In the DPR approved the Russian language as the only state

The Russian language is recognized as the only state language in the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic. The corresponding amendment was made to the Constitution of the republic by decision of the People’s Council of the DPR.

According to local media, the People’s Council of the Republic amended Article 10 of the DPR Constitution with regard to the definition of the Russian language as the only one having the state status. The proposal for amendments was made by the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin. The decision was made unanimously. Earlier, the DPR Constitution defined the Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​as the state language.

The need to adopt amendments to the basic law of the country has long been ripe, since the use of the Ukrainian language as the state language has not found its practical implementation. For most residents of the DPR, the Russian language is native - most of the Donbass not only speak it, but also think

- said Pushilin after the publication of the voting results.

The changes come into force after the signing of the document by the head of the DPR and publication on the website of the People’s Council.

Amendments to the law on education are also reported. According to the new law adopted by the deputies of the People’s Council, education in schools will be conducted only in the state language - Russian. At the same time, it remains possible to receive pre-school and school education in the native language (Ukrainian - approx. IN), if the parents of the students wish.

Comments

[Thrall]

Zelensky missed the last chance to see the Donbass as part of Ukraine, without repealing the Russophobic language law.

[210ox]

I think that they have not had a chance since the summer of 2014 ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Thrall

Zelensky missed the last chance to see the Donbass as part of Ukraine, without repealing the Russophobic language law.

And Zelensky as the President of Ukraine could not help but miss the last chance of national reconciliation of the dictatorship of Bandera zapadentsev with the Russian population in the DLNR, since he is not an OWNER on his own as the President of Ukraine.
The puppet president of the country is always nominal - by someone else's will - and board.

[cost]

And what is happening on Ukrainian sites today They already demand to contact the UN. Like, this is language terror and the Holocaust, which was not in the history of man

[Tatyana]

Quote: Rich

What is happening on Ukrainian sites today? They already demand to contact the UN. Like, this is language terror and the Holocaust, which was not in the history of mankind

Why shouldn’t Ukrainians go to the UN if the United States, Great Britain and modern Germany, in the pro-American feed of the United Nations, get away with everything about the Bandera regime in Kiev?
It’s like Europe and the United States at one time let go of Hitler’s Third Reich before WWII!

[Lelek]

Quote: Tatiana

It’s like Europe and the United States at one time let go of Hitler’s Third Reich before WWII!

You're right. Here is London and the English "Hitler" Mosley - "zigzag all !!! 1 (1934)"

Here is the funeral of Pilsudski - Hitler on the ground (1935)

Here Chamberlain pens with a friend Adolf (1939)

Here is the Polish Foreign Ministry, Jozef Beck, and his friend Adolf go on fascist gatherings (1939)

Here are the hot Galichin girls who welcome brothers in arms (1941)

And here are the maps of Europe at that time and today, find 5 differences:

[Krasnoyarsk]

And I believe that the DNR people did everything right, but ... very early.
It was impossible to pass such a law today. Why is a part of the DPR population, and so not very loyal to the DPR, and such, I know, have, do from neutral to opponents? What is the deep meaning of this? Anyway, Ukrainian, officially, nobody uses it there. What is the point of adopting this law? Tease the geese? This is not the mind, it is emotions.

[primala]

rich
And what is happening on Ukrainian sites today smile They already demand to contact the UN. Like, this is language terror and the Holocaust, which was not in the history of mankind yes
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nimagus laugh ...))) Which followed, from the "chubaty" in trousers))

[Caretaker]

Quote: 210ox

I think that they have not had a chance since the summer of 2014.

In the summer of 2014. there was still a chance to expand the borders of Novorossiya, and then the very definition of "Ukraine" could change.

[carstorm 11]

there was no declaration of war and the entry of a regular army into it

[svoit]

In the summer, without what you said, there was no, but in the spring of 2014 there were such opportunities, but they were not used from the word "absolutely" !!!

[Insurgent]

Quote: 210ox

I think that they have not had a chance since the summer of 2014 ..

Actually, your point of view is confirmed by a referendum on May 11, 2014, in which the population of the DPR and LPR clearly determined the status of Donbass as independent territories with a focus on close integration with the Russian Federation.
And in fact, since 2014, there has been a war between the Nazi ex-Ukraine and the de facto independent republics.

