Court on the case of the fall of the liner MH17 in the Donbass: the accused are appointed by the West


March 9 in the Netherlands, a trial will begin in the case of the crash of the liner MH17 in the Donbass. Four accused are on trial, but none of them will appear before the court.


Recall that a Boeing aircraft flying from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) and owned by the Malaysian airline Malaysia Airlines crashed on July 17, 2014 near Donetsk. All 298 people aboard the plane died.

Soon it became known that the crash occurred as a result of a missile fired from an anti-aircraft missile system entering it. It was these data that made the Joint Investigative Group suspected of involvement in the crash of the liner of the Donetsk militias and Russia.

According to investigators, the Buk air defense system, from which the plane was allegedly shot down, belongs to the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade of the RF Armed Forces, deployed in the Kursk region. Investigators claim that the air defense systems were purportedly brought to the Donbass, and then taken back. Recall that Russian representatives were not allowed to investigate the incident, in addition, the Ukrainian side and the United States and a number of European countries behind it tried to build obstacles for Malaysia, although the ship belonged to this state and most of the victims, including crew members, were citizens of Malaysia .

As a result, the accused in the case were “appointed,” and this is exactly how the four people should be charged. This is Igor Girkin, better known as Strelkov, as well as Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Leonid Kharchenko. Three of them are citizens of Russia, Kharchenko is a citizen of Ukraine. All of these people, according to investigators, are personally responsible for the crash of the aircraft.

It is clear that no real evidence of Russia's involvement in the crash of the aircraft and the involvement of these accused persons is not given. The accusation is based on some fragmentary information, fragments of public statements of political figures and the like. The defendants themselves do not admit their guilt. In mid-August, private investigator Joseph Resch, who led a parallel investigation into the tragedy, tried to present his version, but the Joint Investigative Group did not study it.

Given all the introductory, you can count on the fact that the trial will drag on for a long time. The lawyer of one of the accused Elena Kutina in an interview RIA News" She said that the process can go on for six months, until the fall of 2020, but, from our point of view, this is the minimum time. Recall that the famous Yukos case has been tried in the international court in The Hague for ten years, and there is an economic case with a lot of evidence. Therefore, it cannot be ruled out that the process will drag on for more than a year.

A quick trial of the crash of a liner is possible only if the court receives an order in advance to charge Girkin and the other accused and does not take into account all the dubious aspects of this high-profile case.

Of course, now it’s very profitable for the West to blame Russia for what has happened, since this will give new life to anti-Russian sanctions, it will become an additional trump card for criticism of Moscow, and, in addition, it will show the whole world that Russia, they say, was not only involved in the plane crash but also for six years she refused to admit her involvement. In such a situation, the most justifiable way out for Russia is not to recognize the fabricated “evidence”. Actually, this was stated by President Vladimir Putin, who expressed the position of Moscow: Russia will recognize the process only if it gets the opportunity to fully participate in the investigation of the tragedy.

On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders. Indeed, now Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is sharply criticizing the current government, its politics in the Donbass, relations with Ukraine. He is a rather controversial figure and provokes mixed opinions in the Russian establishment. Therefore, the famous Strelkov may well be sacrificed for the sake of satisfying some tactical goals.
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  1. Volgar 8 March 2020 17: 58 New
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    The accusation is based on some fragmentary information, fragments of public statements of political figures and the like.

    Instead of punishing the true Ukrainian culprits in the death of the airliner, they organized a political show.
    1. Corsair 9 March 2020 01: 16 New
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      Quote: Volgar
      Instead of punishing the true Ukrainian culprits

      And the court is getting closer and closer. The judges and prosecutors, thoughts are more confused, but absurd.
      1. ccsr 9 March 2020 11: 59 New
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        Quote: Corsair
        And the court is getting closer and closer. The judges and prosecutors, thoughts are more confused, but absurd.

