commander will turn out good from him."

It turns out that our military department has taken steps to solve this problem. Teachers for working with cadets are actively “diluted” with commanders with combat experience. So the teachers are also learning. Those who have already mastered the teaching art perfectly convey the experience of working with cadets to those recently from the troops. And vice versa, the "troops" talk about the experience of battles, about the latest in tactics used by the enemy, about the methods of conducting modern combat.

In general, modern universities in their essence, in terms of teaching, are somewhat similar to military schools and pre-war schools. Lieutenants are taught exactly what is needed in a war. Therefore, graduates - lieutenants - are trained to independently carry out combat missions.

Another thing is that a fairly impressive portion of the officers still quit. The shortage of junior officers remains. And commanders are forced to complete units at the expense of graduates of civilian universities. Which generally reduces the training of officers. The problem of training officers in civilian universities deserves a separate discussion.
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  1. Andrey VOV 12 March 2020 06: 22 New
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    It seems to me that those young people who go to military schools, most do it consciously and with great desire, hence the desire in a good sense to make a career of a real, not a parquet general. And God forbid that this continues. I encountered when I was serving in the army with the so-called “jacket”, well, it was clearly not him and, in general, our foreman-ensign, uncle really with the experience of Afghanistan, took over his functions .... and the boy then died, the kingdom of heaven
    1. grad2308 12 March 2020 07: 15 New
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      Do not distort ..., in Ch.r in 1999-2000, the so-called "jackets" made up 66-100% of the officers (level of company commander), 100% the level of platoon commander, battery. Now it’s convenient to “interfere” with them or “not with smarts”, but in the press with drunks and drunkards ... But in fact, after the collapse of the USSR .... they “closed” the lack of officers in the army by a decree of the president. The vast majority of personnel after schools broke the contract for service mismatch .... there were a minimum of them - both as platoon commander and company commander. Example: Kantemirovskaya and Taman divisions. They were mainly replaced by combat losses. And as an unfortunate "Hochma" ..... we were replaced by the personnel chief of artillery of the regiment ..... in general, I had to train him ... but mentally killed something else ... a clean award sheet and the phrase .... I for the arrival of the order put ..... June 2000. Starfall awards to biennials were not ...., mainly .... received personnel of a higher level. Answer who goes the most under bullets .... - answer the platoon, company commander yourself ...
      1. grad2308 12 March 2020 07: 36 New
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        You can delete the account .... In fact .... You idealize personnel, with "crap" interfere with the two-year-old ..... I have the honor !!!! PS I said softly in the comments ...., the realities were more controversial.
        1. Jarserge 12 March 2020 09: 45 New
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          Naturally, the truth is somewhere in the middle. I came across with “jackets” for my service enough. I even had a regiment commander from the "jackets" I will say this is a very worthy officer, he graduated from the General Staff Academy in due time. But in fact, the problem is that the number of normal specialists among staff and jackets has such an attitude: out of five staff officers, one comes across (not a drunk man, an adaptionist or just a short-sighted person), and out of five “jackets” there are four opportunists who hid in the army from women with , debts, and other life troubles. At the same time, they don’t understand the services, they don’t want to serve, and on occasion they tell what kind of "non-profiters" are around and here they are .... And what is your general attitude towards these people?
        2. grad2308 12 March 2020 11: 05 New
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          To the "branch", which appeared below. I’ll tell you about my trip in a minibus two years ago (a trip from one city to another), three cadets came in. Napping ... they started talking. One dad has a boss in the Ministry of Emergencies, the rest are simple guys from low-income families. Who has "dad" - academic performance pulls the school; those who are simple - they are drawn by their own work in studies, and they try to go to competitions, gain ... so-called points. They considered the future life after graduation. So who has "dad" - you need to marry correctly ..... to the daughter of the commander .... Those that are simple must first of all be honest and responsible. These simple guys will make honest and correct officers of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Emergencies - they will pull everything in the service, since the approach is correct (the very “horses” that pull everyone). It will be necessary and life will be given without hesitation. P.S. In life, again, not entirely correct nepotism .... generations, and selection for schools ... you yourself know how ... (the same "bearded" joke, son of Papa Colonel ... will he be a son of a general ...). I really hope that, according to the aforementioned, there will be MOST OF THOSE with the right approach, both from simple families and from military dynasties - BY YOUR WORK and THEN !!!
          1. Jager 14 March 2020 12: 01 New
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            And he will be the first to command those two. Alas, se la vi.
            1. Kaetani 18 March 2020 21: 14 New
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              Engines now rule the army very, very ...
      2. Finches 12 March 2020 07: 38 New
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        And here is not your truth! A similar thing about jackets was observed in the first Chechen company, and in the second, even before the Basayev campaign in Dagestan in August, all the country's colleges mass-issued personnel lieutenants on March 27-April 1, bringing the staffing of primary posts to 80% and allowing for almost full-blooded combat smoothing divisions before the start of the company. First, yes, the word "consolidated" battalion, regiment ... a manned God knows how and by whom, has become a household name and this is another, only Yeltsin’s military crime.
        1. Senior manager 12 March 2020 08: 01 New
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          Quote: Finches
          full-blooded combat smoothing units

          Or maybe it’s still co-ordination
          1. Finches 12 March 2020 08: 05 New
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            Yes, I’m writing from the phone in the subway, it’s not convenient, and he then also words, the Chinese infection, formats in his own way laughing
        2. AK1972 12 March 2020 12: 03 New
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          Quote: Finches
          And here is not your truth!

