Who and for whom will change the Constitution

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In general, it already comes to outright stupidity, and in many criticisms there is a lot of reason. The Constitution is a fundamental document that governs the basic provisions of the state of life of any citizen of any country.

In our country, as always, everything falls into farce. And wherever you look. When you soberly evaluate everything that you are going to shove into the Constitution, you just shrug your hands. But the show has just begun. School breakfasts, god, signs only in Russian ... It remains only to come up with something completely to make it completely ridiculous.



For example, so that the Constitution guarantees the switching of red and green traffic signals.

In general, we can make a flood show out of any serious matter. And they do.

Therefore, I am absolutely sure that the show “We are changing the Constitution” will succeed. Change. We have complete order with this, and there is no doubt that, according to the data already leaked to the Network, about 65% will come to the polls and the majority will vote “for”.

However, there are a lot of questions on the topic “Why is this so?” Indeed, everything was so calm, the country was moving so confidently forward, towards a brighter future, to fear of enemies and the envy of “partners” - and here you are.

“The situation in the country since the adoption of the Constitution has changed dramatically. In fact, we have another country. Amendments are in demand. ”

This is not me, this is Putin said.

Honestly, I can’t understand what has changed so much in the system-forming role of the state that it is necessary to radically change the main law of the country. And urgently.

Of course, if we take into account the fact that Putin is ending his fourth and (seemingly not sure) last term, and the ratings of United Russia, the government, and Putin himself resemble the ruble against the euro and the dollar, then there are less questions.

And frankly risking, trying to put on a throne a temporary worker, today is not worth it. The risk is really great. And, apparently, there is no desire to leave.

I was finally convinced of this by a thoughtful viewing of the “meeting with the people” in Ivanovo. He looked, was touched. But some things did not make me think - I really jumped in surprise that Vladimir Vladimirovich even voiced this.

The first thing that raised my eyebrows up and puzzled my brain was the promise of Vladimir Vladimirovich not to head the State Council. And why, then, did the garden get settled at all? Medvedev there?

On the other hand, Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to leave the Constitution inviolable (not so long ago the last time it was when he puzzled the Federal Assembly) four times in my memory, and promised not to touch the retirement age ... Oh, yes, he promised not the seventh retirement age President of the Russian Federation, and some other. The third, fourth, sixth ... I don’t remember which, to be honest, it’s not important at all.

It doesn’t matter in principle, because the retirement gift contrary to Putin’s promises was rolled up, and that’s all.

So, the promises not to head the State Council, so carefully modified, can be treated about the same way, I am sure. Because, alas, far from all Putin’s promises today can be trusted with eyes closed. Not for everyone.

The second passage, which simply killed, is about arranging for a change of power after Russia “grows fat”. This can already be regarded as something that Putin will never leave power. Well, or in the best traditions of the general secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee, it will leave her with the last heartbeat.

It’s familiar, yes?

If for 20 years Putin has not been able to help all of Russia “grow fat” ... I do not mean Timchenko, Rotenberg, Sechin, Gref, Miller and other “childhood friends”, although it would probably be worth it. These have already swam not even with fat, fat, unlike the whole of Russia.

If we talk about the same part of the population of Russia, which is not Rotenberg, then for her not everything is so rosy. On the highest level.

In general, the last time with Vladimir Vladimirovich with the fulfillment of promises is somehow sad. It is understandable to make so many promises for 20 years of rule that today in the apparatus of worries on the topic of how to dissuade from what was said earlier, is above the head.

And all because 20 years is 20 years.

Therefore, very close to 2024, you can again put the same phonogram on the topic "the situation has changed, we must act in the spirit of the times." Perhaps that will do.

But in general, it is very necessary that in April the choice was the right one. Therefore, by the way, and voting will not be point by point, but a list. And school breakfasts will go along with a system of change of power. Wholesale, so to speak.

But I really care about the very moment when serious questions, in theory, by all people, are bombarded with all sorts of nonsense, very mildly speaking, incompetent people.

For example, the passage that excited everyone about the transfer of faith in God to us by our ancestors. Specially carefully read what the people wrote on different resources. It’s not a good idea, because they said something, but they didn’t specify what kind of god they were talking about. Neither the head of the State Duma Volodin, nor Peskov.

The text of the amendment is known only from the words of the Speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin:

"The Russian Federation, united by a millennium history"preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity of the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity."

Well, the ministers of the church, seemingly still separate from the state, but rather deeply seated in a political pool, repeatedly spoke out for the fact that God had a place in the Constitution.

I understand perfectly why.

Interferes with Article No. 14 of the Constitution, which states that we have a secular state. I apologize to what extent the concept of “God” can be a legal concept? And how can we fix the law that is inside a person, that is, faith?

No, of course it is possible, and even then in cases where "There is no god but ..." and further in the text. But excuse me, how can one fix in the Basic Law of the state that which is not physically present, or that which is, in general, inside a person? And separately taken?

In fact, as far as the clergymen who met on the way explained to me, God first of all is love and the absence of coercion. And here? And here we have something new and different.

I perfectly understand Cyril, who became the shooter of the proposal. The church needs more money, more influence, more flock. Patriarch believes:

“Most Russian citizens believe in God. I’m not only talking about the Orthodox - I’m also talking about Muslims and many others. ”

Good. The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia proposes, starting from this, to add to the Constitution a mention of God. Precisely because there are many believers in Russia. Well, maybe even the majority, but what does it matter when the 21st century is in the yard?

“A man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value” - Article 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

But what about atheists who do not believe in God? What about people who have not yet decided? What about people who believe in "higher powers"? Believers of other faiths, which the ROC will not give in to?

The army, yes, our army is the clearest example of this. Today, almost every part has a church. Naturally, Orthodox. And you have every right to send your religious demands, if you are Orthodox.

And if you are a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, these are your problems.

Something somehow not so, right? Although, on the other hand, should a secular state really care about what individual citizens believe in? And yes, nevertheless, WHAT god is it, if it is included in the Constitution?

The Constitution was not, is not and should not be anything divine. First of all, the Constitution is a legal act.

In principle, the Qur'an and the Bible can also be called that. These are also collections of normative religious acts. The Quran is a particularly successful creation in this regard (from my point of view).

But in fact, I agree with Pavel Krasheninnikov, who is the head of the Duma committee on state building and legislation:

“God, if he is in the soul, then he is, regardless of whether he will be spelled out in the text of the law or not ...”

But in fact, since Putin himself introduced the amendments, I have absolute confidence that now everything that I spoke about will be written in the Constitution.

On the one hand, it seems like it's okay. But not in this country. Well, if something begins, good usually does not happen from epoch-making changes. Anything can be set as an example. Reforms are all a matter of choice: health care has been reformed so that Putin himself says it’s time to reanimate, culture, education, retirement ... It's all like a carbon copy. And everywhere it just gets worse.

You will say that if there is faith in the soul, then no reform can be touched upon. I agree. But I'm not talking about the soul, I'm talking about something else. If God, that is, the church, will have a place in the Constitution, then on the basis of this our miracle guardians deputies will be able to pass the law. Which one? I do not know. But they can. Yes, at least about tithing.

Well, I do not believe that Cyril and Vladimir are just muddied. It’s just that in our country only the State Council is being made a superorgan, and even then it seems to me that this is not just. And everything else is a well-known affair.

He said more than once that we have a lot of problems in our heads (especially growing ones) because there is no state ideology. But this point is not entirely clear, and I’ll try to explain why.

If a person does not believe in God, who is he? Lawbreaker? Criminal? Very strange. But the main thing is that this will not add spirituality. Not a bit. I think that all or almost all will now agree with me. He who did not believe will not believe further. Whoever believes - it doesn’t matter whether his faith is lawfully or not. For if a person believes, I'm sorry, he does not care about the laws. It is proved by Soviet times.

I will not offend anyone here, because the faith itself protects the feelings of believers, and not the constitution or the criminal code.

By the way, the truth is what to do with atheists and communists? How about those who didn’t fit into the constitution? Forcibly baptized or in correctional camps? Or just a loss of rights?

So, these strange attempts are just a confirmation that the current government has no ideology. And God is absolutely no helper here. On the contrary, where a cultural worker does nothing, there is a field untoward for a religious worker.

And it turns out that all these suddenly urgent attempts to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation play on anything, but not on improvement. The main number of amendments is absolutely pointless, their task is simply to veil the main changes.

It is clear that a normal person will vote for school breakfasts and against lawlessness in the country, for God against gays and so on. But he really will vote for nothing.

Proven reception already. The calculation that when voting in bulk, for the incomprehensible to many the contents of the package of amendments, and not for the amendments themselves individually, will be voted on. Wholesale. And many of those who are “sure” today that everything is right and in the name of the people will habitually vote, as always.

Well, there are no more options. Or for God, or for gays. It's always like that with us. The choice without a choice, such as Putin or Sobchak. Vote, or ... However, the latest presidential elections have shown that, in general, already without an "or".

Lose even when we are against. Remember, about renaming the police to the police with the subsequent reform? 90% were against it. But they renamed it, billions were destroyed, bribes were taken from those who wanted to stay in the hundreds of thousands, and as a result they got the police. In fact - nothing.

Against pension reform, how many were against? Also, I think, not less than 90%. Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted.

Well, somehow the words about "respecting the opinions of people" and "democratization of public life" are not very looked and heard.

Wait, of course. We will see. There is not the slightest doubt that they will correctly calculate and accept the amendments. And then we'll see, maybe, to the joy of the monarchists, the good old empire will return. With all the consequences. While we will "grow fat".

The main thing is not to stretch our legs while we grow. And tithe doesn’t really want to pay.
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  1. +42
    11 March 2020 05: 50
    And tithing doesn’t really want to pay
    I don’t want to, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are "one more oil" for the authorities.
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      1. +11
        11 March 2020 05: 59
        And how can the Constitution guarantee this? Moreover, in the 90s was the present?
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          1. +18
            11 March 2020 06: 05
            It is clear that the course towards "even greedy, stupid and thieving, but loyal" does not contribute to the promotion of a worthy replacement, so you have to choose between the irreplaceable and his retinue, "greedy, stupid and thieving" and s__ka the choice is obvious. (((
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              1. +12
                11 March 2020 06: 16
                Papa Sobchak directly applauds you, probably.
                1. +33
                  11 March 2020 07: 23
                  The main number of amendments is absolutely pointless, their task is simply to veil the main changes.

                  Exactly. But this is just part of the "great" plan.

                  Dancing to extend the authority of the king continues. State Council, amendments, nullification of the presidency ... Vladimir Vladimirovich’s choice is increasing, but he, as a well-known scheming planner, is in no hurry to declare which way he will remain in power.

                  Changes will occur in more than one stage, so the electorate will learn the whole truth at the very end, when it is done (and for everything voted).
                  1. +19
                    11 March 2020 08: 02
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Changes will not occur in one step, so the electorate will learn the whole truth at the very end, when the job is done (and for everything voted)

                    indeed, if we take into account that there is another 4 years before the elections. They started the process too early, or they simply understand that it will be even worse further. Therefore, it is worthwhile to gain a foothold at this level. Who knows . maybe tomorrow will not work.
                    1. +1
                      11 March 2020 09: 02
                      Or maybe he marks for the role of the king - the father?
                      Therefore, the process is started in advance, so that you get used to it.
                      1. -5
                        11 March 2020 10: 23
                        Anthem of the Russian Empire ("God Save the Tsar")
                        A. Lvov, V. Zhukovsky and A. Pushkin


                        God save the Tsar!
                        Strong, sovereign,
                        Reign for glory
                        To the glory of us!
                        Reign
                        To the fear of enemies
                        The Orthodox King!
                        God Save the Tsar, Save the Tsar!
                        http://www.partita.ru/docs/other-879.shtml

                        1. Introduction to the Constitution of the country of God - are there any insulting feelings of those who disbelieve in him ??
                        2. The Bible refers to several Gods. Who has received the Honor?
                        3. And does God himself need this ... peace or is it necessary for the rulers and for the church?
                        4.Do not the mention of God in the Constitution result in taxes on church income from profits and taxes on its property ??
                      2. -1
                        11 March 2020 10: 45
                        "The Bible mentions several Gods. Who was honored?"
                        You definitely read the Bible ???
                      3. +2
                        11 March 2020 11: 06
                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        You definitely read the Bible ???

                        And who is the devil, if not an evil god? Who are angels, seraphim, cherubim, if not the younger gods in analogy with the pantheons of gods of other religions? Under the declared monotheism in the Avramic religions, there are creatures endowed with divine abilities.
                      4. +1
                        11 March 2020 12: 26
                        So is man, this is God, with a small letter, but these are all creations, and the Creator is only one!
                      5. +1
                        11 March 2020 13: 27
                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        and the Creator is only one!

                        Supreme god? So he is alone in many pantheons. This is a banal hierarchy, the same pyramid of power.
                      6. -1
                        11 March 2020 17: 24
                        And here the pyramid of power, God the Creator of all things, everything else is his creation!
                      7. +1
                        11 March 2020 13: 47
                        Uncle Vanya. Read for yourself ..
                        Bible, Old Testament, first chapter
                        "" "Genesis, Chapter 1 (in the first chapter GOD!)
                        In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters .......
                        .. 26 And God said: let us make man in our image (and) in our likeness, and may they rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air (and over the beasts,) and over the cattle, and over the whole earth, and over all reptiles creeping on the ground. 27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them: Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and possess it, and rule over the fish of the sea (and over the beasts) and over the birds of the air (and over all cattle and over all the earth, ) and over any animal creeping on the ground. 29 And God said: Behold, I have given you all the grass that sows the seed that is on all the earth, and every tree that has a tree fruit that sows a seed; - This will be for your food; 30 And to all the beasts of the earth, and to all the birds of the air, and to every (reptile) creeping across the earth, in which there is a living soul, I have given all the green grass for food. And so it was. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning: the sixth day.

                        The Bible, the Old Testament, the second chapter (and here the Lord God appears and ... genetic engineering from the rib of Adam)
                        … .7 And the Lord God created man from the dust of the earth, and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a paradise in Eden in the east, and placed there the man he had made. 9 And the Lord God grew out of the earth every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of paradise, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ... .. "" ""
                      8. +1
                        11 March 2020 17: 21
                        I read this, but what has it to do with: "The Bible mentions several Gods", I still do not understand!
                        God and the Lord God, this is one and the same Creator of the Universe, he generally has many names because God is larger than the universe.
                      9. 0
                        17 March 2020 01: 19
                        I definitely didn’t read it.
                        There is only one God in the Bible, all other creatures (from the created, created) are only his tools, with the exception of the person who received free will.
                      10. +2
                        12 March 2020 09: 50
                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        "The Bible mentions several Gods. Who was honored?"
                        You definitely read the Bible ???

                        In the psalm of Asaph (Ps. 49: 1), the “Lord” is called the “God of the Gods” (!), In another psalm of Asaph (Ps 81: 1, 6), “God” has become in the host of “gods”; among the "gods" the court pronounced. . You are “gods” and sons of the “Most High” - all of you ”, in Psalm 94“ The Lord ”is ... The great Tsar is necessary over all “gods” ”(3), then -“ Worship “Him”, all “gods” ... For you, "Lord." exalted over other "gods" (Psalm 96: 7,9)
                        The ignorance of the primary sources by believers is simply amazing. Perhaps the ban on eating pork will also be a revelation for you?
                      11. -1
                        12 March 2020 20: 44
                        Yes, I do not know the Old Testament well, but the Psalter is my favorite book, and if you carefully read my comments above, you will notice that I have already answered this question, I will quote myself: “So man is a god, with a small letter, but these are all creations, and there is only one Creator! "
                        Do you understand what the point is !? God, this is the Creator of all things, they want to mention him in the constitution!
                      12. +17
                        11 March 2020 11: 53
                        No, in general, people are kept for the poor.
                        After all, no one seriously even considers the option that the people will vote in the elections not for Putin, if amendments are passed. And they will pass. 146% wink
                        So many talking shops were deployed with these amendments in order to slip the most important thing at the very last moment. Vote on one list with school breakfasts.
                        Explanations rushed from all the irons - how important is continuity and immutability.
                        Why then do we need elections? Everyone who has the remnants of the brain, and so everything is clear - Putin and United Russia will win! Why is this circus? Well, you can’t not respect your people like that.
                        Honestly, Absolute Monarchy. This is in fact.
                        They thought up a thousand reasons and legal problems that Putin would be in power.
                        In fact, in the spirit of the Rules, it was done - the President supervises no more than two terms. Any sane honest person understood this as a maximum of 8 years .. So they didn’t invent it - in a row / not in a row, then instead of 4 years - 6 years, and now - until 2036. And we'll see.