        This does not mean anything - it’s enough to recall the work of the Warren commission after Kennedy was killed, and it becomes obvious that here they will drive such nonsense under the evidence base that ordinary Western people will shake because they are told through their media that this is true. The slogan of the day is "Long live Girkin, the future commander of the Russian Air Force!"
    2. Baloo 9 March 2020 09: 46 New
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      Quote: Volgar
      According to investigators, the Buk air defense system, from which the plane was allegedly shot down, belongs to the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, deployed in the Kursk region

      With a specific long-playing goal.
      According to investigators, the Buk air defense system, from which the plane was allegedly shot down, belongs to the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, deployed in the Kursk region

      If the board were shot down 15-20 seconds later, it could very well crash into Russian territory.
  2. Kronos 8 March 2020 18: 00 New
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    A weighted article is the only thing that is not clear why it is completely dismissed that the plane could bring down the DNI? Many states shot down civilian planes unintentionally, especially during hostilities there is nothing wrong with that.
    1. Aerodrome 8 March 2020 18: 17 New
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      Quote: Kronos
      A weighted article is the only thing that is not clear why it is completely dismissed that the plane could bring down the DNI? Many states shot down civilian aircraft unintentionally, especially during hostilities Nothing wrong with that

      it’s just that your relatives were not there.
    2. paul3390 8 March 2020 18: 33 New
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      If you explain - they had to spend on feijoa one of only four missiles (if they had Buk at all) - on a plane flying at an altitude of 10 km, as a result - they did not threaten anything?
    3. tihonmarine 8 March 2020 19: 33 New
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      Quote: Kronos
      Many states shot down civilian planes unintentionally, especially during hostilities there is nothing wrong with that.

      Sorry this is not the opera, there is a clear provocation and disinformation that Goebbels began with the Katyn massacre. The same methods and now, they also want to hang the Tu-154 near Smolensk. Nothing new has been invented, and believe me, again the democrats and adherents of Goebbels will oppose their country, raise a howl, and the powers that be will make concessions to them. Well, wait and see, time will judge. But the west has never had faith, and never will.
  3. Comrade 8 March 2020 18: 02 New
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    Yes to hammer on this court.
    According to investigators, the Buk air defense system, from which the plane was allegedly shot down, belongs to the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, deployed in the Kursk region
    Let them tell this nonsense to themselves, and listen to themselves.
    1. onix757 8 March 2020 18: 19 New
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      Of course they will. Moreover, the Russian authorities recognize the legitimacy of their chatter.
      Russia provided the Netherlands with all the necessary materials "in response to relevant requests and, moreover, additionally sent important data on the circumstances" of the crash of a Malaysian plane in 2014 in the Donbass, the Russian Prosecutor General said.
      "For six years, Russia has been actively cooperating with the Netherlands through national prosecutors, providing not only comprehensive information on the disaster in response to all requests for legal assistance in this criminal case, but also additionally sending to the investigation extremely important data that can shed light on the true circumstances. tragedy, "- said the representative of the department
      1. Comrade 9 March 2020 00: 27 New
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        Quote: onix757
        Of course they will.

        But not will prove. Along the way, there are still believers in Poland that Russia shot down a plane with their president near Smolensk.
        Evidence naturally zero.
        But believers, as you know, do not need evidence. It is said that Girkin shot down, then Girkin.
      2. Corsair 9 March 2020 01: 23 New
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        Russian authorities recognize the legitimacy of their chatter

        I propose the option of how to disrupt this trial, and at the same time gain political points.
        All in all, it is necessary not to recognize the Netherlands-Netherlands, as they finally decided to rename themselves ...

        No country - and no one to talk to laughing fellow
    2. tihonmarine 8 March 2020 19: 51 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      Let them tell this nonsense to themselves, and listen to themselves.

      As we say, "The process has begun!" But the final words of the judge will be something like this: “Well, the whole civilized world sees that these three accused and Russia have shot down Boeing.” Why is there evidence, why is evidence and expertise, the main thing is to convict, according to the Shvonder-Sharikov system.
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5 8 March 2020 21: 11 New
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        I have not believed for a long time that human civilization has reason.
        1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 06: 06 New
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          Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
          I have not believed for a long time that human civilization has reason.

          Reason, was, but went into oblivion. Civilization destroys itself.
        2. Den717 9 March 2020 07: 32 New
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          Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
          I have not believed for a long time that human civilization has reason.

