Europe concludes: Chinese socialism is more effective than American democracy

Europe concludes: Chinese socialism is more effective than American democracy

Chinese socialism may be more politically and even economically efficient than American democracy. At least, the successes of Beijing in many areas testify to this.


Berlingske published a very interesting article authored by Laurids Mikaelson, a Danish diplomat, former ambassador of the Kingdom of Denmark to the People's Republic of China. The essence of the article boils down to the following thesis: in recent decades, China has been rapidly advancing in various fields, including science, technology, industry, trade, and, of course, defense. It is possible that in the foreseeable future, China will overtake the United States in the pace of economic development, and this will fundamentally change the alignment that has developed in the modern world.

In terms of granting new patents and introducing technological innovations, China has already overtaken the United States, as if Donald Trump is not crucified that the Chinese are stealing American technology. Moreover, many American companies themselves are actively working in China, so the trade war unleashed by Trump hit not only the Chinese, but also the American business itself.

The coronavirus epidemic, which spread first in China, just revealed the real level of economic and scientific progress of the Celestial Empire. In the shortest possible time, the Chinese leadership was able to establish the deployment of additional hospitals and hospitals, and Chinese scientists immediately took care to create a vaccine against coronavirus. The World Health Organization even noted the successes of China in the fight against the epidemic, while scolding European countries.

The key to the economic efficiency of the PRC is largely connected with the political model that has now been created in China. Mao Zedong laid the foundation for it, Deng Xiaoping reformed, and now Xi Jinping is reinforcing what the previous leaders of China have created.

Now China is building a strong army because it understands that without a reliable defense and security system in the modern world, it is very difficult and even more difficult to achieve a dominant position in the global economy. At the same time, China is a peace-loving country: unlike the United States and Western Europe, which impersonate human rights defenders and bearers of humanistic values, China has not fought at all for the past forty years. Is this not evidence of China’s true peacefulness?

Most Chinese have a positive outlook on Xi Jinping’s policies and are satisfied with the country's political system. This runs counter to the ideas of Americans and Europeans, who consider democracy only as the only correct political system. But the pride of the Chinese for their country, for its political course is not without foundation.

In the United States, more than half of the US population is unhappy with democracy. How do you want to convince the Chinese that democracy is a good idea?

“Asks the former Danish Ambassador to China, Laurids Mikaelson.”

According to the diplomat, who is well acquainted with China, with its political system and population, modern Europe does not need to be afraid of the “yellow danger”. Modern China is a profitable and reliable partner, which in the future will surely turn into a dominant state, pushing the United States into the background.

The article, published by the former Danish ambassador to Berlingske, expresses the point of view of many representatives of European elites who are dissatisfied with the dictatorship of the United States, especially economically, and do not see anything wrong with Europe’s reorientation towards cooperation with China.

Since the economic and technological successes of China are obvious, almost the only claims to the Middle Kingdom lie in ideological and political spheres. But if the Americans themselves are dissatisfied with democracy, and social inequality in the United States reaches egregious proportions, is it right to criticize the Chinese model in the West?
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  1. Livonetc 11 March 2020 11: 22 New
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    In China, socialism.
    In the US, democracy.
    Europe draws conclusions.
    And what about us?
    1. Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 11: 28 New
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      and in our classics - "but in our apartment there is gas";)
      ... well, a bit of oil
    2. Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 11: 41 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      In China, socialism.
      In the US, democracy.
      Europe draws conclusions.
      And what about us?

      The country of Putinism and the empire of cretinism ...
      Now it’s popular for us, just as in 2018, at the time of the adoption of the pension reform, they explained why you can’t always elect the same person as president. He just takes the dumbass. The country no longer has a single item of unfulfilled May decrees and breakthroughs ... Now we will correct spelling errors in the constitution and ???
      1. St Petrov 11 March 2020 12: 35 New
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        The country of Putinism and the empire of cretinism ...


        makes demons. This is nice. give fifth five-year plan groans. I like to read your and your sister’s moans. It is like a symphony. But you can do better, I know. I had to hone my skills - for twenty years.



        He just takes the dumbass.


        again pretend to be in public. I know you're already used to it.

        1. Antiliberast 11 March 2020 19: 09 New
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          makes demons
          I completely agree! My woman recently looked at Yandex zenmaaat recently, that it’s not comments, it’s dirt, but there are also well-grounded claims, which I have. Just the other day I watched a TV show about Moscow markets such as Sadovod, reporters are crying, former investigators are crying and the councils aren’t from the neighbors who have come over, because they have painfully taken root, their restaurants, private security companies and even banks taking cash for the hill Coins are shmoyins and bitcoins, Asia is driving things, Azerbaijanis are grocery markets, and so on, and everything is shared and can not be dealt with with them, the detection of economic crimes is 25%, I think even that lies, in fact, even less. And around the questions, what to do, what to do, and I have such an answer for them, to attach an ant to a member! And why not our geniuses of the economy to create competition for this illegal? Let’s say “Gardener”, not far off, it doesn’t matter where to build a good huge warehouse of the same clothes, put a manager and hard workers completely on state support and control, buy the same clothes in the same China but at the state level, import them and sell them at retail the merchants from the regions, but at a price not the same as they smack on the "Gardener", but adequate, they calculated how much the cowards cost from them. The salary (good) for those who work in this industry, logistics, etc., will be clearly cheaper for the people, and the fat in I’ll go to the treasury guests "who are already raving fat go home. And so everywhere, food markets are the same. Why does the same construction site not have a competitor in the person of the state? The people will take the last loot to the foundation and they will throw it. It seems necessary to work and it turns out do not want to? In a thought with clever faces of a thousand loafers, they wipe their asses, disperse 75 percent of each batch, and leave those who put forward a real program and ensure its implementation and put this as an exam into the duma, and not by the principle you got in and you’ll get the hell out of there , the same Zyuganov is already sick to listen, and the rest too. Something like that request Py Sy- But for such expressions - The country of Putinism and the empire of cretinism ... - a jigsaw in the teeth and in the taiga, sawing a forest for China to change clothes, otherwise the coast has been completely lost, but don’t look back at Europe and don’t piss , but it’s really a little more and we already have nothing to lose.
          1. Matroskin 11 March 2020 21: 48 New
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            Quote: Anti-librast
            Py Sy- But for such expressions -Country of Putinism and the empire of cretinism ...- jigsaw in the teeth and in the taiga