                        Minus who will bet immediately write about the fact that there is "no one else" (this is out of 150 people!) And about the dashing 000s - how bad it was then and how wonderful it is now.
                      13. +5
                        11 March 2020 14: 54
                        He simply became insolent at the end, even I did not expect such a greyhound, thought that he still has a conscience, although not a lot, but I was mistaken.
                      14. +3
                        11 March 2020 15: 18
                        Yes, it’s not IT!
                        He sat wisely with the State Council, with the Union State, with State Duрin the end, I thought how to beat everything beautifully multi-way ...
                        And then advisers come to him, they say:
                        - Vladimir Vladimirovich, let’s reset all the deadlines to a bad mother!
                        - And so, is it possible? belay
                    2. -1
                      11 March 2020 10: 52
                      all on time ... here on the nose elections to the State Duma
                  2. -8
                    11 March 2020 15: 25
                    At the very beginning of the article, the author admitted to a misunderstanding of the problem. And then he brilliantly proved it. Specifically, there is no criticism. There is no constructive. Complete impotence.
                    Touched by his mention of God. Well, if I don’t like something, it may like it and be needed by others - why categorical? If you don’t understand something - these are your problems - keep silent, no one is obligated to explain and persuade you. And pouring your annoyance on the public is ugly.
                    1. +3
                      12 March 2020 09: 19
                      Quote: Victor N
                      If you don’t understand something - these are your problems - keep silent, no one is obligated to explain and persuade you. And pouring your annoyance on the public is ugly.

                      You would have brought your great understanding to ... those who did not. Does it exist, of course. And not just "approves"
            2. +21
              11 March 2020 09: 18
              Many analysts are predicting a financial crisis .. of unprecedented proportions, so the guarantor is in a hurry, to guarantee his stay until the end of time ..
          2. +37
            11 March 2020 06: 11
            so as not to repeat past mistakes and in a difficult international situation not to change horses at the ferry
            Wow, how familiar it is! Before each federal election - "horses in the ferry do not change"! Forgive me, but if the horses are exhausted long ago or have died altogether, should they stick around in the middle of the ferry with irreplaceable horses? Until the piranhas eat them?
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              1. +34
                11 March 2020 06: 22
                Firstly, the thesis of impressive foreign policy successes is very controversial. In Syria, we already did ISIS * several times (lost count), and where you saw the end of the Syrian epic with Turkey - FIG knows.
                Secondly, what about those "foreign policy feats" of the Russian population, which has been getting poorer for 6 years in a row? Will people sleep better from this? Eat more satisfying? Love wives more actively?
            2. +19
              11 March 2020 06: 17
              Quote: Dalny V
              and if the horses were exhausted long ago or even died
              They may not have died, but it stinks of them for a long time. ((
              1. +5
                11 March 2020 10: 20
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Maybe they didn’t die, but it stinks from them for a long time

                Yes, this sweat is so smelly, from "workhorse".
                1. +3
                  11 March 2020 12: 24
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Yes, this sweat is so smelly, from the "workhorse".

                  No, these slaves on the galleys are so fragrant.
            3. +11
              11 March 2020 08: 23
              Quote: Dalny V
              "they don't change horses in the crossing"!

              Change the coachman!
            4. +14
              11 March 2020 10: 45
              With its dubious steps, the GDP loves to shift the unsuccessful result from itself to outsiders. Failures in the economy are the entire decline in oil prices. bullying Russia in foreign media - this is all the machinations you yourself know who. But if you need to praise yourself-so with me Russia rose from its knees. She got up from her knees, but got up with cancer. So, any passerby polishka can give Russia fire with impunity ..... And he stands nearby and condemns, they say we know who did this and we know for what purpose. But from this, the shame of Russia does not become less. There comes a moment of truth for the Constitutional Court. Logically, the court should not consider the Tereshkova amendment, but should give it up without consideration, because the current constitution does not say that GDP can be elected endlessly. And if it is not written, then there is nothing to consider. By the way, a convenient situation for GDP is due to the unpopularity of the Tereshkova amendment. You can mix the whole thing, they say. it's not my fault - this is all the Constitutional Court.
            5. +5
              11 March 2020 11: 54
              I recall the words of General Lebed:
              "They don't change horses at the crossing, donkeys must be changed!"
              I suppose that at this stage it’s not even donkeys, but a drover ...
      2. +42
        11 March 2020 06: 09
        Not tired of the mantra about the 90s? Are they really over? The country is not a constant population decline? There is no collapse of industry, education, health? Yes, there were minimal changes: the most frostbitten brothers shot each other, the less frostbitten legalized, the relatively smart - grown together with power. And the people as they ate this last same without salt, so eats.
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      3. +18
        11 March 2020 06: 17
        Why counterbalance? What, there is nobody but Putin who could be the president and preserve the power of the state?
        1. +10
          11 March 2020 10: 24
          Certero, at the "top" no, and "from the people" will not be allowed there, obviously.
      4. +36
        11 March 2020 06: 18
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Better order than returning to the dashing 90s with a weak state and lawlessness on the streets.

        "Who did the stock exchange fall on? Who screams, splashing saliva?
        This is the one who stole everything - liquid pedoliberal!
        And we have Great Lent, and we have spiritual growth!
        We took the Crimea and take Lviv, just give a command, Vova.
        New order! New order!
        We know from the cradle, remember from the notebooks.
        New order! New order!
        Song bell, gingerbread sweet.
        From Santiago to Baghdad - burn, athlete, dance pop!
        We will teach the Earth globe our mischievous truth.
        Under the pin dos doskupt against cats and pandas,
        Against peace and good - hit him - hurray, hurray! "
    2. +5
      11 March 2020 06: 05
      Yeah ... a renewable source ..
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And tithing doesn’t really want to pay
      I don’t want to, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are "one more oil" for the authorities.
    3. -19
      11 March 2020 06: 16
      The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity and even a harmful document! Under true popular democracy - Socialism - this is, indeed, a Document! Therefore, all these liberal-defeatist gags should be tied up, and the talk-house slammed down — the Duma and the Federation Council should be dispersed, the GDP to the throne and there’s nothing to suffer by selling the country to please the western corporation!
      We do not have any active and ideological Bolsheviks ready for the sake of their ideals to go to the barricades - some pink clowns receiving money in the same State Department! And since a return to Socialism is not expected, then let there be authoritarianism with a raid of monarchy — it is dearer and closer to Russia! Even for legitimacy, you can take any half-crazy distant relative of the Romanovs from the gloomy dens of Amsterdam into the light of day and shove them into the Kremlin for tsiru laughing
      Under authoritarianism, the country always flourished - starting with Ivan the Terrible, and as soon as democracy came, it immediately slipped into the closet! Either the turmoil, the era of palace coups, the Decembrists, the heyday of terror under Alexander the Liberator, the collapse of the empire with his liberal granddaughter, the collapse of agriculture during the thaw and the collapse of the country during the spotty! Well, liberal-democratic times of Yeltsin have already found everything - wars, civil strife, total impoverishment of the population ... And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??
      1. +26
        11 March 2020 06: 43
        Quote: Finches
        The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity

        well then the direct road to sharia
        Quote: Finches
        . And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

        or maybe this democracy has not yet existed, but at the helm were scammers and careerists?
        1. -11
          11 March 2020 06: 55
          Sharia is not our tradition! Nevertheless, according to Sharia law, Saudi Arabia lives and, you know, it lives perfectly! And in our blood Orthodox authoritarianism. In the difficult year of the Great Patriotic War, Joseph Vissarionovich, among other things, turned to someone - the Church, history, reviving the cults of ancient heroes and powerful rulers: Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov .... And everything fell into place - because it was to the people he turned to his roots, to that mighty dark folk power coming from pokon centuries, thirsty, including a strong ruler .... and after that the fascist rolled back from Moscow! Then the country was raised from ruins, etc.
          And with the so-called Western democracy, the scammers and scammers will always be at the helm - because they invented it for themselves! Democracy never happened - it’s just the fantasies and inventions of the ancient Greeks, who successfully used cunning Anglo-Saxons, covering their colonial atrocities and the slave trade, and then planted the whole world on it - and we opened our mouths! Our system is authoritarianism and no nails - we are not Luxembourg, but the Russian Empire - the center of the Slavic and Orthodox culture of the world! Pink snot is needed only by clowns - such as Ukraine - it is like a democracy, only the country is run from the State Department! Even Germany is controlled from the State Department! Rather, from Walt Street - this is what democracy is for! And they hung noodles on your ears - elections, the Constitution, freedom of speech ... - and went the national wealth of Russia to the West, and the Russian people in one place!
          1. +12
            11 March 2020 07: 01
            Quote: Finches
            Sharia is not our tradition!

            I agree, Eugene! But now we have another tradition - in power to the death and from the throne, only forward with your feet! So it was with the kings, only Nicholas II exception. And what good is this tradition? How did the permanent leadership of Stalin end? - Khrushchev! Brezhnev? - Gorbachev!
            Take America for example: only 2 terms, the country lives, it does not shake or fall apart. Maybe A.S. Pushkin- "Enemies are our best friends, they teach us wisdom"? And we don't learn in any way! hi
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 07: 08
              hi America has its own political tradition and we will never be able to live like that - it's like genes in a person! That's the problem! England has its own political tradition ... Western Europe, there is its own - after the Reformation! In Japan, the Emperor is a sacred person for Japan. In China, the Communist Party is like the successor of all the Qin dynasties ... You see! In the historical state, not clown remodelers, such as Ukraine and Belarus, but real ones, one cannot bring what goes against the genes! It’s like transplantation - not all organs take root or take root poorly! Why Socialism has taken root - a combination of popular democracy and the authoritarianism of monarchism! In short, I hope you understand my idea ... It’s just that there’s no time to write, you need to go sow the rational, the good, the eternal ... laughing
              1. +20
                11 March 2020 09: 23
                Quote: Finches
                Why Socialism has taken root - a combination of popular democracy and the authoritarianism of monarchism!

                Eugene, socialism took root, because the man was protected and was confident in the future. And now the situation is absolutely the opposite. And when the guarantor strives to rule forever, but still not showing results, while driving the country's population into poverty, against the backdrop of rich friends .. it will not bring any good to anyone ..
              2. +2
                11 March 2020 10: 32
                Quote: Finches
                In short, I hope you understand my idea ... It’s just that there’s no time to write, you need to go sow the rational, the good, the eternal ...

                Thank you, true thought, support.
              3. +1
                11 March 2020 17: 59
                Yes, proclaim him emperor, in the end! And then the fifth, sixth term ... Not seriously.
            2. +2
              11 March 2020 08: 21
              Quote: Silvestr
              How did the permanent leadership of Stalin end? - Khrushchev! Brezhnev? - Gorbachev!

              After a short stay in power, Lenin had a long reign of Stalin. We all rate the board as positive. After decades. Yes, then Khrushchev came - you correctly noticed that. He didn’t come for long, but managed to get things done - do not worry about my mother. Then Brezhnev came for a long time. And also this period is evaluated in principle positively. But between Brezhnev and Gorbachev, you missed the short reign of Chernenko and Andropov. So here the conclusion is more likely in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of the quick-changing temporary workers.
              1. +9
                11 March 2020 08: 34
                Quote: Less
                in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of quickly replacing each other

                You yourself noted that at first everything was good for the country, but in all cases the final was unsuitable. And the last is remembered. Chernenko and Andropov did not bring significant changes to our lives.
                So a long stay in power ends equally badly in the end.
                1. +3
                  11 March 2020 08: 40
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  So a long stay in power ends equally badly in the end.

                  However, there are no “good” examples of short rule either. Yes, Chernenko and Andropov did not show anything significant. But then there are only (if not counting Khrushchev) Gorbachev, EBN, Medvedev ... And this is not something to be proud of, will you agree?
                  1. +7
                    11 March 2020 08: 51
                    Quote: Less
                    EBN, Medvedev ... And this is far from something to be proud of, agree?

                    I agree. But these figures only appeared after long-sitting leaders and not without personal sympathies from these leaders, as if by
                    1. +2
                      11 March 2020 09: 18
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      But these figures only appeared after long-sitting leaders and not without personal sympathies from these leaders,

                      This phrase can be attributed only to Medvedev.
                      There is no hint that Stalin protested Khrushchev for the post of head of state.
                      Gorbachev came to power not after Brezhnev, but after the short-term rule of Chernenko and Andropov. And Brezhnev could not protect Gorbachev.
                      EBN came after a short-term Gorbachev. And also not thanks, but contrary to Gorbachev.
                      1. +9
                        11 March 2020 10: 01
                        Quote: Less
                        This phrase can be attributed only to Medvedev.

                        What about Gorbachev? He was a protege of Andropov
                      2. +1
                        11 March 2020 10: 43
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        What about Gorbachev? He was a protege of Andropov

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        these figures appeared after long-sitting leaders

                        Andropov cannot be counted among the "long-sitting". One short-term worker replaced the other. And it so happened that the power (superpower) did not survive three short-term periods in a row.
                2. +6
                  11 March 2020 10: 40
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Chernenko and Andropov did not bring significant changes to our lives.

                  Chernenko, yes, but under Andropov, a group of individuals headed by Sobchak and KGB curator Kalugin, which included Gaidar, Chubais and others, were sent "for an internship", who immediately after the coup took key positions in government (and are still sitting). All this is not a simple coincidence, and the "hunchback" was also removed from the store, not just like that.
                  1. +6
                    11 March 2020 10: 54
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    ... All this is not a simple coincidence, and the "hunchback" too

                    You are probably right
              2. +4
                11 March 2020 11: 17
                Quote: Less
                So here the conclusion is more likely in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of the quick-changing temporary workers.

                Yes, but given the fact that the person at the helm does not behave like a temporary worker. What I can’t say about Putin.
                So you kind of agree with the positive rule of Stalin, and with the regression during the reign of Khrushchev, Gorbachev. But in the conclusions against turnover. But what if Khrushchev or Gorbachev are at the helm? Or Putin? Indeed, according to the results of the (economic) board, Putin is even worse than Gorbachev. Can still look for a new Stalin?
                1. 0
                  11 March 2020 11: 55
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  What I can’t say about Putin.

                  I do not specifically touch on Putin’s rule, because you can talk about the results of his rule after a couple of decades. Up to this point, any discussion will wallow in endless debate.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  So you kind of agree with the positive rule of Stalin

                  Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  with regression during the reign of Khrushchev,

                  The system built by Stalin managed to defend himself by removing Khrushchev from power. After Brezhnev, perhaps due to the fact that immediately the two subsequent rulers died too quickly, the system crashed.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But in the conclusions against turnover

                  Changeability is inevitable due to the limited duration of human life. I am NOT against changeability, I am FOR continuity. The country should have a more or less clearly defined line of development. And the country should follow it regardless of the person in power. Depending on the current and projected conditions, adjustments, reforms and modernization must and simply must be made, but the main line must be stable. And at the same time, the system should be able to protect itself from the new "Gorbachev - Khrushchev". It should not be such that a new one came - he broke everything, began to do his own way, did not have time (died or was re-elected), another came in his place - broke everything unfinished first, started from scratch everything in his own way, did not have time and so on endlessly and the edges. So the country will forever live in poverty and ruin, and people will curse or admire one particular ruler. On the good we (the people, I mean) should not really care who is in power.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Can still look for a new Stalin?

