Who and for whom will change the Constitution


In general, it already comes to outright stupidity, and in many criticisms there is a lot of reason. The Constitution is a fundamental document that governs the basic provisions of the state of life of any citizen of any country.


In our country, as always, everything falls into farce. And wherever you look. When you soberly evaluate everything that you are going to shove into the Constitution, you just shrug your hands. But the show has just begun. School breakfasts, god, signs only in Russian ... It remains only to come up with something completely to make it completely ridiculous.

For example, so that the Constitution guarantees the switching of red and green traffic signals.

In general, we can make a flood show out of any serious matter. And they do.

Therefore, I am absolutely sure that the show “We are changing the Constitution” will succeed. Change. We have complete order with this, and there is no doubt that, according to the data already leaked to the Network, about 65% will come to the polls and the majority will vote “for”.

However, there are a lot of questions on the topic “Why is this so?” Indeed, everything was so calm, the country was moving so confidently forward, towards a brighter future, to fear of enemies and the envy of “partners” - and here you are.

“The situation in the country since the adoption of the Constitution has changed dramatically. In fact, we have another country. Amendments are in demand. ”

This is not me, this is Putin said.

Honestly, I can’t understand what has changed so much in the system-forming role of the state that it is necessary to radically change the main law of the country. And urgently.

Of course, if we take into account the fact that Putin is ending his fourth and (seemingly not sure) last term, and the ratings of United Russia, the government, and Putin himself resemble the ruble against the euro and the dollar, then there are less questions.

And frankly risking, trying to put on a throne a temporary worker, today is not worth it. The risk is really great. And, apparently, there is no desire to leave.

I was finally convinced of this by a thoughtful viewing of the “meeting with the people” in Ivanovo. He looked, was touched. But some things did not make me think - I really jumped in surprise that Vladimir Vladimirovich even voiced this.

The first thing that raised my eyebrows up and puzzled my brain was the promise of Vladimir Vladimirovich not to head the State Council. And why, then, did the garden get settled at all? Medvedev there?

On the other hand, Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to leave the Constitution inviolable (not so long ago the last time it was when he puzzled the Federal Assembly) four times in my memory, and promised not to touch the retirement age ... Oh, yes, he promised not the seventh retirement age President of the Russian Federation, and some other. The third, fourth, sixth ... I don’t remember which, to be honest, it’s not important at all.

It doesn’t matter in principle, because the retirement gift contrary to Putin’s promises was rolled up, and that’s all.

So, the promises not to head the State Council, so carefully modified, can be treated about the same way, I am sure. Because, alas, far from all Putin’s promises today can be trusted with eyes closed. Not for everyone.

The second passage, which simply killed, is about arranging for a change of power after Russia “grows fat”. This can already be regarded as something that Putin will never leave power. Well, or in the best traditions of the general secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee, it will leave her with the last heartbeat.

It’s familiar, yes?

If for 20 years Putin has not been able to help all of Russia “grow fat” ... I do not mean Timchenko, Rotenberg, Sechin, Gref, Miller and other “childhood friends”, although it would probably be worth it. These have already swam not even with fat, fat, unlike the whole of Russia.

If we talk about the same part of the population of Russia, which is not Rotenberg, then for her not everything is so rosy. On the highest level.

In general, the last time with Vladimir Vladimirovich with the fulfillment of promises is somehow sad. It is understandable to make so many promises for 20 years of rule that today in the apparatus of worries on the topic of how to dissuade from what was said earlier, is above the head.

And all because 20 years is 20 years.

Therefore, very close to 2024, you can again put the same phonogram on the topic "the situation has changed, we must act in the spirit of the times." Perhaps that will do.

But in general, it is very necessary that in April the choice was the right one. Therefore, by the way, and voting will not be point by point, but a list. And school breakfasts will go along with a system of change of power. Wholesale, so to speak.

But I really care about the very moment when serious questions, in theory, by all people, are bombarded with all sorts of nonsense, very mildly speaking, incompetent people.

For example, the passage that excited everyone about the transfer of faith in God to us by our ancestors. Specially carefully read what the people wrote on different resources. It’s not a good idea, because they said something, but they didn’t specify what kind of god they were talking about. Neither the head of the State Duma Volodin, nor Peskov.

The text of the amendment is known only from the words of the Speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin:

"The Russian Federation, united by a millennium history"preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity of the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity."

Well, the ministers of the church, seemingly still separate from the state, but rather deeply seated in a political pool, repeatedly spoke out for the fact that God had a place in the Constitution.

I understand perfectly why.

Interferes with Article No. 14 of the Constitution, which states that we have a secular state. I apologize to what extent the concept of “God” can be a legal concept? And how can we fix the law that is inside a person, that is, faith?

No, of course it is possible, and even then in cases where "There is no god but ..." and further in the text. But excuse me, how can one fix in the Basic Law of the state that which is not physically present, or that which is, in general, inside a person? And separately taken?

In fact, as far as the clergymen who met on the way explained to me, God first of all is love and the absence of coercion. And here? And here we have something new and different.

I perfectly understand Cyril, who became the shooter of the proposal. The church needs more money, more influence, more flock. Patriarch believes:

“Most Russian citizens believe in God. I’m not only talking about the Orthodox - I’m also talking about Muslims and many others. ”

Good. The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia proposes, starting from this, to add to the Constitution a mention of God. Precisely because there are many believers in Russia. Well, maybe even the majority, but what does it matter when the 21st century is in the yard?

“A man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value” - Article 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

But what about atheists who do not believe in God? What about people who have not yet decided? What about people who believe in "higher powers"? Believers of other faiths, which the ROC will not give in to?

The army, yes, our army is the clearest example of this. Today, almost every part has a church. Naturally, Orthodox. And you have every right to send your religious demands, if you are Orthodox.

And if you are a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, these are your problems.

Something somehow not so, right? Although, on the other hand, should a secular state really care about what individual citizens believe in? And yes, nevertheless, WHAT god is it, if it is included in the Constitution?

The Constitution was not, is not and should not be anything divine. First of all, the Constitution is a legal act.

In principle, the Qur'an and the Bible can also be called that. These are also collections of normative religious acts. The Quran is a particularly successful creation in this regard (from my point of view).

But in fact, I agree with Pavel Krasheninnikov, who is the head of the Duma committee on state building and legislation:

“God, if he is in the soul, then he is, regardless of whether he will be spelled out in the text of the law or not ...”

But in fact, since Putin himself introduced the amendments, I have absolute confidence that now everything that I spoke about will be written in the Constitution.

On the one hand, it seems like it's okay. But not in this country. Well, if something begins, good usually does not happen from epoch-making changes. Anything can be set as an example. Reforms are all a matter of choice: health care has been reformed so that Putin himself says it’s time to reanimate, culture, education, retirement ... It's all like a carbon copy. And everywhere it just gets worse.

You will say that if there is faith in the soul, then no reform can be touched upon. I agree. But I'm not talking about the soul, I'm talking about something else. If God, that is, the church, will have a place in the Constitution, then on the basis of this our miracle guardians deputies will be able to pass the law. Which one? I do not know. But they can. Yes, at least about tithing.

Well, I do not believe that Cyril and Vladimir are just muddied. It’s just that in our country only the State Council is being made a superorgan, and even then it seems to me that this is not just. And everything else is a well-known affair.

He said more than once that we have a lot of problems in our heads (especially growing ones) because there is no state ideology. But this point is not entirely clear, and I’ll try to explain why.

If a person does not believe in God, who is he? Lawbreaker? Criminal? Very strange. But the main thing is that this will not add spirituality. Not a bit. I think that all or almost all will now agree with me. He who did not believe will not believe further. Whoever believes - it doesn’t matter whether his faith is lawfully or not. For if a person believes, I'm sorry, he does not care about the laws. It is proved by Soviet times.

I will not offend anyone here, because the faith itself protects the feelings of believers, and not the constitution or the criminal code.

By the way, the truth is what to do with atheists and communists? How about those who didn’t fit into the constitution? Forcibly baptized or in correctional camps? Or just a loss of rights?

So, these strange attempts are just a confirmation that the current government has no ideology. And God is absolutely no helper here. On the contrary, where a cultural worker does nothing, there is a field untoward for a religious worker.

And it turns out that all these suddenly urgent attempts to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation play on anything, but not on improvement. The main number of amendments is absolutely pointless, their task is simply to veil the main changes.

It is clear that a normal person will vote for school breakfasts and against lawlessness in the country, for God against gays and so on. But he really will vote for nothing.

Proven reception already. The calculation that when voting in bulk, for the incomprehensible to many the contents of the package of amendments, and not for the amendments themselves individually, will be voted on. Wholesale. And many of those who are “sure” today that everything is right and in the name of the people will habitually vote, as always.

Well, there are no more options. Or for God, or for gays. It's always like that with us. The choice without a choice, such as Putin or Sobchak. Vote, or ... However, the latest presidential elections have shown that, in general, already without an "or".

Lose even when we are against. Remember, about renaming the police to the police with the subsequent reform? 90% were against it. But they renamed it, billions were destroyed, bribes were taken from those who wanted to stay in the hundreds of thousands, and as a result they got the police. In fact - nothing.

Against pension reform, how many were against? Also, I think, not less than 90%. Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted.

Well, somehow the words about "respecting the opinions of people" and "democratization of public life" are not very looked and heard.

Wait, of course. We will see. There is not the slightest doubt that they will correctly calculate and accept the amendments. And then we'll see, maybe, to the joy of the monarchists, the good old empire will return. With all the consequences. While we will "grow fat".

The main thing is not to stretch our legs while we grow. And tithe doesn’t really want to pay.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 05: 50 New
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    And tithing doesn’t really want to pay
    I don’t feel like it, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are “another oil” for the authorities.
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      1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 05: 59 New
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        And how can the Constitution guarantee this? Moreover, in the 90s was the present?
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          1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 05 New
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            It is clear that the course towards "albeit greedy, stupid and thieving, but surely faithful" does not contribute to the nomination of a worthy replacement, so you have to choose between the irremovable and his retinue, "greedy, dumb and thieving" and the choice is obvious. (((
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              1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 16 New
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                Papa Sobchak directly applauds you, probably.
                1. Stas157 11 March 2020 07: 23 New
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                  The main number of amendments is absolutely pointless, their task is simply to veil the main changes.

                  Right But this is just part of the “great” plan.

                  Dancing to extend the authority of the king continues. State Council, amendments, nullification of the presidency ... Vladimir Vladimirovich’s choice is increasing, but he, as a well-known scheming planner, is in no hurry to declare which way he will remain in power.

                  Changes will occur in more than one stage, so the electorate will learn the whole truth at the very end, when it is done (and for everything voted).
                  1. atalef 11 March 2020 08: 02 New
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                    Quote: Stas157
                    Changes will not occur in one step, so the electorate will learn the whole truth at the very end, when the job is done (and for everything voted)

                    indeed, if we take into account that there is another 4 years before the elections. They started the process too early, or they simply understand that it will be even worse further. Therefore, it is worthwhile to gain a foothold at this level. Who knows . maybe tomorrow will not work.
                    1. Bastinda 11 March 2020 09: 02 New
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                      Or maybe he marks for the role of the king - the father?
                      Therefore, the process is started in advance, so that you get used to it.
                      1. To be or not to be 11 March 2020 10: 23 New
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                        Anthem of the Russian Empire ("God Save the Tsar")
                        A. Lvov, V. Zhukovsky and A. Pushkin


                        God save the Tsar!
                        Strong, sovereign,
                        Reign for glory
                        To the glory of us!
                        Reign
                        To the fear of enemies
                        The Orthodox King!
                        God Save the Tsar, Save the Tsar!
                        http://www.partita.ru/docs/other-879.shtml

                        1. Introduction to the Constitution of the country of God - are there any insulting feelings of those who disbelieve in him ??
                        2. В Библии упоминается несколько Богов . Кто удостоился Чести?
                        3. И нужно ли самому Богу это..мирское или необходимоэто для правящих и для церкви ?
                        4.Do not the mention of God in the Constitution result in taxes on church income from profits and taxes on its property ??
                      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 March 2020 10: 45 New
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                        "Several Gods are mentioned in the Bible. Who has been honored?"
                        You definitely read the Bible ???
                      3. Ingvar 72 11 March 2020 11: 06 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        You definitely read the Bible ???

                        And who is the devil, if not an evil god? Who are angels, seraphim, cherubim, if not the younger gods in analogy with the pantheons of gods of other religions? При заявленном единобожии в аврамических религиях присутствуют существа, наделенные божественными способностями.
                      4. Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 March 2020 12: 26 New
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                        So is man, this is God, with a small letter, but these are all creations, and the Creator is only one!
                      5. Ingvar 72 11 March 2020 13: 27 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        and the Creator is only one!

                        Supreme god? So he is alone in many pantheons. This is a banal hierarchy, the same pyramid of power.
                      6. Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 March 2020 17: 24 New
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                        And here the pyramid of power, God the Creator of all things, everything else is his creation!
                    2. To be or not to be 11 March 2020 13: 47 New
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                      Uncle Vanya. Read for yourself ..
                      Bible, Old Testament, first chapter
                      "" "Genesis, Chapter 1 (in the first chapter of GOD!)
                      In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters .......
                      .. 26 And God said: let us make man in our image (and) in our likeness, and may they rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air (and over the beasts,) and over the cattle, and over the whole earth, and over all reptiles creeping on the ground. 27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them: Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and possess it, and rule over the fish of the sea (and over the beasts) and over the birds of the air (and over all cattle and over all the earth, ) and over any animal creeping on the ground. 29 And God said: Behold, I have given you all the grass that sows the seed that is on all the earth, and every tree that has a tree fruit that sows a seed; - This will be for your food; 30 And to all the beasts of the earth, and to all the birds of the air, and to every (reptile) creeping across the earth, in which there is a living soul, I have given all the green grass for food. And so it was. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning: the sixth day.

                      The Bible, the Old Testament, the second chapter (and here the Lord God appears and ... genetic engineering from the rib of Adam)
                      ... .7 And the Lord God made man out of the dust of the earth, and breathed in his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted paradise in Eden in the east, and placed there the man whom he created. 9 And the Lord God grew every tree from the earth, pleasant in appearance and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of paradise, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ... .. "" ""
                    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 March 2020 17: 21 New
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                      I read it, and what does it have to do with: “Several Gods are mentioned in the Bible,” I did not understand!
                      God and the Lord God, this is one and the same Creator of the Universe, he generally has many names because God is larger than the universe.
                2. alecsis69 17 March 2020 01: 19 New
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                  I definitely didn’t read it.
                  There is only one God in the Bible, all other creatures (from the created, created) are only his tools, with the exception of the person who received free will.
              2. Mikhail m 12 March 2020 09: 50 New
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                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                "Several Gods are mentioned in the Bible. Who has been honored?"
                You definitely read the Bible ???