          True true! At the time of the beginning of the 2nd Chechen regiment, my regiment was 80% equipped with jackets, personnel just started to come up. And the two-year-olds went to fight, as they were nice. At that time I was already in the state, waiting for debt. But somehow I felt uncomfortable, my friends left, and I ... I wrote a report on the conclusion of a new contract, went to the Communist Party. And he says to me: "You will go to war only if I command you, go home, have children and throw nonsense out of your head." Play the original text does not allow site rules. After this conversation, I received a salary and VPA very quickly. As for personnel lieutenants, the holy truth is also. Serving the year and breaking the contract for non-compliance by the state was a mass phenomenon, naturally, not everyone did it. And when, after the war, the regiment returned to the PAP and was staffed by staff officers, 100% fellow soldiers told me that the KP told the staff junior officers: "I would have to disperse you and bring back my jackets."
          1. AK1972 12 March 2020 12: 25 New
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            In fairness, it should be noted that not all of the “jackets” turned out to be commanders. Anything happened, someone by nature once ... a guild, someone by the nature of character is not able to command, someone is a chronic drunk. But no one asked us, they called on the Motherland, they served.
          2. Finches 12 March 2020 12: 43 New
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            So you have a situation, but I watched a little different! Personnel left, but not in large quantities, the jacket, the jacket, as well as the frame, the frame is different, but the frame is a frame so that you don’t say ... I was a company, then I commanded a battalion and had seen enough! A lot depends on a person!
            1. AK1972 12 March 2020 12: 53 New
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              With mass, I went too far, it was necessary to write "it was a frequent occurrence." Otherwise, I completely agree with you. In my company, all three of the platoons were “jackets,” with the 1st and 3rd graduates of my same faculty and I knew them from the institute. It cannot be said that they performed their duties negligently, but somehow gradually and without a twinkle, treating the service as inevitable trouble. Do not take it for boasting, but during his absence the company always left me, even though I commanded the 2nd platoon.
          3. grad2308 12 March 2020 20: 02 New
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            And he says to me: "You will go to war only if I command you, go home, have children and throw nonsense out of your head."
            You are lucky KP - a real man and dad with a capital letter !!!! PS I can’t call my KP so, for him I am a “felon”. Thanks to the chief of staff of the regiment, who "covered" as much as he could, not everything depended on him, so I can call him DAD!
        3. grad2308 12 March 2020 18: 43 New
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          "and on the second, even before the Basayev campaign in Dagestan in August, all the country's schools mass-issued personnel lieutenants on March 27-April 1, bringing the staffing of primary posts to 80% and allowing almost full-blooded combat smoothing of units before the start of the company"
          Regarding ... the so-called early release ...., two personnel officers came into the company, one put in comforters, the second in my position as commander of 1 platoon, as a result, while they left 3 months ..., he worked with company (in 1 week one day-night firing + outfits, in 2 week two day-night firing (i.e., early rise at 5 in the morning, at 6 breakfast and on foot to the 8 km training ground, at lunch back on foot for lunch, weapons to the pyramids ... after the return, they brought dinner in the end, but left the training ground at one or two nights Yes, 30ku, 5,45, 7,62 on sledges themselves dragged to the training ground ..... At best, one day off per month. You’ll be removed from the outfit, the next outfit again. But these "eagles" are not visible .... they are persuaded and paid salaries .... As a result, I “rebelled ....” I expressed everything at the meeting in person - they put it in separate platoons: communications, GDV, software (out of 40 pieces of equipment, 6 were operational). As a result, he repaired 32 units, with the hard work of soldiers and his own, knocking out spare parts in division warehouses and rummaging in garbage dumps of broken equipment. The soldiers from separate platoons gave their salaries to the "spacers" to the ensign in warehouses for spare parts. I also went to the outfits .... From the plus point - KP fulfilled the "promise" and all the individual platoons left for two weeks in the informal. vacation). You would comrade Zyablitsov "pulled" in one person ..... Ernichayu ..., but it's true of life ....
          1. grad2308 12 March 2020 19: 24 New
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            Notice I'm not complaining, this is life. With the new battalion commander "did not work out" ... But in the end there was a huge choice, despite my explosive nature and correctness: remrot (comfor) or deputy. beg. the armored service, the company of material support (comot), reconnaissance (commander), the artillery department of the regiment, and the position of the head of the KECh. He would have gone to KECh (or he would “walk” quickly according to ranks / or would “sit down”). He went into the artillery, wanted a quiet life and service .... What was, was ... .. Service 4 years, acting in captain-major posts (in the context of military operations, and not one in combination) - and eternal starling ....
            1. grad2308 12 March 2020 19: 49 New
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              Yes, I’m talking to myself .....) the regiment was commander of the 9th company Kostya H., the eternal captain (1 Chechen behind, and there were two officers with combat experience in the regiment) the soldiers truly respected, his subordinates are now gnawing at anyone throat for insult. Shamanov in Ch., Almost demoted to ordinary, and Kostya was right. He returned to the unit as a major, graduated from the Military Academy, left to accept the unit - his heart refused. Here on such personnel and the army keeps !!!! Rest in peace!!!
      3. Andrey VOV 12 March 2020 08: 38 New
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        Well, dear, I don’t distort anything. And gave an example of the first Chechen one. Where I was an conscript and our commander’s platoon was two-year-old, completely green, that’s all, it was before my eyes, and this does not mean that everyone is “jackets” were bad commanders, they were different, so read carefully, and in the second war I was in a different status there and did not intersect with such platoons, that's all.
      4. garrett 12 March 2020 09: 07 New
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        in Ch.r in 1999-2000, the so-called “jackets” you made up 66-100%