            So their commie ... Mussolini approves, Adik wipes a stingy tear.
          2. gsev 16 March 2020 22: 32 New
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            Quote: Anti-librast
            And why not our geniuses of the economy to create competition for this illegal? Let’s say “Gardener”, not far off, it doesn’t matter where to build a good huge warehouse of the same clothes, put a manager and hard workers completely on state support and control, buy the same clothes in the same China but at the state level, import them and sell them at retail the merchants from the regions, but at a price not the same as they smack on the "Gardener", but adequate, they calculated how much the cowards cost from them. The salary (good) for those who work in this industry, logistics, etc., will be clearly cheaper for the people, and the fat in treasury

            At one time, I had to engage in trade. A friend asked me to bring goods to Cherkizon from a wholesaler. I come to a wholesale base, I inform you that I am from Jabor, a Chinese is calling me, To be honest, a gazelle is loaded to the eyeballs and go to Cherkizovo. I looked at what the office of such a large wholesaler was. This is a student dorm room partitioned into 2 parts. In one half of the showroom with samples of goods, in the other half, housing a cool businessman. I only saw homemade 2-tier bunks nailed from simple planed boards., Which occupied 20% of the living room, on the boards a modest mattress, blanket and pillow. Having finished with us, the Chinese sat down to have breakfast noodles. In my opinion, at the training camp after graduating from the military department, we were given more meat to the side dish than these Chinese allowed themselves.
          3. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 27 New
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            And why should our economic geniuses

            And where to dig them - ours?
            We have that - flying ...
            Rather, they have us.
    3. knn54 11 March 2020 11: 43 New
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      And we have a neo-NEP. And in China-socialism with a capitalist face, which attracts the West.
      1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 11: 48 New
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        We all have a common goal - the beautiful is far away. fellow And we will all be there. repeat The remaining.
        1. Chervonny 11 March 2020 11: 59 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          We all have a common goal - the beautiful is far away. fellow And we will all be there. repeat The remaining.

          "Beautiful far from being cruel to me" Good song and good Soviet film "Guest from the Future"
          Quote: bessmertniy
          The remaining.

          Reforms in the country lead to a dead end. There will be no change in the economic and political course. And a logical question: How many of us will remain?
          1. CSKA 11 March 2020 13: 27 New
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            Quote: Red
            Reforms in the country lead to a dead end.

            Are you probably the Nobel Laureate in Economics? No? So where did you get that?
            Quote: Red
            There will be no change in the economic and political course.

            Why should he suddenly be, much less political?
            Quote: Red
            But how many of us will remain?

            Yes, not a little.
            1. Chervonny 11 March 2020 13: 54 New
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              Quote: CSKA
              Are you probably the Nobel Laureate in Economics? No? So where did you get that?

              You are sure that everything is fine in the country. Apparently you are a doctor of economic sciences. Compared to you, I am far from an economist.
              1. CSKA 11 March 2020 15: 57 New
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                Quote: Red
                You are sure that everything is fine in the country. Apparently you are a doctor of economic sciences. Compared to you, I am far from an economist.

                In economics, there is no term good or bad, it is in kindergarten. There are clear indicators for 20 years, which clearly show an increase in living standards. You don’t need to be an economist, you just have to read statistics, at least it’s very difficult for you to remember the year 2000 as people lived then.
                1. astepanov 11 March 2020 18: 39 New
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                  Quote: CSKA
                  it’s enough to read at least statistics, although it’s very difficult for you and remember the year 2000 as people lived then.

                  And why not start the year, say, from the eightieth? Why you need to measure about the "bottom"? Let me remind you: it was precisely those who now head the government and business that arranged the bottom. From whom did Putin take power? And he didn’t tear it out of his hands, but got it on a plate. He is the direct successor to Yeltsin and Co.
                  Just by the way: 20 years after the war, we were the second economy in the world, with powerful science, advanced healthcare and education, leaders in space. 20 years after the beginning of Putin’s reign, we are the 13th economy in the world, and in Europe, if we are leading in anything, it’s in the speed of spread of HIV and in drug trafficking. Well, in the promises to make life better, make it more fun - here our leaders have no equal. Either Putin’s Plan, or National Projects - which they just won’t come up with for cutting.
                2. nemez 12 March 2020 06: 51 New
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                  The statistics we do is strange, so I believe my eyes. And although the salary increased by 10 times, the prices did not stand still, and their growth was 12-15 times more than the initial one. Here it’s better to calculate or what.
                3. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 35 New
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                  Quote: CSKA
                  There are clear indicators for 20 years, which clearly show an increase in living standards.