                In the psalm of Asaph (Ps. 49: 1), the “Lord” is called the “God of the Gods” (!), In another psalm of Asaph (Ps 81: 1, 6), “God” has become in the host of “gods”; among the "gods" the court pronounced. . You are “gods” and sons of the “Most High” - all of you ”, in Psalm 94“ The Lord ”is ... The great Tsar is necessary over all “gods” ”(3), then -“ Worship “Him”, all “gods” ... For you, "Lord." exalted over other "gods" (Psalm 96: 7,9)
                The ignorance of the primary sources by believers is simply amazing. Perhaps the ban on eating pork will also be a revelation for you?
              3. Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 March 2020 20: 44 New
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                Yes, I don’t know the Old Testament, but the Psalter is my favorite book, and if you carefully read my comments above, you will notice that I already answered this question, I will quote myself: “So man, this is God, with a small letter, but these are all creations, and the Creator is only one! "
                Do you understand what the point is !? God, this is the Creator of all things, they want to mention him in the constitution!
        2. Stas-90 11 March 2020 11: 53 New
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          No, in general, people are kept for the poor.
          After all, no one seriously even considers the option that the people will vote in the elections not for Putin, if amendments are passed. And they will pass. 146% wink
          So many talking shops were deployed with these amendments in order to slip the most important thing at the very last moment. Vote on one list with school breakfasts.
          Explanations rushed from all the irons - how important is continuity and immutability.
          Why then do we need elections? Everyone who has the remnants of the brain, and so everything is clear - Putin and United Russia will win! Why is this circus? Well, you can’t not respect your people like that.
          Honestly, Absolute Monarchy. This is in fact.
          They thought up a thousand reasons and legal problems that Putin would be in power.
          In fact, in the spirit of the Rules, it was done - the President supervises no more than two terms. Any sane honest person understood this as a maximum of 8 years .. So they didn’t invent it - in a row / not in a row, then instead of 4 years - 6 years, and now - until 2036. And we'll see.

          Минуса кто будет ставить сразу пишите про то что "больше некого" (это из 150 000 000 человек!) и про лихие 90-е - как тогда было плохо и как сейчас замечательно.
        3. Fan-fan 11 March 2020 14: 54 New
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          He simply became insolent at the end, even I did not expect such a greyhound, thought that he still has a conscience, although not a lot, but I was mistaken.
        4. Stas-90 11 March 2020 15: 18 New
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          Yes, it’s not IT!
          He sat wisely with the State Council, with the Union State, with State Duрin the end, I thought how to beat everything beautifully multi-way ...
          And then advisers come to him, they say:
          - Vladimir Vladimirovich, let’s reset all the deadlines to a bad mother!
          - And so, is it possible? belay
  2. balunn 11 March 2020 10: 52 New
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    all on time ... here on the nose elections to the State Duma
  • Victor N 11 March 2020 15: 25 New
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    В самом начале статьи автор признался непонимании проблемы. И далее блестяще это доказал. Конкретно критики нет. Конструктива нет. Полная импотенция.
    Touched by his mention of God. Well, if I don’t like something, it may like it and be needed by others - why categorical? If you don’t understand something - these are your problems - keep silent, no one is obligated to explain and persuade you. And pouring your annoyance on the public is ugly.
    1. victor50 12 March 2020 09: 19 New
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      Quote: Victor N
      If you don’t understand something - these are your problems - keep silent, no one is obligated to explain and persuade you. And pouring your annoyance on the public is ugly.

      You would have brought your great understanding to ... not reached. Does it exist, of course. And not just "approvals"
  • Svarog 11 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    Many analysts are predicting a financial crisis .. of unprecedented proportions, so the guarantor is in a hurry, to guarantee his stay until the end of time ..
  • Far B 11 March 2020 06: 11 New
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    so as not to repeat past mistakes and in a difficult international situation not to change horses at the ferry
    Wow, how familiar this is! Before each federal election - "do not change horses at the crossing"! Excuse me, but if the horses have long run out of steam or even died - and stick around in the middle of a ferry with irremovable horses? Until their piranhas swallow?
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      1. Far B 11 March 2020 06: 22 New
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        Firstly, the thesis of impressive foreign policy successes is very controversial. In Syria, we already did ISIS * several times (lost count), and where you saw the end of the Syrian epic with Turkey - FIG knows.
        Secondly, what about those “foreign political feats” of the Russian population, which has been getting poorer for 6 years in a row? Will people sleep better from this? Eat fuller? Wives to love more actively?
    2. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 17 New
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      Quote: Far In
      and if the horses were exhausted long ago or even died
      They may not have died, but it stinks of them for a long time. ((
      1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 10: 20 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Maybe they didn’t die, but it stinks from them for a long time

        Yes, this sweat is so smelly, from the "workhorse".
        1. AK1972 11 March 2020 12: 24 New
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          Yes, it's sweat so stinky, from the "workhorse".

          No, these slaves on the galleys are so fragrant.
    3. Military77 11 March 2020 08: 23 New
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      Quote: Far In
      "do not change horses at the crossing"!

      Change the coachman!
    4. mikh-korsakov 11 March 2020 10: 45 New
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      ВВП любит при своих сомнительных шагах перекладывать неудачный результат с себя на посторонних. Провалы в экономике - так это всё снижение цен на нефть. травля России в зарубежных СМИ - так это всё происки сами знаете кого. Но если надо похвалить себя - так при мне Россия встала с колен. С колен-то она встала, да встала раком. Так что любой прохожий полячишка может безнаказанно дать России подж.....А он стоит рядом да приговаривает, мы мол знаем кто это сделал и знаем с какой целью. Но от этого позор России не становится меньше. Наступает момент истины для Конституционного суда. По логике поправку Терешковой суд рассматривать не должен, а должен отдать без рассмотрения, ибо в действующей конституции не написано, что ВВП может избираться без конца. А коли не написано, то нечего и рассматривать. Кстати удобная ситуация для ВВП ввиду непопулярности поправки Терешковой. Можно всё дело смикшировать, мол. я не виноват - это всё Конституционный суд.
    5. Yngvar 11 March 2020 11: 54 New
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      I recall the words of General Lebed:
      "They do not change horses at the crossing, donkeys must be changed!"
      I suppose that at this stage it’s not even donkeys, but a drover ...
  • Far B 11 March 2020 06: 09 New
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    Not tired of the mantra about the 90s? Are they really over? The country is not a constant population decline? There is no collapse of industry, education, health? Yes, there were minimal changes: the most frostbitten brothers shot each other, the less frostbitten legalized, the relatively smart - grown together with power. And the people as they ate this last same without salt, so eats.
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  • certero 11 March 2020 06: 17 New
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    А зачем противопостовлять? Что, нет никого кроме Путина, который бы мог быть президентом и сохранять силу государства?
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      Certero, there is no "top", but "from the people" will not be allowed to go there, obviously.
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    Better order than returning to the dashing 90s with a weak state and lawlessness on the streets.

    "Who did the stock exchange fall on? Who yells, saliva spray?
    This is the one who stole everything - liquid pedoliberal!
    And we have Great Lent, and we have spiritual growth!
    We took the Crimea and take Lviv, just give a command, Vova.
    New order! New order!
    We know from the cradle, remember from the notebooks.
    New order! New order!
    Song bell, gingerbread sweet.
    From Santiago to Baghdad - burn, athlete, dance pop!
    We will teach the Earth globe our mischievous truth.
    Under the pin dos doskupt against cats and pandas,
    "Against the world and goodness - beat it - hurray, hurray!"
  • ximkim 11 March 2020 06: 05 New
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    And tithing doesn’t really want to pay
    I don’t feel like it, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are “another oil” for the authorities.
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    The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity and even a harmful document! Under true popular democracy - Socialism - this is, indeed, a Document! Therefore, all these liberal-defeatist gags should be tied up, and the talk-house slammed down — the Duma and the Federation Council should be dispersed, the GDP to the throne and there’s nothing to suffer by selling the country to please the western corporation!
    We do not have any active and ideological Bolsheviks ready for the sake of their ideals to go to the barricades - some pink clowns receiving money in the same State Department! And since a return to Socialism is not expected, then let there be authoritarianism with a raid of monarchy — it is dearer and closer to Russia! Even for legitimacy, you can take any half-crazy distant relative of the Romanovs from the gloomy dens of Amsterdam into the light of day and shove them into the Kremlin for tsiru laughing
    При авторитаризме страна всегда процветала - начиная с Ивана Грозного, а как только приходила демократия - сразу же скатывалась в клозет! То смута, то эра дворцовых переворотов, то декабристы, то расцвет террора при Александре-освободителе, то развал империи при его либеральном внучке, развал сельского хозяйства при оттепели и развал страны при пятнистом! Ну уж либерально-демократические времена Ельцина все застали - войны, междоусобицы, тотальное обнищание населения...И зачем мне такая демократия, спрашивается??
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      The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity

      well then the direct road to sharia
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      . And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

      or maybe this democracy has not yet existed, but at the helm were scammers and careerists?
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        Sharia is not our tradition! Nevertheless, according to Sharia law, Saudi Arabia lives and, you know, it lives perfectly! And in our blood Orthodox authoritarianism. In the difficult year of the Great Patriotic War, Joseph Vissarionovich, among other things, turned to someone - the Church, history, reviving the cults of ancient heroes and powerful rulers: Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov .... And everything fell into place - because it was to the people he turned to his roots, to that mighty dark folk power coming from pokon centuries, thirsty, including a strong ruler .... and after that the fascist rolled back from Moscow! Then the country was raised from ruins, etc.
        And with the so-called Western democracy, the scammers and scammers will always be at the helm - because they invented it for themselves! Democracy never happened - it’s just the fantasies and inventions of the ancient Greeks, who successfully used cunning Anglo-Saxons, covering their colonial atrocities and the slave trade, and then planted the whole world on it - and we opened our mouths! Our system is authoritarianism and no nails - we are not Luxembourg, but the Russian Empire - the center of the Slavic and Orthodox culture of the world! Pink snot is needed only by clowns - such as Ukraine - it is like a democracy, only the country is run from the State Department! Even Germany is controlled from the State Department! Rather, from Walt Street - this is what democracy is for! And they hung noodles on your ears - elections, the Constitution, freedom of speech ... - and went the national wealth of Russia to the West, and the Russian people in one place!
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          Sharia is not our tradition!

          согласен, Евгений! Зато теперь у нас другая традиция- во власти до смерти и с трона только вперед ногами! Так было с царями, только Николай II исключение. И что хорошего в этой традиции? Чем закончилось бессменное руководство Сталина? - Хрущевым! Брежнева?- Горбачевым!
          Take America for example: only 2 terms, the country lives, it does not shake and does not fall apart. Maybe A.S. is right Pushkin- "Enemies are our best friends, they teach us wisdom"? And we do not learn! hi
          1. Finches 11 March 2020 07: 08 New
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            hi America has its own political tradition and we will never be able to live like that - it's like genes in a person! That's the problem! England has its own political tradition ... Western Europe, there is its own - after the Reformation! In Japan, the Emperor is a sacred person for Japan. In China, the Communist Party is like the successor of all the Qin dynasties ... You see! In the historical state, not clown remodelers, such as Ukraine and Belarus, but real ones, one cannot bring what goes against the genes! It’s like transplantation - not all organs take root or take root poorly! Why Socialism has taken root - a combination of popular democracy and the authoritarianism of monarchism! In short, I hope you understand my idea ... It’s just that there’s no time to write, you need to go sow the rational, the good, the eternal ... laughing
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              Why Socialism has taken root - a combination of popular democracy and the authoritarianism of monarchism!

              Eugene, socialism took root, because the man was protected and was confident in the future. And now the situation is absolutely the opposite. And when the guarantor strives to rule forever, but still not showing results, while driving the country's population into poverty, against the backdrop of rich friends .. it will not bring any good to anyone ..
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              In short, I hope you understand my idea ... It’s just that there’s no time to write, you need to go sow the rational, the good, the eternal ...

              Thank you, true thought, support.
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              Yes, proclaim him emperor, in the end! And then the fifth, sixth term ... Not seriously.
          2. Loess 11 March 2020 08: 21 New
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            How did the permanent leadership of Stalin end? - Khrushchev! Brezhnev? - Gorbachev!

            After a short stay in power, Lenin had a long reign of Stalin. We all rate the board as positive. After decades. Yes, then Khrushchev came - you correctly noticed that. He didn’t come for long, but managed to get things done - do not worry about my mother. Then Brezhnev came for a long time. And also this period is evaluated in principle positively. But between Brezhnev and Gorbachev, you missed the short reign of Chernenko and Andropov. So here the conclusion is more likely in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of the quick-changing temporary workers.
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              in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of quickly replacing each other

              You yourself noted that at first everything was good for the country, but in all cases the final was unsuitable. And the last is remembered. Chernenko and Andropov did not bring significant changes to our lives.
              So a long stay in power ends equally badly in the end.
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                So a long stay in power ends equally badly in the end.

                However, there are no “good” examples of short rule either. Yes, Chernenko and Andropov were not marked by anything significant. But then there are only (except Khrushchev) Gorbachev, EBN, Medvedev ... And this is far from something to be proud of, agree?
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                  EBN, Medvedev ... And this is far from something to be proud of, agree?

                  I agree. But these figures only appeared after long-sitting leaders and not without personal sympathies from these leaders, as if by
                  1. Loess 11 March 2020 09: 18 New
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                    But these figures only appeared after long-sitting leaders and not without personal sympathies from these leaders,

                    This phrase can be attributed only to Medvedev.
                    There is no hint that Stalin protested Khrushchev for the post of head of state.
                    Gorbachev came to power not after Brezhnev, but after the short-term rule of Chernenko and Andropov. And Brezhnev could not protect Gorbachev.
                    EBN came after a short-term Gorbachev. And also not thanks, but contrary to Gorbachev.
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                      This phrase can be attributed only to Medvedev.

                      What about Gorbachev? He was a protege of Andropov
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                      Quote: Silvestr
                      What about Gorbachev? He was a protege of Andropov

                      Quote: Silvestr
                      these figures appeared after long-sitting leaders

                      Andropov cannot be considered "long-sitting." One short-term replaced another. And it so happened that the power (superpower) did not survive three short-term successors.
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              Chernenko and Andropov did not bring significant changes to our lives.

              Черненко да, но при Андропове была посланы "на стажировку" группа лиц во главе с Собчаком и куратором КГБ Калугиным, в которую входили Гайдар, Чубайс и другие, которые сразу после переворота заняли ключевые места в управлении государством ( и до сих пор сидят ). Вот всё это не простое стечение обстоятельств, да и "миня горбатый" тоже был извлечён из хранилища, тоже не просто так.
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                . That's all this is not a simple coincidence, and the "humpbacked mine" too

                You are probably right
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            So here the conclusion is more likely in favor of the long reign of one person, rather than in favor of the quick-changing temporary workers.