                  You can search. And you can grow and educate. And this is a more realistic option than blind search.
                  1. -1
                    11 March 2020 13: 35
                    Quote: Less
                    for it is possible to speak about the results of his reign after a couple of decades.

                    They have already passed.
                    Quote: Less
                    Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.

                    Yes, but that no one would interfere with him, he surrounded himself with loyal people who did not "dynamize" his orders.
                    Quote: Less
                    I am NOT against changeability, I am for continuity.

                    This rule is good for the state ONLY subject to an independent and fair ruler. At this time, Yeltsin's successor did not betray the covenants of the mentor. According to the results in the economy.
                    Quote: Less
                    And you can grow and educate. And this is a more realistic option,

                    Who will do this and how under the ruling compador system? Under the announced patriotism, the "Nashists" quickly deflated and fled abroad. Understand, having destroyed the system of vocational education, it is foolish to rely on the appearance of professionals. There will be no miracle, or there will be no viburnum from the mountain ash. hi
                    1. -1
                      11 March 2020 13: 52
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      There will be no miracle, or there will be no viburnum from the mountain ash.

                      You could write much shorter - Putin is to blame for everything. But this is your personal opinion. I see no reason to argue on this topic. You were interested in my position on turnover - I clarified it. And you immediately forgot about her, trying to simplify everything to one single word - Putin. Boring. Chesslovo - boring.
                      1. +1
                        11 March 2020 14: 09
                        Quote: Less
                        You could write much shorter - Putin is to blame for everything. But this is your personal opinion.

                        Are you familiar with the concept of a power pyramid? If a person is not a pawn and not a protege of the oligarchs, then it is he who is responsible for his team. And Putin’s almost all of her own typed, and many of his friends since childhood and youth. His whole team is his friends, with whom he was friends, served, worked even before the presidency. There are no random people there.
                        And how do you think a person should be responsible for the actions of a personally typed team?
                        Take the example of Stalin, and even Hitler - the officials of the USSR and Germany worked unlike the current ones. I cited Germany as an example for contrast, in order to show that even under capitalism it is possible to correctly and correctly develop a country.
                        In both cases, ideology was the engine, but only Putin excluded it from the development vector. A car without wheels will not go.
                      2. +4
                        11 March 2020 14: 18
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        In both cases, ideology was the engine, but only Putin excluded it from the development vector. A car without wheels will not go.

                        I’ll fix it a bit - the engine and wheels are completely different.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Take the example of Stalin, and even Hitler

                        I already told you that it will be possible to really evaluate the results of Putin’s rule a couple of decades after his departure.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Are you familiar with the concept of a power pyramid?

                        Could you remind me of the essence of our dialogue? And then, for the endless mention of Putin, I seem to have forgotten what you want from me?
                      3. +1
                        11 March 2020 14: 26
                        Quote: Less
                        I’ll fix it a bit - the engine and wheels are completely different.

                        I agree.
                        Quote: Less
                        I already told you that it will be possible to really evaluate the results of Putin’s rule a couple of decades after his departure.

                        Vicious form of thinking. After the fight, they don’t wave their fists.
                        Quote: Less
                        Could you remind me of the essence of our dialogue?

                        There is a wheel on the mouse, and if you spin it, the essence will be right before your eyes! wink good
                        Joking as a joke, but in this case we need real changeability, or an absolute monarchy with the transfer of the throne by inheritance. Only in this case, the head of state will be vitally interested in the development of the country, because in essence it will be his property, and not a life-time feeding trough. I hope you understand my idea.
                      4. -1
                        11 March 2020 15: 39
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Vicious form of thinking. After the fight, they don’t wave their fists.

                        Two simple examples. Of those that you brought. The possessed Fuhrer in 1939 is actually the hero of the nation. Anschluss of Austria, the Sudetenland and the Rhine region. I would stop here - to be him a great historical figure, and not an international criminal.
                        Stalin. Collectivization. How great is its popularity among the peasants, who at that time were the majority and from whom cattle and land were taken in favor of collective farms, which no one had ever seen before?
                        Stalin. December 1941. Wehrmacht near Moscow. The country, despite all the pre-war efforts on the verge of collapse. Let's say at this moment someone else is standing at the helm. No matter what the outcome of the war would be. Stalin would remain a leader in which the enemy reached Moscow.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        but in this case we need real turnover,

                        Agas. That's why I will say so. Do you believe that Putin is immortal? I do not believe. Therefore (my personal opinion, which I do not cover with any slogans and do not impose on anyone) Putin is trying to create a system of stable development of the state. This is not the first day that spears have been breaking about God in the Constitution, about zeroing the deadlines. And everyone forgot about the State Council. And in my opinion, all the amendments are called upon only so that the amendment about the State Council passes. Everything else - so that officials and oligarchs do not obstruct. Yes, I admit that the real power for some time will remain with Putin, who holds the post of head of the State Council. But Putin is not in power forever (sooner or later someone will replace him) and he needs to manage to create a mechanism for a smooth transition of power from one president to another. So that the new person in power "does not break the wood". Yes, for some time it will not be noticeable, but the system should gain strength. However, I have already spoken about the need for continuity in the line of development of the state. "There is a wheel on the mouse, and if you spin it," you can see it.
                        And the ideal form of transfer of power does not exist. Even among the monarchs who were brought up and taught precisely in order to rule the state, worthless rulers often met. Party Central Committee? Alas, the system is not at all perfect, as it turned out. Democracy? When before the election it is unknown who and everyone praises him? Well, you yourself understand. Therefore, the idea of ​​the State Council against this background looks no worse than anything else.
                      5. +3
                        11 March 2020 15: 50
                        Quote: Less
                        Stalin. Collectivization.

                        Stalin in 1939 was a person and a very competent manager.
                        Quote: Less
                        Putin is trying to create a system of stable development of the state.

                        Nationalization of the extractive industry? No. Decree issued banning export of round timber (forest)? No. Has a progressive taxation system been introduced? No. What specifically expresses Putin’s attempts to create a state development system?
                        Quote: Less
                        And the ideal form of transfer of power does not exist.

                        I know, but the monarchy from my point of view is the best form of power.
                      6. -2
                        11 March 2020 19: 46
                        Nationalization is impractical. Saw - no power. Progressive taxation is not yet ripe. No, you can dream, but do ...
                      7. +4
                        12 March 2020 16: 15
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Nationalization is impractical.

                        Why did you decide this?
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Saw - no power.

                        So you need to create, because it is money and jobs.
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Progressive taxation is not yet ripe.

                        Because friends oligarchs are not yet mentally ready?
                        Super arguments! good
                      8. -1
                        13 March 2020 12: 23
                        Well, do not enroll applicants for the V course! These are not topics of public discussions at the sanatorium.
                    2. 0
                      18 March 2020 01: 23
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: Less
                      Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.

                      Yes, but that no one would interfere with him, he surrounded himself with loyal people who did not "dynamize" his orders.

                      Addition: Stalin surrounded not only faithful, but also talented people. Or, at least, experts in their field.
                  2. +11
                    11 March 2020 14: 35
                    Quote: Less
                    for it is possible to speak about the results of his reign after a couple of decades.

                    why wait a long time? you can talk now:
                    Saved the country, yes!
                    The number of billionaires increased, yes
                    The country rose from its knees - doubtfully
                    Human rights respected - no
                    Life has become better - not everyone and not everywhere
                    Corruption won, no
                    Keeps His Promises - No
                    1. -5
                      11 March 2020 15: 36
                      You were kindly advised not to rush. It helps not to say absurdities. Any assessment is very subjective, the truth is difficult to grow through history.
                      1. +7
                        11 March 2020 20: 42
                        Quote: Victor N
                        You were kindly advised not to rush.

                        Have you advised anything?
              3. kin
                +1
                11 March 2020 12: 17
                He didn’t come for long, but managed to get things done - do not worry about my mother.

                Can I give you more details on this?
              4. 0
                12 March 2020 09: 26
                Quote: Less
                Khrushchev came - you rightly noticed that. Didn’t come for long

                Is this how much? By US standards, more than two presidential terms.
            3. 0
              11 March 2020 09: 27
              Quote: Silvestr
              Take America for example: only 2 terms

              This is two terms right now. That's just at the helm some shit, the country is in collapse compared to 50-60 years. But really the great President Roosevelt taxied for 4 terms, and taxied from a terrible ass.
              1. +9
                11 March 2020 10: 02
                Quote: ZAV69
                But the really great President Roosevelt steered 4 terms,


                it is rather an exception. than the rule
                1. +2
                  11 March 2020 11: 14
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  it is rather an exception. than the rule

                  True, if you really need to, then the rules can be neglected.
            4. +7
              11 March 2020 10: 12
              Quote: Silvestr
              "Enemies are our best friends, they teach us wisdom"

              "But I fear more than those
              who torments me with caresses "
              Great lines good and brought to the place, but this is Gavrila Romanovich Derzhavin. hi
              1. +10
                11 March 2020 10: 14
                Quote: Galleon
                but this is Gavrila Romanovich Derzhavin.

                thanks for the amendment hi
          2. +2
            11 March 2020 21: 00
            And I agree with you. The problem is not in the long term of rule, but in the fact that there is a mechanism for changing the ruler who has lost the confidence of the people. By the way, this is the favorite wording of the modern Presidential Administration, but they are unlikely to be happy to apply it to their loved ones. In Russia, there should be a personification of the supreme power - so that there is someone specifically to blame for the outrage, and to whom to give glory for the successes of the state (the entire state, not the "Capitol"). This is the Ethnopsychology of our people, these are Archetypes, and these are wonderful archetypes! And you see, Putin is "tired" of personal responsibility, tired of making excuses to the suckers, actually playing the role of the Watchman, trying to settle the interests of the oligarchs. That's where the accursed Galera is! Therefore, let the indistinct State Council puff out - that is, "a group of comrades" - that is, no one. You can't ask the Collective State Council a question, you can't even scold him, scolding a sign is ridiculous. But he was really tired - you can understand it purely humanly - tired of taking the rap at the expense of his personal charisma for all the "new boyars", "new landowners", for the PPP - the Party of Putin's Fellow Travelers, called EdRo, with all the artists, athletes, creative managers. That is why the whole pack muddied this get-together called "Amendments", and therefore muddied it with a "single package", and even with enticements - who about God (really, what kind of God?), Who about "Russianness", who about breakfasts. And then they started asking questions at conferences - about Ideology, about socialism. State Council to you, here! AND
      2. +25
        11 March 2020 07: 07
        Quote: Finches
        To disperse the Duma and the Federation Council, GDP to the throne and there’s nothing to suffer by selling nonsense to please a western corporation!

        Correctly!!! This is our answer to Chamberlain! Give the Tsar !!! All power to the Tsar !!! Earth to the King, Factories to the King! God Save the Tsar! Hooray!
        And you sorry at the tsarist regime in what ranks do you see yourself? In serfs, laborers, merchants, or at once this prince-dukes?
        1. -11
          11 March 2020 07: 14
          Who are you, the oligarch? Or because hung up with loans has a Ford Focus and an apartment in a mortgage, the opportunity to go to Turkey is not a peasant and a serf, but like, a free man? laughing What is to me? Here you are all outraged, but tomorrow the Kremlin will say "Get out!" and all of you, dissatisfied, will go silently! What, behind your indignation (here I not only mean you personally) is the determination to go to the barricades ?? Liberals sometimes go out to Bolotnaya - do you? Therefore, there is no need to la-la - fighters against the "bloody" regime, if there is no deed behind the words! And I am for an authoritarian regime, and since it so happened - let it be Putin! And in any election-shvybar you need to save money and that's it!
          1. +11
            11 March 2020 11: 22
            Quote: Finches
            And I am for an authoritarian regime, and since it so happened - let Putin be!

            Eugene, I am also for authoritarianism, but Putin is not suitable for this role, because he is not an independent person. A charismatic personality is suitable for this role, but not a person who is not able to enforce the decrees (May wink ) from the pyramid of power built by yourself.
            1. -5
              11 March 2020 18: 08
              hi This is the problem, but where to get them! And GDP is like a lesser evil among other things!
              1. +4
                12 March 2020 16: 16
                Quote: Finches
                And GDP is like a lesser evil among other things!

                Don't you think this thought is artificially imposed? No alternative?
        2. 0
          11 March 2020 11: 15
          Quote: Malyuta
          In serfs, laborers, merchants, or at once this prince-dukes?

          Well, as always, what is written in your forefront.
          1. +15
            11 March 2020 11: 33
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Well, as always, what is written in your forefront.

            Comrade, it’s really not clear to me what some citizens are offering, either some kind of stsar, then the supreme ruler, or the braces. What is in their heads ..... Adults, but how are they children.
            1. +6
              11 March 2020 11: 35
              Quote: Malyuta
              What is in their heads ..... Adults, but how are they children.

              Dollars, euros and other earthly goods.
      3. +16
        11 March 2020 07: 19
        Quote: Finches
        Well, liberal-democratic times of Yeltsin have already found everything - wars, civil strife, total impoverishment of the population ... And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

        Was Yeltsin who shot the Supreme Soviet from tanks a liberal and a democrat?
        You, dear Zyablitsov joker ....
        1. -17
          11 March 2020 07: 21
          He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!
          1. -2
            11 March 2020 09: 13
            Quote: Finches
            He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!

            That is exactly what was respected Eugene! Now they want to repeat something similar in Russia .. Many have refrained)))
          2. +1
            11 March 2020 11: 18
            Quote: Finches
            Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough!

            The division of the feeder does not do without blood.
          3. +1
            13 March 2020 08: 31
            Quote: Finches
            He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!

            I agree. Moreover, Russian "librarians - democrats" do not at all coincide with the interpretation of these terms from dictionaries. Let's remember the "democrats" in 1993
        2. +1
          11 March 2020 11: 16
          Quote: Odyssey
          Was Yeltsin who shot the Supreme Soviet from tanks a liberal and a democrat?

          One joker parliament set fire, the second joker parliament shot. It happens to everyone.
      4. +7
        11 March 2020 08: 14
        Quote: Finches
        The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity and even a harmful document!

        of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
        since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
        and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6
        Active suffrage for women introduced June 4, 1919 August 18, 1920 text
        No. 20 Set expiry date for Congress and President. March 2, 1932 January 23, 1933 text.
        No. 21 Repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment; however, state-level alcohol restrictions are allowed. February 20, 1933 December 5, 1933 text
        No. 22 The same person may serve no more than two terms as president March 24, 1947 February 27, 1951 text
        No. 23 In the presidential election, Washington must be represented in the Electoral College by the same number of electors as it would be if it were a separate state, but no more than the least populated state June 16, 1960 March 29, 1961 text
        No. 24 Prohibition of restriction of voting rights on the grounds of non-payment of tax September 14, 1962 January 23, 1964 text
        No. 25 Determines the procedure for exercising the powers of the president in the event of early termination of the powers of the president (the vice president becomes president) July 6, 1965 February 23, 1967 text
        No. 26 Introduces universal active suffrage at age 18 throughout the United States March 23, 1971 July 1, 1971 tex

        This is for 100 years.
        Sweden’s constitution was adopted in 1810 and has not changed much and there are dozens and dozens of examples --- EXACTLY CAPITALIST countries differ in the immutability of constitutions.
        Unlike the countries of socialism and their last - changing constitution every other day for a third.
        1. -1
          11 March 2020 08: 17
          Quote: atalef
          of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
          since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
          and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

          And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution .. And how do you live, according to the Talmud? )))))
          1. +2
            11 March 2020 12: 35
            Quote: Nadsor
            Quote: atalef
            of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
            since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
            and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

            And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution .. And how do you live, according to the Talmud? )))))

            In Israel, English law, in England there is no constitution, are they like, according to the Bible, they live?
            Although where does it
            State Duma adopted 360!!! (360 Karl) - amendments to the constitution of which as much as 29 years
            in the United States for 230 le ---- 27 amendments.
            Wonderful things are your Lord
            Quote: Nadsor
            And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution

            Do you have it like laughing
            It’s good that there is - there is something to change every other day for a third.
            Tomorrow will be amended that the sandwich must be with butter and cheese laughing
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 13: 05
              Quote: atalef
              Do you have it like

              We have ..)))
              Quote: atalef
              In Israel, English law, in England there is no constitution, are they like, according to the Bible, they live?