        I will not argue with you, I will share my experience ... Ch.R. 2000-2001, 33 OBRON 90% - staff officers (company unit and above 100%), the opinion of “jackets” - for the most part this is quiet horror
      5. Gvardeetz77 12 March 2020 09: 35 New
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        The fact that the "jackets" went to the Chechen Republic as part of a tag and I will not deny the First Guards, but that you are very strong, as it were, to put it more kindly, to dissemble. Yes, a lot of cowards were quit, but the division was large, at first they were replaced from other parts of the compound, and a year and a half later, the truth was already being recruited from the district.
        1. ser56 12 March 2020 10: 22 New
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          Quote: Gvardeetz77
          Yes, there’s a lot of staff who got scared,

          as there Vershigory - personnel exist for parades, and accountants are fighting .... bully
          1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 18 March 2020 16: 02 New
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            Well, this is not a pure Vershigory expression, it is well known. Yes, personnel will take the first blow, and then the people will fight: locksmiths, collective farmers, teachers, accountants ...
            After the institute, I myself served a “jacket” for 1,5 years and not bad at the end of the 1980s. And other guys, too, offered to many and stay. In general, we are all different - bad officers can be both among personnel and among “jackets”.
        2. grad2308 12 March 2020 11: 22 New
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          1 regiment was in the second echelon ..., the company commanders were understaffed from the 15th regiment (in particular from the tank battalion, and I have nothing against the personnel) and the rest of the 2nd guard division (with a pine forest). You know the number of cowards in your regiment yourself. As you know, the fact that after Alkhan-yurt the 15th should have been sent for reformation ...., as well as the fact that the 15th remained one of the 2 motorized rifle regiments and 4 landing regiments, which since July 2000 remained e-nt the number of years in the territory of Ch. It is about not making a difference .... everyone did their duty and mostly honestly. In Ch. 9 months, a two-year-old officer came to replace me altogether, not from our division ... YES and on June 15, 2000 I had 2 years from call to call, I left on June 30 so consider ..... how was the replacement , besides .... that it was not counted. In the hostel, the commandant fainted ..., two officers. a funeral is not a red word. And the guys from the art division, who served for 2-3 months, two-year-olds left for the war with the regiment, returned after 10 months of hostilities and what I had to decide in the group about replacing them ... The authorities didn’t go for it, but I had nothing to lose .
          1. Gvardeetz77 12 March 2020 19: 56 New
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            Well, I myself am not indigenous from the infantry regiments, our modest separate battalion both “strengthened”, but only personnel and “small-caliber” lieutenant generals and colonel generals came from us :). They didn’t send jackets from us, although there were also plenty of them, and a couple were very worthy, better than the average staff.
            1. grad2308 12 March 2020 20: 23 New
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              "Gvardeetz77 (Anatoly) Well, I’m not native to the infantry regiments, our modest separate battalion both" strengthened ", but only personnel and" small-caliber "lieutenant generals and colonel generals came from us :)." No offense, we understood each other, it turned out that I opened too much, who ... and where. In fact, I got away and the artillery division officers were helped by my acquaintance at the ZAS with the officer from the group (it is believed that it is impossible to determine by voice, but certain overtones of voice and the formation of sentences are possible). He had a second business trip in June to the group, he recognized me too - he had to work together on goals. Thanks to him, he escaped himself (replacement), found a replacement for noun. to the chief of artillery (the chief of staff of the artillery regiment from the division) and to the guys from the artillery division (by their direct order - without replacement). We really were not allowed to travel abroad ..... than we could — helped! I had to “train” my replacement and the new chief of artillery for 2 weeks (the last four months, we had been steaming with my boss - my night was from 20.00 to 8.00, his day).
              1. grad2308 12 March 2020 20: 47 New
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                1 regiment (the last parking lot behind Shatoi is closer to Georgia) will never forgive 15ka - we lost 80% of reconnaissance, which we threw into the last parking lot for temporary reinforcement, and there was a militant base of 450 snouts at hand (while 1 regiment stood, they "didn’t twitched "). Until now, there are “snowdrops” in front of our eyes - the boys were being chased by dogs, they were leaving the water (digging, heavy in the snow), they dragged the lungs with them. PS Events after the Pskov paratroopers, the losses were written off for several weeks .., they didn’t get into the press (they didn’t give the heroes, posthumously the Order of Courage).
                1. grad2308 12 March 2020 21: 22 New
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                  As the heroes were not given to soldiers and officers for Alkhan-Yurt. “Steered” Sh., After the 4th heart, he was seized, they took him away and thank God ..., followed by 4 “imitations” with artillery preparation, they took it on the 9th. Those regiments have the same scores for the loss of personnel to Sh. For "frontal" attacks on reinforced concrete pillboxes and chained Arabs with the Gela residents. After that, Alkhan-Kala surrendered without a fight.
              2. Gvardeetz77 13 March 2020 08: 56 New
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                Of course you get it! What insults, just emotions that do not always need to be splashed out, and the letters will not convey the intonation, and what is written is not so perceived. You better tell me (remember when listing familiar names in the posts), because you were in the hell, did you or did you have a case with a saushka in which a long-standing tree "grew" in the trunk and remains forever in it? :) And then, if not the God of War, I already know everything only in the form of a bike ...
                1. grad2308 13 March 2020 10: 35 New
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                  Not with me, before the Argun Gorge, there were workers in the artillery battalion. After going through it through the Vedeno gorge and mountain Dagestan (Donkey’s ear), then the Argun gorge went down 4 dryers (part of those who did not go went to irrevocable ones, some were collected, mostly lost in Argun). The last place of my stay, Akhkinchu-Borzoi, was already a shortage in the artillery division. It is quite possible that they were understaffed with the equipment of the withdrawn parts and this could be, since there was a ban on the withdrawal of equipment to the "big" land for the impossibility of hitting unaccounted for weapons and such a bike appeared. There is a bike: Rottweiler "Linda - lace panties"; a cat (her behavior) and preparation for moving (a day before the order), receives codograms earlier than CP; The "ball" in the art division, which knows in which car the field kitchen is attached and sits in the car, is waiting for the ensign (the kitchen is not attached), number of units. car Imagine the technology in the division.
      6. knn54 12 March 2020 10: 24 New
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        I would like to know if MODERN colonels / generals can correctly and clearly set tasks?
      7. bandabas 12 March 2020 12: 39 New
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        Dear grad2308! All this has gone back to '94. Swam, we know soldier Honestly, I was not there, I was lucky, but the chance was enormous. hi
      8. Alexey RA 12 March 2020 17: 52 New
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        Quote: grad2308
        Do not distort ..., in Ch.r in 1999-2000, the so-called "jackets" made up 66-100% of the officers (level of company commander), 100% the level of platoon commander, battery.