            Да, но с учетом того, что человек у руля ведет себя не как временщик. Чего про Путина сказать не могу.
            Вот вы вроде как соглашаетесь с положительностью правления Сталина, и с регрессом во время правления Хрущева, Горбачева. Но в выводах против сменяемости. А как быть, если у руля Хрущев или Горбачев? Или Путин? Ведь по результатам правления (экономическим) Путин даже хуже Горбачева. Может все же нового Сталина поискать?
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              What I can’t say about Putin.

              I do not specifically touch on Putin’s rule, because you can talk about the results of his rule after a couple of decades. Up to this point, any discussion will wallow in endless debate.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So you kind of agree with the positive rule of Stalin

              Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              with regression during the reign of Khrushchev,

              The system built by Stalin managed to defend himself by removing Khrushchev from power. After Brezhnev, perhaps due to the fact that immediately the two subsequent rulers died too quickly, the system crashed.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But in the conclusions against turnover

              Сменяемость неизбежна в силу ограниченной продолжительности жизни человека. Я НЕ против сменяемости, я ЗА преемственность. У страны должна быть более-менее чётко определённая линия развития. И страна должна ей следовать не зависимо от человека у власти. В зависимости от текущих и прогнозируемых условий должны и просто обязаны вносится корректировки, проводиться реформы и модернизация, но основная линия должна быть стабильна. И при этом у системы должна быть возможность себя защитить от нового "Горбачёва - Хрущёва". Не должно быть такого, что пришёл новый - всё поломал, начал делать по своему, не успел (помер или переизбрали), на его место пришёл другой - поломал всё недостроенное первым, начал с нуля всё по своему, не успел и так без конца и края. Так страна вечно будет жить в нищете и разрухе, а люди проклинать или восхищаться одним конкретным правителем. По хорошему нас (народ я имею ввиду) вообще не должно сильно волновать кто находиться у власти.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Can still look for a new Stalin?

              You can search. And you can grow and educate. And this is a more realistic option than blind search.
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                for it is possible to speak about the results of his reign after a couple of decades.

                They have already passed.
                Quote: Less
                Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.

                Yes, but that no one would interfere with him, he surrounded himself with loyal people who did not "stir" his orders.
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                I am NOT against changeability, I am for continuity.

                This rule is good for the state ONLY subject to an independent and fair ruler. At this time, Yeltsin's successor did not betray the covenants of the mentor. According to the results in the economy.
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                And you can grow and educate. And this is a more realistic option,

                Who and how will this be done under the ruling compador system? "Nashi" with the announced patriotism quickly blown away and shed abroad. Understand that having destroyed the system of professional technical education, it is foolish to trust the appearance of professionals. There will be no miracle, or there will be no viburnum from the mountain ash. hi
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                  There will be no miracle, or there will be no viburnum from the mountain ash.

                  You could write much shorter - Putin is to blame for everything. But this is your personal opinion. I see no reason to argue on this topic. You were interested in my position on turnover - I clarified it. And you immediately forgot about her, trying to simplify everything to one single word - Putin. Boring. Chesslovo - boring.
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                    You could write much shorter - Putin is to blame for everything. But this is your personal opinion.

                    Вы знакомы с понятием пирамида власти? Если человек не пешка и не ставленник олигархов, то именно он отвечает за свою команду. А она у Путина практически вся собственноручно набранная, причем многие его друзья еще с детства и молодости. Вся его команда это его знакомые, с которыми он дружил, служил, работал еще до президентства. Случайных людей там нет.
                    And how do you think a person should be responsible for the actions of a personally typed team?
                    Take the example of Stalin, and even Hitler - the officials of the USSR and Germany worked unlike the current ones. I cited Germany as an example for contrast, in order to show that even under capitalism it is possible to correctly and correctly develop a country.
                    In both cases, ideology was the engine, but only Putin excluded it from the development vector. A car without wheels will not go.
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                    In both cases, ideology was the engine, but only Putin excluded it from the development vector. A car without wheels will not go.

                    I’ll fix it a bit - the engine and wheels are completely different.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Take the example of Stalin, and even Hitler

                    I already told you that it will be possible to really evaluate the results of Putin’s rule a couple of decades after his departure.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Are you familiar with the concept of a power pyramid?

                    Could you remind me of the essence of our dialogue? And then, for the endless mention of Putin, I seem to have forgotten what you want from me?
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                    I’ll fix it a bit - the engine and wheels are completely different.

                    I agree.
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                    I already told you that it will be possible to really evaluate the results of Putin’s rule a couple of decades after his departure.

                    Vicious form of thinking. After the fight, they don’t wave their fists.
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                    Could you remind me of the essence of our dialogue?

                    There is a wheel on the mouse, and if you spin it, the essence will be right before your eyes! wink good
                    Joking as a joke, but in this case we need real changeability, or an absolute monarchy with the transfer of the throne by inheritance. Only in this case, the head of state will be vitally interested in the development of the country, because in essence it will be his property, and not a life-time feeding trough. I hope you understand my idea.
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                    Vicious form of thinking. After the fight, they don’t wave their fists.

                    Two simple examples. Of those that you brought. The possessed Fuhrer in 1939 is actually the hero of the nation. Anschluss of Austria, the Sudetenland and the Rhine region. I would stop here - to be him a great historical figure, and not an international criminal.
                    Stalin. Collectivization. How great is its popularity among the peasants, who at that time were the majority and from whom cattle and land were taken in favor of collective farms, which no one had ever seen before?
                    Stalin. December 1941. Wehrmacht near Moscow. The country, despite all the pre-war efforts on the verge of collapse. Let's say at this moment someone else is standing at the helm. No matter what the outcome of the war would be. Stalin would remain a leader in which the enemy reached Moscow.

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                    but in this case we need real turnover,

                    Huh. That’s why I’ll say so. Do you believe that Putin is immortal? I do not believe. Therefore (my personal opinion, which I do not cover with any slogans and do not impose on anyone), Putin is trying to create a system of stable development of the state. Here, it’s not the first day that spears have been breaking about God in the Constitution, about zeroing the deadlines. And everyone forgot about the State Council. And for me, all the amendments are designed so that the amendment is about the State Council. All the rest is for officials and oligarchs not to obstruct. Yes, I admit that Putin, who holds the post of head of the State Council, will remain in real power for some time. But Putin is not in power forever (sooner or later, someone will succeed him) and he needs to manage to create a mechanism for a smooth transition of power from one president to another. So that the new man in power "does not break firewood." Yes, for some time this will be little noticeable, but the system should gain strength. However, I have already talked about the need for continuity in the line of development of the state. "There is a wheel on the mouse, and if you spin it," and you can see it.
                    And the ideal form of transfer of power does not exist. Even among the monarchs who were brought up and taught precisely in order to rule the state, worthless rulers often met. Party Central Committee? Alas, the system is not at all perfect, as it turned out. Democracy? When before the election it is unknown who and everyone praises him? Well, you yourself understand. Therefore, the idea of ​​the State Council against this background looks no worse than anything else.
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                    Stalin. Collectivization.

                    Stalin in 1939 was a person and a very competent manager.
                    Quote: Less
                    Putin is trying to create a system of stable development of the state.

                    Национализация добывающей отрасли? Нет. Издан указ, запрещающий экспорт кругляка(лес)? Нет. Введена система прогрессивного налогообложения? Нет. В чем конкретновыражаются попытки Путина создать систему развития государства?
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                    And the ideal form of transfer of power does not exist.

                    I know, but the monarchy from my point of view is the best form of power.
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                    Nationalization is impractical. Saw - no power. Progressive taxation is not yet ripe. No, you can dream, but do ...
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                    Nationalization is impractical.

                    Why did you decide this?
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                    Saw - no power.

                    So you need to create, because it is money and jobs.
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                    Progressive taxation is not yet ripe.

                    Because friends oligarchs are not yet mentally ready?
                    Super arguments! good
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    Stalin ruled by setting long-term goals and knowing that no one would interfere with him.

    Yes, but that no one would interfere with him, he surrounded himself with loyal people who did not "stir" his orders.

    Addition: Stalin surrounded not only faithful, but also talented people. Or, at least, experts in their field.
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    for it is possible to speak about the results of his reign after a couple of decades.

    why wait a long time? you can talk now:
    Saved the country, yes!
    The number of billionaires increased, yes
    The country rose from its knees - doubtfully
    Human rights respected - no
    Life has become better - not everyone and not everywhere
    Corruption won, no
    Keeps His Promises - No
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      You were kindly advised not to rush. It helps not to say absurdities. Any assessment is very subjective, the truth is difficult to grow through history.
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        You were kindly advised not to rush.

        Have you advised anything?
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    He didn’t come for long, but managed to get things done - do not worry about my mother.

    Can I give you more details on this?
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    Khrushchev came - you rightly noticed that. Didn’t come for long

    Is this how much? By US standards, more than two presidential terms.
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    Take America for example: only 2 terms

    This is two terms right now. That's just at the helm some shit, the country is in collapse compared to 50-60 years. But really the great President Roosevelt taxied for 4 terms, and taxied from a terrible ass.
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      But the really great President Roosevelt steered 4 terms,


      it is rather an exception. than the rule
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        it is rather an exception. than the rule

        True, if you really need to, then the rules can be neglected.
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    "Enemies are our best friends, they teach us wisdom"

    "But I fear more than those
    caressing me who torments "
    Great lines good and brought to the place, but this is Gavrila Romanovich Derzhavin. hi
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      but this is Gavrila Romanovich Derzhavin.

      thanks for the amendment hi
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    А я с Вами согласен. Проблема не в долгом сроке правления, а в том, чтобы был механизм смены правителя, утратившего доверие народа. Кстати, любимая формулировка современной Администрации Президента, только вряд ли они будут рады применять её к себе любимым. В России должна быть персонификация верховной власти, - чтобы было кому конкретно предъявить за безобразия, и кому воздать славу за успехи государства (всего государства, а не "Капитолия"). Это Этнопсихология нашего народа, это Архетипы, и это замечательный архетипы ! А Путин видите ли "устал" от персональной ответственности, запарился оправдываться перед лохами, исполняя на деле роль Смотрящего, разруливающего интересы олигархов. Вот где Галера то окаянная! Посему, пущай отдувается невнятный Госсовет, - то есть "группа товарищей", - то есть никто. Коллективному Госсовету вопрос не задашь, его даже ругать как то не получится, вывеску ругать смешно. А ведь он реально устал, - можно понять чисто по-человечески, - устал отдуваться за счет своей личной харизмы за всех "новых бояр", "новых помещиков", за ППП - Партию Попутчиков Путина, именуемую ЕдРо, со всеми артистами, спортсменами, креативными манагерами. Вот поэтому вся свора и замутила эту тусовку под названием "Поправки", потому и замутила "единым пакетом", да ещё с завлекаловками, - кому про бога (действительно, какого именно бога ?), кому про "Русскость", кому про завтраки. А то тут начали вопросы на конференциях задавать, - про Идеологию, про социализм. Госсовет вам, вот! И
  • Malyuta 11 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    To disperse the Duma and the Federation Council, GDP to the throne and there’s nothing to suffer by selling nonsense to please a western corporation!

    Правильно!!! Вот таким будет наш ответ Чемберлену! Даёшь Царя!!! Вся власть Царю!!! Землю Царю, Фабрики Царю! Боже Царя Храни! Ура!
    And you sorry at the tsarist regime in what ranks do you see yourself? In serfs, laborers, merchants, or at once this prince-dukes?
    1. Finches 11 March 2020 07: 14 New
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      Who are you, the oligarch? Or because hung up with loans has a Ford Focus and an apartment in a mortgage, the opportunity to go to Turkey is not a peasant and a serf, but like, a free man? laughing What am I? Here you are all outraged, but tomorrow in the Kremlin they will say "Get out!" and you all, unhappy, will go silently! What, behind your indignation (here I not only personally mean you) is the determination to go to the barricades ?? Liberals at least go to the Swamp sometimes - and you? Therefore, do not la-la-wrestlers with a "bloody" regime, if the words are not worth it! And I am for an authoritarian regime, and since it so happened - let Putin be! And in any election-swag you need to save money and that's it!
      1. Ingvar 72 11 March 2020 11: 22 New
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        And I am for an authoritarian regime, and since it so happened - let Putin be!

        Eugene, I am also for authoritarianism, but Putin is not suitable for this role, because he is not an independent person. A charismatic personality is suitable for this role, but not a person who is not able to enforce the decrees (May wink ) from the pyramid of power built by yourself.
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          hi This is the problem, but where to get them! And GDP is like a lesser evil among other things!
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            Quote: Finches
            And GDP is like a lesser evil among other things!

            Don't you think this thought is artificially imposed? No alternative?
    2. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 15 New
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      In serfs, laborers, merchants, or at once this prince-dukes?

      Well, as always, what is written in your forefront.
      1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 11: 33 New
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        Well, as always, what is written in your forefront.

        Comrade, it’s really not clear to me what some citizens are offering, either some kind of stsar, then the supreme ruler, or the braces. What is in their heads ..... Adults, but how are they children.
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          What is in their heads ..... Adults, but how are they children.

          Dollars, euros and other earthly goods.
  • Odysseus 11 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    Well, liberal-democratic times of Yeltsin have already found everything - wars, civil strife, total impoverishment of the population ... And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

    Was Yeltsin who shot the Supreme Soviet from tanks a liberal and a democrat?
    You, dear Zyablitsov joker ....
    1. Finches 11 March 2020 07: 21 New
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      He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!
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        He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!

        That is exactly what was respected Eugene! Now they want to repeat something similar in Russia .. Many have refrained)))
      2. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 18 New
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        Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough!

        The division of the feeder does not do without blood.
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        Quote: Finches
        He shot Kavo there - one pro-Western clown scared other pro-Western clowns! Moreover, this is 1993 - liberal national traitors shared the feeding trough! That's all the little things!

        Согласен. Более того - российские "либиралы - демократы" вовсе не совпадают с толкованием этих терминов из словарей. Вспомним "демократов" в 1993
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      Quote: Odyssey
      Was Yeltsin who shot the Supreme Soviet from tanks a liberal and a democrat?