          Human civilization undoubtedly possesses reason. For only a rational being can have a passion for domination. Unreasonable predators will kill as much game as they need to feed for physical survival. Reasonable people will grab while there is an opportunity without knowing satiety for satiety, the establishment of ambition and the conquest of power over other people. And all our sorrows and problems come from this.
    3. major147 8 March 2020 22: 43 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      they tell this nonsense to themselves, and they listen to themselves.

      This is not nonsense. This is a clearly planned provocation!
  4. onix757 8 March 2020 18: 05 New
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders. Indeed, now Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is sharply criticizing the existing government

    Why not Brain? This is almost a ready-made criminal and the case has already been formalized in the LC. And the fact that there are no survivors .., so there’s a benefit, that can’t say anything.
    1. Aerodrome 8 March 2020 18: 21 New
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      Quote: onix757
      Why not Brain? This is almost a ready-made criminal and the case has already been formalized in the LC. And the fact that there are no survivors .., so there’s a benefit, that can’t say anything.

      and why not any of the National Bats? there are all criminals.
  5. knn54 8 March 2020 18: 08 New
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    - On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed ..
    This is called CAPITAL.
    And WHAT could bring down the Boeing DNR? *
    1. Siberian 9 March 2020 07: 31 New
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      Boomerang. He picked it up and returned: it probably worked, left no traces, Strelkov took it home, so there was no evidence left.
  6. Amateur 8 March 2020 18: 12 New
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    On the other hand, one cannot exclude the fact that in Moscow with to improve relationships with the West will make a kind of compromise and allow accusing Girkin

    However, bold assumptions. Interestingly, Mr. Polonsky himself invented or where did he read?
    1. Victorio 8 March 2020 18: 24 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      On the other hand, one cannot exclude the fact that in Moscow with to improve relationships with the West will make a kind of compromise and allow accusing Girkin

      However, bold assumptions. Interesting, Mr. Polonsky himself came up with or where did you read it?

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      no, from his previous article on February 4 \\ Therefore, it is possible that the Russian state will not especially “harness” itself to the person who now takes a very radical position with respect to the Kremlin. So radical that it speaks of the approach of "all-Russian unrest."
      1. Never mind 8 March 2020 18: 49 New
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        There was nothing radical in his words about unrest!
      2. Den717 9 March 2020 07: 45 New
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        Quote: Victorio
        it is possible that the Russian state will not be particularly “harnessed” to the person who now occupies a very radical position in relation to the Kremlin.

        I wonder how you imagine it in practical terms? Will give out (escorted) to The Hague? Arrest and hold his trial? Will arrange a small car accident or other accident? In my opinion, the discharge of Girkin will hit the state’s confidence more strongly than the pension reform, while it will not decide anything on the “external side”. But it will become an indirect admission of guilt by Russia in the disaster МН17 and the basis of the claim for compensation for all damages. Then we will surely become despised outcasts worse than Ukraine. Conclusion: Girkin, no matter what he is, will never surrender. Unless the mouth is shut so that it does not shine and does not annoy outsiders with a reminder of its presence. And I think it will be right.
  7. anjey 8 March 2020 18: 15 New
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders. Indeed, now Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is sharply criticizing the current government, its politics in the Donbass, relations with Ukraine.
    Well, this step is generally out of the ordinary, I hope that the GDP will not go to such an infamy, And indeed, our position should be adamant - the guilty party in all respects is Ukraine, any reasonable person understands this, despite the terrible lies of the West.
    1. Kronos 8 March 2020 18: 27 New
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      Of course, it’s stupid to do it. Strelkov can give any evidence to drown the Kremlin bourgeois. But to kill Strelkov and then hang it on him so they can
      1. kot423 8 March 2020 18: 39 New
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        Judge by your lifestyle?
      2. Never mind 8 March 2020 18: 54 New
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        At least for a start you would have looked at what path Igor Ivanovich went along And after that you made conclusions.
      3. Crystal of Truth 8 March 2020 20: 47 New
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        Can’t .. Beech, where did it come from? Shooters did not command beeches
    2. Whalebone 8 March 2020 18: 37 New
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      The culprit is Ukraine, and the Russian Federation will pay. For they took for the eggs and there are no options to wave.
  8. parusnik 8 March 2020 18: 19 New
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    He wrote for a long time that the perpetrators of the West have already been appointed ... But the time has come to call them. Apparently the time has come to give the names ... So nothing surprising. They will pull the owl onto the globe ...
  9. Chingachguk 8 March 2020 18: 33 New
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    It will be the same clowning as with the skripals ..... They will be poured for several years from empty to empty, then they will shut up and seem to be out of this flight as Skripaly ....
    1. Reserve officer 8 March 2020 18: 44 New
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      But if an amendment to the Constitution had been adopted prohibiting real estate, citizenship, a residence permit or residence of family members in adversary countries, everything would have fallen into place long ago. And not only in dealing with Boeing and the Skripals.
      Yes, just something is not visible from the gentlemen of senior officials to accept all these amendments. And in the end it will not be the Constitution of Russia, but the Constitution of United Russia.
      1. Chingachguk 9 March 2020 20: 10 New
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        And I did not know that Putin’s initiative - not to let people with a second citizenship into power, does not work .....
    2. major147 8 March 2020 22: 48 New
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      and as if this flight were not like Skripals ....