        In the early 2000s I saw an interview with the regiment commander of one of the "court" divisions. So he directly said that he has one company commander from the personnel, and all the rest are “two-piece jackets”. smile
    2. Alex Nevs 12 March 2020 08: 46 New
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      Reached complete insanity. 1. You go and the hand does not fall. 2. At school, NVP shot, disassembled and cleaned more than in the army. But this is the 90s. Discipline and Order is of course a necessity, but rub the parade ground with shoe polish, or paint the yellow leaves in green.
  2. Finches 12 March 2020 06: 22 New
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    This is my sore subject! Perhaps I am subjective and look through the prism of my generation, but ... lieutenants, graduates of schools built on the basis of the Soviet Army School - with barracks without hot water, with beds in two tiers, guardhouses, outfits and guards, very strong field training - when they threw without all the frost for survival or the “mega-idiotic” (as I think) cross-country skiing “500 Siberian kilometers” (and if you don’t, you won’t go to leave), with the famous PLO and PZO ... Or today, the students are wrapped in cotton , he’s been kissing his pink ass for 5 years ... The dorm rooms are equipped with all conveniences, there are no clothes, they don’t peel potatoes, they don’t even know what the Shoemaker’s Corner is ... They don’t sleep in the fields in tents - otherwise get sick ... In short, if earlier 9 out of 10 graduates completed the task on their own, today 50 to 50 is not a fact! God grant that I was wrong!
    1. maidan.izrailovich 12 March 2020 06: 30 New
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      ... today it’s 50 to 50 and it’s not a fact! God grant that I was wrong !.

      Judging by the last phrases of your protracted monologue, you do not know about the real situation.
      But there are examples from life. By which one can judge the young generation of officers.
      Why didn’t you remember about Alexander Prokhorenko who caused fire on himself in Syria? And about our other guys in Syria. After all, there are entirely young people. And they did not shame the honor of the uniform. Worthy of military duty.
      1. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 06: 34 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Why didn’t you remember about Alexander Prokhorenko who caused fire on himself in Syria?

        Senior Lieutenant Prokhorenko. by that time he was no longer a "green summer". and if it had not been necessary to cause fire on himself, he would have been a major by this moment.
        1. Finches 12 March 2020 06: 40 New
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          These are internal human qualities data from birth - and I wrote about education and training! Do you understand?
      2. Finches 12 March 2020 06: 39 New
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        I apologize, when were you in the army the last time?
      3. Alex Nevs 12 March 2020 08: 48 New
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        Such are very memorable. And not only Prokhorenko. "Work Brothers."
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        All young people? There are very few volunteers there
    2. Terenin 12 March 2020 06: 48 New
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      Quote: Finches
      In short ... 50 to 50 and that is not a fact
      that’s exactly, because this article of 50/50 can both be criticized and praised yes
      This is just the theme for our "sofa" wink
      1. novel66 12 March 2020 07: 35 New
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        Gene, do not be discouraged - your sofa is not the worst line of defense! Hello my friend! hi
        1. Terenin 12 March 2020 07: 48 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          Gene, do not be discouraged - your sofa is not the worst line of defense! Hello my friend! hi

          hi
          That's for sure, Roma. But I want, at times, to run away to the attack bully near
          1. Yngvar 12 March 2020 09: 11 New
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            Quote: "But, I want, at times, to run to the attack not far!"
            Me too!!!
            Especially looking at what they did to the military schools!
    3. rotmistr60 12 March 2020 06: 53 New
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      Zyablitsev (Eugene)
      This is my sore subject! ...
      I partially agree with you. finished the combined arms back in 1976 with outfits, guards, lack of hot water (bath once a week). But recently I watched a report about my native FOCUS and you know the combat and physical training at a high level as in the old days. Cadets are brave guys who know their job very well. Therefore, I agree with the author
      Lieutenants are taught exactly what is needed in a war. Therefore, graduates - lieutenants - are trained to independently carry out combat missions
      1. carstorm 11 12 March 2020 08: 08 New
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        Well, in Good and in my time it was good with it) I always liked to watch when on firing after our salvos BMP neighbors bounced)))))
      2. Sergey79 12 March 2020 08: 32 New
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        And I disagree with the author on many points. Since I know this issue from different angles. 1. Teachers are constantly on business trips, they know the realities. 2. The main problem is the level of school education. 50 percent of cadets do not even know the multiplication tables (they multiply 6x8 on a calculator). 3. Young officers have no desire to put into practice what they were taught (experience comes in 5 years). 4. The worst thing is that now a lot of officers 40-45 years old are retiring (due to changes in legislation).
        1. tatarin1972 12 March 2020 09: 25 New
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          - Lieutenant - He knows nothing, knows nothing.
          Recognizes himself as a great boss.
          Dreams of becoming a general.
          - Senior Lieutenant - Something I learned, something I learned.
          Realizes that besides him there are bosses and older.
          Dreams to rise to the "colonel".
          - Captain - Learned a lot, learned a lot.
          Recognizes his intermediate position in the hierarchy of bosses.
          Dreams of getting a major.
          - Major - He knows everything, he knows everything. He does everything for everyone.
          Recognizes its insignificance against the background of superiors.
          Dreams - to lay down on a pension and finally get enough sleep.
          - Lieutenant Colonel - I began to forget everything that I knew and knew.
          Realizes only the size of the salary.
          She dreams of doing nothing.
          - Colonel - He knows nothing, does nothing.
          Recognizes himself as a great boss.
          Dreams not to get fired.
          http://ruanekdot.ru
      3. chenia 12 March 2020 11: 06 New
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        Quote: rotmistr60
        with outfits, guards,