      One joker parliament set fire, the second joker parliament shot. It happens to everyone.
  • atalef 11 March 2020 08: 14 New
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    The constitution in a capitalist state is a profanity and even a harmful document!

    of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
    since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
    and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6
    Active suffrage for women introduced June 4, 1919 August 18, 1920 text
    No. 20 The expiration date of the Congress and the President is set. March 2, 1932 January 23, 1933 text.
    No. 21 Repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment; however, alcohol restrictions are allowed at the state level. February 20, 1933 December 5, 1933 text
    No. 22 One and the same person can hold the presidency no more than two terms March 24, 1947 February 27, 1951 text
    No. 23 In the presidential election, Washington should be represented on the electoral college by the same number of electors as it would have been, being a separate state, but no more than the least populated state June 16, 1960 March 29, 1961 text
    No. 24 Prohibition of restriction of suffrage on the grounds of non-payment of tax September 14, 1962 January 23, 1964 text
    No. 25 The procedure for exercising the powers of the president in case of early termination of the powers of the president (the vice president becomes president) July 6, 1965 February 23, 1967
    No. 26 Introduces universal active suffrage from the age of 18 throughout the United States March 23, 1971 July 1, 1971 tex

    This is for 100 years.
    конституция Швеции принята в 1810 г и практически не менялась и есть десятки и десятки примеров --- неизменностью конституций отличаются ИМЕННО КАПИТАЛИСТИЧЕСКИЕ страны.
    Unlike the countries of socialism and their last - changing constitution every other day for a third.
    1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 08: 17 New
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      of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
      since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
      and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

      And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution .. And how do you live, according to the Talmud? )))))
      1. atalef 11 March 2020 12: 35 New
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        Quote: Nadsor
        Quote: atalef
        of course here are the states - the icebreaker of capitalism
        since 1787 already adopted 27 amendments.
        and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

        And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution .. And how do you live, according to the Talmud? )))))

        In Israel, English law, in England there is no constitution, are they like, according to the Bible, they live?
        Although where does it
        State Duma adopted 360!!! (360 Karl) - amendments to the constitution of which as much as 29 years
        in the United States for 230 le ---- 27 amendments.
        Wonderful things are your Lord
        Quote: Nadsor
        And you Atalef in Israel do not have a constitution

        Do you have it like laughing
        It’s good that there is - there is something to change every other day for a third.
        Tomorrow will be amended that the sandwich must be with butter and cheese laughing
        1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 13: 05 New
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          Do you have it like

          We have ..)))
          Quote: atalef
          In Israel, English law, in England there is no constitution, are they like, according to the Bible, they live?

          Ну Англию тут не нужно к хвосту прицеплять Аталеф ..
          По какому закону вы живете в Израиле и еще тут нас в России унижать пытаетесь ? Вопрос в лоб и снимите тюбетейку ..
          You all climb to us with moralizing, but what if we are to you?
          Допустим о незаконности этого искуственного образования кровавого и т.д. ?
          You do not have a constitution or anything else ... Do you sit in the tolmud?
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            We have ..

            by whom and in what place?
            Quote: Nadsor
            Well, England does not need to attach Atalef to the tail

            почему ? У нас английское право ( и немного турецкого в земельном кодексе - наследие от оттоманской империи , поэтому кадастровые записи да же 150 летней и более давности признаются и незыблемы ) -- это факт .
            What to do about it? Nothing.
            Quote: Nadsor
            By what law do you live in Israel and are you still trying to humiliate us in Russia?

            According to the code of laws of Israel.
            familiarize yourself with the concept of law (legal system) and the law - then you will understand
            Quote: Nadsor
            are you still trying to humiliate us in Russia?

            Why humiliate it?
            It's ridiculously simple.
            Zeroing laughing
            Quote: Nadsor
            You all climb to us with moralizing, but what if we are to you?

            Wellcome.
            Zero our Bibi laughing
            Quote: Nadsor
            Suppose the illegality of this artificial bloody formation, etc. ?

            ooooo
            Illegality, bloody.
            Well, about illegality - decipher, laugh.
            What about the bloody one?
            In our elections, the Arab party is the 3rd largest in parliament and most likely the Arab will be the chairman of the opposition in parliament.
            We probably cut them a little recourse
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            You have no constitution and others

            You have and have something to be proud of wink
            I wonder if Putin will survive until 2036, what will you reset to zero?
            Quote: Nadsor
            Are you sitting in the tolmud?

            No, usually on chairs.
            Honestly, the Talmud has never read and didn’t even hold it in your hands. As an expert on enlightenment, what are you talking about? Probably about goyim again laughing
    2. Sergej1972 11 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      The Swedish Constitution consists of four fundamental documents. The most important of these, the "Form of Government Act," was adopted in 1975. The fourth document was adopted in 1991. And only the Succession Act has been in force since 1809.
    3. Mordvin 3 11 March 2020 13: 08 New
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      and for 100 !!! Karl, the last 100 years as much as 6

      It is necessary to compose more. One Prilepin composed 12 amendments.
  • vvnab 11 March 2020 09: 33 New
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    Under authoritarianism, the country always flourished - starting with Ivan the Terrible, and as soon as democracy came, it immediately slipped into the closet! Either the turmoil, the era of palace coups, the Decembrists, the heyday of terror under Alexander the Liberator, the collapse of the empire with his liberal granddaughter, the collapse of agriculture during the thaw and the collapse of the country during the spotty! Well, liberal-democratic times of Yeltsin have already found everything - wars, civil strife, total impoverishment of the population ... And why do I need such a democracy, one asks ??

    Well, yes, tyranny is not at all the opposite of democracy, but rather one of its varieties with the delegation of authority to a specific person, in contrast to the oligarchic form that has been established now. So I am also a tyrant, since we are not coming out with democracy.
    Only here Putin is not suitable for the role of a tyrant. He was put by the oligarchy, and he will continue to defend its interests, "until the last breath," so to speak ...
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    Please return to the hospital
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    I don’t feel like it, but I’m afraid I will have to, because we are “another oil” for the authorities.

    Comrade, we have entered the final part of the act of the greatest tragicomedy farce of the 20th-21st centuries, entitled "Utilization of Russia."
    Many simply do not want to understand and see what is happening, they do not want to analyze, while others simply do not have critical thinking at all and they don’t understand cause-effect relationships.
    На самом деле нет ничего проще проследить хронологию горбачёвщина-эльцинизм-путинизм, что здесь непонятного? Вчера Герой Советского Союза госпожа Терешкова (красиво звучит)под звуки гимна СССР жёстко приземлила наш потрёпанный космо-корабль прямо носом в грунт.
    I don’t even understand who is more sorry, those who understand everything or those who do not want to do this. Most likely the first, since the second will drag the first behind them on an entertaining journey of searching for the bottom.
    1. Finches 11 March 2020 07: 23 New
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      The bottom came for Russia in 1991 - when everyone was happy about McDonald's coming to Moscow ... laughing
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        Quote: Finches
        The bottom came for Russia in 1991 - when everyone was happy about McDonald's coming to Moscow ... laughing

        mcdonalds then here and 7 Is it like he collapsed the USSR?
        Let's hit a burger for sloppiness, bureaucracy and communism !!!!
        laughing
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          This is a metaphor, but you, apparently, cannot understand it ...
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            Quote: Finches
            This is a metaphor.

            Metaphor, mmmmmmmm?
            What author-> author-> author имел ввиду?
            Metaphor (Greek: μεταφορά “transference; figurative meaning”, from μετά “above” + φορός “bearing”) - a word or expression used in a figurative meaning, which is based on a comparison of an unnamed subject or phenomenon with any other based on their common characteristic

            уж не на США ли намекал Евгений , своим Эзоповым языком ?

            Quote: Finches
            The bottom came for Russia in 1991

            Then the question is, what became of the bottom for 20 years of reign of the sun?
            Have you struck a new one or rose from your knees?
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              Have you struck a new one or rose from your knees?

              Yes, and more than one bottom was broken ... Ulyukaev and Siluanov will confirm that they are specialists in breaking through the bottom and finding a new one.
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            This is a metaphor, but you, apparently, cannot understand it ...

            And there are many divorced ..
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        when everyone was happy about McDonald’s coming to Moscow ..

        I was not happy. It was disgusting to look at the crowd, I do not know what to call them, dreaming of touching the stub of an overseas sandwich.
        1. Monster_Fat 11 March 2020 09: 57 New
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          Может надо смотреть не только на то, что "добавят" и "изменят" в Конституции, а и на то, что под шумок из нее "уберут". А уберут не мало-многие считают, что если убрать приоритет ЕСПЧ то "заживем", типа, вот она "свобода" российского законодательства над западным!,...НО-во многих случаях обращение в ЕСПЧ является единственным шансом заставить зажравшиеся российские власти и чиновников выполнять свои социальные обязательства перед российским гражданином или остановить произвол этих властей, чиновников и их "опричников" разного рода над гражданами России. То есть на самом деле такими вот изменениями Конституции-убиранием приоритета прав человека и ЕСПЧ подготавливается форма правления, которая оставит человека в России один на один с продажной и заточенной под власть "судебной системой", без возможности апиляции. Вы понимаете, к чему это приведет? Это во- первых. Во- вторых, весь "сыр-бор" якобы затевается для того, чтобы ВНИМАНИЕ! "усилить роль парламента" в государстве, чуть ли не изменении государственной формы правления с "президентской, на парламентскую". Однако, если внимательно посмотреть, то что меняется? А меняется ......да ничего. Как президент мог рекомендовать своего кандиата в "премьерминистры" так и будет и дальше рекомендовать-никто этого не будет запрещать и как он утверждал его кандидатуру, так и будет утверждать, единственно, что типа "поменяется", так это то, что сама Дума может выдвигать своего кандидата в "премьерминистры", причем если этот кандидат президенту не понравится, то перебрав остальных, Думу Президент....распустит! То есть прикиньте-народ выбрал Думу, а Президент ее возьмет и распустит, только за то, что ему не "понравится" кандидат от Думы на пост премьер министра! Прикольно, да-такие вот "законодательные выкрутасы" записные "иксперты" и называют "заменой "президентской формы правления- "парламентской"! " "Заменой"-ага. Теперь про пресловутый "госсовет"- якобы совещательный орган в основном представленный из "губернаторов" и созданный "для постановки задач губернаторам". Все прекрасно понимают, что ""совещания там никакого нет и не будет-будет междусобойчик между хозяином и теми кого он назначил на "кормление в губберни". Планируется там закрепить "конституционно" и "пожизненно" неких избранных-"неприкасаемых" опять же назначенных "президентом" и для чего? Причем президент этот "совет" и возглавит. Это, что тоже такая форма "парламентаризма"? Нафига тогда Дума со своими "комитетами", которая как раз и должна работать “In order to ensure the coordinated functioning and interaction of public authorities, to determine the main directions of the domestic and foreign policy of the Russian Federation and priority areas of the socio-economic development of the state.” (function of the notorious "State Council").
          Now, so beloved by the patriots, the introduced provision on "do not span the land of the Russian adversaries" —so read carefully, and there-“with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states),
          that is, it is precisely those reasons for which in recent years Russia has lost even a part of the shelf of the Barents Sea and Damansky Island and other lands and water areas!
          So that it’s not prejudiced to look at what is planned to be changed in the Constitution, all these “changes” are intended to consolidate certain circles in power, to create a mechanism for their reproduction there, to further deprive citizens of their rights and the ability to complain somewhere other than the “Basmanny Court” ", and everything else (there is" about God "," patriotism ", family, etc.) is ordinary, insignificant tinsel added for" covering up the eyes "of the average man in order to push through the main thing.
          1. Sergej1972 11 March 2020 11: 32 New
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            No one spoke about the transition to a parliamentary form of government. Putin has repeatedly spoken out that the presidential republic is optimal for Russia. The prime minister will be nominated exclusively by the president. However, if you imagine a hypothetical situation that the parliamentary majority and the president belong to different political forces, then the president will be forced to nominate either a representative of this majority or a politically neutral technocrat. At the same time, power ministers, regardless of the balance of power in the State Duma, will definitely be directly subordinate to the president. It turns out a kind of hybrid of the presidential (in relation to power ministers) and mixed, presidential-parliamentary (in relation to the prime minister and most ministers) republics. In general, it is still basically a presidential republic.
          2. Sergej1972 11 March 2020 11: 42 New
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            The president is ex officio and heads the State Council. Putin said that he was against the idea that in the future the head of the State Council should be someone other than the current president.
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            . And not a few will be removed, many believe that if we remove the priority of the ECHR, we will "heal", like, here it is the "freedom" of Russian legislation over Western!,.

            Namely, it angers neoliberals and other whiners ..))))
            There are already claims for a trillion and more ha ha ha .. Do you also want to snatch a piece of the body of Russia?
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          I was not happy. It was disgusting to look at the crowd, I do not know what to call them, dreaming of touching the stub of an overseas sandwich.

          In vain, it’s quite normal food to eat.
          Fast, fresh, clean.
          I understand dumplings or pies in 1991 looked better, and the pies from the cat were more familiar.
          But as they say

      3. ZAV69 11 March 2020 09: 41 New
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        The bottom came for Russia in 1991
        No, much health before. The bottom came when Khrushchev removed the highest party organs from the supervision of state security. And then the bottom came. The Stalinist system of mutual control went into the woods, the countdown to the decay of the head and the appearance of the appendages began.
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          when Khrushchev removed the highest party organs from the supervision of state security.

          But is the KGB an example of patriotism and a defender of the state? When the USSR was destroyed where were the Chekists? Trying on new posts. Kostin from VTB, the same Putin, they are from the office. And today's defenders roof cemeteries, are engaged in robbery. Young people in the Gelenvagenah think about their homeland? Do you rely on them? Really funny.
          1. ZAV69 11 March 2020 12: 04 New
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            Вы меня не поняли. Был перекрестный контроль. Партия руководила МГБ (КГБ вроде так в то время называлось), МГБ пас партийную верхушку. Любой член ЦК мог запросто оказатья в подвалах кровавой гебни, Ленинградское дело как пример. Хрущев вывел партийную верхушку из под контроля и она загнила. Сгнила партийная верхушка, следом сгнил КГБ.

            Quote: Silvestr
            And today's defenders roof cemeteries, are engaged in robbery. Do you rely on them? Really funny.


            But I'm not funny unfortunately. We have everything like people, in the same states, for example. The local defenders in the person of the FBI and the CIA are primarily interested in their interest, why should ours be different from them?