      And the sanctions will remain ....
      1. Chingachguk 9 March 2020 20: 06 New
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        And how without them ??? laughing
  10. Whalebone 8 March 2020 18: 36 New
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    20 minutes before, a board flew with my wife and 2 daughters. What do you think, I did not dive into this topic?
  11. Strashila 8 March 2020 18: 36 New
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    "the accused are appointed by the West," so don’t appoint it, because officials from the Dutch government who were supposed to prevent flights through the state in which the fighting is taking place will immediately sit on the dock.
    1. anjey 8 March 2020 19: 47 New
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      And Ukraine a priori, direct the board along a safe route and not to the database zone .....
      1. Baloo 8 March 2020 20: 34 New
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        Quote: anjey
        And Ukraine a priori, direct the board along a safe route and not to the database zone .....

        Dnepropetrovsk knot and directed the board closer to the Russian border and to a lower echelon.
        1. bouncyhunter 8 March 2020 21: 03 New
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          Big bear, hello! soldier drinks
          On March 9, the Netherlands will begin a trial in the case of the crash of the liner MH17 in the Donbass

          Arrow clogged -
          The scheme is worked out:
          Here she is, here she is -
          ON THE SPINDLE WASTE!

          negative
          1. Baloo 9 March 2020 09: 28 New
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            Pasha, hello! drinks Who crowned the virus, you do not know? belay
  12. bar
    bar 8 March 2020 18: 39 New
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will make a kind of compromise and allow blaming ...

    Pay and repent - the most option. Checked repeatedly.
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      A strange moderator deleted a completely harmless word between "most" and "option". Therefore, I ask you to read the gap between these words as "disgusting." I hope this word does not offend the subtle emotional feelings of the overseers.
      1. major147 8 March 2020 22: 50 New
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        Strange moderator

        I removed my minus.
  13. NF68 8 March 2020 19: 14 New
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    Who would doubt it. It must be assumed that Malaysia is not fools either, and such a filkin will not deceive them.
    1. major147 8 March 2020 22: 51 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Who would doubt it. It must be assumed that Malaysia is not fools either, and such a filkin will not deceive them.

      And no one asks them. Put before the fact.
      1. NF68 10 March 2020 17: 17 New
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        Quote: major147
        Quote: NF68
        Who would doubt it. It must be assumed that Malaysia is not fools either, and such a filkin will not deceive them.

        And no one asks them. Put before the fact.


        If the Malays are not their own, they will advise the judges considering this case to cram this "fact" somewhere further / deeper.
        1. major147 10 March 2020 19: 37 New
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          Quote: NF68
          they will advise the judges considering this case to cram this "fact" somewhere further / deeper.

          Is it Dutch then !? Yes, they are for happiness! lol
          1. NF68 11 March 2020 17: 42 New
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            Quote: major147
            Quote: NF68
            they will advise the judges considering this case to cram this "fact" somewhere further / deeper.
            Is it Dutch then !? Yes, they are for happiness! lol


            Let them at least be so happy.
            1. major147 11 March 2020 19: 06 New
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              Quote: NF68
              Let them at least be so happy.