                  Clear indicators of the bones thrown into our jaws have already been completely blocked over the past two weeks.
                  We are waiting for the continuation of "THEIR banquet."
          2. Changes will be mandatory! This bourgeois state, which, “steers,” on the territory of Russia for nearly 30 years, has shown its complete inactivity. Russia has a lot of minerals, a lot of fresh water and forests that have not yet been cut down ... And there are a lot of neighbors, severe and greedy for someone else's good. They, they’ll not sleep, will not give the Kremlin! Ukraine was ,, at hand ,, - ,, squeezed out ,,. Belarus has just been "squeezed out" ... ... Turks (who remembered about them during the Union?) ,, squeeze out, Syria. ,, Played, from the Syrian military air defense, the Ottomans, removing, but not destroying Russian-made air defense systems ... With whose crews, by the way, were ,, damaged ,, air defense systems, curators ,,?
            It’s good that China has been distracted WHILE by coronavirus ... And the NATO exercises? Or ... - ,, sea knee-deep ,,,?
            The current team of Russian effective managers, she overslept, IS THE MOST REQUIRED TIME of reforms. It was necessary to delve into the problems of this strange state another year since 2010, after the well-known global crisis ...
            And now it's time to catch ,, plush ,, (not to be confused with ,, plush ,,). And changes will already be made, themselves ,,. ..And not the fact that they will be hidden and expected for ,, dreamers ,,
            1. gsev 16 March 2020 22: 52 New
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              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              It is good that China has been distracted WHILE by coronavirus.

              China has already overcome the coronovirus. About 20 people are now infected per day. 9000 patients per 1 million of the population are not as bad as 500 patients per 22 million in Italy. 000 cases per day in China are less than 60 cases in Russia.


              https://voice.baidu.com/act/newpneumonia/newpneumonia.. информация из КНР

              https://coronavirus-monitor.ru и из России
          3. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 33 New
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            Quote: Red
            And a logical question: How many of us will remain?

            Just as much as global capital needs to maintain its raw material infrastructure.
            From 10 to 25 million at best.
      2. Carnifexx 12 March 2020 08: 29 New
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        Well, then in China, capitalism with socialist rhetoric and posters.
    4. fruit_cake 11 March 2020 11: 58 New
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      and we draw money to offshore
      1. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 40 New
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        Quote: fruit_cake
        and we draw money to offshore

        After the word "conclusions" there is not enough ellipsis :)
    5. Doctor 11 March 2020 12: 19 New
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      And what about us?

      Everything will be fine laughing

      Writer Alexander Prokhanov:
      “The program for the development of the victorious Russian-Soviet civilization is described in the already forgotten book by Valentin Ivanov in the novel“ Energy is Subject to Us! ” (1952). First - to master the inexhaustible oceans of intra-atomic energy. Then - consider the aging of the human body as a disease that can be cured. And - conquer death! Having spawned, in fact, a race of Russian superhuman people capable of flying between stars. What is this if not a continuation of the traditions of Russian cosmism of Tsiolkovsky and Fedorov? To gain immortality - and reach for the stars, spread throughout the universe. Already turned into something more than the current homo sapiens.

      Such a race can easily repel an asteroid threat to the Earth. She will be able to manage the climate and even in the Arctic will build cities under transparent domes. She will send into oblivion the energy of oil, gas and coal. Everything else for her is sheer nonsense. To block the Tatar Strait between Sakhalin and the mainland with a dam, leading to a warming climate in Primorye? A purely engineering task that both cheap nuclear energy and huge machines will solve. To irrigate the Karakum and Kyzyl Kum? You are welcome! And tomorrow we will master the mystery of gravity and will be able to soar in the sky. But along the way - turn entire regions of the Earth to nature reserves, where revived mammoths, megateria and other fauna of the early Cenozoic will roam. ”
      1. astepanov 11 March 2020 18: 41 New
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        Quote: Arzt
        Writer Alexander Prokhanov:
        Prokhanov is a talker whom the world has not seen. Believe Prokhanov - do not respect yourself.
    6. Sergei Novozhilov 11 March 2020 15: 37 New
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      In Russia, state capitalism.
      1. iouris 11 March 2020 18: 42 New
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        95% of everything on this Earth belongs to approximately 500 families (maybe 5 thousand - not the point). Free competition has long died, i.e. capitalism has died. The Russian Federation was created to ensure the functioning of the global economic system. This system is in deep crisis. The way out of the crisis will be the creation of a new economic structure.
    7. iouris 11 March 2020 16: 27 New
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      And if so: in China - national socialism, in the USA - world hegemonism, in Turkey - restoration of the Ottoman Empire, Europe hangs like ... in the ice hole, we have - they are intensely watching everyone, but there are no more goals.
    8. Vol4ara 11 March 2020 20: 48 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      In China, socialism.
      In the US, democracy.
      Europe draws conclusions.
      And what about us?

      And we poheril all the good that was in the union and all the most crap that could be taken from the bourgeois system, we took from it.
      1. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 42 New
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        Quote: Vol4ara
        and all the most crap that could be taken from the bourgeois system, we took from it

        Are we ... or aren't we ...?
    9. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 23: 18 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      In China, socialism.
      In the US, democracy.

      Well, at least socialism and democracy are not compatible, as JV Stalin said: "Democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state."
    10. NordUral 12 March 2020 00: 31 New
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      And we have a "fifth point".
    11. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 23 New
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      As Europe used to be called the Old World, now the United States must be called.
      They are numb in their "ideals."
      But, I would like to warn against excessive praise of the "Chinese experience."
      He is extremely not perfect. And it does not suit us at all, just as the current "order" of things in Russia does not fit.
      Not Russian.
  2. cniza 11 March 2020 11: 23 New
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    is it right in the West to criticize the Chinese model?