And the version about the so-called "civil war" is nothing more than a stylistic-casuistic form of functionaries from politics ...
And exclusively Russian. The side of the "non-brothers" clearly defines this war as ... an occupation by ... Russia

[Prahlad]

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

[Thrall]

Quote: Prahlad

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

Who is sorry?
Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions in the future as a result of possible negotiations with mainland Ukraine. As part of Russia, this will be practically impossible.

[businessv]

Quote: Thrall

Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions in the future as a result of possible negotiations with mainland Ukraine.

Which one is planning to speak with LDNR at all? And even more so, discuss their chance of increasing to the administrative boundaries of the regions! Do not mislead people, colleague! As for Transnistria, it is correctly said - they also did not find the time for negotiations.

[Dart2027]

Quote: businessv

Which one is planning to speak with LDNR at all?

And where does Ukraine? Negotiations with those who can make decisions.

[businessv]

Quote: Dart2027

And where does Ukraine? Negotiations with those who can make decisions.

Do you want to say that decisions on expanding LDNR territories to their administrative borders will be made outside Ukraine, and then brought to the attention of the Ukrainian apparatus of the president, the Cabinet, so that they comply with these decisions ?! Clever!

[Dart2027]

Quote: businessv

will be accepted outside Ukraine, and then brought to the attention of the Ukrainian apparatus of the president, the Cabinet, so that they comply with these decisions

Do you seriously believe that there is some kind of state independence in Ukraine? What they say they will do.

[businessv]

Quote: Dart2027

Do you seriously believe that there is some kind of state independence in Ukraine? What they say they will do.

I know that there is no independence and that independent external management has been clear since 2014, but you forget that there is an internal controller of the current policy there - the Natsiks who are armed and who, if they want, can block any decision of the authorities. They have real control of the country, the rest is for the audience. And from the outside it will never succeed either in watering the Crimea with Dnieper water, or in expanding the territory of LDNR to their administrative borders. This will only be possible by destroying the existing regime.

[Dart2027]

Quote: businessv

but you forget that there is an internal controller of the policy there - Natsiks who are armed and who, if they want, will be able to block any decision of the authorities

Yes they are. But this problem can be solved by military means, there are not so many of them, and the warriors of them ... This is not the Wehrmacht.

[gsev]

Quote: businessv

Which one is planning to speak with LDNR at all?

As far as I know Ukrainians, more than the return of Crimea to Russia, the question is, "Were Putin and the FSB of Russia able to protect the inhabitants of Crimea from pseudo-Islamic terrorists in Crimea.?"

[businessv]

Quote: gsev

"Were Putin and the Russian FSB able to protect the residents of Crimea from pseudo-Islamic terrorists in Crimea.?"

This is the first time I hear about such an interest of the inhabitants of Ukraine! They are well aware that in the Crimea there are three state languages, neither pseudo-Islamic, nor quasi-Islamic, nor just terrorists, therefore there is no one to protect from. Those who are called terrorists are successfully packaged by the FSB.

[gsev]

Quote: businessv

This is the first time I hear about such an interest of the inhabitants of Ukraine!

Apparently you frankly did not communicate with ordinary residents of Ukraine.

[businessv]

Quote: gsev

Apparently you frankly did not communicate with ordinary residents of Ukraine.

Only from there! You are writing blatant nonsense! If there are arguments, state them, do not hesitate! Where did the "pseudo-Islamic terrorists" come from in Crimea ?!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thrall

Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions in the future as a result of possible negotiations with mainland Ukraine.

The only question is whether the results of the negotiations will yield a positive solution. For a long time, any negotiations with Ukraine will come to a standstill.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Prahlad

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

Who is sorry?
Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions in the future as a result of possible negotiations with mainland Ukraine. As part of Russia, this will be practically impossible.

No chance of achieving anything at all negotiations with "mainland Ukraine" the republics do not and never will.
But Russia, I hope, is not going to "nibble". She has a chance to take the "mainland" entirely ...

[Caretaker]

Quote: Paul Siebert

But Russia, I hope, is not going to "nibble". She has a chance to take the "mainland" entirely ...

Not "take it entirely," but help restore state sovereignty, the acquisition of which can only be based on friendly relations with Russia.

[carstorm 11]

for sure. and then feed them for decades. isn’t it funny?