              Well, England does not need to attach Atalef to the tail ..
              By what law do you live in Israel and are you still trying to humiliate us in Russia? Question in the forehead and take off the skullcap ..
              You all climb to us with moralizing, but what if we are to you?
              Suppose the illegality of this artificial bloody formation, etc. ?
              You do not have a constitution or anything else ... Do you sit in the tolmud?
              1. +1
                11 March 2020 13: 32
                Quote: Nadsor
                We have ..

                by whom and in what place?
                Quote: Nadsor
                Well, England does not need to attach Atalef to the tail

                why? We have English law (and a little Turkish in the land code - a legacy from the Ottoman Empire, so cadastral records, even 150 years old or more, are recognized and unshakable) is a fact.
                What to do about it? Nothing.
                Quote: Nadsor
                By what law do you live in Israel and are you still trying to humiliate us in Russia?

                According to the code of laws of Israel.
                familiarize yourself with the concept of law (legal system) and the law - then you will understand
                Quote: Nadsor
                are you still trying to humiliate us in Russia?

                Why humiliate it?
                It's ridiculously simple.
                Zeroing laughing
                Quote: Nadsor
                You all climb to us with moralizing, but what if we are to you?

                Wellcome.
                Zero our Bibi laughing
                Quote: Nadsor
                Suppose the illegality of this artificial bloody formation, etc. ?

                ooooo
                Illegality, bloody.
                Well, about illegality - decipher, laugh.
                What about the bloody one?
                In our elections, the Arab party is the 3rd largest in parliament and most likely the Arab will be the chairman of the opposition in parliament.
                We probably cut them a little recourse
                Quote: Nadsor
                You have no constitution and others

                You have and have something to be proud of wink
                I wonder if Putin will survive until 2036, what will you reset to zero?
                Quote: Nadsor
                Are you sitting in the tolmud?

                No, usually on chairs.
                Honestly, the Talmud has never read and didn’t even hold it in your hands. As an expert on enlightenment, what are you talking about? Probably about goyim again laughing
        2. +3
          11 March 2020 11: 19
          The Swedish Constitution consists of four fundamental documents. The most important of these, the Form of Government Act, was passed in 1975. The fourth document was adopted in 1991. And only the Act of Succession has been in effect since 1809.
        3. +1
          11 March 2020 13: 08
          Quote: atalef
          and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

          It is necessary to compose more. One Prilepin composed 12 amendments.
      5. +12
        11 March 2020 09: 33
        Under authoritarianism, the country always flourished - starting with Ivan the Terrible, and as soon as democracy came, it immediately slipped into the closet! Either the turmoil, the era of palace coups, the Decembrists, the heyday of terror under Alexander the Liberator, the collapse of the empire with his liberal granddaughter, the collapse of agriculture during the thaw and the collapse of the country during the spotty! Well, liberal-democratic times of Yeltsin have already found everything - wars, civil strife, total impoverishment of the population ... And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

        Well, yes, tyranny is not at all the opposite of democracy, but rather one of its varieties with the delegation of authority to a specific person, in contrast to the oligarchic form that has been established now. So I am also a tyrant, since we are not coming out with democracy.
        But Putin is not suitable for the role of a tyrant. He was put by the oligarchy, and he will continue to defend its interests, "until his last breath," so to speak ...
      6. 0
        15 March 2020 12: 27
        Please return to the hospital
    4. +30
      11 March 2020 06: 33
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I don’t want to, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are "one more oil" for the authorities.

      Comrade, we have entered the final part of the act of the greatest tragicomedy farce of the 20th-21st centuries, called "Utilization of Russia".
      Many simply do not want to understand and see what is happening, they do not want to analyze, while others simply do not have critical thinking at all and they don’t understand cause-effect relationships.
      In fact, there is nothing easier to follow the chronology of Gorbachev-Eltsinism-Putinism, which is incomprehensible here? Yesterday, Hero of the Soviet Union, Mrs. Tereshkova (sounds beautiful), to the sounds of the USSR anthem, hard-hit our battered space ship directly with its nose into the ground.
      I don’t even understand who is more sorry, those who understand everything or those who do not want to do this. Most likely the first, since the second will drag the first behind them on an entertaining journey of searching for the bottom.
      1. +1
        11 March 2020 07: 23
        The bottom came for Russia in 1991 - when everyone was happy about McDonald's coming to Moscow ... laughing
        1. +4
          11 March 2020 08: 17
          Quote: Finches
          The bottom came for Russia in 1991 - when everyone was happy about McDonald's coming to Moscow ... laughing

          mcdonalds then here and 7 Is it like he collapsed the USSR?
          Let's hit a burger for sloppiness, bureaucracy and communism !!!!
          laughing
          1. -4
            11 March 2020 08: 35
            This is a metaphor, but you, apparently, cannot understand it ...
            1. +3
              11 March 2020 12: 40
              Quote: Finches
              This is a metaphor.

              Metaphor, mmmmmmmm?
              What did the author -> author -> author mean?
              Metaphor (Greek: μεταφορά “transference; figurative meaning”, from μετά “above” + φορός “bearing”) - a word or expression used in a figurative meaning, which is based on a comparison of an unnamed subject or phenomenon with any other based on their common characteristic

              Wasn’t Eugene hinting at the USA in his Aesopian language?

              Quote: Finches
              The bottom came for Russia in 1991

              Then the question is, what became of the bottom for 20 years of reign of the sun?
              Have you struck a new one or rose from your knees?
              1. 0
                18 March 2020 01: 55
                Quote: atalef
                Have you struck a new one or rose from your knees?

                Yes, and more than one bottom was broken ... Ulyukaev and Siluanov will confirm that they are specialists in breaking through the bottom and finding a new one.
            2. 0
              11 March 2020 13: 21
              Quote: Finches
              This is a metaphor, but you, apparently, cannot understand it ...

              And there are many divorced ..
        2. +10
          11 March 2020 08: 34
          Quote: Finches
          when everyone was happy about McDonald’s coming to Moscow ..

          I was not happy. It was disgusting to look at the crowd, I do not know what to call them, dreaming of touching the stub of an overseas sandwich.
          1. +11
            11 March 2020 09: 57
            Maybe we need to look not only at what will be “added” and “changed” in the Constitution, but also at what will be “removed” from it on the sly. And they will remove quite a few, many believe that if we remove the priority of the ECHR, then we will "live", like, here it is the "freedom" of Russian legislation over the Western! ... BUT, in many cases, an appeal to the ECHR is the only chance to force the snickering Russian authorities and officials to fulfill their social obligations to a Russian citizen or to stop the arbitrariness of these authorities, officials and their "guardsmen" of various kinds over the citizens of Russia. That is, in fact, such changes to the Constitution, removing the priority of human rights and the ECHR, are preparing a form of government that will leave a person in Russia alone with a corrupt and imprisoned "judicial system" without the possibility of an appeal. Do you understand where this will lead? This is the first thing. Secondly, all the "fuss" is supposedly started in order to ATTENTION! "to strengthen the role of parliament" in the state, almost changing the state form of government from "presidential to parliamentary". However, if you look closely, what is changing? And what changes ... but nothing. As the president could recommend his candidate for the "prime minister", he will continue to recommend it, no one will prohibit it, and as he approved his candidacy, he will maintain, the only thing that will "change" is that the Duma itself can to nominate his own candidate for "prime ministers", and if the president does not like this candidate, then having gone through the rest, the President will dissolve the Duma! That is, think about it, the people chose the Duma, and the President will take it and dissolve it, just because he does not "like" the Duma candidate for the post of prime minister! It's cool, yes, such "legislative tricks" are called "replacement" of the presidential form of government - "parliamentary"! "Replacement" -aha. Now about the notorious "state council" - supposedly an advisory body mainly represented by the "governors" and created "to set tasks for the governors." Everyone understands perfectly well that "" there is no meeting and there will not be, there will be a get-together between the owner and those whom he appointed for “feeding in the province.” It is planned to secure there “constitutionally” and “for life” some elected “untouchable” again appointed by the “president” and for what? And the president will head this “council”. , what is also such a form of "parliamentarism"? Then why the Duma with its "committees" “In order to ensure the coordinated functioning and interaction of public authorities, to determine the main directions of the domestic and foreign policy of the Russian Federation and priority areas of the socio-economic development of the state.” (function of the notorious "State Council").
            Now, so beloved by the patriots, the introduced provision about "not an inch of Russian land to the adversaries" - so we read carefully, but there-"with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states),
            that is, it is precisely those reasons for which in recent years Russia has lost even a part of the shelf of the Barents Sea and Damansky Island and other lands and water areas!
            So that it is not prejudiced to look at what is planned to be changed in the Constitution, then all these "changes" are intended to consolidate certain circles in power, create a mechanism for their reproduction there, further deprive citizens of their rights and the opportunity to complain somewhere other than the Basmanny Court ", and everything else (there" about God "," patriotism ", family, etc.) is ordinary, meaningless tinsel added to" cover up the eyes "of the average man, to push through the main thing.
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 11: 32
              No one spoke about the transition to a parliamentary form of government. Putin has repeatedly spoken out that the presidential republic is optimal for Russia. The prime minister will be nominated exclusively by the president. However, if you imagine a hypothetical situation that the parliamentary majority and the president belong to different political forces, then the president will be forced to nominate either a representative of this majority or a politically neutral technocrat. At the same time, power ministers, regardless of the balance of power in the State Duma, will definitely be directly subordinate to the president. It turns out a kind of hybrid of the presidential (in relation to power ministers) and mixed, presidential-parliamentary (in relation to the prime minister and most ministers) republics. In general, it is still basically a presidential republic.
            2. +1
              11 March 2020 11: 42
              The president is ex officio and heads the State Council. Putin said that he was against the idea that in the future the head of the State Council should be someone other than the current president.
            3. -1
              11 March 2020 13: 25
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              ... And they will take away quite a few, many believe that if we remove the priority of the ECHR, then we will "live", like, here it is, "freedom" of Russian legislation over Western!

              Namely, it angers neoliberals and other whiners ..))))
              There are already claims for a trillion and more ha ha ha .. Do you also want to snatch a piece of the body of Russia?
          2. -1
            11 March 2020 12: 44
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I was not happy. It was disgusting to look at the crowd, I do not know what to call them, dreaming of touching the stub of an overseas sandwich.

            In vain, it’s quite normal food to eat.
            Fast, fresh, clean.
            I understand dumplings or pies in 1991 looked better, and the pies from the cat were more familiar.
            But as they say

        3. +7
          11 March 2020 09: 41
          The bottom came for Russia in 1991
          No, much health before. The bottom came when Khrushchev removed the highest party organs from the supervision of state security. And then the bottom came. The Stalinist system of mutual control went into the woods, the countdown to the decay of the head and the appearance of the appendages began.
          1. +9
            11 March 2020 11: 36
            Quote: ZAV69
            when Khrushchev removed the highest party organs from the supervision of state security.

            But is the KGB an example of patriotism and a defender of the state? When the USSR was destroyed where were the Chekists? Trying on new posts. Kostin from VTB, the same Putin, they are from the office. And today's defenders roof cemeteries, are engaged in robbery. Young people in the Gelenvagenah think about their homeland? Do you rely on them? Really funny.
            1. +4
              11 March 2020 12: 04
              You do not understand me. There was cross control. The party was led by the MGB (the KGB was what it was called at that time), the MGB was passing the party elite. Any member of the Central Committee could easily have provided in the basements of bloody gebni, the Leningrad affair as an example. Khrushchev brought the party elite out of control and it rotted. The party elite rotted, followed by the KGB.

              Quote: Silvestr
              And today's defenders roof cemeteries, are engaged in robbery. Do you rely on them? Really funny.


              But I'm not funny unfortunately. We have everything like people, in the same states, for example. The local defenders in the person of the FBI and the CIA are primarily interested in their interest, why should ours be different from them?

              Here it is necessary to buy AK and a box of cartridges for the last dibs, so it will be more true.
              1. +6
                11 March 2020 12: 08
                Quote: ZAV69
                Here it is necessary to buy AK and a box of cartridges for the last dibs, so it will be more true.
                good
              2. +3
                11 March 2020 13: 31
                Without the consent of the Central Committee, not one of its members could be sent to the cellars of the "bloody hebnya".
                1. 0
                  11 March 2020 21: 29
                  In the course of the Leningrad case, a member of the Central Committee, the chairman of the Council of Ministers and the chairman of the state plan were arrested, not counting the secretaries of the regional committee. And you say you could not send ....
                  1. +1
                    11 March 2020 21: 47
                    At the time of their arrest, they had already been dismissed from their posts and removed from the Central Committee. And they have already been politically ostracized. The course of the investigation and the trial were under the direct control of Stalin and Malenkov, who, strictly speaking, was the initiator of the "Leningrad affair". This was a manifestation of the struggle at the top of the party and the state, between, relatively speaking, "Malenkovites" and "Zhdanovites". The MGB was not its initiator; it was an instrument in the hands of Stalin and Malenkov. By the way, Minister Abakumov was also soon removed from office and then arrested.
          2. 0
            11 March 2020 11: 38
            On the other hand, they started talking about strengthening party control over state security agencies under Stalin, after the removal of Abakumov and the appointment of Ignatiev. Although the top party leadership has always controlled the security agencies. The same Yezhov was primarily a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee, Secretary of the Central Committee and chairman of the Party Control Committee, and then the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs.
            1. +6
              11 March 2020 12: 22
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Although the top party leadership has always controlled the security agencies.

              Andropov also came to the authorities from the party
            2. +1
              11 March 2020 13: 38
              Quote: Sergej1972
              On the other hand, they began talking about strengthening party control over state security agencies under Stalin, after the removal of Abakumov and the appointment of Ignatiev

              Not earlier ,
              Terrible when Malyutu appointed.
              They also say that Grozny invented the first X-ray apparatus.
              He still told the boyars, I, you and ... female obaki, I see through and through.
          3. 0
            11 March 2020 18: 12
            Yes, you are absolutely right. I didn’t go deep just hi
  2. +13
    11 March 2020 05: 59
    All our powers that be are terribly far from the people and terribly close to their own pockets.
    1. +2
      11 March 2020 07: 48
      Quote: Van 16
      All our powers that be are terribly far from the people and terribly close to their own pockets.

      So they thought even under RI, is this news for you? wink
      1. +3
        11 March 2020 11: 30
        No, of course .. It’s just that over the past few years it has been so vivid that there are no words ..
  3. +31
    11 March 2020 06: 02
    Vladimir Vladimirovich’s promise not to lead the State Council.

    His promises to all of this are worthless on a market day. To give a word is a noble cause, and to remember a word is a peasant one. He is the master of his own word, he gave the word himself, he took the word away! There is no more faith to the merchant's word.
  4. +23
    11 March 2020 06: 02
    The masks have been reset, it is now clear that we will not vote for the amendments, but to be Putin or not to be in power for another 16 years.
    Here are just the voting results are advisory in nature. So what to be. We are all here just for show, we are not the ones to decide.

    Why do we need political competition ... this is bad.

    These "not very smart" people will bring the country to revolution, because young people have seen the same person in power for 20 YEARS, and they are still offered to watch it for 16 years. To watch how talented children of officials occupy large places in companies, how security officials replaced racketeering from the 90s with low salaries and pensions, etc.

    And most importantly, I personally respected Putin before, that he always kept his word, and now?
    Pension promised not to increase .. increased.
    He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.
    He promised not to hold on to power ... but he holds so that even changes the constitution for himself.