        But don't they practice it now? And the kitchen (only 4 courses were released in my time)?
        I do not think that the level in terms of combat training has now fallen. But in terms of psychological stability, certain difficulties of the domestic plan in the field are desirable. This quickly teaches us how to achieve comfort with improvised means. Well, in VU to raise the level of physical fitness (by the way, a new generation looks like healthier than ours, only more relaxed), to ranks and ranks ..
    4. carstorm 11 12 March 2020 07: 03 New
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      Well, you juggle of course) life is changing and conditions too) in the ass they just don’t kiss) and as for joining the troops, it’s very important where you get. a lieutenant is a diamond. gemstone. but he needs a cut to become a diamond. I know cases from life how you can turn a clever girl into mediocrity simply by the fact that his immediate superiors and the atmosphere in part are, to put it mildly, strange. I was lucky. there were excellent officers in the battalion and immediately took them under the wing. in two years they taught a lot. although I had to practically live in part)
      1. Anatole Klim 12 March 2020 09: 10 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        but he needs a cut

        He graduated from a military school in distant Soviet times. I really learned to command, with all responsibility, when in the third year I began to ride as the head of the guard. We had a training center in our school, which was located 20 km from the city and was assigned a traveling guard there, where the senior sergeant was the commander and the guards were junior cadets. At the same time, the inspectors were tearing up the inspectors with renewed vigor and correctly doing the visiting cadet guard, away from the school, under the protection of which the weapons depots, equipment, and property of the NZ. All responsibility for the service is on me, I immediately warned that anyone would fly in, I would begin executing - working out the introductory assault on the guardhouse, assault on the post, he himself ran ahead, God forbid, whoever lags behind, repeating the introductory knowledge of the charter of the garrison and guard services - no one sleeps until he passes; order in the guardroom and on the territory. I went to constantly check posts, returned and did not reach the guardhouse, turned around and again went to posts. The sentries relaxed, because they were only checked, the deputy chief could not warn them on the phone, he thought I was still checking. He caught one - he sits on the tower, hanging his legs, the second took out a hacked cigarette and smokes, the third unfastened his bayonet-knife and throws it into a tree. I was tired very much, but I was young and strong for 20 years in all.
        P.S. Many years later he met his former guard, who had already served as an officer, so he said:
        - I’m those guards, I still remember and organize the service myself.
    5. Edward Vashchenko 12 March 2020 08: 19 New
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      Absolutely, alas.
      Plus, a huge number of future officers in the SA who served urgent.
      1. Andrey VOV 12 March 2020 08: 43 New
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        I agree with what the young lieutenant will fall into the hands of, so to speak .... I am from a military family, lived in a military town, a guy arrived at the site after school, but he served in the army before him, that's where there was a thirst for service, the fire burned ... and fell into the hands of an excellent commander .. now here’s the FSO colonel, the son of an officer ... and the other came to drink with him to hell ... sorry
  3. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 06: 24 New
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    two came to our division after school, constantly ran to the "grandfathers" of conscript conscripts to ask ... nothing, quickly got involved, they do not teach experience at the school.
  4. Uncle lee 12 March 2020 06: 26 New
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    And still relevant.
    1. novel66 12 March 2020 07: 37 New
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      yeah! and that sweat saves blood
      1. Senior manager 12 March 2020 08: 09 New
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        I'm kidding. In the words of “Twice Hero of the Soviet Union” Captain Nikiforov Viktor Andreevich (1493 OBS and RTO) - It’s hard to learn, it’s easy to be held captive.
        1. novel66 12 March 2020 08: 18 New
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          people of this caliber can do anything!
    2. Edward Vashchenko 12 March 2020 08: 20 New
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      And still relevant: "drone - a fool, a bayonet - well done" laughing
  5. New Year day 12 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    The problem of training officers in civilian universities deserves

    I will not say about the officers, I will say about the doctors who are reserve officers. The training in the specialty is disgusting, not ready for independent decisions. How will they provide assistance on the battlefield?
  6. Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 07: 10 New
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    Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.
    Rave. Our "kitchen" should remain ours, why call about it? Whoever is in the subject is informed. Do you want to invite the brazen to the contest? negative
    1. carstorm 11 12 March 2020 07: 24 New
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      in vain you are so. wide coverage provides an incentive for those who are going to connect life with the army and the opportunity to be visible to those who participate. The tasks there are ordinary and tactics are not particularly different from others. it is important how they apply them in a given situation. so whoever watches it will have little effect.
      1. Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 07: 42 New
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        This can already be judged by the fact that the Russian army has organized and is holding an annual competition to solve tactical problems among cadets of military universities and officers up to and including the battalion level. Unfortunately, the press pays little attention to this competition.
        Cadet competition, for example.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        wide coverage provides an incentive for those who intend to associate life with the army
        Coverage of the contest in the press encourages the examiners to devote themselves to the army? Sorry, but this is a diagnosis.
        1. carstorm 11 12 March 2020 08: 19 New
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          what does the exam have to do with it? Do you even understand what a career in the army is? There are several types of people going to military schools. such as myself, for example, who have all their lives since birth among the military. VCA then school. I didn’t even know what kind of institutes I had at all, since I practically didn’t represent anything from becoming a kindergarten officer .. there were those who, after serving the term, accepted this and decided to move along this path. and there are romantics who make decisions on emotions. that’s exactly for them it’s extremely important to show as much of any side of the service as possible. The popularity of the service is an extremely important matter.
          1. Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 08: 40 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            what does the exam have to do with it? Do you even understand what a career in the army is?

            Do you understandthat all pass the exam? Career ....
            romantics who make decisions on emotions. that’s exactly for them it’s extremely important to show as much of any side of the service as possible. The popularity of the service is an extremely important matter.
            I understand, I understand ..... Competition for solving tactical problems in the VVU.
            And you fool about which in general, not our romantic, careerist. Sorry, for me, "career" is an abusive word, from Soviet we are. request
            1. Den717 12 March 2020 09: 04 New
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              Do you understand that everyone is passing the exam?