              For this, apparently, they started laughing
  14. kind 8 March 2020 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Volgar
    The accusation is based on some fragmentary information, fragments of public statements of political figures and the like.

    Instead of punishing the true Ukrainian culprits in the death of the airliner, they organized a political show.

    And you still do not understand that this is a political-criminal trial. If tomorrow they benefit, Ukraine or someone else will be guilty.
    1. anjey 8 March 2020 20: 03 New
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      You want to say that the strong is always powerless to blame, and so, it’s time for Russia to show its teeth on all political and economic fronts in order to stop such rotten excesses ....
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders.

    The author carries some nonsense.
  16. Vladimir Mashkov 8 March 2020 20: 58 New
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    In general, the article is correct. But the fact that "most of the dead, including crew members were citizens of Malaysia," Ilya is wrong: the majority, about two-thirds - 65%, 193 people were citizens of the Netherlands.
    As for the surrender of Strelkov-Girkin with associates - delirium definitely.
    1. Smart 8 March 2020 21: 53 New
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      And where is;
      Hang on guys, I wish you happiness)))
  17. Smart 8 March 2020 21: 35 New
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    I would probably believe one of the parties, I even consider us right by default ...

    But, why did we show satellite images where the su-24 of Ukraine is visible ...

    Then, for some reason, we showed on TV an interview with a military man who had fled from the Ukrainian Air Force and who heard the pilot admit to shooting down the airliner ....

    Then we savored his death for a long time, allegedly as an act of concealing evidence ...

    There were also some mythical documents about hiding and destroying the evidence of European countries ...

    I won’t give it back to anyone!
    1. Esso 8 March 2020 21: 54 New
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      The pilot did not admit to shooting down the liner, you are not careful. HOW USUALLY A DEAF PHONE.
      Only one of them returned to the base. Missiles were gone. A pilot by the name of Voloshin was excited, he later threw the phrase: "The plane was at the wrong time and in the wrong place." 2 days after the fall of the Malaysian Boeing, the pilot Voloshin received an award.
      Then he allegedly shot himself. It is strange.
      Former pilot of the German airline Luvthganza Peter Khaisenko analyzed high-resolution photographs of a fragment of the outer skin of the cockpit from the scene of the tragedy and came to the conclusion that it was riddled with 30 mm bullet holes exactly at the pilots' location.
      Especially like people screaming, all the evidence and witnesses of Russia lies, they are bribed, this is propaganda. But all that Europeans provide, the USA is true. Like all Putin's totalitarian regime.
      True quiet pops up. 6 years have passed. For a long time, if they wanted to find the culprit. Let me remind you Europeans accused Russia of the war 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. But then reluctantly admitted, Saakashvili began, but Russia provoked him.
      1. DMB 75 8 March 2020 22: 10 New
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        And here they later reluctantly admit that Ukraine shot down, but Russia provoked it ..
    2. Vladimir Mashkov 8 March 2020 22: 13 New
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      Addressed by Smart
      And you do not need to believe anyone: you need to believe only yourself. And for this you need to know everything well! I've written an article, "My Truth About MH17." But at VO, the editor did not want to print it. Its somewhat abridged version called (editors have the right) "Destruction" of the Boeing "МН17: as it was" published by "Russian Spring". Read, I think it will be interesting to you. A couple of lines not included:
      “The operation was continued by throwing in the media various false data and fakes distracting from the true version. Unfortunately, the Russians also succumbed to provocations:“ The First ”showed the broadcast of the famous journalist Leontiev, based on the fake photoshop satellite photo of the fighter’s attack on the Boeing ", And representatives of Almaz-Antey confirmed Bellingcat's fake about the defeat of the Buk aircraft, indicating that it could only be a Ukrainian Buk."
      By the way, Smart, aren't you the famous McDonnell Douglas bot in the past?
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      2. Esso 8 March 2020 22: 39 New
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        I read your article, it’s quite interesting, in many respects I agree in terms of provocation and goals. But as it was executed, it’s not su-25 for sure.
        The destruction of the Malaysian Boeing 777 airliner, which crashed in the airspace over the Donbass, with an air-to-air missile launched by the Ukrainian Air Force Su-25 attack aircraft, is unlikely, said Vladimir Babak, chief designer of the attack aircraft.
        He said that the technical characteristics of the Su-25 aircraft allow it to rise to a height of 11-12 kilometers, and the attack aircraft could reach the level on which the Boeing flew (over 10 km). However, the rise to such a height would threaten the safety of pilots, given the fact that Ukrainian pilots previously, most likely, did not have such experience.
        The designer also emphasized that the power of the warhead of an aircraft rocket is too small to destroy such a large target as a large passenger plane. In addition, in order to open fire on the airliner, the attack aircraft had to “attach” to the rear - however, it would be difficult to do this, since Boeing is moving 100-150 km / h faster than the attack aircraft, ITAR-TASS constructor reports.
        Further there were many articles of military officers serving at these complexes. After looking at the photo of the plane, they said they shot down, but this is not a beech, the damage is not the same.
        I suppose, although I could be wrong, it could be su-27 or instant-29. Su-25 was just on patrol.
        1. Esso 8 March 2020 22: 58 New
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          - Lieutenant Colonel Plohodko P., Su-27 No. 36 (19614), co-pilot I. Soskovets .;
          - Major Ruchko I., MiG 29 MU1 No. 29 (2960731217), co-pilot Major Sitnik G.
        2. ccsr 9 March 2020 11: 54 New
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          Quote: Esso
          The designer also emphasized that the power of the warhead of an aircraft rocket is too small to destroy such a large target as a large passenger plane.