            Here it is necessary to buy AK and a box of cartridges for the last dibs, so it will be more true.
            1. New Year day 11 March 2020 12: 08 New
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              Here it is necessary to buy AK and a box of cartridges for the last dibs, so it will be more true.
              good
            2. Sergej1972 11 March 2020 13: 31 New
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              Without the consent of the Central Committee, not a single member could be sent to the cellars of "bloody gebni".
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                In the course of the Leningrad case, a member of the Central Committee, the chairman of the Council of Ministers and the chairman of the state plan were arrested, not counting the secretaries of the regional committee. And you say you could not send ....
                1. Sergej1972 11 March 2020 21: 47 New
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                  На момент ареста они были уже освобождены от должностей и выведены из состава ЦК. И уже подвергнуты политическому остракизму. Ход следствия и судебного процесса находились под прямым контролем Сталина и Маленкова, который, строго говоря, и был инициатором "Ленинградского дела". Это было проявлением борьбы в верхах партии и государства, между, условно говоря, " маленковцами" и "ждановцами". МГБ не было его инициатором, оно было инструментом в руках Сталина и Маленкова. Кстати, министра Абакумова вскоре тоже сняли с должности, а затем арестовали.
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          On the other hand, they started talking about strengthening party control over state security agencies under Stalin, after the removal of Abakumov and the appointment of Ignatiev. Although the top party leadership has always controlled the security agencies. The same Yezhov was primarily a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee, Secretary of the Central Committee and chairman of the Party Control Committee, and then the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs.
          1. New Year day 11 March 2020 12: 22 New
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            Although the top party leadership has always controlled the security agencies.

            Andropov also came to the authorities from the party
          2. atalef 11 March 2020 13: 38 New
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            On the other hand, they began talking about strengthening party control over state security agencies under Stalin, after the removal of Abakumov and the appointment of Ignatiev

            Not earlier ,
            Terrible when Malyutu appointed.
            They also say that Grozny invented the first X-ray apparatus.
            He still told the boyars, I, you and ... female obaki, I see through and through.
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          Yes, you are absolutely right. I didn’t go deep just hi
  • Van 16 11 March 2020 05: 59 New
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    All our powers that be are terribly far from the people and terribly close to their own pockets.
    1. Tank hard 11 March 2020 07: 48 New
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      Quote: Van 16
      All our powers that be are terribly far from the people and terribly close to their own pockets.

      So they thought even under RI, is this news for you? wink
      1. Van 16 11 March 2020 11: 30 New
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        No, of course .. It’s just that over the past few years it has been so vivid that there are no words ..
  • DMB 75 11 March 2020 06: 02 New
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    Vladimir Vladimirovich’s promise not to lead the State Council.

    His promises to all of this are worthless on a market day. To give a word is a noble cause, and to remember a word is a peasant one. He is the master of his own word, he gave the word himself, he took the word away! There is no more faith to the merchant's word.
  • Clueless 11 March 2020 06: 02 New
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    The masks have been reset, it is now clear that we will not vote for the amendments, but to be Putin or not to be in power for another 16 years.
    Here are just the voting results are advisory in nature. So what to be. We are all here just for show, we are not the ones to decide.

    Why do we need political competition ... this is bad.

    These "not very smart" people will bring the country to revolution, because young people have been seeing the same person in power for 20 years, and they still offer her to watch it for 16 years. Watch how talented children of officials occupy large places in companies, how security officials replaced racket from the 90s, with low salaries and pensions, etc.

    And most importantly, I personally respected Putin before, that he always kept his word, and now?
    Pension promised not to increase .. increased.
    He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.
    He promised not to hold on to power ... but he holds so that even changes the constitution for himself.

    How tired of all this :(
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      Pension promised not to increase .. increased.
      He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.
      He promised not to hold on to power ... but he holds so that even changes the constitution for himself.

      “Once lied, who will believe you?” - “Fruits of Meditation” (1854) Kozma Prutkov.
    2. Insurgent 11 March 2020 06: 53 New
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      He promised not to change the constitution .. changes.

      But who is against changes in the Constitution aimed at strengthening the state?



      But to establish a monarchy - stop there was no such agreement!
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      Masks reset, now clear

      And you just overtook? wink
      Quote: Bad
      How tired of all this :(

      Pull yourself together. stop
    4. Gardamir 11 March 2020 09: 18 New
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      The only way out is not to vote. Here they urge to "show" to go and vote against. But this is cunning. Anyone who goes will be a member of the crowd. It will give an occasion to create the appearance that "the people supported. Semi-empty sections, this is what our opinion on these games will show.
      1. Galleon 11 March 2020 10: 21 New
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        The only way out is not to vote.

        Voting will be recognized as legitimate for any number of voters - the lower turnout threshold is canceled. Therefore, we must go and vote against it. Of course, the results of the vote will be flushed down the toilet and replaced with the necessary ones, but you still have to go. At least not to receive reproaches later.
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          Speaking of legitimacy and turnout threshold, you agree to play by their rules. So the result will be what they need.
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            agree to play by their rules

            The result will be necessary for them regardless of the voting results. But this will be their forgery and their crime against their own rules. And these rules in one variation or another are characteristic in general for that mess, which is called democracy. There must be some rules, no one offers others. DO NOT VOTE. It is our indifference that increases their impudence.
        2. AK1972 11 March 2020 12: 53 New
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          Therefore, we must go and vote against it.

          I absolutely agree with every word. Although the result is known. If the guarantor of the Constitution, flouting this very Constitution had at least minimal doubts about the results of this “vote”, he would not have started this circus. Everyone understands that all these amendments are just camouflage for the “Tereshkova amendment”. However, I will go to vote this time at least so that I can say to adult children who do not know the president, except Putin: "I was against it!"
          1. Marine engineer 12 March 2020 16: 36 New
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            “However, I’ll go to vote this time”

            Пойдете и проиграете. Кремлевским «наперсточникам» только того и надо что бы Вы ПРИШЛИ на участок и «сыграли» по их правилам. При этом Ваше мнение им не интересно, их будет интересовать только явка и Вы своим протестным голосованием её обеспечите, тем самым став соучастником этого постыдного балагана.
            Полупустые участки голосования вот что для них действительно страшно, всем станет понятно что люди люди поняли что ими пытались манипулировать и не дали себя обмануть.
            In such a situation, “drawing” Kholuy’s 50-60% “approval” will not be possible.
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              Quote: Marine engineer
              In such a situation, “drawing” Kholuy’s 50-60% of “approval” will not be possible

              Easy. It will be possible to vote also "electronically", through "State services", for example.
      2. depressant 11 March 2020 11: 33 New
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        I read the whole long argument started by my colleague Zyablitsov ...
        Back in the 90s, I had to come across the opinion that some objective features of our country dispose of a totalitarian form of power. Namely:

        - a huge territory (in our country it is the largest in the world);
        - a huge length of borders (we have the largest in the world);
        - low population density, that is, the number of people per square kilometer - and you yourself understand that this is not so with us, and the situation is deteriorating due to the growing extinction and outflow of the population to other countries;
        - the presence of a huge number of small in number of peoples of the opposite mentality and different levels of development in relation to the level of civilization;
        - the presence of many religions, ranging from shamanism to Orthodoxy, some of which seek to take a militant position, having for this a sufficient number of adherents.

        And in such conditions, leading to obvious friability and poor manageability of the state, you need:

        - convey power to every square kilometer of territory;
        - make every kilometer of the border impenetrable;
        - create conditions for prosperity, which means the reproduction of the whole nation as a whole and to the same extent of each nationality, otherwise the place of the whole nation will be occupied by the inhabitants of neighboring countries;
        - put all the peoples of the country in the same attitude to the authorities, otherwise they will start to scatter;
        - satisfy the need of each religion to perform rites so that none of them contradict the other, that is, exclude religious wars.

        Difficult, isn't it? Disposes to totalitarian rule? Of course. However, this form of government does not mean the irremovability of the dictator. Nowadays, one dictator cannot solve the totality of tasks. There should be an iconostasis of like-minded leaders. It seems that he is no longer there. And therefore, one person is trying to load the problems. And why is there no iconostasis in the form of many young leaders, of whom everyone is ready to take on the weight of the cart? Because you can’t create virtue from the vice thoroughly fostered by the old dictator, especially if, not wanting to suspect it of yourself, you are vicious.
        Наш народ -- он разный, но каковы бы ни были его слои, все они требуют открытости центральной власти, а она, исходя из профессиональных особенностей её носителя, а именно Путина, -- сплошная конспирология. В результате недовольны, либо вскоре будут недовольны все -- и бомжи, и олигархи. И каждый человек считает, что Путин играет на стороне всех остальных слоев, но только не на стороне слоя, к которому он, человек, принадлежит. В результате Путин не имеет обьективной картины реальности и получает звездюли от всех, предпочитая жить в иллюзии собственной богоизбранности и мученичества. А мы-то причем? Почему мы должны страдать из-за его иллюзорного единения с Богом и уверенности в том, что если не он, Путин, то кто?
        It all looks sad. Especially based on the fact that instead of multiplying the legacy inherited from the USSR, Putin trampled his fragments in the form of non-mining industry with frenzy. Thus, trampling what united the territory, guarded every kilometer of its border and rallied numerous disparate peoples into a single national organism, without protruding religious differences. Actually, already trampled. So loosened, broke the spike. This is totalitarianism. And what awaits us next?
  • Dmitry Potapov 11 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    Interestingly, he already began to build a mausoleum for himself? (One lies, and lies worthy! And this one himself decided that he was worthy)
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Interestingly, he already began to build a mausoleum for himself? (One lies, and lies worthy! And this one himself decided that he was worthy)


      Шойгу, храм на 10 тысяч человек строит в парке "Патриот".
      Там ему "усыпальницу" и устроят, возможно при жизни.
      / sarcasm / wassat
  • Far B 11 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    Of course, all these amendments are at the level of delirium, especially considering the batch voting. Most of the amendments are spelled out at the legislative level in various codes - if they were not executed, like the Laws, then with what fright will they be executed after they are introduced into the constitution? The goal is clear - to distract the attention with seemingly good and necessary amendments, to drag something of their own under the guise. Yesterday, Ms. Tereshkova noted the introduced and adopted amendment - as a result, the people will vote for it (if a miracle does not happen and the majority gets the option “against.” I do not believe in miracles, but I know that they happen)
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 March 2020 06: 17 New
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      Do not hesitate, even if 80% of voters vote against the amendments, voting will end with a result of 70% "for"
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        Yes, I also voiced such a secret number. But a miracle wanderer! laughing
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Do not hesitate, even if 80% of voters vote against the amendments, voting will end with a result of 70% "for"

        Pass in the election that 140 we can!
    2. Insurgent 11 March 2020 07: 21 New
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      all these corrections - at the level of delirium

      This nonsense for Russia may end badly.
      And because of what?
      Due to the inability of the authorities to ensure the continuity of the course, or because of the desire of someone to reign?

      Where is the correct answer?
      1. Far B 11 March 2020 07: 26 New
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        Due to the inability of the authorities to ensure the continuity of the course, or because of the desire of someone to reign? Where is the correct answer?
        But does one interfere with the other? Rather, on the contrary, the second follows from the first.
        1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 07: 41 New
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          But does one interfere with the other?

          This is such garbage it turns out:
          - In 2014, I was quite actively involved in anti-Maidan performances in Donetsk ...
          Что называется,всё происходившее в Киеве,"пропустил через себя". Но что врезалось особо в память ? Всего лишь стихотворение майданной дурочки-поэтессы: "We will never be brothers"...

          There are lines: " You have a Tsar, we have a democracy"

          The fact that it was fraught with democracy in Ukraine is a fact, but even until yesterday I could not even deliriously think that in Russia it is possible what they want to push through the Constitution.
          1. atalef 11 March 2020 08: 38 New
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            The fact that with democracy in Ukraine it has gone wrong is a fact

            Fact??
            Интересно , а каким там образом президенты меняются ?Почему депутаты Рады меняются как и фракции , там нет постоянной партии власти .
            У них таки демократия , жить в стране хреново , но по крайней мере выборы честные и они могут влиять.
            Bad, good, but Zelensky’s election may be an example, an example for you.
            If they do not have democracy (at least in the elections), then what do you have?
            Quote: Insurgent
            that in Russia it’s possible what they want to push through the Constitution.

            yes
            1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 08: 46 New
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              It’s interesting, how are the presidents changing there? Why are the deputies of the Rada changing like the factions

              Are changing yes but democracy, WHERE ? In the dominance of Natsik on the street?

              Video (fresh):



              Quote: atalef
              They still have democracy, it’s bad to live in the country, but at least the elections are fair and they can influence.


              Influenced laughing (we watch the same video, if it does not immediately reach).

              And yet, "in general" about the state of "civil society" ...

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                Are changing

                change - a fact.
                You’ll argue against the fact.
                In the dominance of Natsik on the street?

                Well, first of all - which side 7
                And secondly
                I’m in Kiev regularly (as in St. Petersburg by the way) - I haven’t seen Natsik there, but if you want, I’m pulling you a couple of hours about the Natsik from the Internet in Kiev, in St. Petersburg


                Quote: Insurgent
                And yet, "in general" about the state of "civil society" ..

                Я тебе завтра ещё 50 роликов найду на любые темы , включая

                but the question is not about that, but about the change of power and the ability of ordinary people to influence it.
                1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 09: 05 New
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                  change - a fact.
                  You’ll argue against the fact.

                  I will not trample no since 2014, the succession of power - nationalists are replaced by nationalists.
                  Quote: atalef
                  I didn’t see Natsik there

                  But the cunning guys cheated with the video ... But I believed that the minister, along with the right of radicals, went to clean Kiev from the "nationals" (in this case, the gypsies) ...

                  I need to apologize yes , and before the pan-minister and before the Natsiks.
                  How could i believe crying !!!
                  1. atalef 11 March 2020 12: 50 New
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                    since 2014, the succession of power - nationalists are replaced by nationalists.

                    Well, you call them that.
                    But since they are changing, that means the people want it. So it affects.
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Надо мне извиниться ,и перед паном министром и перед нациками.
                    How could i believe

                    не надо ни перед кем извиняться - я вам сейчас натягаю обещаний Путина не выполненных разумеется.
                    And of course, at the same time I will say that he is a pathological liar and a scoundrel (for deceiving the elderly)
                    Will there be any objection?
                    I think no.
                    so, do not go too far with definitions - Nazi - this word has an exact definition, otherwise you simply emasculate its essence and the tragedy that Nazism brought to humanity.
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                      well you call them that

                      And what do you call those who lead their political genealogy from the Bandera slaughtered Jews in Lviv?

                      Answer the rest no because UAV, UAV, UAV ...

                      And besides everything else, I do not idolize Putin, and when necessary, I openly talk about his schools and shortcomings.
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                        And what do you call those who lead their political genealogy from the Bandera slaughtered Jews in Lviv?