              And when was the last time you saw KIM from the exam? Do you decide anything from it?
            2. Glory1974 12 March 2020 09: 24 New
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              Sorry, for me, "career" is an abusive word, from Soviet we are.

              Well, why so much about a career? There is nothing wrong with her. hi
              I recall the words of General Dragomirov: “A career is like a penis. On the one hand, every officer should have it. But it’s not decent to show it to people around you all the time.”
              1. Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 09: 40 New
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                Quote: glory1974
                Well, why so much about a career? There is nothing wrong with her.
                I recall the words of General Dragomirov
                Is he from the Soviet?
                According to A.F. Koni, General Dragomirov considered the Russian soldiers "holy cattle."

                Ah no, well then remember for yourself.
                1. Glory1974 12 March 2020 12: 03 New
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                  Is he from the Soviet?

                  But what, Soviet all without penis?
                  Well then remember for yourself.

                  Well then: "Every soldier has a marshal's baton in a backpack."
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                This general seems to have been acting at one time. Minister of Education of the Russian Empire, if I am not mistaken?
                1. Glory1974 18 March 2020 22: 35 New
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                  Honestly, I do not remember the govr. But he was seriously engaged in pedagogy.
                  1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 19 March 2020 09: 11 New
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                    ... too serious, however. No, generals cannot be made ministers of education or education — not those principles of approach! ... Okay, even in wartime, but in peace - in no case.
            3. carstorm 11 12 March 2020 09: 34 New
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              career is ambition. a man without ambition is sorry neither fish nor meat.
              1. KVIRTU 12 March 2020 12: 57 New
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                Yeah. Previously, in aviation, escorting retired aircraft technicians, they said, they say, over 20 years of excellent service, he has come a long way from lieutenant to senior lieutenant. Now everywhere in the air defense ranks are cut back, what a career. Plus the cork in the senior management, there they already serve to the stop, to the boundary. The circle is closed by the fact that the MO, forming an order for lieutenants, operates with an average duration of service, well, like the average temperature in a hospital. As a result, the regiment’s management staff, for example, is clogged, while the company and battalion are all vacant.
        2. Glory1974 12 March 2020 09: 29 New
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          Coverage of the contest in the press encourages the examiners to devote themselves to the army?

          Press coverage, making films about the army, publishing books, etc. creating an aura of masculinity around the military profession, the need for the country and respect in society stimulate young people to choose.
          Including coverage of the competition. He himself watched with pleasure about the competition of the platoon commander on the "Star" and both nephews, learned a lot for themselves.
          So you are wrong.
        3. Pavel Amarok 12 March 2020 09: 57 New
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          Mavrikiy, why the diagnosis? We did not choose the exam (the format for passing exams at the end of school). There are always those who, so to speak, are "dying in the army", why not give them an additional incentive?
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            why not give them an additional incentive?

            Explain about the additional stimulus from coverage in the press of the contest in the VVU for 2-3 courses.
            1. Pavel Amarok 12 March 2020 10: 09 New
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              I will say it as a “cur”, i.e. as a person who did not know the army from the inside (unfortunately): as an option to show their mental abilities at a level more serious than "Yes", "So for sure" and "I can not know," for example.
  7. rocket757 12 March 2020 07: 59 New
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    Very often I hear conversations of army and navy veterans in the style of "Not like the current tribe ..."

    This is the form .... of regret and envy that their time has passed.
    At any time there were different, heroes and not so.
  8. Edward Vashchenko 12 March 2020 08: 08 New
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    Now I’ll say a seditious thing that will cause negative emotions among many army veterans. The time of statutory battle formations has passed. Exactly!

    Just the opposite. If the charters become outdated, they are adapted to new combat conditions. This has been the case at all times. You can’t win the battle on one “insolence”. When it comes to "modern warfare", only anti-partisan military operations are Taldych: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria. But what about the experience of Debaltsev? This is the first. Second, the whole army is reduced to the level of infantry from PMCs (itself from the infantry), but what about the huge number of technically, high-tech specialties, what should they do? act by intuition? by intuition / So we will agree to "a fool's bullet, bayonet fellow".
    A combat charter is the foundation of the Armed Forces, without it there is no Army — a crowd of armed fighters, the Army was different from insurgents at all times, it’s another thing to adopt experience, tactical features, etc., the Roman army also — it did and adapted the Statutes 600 years ago, and did not live: The charter itself, the army life - in itself.
    The problem is that both the Army and the country live with us: the Charter (law) in itself, and everything else by concept.
    Only bringing the Charters to real modern combat requirements makes an army of the Army.
    1. Alex Nevs 12 March 2020 08: 54 New
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      I am for bringing the Charter to reality. At one time, this (dullness) completely broke off arms and legs, but after school it was different.
      1. Sergey79 12 March 2020 12: 04 New
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        Any charter, instruction is a collection of "average" recommendations that allow you to effectively perform the tasks that arise. If you know (justified) how to do better, then step back from the rules.
  9. Edward Vashchenko 12 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    Regarding the "young lieutenants," I will write a few words from personal observation.
    The most important problem that now exists is the extremely low level of knowledge that secondary schools provide to future officers, excuse me for being straightforward, in the “damned Soviet past” it is the level of a young fellow.
    All my classmates who entered the military school were in Assy in mathematics, this was required at school, entrance exams in high school
    Personally, I know that today's guys, even those who enter high-tech military institutions, are troeshniki from the USSR compared to them.
    And we, as it were, in the XNUMXst century.
    Here and further along the chain.
    1. Alex Nevs 12 March 2020 08: 57 New
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      Yes EVERYTHING then in the military commissar was on the level. Now it seems to be reborn. The main thing is not a “shaft plan”, because money is paid for this (shaft).
  10. Operator 12 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    A US Army sergeant has always been better trained than a CA / RA lieutenant. For example, the US special forces division is formed of sergeants, the same division of the Russian Federation - from officers.