          But what about the South Korean Boeing during the Soviet era was shot down?
          1. Esso 10 March 2020 18: 12 New
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            which one was there 2 of them?
            if over Sakhalin, the Su-15 fired two R-98 missiles at the target
            if over Karelia the Su-15 fired one R-8 rocket
            1. ccsr 10 March 2020 18: 30 New
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              Quote: Esso
              which one was there 2 of them?

              Sakhalin. But the point is not where, but that the fighter has enough missile weapons to destroy any passenger plane.
              1. Esso 12 March 2020 16: 59 New
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                Eh, read the difference between the Su-15 and Su-25, what kind of car, read the difference between the R-98 and R-60. Specifications.
                That questions did not arise to the words of the designers.
                1. ccsr 12 March 2020 17: 29 New
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                  Quote: Esso
                  Eh, read the difference between the Su-15 and Su-25, what kind of car, read the difference between the R-98 and R-60. Specifications.

                  You probably don’t know that the passenger plane above Lockerbie was destroyed by a much smaller charge than the warhead of the missiles:
                  The remains of a Toshiba radio receiver containing a bomb containing Semtex as explosive and the remains of a brown Samsonite suitcase were found.

                  Now compare what weight of explosives could be placed in the radio, and the weight of the R-98 warhead:
                  Warhead mass - 40 kg
                  1. Esso 12 March 2020 18: 27 New
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                    You are trying hard to argue the opinion of the designer, although there is a difference in the impact of an explosive device, albeit of a low power inside the aircraft, the difference in the penetration of a rocket into the engine, the difference in the explosion of a rocket near the tail, damaging the control system. Well r-98, warhead: rod, 60-3 kg and so.
                    1. ccsr 12 March 2020 18: 49 New
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                      You are trying hard to argue the opinion of the designer,

                      And there was no thought - I just said that a conventional aircraft missile is capable of destroying any aircraft, regardless of its size. Do you and the constructor deny it?
                      1. Esso 12 March 2020 20: 20 New
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                        Not always. Learn the materiel.
                      2. ccsr 13 March 2020 11: 49 New
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                        Not always. Learn the materiel.

                        Almost always, because fighter missiles are provided against enemy combat aircraft, and their strength characteristics are much higher than those of civilian aircraft. So yourself sometimes look into the materiel ....
                      3. Esso 13 March 2020 21: 47 New
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                        read the materiel first su-25, su-17 what kind of aircraft, and then from weapons. The purpose of the aircraft.
  • major147 8 March 2020 22: 53 New
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    I won’t give it back to anyone!