    How tired of all this :(
    1. +19
      11 March 2020 06: 41
      Quote: Bad
      Pension promised not to increase .. increased.
      He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.
      He promised not to hold on to power ... but he holds so that even changes the constitution for himself.

      "Who once lied, who will believe you?" - "The Fruits of Thought" (1854) by Kozma Prutkov.
    2. +2
      11 March 2020 06: 53
      Quote: Bad
      He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.

      But who is against changes in the Constitution aimed at strengthening the state?



      But to establish a monarchy - stop there was no such agreement!
    3. -7
      11 March 2020 07: 52
      Quote: Bad
      Masks reset, now clear

      And you just overtook? wink
      Quote: Bad
      How tired of all this :(

      Pull yourself together. stop
    4. -3
      11 March 2020 09: 18
      The only way out is not to vote. Here they call to "show" to go and vote against. But this is slyness. Whoever goes will be a member of the crowd. It will give an excuse to create the appearance that "the people supported. Half-empty areas, this is what our opinion on these games will show.
      1. +12
        11 March 2020 10: 21
        Quote: Gardamir
        The only way out is not to vote.

        Voting will be recognized as legitimate for any number of voters - the lower turnout threshold is canceled. Therefore, we must go and vote against it. Of course, the results of the vote will be flushed down the toilet and replaced with the necessary ones, but you still have to go. At least not to receive reproaches later.
        1. +1
          11 March 2020 11: 33
          Speaking of legitimacy and turnout threshold, you agree to play by their rules. So the result will be what they need.
          1. +7
            11 March 2020 12: 27
            Quote: Gardamir
            agree to play by their rules

            The result will be necessary for them regardless of the voting results. But this will be their forgery and their crime against their own rules. And these rules in one variation or another are characteristic in general for that mess, which is called democracy. There must be some rules, no one offers others. DO NOT VOTE. It is our indifference that increases their impudence.
        2. +5
          11 March 2020 12: 53
          Quote: Galleon
          Therefore, we must go and vote against it.

          I absolutely agree with every word. Although the result is known. If the guarantor of the Constitution, violating this very Constitution, had at least minimal doubts about the results of this "vote", he would not have started this circus. Everyone understands that all these amendments are just a camouflage for the Tereshkova amendment. However, this time I will go to vote at least so that I can tell adult children who do not know the president, except Putin: "I was against it!"
          1. +2
            12 March 2020 16: 36
            “However, I’ll go to vote this time”

            Go and lose. The Kremlin “thimbles” just need you to COME to the site and “play” according to their rules. At the same time, they are not interested in your opinion, they will only be interested in the appearance and you will provide it with your protest vote, thereby becoming an accomplice in this shameful booth.
            Semi-empty polling stations is what is really scary for them, it will become clear to everyone that people people understood that they were trying to manipulate them and did not let themselves be deceived.
            In such a situation, “drawing” Kholuy’s 50-60% “approval” will not be possible.
            1. -3
              12 March 2020 16: 40
              Quote: Marine Engineer
              In such a situation, “drawing” Kholuy’s 50-60% of “approval” will not be possible

              Easy. It will also be possible to vote "electronically" through "State Services", for example.
      2. +10
        11 March 2020 11: 33
        I read the whole long argument started by my colleague Zyablitsov ...
        Back in the 90s, I had to come across the opinion that some objective features of our country dispose of a totalitarian form of power. Namely:

        - a huge territory (in our country it is the largest in the world);
        - a huge length of borders (we have the largest in the world);
        - low population density, that is, the number of people per square kilometer - and you yourself understand that this is not so with us, and the situation is deteriorating due to the growing extinction and outflow of the population to other countries;
        - the presence of a huge number of small in number of peoples of the opposite mentality and different levels of development in relation to the level of civilization;
        - the presence of many religions, ranging from shamanism to Orthodoxy, some of which seek to take a militant position, having for this a sufficient number of adherents.

        And in such conditions, leading to obvious friability and poor manageability of the state, you need:

        - convey power to every square kilometer of territory;
        - make every kilometer of the border impenetrable;
        - create conditions for prosperity, which means the reproduction of the whole nation as a whole and to the same extent of each nationality, otherwise the place of the whole nation will be occupied by the inhabitants of neighboring countries;
        - put all the peoples of the country in the same attitude to the authorities, otherwise they will start to scatter;
        - satisfy the need of each religion to perform rites so that none of them contradict the other, that is, exclude religious wars.

        Difficult, isn't it? Disposes to totalitarian rule? Of course. However, this form of government does not mean the irremovability of the dictator. Nowadays, one dictator cannot solve the totality of tasks. There should be an iconostasis of like-minded leaders. It seems that he is no longer there. And therefore, one person is trying to load the problems. And why is there no iconostasis in the form of many young leaders, of whom everyone is ready to take on the weight of the cart? Because you can’t create virtue from the vice thoroughly fostered by the old dictator, especially if, not wanting to suspect it of yourself, you are vicious.
        Our people are different, but whatever their strata, they all require the openness of the central government, and it, based on the professional characteristics of its bearer, namely Putin, is a complete conspiracy thesis. As a result, they are dissatisfied, or soon everyone will be dissatisfied - both the homeless and the oligarchs. And each person believes that Putin plays on the side of all the other layers, but not on the side of the layer to which he, the person, belongs. As a result, Putin does not have an objective picture of reality and receives stars from all, preferring to live in the illusion of his own chosen God and martyrdom. And what about us? Why should we suffer because of his illusory union with God and the belief that if not him, Putin, then who?
        It all looks sad. Especially based on the fact that instead of multiplying the legacy inherited from the USSR, Putin trampled his fragments in the form of non-mining industry with frenzy. Thus, trampling what united the territory, guarded every kilometer of its border and rallied numerous disparate peoples into a single national organism, without protruding religious differences. Actually, already trampled. So loosened, broke the spike. This is totalitarianism. And what awaits us next?
  5. +12
    11 March 2020 06: 04
    Interestingly, he already began to build a mausoleum for himself? (One lies, and lies worthy! And this one himself decided that he was worthy)
    1. +2
      11 March 2020 12: 13
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Interestingly, he already began to build a mausoleum for himself? (One lies, and lies worthy! And this one himself decided that he was worthy)


      Shoigu, a temple for 10 thousand people is building in the Patriot park.
      There they will arrange a "tomb" for him, possibly during his lifetime.
      / sarcasm / wassat
  6. +19
    11 March 2020 06: 04
    Of course, all these amendments are at the level of nonsense, especially considering the package vote. Most of the amendments are spelled out at the legislative level in various codes - if they were not implemented, like the Laws, then why would they be executed after being introduced into the constitution? The goal is clear - to divert attention with seemingly good and necessary amendments, to sneak in something of their own. Yesterday, Mrs. Tereshkova noted the amendment introduced and adopted - in the end the people will vote for her (if a miracle does not happen and the majority gets the option "no". I don't believe in miracles, but I know that they happen)
    1. +24
      11 March 2020 06: 17
      Do not hesitate, even if 80% of those who voted vote against the amendments, the vote will end with 70% for
      1. +4
        11 March 2020 06: 23
        Yes, I also voiced such a secret number. But a miracle wanderer! laughing
      2. +22
        11 March 2020 06: 57
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Do not hesitate, even if 80% of those who voted vote against the amendments, the vote will end with 70% for

        Pass in the election that 140 we can!
    2. +6
      11 March 2020 07: 21
      Quote: Dalny V
      all these corrections - at the level of delirium

      This nonsense for Russia may end badly.
      And because of what?
      Due to the inability of the authorities to ensure the continuity of the course, or because of the desire of someone to reign?

      Where is the correct answer?
      1. 0
        11 March 2020 07: 26
        Due to the inability of the authorities to ensure the continuity of the course, or because of the desire of someone to reign? Where is the correct answer?
        But does one interfere with the other? Rather, on the contrary, the second follows from the first.
        1. +5
          11 March 2020 07: 41
          Quote: Dalny V
          But does one interfere with the other?

          This is such garbage it turns out:
          - In 2014, I was quite actively involved in anti-Maidan performances in Donetsk ...
          As they say, everything that happened in Kiev, "let through myself." But what is especially etched into the memory? Just a poem by the Maidan fool-poetess: "We will never be brothers"...

          There are lines: " You have a Tsar, we have a democracy"

          The fact that it was fraught with democracy in Ukraine is a fact, but even until yesterday I could not even deliriously think that in Russia it is possible what they want to push through the Constitution.
          1. +1
            11 March 2020 08: 38
            Quote: Insurgent
            The fact that with democracy in Ukraine it has gone wrong is a fact

            Fact??
            It’s interesting, how are the presidents changing? Why are the deputies of the Rada changing like the factions, there is no permanent party in power.
            They still have democracy, it’s bad to live in the country, but at least the elections are fair and they can influence.
            Bad, good, but Zelensky’s election may be an example, an example for you.
            If they do not have democracy (at least in the elections), then what do you have?
            Quote: Insurgent
            that in Russia it’s possible what they want to push through the Constitution.

            Yes
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 08: 46
              Quote: atalef
              It’s interesting, how are the presidents changing there? Why are the deputies of the Rada changing like the factions

              Are changing Yes but democracy, WHERE ? In the dominance of Natsik on the street?

              Video (fresh):



              Quote: atalef
              They still have democracy, it’s bad to live in the country, but at least the elections are fair and they can influence.


              Influenced laughing (we watch the same video, if it does not immediately reach).

              And yet, "in general" about the state of "civil society" ...

              1. -2
                11 March 2020 08: 56
                Quote: Insurgent
                Are changing

                change - a fact.
                You’ll argue against the fact.
                In the dominance of Natsik on the street?

                Well, first of all - which side 7
                And secondly
                I’m in Kiev regularly (as in St. Petersburg by the way) - I haven’t seen Natsik there, but if you want, I’m pulling you a couple of hours about the Natsik from the Internet in Kiev, in St. Petersburg


                Quote: Insurgent
                And yet, "in general" about the state of "civil society" ..

                I'll find you another 50 videos tomorrow on any topic, including

                but the question is not about that, but about the change of power and the ability of ordinary people to influence it.
                1. -2
                  11 March 2020 09: 05
                  Quote: atalef
                  change - a fact.
                  You’ll argue against the fact.

                  I will not trample No. since 2014, the succession of power - nationalists are replaced by nationalists.
                  Quote: atalef
                  I didn’t see Natsik there

                  Here are the sly-asses, they cheated with the video ... And I believed that the minister, along with the right-wing radicals, went to clean up Kiev from "nationalities" (in this case, gypsies) ...

                  I need to apologize Yes , and before the pan-minister and before the Natsiks.
                  How could i believe crying !!!
                  1. +2
                    11 March 2020 12: 50
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    since 2014, the succession of power - nationalists are replaced by nationalists.

                    Well, you call them that.
                    But since they are changing, that means the people want it. So it affects.
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    I must apologize to both the pan minister and the Natsiks.
                    How could i believe

                    no need to apologize to anyone - I’m now pulling on Putin’s promises not fulfilled of course.
                    And of course, at the same time I will say that he is a pathological liar and a scoundrel (for deceiving the elderly)
                    Will there be any objection?
                    I think no.
                    so, do not go too far with definitions - Nazi - this word has an exact definition, otherwise you simply emasculate its essence and the tragedy that Nazism brought to humanity.
                    1. -5
                      11 March 2020 12: 54
                      Quote: atalef
                      well you call them that

                      And what do you call those who lead their political genealogy from the Bandera slaughtered Jews in Lviv?

                      Answer the rest No. because UAV, UAV, UAV ...

                      And besides everything else, I do not idolize Putin, and when necessary, I openly talk about his schools and shortcomings.
                      1. 0
                        11 March 2020 13: 19
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        And what do you call those who lead their political genealogy from the Bandera slaughtered Jews in Lviv?

                        Many Jews who slaughtered, so I used to separate the grain from the chaff.
                        I often visit Kiev and Lviv. Everywhere I speak only in Russian, I don’t know Ukrainian and don’t understand from the word at all.
                        I have never encountered any antagonism anywhere.
                        Mother-in-law in Kiveve - Russian, as well as her numerous relatives - no one rots them and does not humiliate them.
                        Jewish President
                        The prime minister is a Jew.
                        Maybe Natsik and Bandera only in your bruised heads? Otherwise, how else do you explain this whole mess?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Answer the rest, because UAV, UAV, UAV

                        There is simply nothing to say
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        And besides everything else, I do not idolize Putin, and when necessary, I openly talk about his shoals and shortcomings

                        What about Putin?
                        About your DNI and LC say.
                        Strange - it means Natsik and Bandera, and you - a ski fighter pricked up to Russia.
                        What ? Isn't the People's Republic sweet? wink
                      2. 0
                        11 March 2020 13: 41
                        Quote: atalef
                        What ? Isn't the People's Republic sweet?

                        We read the answer above. Ali see there, there is no?
                        Quote: atalef
                        a lot of people were cutting, so I used to separate the grain from the chaff.

                        Melnikovtsy, this is a grain, Bandera-weaving, and SS Shukhevych, is this some kind of canoe?
                        Wisely-oh-oh! But in fact - all the Nazi shit ...
                        Or are you going to scrub every poop to see if a diamond is hiding there?
                        A connoisseur!
                        Quote: atalef
                        Maybe Natsik and Bandera only in your bruised heads?

                        But this, already bestiality, bordering on an attempt to disavow what the nat.bats have done in the Donbass.

                        Would you go ... This time. And do not try to start a polemic with me anymore by wedging into my comments.
                        They are not for stupid, forgetting the past scum.
                      3. +1
                        11 March 2020 14: 09
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        We read the answer above. Ali see there, there is no?

                        Russian citizenship then why?
                        One of the conditions of residence in the Russian Federation?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Melnikovtsy, this is a grain, Bandera-weaving, and SS Shukhevych, is this some kind of canoe?

                        So what ?
                        What is the relationship with today's Ukraine?
                        I calmly walk with the citizenship of Russia and Israel and speak Russian, the prime minister is a Jew, the president is a Jew --- both are elected (one in the parliament) the other for the presidency by popular vote - neither the lawyer, nor anyone else like Bandera - and it is they.
                        The right sector did not go anywhere through the elections .-- - the same fact.
                        So where are Bandera, Shukhevych? in your frostbitten heads if only.
                        Where?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Wisely-oh-oh! But in fact - all the Nazi shit ...

                        Do you want to pull Natsik from the Internet from the Russian Federation or who fought with you in LDN?
                        the same Nazi shit, it is enough everywhere - you just need to distinguish between individual freaks, the real situation and state policy.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        But this, already bestiality, bordering on an attempt to disavow what the nat.bats have done in the Donbass.

                        I don’t know who did what, everyone there excelled, as in any war the Cossacks felt, and Givi with its okhlomons - sea videos.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Would you go ... this time

                        Why ? Nothing to answer?
                        Do you want to say the Cossacks did not cheat on the Donbass? The same nat.baty.
                        In general, none of this should have been.
                        Say thanks to Strelkov companions.
                        It would have been hard for themselves, but calmly, as in Ukraine.
                        In Lviv, by the way, it's cool. Service is just on top, prices are below the baseboard. Everything is beautiful, clean, tidy, benevolent - Bandera wink
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        They are not for stupid, forgotten past scum

                        The past, well, I remember that bastard, just not such a ram that would scratch everyone under one comb because of the past.
                        he probably ride a German wheelbarrow? wink
                      4. -3
                        11 March 2020 14: 13
                        Do you need to translate into Hebrew so that you understand that the conversation is over and they don’t want to communicate with you?
                        I just received a warning from the admin for a harsh answer to such a troll like you.
                        Two times in a row, will not. Therefore, fuck off in a good, do not force to act in a bad way.
                      5. 0
                        11 March 2020 14: 32
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Do you need to translate into Hebrew so that you understand that the conversation is over and they don’t want to communicate with you?