    Conclusion - Russian lieutenants can independently carry out combat missions, but at the level of American sergeants.
    1. chenia 12 March 2020 16: 13 New
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      The US Army sergeant was always better prepared tactically than the SA lieutenant /


      No!!!
      Usually begin to compare. an old sergeant with a newly arrived fly. But if you compare the new Sergeant with him. And yet, as a rule, sergeants in the USA are trained for specific duties (narrow specialization), and officer tactical training of a wider level and understanding. Letecha-platoon understands the level and tasks of a higher (two-link) formation. And at school he was constantly in training (both as a commander and as a performer). Moreover, he has more in-depth knowledge (do not confuse methods of working on specific equipment, devices, etc.).

      The question of formation is the question of mastering a specific technique (several systems are studied in school, but you can only thoroughly know the one that I got to serve), and the main thing is to adjust the unit for yourself.

      Quote: Operator
      For example, US special forces


      And what is there tactical?
      Our special units were formed not only from VU. And from ultra-urgent ones, who were immediately turned into ensigns or short-term courses of MPs. Lieutenants. The selection of their particular issue.
      And the officer rank raises prestige, money and comfort in the group (well, here you need to understand this subtlety).
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 18 March 2020 16: 12 New
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      In vain you are so ... Life will make our sergeants clean their faces! And the lieutenants at this time will be engaged in others, with what is due.
      1. Operator 18 March 2020 16: 20 New
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        In battle, squad their squad will squash their sergeants on the wall of our sergeants.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 18 March 2020 17: 22 New
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          Well, this still needs to be seen! ... Of course, if we put fifty-kilogram underfoods on our side, and on their side there are two hundred kilogram amballas, then maybe so.
          But still, I hope that the level of training of sergeants of the leading countries of the world is not far from each other! Therefore - ours should finish theirs !!!
          1. Operator 18 March 2020 18: 34 New
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            We are talking about a full-fledged battle (field training) with the use of small arms and grenade launchers, in which the American squad leader tactically defeats the Russian squad leader.
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 19 March 2020 09: 08 New
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              The answer is accepted. You are five.
  11. Glory1974 12 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    The time of statutory battle formations has passed

    Have fun! What is it like? Everyone should act as his left leg wanted?
    There is no dear friend, the combat regulations require acting so as to win. And it is written in blood.
    But the fact that the military regulations do not reflect the procedure for actions in a regional or local conflict, or in the fight against semi-partisan formations, has been spoken about for 40 years now, criticized by the Ministry of Defense, and things are still there. But this is a separate song.
    The author raised a relevant topic, it is multifaceted and clearly stands out for the volume of the article.
  12. Li17 12 March 2020 09: 54 New
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    I think that many will agree, a lieutenant after school (a new institute) and a lieutenant after serving two years are two big differences. I still remember with honor the commander of the company, which made me a commander and I was ultimately able to show the result. In the same way, he taught his officers, for whom it is not a shame. In the period of Serdyukovschina, by the way, there was a decree prohibiting the teaching staff from giving examples and situations from their experience, this is from the stories of my acquaintances at the NVVKUS. In my opinion, at present, this factor of formation is weakened, there are no real commanders from a company or higher who have made a career in real conditions. Plus, the general trend is the "democratization" of army realities and the degradation of social foundations, increased knocking out of the male element in the service, the absence of real leverage for the commander, the validity of conscripts ....
    1. grad2308 12 March 2020 11: 58 New
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      As an example, I got the Experience of the war in Afghanistan (signature stamp) after Ch. Company in July 2000. The question arises ... why not earlier, when they left .... then they invented the "bicycle" Thanks to the officers from the military department 100% veterans of the Afghans, here they gave a lot of useful information with their stories. According to the graduates, the films were “twisted” for them by real ones, special shooting was conducted and conclusions were drawn. The main thing is that in spirit the graduate should be a WARRIOR-DEFENSE, and not a careerist and SUV.
  13. To be or not to be 12 March 2020 10: 37 New
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    "Can modern lieutenants independently carry out combat missions"
    1. Can .but .. the price of bruises and bumps is NO experience (skills) ..
    2. Practical skills needed. More practice Less unnecessary disciplines. A monthly internship in the troops is good. But not enough ... At least for one period of training units
    3. In schools to train platoon commanders. And not officers of the all-Russian educational profile
    4. Lack of platoons, can go to the system of secondary military schools ..
    1. grad2308 12 March 2020 13: 01 New
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      Now, platoon officers are being trained from contract soldiers of unit commanders, making it possible to expeditiously graduate from any civilian university. So not only military schools train specialists.
  14. faterdom 12 March 2020 11: 45 New
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    Everything that is written in the article is not some specificity of the moment. Competent initiative officers were always needed and would be able to solve combat and other tasks in a non-standard way (the same Troshev also solved a lot with military diplomacy).
    But, as in all other spheres, sometimes much nepotism, deceitfulness, ostentatiousness, and concealment are sometimes ruining - so we must always judge by the result: who was released, how they were prepared, what are the shortcomings, and from this on time, and it is advisable and corrected ahead of schedule.
    State-political shynesses are much more destructive: I managed to visit both the “occupier”, and “eaten everyone” and “unwritten”, and “werewolf” - these are all epithets grafted or blotted out from above by our strategists and generals.
    Destruction of centuries-old military schools with traditions - how is it compared to the shades of learning and relevance of combat manuals? Vein medicine in outsourcing - how is it? At the war with the polis in the German regional clinic - for a ticket?
    1. grad2308 12 March 2020 12: 58 New
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      I agree to everything in the commentary, the ordinary personnel of the coast. Cronyism, most likely not eradicated ... army tracing society. The collapse of the USSR - the collapse of the system, as now the final collapse of the social achievements of the union - the stratification of society is terrible. In the event of war, who will defend themselves, and how much from the country will go to other countries to villas, mansions, etc. Basically, the children of the "elite" study in Western universities and absorb other people's values ​​... and eventually go to power and whose values ​​they uphold .... I want to hope for the best, only it’s very difficult ... NO IDEAS, society has turned into a consumer society ....
  15. seacap 12 March 2020 12: 59 New
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    Do not distort ..., in Ch.r in 1999-2000 the so-called "jackets" made up 66-100% of the officers (level of company commander), 100% the level of platoon commander, batteries