    Until the West puts things in order, it should not even pick out, let alone flattery others with its ideals.
  3. Olgovich 11 March 2020 11: 24 New
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    Chinese socialism may turn out to be a more politically and even economically efficient system,

    it is more efficient — in economic terms — the salaries in it cannot be compared with salaries in the same Europe.

    And if they compare?

    And one more thing: at the All-China Assembly of People's Representatives (NPC) they are sitting more than 100 dollar billionaires, 209 of its members have conditions exceeding $ 300 million.

    Common the number of billionaires in China is 40% more than in the USA, and the gap continues to increase. China also remains a country with one of highest levels of social inequality among large economies, surpassing even Russia in this respect.

    Billionaires in a welfare state?
    1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 11: 32 New
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      Did Olgych know that even in the USSR there were millionaires, writers and composers, for example. And as usual, Olga was completely offended by American democracy, it’s good that not a word about the English monarchy in the article! laughing
      1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 11: 58 New
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        I did not see the hungry and the poor in the 1980s. It was possible to live without millions. And most importantly - it was somehow more reliable in life. And since the beginning of the 1990s, it has been continuous social extreme, stress, lack of money, etc. Perhaps good socialism is what we should strive for. Well, if the Europeans felt this and China is taking as an example, then it’s a sin for us not to use the past socialist experience. hi
        1. CSKA 11 March 2020 13: 33 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          I did not see the hungry and the poor in the 1980s.

          You didn’t see them, but in endless lines, you were probably not at all hungry.
          Quote: bessmertniy
          It was possible to live without millions

          You can, that's just all they wanted to earn.
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Well, if the Europeans felt this and China is taking as an example,

          This is an article by a Danish author, why did you take that someone in Europe is starting to build socialism?
          Quote: bessmertniy
          then it’s a sin for us not to take advantage of past socialist experience.

          It’s better not to take such an experience. The consequences are known.
          1. Vol4ara 11 March 2020 20: 57 New
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            Quote: CSKA
            Quote: bessmertniy
            I did not see the hungry and the poor in the 1980s.

            You didn’t see them, but in endless lines, you probably weren’t at all hungry

            Yeah, there was almost no purchased sausage on the table. And lemonade was just like a holiday. But in the line for the apartment, my father was not hungry. There was always food on the table. By the way, I got an apartment, not a large one, not a disabled person, not a child. at home, I just got an apartment, an ordinary hard worker on a piece of iron, a flaw detector. And we are sausage, that then, that now we cook at home ourselves, then it was not possible to get it, and now I will not even feed homeless sausage with a purchased sausage, sorry, homeless people. I really don’t remember them by the way, everyone had a job and a social network. I remember getting oil on cards, but this is already the end of the 80s, no one disputes that there were cons, but if I were asked what time you would like to live, without hesitation you would answer - in the 70s
          2. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 17: 55 New
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            for CSKA.
            What a mess in your head ...
            And the complete absence of the rudiments of logical thinking, you really - sorry ...

      2. CSKA 11 March 2020 13: 30 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Does Olgych know that even in the USSR there were millionaires, writers and composers

        )))) Yes there were, but not writers and composers, but workers in the fields of trade and catering, and they were not official millionaires.
  4. rocket757 11 March 2020 11: 24 New
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    Chinese socialism may be more politically and even economically efficient than American democracy. At least, the successes of Beijing in many areas testify to this.

    No, no, all sorts of foreign communities are not welcome there! There, the orientation is only on the normals! So not tolerant, then bad by definition!
    By the way, there, after all, Multiculturalism is all very strict!
    After SUCH accusations, everyone who looks in utu direction will be anathematized .... if they could, they would have burned at the stake, without any doubt of their innocence!
    In geyrop, brains have long been on one side, to one degree or another.
  5. Egoza 11 March 2020 11: 25 New
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    Here, Russia would have understood, that socialism is better than everything available. And go to the "other rails" "mono and without revolution. There would be a desire!
    1. Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 11: 47 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      And go to the "other rails" "mono and without revolution. There would be a desire!

      Do you remember how “peacefully” Russia switched (under the EBN) to liberal-democratic tracks? And how peacefully the parliament was shot in 1993. Peacefully fails. The whole pack understands that fooling the people of the head with “breakfasts” and “after breakfasts” fails further. Everything is perfectly palpable in pockets and shopping baskets and trolleys (not because there are many, but because hands are not held) ...
      1. St Petrov 11 March 2020 12: 46 New
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        Peacefully fails.


        this is vina, not otherwise wassat the hospital did not notice the loss of a fighter

        PS A sad fight from the forum was supposed to bore you, I think. You have to take your life in your own hands. You endure too long
        1. Ivan Kolodin 11 March 2020 13: 36 New
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          You know when the country is in ... E your jokes, jokes are inappropriate, you either don’t really understand where we are going then congratulations to say the least, or just from that breed of hypocrites and thieves who stuff pockets at the expense of the budget, then you are just a traitor and you don’t laugh at honest people .... I just want to remind people like I paid for my ambition at 17 and cheerfully cheered on poles, or think you’re not going to hide to the west and don’t expect you there
          1. Nameless 12 March 2020 00: 22 New
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            Quote: Ivan Kolodin
            You know when the country is in ... E your jokes, jokes are inappropriate, you either don’t really understand where we are going then congratulations to say the least, or just from that breed of hypocrites and thieves who stuff pockets at the expense of the budget, then you are just a traitor and you don’t laugh at honest people .... I just want to remind people like I paid for my ambition at 17 and cheerfully cheered on poles, or think you’re not going to hide to the west and don’t expect you there

            Because, he is a young man, pale with a burning gaze, hypocritically "worried about the fate of the Fatherland" and "fighting Tyranny" for this! laughing
            Stupid child, flog you a little!
      2. NordUral 12 March 2020 00: 35 New
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        You can, ROSS 42, if all the people! But do not agree with the choice of the people, then let them blame themselves.
    2. CSKA 11 March 2020 13: 36 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      Here, Russia would have understood, that socialism is better than everything available. And go to the "other rails" "mono and without revolution. There would be a desire!