                        translate of course, if you can, but you communicate.
                        If you weren’t angry, you'd better try to answer the facts that I bring to you. I didn’t peek at them on TV.
                        I am the one who twice or even thrice a year in Kiev, and went to Lviv - on the advice of friends. Lviv is generally a very popular route among the Israelis. At least there are no Russian speakers.
                        Next year we want to rent a house in the Carpathians for another week. Nice there.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        I just received a warning from the admin for a harsh answer to such a troll like you.

                        Stop it, I’m not trolling, I am writing the truth and real questions. Tell me how the Nazis and Bandera were able to elect a Jewish president by popular vote?
                        Otozh wink
                        Of course you can say that Zelensky is also a Nazi and a Bandera-but it seems to me that even cats will laugh at it.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Therefore, fuck off in a good, do not force to act in a bad way.

                        But how bad is that? And for what ?
                        And for what?
                        For uncomfortable questions? Well, call me, we are not the amazing sides of the front. I am very sorry for you, it is a pity that you were dragged into an incomprehensible political game, fooled by propaganda.
                        It is a pity the second side, where the same sufficient number of thugs, also fooled by their propaganda.
                        It is a pity that you hate each other - although you are generally one people.
                        It is a pity for the huge number of dead and crippled fates and both sides are to blame.
                        Just excuse me, you are separatists and in essence you are no different from the Syrian Idlib (well, unless you cut your head)
                        The same separatists supported by the type of ancestral home.
                        And since they don’t have a future, I’m sorry for you too. They’ll ask them for a meal, then they’ll give it some sort of format and reset - Putin knows how.
      2. -9
        11 March 2020 07: 56
        Quote: Insurgent
        Where is the correct answer?

        Read a couple of books at your leisure:
        "Rat Tower" Pavel Darts
        "Marauder" Berkem al Atomi
        And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become. wink
        1. -1
          11 March 2020 07: 59
          Quote: Tank Hard
          And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become.

          For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good...
          1. -2
            11 March 2020 08: 11
            Quote: Insurgent
            For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good..

            Then what is your concern about amendments to the constitution of the Russian Federation?
            1. +2
              11 March 2020 08: 14
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: Insurgent
              For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good..

              Then what is your experience?

              In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.
              True, we have more than enough of our own, but in fact, the worse the situation in the Russian Federation, the more difficult it is for us ...
              1. -2
                11 March 2020 08: 18
                Quote: Insurgent
                In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.

                And what will change specifically for you if amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted or not?
              2. -14
                11 March 2020 08: 18
                Quote: Insurgent
                True, we have more than enough of our own, but in fact, the worse the situation in the Russian Federation, the more difficult it is for us ...

                Very much reminiscent of the character under the nickname "Observer2014". Only he has already dumped from Donbass, and you, according to legend, are still there.
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                2. +7
                  11 March 2020 11: 32
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Very much reminiscent of the character under the nickname "Observer2014"

                  And you very much resemble the character "Cat Manul". The same comments, not inspired by the intellect and connection with the topic. wassat
              3. +4
                11 March 2020 08: 58
                Quote: Insurgent
                In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.

                so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against? sad
                1. +7
                  11 March 2020 09: 29
                  Quote: atalef
                  so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against?

                  I am for Russia. Rulers come and go, Russia remains.
                  1. +2
                    11 March 2020 12: 51
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Quote: atalef
                    so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against?

                    I am for Russia. Rulers come and go, Russia remains.

                    Why not for the DNI or LC?
                    You seem to be deserting from there? wink
                    1. 0
                      11 March 2020 13: 01
                      Quote: atalef
                      Why not for the DNI or LC?
                      You seem to be deserting from there?

                      We migrate to Russia, together with the territory fellow wink tongue
          2. 0
            11 March 2020 08: 57
            Quote: Insurgent
            For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. All is well

            request
        2. -10
          11 March 2020 08: 20
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Read a couple of books at your leisure:
          "Rat Tower" Pavel Darts
          "Marauder" Berkem al Atomi

          Marauder is better.

          Quote: Tank Hard
          And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become.

          Tank, "to the Pepsi generation" to explain this to no purpose. This was clearly demonstrated to us in the 90s, to them, Unfortunately - No request
          1. -7
            11 March 2020 08: 23
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Tank, "to the Pepsi generation" to explain this to no purpose. This was clearly demonstrated to us in the 90s, unfortunately they did not

            I also felt on myself, I did not like it sharply, therefore I am so careful in political criticism, because it is not a fact that the changes will be for the better. hi
            1. -14
              11 March 2020 08: 28
              Quote: Tank Hard
              I also felt on myself, I did not like it sharply

              Similarly. Jumping prices - at times, lack of salary - for months ... if there is work request

              Nubynafig such changes Yes
            2. +7
              11 March 2020 09: 26
              Whether you like the changes or not, you will have to leave the "comfort zone". Otherwise you will be taken out without asking you.
              1. -5
                11 March 2020 10: 49
                Quote: Gardamir
                Whether you like the changes or not, you will have to leave the "comfort zone". Otherwise you will be taken out without asking you.

                Judging by your posts, it’s you in the comfort zone, if something happens, it will lead you out. wink And I have already been in various situations, unlike people like you, I already know what I will do. wink
                1. +3
                  11 March 2020 11: 44
                  So what am I? So what are you going to do?
                  1. -3
                    11 March 2020 11: 48
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    So what am I?

                    Well, this one, "shaker of the foundations", "petrel of revolution" and so on ... wink
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    So what are you going to do?

                    In this case, laugh on. laughing
          2. -8
            11 March 2020 08: 44
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Marauder is better.

            The tower also entered, with a bang. Most importantly, both to help the thinking person. hi
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  7. +11
    11 March 2020 06: 04
    When there are no real economic achievements, when the standard of living is such that it’s barely enough for the most necessary things, and you have to give up a lot, there is no point in shaking up the Constitution. This is a profanation of political activity. negative
    From a change in her words, our life will not get better. But we have a choice - whether or not to approve these amendments, choose the GDP again or refuse its services. what
  8. +4
    11 March 2020 06: 08
    No constitution can guarantee a citizen’s freedom without an economic basis. But today, the constitution about the economic basis is somehow unclear. The subsoil does not belong to citizens. There is no state property. There is no primacy of domestic law over external.
  9. +9
    11 March 2020 06: 11
    God, traditions, children, family are holy things. Only use them to sacralize power. So it was with the Pharaohs ... so that the people would believe.
    It remains to wait for the large pyramids.
    1. +15
      11 March 2020 06: 54
      Quote: samarin1969
      It remains to wait for the large pyramids.

      Comrade, what about the project of the phalloid rocket under the sawmill office? Why aren't you a pyramid?
  10. +6
    11 March 2020 06: 29
    This power has outlived its usefulness. The country is at a dead end. There is no industry, no engineers, no workers. And most importantly, there is no desire to develop something. "behind the Kremlin wall, everything is fine so"
    1. +5
      11 March 2020 06: 34
      I do not agree, there are workers and engineers, only reduced to a position below the plinth, and now all office plankton is held in high esteem
  11. +4
    11 March 2020 06: 33
    Roman, it could have been much shorter without spreading over the tree, I am against amendments because they will not lead to real changes in the life of a simple person and I’ll go to the site and check the box, that's all, that’s your main idea, clear, understandable. And I agree that it’s not good to keep people for fools, but for some deputies, despite all their merits, it's time to rest.
  12. +8
    11 March 2020 06: 35
    gundyaev soon ebna to the rank of saints will introduce for the saints the 90s and they wanted to give a damn about the opinion of the people there, especially if half of the population of Russia are like blind kutyats for Putin, although recent events do not smell like stability for Russia
    1. +16
      11 March 2020 06: 53
      Quote: Ryaruav
      gundyaev soon ebna to the rank of saints will introduce for the saints the 90s and they wanted to give a damn about the opinion of the people there, especially if half of the population of Russia are like blind kutyats for Putin, although recent events do not smell like stability for Russia

      My dream is for the receiver to report to the boss.
      "The night tore off the fluffy tail of the Behemoth, tore off its fur and scattered its shreds across the swamps. The one who was the cat that amused the prince of darkness, now turned out to be a thin young man, a demon-page, the best jester that has ever existed in the world. Now he was quiet and he flew soundlessly, exposing his young face to the light pouring from the moon.

      Azazello flew from the side of everyone, shining with the steel of armor. The moon also changed his face. The ridiculous ugly fang disappeared without a trace, and the crooked eyes turned out to be fake. Azazello's both eyes were the same, blank and black, and his face was white and cold. Now Azazello was flying in his present form, like a demon of a waterless desert, a demon-killer. "M. Bulgakov.
  13. +9
    11 March 2020 06: 36
    Let's wait, of course. We will see

    Quote: bessmertniy
    when the standard of living is such that it’s barely enough for the most necessary, and you have to give up a lot, there’s no point in shaking up the Constitution.


    laughing
  14. +11
    11 March 2020 06: 37
    Roman, except God, has no other problems, but the fact that the deputies did not amend the foreign property and, in fact, work for anyone, but not for the voters? Why should Gundyaev be surprised, the church is collecting money, and only certain true-believing priests are calling to God, and the patriarch is also a fellow in history. In the Russian Empire, the church also merged with power in the matter of plundering the people, that when the militant atheists began to demolish the church, no one stood up for defense. The Bolsheviks, who are so unloved by Putin (I’m not talking about the late Communists and modern renegades), can’t take away what they tried not to lie, because the current government, and kept their word, unlike Putin, the heir did not go far from Yeltsin , he had time to dismantle the rails and cut the tram into metal. The idea is simple - to amend, with amendments, all this thieves' cattle, headed by their guarantor.
    1. +14
      11 March 2020 06: 46
      Quote: igorra
      The idea is simple - to amend, with amendments, all this thieves' cattle, headed by their guarantor.

      It’s for sure who needs the ballot and who’s the birthday of Lenin! I personally don’t intend to take part in this clown show. For 30 years I went and voted against this government, and now everything, guys, I’m sick of being an electorate, I’ll go to the people.
      1. +13
        11 March 2020 07: 20
        Quote: Malyuta
        I personally am not going to take part in this clown show.

        I will go and take part. Vote against. I will celebrate the birthday of grandfather Lenin. And then, after calculating the results, which, as they say, are already known and if they coincide, I’ll probably forget the election completely ...
        1. +6
          11 March 2020 08: 07
          Quote: Red

          I will go and take part. Vote against. I will celebrate the birthday of grandfather Lenin. And then, after calculating the results, which, as they say, are already known and if they coincide, I’ll probably forget the election completely ...

          I didn’t want to go .. but I’ll go the last time. and yes ... against.
        2. +12
          11 March 2020 09: 11
          Quote: Red
          I will go and take part. Vote against.

          Quote: Aerodrome
          I didn’t want to go .. but I’ll go the last time. and yes ... against.

          In vain guys you will beat your feet, there will be no observers and you will not count anything, from the word NO !!!
          They are only waiting for you to appear, they need a turnout before the cut. But your will, do as common sense and conscience suggest. hi
          1. +3
            11 March 2020 11: 09
            unfortunately there will again be rallies, riot police, batons, glasses, courts and dates ...... sad
          2. +10
            11 March 2020 11: 10
            Yes, there is no doubt that the percentage of those who voted "for" will be "necessary" regardless of the turnout and the actual "answers". It is interesting why Russians will not see in the "amendments" the chapters on: the president's responsibility for his promises, on the equality of crimes committed by state officials and law enforcement officers to state crimes, as such crimes discredit the government in the country and undermine the foundations of social justice, about the responsibility of the elect before voters - the obligation to create a system and a mechanism for recalling elected deputies if they do not fulfill their obligations and discredit themselves with their behavior, etc. But there is tinsel about God, "patriotism", "memory of heroes", "historical succession", slogans (without a mechanism implementation) about "equality", "social justice" and other verbal, meaningless and not influencing anything "attractiveness". ...
    2. -1
      15 March 2020 13: 20
      I think Roman has other problems as well. They are indicated in the article, but not disclosed. Roman was careful. And I'm so surprised that the article was published on VO. At the present time, "universal approval" is an act.
  15. +1
    11 March 2020 06: 38
    ,, Speech is mad in his heart: God be.

    Thank God that the people are smarter than many clever people!
  16. +14
    11 March 2020 06: 46
    Who and for whom will change the Constitution

    An idle question. Naturally, the deputies of the State Duma. Those who accepted the amendments before; those who adopted pension reform claimed VAT, a minimum wage, a living wage and their own salary.
    Not for anyone, but for whom ... Or did someone have a drop of confidence that the “Russian guarantor" is a completely independent person, independent in decision-making? wassat
    A pathetic attempt to “zombie” the people and make them believe in the parable of the “good king” and “bad boyars”, the fairy-tale president and mediocre government, a tough guarantor and an “incorrect” constitution.
    By the way, the constitution is written in Western patterns and life has already shown that what is written in it is not guaranteed by anyone. Moreover, now they want no one to bear responsibility for the “guarantee obligations”.
    We need to go and vote against these amendments - let this Trishkin Kaftan remain until the re-election of the authorities, because there is no sense in it anyway, as well as from all these “grandiose reforms” that arise from the ring of the dog’s chain ... Or the dog’s constitution? belay
  17. +6
    11 March 2020 07: 00
    The ban on foreign ownership of real estate was not included in the draft amendments to the Constitution, since most officials and deputies would have to resign. Vedomosti was told about this by sources in the presidential administration and the State Duma.
    Amendments to the ban on foreign real estate were introduced by deputies Nikolai Arefyev (Communist Party faction) and Konstantin Slyshchenko (United Russia), but were rejected.

    “Officials recaptured their foreign real estate, who would doubt it,” wrote Ksenia Sobchak on her blog, adding that the “amendment chief” Senator Klishas has a house and a plot in Switzerland.

    I believe that the above-mentioned amendment is simply vital for our country. And those who have it (real estate abroad), let them look for another job, abroad.
    1. +5
      11 March 2020 07: 51
      Well, how can one not trust Ilyich after that? Seriously, if without fanaticism, without all the nonsense there. Just real things ... I think people will catch up. And yes, necessarily confiscations, and the work of the whole family of "effective" managers somewhere in the north, for life.
  18. +13
    11 March 2020 07: 04
    But what about atheists who do not believe in God? What about people who have not yet decided? What about people who believe in "higher powers"?
    ... What to do, how to be? .. At the stake, Eritiks ... And if from this you can also make talk shows with advertising ... from the interview ... you can earn so much money, again, new, fresh .. Smoke from the fire ... laughing
    1. +6
      11 March 2020 08: 14
      Quote: parusnik
      And what about atheists

      Quote: parusnik
      . How to be, how to be? .. At the stake, heretics.

      I’ll come with my firewood. It’s more pleasant to burn on my own.
  19. +6
    11 March 2020 07: 05
    A very bold article. The author accurately identified the key question that arose after yesterday's show - what for ?
    Actually, the questions about the reasons for such an early (just a year after the election) change in the political system and even the Constitution were asked back in January. It was clearly clear that the point was to extend the powers of Putin and K. But why change the Constitution?
    1) While there was a variant with the Union State “on the board”, everything seemed to be clear. Here the Constitution really needs to be changed.
    2) The situation with the State Council is more complicated. This is where we enter into the field of conspiracy. Various versions have been put forward, for example, that Putin is simply not feeling well and needs an operation, hence the need for some kind of supreme authority specifically for him. Or that with a diminishing "pie" inside the country and pressure from the West, it is necessary to divide the property of several ruling clans, and besides, in general, remove Putin from the current agenda and criticism, making him a kind of overbearing decision-maker. ... Everything is democratic and replaceable - you have a new President. Well, the rest of the amendments are just a smoke screen.
    3) But after yesterday's "zeroing" everything is completely confused. Why then was this whole circus with horses, free breakfasts and Gods? If we are talking simply about indefinite rule, one could easily live up to 2023, and then "at the request of the workers" remove the limitation on the timing of elections. With a monopoly on the media and the absence of real opposition, this did not cost any effort.
    It remains only to speculate. Perhaps they wanted to crank up the idea with the State Council, but something went wrong with them.
    The worst thing is if they, like the Tsar’s administration at the beginning of 1917, simply lost contact with reality and their right hand does not know what the left is doing.
    1. +6
      11 March 2020 07: 44
      Yeah. You saw it on Tereshkova’s trebuchen, to be honest, I thought that she had the last breath. Honestly people did not understand what he was reading there, and why?
  20. -1
    11 March 2020 07: 07
    Today, almost every part has a church. Naturally, Orthodox. And you have every right to send your religious demands, if you are Orthodox.
    And if you are a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, these are your problems.