                        Many Jews who slaughtered, so I used to separate the grain from the chaff.
                        I often visit Kiev and Lviv. Everywhere I speak only in Russian, I don’t know Ukrainian and don’t understand from the word at all.
                        I have never encountered any antagonism anywhere.
                        Mother-in-law in Kiveve - Russian, as well as her numerous relatives - no one rots them and does not humiliate them.
                        Jewish President
                        The prime minister is a Jew.
                        Может нацики и бандеровцы только в ваших пришибленных головах ? Иначе как вы ещё объясните весь этот бардак ?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        На остальное отвечать ,ибо БЛА,БЛА,БЛА

                        There is simply nothing to say
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        And besides everything else, I do not idolize Putin, and when necessary, I openly talk about his shoals and shortcomings

                        What about Putin?
                        About your DNI and LC say.
                        Strange - it means Natsik and Bandera, and you - a ski fighter pricked up to Russia.
                        What ? Isn't the People's Republic sweet? wink
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                        Quote: atalef
                        What ? Isn't the People's Republic sweet?

                        We read the answer above. Ali see there, there is no?
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                        a lot of people were cutting, so I used to separate the grain from the chaff.

                        Melnikovtsy, this is a grain, Bandera-weaving, and SS Shukhevych, is this some kind of canoe?
                        Мудро-о-о ! А по-факту ведь - все нацистское дерьмо...
                        Or are you going to scrub every poop to see if a diamond is hiding there?
                        A connoisseur!
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                        Maybe Natsik and Bandera only in your bruised heads?

                        But this, already bestiality, bordering on an attempt to disavow what the nat.bats have done in the Donbass.

                        Would you go ... This time. And do not try to start a polemic with me anymore by wedging into my comments.
                        They are not for stupid, forgetting the past scum.
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                        We read the answer above. Ali see there, there is no?

                        Russian citizenship then why?
                        Одно из условий проживание на территории РФ ?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Melnikovtsy, this is a grain, Bandera-weaving, and SS Shukhevych, is this some kind of canoe?

                        So what ?
                        What is the relationship with today's Ukraine?
                        I calmly walk with the citizenship of Russia and Israel and speak Russian, the prime minister is a Jew, the president is a Jew --- both are elected (one in the parliament) the other for the presidency by popular vote - neither the lawyer, nor anyone else like Bandera - and it is they.
                        The right sector did not go anywhere through the elections .-- - the same fact.
                        So where are Bandera, Shukhevych? in your frostbitten heads if only.
                        Where?
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                        Wisely-oh-oh! But in fact - all the Nazi shit ...

                        Do you want to pull Natsik from the Internet from the Russian Federation or who fought with you in LDN?
                        the same Nazi shit, it is enough everywhere - you just need to distinguish between individual freaks, the real situation and state policy.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        But this, already bestiality, bordering on an attempt to disavow what the nat.bats have done in the Donbass.

                        I don’t know who did what, everyone there excelled, as in any war the Cossacks felt, and Givi with its okhlomons - sea videos.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Would you go ... this time

                        Why ? Nothing to answer?
                        Do you want to say the Cossacks did not cheat on the Donbass? The same nat.baty.
                        In general, none of this should have been.
                        Say thanks to Strelkov companions.
                        It would have been hard for themselves, but calmly, as in Ukraine.
                        In Lviv, by the way, it's cool. Service is just on top, prices are below the baseboard. Everything is beautiful, clean, tidy, benevolent - Bandera wink
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        They are not for stupid, forgotten past scum

                        The past, well, I remember that bastard, just not such a ram that would scratch everyone under one comb because of the past.
                        he probably ride a German wheelbarrow? wink
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                        Do you need to translate into Hebrew so that you understand that the conversation is over and they don’t want to communicate with you?
                        I just received a warning from the admin for a harsh answer to such a troll like you.
                        Two times in a row, will not. Therefore, fuck off in a good, do not force to act in a bad way.
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                        Do you need to translate into Hebrew so that you understand that the conversation is over and they don’t want to communicate with you?

                        translate of course, if you can, but you communicate.
                        If you weren’t angry, you'd better try to answer the facts that I bring to you. I didn’t peek at them on TV.
                        I am the one who twice or even thrice a year in Kiev, and went to Lviv - on the advice of friends. Lviv is generally a very popular route among the Israelis. At least there are no Russian speakers.
                        Next year we want to rent a house in the Carpathians for another week. Nice there.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        I just received a warning from the admin for a harsh answer to such a troll like you.

                        Перестань , я не тролю , я правду пишу и реальные вопросы. Скажи мне как нацисты и бандеровцы смогли всенародным голосованием избрать президента еврея ?
                        Otozh wink
                        Of course you can say that Zelensky is also a Nazi and a Bandera-but it seems to me that even cats will laugh at it.
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Therefore, fuck off in a good, do not force to act in a bad way.

                        But how bad is that? And for what ?
                        And for what?
                        For uncomfortable questions? Well, call me, we are not the amazing sides of the front. I am very sorry for you, it is a pity that you were dragged into an incomprehensible political game, fooled by propaganda.
                        It is a pity the second side, where the same sufficient number of thugs, also fooled by their propaganda.
                        It is a pity that you hate each other - although you are generally one people.
                        It is a pity for the huge number of dead and crippled fates and both sides are to blame.
                        Только уж извини , вы сепаратисты и по своей сути вы ничем не отличаетесь от сирийского Идлиба ( ну разве что головы не режете )
                        The same separatists supported by the type of ancestral home.
                        И как у тех нет будущего , так уж извини и у вас.Поматросят , потом добазарятся в каком то формате и обнулят -- Путин это умеет.
  • Tank hard 11 March 2020 07: 56 New
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    Where is the correct answer?

    Read a couple of books at your leisure:
    "Rat Tower" Pavel Darts
    Marauder by Berkem al Atomi
    And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become. wink
    1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 07: 59 New
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      Quote: Tank Hard
      And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become.

      For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good...
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        Quote: Insurgent
        For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good..

        Then what is your concern about amendments to the constitution of the Russian Federation?
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          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: Insurgent
          For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. Things are good..

          Then what is your experience?

          In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.
          True, we have more than enough of our own, but in fact, the worse the situation in the Russian Federation, the more difficult it is for us ...
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            In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.

            And what will change specifically for you if amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted or not?
          2. Golovan Jack 11 March 2020 08: 18 New
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            True, we have more than enough of our own, but in fact, the worse the situation in the Russian Federation, the more difficult it is for us ...

            Very reminiscent of a song under the nickname "Observer 2014". Only he already dumped from the Donbass, and you, according to legend, are still there.
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            2. Ingvar 72 11 March 2020 11: 32 New
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              Very reminiscent of a song under the nickname "Observer 2014"

              And you are very reminiscent of the character "Cat Manul." The same comments, not inspired by intellect and connection with the topic. wassat
          3. atalef 11 March 2020 08: 58 New
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            In addition, I applied for a passport of the Russian Federation, and what happens is not a problem for me.

            so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against? sad
            1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 09: 29 New
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              so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against?

              I am for Russia. Rulers come and go, Russia remains.
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                Quote: Insurgent
                Quote: atalef
                so it’s not clear, are you for Putin or against?

                I am for Russia. Rulers come and go, Russia remains.

                Why not for the DNI or LC?
                You seem to be deserting from there? wink
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                  Why not for the DNI or LC?
                  You seem to be deserting from there?

                  We migrate to Russia, together with the territory fellow wink tongue
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        For me, reality is a war in the DPR and neighboring LPR. All is well

        request
    2. Golovan Jack 11 March 2020 08: 20 New
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      Quote: Tank Hard
      Read a couple of books at your leisure:
      "Rat Tower" Pavel Darts
      Marauder by Berkem al Atomi

      Marauder is better.

      Quote: Tank Hard
      And you will understand that everything is good, in comparison with what reality can become.

      Tank, "Pepsi generation" to explain this to no purpose. You and I have clearly demonstrated this in the 90s, to them, Unfortunately - No request
      1. Tank hard 11 March 2020 08: 23 New
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        Tank, "Pepsi generation" to explain this to no purpose. You and I have clearly demonstrated this in the 90s, unfortunately, they don’t

        I also felt on myself, I did not like it sharply, therefore I am so careful in political criticism, because it is not a fact that the changes will be for the better. hi
        1. Golovan Jack 11 March 2020 08: 28 New
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          I also felt on myself, I did not like it sharply

          Similarly. Jumping prices - at times, lack of salary - for months ... if there is work request

          Nubynafig such changes yes
        2. Gardamir 11 March 2020 09: 26 New
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          Whether you like changes or not, you will have to leave the “comfort zone”. Otherwise, you will be taken out without asking you.
          1. Tank hard 11 March 2020 10: 49 New
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            Whether you like changes or not, you will have to leave the “comfort zone”. Otherwise, you will be taken out without asking you.

            Judging by your posts, it’s you in the comfort zone, if something happens, it will lead you out. wink And I have already been in various situations, unlike people like you, I already know what I will do. wink
            1. Gardamir 11 March 2020 11: 44 New
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              So what am I? So what are you going to do?
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                So what am I?

                Well, this one, the “shaker of the basics,” the “petrel of revolution,” and so on ... wink
                Quote: Gardamir
                So what are you going to do?

                In this case, laugh on. laughing
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        Marauder is better.

        The tower also entered, with a bang. Most importantly, both to help the thinking person. hi
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  • bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    When there are no real economic achievements, when the standard of living is such that it’s barely enough for the most necessary things, and you have to give up a lot, there is no point in shaking up the Constitution. This is a profanation of political activity. negative
    From a change in her words, our life will not get better. But we have a choice - whether or not to approve these amendments, choose the GDP again or refuse its services. what
  • apro 11 March 2020 06: 08 New
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    Никакая конституция не сожет гарантировать свободу гражданина без экономической основы.но сегодня в конституции об основе экономической как то не понятно.недра не принадлежат гражданам.нет общегосударственной собственности.нет примата внутреннего права над внешним.
  • samarin1969 11 March 2020 06: 11 New
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    God, traditions, children, family are holy things. Only use them to sacralize power. So it was with the Pharaohs ... so that the people would believe.
    It remains to wait for the large pyramids.
    1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 06: 54 New
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      It remains to wait for the large pyramids.

      Comrade, what about the project of the phalloid rocket under the sawmill office? Why aren't you a pyramid?
  • Old partisan 11 March 2020 06: 29 New
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    Эта власть изжила себя. Страна в глухом тупике. Нет ни промышленности ни инженеров ни рабочих. А главное нет желания что то развивать. " у нас за кремлёвской стеной и так все хорошо "
    1. Andrey VOV 11 March 2020 06: 34 New
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      I do not agree, there are workers and engineers, only reduced to a position below the plinth, and now all office plankton is held in high esteem
  • Andrey VOV 11 March 2020 06: 33 New
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    Roman, it could have been much shorter without spreading over the tree, I am against amendments because they will not lead to real changes in the life of a simple person and I’ll go to the site and check the box, that's all, that’s your main idea, clear, understandable. And I agree that it’s not good to keep people for fools, but for some deputies, despite all their merits, it's time to rest.
  • Ryaruav 11 March 2020 06: 35 New
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    gundyaev soon ebna to the rank of saints will introduce for the saints the 90s and they wanted to give a damn about the opinion of the people there, especially if half of the population of Russia are like blind kutyats for Putin, although recent events do not smell like stability for Russia
    1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 06: 53 New
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      gundyaev soon ebna to the rank of saints will introduce for the saints the 90s and they wanted to give a damn about the opinion of the people there, especially if half of the population of Russia are like blind kutyats for Putin, although recent events do not smell like stability for Russia

      My dream is for the receiver to report to the boss.
      "Ночь оторвала и пушистый хвост у Бегемота, содрала с него шерсть и расшвыряла ее клочья по болотам. Тот, кто был котом, потешавшим князя тьмы, теперь оказался худеньким юношей, демоном-пажом, лучшим шутом, какой существовал когда-либо в мире. Теперь притих и он и летел беззвучно, подставив свое молодое лицо под свет, льющийся от луны.

      Сбоку всех летел, блистая сталью доспехов, Азазелло. Луна изменила и его лицо. Исчез бесследно нелепый безобразный клык, и кривоглазие оказалось фальшивым. Оба глаза Азазелло были одинаковые, пустые и черные, а лицо белое и холодное. Теперь Азазелло летел в своем настоящем виде, как демон безводной пустыни, демон-убийца." М. Булгаков.
  • New Year day 11 March 2020 06: 36 New
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    Let's wait, of course. We will see

    Quote: bessmertniy
    when the standard of living is such that it’s barely enough for the most necessary, and you have to give up a lot, there’s no point in shaking up the Constitution.


    laughing
  • igorra 11 March 2020 06: 37 New
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    Roman, except God, has no other problems, but the fact that the deputies did not amend the foreign property and, in fact, work for anyone, but not for the voters? Why should Gundyaev be surprised, the church is collecting money, and only certain true-believing priests are calling to God, and the patriarch is also a fellow in history. In the Russian Empire, the church also merged with power in the matter of plundering the people, that when the militant atheists began to demolish the church, no one stood up for defense. The Bolsheviks, who are so unloved by Putin (I’m not talking about the late Communists and modern renegades), can’t take away what they tried not to lie, because the current government, and kept their word, unlike Putin, the heir did not go far from Yeltsin , he had time to dismantle the rails and cut the tram into metal. The idea is simple - to amend, with amendments, all this thieves' cattle, headed by their guarantor.
    1. Malyuta 11 March 2020 06: 46 New
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      The idea is simple - to amend, with amendments, all this thieves' cattle, headed by their guarantor.

      Это точно, кому голосовалки , а кому День Рождения Ленина! Я лично в этом клоунском шоу принимать участия не собираюсь.30-ть лет я ходил и голосовал против этой власти, а теперь всё , ребята, харе, чё то обрыдло быть электоратом, пойду в народ.
      1. Chervonny 11 March 2020 07: 20 New
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        I personally am not going to take part in this clown show.

        I will go and take part. Vote against. I will celebrate the birthday of grandfather Lenin. And then, after calculating the results, which, as they say, are already known and if they coincide, I’ll probably forget the election completely ...
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          Quote: Red

          I will go and take part. Vote against. I will celebrate the birthday of grandfather Lenin. And then, after calculating the results, which, as they say, are already known and if they coincide, I’ll probably forget the election completely ...

          I didn’t want to go .. but I’ll go the last time. and yes ... against.
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          Quote: Red
          I will go and take part. Vote against.

          Quote: Aerodrome
          I didn’t want to go .. but I’ll go the last time. and yes ... against.