      Oh sorry. We are not far off. And here you are Elena, probably the Nobel laureate in economics. You know better that socialism or capitalism is better. But do you even know that there is more than one type of socialism? But what do you not set as an example the socialism of the DPRK? Are you sure that socialism is in China?
  6. Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 11: 26 New
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    mmm ... uh ...
    As it were, the point is not in political, but in economic realities-approaches.
    Capitalism-imperialism inherently always comes to a crisis.
  7. Mihail55 11 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    The result is obvious. Earlier we were teachers. The student turned out to be capable. Now all the shelves of our stores are littered with Chinese goods. We have become a raw materials appendage of everyone and everything ...
    1. CSKA 11 March 2020 13: 39 New
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      Quote: Michael55
      We have become a raw materials appendage of everyone and everything ...

      ))))) Nobody in the world sells raw materials alone anymore. Neither Australia, nor Canada, nor the United States, nor China. Although they may raw material appendage of Mars? Or are we all raw materials appendages of each other?
      1. DED_peer_DED 17 March 2020 18: 05 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        Nobody else in the world sells raw materials alone to us.

        It is not easy to live in occupation.
        And, the word "We" must be used carefully.
        Around us there are so many not "We."
  8. Sklendarka 11 March 2020 11: 29 New
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    Quote: Livonetc
    In China, socialism.
    In the US, democracy.
    Europe draws conclusions.
    And what about us?

    ,, ... And from our window
    Red Square is visible ... ''
    1. Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 11: 51 New
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      Quote: Skalendarka
      ,, ... And from our window
      Red Square is visible ... ''

      And we, who don’t even see the Soviets Square through the window, only Builders Boulevard, we often meet you — joyful visitors to the site who can see Red Square or which section of the MKAD from the window, or just a piece of sidewalk with Sobyaninsky tiles ... laughing
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        And we, who don’t even see the Council Square in the window,

        everything else somehow comes across -




  9. businessv 11 March 2020 11: 37 New
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    It is possible that in the foreseeable future, China will overtake the United States in the pace of economic development, and this will fundamentally change the alignment that has developed in the modern world.
    China, in fact, has long overtaken minke whales in all areas, especially in the real economy! Mattress GDP, according to their own data, consists of more than 70% of services, which cannot be provided with real goods and material values. Many American companies have withdrawn their enterprises to the Celestial Empire, so it’s incorrect to say that China will soon overtake! He did it a long time ago. Thank you for the article!
  10. DMB 75 11 March 2020 11: 46 New
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    Europe concludes: Chinese socialism is more effective than American democracy

    They came to their senses. The whole world made this conclusion long ago. Yes, and in the states themselves:
    "70% of millennials (a generation born between 1980 and 2000 - approx. Transl.) Are ready to vote for the socialists, and a third approve of communism, says a survey conducted by the YouGov research firm commissioned by the Communist Victims Memory Foundation. In total, as part of a study on the attitude of Americans 2 people over 100 were interviewed for socialism, communism and collectivism. The statistical error was plus or minus 16%. " - the newspaper Daily Caller, USA, reports with horror to readers.
    1. Octopus 11 March 2020 14: 18 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      They came to their senses. The whole world made this conclusion long ago. Yes, and in the states themselves:

      You are absolutely right.

      In the early 90's, as is customary, our partners began to lie to others, and most importantly - to themselves that they won in the twentieth. The enemy is defeated, it is no longer necessary to hang the same Sanders. A sane person will not vote for a politician who drowned for the USSR in the 80s, and now drowns for Cuba.

      Partners, of course, were mistaken. Leftist ideas are completely insensitive to reality. In recent years, full-fledged Bolsheviks, like T. Picketti, have become a full-fledged mainstream.
      1. Liam 11 March 2020 14: 26 New
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        And what full-fledged Bolsheviks received a parliamentary majority in the West in the post-war period?
        1. Octopus 11 March 2020 14: 33 New
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          full-fledged Bolsheviks received a parliamentary majority in the West

          )))
          Not yet received. However, it is difficult to argue that the bankruptcy of the USSR and the rebirth of China did not at all lead to a compromise or even weakening of leftist ideas, although it would seem. On the contrary, the disappearance of the republic of workers and peasants as a (barely) living example of the successes of socialism greatly facilitated left-wing propaganda on campuses.
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            greatly facilitated left propaganda

            ))
            Until then, it was facilitated that in modern Europe, one cannot even find a center-left government in the afternoon with fire.
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              in the afternoon with fire one cannot find at least one center-left government.

              I understand you correctly that current CDU / CSU is rightcentrist government? Do you have a good idea where Adenauer would be now, for example?
              1. Liam 11 March 2020 14: 49 New
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                Quote: Octopus
                current CDU / CSU

                Orthodox Bolsheviks or what?)
                Pure "leftists" in Europe have long been marginalized every five years, taking 5% in the election. Social democrats do not reach an average of 15/20%. Centrists with right-wing conservatives have ruled for decades in the EU.
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                  with the right conservatives.

                  )))
                  Again. Who is our right conservative? Merkel? Macron? The Italians, who is there alive now? Spaniards?
                  Quote: Liam
                  Pure "leftists" in Europe have long been marginalized

                  Are Pure Leftists - Which are the McDonald's Burning?
                  1. Liam 11 March 2020 15: 04 New
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    Who is our right conservative?