[Caretaker]

Quote: carstorm 11

for sure. and then feed them for decades. isn’t it funny?

In your opinion, it turns out that any territory returned to Russia and any ally needs to be "fed for decades"?
Similar allegations were declared in Georgia, the Baltic states and some other republics, how did it end?
Do you / we need slaves or friends and allies?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Caretaker

Do you / we need slaves or friends and allies?

We need Russians. Putin tried to cooperate with Ukraine while it was possible, but now that Ukraine has become a US colony, we are actually in a war, he will try to win this war, and this is where the most interesting part begins.
Quite an interesting article "Forget about Ukrainians forever: about the strategic plan of the Kremlin"
https://www.nalin.ru/zabyt-ob-ukraincax-navsegda-o-strategicheskom-plane-kremlya-2780
And what is characteristic is absolutely logical.
Friends? Do not tell, they are not in politics.
Are Ukrainians a part of Russia? Why again step on this rake?
Does the current leadership of Ukraine want to completely destroy / assimilate the population who consider themselves Russian? The answer is simple - Russia will do everything to close the Ukraine project once and for all, assimilating the Ukrainian population.
We should not be like, etc. etc.? Sorry, this is real life, not a fairy tale for children.

[Caretaker]

Quote: Dart2027

Are Ukrainians a part of Russia? Why again step on this rake?

No need to step on the rake.

Quote: Dart2027

We need Russians.

But what about the "rake"?

Quote: Dart2027

Friends? Do not tell, they are not in politics.

Let it be so, "brothers" - such a definition will suit you. Or do you, as in Ukraine, recognize the Ukrainians as "non-brothers"? In the near future, unification is impossible, but we need to work in this direction.
I suppose that we are quite happy with the friendly state of Ukraine, with the Russian language as an equal state language.
What happened is our fault, not everything was foreseen, "they worked badly."
Naturally, LDNR will not become part of Ukraine in the coming years, but recognition of them will not solve the problem. Steps towards the official recognition of their independence are possible after Ukraine abandoned the Norman format and the Minsk agreements. Zelensky promises throughout the year.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Caretaker

But what about the "rake"?

Rakes are fraternal peoples, if you do not understand.

Quote: Caretaker

Let it be so, "brothers" - such a definition will suit you. Or do you, as in Ukraine, recognize the Ukrainians as "non-brothers"?

There are no friends, no brothers, you forget this sugary dregs. They speak about friends and brothers in official speeches when you need to speak beautifully and nobly. But real politics is rationalism.

Quote: Caretaker

I suppose that we are quite happy with the friendly state of Ukraine, with the Russian language as an equal state language.

And will it be? Not in theory, but in practice?

Quote: Caretaker

Naturally, LDNR will not become part of Ukraine in the coming years, but recognition of them will not solve the problem.

In the end, they will become part of Russia. And when and how do we know when the time will come.

[svoit]

DNI and LC still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions

This chance was missed by Minsk -1 (it seems in September), because of perplexity they forgot to register the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the regions, which was more than realistic, but they would have solved the problem with Bandera.

[imrek_ua]

Dont Have. Especially as a result of negotiations. Kiev is not able to negotiate.

[ultra]

Quote: Prahlad

Now this is the second Transnistria

Look at the map.

[Svarog]

Quote: Prahlad

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

Half measures in everything .. as a result, nowhere and in nothing have advanced .. It’s just pushed the problems, but they haven’t gone anywhere ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svarog

Half measures in everything ..

So what we have here - yeah, again, polymers, such polymers ... And again sour pulled.

[Alex Nevs]

This simple awl, they themselves understood where. And it will hurt. Sick for a long time.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Prahlad

in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

it’s not even close. Pridnestrovie’s chance of joining Russia is zero, not so much because of the lack of a common border with Russia, but because of the lack of access to the sea by Pridnestrovie (Kaliningrad would have been lost by Russia long ago if it hadn’t had access to the sea). The DPR has a huge land border with Russia and a 100% chance of joining Russia. In 2014, Russia did everything it could at that time both in the military and geopolitical terms. I recommend that you look at the percentage of modern weapons in the Russian army in 2014 and Now, maybe then it will be it is clear.