    I don’t know how it was in the mabut, but in the parachute assault companies of the combined airborne infantry divisions of the Airborne Forces, GRU brigades and marines, SOBR, etc., there were never two-year-olds, the units were formed only by personnel officers. With "biennials" he served only in peacetime, as a company officer I can’t say anything bad about them, because I understood that the platoon members came from the “citizen” and the majority did not connect their further fate with military service. They do not know many of the official nuances, there are few practical skills in working with military personnel and everyday activities, but these, as a rule, were very technically competent specialists, a year is given for the formation of an officer, only after that he can be characterized.
    1. grad2308 12 March 2020 13: 56 New
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      Perhaps it was exactly like that in the airborne forces, in this case I don’t let the two-year-olds “interfere” with the “dirt”, which often happens on the site and in life. We also had intelligence outfits equipped with our jackets, although in a different percentage, after a year of service as a motorized rifle, they called me to them. He was in the motorized rifle battalion and commander of 1 platoon and acting company commander in one person (without political officer and platoons). He left the infantry to the gunners (corporate ethics), “cleaned” the battalion’s physiognomy (major, dad general), I would have been closed ... but the personnel of the 1st company and individual platoons rebelled (“scoop” drunk with their feet in “bearded” boots composition unacceptable). As a result, he had to write a report on dismissal ... The soldiers said: Close the lieutenant by closing the major (they went to the Communist Party with a statement signed by 200 people.). I think I did the right thing, even though there was an emergency on the shelf. My trait can’t endure any lawlessness ... As a result, KP, I could not stand me ...., I didn’t get out of the "trenches" as a "club" from the trenches of the infantry, and the reconnaissance "pulled" to walk with it, like the officers with artillery division (as spotters). It was also arrested there .... a couple of times ... but in the end, reconnaissance on special devices ... and use I had to train them, as well as “reflash” radio stations, and back to the “front end”. Therefore, not visiting was 9 months ....
    2. grad2308 12 March 2020 14: 35 New
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      Regarding the COLLECTION .... I also do not want to offend him, he was present during the assault on Alkhan-Yurt, but he was 4th in the chain in military formations .... To a direct question ... 25-35 year old men, why ... not ahead ...: I want to live .... Gelayevsky special forces and Arabs, chained under drugs in bunkers, "made" simple 18-20 year old guys from the infantry, at the cost of losses (which and why, I won’t decipher who knows ... but in deployed companies there were sometimes 12-14 people in platoons).
      1. grad2308 12 March 2020 22: 01 New
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        "I don’t know how it was in the mabut, but in the parachute assault companies of the combined airborne infantry divisions of the Airborne Forces, GRU brigades and marines, SOBR, etc., there were never two-year-olds, the units were formed only by personnel officers." By the way, the GRU officers were more honest when they were strengthened to fight snipers for 2-3 days - they honestly did not recognize the “we can” in time. On the positions, consider any of the personnel from the rank and file to the officer kept notebooks with a pencil for a week or two, according to the time of the enemy’s movement and the time of the shot, to punish with direct fire - three or four BMPs, tanks or artillery battalion fire and caught “scum”, as well as attempts disturbing fire (observation systematized) and there was a preemptive "response". In books and recommendations - they don’t write it, it was gained by blood. At the GRU, there are also different people. ))) War, very quickly teaches ....
  16. iouris 12 March 2020 16: 50 New
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    If the “modern” lieutenants cannot, then the “modern” generals are hardly capable.
  17. Operator 12 March 2020 17: 39 New
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    Quote: chenia
    Letecha-platoon understands the level and tasks of the higher (two links) formation

    The American sergeant - squad leader also understands. Naturally, an experienced sergeant must be compared with an experienced lieutenant.

    The US Army benefits from a more thoughtful training program for military personnel, multiple large hours for field training, and many different simulators.

    In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, the lieutenant to the captain, the captain to the major, etc.
    1. iouris 12 March 2020 20: 53 New
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      In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, ...

      It could be said simpler: the US sergeant corresponds to the current position, and the lieutenant of the Russian Federation does not correspond to the current position, and this means that the entire vertical that manages the training system in the RF Armed Forces is not functioning.
      1. Operator 12 March 2020 20: 58 New
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        The system of tactical training of the lower-level command personnel of the army functions worse in the Russian Federation than in the USA - this will be more accurate.
        1. iouris 13 March 2020 13: 42 New
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          At first it seemed that you had diagnosed a significant problem, but if only “a little worse”, then everything is just wonderful. Fine. Not bad. Satisfactorily.
  18. seacap 13 March 2020 00: 01 New
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    Quote: Operator
    In terms of training, the American sergeant corresponds to the Russian lieutenant, the lieutenant to the captain, the captain to the major, etc.

    no, it’s not so, it’s fundamentally wrong, because these ranks are not comparable, first decide on the ranks and positions, and then flop on your knees, otherwise you will bow to that.
  19. Operator 13 March 2020 14: 53 New
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    Quote: iouris
    a little bit worse

    No need to ascribe to me your rating.
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    As dear military officers told me, when I got a lieutenant in the war, I started from scratch, and sergeants and soldiers taught me
  21. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 18 March 2020 17: 27 New
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    The topic raised is interesting, complex, multifaceted, and, I think, many have something to say from the experience of their personal past.