                    And who are the “true” right-wing conservatives in the world? Announce the entire list)
                    McDonald’s burn radicals. Both right and left. Marginals in general
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                      McDonald’s burn radicals. Both right and left. Marginals in general

                      Quote: Liam
                      It has long been marginalized every five years taking 5% of the election.

                      That is, marginals have quite solid fractions for themselves.

                      Why 5%? Elections in Thuringia do not remember the last? It seems that most of the former Stasi activists took it, both on the right and on the left.

                      Quote: Liam
                      Announce the entire list)

                      Very short. Relative right can only be called Johnson (maybe I don't know him well).
                      1. Liam 11 March 2020 16: 05 New
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                        That is, marginals have quite solid fractions

                        You are poorly informed. There are no fractions of those burning McDonald's. These are other marginals.
                        Quote: Octopus
                        Why 5%?

                        Because Linke in Germany:
                        Places in the Bundestag
                        69 / 709
                        Landtag seats
                        157 / 1821
                        Seats in the European Parliament
                        7 / 96
                        Quote: Octopus
                        Very short

                        When the list is very short, it’s called Utopia and has nothing to do with reality. It’s good only for forum battles
                      2. Octopus 11 March 2020 16: 27 New
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                        There are no fractions of those burning McDonalds. These are other marginals.

                        Guilty, not really watching.
                        Quote: Liam
                        Utopia has nothing to do with reality.

                        The reality is that the people you call center-right are literally a Komsomol member from the GDR. She’s a Christian, she’s a democrat, part-time.
                      3. Liam 11 March 2020 18: 25 New
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                        Undoubtedly, the Komsomol born in the GDR Merkel at the root is destroying the fate of the political trend that has prevailed in the world for 80 years. Similarly, IP2 born in Poland ruined Catholicism, and the Kaczynski brothers are incurable communists)
                        PySy.At Macron's pioneering past is not observed?)
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                        Quote: Liam
                        Similarly, IP2 born in Poland ruined Catholicism, and the Kaczynski brothers are incurable communists)

                        ))) There is something in this. But both are anti-communists.
                        Quote: Liam
                        at the root is destroying the fate of the prevailing political course in the world for 80 years.

                        You see. I do not agree that the current that prevailed in the 80s and the present is one and the same current. I do not agree that conditional Obama is the heir to Reagan.

                        Again. Who exactly in Europe do you call center-right? CDU / CSU? Forward Republic? D5Z / DP? Spanish Socialist Workers Party? Or whoever doesn’t shoot priests and fists - is that right?
                      5. Liam 11 March 2020 19: 55 New
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                        You see

                        American society of the early 80s and the present (like the German times of Adenauer and Merkel) are quite different. With different priorities and accents, the same economy has changed dramatically, post-industrial society, digitalization, globalism are all. Real parties change after society. but do not freeze in the Stone Age and do not appeal to the calls of their ancestors). Preserving the fundamental values ​​of liberalism, democracy, elections, separation of branches.
                        The only difference between the left and the right is the role of the state. The left wants it to be bigger, the right to make it smaller. They have no other fundamental differences. I mean the real left, the social democoats. And not the radicals and fragments of the former Comintern. From the coming of the left or right to power in Europe, God forbid 1% of everything. Life has shown that modern society lives well without a government. Recently, in Belgium a year and a half they couldn’t choose a government and during this time the economy plummeted upwards.) So all this ideology is more for verbal battles

                        Quote: Octopus
                        CDU / CSU? Forward Republic? D5Z / DP? Spanish Socialist Workers Party?

                        There’s porridge. D5Z is populist fashionable nowadays. They appear and disappear within 5-10 years. And what about the Spanish socialists side to the right?)
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                        Quote: Liam
                        And what about the Spanish socialists sideways to the right?)

                        Quote: Liam
                        Centrists with right-wing conservatives have ruled the EU for decades.

                        Quote: Liam
                        the role of the state. The left wants it to be bigger, the right to make it smaller.

                        Who does this want with us a smaller state?

                        I will say more.
                        For a long time, the left-right dichotomy in most Western countries looked like a choice of two soup sets:

                        Right - there is less state in the economy, more state in the field of personal rights (abortion, drugs, LGBT people and so on).
                        Left - more state in the economy at the level of redistribution (taxes), less state in the field of personal rights through the introduction of equality.

                        Where is the centrist consensus you are talking about?
                        1. In the economy. More and more states are no longer at the distribution level, but at the level of sectoral planning (first of all, the green agenda). It seems that we were discussing the hand of the market with you in the case of nuclear power plants.
                        2. In the field of personal freedoms - a frontal assault on freedom (words, conscience, associations, etc.) from the standpoint of forced egalitarianism and the only correct teaching. What is a manifestation of fascism, a zigzag pug or the trial of its owner?
                        3. Moving away from equality towards allocating local groups with unique rights and privileges. Is the slogan Black lives matter genuinely humanistic? Could now escape the man who said I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.?
                        4. In the field of government - a decrease in the role of elected bodies, an increase in the role of purely bureaucratic bodies, primarily supranational. Who did Ms. van der Leyen choose from the EU headman?

                        Do you call this "center-right"?
                      7. Liam 11 March 2020 23: 08 New
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                        green agenda

                        This is a request from the population. People don’t want to poison themselves and their children with coal, radiation, etc. You have everything upside down. This is not a state imposing, it’s people “imposing” it on the state. And whoever opposes this will not be simply elected and will not by the state. "
                        Quote: Octopus
                        the hand of the market in the case of nuclear power plants.