          Напрасно ребята вы будете ноги бить, наблюдателей не будет и ничего вы не подсчитате, от слова НИКАК!!!
          От вас только и ждут, чтобы вы появились, им явка до зарезу нужна. Но воля ваша , делайте , как здравый смысл и совесть подсказывает. hi
          1. balunn 11 March 2020 11: 09 New
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            unfortunately there will again be rallies, riot police, batons, glasses, courts and dates ...... sad
          2. Monster_Fat 11 March 2020 11: 10 New
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            Да можно не сомневаться процент проголосовавших "за" будет "нужным" не зависимо от явки и от реальных "ответов". Вот интересно, почему в "поправках" россияне не увидят-главы об: ответственности президента за свои обещания, о приравненности преступлений совершенных госчиновниками и правохранителями к государственным преступлениям так, как такие преступления дискредитируют власть в стране и подрывают основы социальной справедливости, об ответственности избранных перед избирателями-обязательности создания системы и механизма отзыва избранных депутатов если они не выполняют взятые на себя обязательства и дискредитирую себя своим поведением и пр. Зато есть мишура о Боге, "патриотизме", "памяти героев", "исторической приемственности", лозунги (без механизма осуществления) о "равноправии", "социальной справедливости" и пр. словесные, ничего не значащие и ни на что не влияющие "заманки-красивости". .
    2. Oleg Zorin_2 15 March 2020 13: 20 New
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      I think Roman has other problems. They are indicated in the article, but not disclosed. Beware of the novel. And so surprised that the article generally came out in. At present, "universal approval" is an act.
  • Nick Russ 11 March 2020 06: 38 New
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    ,, Speech is mad in his heart: God be.

    Thank God that the people are smarter than many clever people!
  • Ross xnumx 11 March 2020 06: 46 New
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    Who and for whom will change the Constitution

    An idle question. Naturally, the deputies of the State Duma. Those who accepted the amendments before; those who adopted pension reform claimed VAT, a minimum wage, a living wage and their own salary.
    Not for anyone, but for whom ... Or did someone have a drop of confidence that the “Russian guarantor" is a completely independent person, independent in decision-making? wassat
    A pathetic attempt to “zombie” the people and make them believe in the parable of the “good king” and “bad boyars”, the fairy-tale president and mediocre government, a tough guarantor and an “incorrect” constitution.
    By the way, the constitution is written in Western patterns and life has already shown that what is written in it is not guaranteed by anyone. Moreover, now they want no one to bear responsibility for the “guarantee obligations”.
    We need to go and vote against these amendments - let this Trishkin Kaftan remain until the re-election of the authorities, because there is no sense in it anyway, as well as from all these “grandiose reforms” that arise from the ring of the dog’s chain ... Or the dog’s constitution? belay
  • sagitch 11 March 2020 07: 00 New
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    The ban on foreign ownership of real estate was not included in the draft amendments to the Constitution, since most officials and deputies would have to resign. Vedomosti was told about this by sources in the presidential administration and the State Duma.
    Amendments to the ban on foreign real estate were introduced by deputies Nikolai Arefyev (Communist Party faction) and Konstantin Slyshchenko (United Russia), but were rejected.

    “Officials recaptured their foreign real estate, who would doubt it,” wrote Ksenia Sobchak on her blog, adding that the “amendment chief” Senator Klishas has a house and a plot in Switzerland.

    I believe that the above-mentioned amendment is simply vital for our country. And those who have it (real estate abroad), let them look for another job, abroad.
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      Well, and how then not to trust Ilyich? Seriously, if without fanaticism, without all that nonsense there. Just real things ... It seems to me people will catch up. And yes, there must be confiscation, and the work of the whole family of "effective" managers somewhere in the north, for life.
  • parusnik 11 March 2020 07: 04 New
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    But what about atheists who do not believe in God? What about people who have not yet decided? What about people who believe in "higher powers"?
    ... What to do, how to be? .. At the stake, Eritiks ... And if from this you can also make talk shows with advertising ... from the interview ... you can earn so much money, again, new, fresh .. Smoke from the fire ... laughing
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      Quote: parusnik
      And what about atheists

      Quote: parusnik
      . How to be, how to be? .. At the stake, heretics.

      I’ll come with my firewood. It’s more pleasant to burn on my own.
  • Odysseus 11 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    A very bold article. The author accurately identified the key question that arose after yesterday's show - what for ?
    Actually, the questions about the reasons for such an early (just a year after the election) change in the political system and even the Constitution were asked back in January. It was clearly clear that the point was to extend the powers of Putin and K. But why change the Constitution?
    1) As long as there was an option with the Union State “on the board” everything seemed to be clear. Here the Constitution really needs to be changed.
    2) With the State Council is already more difficult. Here we enter the field of conspiracy theology. Different versions have been put forward. For example, that Putin just feels bad and needs an operation, hence the need for a certain authority specially for him. Or that with a decreasing "pie" inside the country and pressure from the West, it is necessary to divide the property of several power clans, and, moreover, to remove Putin from the current agenda and criticism, making him a kind of overbearing decisive. Plus, also observe the semblance of the law. For 20 years I steered and it’s fast . Everything is democratic and replaceable - you have a new President. Well, the rest of the amendments are just a smokescreen.
    3) А вот после вчерашнего "обнуления" все совсем запуталось. К чему тогда был весь этот цирк с конями,бесплатными завтраками и Богами ? Если речь идет просто о бессрочном правлении можно было спокойно дожить до 2023 года, а потом "по просьбам трудящихся" убрать ограничение по срокам выборов.При монополии на СМИ и отсутствии реальной оппозиции сделать это ни стоило никакого труда.
    It remains only to speculate. Perhaps they wanted to crank up the idea with the State Council, but something went wrong with them.
    The worst thing is if they, like the Tsar’s administration at the beginning of 1917, simply lost contact with reality and their right hand does not know what the left is doing.
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      Yeah. You saw it on Tereshkova’s trebuchen, to be honest, I thought that she had the last breath. Honestly people did not understand what he was reading there, and why?
  • rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    Today, almost every part has a church. Naturally, Orthodox. And you have every right to send your religious demands, if you are Orthodox.
    And if you are a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, these are your problems.

    Make multi-chaplains in the army !!! Each religion has its HOUR or two !!! like in Harrison’s fun, grotesque book, Bill Hero of the Galaxy!
    On a citizen the same thing, one TV channel for all concessions, divided by the clock!
    if we take into account the fact that Putin is ending his fourth and (seemingly not sure) last term, and the ratings of United Russia, the government and Putin himself resemble the ruble against the euro and the dollar, then there are fewer questions.

    But who, if not OH ??? soldier
    The choice without a choice, such as Putin or Sobchak. Vote or ...

    IN, in, about ....
    Against pension reform, how many were against? Also, I think, not less than 90%. Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted.

    This is just understandable, I AGREE!
    While we will "grow fat".
    The main thing is not to stretch our legs while we grow. And tithe doesn’t really want to pay.

    Yes, now essentially become .... but NOTHING !!! Including because there is none.
    I went to study the Constitution, then I will have to take up the amendments!
    1. fk7777777 11 March 2020 07: 45 New
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      It’s scary what they’re doing ...
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        It’s scary what they’re doing ...

        And what fundamentally can change? The rich remain rich and not at all controlled by society ... but they always agree with the upper, their own no matter how.
  • Nait 11 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    I don’t understand that you are attached to the mention of God?
    In the US, they write about him for money .... and they live quite well, a completely secular state.
    They even have a school of military priests.
    The US Armed Forces Archdiocese is led by an archbishop who is assisted by several auxiliary bishops. They are subject to priests serving as chaplains in the US armed forces.

    Я воспринимаю эти поправки НЕ как способ продлить полномочия Путина.
    Rather, it is a side effect.
    The main thing is to prevent the new Gorbachev and Yeltsin to power.
    Не допустить, а если уж они прорвались, чтобы конституция ограничивала им действия.

    Например, планировались поправки, запрещающие даже обсуждение возможности нарушения территориальной целостности России, чтобы не было той мины, которая была в
    Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
    Is it bad?
    Yes, just for this you need to take them.

    Or the mention of the Russian people-you really do not care?
    After all, Russians still do not have their own subjectivity, for example,
    еще недавно нельзя было славянскому ребенку отказаться от изучения
    Tatar for example, if managed to live there.
    Принятие такой поправки ставит местных националистов на место.

    Further, about property abroad - were people banned from having dual citizenship?
    Prohibiting property is too much.
    Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?
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      Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?

      because a person cannot, he is not a deputy, he does not have such money. and those who bought can be planted without investigation.
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        Come on, a house in Bulgaria is not such a luxury.
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      Quote: Nait
      even prohibiting discussion of the possibility of violating the territorial integrity of Russia, so that there wouldn’t be the mine that was in
      Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
      Is it bad?

      Poorly. And why do we need republics if people of other nationalities cannot be lured there?
      Quote: Nait
      Prohibiting property is too much.
      Why can't a person buy a house in Bulgaria?

      Get away with the civil service, then buy at least a house in Bulgaria, at least a plywood booth in India.
  • Unknown 11 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    хрен редьки не слаще. многие, и я в том числе ,голосовали против этой, так называемой ,,конституции,, созданной, под правление ельцина. меня лично устраивала и конституция РФСР - но народ,, одобрил,,. теперь делают конституцию под путина . пускай, флаг им в руки. не голосовал в 1993 году, не буду и 2020 году .это не мой основной закон.
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      this is not my basic law.

      But we must obey him.
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        вот так всегда , не голосовал, но обязан, и всё тут. а ведь миллионы людей, были против ельцинского, основного закона , а как же их мнение? ну да ладно с этим законом, ну вот что мне скажите, почему те кто писал, при ельцине, этот основной закон, сами то его и не соблюдают? чего же требовать от меня , если я голосовал против?
  • Sotskiy 11 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    ... Nothing, Putin had no other choice, as he himself said. It is necessary. Accepted ...

    Oh. Something that reminds me. lol : "Vote do not vote, you’ll get anyway ... repeat ".
    Помнится были уже "выборы" без выбора для народонаселения - референдум в 1991-м, а потом в 1993-м... Но тогда это хоть референдумом называлось, сейчас просто хотелки свиты нужно узаконить за счет "второй нефти". Непонятно только одно, зачем им народ, они и без него неплохо справлялись все это время с "законотворчеством".
  • fk7777777 11 March 2020 07: 40 New
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    I don’t even know honestly what to say. In general, if we consider the situation from an economic point of view, then there is a kind of “collective” “Putin.” So to say, the main clan, but all the types are “supporting” the rest, which, in the shade, they stir up the water. If you carefully begin to consider each separately , a lot will begin to become clear, for example, Sechin, general of the FSB, etc., and the main one in what rank? Correct colonel, ... I won’t be surprised that they themselves arranged this whole channel with the collapse of the Union, endless civilian, criminal wars, all in order to take power, to snatch a piece of oneself, for example, why doesn’t the question of the treasury of the USSR come up, eh? Where did the money of the whole nation run out? is it just a robbery with the physical liquidation of the owner? And the owner, this is all our people.
  • Boris55 11 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    I ran over the comments. The people care about two problems: God and term.

    On the first. "God is alone, religion is darkness".
    Whoever does not know, the supermundane entity, called differently in different cultures - God, Allah, Buddha, etc., exists. Almost every one of us every minute feels His presence through shame and conscience. People who have no shame or conscience lose touch with God and no matter how much money they bring to the bearded middlemen in black robes, shame and conscience will not increase ... So, mentioning God as a supramundane entity in the Constitution does not the rights of the Russian Orthodox Church to be the only mediators between us and God. The people speak not against God, but against the Russian Orthodox Church, but in the Constitution there is no mention of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    So all these indignation is empty and they pursue only one goal: to prevent voters from voting by ballot box. Who benefits from this? Those who are perfectly settled in 1993 and they definitely do not need to change anything.

    On the second. "For beaten - they give two not beaten".
    Everyone who suggests that Putin would be forever at the helm seems to avenge his retirement reform, like you have extended our retirement period and we will extend it to you indefinitely. This is a joke.

    Putin will no longer qualify for the presidency. This is his last term in this position, but I am fussing, both here and abroad, about finding a receiver and the inexpediency of doing business with the outgoing, which negatively affect the economy of our country and us as a whole, and the closer to the elections, the it will be felt more strongly, but providing such an opportunity to the present, many problems, both abroad and domestically, will be removed, which will certainly have a beneficial effect on our lives.

    Today is the third reading. Let's see in what final form it will be accepted ...
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      This is his last term in this position, but I am fussing, both here and abroad, about finding a receiver and the inexpediency of doing business with the outgoing, which negatively affects the economy of our country and us as a whole

      So after all, he arranged fuss, saying that it was for zeroing, if the COP did not mind. Who pulled his tongue?
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        So after all, he arranged fuss

        The media began to talk about who will be his successor, and not just ours, right after his last election. Everything else is a consequence. Zeroing, CS - this is how this drug is for those who have Sverbet:

  • Esaul 11 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    The Chekist past taught Putin a very clever way to powder people’s nose and fool their heads with empty and false promises. And many still believe him, but I hope the number of such gullibles is already less than 30%.
  • Nix1986 11 March 2020 08: 50 New
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    “The closer the collapse of the empire is, the more insane its laws are,” the famous phrase, in relation to the initiative of Tereshkova, I think to the point.
  • About 2 11 March 2020 08: 55 New
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    Vladimir Vladimirovich, a bot who has no more faith. All he wants and the oligarchs standing behind him is that he would sit on the presidency until his natural demise comes and they carry him forward from the Kremlin.
  • polk26l 11 March 2020 09: 16 New
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    Почитаешь большинство комментов, к вражеской статье "Скомороха" и страшно делается, сколько же уже, оболваненных "Иванов - родства не помнящих", подготовленных американским дядей Сэмом, развелось на Руси!!!? Пора уже заняться чисткой и перевоспитанием этих "скоморохов"!!! Пришло время!!! И интересно! , почему " ВО", на своих страницах, даёт возможность подобным "скоморохам" и иже с ними, оболванивать народ!?
    1. dirk182 13 March 2020 11: 28 New
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      probably by analogy with buffoons in Cossack uniforms and with whips) You are not one of them by chance?
      It's time to clean up and re-educate these "buffoons" !!! The time has come!!!
      Well, get up off the couch for a start, show your daring
  • lopuhan2006 11 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    Oh author! Well written! Here we’ll adopt the constitution and then you’ll go to develop logging!
  • prior 11 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    Instead of amending the constitution, the patriarch should amend the Old Law, the Gospel, and other church Bibles .... Outdated, however, do not correspond to the political moment.
    After all, the 21st century on Earth, man flies into space every day,
    and all these - "exalt in heaven ..."
  • Radikal 11 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    Sharia is not our tradition! Nevertheless, according to Sharia law, Saudi Arabia lives and, you know, it lives perfectly! And in our blood Orthodox authoritarianism. In the difficult year of the Great Patriotic War, Joseph Vissarionovich, among other things, turned to someone - the Church, history, reviving the cults of ancient heroes and powerful rulers: Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov .... And everything fell into place - because it was to the people he turned to his roots, to that mighty dark folk power coming from pokon centuries, thirsty, including a strong ruler .... and after that the fascist rolled back from Moscow! Then the country was raised from ruins, etc.
    And with the so-called Western democracy, the scammers and scammers will always be at the helm - because they invented it for themselves! Democracy never happened - it’s just the fantasies and inventions of the ancient Greeks, who successfully used cunning Anglo-Saxons, covering their colonial atrocities and the slave trade, and then planted the whole world on it - and we opened our mouths! Our system is authoritarianism and no nails - we are not Luxembourg, but the Russian Empire - the center of the Slavic and Orthodox culture of the world! Pink snot is needed only by clowns - such as Ukraine - it is like a democracy, only the country is run from the State Department! Even Germany is controlled from the State Department! Rather, from Walt Street - this is what democracy is for! And they hung noodles on your ears - elections, the Constitution, freedom of speech ... - and went the national wealth of Russia to the West, and the Russian people in one place!