    Get multi-chaplains in the army !!! Every religion has HIS HOUR or two !!! like in Harrison's funny, grotesque book "Bill Hero of the Galaxy"!
    On a citizen the same thing, one TV channel for all concessions, divided by the clock!
    if we take into account the fact that Putin is ending his fourth and (seemingly not sure) last term, and the ratings of United Russia, the government and Putin himself resemble the ruble against the euro and the dollar, then there are fewer questions.

    But who, if not OH ??? soldier
    The choice without a choice, such as Putin or Sobchak. Vote or ...

    IN, in, about ....
    Against pension reform, how many were against? Also, I think, not less than 90%. Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted.

    This is just understandable, I AGREE!
    While we will "grow fat".
    The main thing is not to stretch our legs while we grow. And tithe doesn’t really want to pay.

    Yes, now essentially become .... but NOTHING !!! Including because there is none.
    I went to study the Constitution, then I will have to take up the amendments!
    1. +3
      11 March 2020 07: 45
      It’s scary what they’re doing ...
      1. +4
        11 March 2020 07: 49
        Quote: fk7777777
        It’s scary what they’re doing ...

        And what fundamentally can change? The rich remain rich and not at all controlled by society ... but they always agree with the upper, their own no matter how.
  21. -5
    11 March 2020 07: 35
    I don’t understand that you are attached to the mention of God?
    In the US, they write about him for money .... and they live quite well, a completely secular state.
    They even have a school of military priests.
    The US Armed Forces Archdiocese is led by an archbishop who is assisted by several auxiliary bishops. They are subject to priests serving as chaplains in the US armed forces.

    I perceive these amendments NOT as a way to extend Putin’s powers.
    Rather, it is a side effect.
    The main thing is to prevent the new Gorbachev and Yeltsin to power.
    Prevent, and if they have broken through, so that the constitution limits their actions.

    For example, amendments were planned prohibiting even discussion of the possibility of violating the territorial integrity of Russia so that there would not be the mine that was in
    Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
    Is it bad?
    Yes, just for this you need to take them.

    Or the mention of the Russian people-you really do not care?
    After all, Russians still do not have their own subjectivity, for example,
    until recently it was impossible for a Slavic child to refuse to study
    Tatar for example, if managed to live there.
    The adoption of such an amendment puts local nationalists in their place.

    Further, about property abroad - were people banned from having dual citizenship?
    Prohibiting property is too much.
    Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?
    1. +5
      11 March 2020 08: 20
      Quote: Nait
      Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?

      because a person cannot, he is not a deputy, he does not have such money. and those who bought can be planted without investigation.
      1. -2
        11 March 2020 12: 01
        Come on, a house in Bulgaria is not such a luxury.
    2. +7
      11 March 2020 09: 04
      Quote: Nait
      even prohibiting discussion of the possibility of violating the territorial integrity of Russia, so that there wouldn’t be the mine that was in
      Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
      Is it bad?

      Poorly. And why do we need republics if people of other nationalities cannot be lured there?
      Quote: Nait
      Prohibiting property is too much.
      Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?

      Get away with the civil service, then buy at least a house in Bulgaria, at least a plywood booth in India.
  22. +5
    11 March 2020 07: 35
    radish horseradish is not sweeter. many, including myself, voted against this so-called constitution, created under the rule of Yeltsin. I was personally satisfied with the constitution of the RFSR - but the people approved it. now they are making a constitution under Putin. let the flag in their hands. I didn’t vote in 1993, I won’t vote in 2020 either. This is not my basic law.
    1. +4
      11 March 2020 09: 05
      Quote: Unknown
      this is not my basic law.

      But we must obey him.
      1. 0
        11 March 2020 10: 24
        like this always, did not vote, but is obliged, and that’s it. But millions of people were against Yeltsin’s fundamental law, but what about their opinion? Well, okay with this law, well, tell me why those who wrote, under Yeltsin, this basic law, they themselves do not observe it? what to demand from me if I voted against?
  23. +8
    11 March 2020 07: 37
    ... Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted ...

    Oh. Something that reminds me. lol : "Vote, don't vote, you'll get it anyway ... feel ".
    I remember there were already "elections" without a choice for the population - a referendum in 1991, and then in 1993 ... But even then it was called a referendum, now it is just the wishlist of the suite that needs to be legalized at the expense of "second oil". It is not clear only one thing, why do they need the people, they have been coping well with "lawmaking" all this time.
  24. +6
    11 March 2020 07: 40
    I don't even know, honestly, what to say. In general, if we consider the situation from an economic point of view, then there is a kind of "collective" "Putin. So to speak, the main clan, but all types of" support "others, who, in the shadows, they muddy the waters. If you carefully begin to consider each separately , a lot will begin to become clear. For example, Sechin is a general of the FSB, etc., but what is the main rank? Colonel is right, ... I would not be surprised that they themselves arranged all this vanhanalia with the collapse of the Union, endless civil, criminal For example, why is the question of the USSR treasury not being raised, eh? Where did the money of all the people run out? Seriously? At least 5000 tons of gold reserves? How should it be managed then? Or is it just a robbery with the physical liquidation of the owner? And the owner is our entire people.
  25. -3
    11 March 2020 08: 13
    I ran over the comments. The people care about two problems: God and term.

    On the first. "God is one, religions are darkness".
    Whoever does not know, the supermundane entity, called differently in different cultures - God, Allah, Buddha, etc., exists. Almost every one of us every minute feels His presence through shame and conscience. People who have no shame or conscience lose touch with God and no matter how much money they bring to the bearded middlemen in black robes, shame and conscience will not increase ... So, mentioning God as a supramundane entity in the Constitution does not the rights of the Russian Orthodox Church to be the only mediators between us and God. The people speak not against God, but against the Russian Orthodox Church, but in the Constitution there is no mention of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    So all these indignation is empty and they pursue only one goal: to prevent voters from voting by ballot box. Who benefits from this? Those who are perfectly settled in 1993 and they definitely do not need to change anything.

    On the second. "For the beaten - two not beaten give".
    Everyone who suggests that Putin would be forever at the helm seems to avenge his retirement reform, like you have extended our retirement period and we will extend it to you indefinitely. This is a joke.

    Putin will no longer qualify for the presidency. This is his last term in this position, but I am fussing, both here and abroad, about finding a receiver and the inexpediency of doing business with the outgoing, which negatively affect the economy of our country and us as a whole, and the closer to the elections, the it will be felt more strongly, but providing such an opportunity to the present, many problems, both abroad and domestically, will be removed, which will certainly have a beneficial effect on our lives.

    Today is the third reading. Let's see in what final form it will be accepted ...
    1. +3
      11 March 2020 09: 19
      Quote: Boris55
      This is his last term in this position, but I am fussing, both here and abroad, about finding a receiver and the inexpediency of doing business with the outgoing, which negatively affects the economy of our country and us as a whole

      So after all, he arranged fuss, saying that it was for zeroing, if the COP did not mind. Who pulled his tongue?
      1. -4
        11 March 2020 10: 20
        Quote: Alex_59
        So after all, he arranged fuss

        The media began to talk about who will be his successor, and not just ours, right after his last election. Everything else is a consequence. Zeroing, CS - this is how this drug is for those who have Sverbet:

  26. +8
    11 March 2020 08: 40
    The Chekist past taught Putin a very clever way to powder people’s nose and fool their heads with empty and false promises. And many still believe him, but I hope the number of such gullibles is already less than 30%.
  27. +8
    11 March 2020 08: 50
    "The closer the collapse of the empire, the crazier its laws", a well-known phrase, in relation to Tereshkova's initiative I think to the point.
  28. +5
    11 March 2020 08: 55
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, a bot who has no more faith. All he wants and the oligarchs standing behind him is that he would sit on the presidency until his natural demise comes and they carry him forward from the Kremlin.
  29. -8
    11 March 2020 09: 16
    You read most of the comments to the enemy article "Skomorokh" and it is terribly done, how many already foolish "Ivanov - do not remember kinship", prepared by American Uncle Sam, are divorced in Russia !!!? It's time to start cleaning and re-educating these "buffoons" !!! Now is the time!!! And interesting! , why "VO", on its pages, makes it possible for such "buffoons" and others like them to fool the people !?
    1. +1
      13 March 2020 11: 28
      probably by analogy with buffoons in Cossack uniforms and with whips) You are not one of them by chance?
      It's time to start cleaning and re-educating these "buffoons" !!! Now is the time!!!
      Well, get up off the couch for a start, show your daring
  30. +6
    11 March 2020 09: 24
    Oh author! Well written! Here we’ll adopt the constitution and then you’ll go to develop logging!
  31. +5
    11 March 2020 09: 39
    Instead of amending the constitution, the patriarch should amend the Old Law, the Gospel, and other church Bibles .... Outdated, however, do not correspond to the political moment.
    After all, the 21st century on Earth, man flies into space every day,
    and these are all - "lift up to heaven ..."
  32. +4
    11 March 2020 10: 14
    Quote: Finches
    Sharia is not our tradition! Nevertheless, according to Sharia law, Saudi Arabia lives and, you know, it lives perfectly! And in our blood Orthodox authoritarianism. In the difficult year of the Great Patriotic War, Joseph Vissarionovich, among other things, turned to someone - the Church, history, reviving the cults of ancient heroes and powerful rulers: Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov .... And everything fell into place - because it was to the people he turned to his roots, to that mighty dark folk power coming from pokon centuries, thirsty, including a strong ruler .... and after that the fascist rolled back from Moscow! Then the country was raised from ruins, etc.
    And with the so-called Western democracy, the scammers and scammers will always be at the helm - because they invented it for themselves! Democracy never happened - it’s just the fantasies and inventions of the ancient Greeks, who successfully used cunning Anglo-Saxons, covering their colonial atrocities and the slave trade, and then planted the whole world on it - and we opened our mouths! Our system is authoritarianism and no nails - we are not Luxembourg, but the Russian Empire - the center of the Slavic and Orthodox culture of the world! Pink snot is needed only by clowns - such as Ukraine - it is like a democracy, only the country is run from the State Department! Even Germany is controlled from the State Department! Rather, from Walt Street - this is what democracy is for! And they hung noodles on your ears - elections, the Constitution, freedom of speech ... - and went the national wealth of Russia to the West, and the Russian people in one place!

    If people have the same mess in your head as you do - unfortunately, any amendments will take place, any constitution, even if it incorporates the ideology of national socialism! sad
  33. AAK
    +4
    11 March 2020 10: 14
    Hmm! Everything weirder and weirder .... Let's start with the motto "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality", then - fines or a term with confiscation for non-payment of "tithe" and "for insult to greatness", and there it is already a hand in hand to the Inquisition with bonfires and chopping blocks with axes on the frontal place ... "... serfdom is guaranteed employment and confidence in the future .."
  34. +3
    11 March 2020 10: 27
    Power to the Soviets! Peace to the nations!

    Shameless filth,
    Serf foolishness
    A rambling disgusting
    Creeping unity
    Soviet glory theft,
    Salary sale,
    Obscene laws
    Slobbering icons
    Inflation, requisitions,
    Empty talk
    Formats, meetings,
    Slavic farewells
    From puppet traditions
    Fools of the opposition
    Excises on the steps
    And the herd on his knees ...
    Where can I get the strength for this? ..
    War is coming, morons!
    She is already open
    Goes for sales markets!
    It’s not appropriate to put up
    With the atrocity of capital!
    It's time not to wait for salvation
    And take the reins!
    Not a rally, not a cry
    Not a profile picture with a nickname!
    And the awakening of light
    People's Council!

    Felix Chuykov

    11 March 2020 year
  35. +2
    11 March 2020 11: 19
    Once I was proud of our country. He only asked questions that he did not receive answers to. Grew up, the Internet appeared and with it the answers to my questions. How wrong I was with my pride and naivety. I am ashamed. For myself, for my naivety.
    __ If someone writes this, it’s more a PR than an analytics.
  36. -1
    11 March 2020 11: 34
    Reading articles and especially comments here,
    more and more often I find myself thinking - and am I not the censor?
    Can't you see the vital corrections?
    1. +5
      11 March 2020 15: 26
      Let's separate the vital from the rest and vote for them, don’t ..? Apparently nothing ..
  37. -2
    11 March 2020 11: 35
    I like the amendments to the Constitution! The point is not how many years have passed since the adoption of the previous Constitution, but the fact that this very "that" constitution did not include what needs to be included today, without which it is difficult today.
    In the USA, for example, there are 27 amendments to the Constitution. The latter was adopted on September 14, 1962, and defines "Prohibition of restriction of voting rights on grounds of non-payment of tax." It's a trifle, but it's nice that even if you're not the best citizen, you still have the right to vote.
    And to sit with your sauerkraut and wait for the decisions of the court of some "Netherlands states", sniffing or overeating tulips, or, even worse, an attack by brutal fascists on the border, of course, is possible, but nothing good will come of it. You can also "walk" the streets, getting on the nerves of fellow citizens, and grind all sorts of nonsense that Russia, for example, is the "culprit of the Second" World War, and at the same time the first, as well as the death of the Roman Empire and the death of Alexander the Great - to the heap. And that you need to repent, etc. Repent, who is stopping you? Just don't fool others.
    I would introduce, as an amendment, the responsibility for such comparisons and statements about the Second World War and the role of Soviet Russia in this war and the post-war world. And if people don’t understand that they don’t need to go to the red light on the road, that this is dangerous, then they also need to write this in the constitution. Why not?
    1. +1
      13 March 2020 11: 32
      The Constitution should not be a trash heap! There is no need to insert any nonsense there. In our country, what is in effect is not observed. And they want to throw in there even before the heap. Only the blind and the deaf, but the one who is "on the ration" does not understand the essence of all these amendments.
    2. +1
      15 March 2020 13: 31
      This is not enough. It must be made that the sandwich must be with cheese and sausage. And eat it with sausage up. laughing
  38. 0
    11 March 2020 11: 38
    Quote: Nait
    For example, amendments were planned prohibiting even discussion of the possibility of violating the territorial integrity of Russia so that there would not be the mine that was in
    Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
    Is it bad?
    Yes, just for this you need to take them.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Poorly. And why do we need republics if people of other nationalities cannot be lured there?

    Well, the union ran away - and something Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Azerbaijanis, Armenians - somehow
    not bloomed from the word at all.
    Appreciate what is.
    In the 90s, we also yelled Choi’s songs and waited for changes.
    Yeah, wait.
    These are very similar times in mood, although people live much better,
    than in the 90th.
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Get away with the civil service, then buy at least a house in Bulgaria, at least a plywood booth in India.

    By the way, it may also be prohibited to have property ....
  39. +2
    11 March 2020 11: 38
    With the adoption of the amendment on the Russian language and state-forming people, the Russian will only get worse. For on paper one thing, but in life another. The Russians have the least rights and freedoms, the least places from where they can consolidate and speak openly about their problems. A simple envy from the so-called national minorities will play in the opposite direction. Russians will become even more pressured and oppressed.
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  41. +1
    11 March 2020 11: 44
    Quote: General D
    A simple envy from the so-called national minorities will play in the opposite direction. Russians will become even more pressured and oppressed.