                        NPPs and the market are economically incompatible. There is no company in the world that can build, operate and especially close NPPs with market methods and be profitable at the same time. Only the state and subsidies can contain. Therefore, they were built in the years when the influence of states on the economy was much stronger than now and are closing now when the role of the state is weakening.
                        Quote: Octopus
                        the only correct teaching

                        What is this?
                        Quote: Octopus
                        local groups with unique rights and privileges.

                        Which ones?
                        Quote: Octopus
                        a decrease in the role of elected bodies, an increase in the role of purely bureaucratic bodies, primarily supranational ones. Who did Ms. van der Leyen choose from the EU headman?

                        It is strange to hear such a question from a literate person. Ms. van der Leyen was elected by the deputies of the European Parliament who were elected in the general European popular and free elections. Representative democracy is called. The last 80 years there is such a form of power in Europe
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                        This is a population request.

                        And why do you think that supporters of leftist ideas cannot vote in elections? They and civil wars are able to win, as far as I know.
                        Quote: Liam
                        NPPs and the market are economically incompatible

                        Oh my god, again. In vain I reminded you of this conversation.
                        Here it is
                        https://www.svoboda.org/a/29843364.html
                        Was it also done at the request of the workers?
                        Quote: Liam
                        What is this?

                        Good, of course.
                        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)#Controversy

                        The fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection

                        Quote: Liam
                        .Ms. van der Leyen was elected by the deputies of the European Parliament, who were elected by universal European popular and free

                        ))) You are cheating. Representative democracy suggests that the party that forms the government, its leader, take full political responsibility for the actions of the executive branch. What does Ursullah's candidacy have to do with the election? What program did she come to to voters?

                        Could you briefly explain what is the fundamental difference between the approval by Ursulla of the European Parliament and the approval of the State Duma of the Russian Federation by Mr. Mishustin?
                        Which ones?

                        Is the slogan Black lives matter morally equivalent to the slogan White lives matter? А Jewish lives matter?
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  • DNS-a42 11 March 2020 14: 40 New
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    None.

    “Only villains or fools can think that the proletariat must first win the majority in the elections held under the yoke of the bourgeoisie, under the yoke of wage slavery, and then it must win power. This is the height of stupidity or hypocrisy, this is the replacement of the class struggle and revolution by the old-style ballot under the old regime. " - Lenin V.I.
  • krops777 11 March 2020 15: 06 New
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    In total, as part of a study on the attitude of Americans to socialism, communism and collectivism, 2 people over 100 years old were interviewed. The statistical error was plus or minus 16%. "- Daily Caller, USA, reports with horror to readers.


    Yeah, a serious figure, to 327 million. people living, in general America from the point of view of views is a very diverse country, but whoever believes in one of the two parties wins, democracy however.
  • 1536 11 March 2020 11: 49 New
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    In China, socialism.
    In the US, democracy.
    Europe draws conclusions.
    And what about us?

    And here, it seems, Chinese socialism and American democracy have merged together. And we do not draw conclusions.
    1. Sergey Olegovich 11 March 2020 12: 08 New
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      And here, it seems, Chinese socialism and American democracy have merged together

      Nothing merged with us. We have neither socialism, nor American democracy. We have oligarchic capitalism
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        Nothing merged with us. We have neither socialism, nor American democracy. We have oligarchic capitalism

        Horror is what. Or maybe you bother to read the concept of oligarchy before writing nonsense? And at the same time, together with the author, read the concepts of socialism and democracy, so that later you would not put completely different concepts in one basket.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 March 2020 11: 57 New
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    I would still not say that “Europe draws conclusions” as long as the Danish diplomat made them, mentioning that there are others who share his point of view. I agree that his conclusions deserve the closest attention.
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      I wanted to say the same ... Berlingske and Laurids Mikaelson are not all of Europe yet .... yes
    2. Keyser soze 11 March 2020 12: 15 New
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      I would still not say that "Europe draws conclusions"


      I wanted to write exactly the same thing. And to compare Europeans and Chinese with their different cultures and worldviews is how to compare apples and pears.

      No one in Europe, including Russia (I think) will tolerate restrictions on freedom of speech, the Internet, censorship, and the like of Chinese characteristics. And while the salary of the Chinese is 20% (approximately) of the salary of the European, there can be no talk of any efficiency.
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        I would also not absolutize the Chinese experience, although, IMHO, the future lies with some cross between the socialist and capitalist economies. But, nevertheless, it is unlikely in a purely Chinese version
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          the future lies in a cross between a socialist and capitalist economy


          Here I agree to all 100. And we need to talk about the future through the prism of education and upbringing - this is the only beginning to model it.
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          a mixture of socialist and capitalist economies

          Where did you find socialism in China? Conventional conducting, combined with a virtually one-party system (more precisely, a system of "popular democracy"), with varying degrees of success, was implemented by Mussolini, Gaulle, Putin and many others.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          "Europe draws conclusions," while the Danish diplomat made them,

          As usual, it’s not clear what is quoted on the ax.
          Danish article here.
          https://www.berlingske.dk/kommentarer/det-bliver-naeppe-usa-der-overbeviser-kineserne-om-at-demokrati-er-en
          If Google translation is adequate, the point of the article is that Mr. Mikaelsen has a place in a comfortable Danish prison: at some point, he ceased to be the Danish ambassador to China and became the Chinese ambassador to Denmark.