    What evidence was provided by them. However, they do not fall into the line of "Western investigators", therefore they are not accepted for consideration.
  • rich 9 March 2020 03: 34 New
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    Quote: Smart
    I won’t give it back to anyone!

    keep yourself yes
  • Self 8 March 2020 23: 33 New
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    But in general, what is the need to sacrifice the same Strelkov, whatever he was there? What is such a "compromise" with the West? He (the West) will spread his arms, and take in a gentle hug? Or how ? Everyone seems to understand that this is not a plane at all. What is the point of making any kind of concession on this issue. Especially if you did not hit the plane? What are they afraid of? New sanctions? They will be introduced anyway. Even if you pass these four, and four more times four. Seeking a compromise with the West means believing that they are very good and kind. And stifled with sanctions solely because of the story of the plane. And if we sprinkle our heads with ashes and give Strelkov back, the West will become kind, and will do its utmost to help build Russia for the benefit of its citizens))
  • sleeve 9 March 2020 06: 35 New
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    About Strelkova some kind of hyperopus. And here he is, if they are talking about the military unit of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Shoigu will have to sacrifice then. But shooters, in general, can be a dark knight — they can move air defense calculations. And they generally put pressure on the pedal of participation of regular units of the RF Armed Forces. This, comrades, is a call to a "criminal organization." Here, a special evidence base for howling newspaper-internet is not needed. And oops, the Russian army is a terrorist organization.
  • Ham
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders.

    the plane was shot down than by order of girkin? from a slingshot? admit guilty girkin it means admit the guilt of Russia! what kind of "compromise" the author writes what nonsense ...
  • Mountain shooter 9 March 2020 08: 38 New
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    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders. Indeed, now Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is sharply criticizing the current government, its politics in the Donbass, relations with Ukraine. He is a rather controversial figure and provokes mixed opinions in the Russian establishment. Therefore, the famous Strelkov may well be sacrificed for the sake of satisfying some tactical goals.
    The author is normal ... yeah. Just a fantasy broke out.
  • Aleks2000 9 March 2020 09: 31 New
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    Actually ....
    Noble rebels shot down from 12 aircraft / helicopters, there are still a lot of joyful videos on the Internet ...
    and on state. TASS: "Militiamen of the proclaimed DNR shot down the An-26 plane of the Ukrainian Air Force" and the like ...

    And suddenly the only option: 2 ukroletchik on a tip from 2 dispatchers knock down a plane like GDP, and Poroshenko almost instructed himself. Mechanic, photographs, testimonies, articles in the media ...

    The GDP plane in the south is unguarded, although it always flies with fighters and through the north ...

    And how snapped: not a single downed ukro-helicopter / airplane ...

    Well, one can’t believe in the banderlog evil intent ...
  • Andrey the Magnificent 9 March 2020 10: 54 New
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    That's what the court will look like, in my opinion !!, hi
  • ccsr 9 March 2020 11: 52 New
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    Author:
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№
    On the other hand, it cannot be ruled out that in Moscow, in order to improve relations with the West, they will compromise and allow Girkin to be blamed for the fact that an airplane was shot down on his orders. Indeed, now Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is sharply criticizing the current government, its politics in the Donbass, relations with Ukraine.

    This is an absolutely absurd statement, if only because Russia's reputation losses after such recognition simply collapse. I think that the author, putting forward a similar version, simply does not understand the whole essence of the consequences of such a step.
  • Iris 10 March 2020 00: 08 New
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    The only purpose that can be seen in reality is made by the mass media of our country: the international court, even before its beginning, was appointed partisan, and the conclusions of this court that were not yet made were politically biased.
  • RoTTor 13 March 2020 17: 04 New
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    The leadership of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, Moscow Region, Moscow State University of Ukraine and its Ukraine, Ukraine and Ukraine, and one of them immediately disappeared -
    those who did not warn PIC MN-17 that
    Is it dangerous to fly over the combat zone? - DIRECT GUIDERS OF THE PLANE OF THE PLANE!

    The direct culprits are Poroshenko, Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Pivovorsky, Omelyan ...

    And were there APU combat aircraft?