    They will no longer.
    They have their own constitutions, their own state. languages, presidents, and Slavs everywhere on
    bird rights.
    Gradually, everything will fall into place.
    Allowed children not Tartars in Tatarstan not to learn Tatar?
    About 10 years ago, they were afraid to raise this issue.
    And having a constitution behind it will be easier to shut up local nationalists,
    who continue to sit on Obkomov’s grants and are just waiting for the moment,
    to open the mitt.

    83% of Russians in the country live as guests in their own land.

  42. +5
    11 March 2020 11: 51
    What tinsel to discuss when everything is conceived only for the sake of one amendment .... The rest is noodles on the ears ...
  43. +5
    11 March 2020 12: 19
    Good thoughts. Not so often you see this on this site. It’s hard to add something. In general, though .... I’ll take a chance: ...
    The Constitution is truly the Law. Moreover, in the form in which they want to modify it, it’s a law with specifics (by the way, you can completely incorporate all federal laws with by-laws and amendments into the constitution along with breakfasts and the State Duma as unnecessary; and in case of amendments, vote the whole world; with the provision of non-working days).
    And if we have the Law, then I would like to see also something that would determine the executors of the Law, as well as "fines" to the executors for non-fulfillment. It is even possible with specifics: this Clause of the Constitution was not made (well, there, I brought rotten breakfast to school, for example) - "10 years in Kolyma." "Blasphemed - castration for life."
    Any law, by the way, makes sense only if it is meant to be literally executed by specific performers with a penalty for non-fulfillment for specific performers.
    Otherwise, mmmm ... if the punishment for non-performance is not implied, I propose to write also: "We strive with all our might to fly to Alpha Centauri", "We will exert every effort to invent a perpetual mover", "Abolish the squaring of the circle!", "Down with all creeps and long live the empirical transcendental cognitive dissonance from the point of view of banal erudition! "," Amen! "," Amen! " In my opinion, it sounds.
    I noticed for myself a long time ago: as soon as an athlete with an astronaut begins to deal with (higher) legal issues, wait for the enchanting cosmic somersaults.
    Yours!
    PS Nobody was tired of NON-PROFESSIONALISM from NON-Professional in NON-business?
    1. 0
      13 March 2020 11: 34
      The constitution should be concise, concise and understandable to everyone. Like the 10 commandments of Christ.
  44. +1
    11 March 2020 12: 24
    In Africa there was such a "core" of the nation, the African lion, the father of the people, and so on and so forth .. Robert Mugabe - I ask you to love and favor .. Once a fresh and energetic person, he ruled the country for 30 years, declaring this with the same things - they say we will now grow fat and I'll leave. In the meantime, they say everything is SIMPLY GOOD, but there is a break, jump, throw ahead and everything will be in chocolate. As a result, Zimbabwe has broken every conceivable record for monetary inflation, and hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars are circulating there.
    Of course, you can not compare us with such a progressive country .. or is it possible? Because our population at 5+ comes in with the same tricks that Robert Mugabe entertained.
  45. 0
    11 March 2020 12: 40
    The president of such a huge country as Russia is a piece of goods, and if you remember history, then there were practically no leaders whom the people would unequivocally and unanimously support. What's the point that presidents are changing in Ukraine, like gloves, there is no such thing as Putin and there will not be, of course, every current president should think about a change of power and about his successor. The author has reduced everything to only two amendments - about God and about zeroing the deadlines, but Putin is still in charge until 2024 and in the position of a "lame duck" it is difficult to do this, is this the point of zeroing the deadlines? Well, who will deal with long-term issues with the president, who is definitely leaving? This means that there must be a prospect of being re-elected, but whether Putin will run for a new term or not, we do not know, and in any case we will vote for presidential candidates in 2024, so what is the cheese boron I still don't understand? ??
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  47. 0
    11 March 2020 14: 27
    Quote: atalef
    What is the connection with today's Ukraine? I calmly walk with the citizenship of Russia and Israel and speak Russian, the prime minister is a Jew, the president is a Jew

    The outskirts of state celebrations adopted by the Verkhovna Rada and signed by Monica Zelensky are entirely in memory of the wide SS men. It turns out that the outskirts of the authorities are in fact Zhidobandera (copyright from Kolomoisky).

    Natsik of all sorts of shit on the outskirts will certainly be sorted out, but after that they will without fail begin to deal with Natsik with Russian-Israeli passports.

    Another thing is more interesting - the outskirts of the Jews clearly beat their ancestors on the Holocaust on the outskirts with the hands of local Bandera. Masochism is growing stronger.
  48. 0
    11 March 2020 14: 45
    I was calm about the Brezhnev Constitution. Why flutter when everyone decides for you. Why will there be an election? This is just the money spent.
    1. 0
      13 March 2020 11: 39
      Have you ever chosen a wife for yourself? Or has this question been decided for you? Sometimes you are surprised at someone like you, meekly perceiving everything that happens. How convenient it is to have such a spineless electorate.
  49. +2
    11 March 2020 14: 46
    Or take a mention of compatriots - is this wrong?
    Now, not only in Ukraine, nationalism understands the head.
    In Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, the same processes are underway, only with the intricacies characteristic of the east.

    Read about the Dungan riots in Kazakhstan, the Russian media about
    they don’t say this, apparently they don’t want to spoil the relationship:
    https://camonitor.kz/34332-uroki-kordaya-vlast-rk-svoimi-ocenkami-lish-usilivaet-strahi-nekazahov.html

    20 million Russians (and not only) remained overboard Russia.
    At one time, the Empire (Russian, Soviet) sent its people to the rise of the outskirts,
    to military service, and then suddenly they all became foreigners.
    Germans, Jews, Kazakhs have non-haemorrhagic repatriation programs,
    why does Russia not have it?

    They made a resettlement program - but not everything is simple there either.
    They should simply give citizenship to the Slavs in the CIS simply by application
    at the Embassy. This should be done without requiring a withdrawal from current citizenship,
    because moving, finding a job, buying an apartment ... - it all takes time.

    Now, in fact, in the issue of obtaining citizenship, the Slavs are equated to the Germans, Tajiks, ...
    1. +1
      11 March 2020 16: 20
      Colleague Nait, my plus for you! I could have put +1000. How many more disadvantaged Russians have been living in Russia illegally since 1992! Quiet, modest, hardworking, absolutely not criminal people, they fled from horror - without documents, or with incorrectly executed by malicious intent "state-forming local", not daring to return to re-register correctly. And here, on Russian soil, on every corner, no less terror in police uniform awaits them. And none of the unfortunate ones has long dared to turn to the Russian authorities - there is experience, they send everywhere, they are fined and even imprisoned. And there is no one to intercede! Putin, being a Russian, hates Russians, not missing the opportunity to show us his contempt and his hatred at every opportunity. The organs of power he feeds act like him in relation to my nation. Putin is not the president of the Russian people, he is a stranger, he is a tough Russophobe, brought up in this spirit over the years of his life in Germany. The pathetic amendment to the Constitution does not deceive me. She is as if through clenched teeth, reluctantly and to the side. He forgives debts to those former Soviet republics in which Russians were killed. It even contains some republics where Russians were killed. He's a stranger to me, a stranger forever.
      1. +1
        15 March 2020 13: 55
        He was never his own.
        Although the role of "his boyfriend" is his favorite. I never gave a vote for him, first because Yeltsin brought him to power. And then, in fact, it became clear that he was a dummy for the country.
  50. +2
    11 March 2020 17: 55
    Quote: depressant
    A pathetic amendment to the Constitution does not deceive me.


    Unfortunately, there is some truth in your words.
    About Russians abroad in Russia remember when
    already completely squeeze.
    More precisely, they begin to play this card.
    After all, Ukraine was taken up only when it became clear
    that there will be a NATO base in Crimea, and Ukraine itself has set its sights on it.
    Until that moment, all the shit was on the Russians in the same Crimea.
    Well, maybe except Luzhkov.
    Or when Russians were nightmare in Turkmenistan - zero reaction - concluded with
    them gas contracts.

    Perhaps now they remembered the Slavs because it would allow plugging demographic holes.
    After all, Russia is dying out again, and without migration flows it will be in the minuses for the population.

    People in Russia without documents are a problem ....
    But, I talked more about those who have so far remained in the republics ...

    The bill must be passed on migration.
    With the admission of dual citizenship.
    But I'm afraid Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan will be circumvented in this regard.

    And why is there no Uzbekistan or Azerbaijan?
    In general, why is there no program separately for Russians (Slavs)?
    Is a person from what country if he is Russian and wants to obtain citizenship?
    Why do Jews, Germans, Kazakhs have such programs, but not in Russia?

    But I am glad that at least something was added to the constitution, and that there will be a simplification of migration policy.
    Many would go to Russia if it weren’t so difficult, not with such red tape and
    not with such redneck Russian migration police (ad-hells).

    And the author of the article chose the most insignificant amendments for me and spread a liberal whining.
  51. +3
    11 March 2020 18: 38
    If in 20 years Putin has not been able to help all of Russia “grow fat”...

    Key words... It turns out, wait the same amount and a little more, and then!
    And then we will elevate Putin to the eternal “pope”, and then he is not far from the rank of saints, there are icons, chants, prayers...
    Everything is new...
    wink hi
    1. +3
      11 March 2020 19: 53
      Belief in “manna from heaven”, and even from the President, is not even infantilism, it is more dangerous.....
      1. 0
        11 March 2020 21: 20
        Alas, “not only everyone” can think critically. Propaganda works as it should, grannies believe) hi
  52. +3
    11 March 2020 18: 42
    I would like to propose another amendment to the Constitution to radically improve the lives of the poor (similar to the law on dead wood).
    "Those who do not have enough funds for a minimum life are allowed free, but no more than 1 hour per day, rummage through landfills and garbage dumps in their area of ​​​​residence"

    Why did I come up with some restrictions on time and area of ​​residence?
    Well, we have one country for all.
    If everyone starts going wild and rummaging around anywhere and as much as they can, then in an instant for free They will take all the landfills and garbage dumps into their apartments, and this is unacceptable!
    What will be left for future generations after such a predatory attitude towards their native landfills and garbage heaps? Desert? That's it!!!

    And most importantly, citizens!
    Putin and his brig... oh, the team, well, of course - the team!!!, they take care of you.

    So pay your taxes on time!
    Taxes are our sacred duty as patriots of Russia!


    1. -1
      11 March 2020 19: 57
      A worthy person cannot imagine his compatriots to be so wretched. A shame!
  53. -2
    11 March 2020 20: 15
    Wow, how your indignant mind is boiling here! The most interesting thing is that neither the author nor the majority of commentators have read either the Constitution in its existing version or the amendments to it. And they are guided by the fact that someone somewhere somehow retold, blurted out, mumbled. This is understandable: reading a legal document for an ordinary person, not a lawyer, is very burdensome. And really delve into every line! Where can you find so much patience? And so it’s normal: they said on TV that Putin introduced God into the Constitution, this is a normal reason to be indignant: he violated the rights of atheists, yeah.
    I quote the proposed paragraph 2 of Article 67-1:
    2. The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity.

    Where is the attack on atheists? Should the word “God” make atheists hysterical? The article talks about the continuity of traditions accumulated by thousands of years of history. One of the traditions (but nowhere is it written that it is mandatory or the most important) is Orthodoxy. But the country is multi-religious, so the wording speaks about God in general. Yes, any atheist constantly traditionally remembers God: “God forbid”, “as God puts it in his soul”, “Oh my God”, etc.
    Where is the reason for hysteria? Well, okay, not for hysteria, just for discontent. Well, if you don’t believe in God, good luck! You will still be cracking pancakes on Maslenitsa.
    I am, if anything, an inveterate atheist with a pioneer and Komsomol past. Just be... the 10 commandments coincide with the “Moral Code of the Builder of Communism” by 90 percent.
  54. +6
    12 March 2020 00: 27
    The Bible, Torah and Koran have been preserved for thousands of years without amendment. But who can correct them, organize some kind of “voting”... Moreover, all of them, especially the Koran, represent detailed instructions: what to do, how to live?
    Yes, questions of interpretation, the right of interpretation, have caused a lot of religious strife, disputes and wars, but no one needs to edit the “source codes”, and it is impossible.
    And who do they prevent from being good or bad, from having a conscience or not?
    No one - everyone decides for himself, and a person vested with power evaluates others... “not by his words, but by his deeds”... Aha! But there is a second part to the question: “Much is given - much will be asked!”
    Shall we ask?
    The existing Constitution did not provide free school lunches, left hope for gays to get married, and encouraged the squandering of territories? Or maybe this is a specific “surname-first name”?
    Who stopped the bad dancers? Why are we gaining fat so unevenly, is this some kind of gumboil? Ugliness at its finest.
    How did the EEC reform work? Who is selling Sberbank to whom and why? Are the police good from the police? Does Serdyukov still need to work somewhere? What else are “our” athletes ready to march with, maybe with rainbow flags - “they were preparing for it”? Who will be responsible for the liquidation of most hospitals and clinics? How much does Gazprom finance the anti-Russian “Rain”?...Who thought of robbing old people by “rejuvenating” them on TV?
    In general, where are they leading us? The answer “you will like it” is not to offer!
    So we put pluses everywhere - and we go to pave the road for the fifth or sixth terms.
    1. +1
      15 March 2020 13: 26
      We’re going because we haven’t matured, because we’ve been intimidated by the revolution... Is it evolution that the authorities have been doing all these 20 years? Nothing new, the question is when the steam will break the boiler.
      Putin “also” doesn’t like the fact that managers earn a million a day!
      Has he tried to change anything in his cooperative?
      He can easily rewrite the Constitution to suit his own people, punish pensioners, leave children without medicine, but he can’t cut down his appetite and his gang of bureaucrats?
      So what kind of president is he?
      The answer is simple - none! For twenty years he has been brainwashing himself with his “work”, but the only thing he has achieved in reality is communism for his own people.
  55. +3
    12 March 2020 18: 14
    In fact, any amendments to the Constitution without a referendum are illegal! Those who organize such “expressions of will” and those who participate in this are criminals. This is the law in force!
    For everything else, CJSC RF is closing. Assets are withdrawn, employees... are disposed of.
    With recycling, citizens of the Russian Federation! Is this what you wanted?! Here you will get it!
    1. +1
      15 March 2020 13: 15
      We wanted the best as always.
      But we got what the authorities had provided for us - lawlessness, poverty, deception, total theft and corruption.
      I am glad that the president made his move, which, in my opinion, was extremely unfortunate both for the country and for himself. There’s no need to say that he’s smart after that, he’s an operator, he’s an intriguer, yes. With everything else the seams are complete.
      Again they pinned everything on the people...
      How tired the people are already of cleaning up the masters' shit.... But again they will have to. Politicians need to be kept on a tight leash like angry dogs and almost immediately punished!
      1. 0
        17 March 2020 21: 24
        Unfortunately, dogs are us.
        1. +1
          17 March 2020 21: 47
          We are not dogs, we are slaves! What we were proud of in Soviet times was turned into ruins by a succession of post-Soviet leaders. Here they are, corrupt dogs, at first they looked into the West’s mouth, and then when they were shown their place, they began to tear their people to pieces and still can’t stop, because they were never people and the universities they graduated from couldn’t do it help.
  56. -1
    13 March 2020 02: 00
    In a country called Russia, a grandiose social experiment is ongoing, begun in 1917 ..., in itself, this is a good and even useful task, on a reasonable scale ... but the experimenters are very doubtful ..., delusional amendments to the constitution are very TORAID, the Kremlin already claims to be sacred to cover up sacredness ...., but on the horizon - a broken trough ....., sadness ... ....
    1. +1
      17 March 2020 21: 41
      Do not write nonsense!
  57. 0
    15 March 2020 12: 19
    Super. I didn’t think that VO would dare to publish something like this. I agree with Roman, thanks to him and the editors.
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    17 March 2020 21: 21
    In short, everything so that VVP and his friends, with the Stars of Heroes of Labor, continue to live without grieving. The remaining amendments are a smokescreen. And we? And we will be counted correctly again. “The main thing is not how they vote, but how they count correctly” - this is not a phrase from Stalin.
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