    If people have the same mess in your head as you do - unfortunately, any amendments will take place, any constitution, even if it incorporates the ideology of national socialism! sad
  • AAK
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    M-yes! Everything is weirder and weirder .... Let's start with the motto "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality", then - fines or a term with confiscation for non-payment of "tithing" and "for insulting greatness", and there you can hand it over to the Inquisition with bonfires and chopping blocks with axes on the frontal place ... "... serfdom is guaranteed employment and confidence in the future .."
  • Felix Chuykov 11 March 2020 10: 27 New
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    Power to the Soviets! Peace to the nations!

    Shameless filth,
    Serf foolishness
    A rambling disgusting
    Creeping unity
    Soviet glory theft,
    Salary sale,
    Obscene laws
    Slobbering icons
    Inflation, requisitions,
    Empty talk
    Formats, meetings,
    Slavic farewells
    From puppet traditions
    Fools of the opposition
    Excises on the steps
    And the herd on his knees ...
    Where can I get the strength for this? ..
    War is coming, morons!
    She is already open
    Goes for sales markets!
    It’s not appropriate to put up
    With the atrocity of capital!
    It's time not to wait for salvation
    And take the reins!
    Not a rally, not a cry
    Not a profile picture with a nickname!
    And the awakening of light
    People's Council!

    Felix Chuykov

    11 March 2020 year
  • CBR600 11 March 2020 11: 19 New
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    Once I was proud of our country. He only asked questions that he did not receive answers to. Grew up, the Internet appeared and with it the answers to my questions. How wrong I was with my pride and naivety. I am ashamed. For myself, for my naivety.
    __ If someone writes this, it’s more a PR than an analytics.
  • Nait 11 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    Reading articles and especially comments here,
    more and more often I find myself thinking - and am I not the censor?
    Неужели вы не видите жизненно важных поправок?
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      Let's separate the vital from the rest and vote for them, don’t ..? Apparently nothing ..
  • 1536 11 March 2020 11: 35 New
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    I like the amendments to the Constitution! The point is not how many years have passed since the adoption of the previous Constitution, but that this very constitution did not include what today must be included, without which it is difficult today.
    В США, например, 27 поправок к Конституции. Последняя была принята 14 сентября 1962 года, и определяет "Запрет ограничения избирательных прав по основаниям неуплаты налога". Мелочь, а приятно, что даже если ты не лучший гражданин, то всё равно имеешь право голоса.
    And to sit with your own water and wait for the decisions of the court of some “Netherlands states”, sniffed or gorged tulips, or, worse, an attack of brutal fascists at the border, of course you can, but nothing good will come of it. You can still "walk" the streets, getting on the nerves of fellow citizens, and grind all the nonsense that Russia, for example, is the "culprit of the Second" World War, and at the same time the first, as well as the death of the Roman Empire and the death of Alexander the Great - to the heap. And that one must repent, etc. Yes, repent, who's stopping you? Only others do not fool.
    I would introduce, as an amendment, the responsibility for such comparisons and statements about the Second World War and the role of Soviet Russia in this war and the post-war world. And if people don’t understand that they don’t need to go to the red light on the road, that this is dangerous, then they also need to write this in the constitution. Why not?
    1. dirk182 13 March 2020 11: 32 New
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      The constitution should not be a dump! There is nothing to insert any nonsense there. We do not comply with what is in force. And they want to throw there even before the pile. Only blind and deaf, but the one that "soldered" does not understand the essence of all these amendments.
    2. Oleg Zorin_2 15 March 2020 13: 31 New
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      This is not enough. It must be made that the sandwich must be with cheese and sausage. And eat it with sausage up. laughing
  • Nait 11 March 2020 11: 38 New
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    For example, amendments were planned prohibiting even discussion of the possibility of violating the territorial integrity of Russia so that there would not be the mine that was in
    Union constitutions - the right of republics to exit - and they fled as soon as the reins weakened.
    Is it bad?
    Yes, just for this you need to take them.

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    Poorly. And why do we need republics if people of other nationalities cannot be lured there?

    Well, the union ran away - and something Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Azerbaijanis, Armenians - somehow
    not bloomed from the word at all.
    Appreciate what is.
    In the 90s, we also yelled Choi’s songs and waited for changes.
    Yeah, wait.
    Сейчас очень похожие времена по настрою, хотя люди живут гораздо лучше,
    than in the 90th.
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    Get away with the civil service, then buy at least a house in Bulgaria, at least a plywood booth in India.

    Кстати, может еще и запретят иметь имущество....
  • General D 11 March 2020 11: 38 New
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    With the adoption of the amendment on the Russian language and state-forming people, the Russian will only get worse. For on paper one thing, but in life another. The Russians have the least rights and freedoms, the least places from where they can consolidate and speak openly about their problems. A simple envy from the so-called national minorities will play in the opposite direction. Russians will become even more pressured and oppressed.
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  • Nait 11 March 2020 11: 44 New
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    A simple envy from the so-called national minorities will play in the opposite direction. Russians will become even more pressured and oppressed.

    They will no longer.
    They have their own constitutions, their own state. languages, presidents, and Slavs everywhere on
    bird rights.
    Gradually, everything will fall into place.
    Разрешили же детям не татарам в Татарстане не учить татарский?
    About 10 years ago, they were afraid to raise this issue.
    And having a constitution behind it will be easier to shut up local nationalists,
    who continue to sit on Obkomov’s grants and are just waiting for the moment,
    to open the mitt.

    83% of Russians in the country live as guests in their own land.

  • kriten 11 March 2020 11: 51 New
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    What tinsel to discuss when everything is conceived only for the sake of one amendment .... The rest is noodles on the ears ...
  • Seld 11 March 2020 12: 19 New
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    Хорошие мысли. Не столь и часто встречаешь подобное на этом сайте. Трудно что-то добавить. Вообще, хотя.... рискну:...
    Конституция - действительно Закон. Причём, в том виде, как его хотят видоизменить, - закон с конкретикой (к слову, можно вполне все фед.законы с подзаконными актами и поправками включить в конституцию вместе с завтраками и гос.думу разогнать за ненадобностью; а в случае попроавок - голосовать всем миром; с предоставлением нерабочих дней).
    And if we have the Law, we would also like to see something that would determine the executors of the Law, as well as the “fines” to the executors for its failure to comply. You can even with the specifics: this Clause of the Constitution did not (well, there, drove a rotten breakfast to school, for example) - "10 years in a kolyma". "I blasphemed - castration for life."
    Any law, by the way, makes sense only if it is meant to be literally executed by specific performers with a penalty for non-fulfillment for specific performers.
    Otherwise, mmmm ... if the punishment for non-fulfillment is not implied, I propose to write also: “We strive to fly to Alpha Centauri with all our might”, “We will do our best to invent the eternal mover”, “Cancel the square of the circle!”, “Down with of all reptiles and long live the empirical transcendental cognitive dissonance from the point of view of banal weaponry! "," Amen! "," Amen! " In my opinion, it sounds.
    I noticed for myself a long time ago: as soon as an athlete with an astronaut begins to deal with (higher) legal issues, wait for the enchanting cosmic somersaults.
    Yours!
    PS Nobody was tired of NON-PROFESSIONALISM from NON-Professional in NON-business?
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      The constitution should be concise, concise and understandable to everyone. Like the 10 commandments of Christ.
  • Knell wardenheart 11 March 2020 12: 24 New
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    В Африке был такой "стержень" нации, Африканский лев, отец народа итд итп.. Роберт Мугабе - прошу любить и жаловать.. Когда то свежий и энергичный человек , правил страной 30 лет ,декларируя это теми же вещами -мол сейчас обрастем жирком и я уйду. А пока мол все ПРОСТО ХОРОШО но вот впереди -рывок, скачок,бросок и все будет в шоколаде. В итоге Зимбабве побила все мыслимые рекорды по денежной инфляции , и там в ходу сотни триллионов Зимбабвийских долларов.
    Of course, you can not compare us with such a progressive country .. or is it possible? Because our population at 5+ comes in with the same tricks that Robert Mugabe entertained.
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    The president of such a huge country as Russia is a piece of goods, and if you recall the history, then there were practically no leaders whom the people unambiguously and unanimously supported. What is the use of presidents changing in Ukraine, like gloves, such as Putin does not and will not, of course, each incumbent president should think about a change of power and his successor. The author has reduced everything to only two amendments - about God and about zeroing the deadlines, but Putin is still under the leadership until 2024 and in the "lame duck" position is difficult to do, is there any point in resetting the deadlines? Well, who will solve long-term issues with the president, who is definitely leaving? So there should be a prospect of being re-elected, and whether Putin will run for a new term or not, we don’t know, and in any case we will vote for the presidential candidates in 2024, so I don’t understand what the cheese is. ??
  • Xoyuschka 11 March 2020 12: 54 New
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    Leberashni complete author
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    Quote: atalef
    What is the connection with today's Ukraine? I calmly walk with the citizenship of Russia and Israel and speak Russian, the prime minister is a Jew, the president is a Jew

    The outskirts of state celebrations adopted by the Verkhovna Rada and signed by Monica Zelensky are entirely in memory of the wide SS men. It turns out that the outskirts of the authorities are in fact Zhidobandera (copyright from Kolomoisky).

    С нациками всех сортов говна на Окраине безусловно разберутся, но вот после в обязательном порядке приступят к разбору с нациками с российско-израильскими паспортами.

    Another thing is more interesting - the outskirts of the Jews clearly beat their ancestors on the Holocaust on the outskirts with the hands of local Bandera. Masochism is growing stronger.
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    I was calm about the Brezhnev Constitution. Why flutter when everyone decides for you. Why will there be an election? This is just the money spent.
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      Have you ever chosen a wife for yourself? Or has this question been decided for you? Sometimes you are surprised at someone like you, meekly perceiving everything that happens. How convenient it is to have such a spineless electorate.
  • Nait 11 March 2020 14: 46 New
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    Or take a mention of compatriots - is this wrong?
    Now, not only in Ukraine, nationalism understands the head.
    В Киргизии, Казахстане идут те же процессы, только с присущей востоку хитрожопостью.

    Read about the Dungan riots in Kazakhstan, the Russian media about
    they don’t say this, apparently they don’t want to spoil the relationship:
    https://camonitor.kz/34332-uroki-kordaya-vlast-rk-svoimi-ocenkami-lish-usilivaet-strahi-nekazahov.html

    20 million Russians (and not only) remained overboard Russia.
    At one time, the Empire (Russian, Soviet) sent its people to the rise of the outskirts,
    на военную службу, и тут вдруг они все стали иностранцами.
    Germans, Jews, Kazakhs have non-haemorrhagic repatriation programs,
    why does Russia not have it?

    They made a resettlement program - but not everything is simple there either.
    Должны просто давать гражданство славянам на территории СНГ просто по заявлению
    at the Embassy. This should be done without requiring a withdrawal from current citizenship,
    because moving, finding a job, buying an apartment ... - it all takes time.

    Сейчас по факту, в вопросе получения гражданства, славяне приравнены немцам, таджикам, ...
    1. depressant 11 March 2020 16: 20 New
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      Коллега Nait, мой плюс Вам! Могла бы, поставила +1000. Сколько еще обездоленных русских проживает на территории России нелегально -- с 1992 года! Тихие, скромные, трудолюбивые, абсолютно не криминальные люди, они бежали от ужаса -- без документов, либо с неправильно оформленными по злому умыслу "государствообразующих местных", не смея вернуться, чтоб переоформить верно. А тут, на русской земле, на каждом углу их до сих поджидает не меньший ужас в полицейской форме. И никто из несчастных давно не решается обратиться в органы русской власти -- опыт есть, везде посылают, штрафуют и даже сажают. И некому вступиться! Путин, являясь русским, ненавидит русских, не упуская возможность демонстрировать к нам свое презрение и свою ненависть при каждом удобном случае. Подобно ему действуют и окармляемые им органы власти по отношению к моей нации. Путин -- не президент русских людей, он чужой, он жесткий русофоб, воспитанный в таком духе годами жизни в Германии. Жалкая поправка в Конституцию меня не обманывает. Она такова, будто сквозь зубы, нехотя и в сторону. Он прощает долги тем бывшим союзным республикам, в которых убивали русских. Он даже содержит некоторые республики, в которых убивали русских. Чужой он мне, чужой навсегда.
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        He was never his own.
        Хотя роль "своего парня " это его любимая. Ни разу не отдал голос за него,сначала потому что привел его во власть Ельцин. А потом по факту заслуг стало ясно,он пустышка для страны.
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    A pathetic amendment to the Constitution does not deceive me.


    Unfortunately, there is some truth in your words.
    Про русских за рубежом в России вспоминают когда
    already completely squeeze.
    More precisely, they begin to play this card.
    After all, Ukraine was taken up only when it became clear
    что в Крыму будет база НАТО, да и сама Украина туда нацелилась.
    Until that moment, all the shit was on the Russians in the same Crimea.
    Well, maybe except Luzhkov.
    Или когда в Туркмении кошмарили русских - ноль реакции - заключали с
    them gas contracts.

    Perhaps now they remembered the Slavs because it would allow plugging demographic holes.
    Ведь Россия опять вымирает, и без миграционных потоков будет в минусах по населению.

    Люди в России без документов - это проблема....
    But, I talked more about those who have so far remained in the republics ...

    The bill must be passed on migration.
    With the admission of dual citizenship.
    But I'm afraid Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan will be circumvented in this regard.

    And why is there no Uzbekistan or Azerbaijan?
    In general, why is there no program separately for Russians (Slavs)?
    Is a person from what country if he is Russian and wants to obtain citizenship?
    Почему у евреев, немцев, казахов есть такие программы, а в России нет?

    But I am glad that at least something was added to the constitution, and that there will be a simplification of migration policy.
    Many would go to Russia if it weren’t so difficult, not with such red tape and
    not with such redneck Russian migration police (ad-hells).

    А автор статьи выбрал по мне так самые малозначимые поправки и развел либералистическое нытьё.