          Mr. Mikaelsen combines Chinese propaganda with a truly universal desire among European “intellectuals” to crap Trump (whatever Trump is bad or good) and the United States as a whole. Everything, nothing more in his "opinion".
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    Nuuu, it is not "Europe" that draws conclusions, but one specific former diplomat (maybe they pay him a small pension, so he PRs the Chinese for denyuzhku). The life cycle of states is much larger than the human life cycle, it is too early to draw conclusions. In China, a huge territory is generally closed to foreigners, what is happening there no one really knows. Shanghai and large agglomerations are naturally impressive, but the rest often live on a cup of rice per day. We also have an example: in Moscow, the RFP is under the steward, and in the depressed regions, a tag is a common thing.
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      Nowhere do they live on a cup of rice.
  • place 11 March 2020 12: 32 New
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    It is not a matter of socialism or capitalism. The point is in society, the point is in the traditions of the people, in which leaders the company puts forward, whom it respects. And the right "....... isms" gentlemen theorists will always come up with ...... We have only one truly popular movement: "banditry."
    And only one "authority". Everything else is simulacra and krivlyaki.
  • Nadsor 11 March 2020 12: 33 New
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    In the United States, more than half of the US population is unhappy with democracy.

    Little allowance to them ..And China, the United States owe about two trillion ..!
    They want to nullify ..
  • K-50 11 March 2020 12: 53 New
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    At the same time, China is a peace-loving country.

    So what then was China attacking socialist Vietnam? To India? Still arranged armed provocations? This is not counting that at one time did not hesitate to attack the USSR?
    That the Chinese, that the Japanese, are peaceful for the time being, until they feel the weakness of the "opponent".
    One does not need to build illusions and "pink castles", so as not to wake up one day in a pool of their own blood from their hands.
  • Honest Citizen 11 March 2020 13: 11 New
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    According to the diplomat, who is well acquainted with China, with its political system and population, modern Europe does not need to be afraid of the "yellow danger". Modern China is a profitable and reliable partner, which in the future will surely turn into a dominant state, pushing the United States into the background.

    Complete nonsense. The Chinese are spreading around the world like cockroaches. But the Chinese in the first place remains Chinese, even if they have the citizenship of another country.
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      The Chinese are spreading around the world like cockroaches.

      They are cockroaches.
      Soon Russia will be flooded with the Urals.
  • 16112014nk 11 March 2020 15: 21 New
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    If the system that existed before 1953 were preserved in the USSR, now no one has compared anything.
  • Sergei Novozhilov 11 March 2020 15: 41 New
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    In Western Europe, socialism is impossible in principle. To establish it, societies are stable groups of people. It is not human (individualist) rights that dominate, but the rights of a group (society). In the USSR, such a society was a labor collective that had a predecessor in the Russian imperial-rural community. Now there are no societies in production and the worker is atomized.
  • Sergey Sfiedu 11 March 2020 16: 00 New
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    In China, socialism is effective, because the Chinese live in China, there are a lot of Chinese, mostly very poor, usually hard-working, fairly disciplined, moderately patriotic, and very well aware of what will happen to those who do not like the party and socialism. Since there are few Chinese in other countries, Chinese socialism is not suitable for them yet.
  • Plowman 11 March 2020 16: 40 New
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    Well done, China, for 40 years from a country with clay ovens, grew up in the second power of the world. By year 30, there will be the highest GDP per capita. And again we invent a bicycle or someone just sabotages ....
  • yriuv62 11 March 2020 18: 09 New
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    So the foundation of the Chinese efficient economy was laid by Mao Zedong? Well then, long live the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution! It is necessary to collect the hunweibins and fire at the headquarters, to smash the demons and monsters who are searching along the capitalist path!
  • Kushka 11 March 2020 18: 47 New
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    The same as writing - hare lifestyle
    better and more effective than a bear.
    USA arranged as USA. China is organized like China.
    Europe here is generally no sideways.
    1. iouris 11 March 2020 20: 41 New
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      Economically, China is organized in the way captains of "big business" need it, and these captains control assets of trillions of dollars. There are neither Deripasas nor Khodarkovs.
  • Nameless 12 March 2020 00: 12 New
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    Is it socialism in China? belay Yes, there is the most wild capitalism, covered by Kumach’s banner and communist symbols / rhetoric. There from socialism there is only a name and appearance.
  • Nameless 12 March 2020 00: 27 New
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    And in China-socialism with a capitalist face, which attracts the West.

    Rather, capitalism is behind the external gloss of socialism.
  • Carnifexx 12 March 2020 08: 38 New
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    It is not socialism in the PRC, Mao has no relation to the successes of modern China (change my mind), China has recently become peace-loving, under Mao they fought with ALL neighbors (including the USSR), China is 100% enemy to Russia (territorial claims, plus the conditions Isolation Russia is more accommodating to unprofitable deals), and to Europe and the USA when it’s like (at least a land lease). The Chinese virus system is a shame, not a virtue. The previous outbreak (SARS) was caused by Chinese characteristics (there is no democracy there, so they were able to suppress the virus), this time is better, but not without problems. Social inequality in the PRC is not less than in the United States, rather more taking into account social payments (in the PRC there are almost none, in the US more than $ 2 trillion). Well, I’m too lazy to disassemble.
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    That we foolishly left that system. And now we have the most shitty part of the so-called democracy. And all that was needed was to rebuild the economy without touching idiology.
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    What else can Europe do? Stay on the edge of civilization, be a colony of TNCs? The main thing is new liberal values!
  • Alecsandr 14 March 2020 08: 57 New
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    30 years were stupidly lost. Such money the Russian Federation received during this time the Union never dreamed of. And they all flowed off somewhere like water in the sand. It would be possible to completely modernize the economy. And we have turned everything into a large flea market trading market, where everything is for sale. Former farmers and speculators became the "first" people in the state ready to sell everything and everything.