[Caretaker]

Quote: lopvlad

Russia in 2014 did everything that it was capable of at that time both in military and geopolitical terms. I recommend looking at the percentage of modern weapons in the Russian army in 2014 and now, maybe then it will become clear.

The liberation of Mariupol and Volnovakha in 2014. could create the prerequisites for further advancement.
The Minsk agreements, in the form in which they were concluded, froze the process of creating New Russia. Without the unification of the republics into a single state, further progress in this direction is problematic.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Caretaker

The liberation of Mariupol and Volnovakha in 2014. could create the prerequisites for further advancement.

Do you really believe that the DPR and LPR armies could capture and hold on their own? Or do you propose then to introduce the Russian regular army to Ukraine and use it to intervene.
And then apparently we were supposed to feed Ukraine from our own pockets and all this under sanctions such as Iranian.

[Caretaker]

Quote: lopvlad

do you really believe that the army of the DNI and LC could capture and hold by yourself? Or do you propose then to introduce the Russian regular army to Ukraine and use it to intervene ...

I really believe that it was the Minsk agreements that stopped the army of the emerging Novorossia, in the form in which it was at that time, somewhat prematurely. If the movement continued, then there would be no need to "feed" anyone.
Where did you read about the "capture"? I wrote about "liberation".
You use enemy terminology, thereby promoting the advancement of enemy mythology.

[Tuzik]

Quote: Caretaker

Where did you read about the "capture"? I wrote about "liberation".
You use enemy terminology, thereby promoting the advancement of enemy mythology.

And where is the promotion? Do you think there are a lot of sheep on the site?

[Caretaker]

You will not write about the "capture" of Donetsk or Sevastopol by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War?
The term "Little Green Men" is also hostile.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Caretaker

The term "Little Green Men" is also hostile.

This is whom to consider the enemy

[Caretaker]

Quote: Insurgent

This is whom to consider the enemy

Judging by the flag on your avatar, we have one enemy.
Judging by the minuses, some did not even understand what was going on, the enemy terms were so introduced into the mind.
Not "little green men", but "polite people".
Not "capture", but the return of Crimea. Not "capture", but the liberation of the territories of Novorossiya.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Caretaker

Not "little green men", but "polite people".

That one, that another, is our trolling of those, contrary to whose wishes Crimea returned to Russia.
And it’s not a matter of style, there are "polite people" in the English manner - "The Gentlemen", and nothing. LET THE KNOW!

[Caretaker]

Quote: Insurgent

That one, that another, is our trolling of those, contrary to whose wishes Crimea returned to Russia.

You are mistaken, remember, "polite people", this is our "trolling" in relation to them, and "little green men", this is their "trolling" in relation to us.
Their definitions in relation to us have become so deeply rooted in consciousness that some do not even notice that they are "trolling" themselves. Enemy trolling turned out to be more effective, unfortunately.
I don't like the definition of "trolling" in this context, I just used your slang.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Caretaker

If the movement continued, then there would be no need to "feed" anyone.

it is so naive. If you really believe that after Russia joining all of Ukraine in 2014 against the territory of Ukraine and Russia, sanctions would not be imposed as being introduced against the DPR and LPR, you are severely mistaken.

[carstorm 11]

yes release is not a problem. then hold it with what? physically there aren’t so many troops even now, but I’m silent about the 14th year.

[Insurgent]

Quote: carstorm 11

yes release is not a problem. then hold it with what?

Actually, I think that after the liberation of the territories of the republics, ex-Ukraine will not be able to somehow put pressure on the DPR and LPR militarily.

Not to fat, to be alive...

You mentioned 2014, but you didn’t say what state the APU was in after defeating several boilers, and how their units left Mariupol ...

[Caretaker]

Quote: carstorm 11

yes release is not a problem. then hold it with what?

I keep the front line, and the rear territories only improve the situation at the front.
With the possible release of Mariupol and Volnovakha, the length of the contact line would not be extended much.

[Ros 56]

Yes, you are right, it was a huge mistake, with our bell tower. And what did they think in the Kremlin But Novorossia had to be taken in any way and now there would be no such problems.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

The Kremlin thought about the Crimea, which is undoubtedly many times more important than the LPNR. Why should enemies be given unnecessary grounds for songs about "annexation"? You can say that Crimea and LDNR are different things. Different for you, but for enemies "from the same opera" about the aggressiveness of Russia.

[Ros 56]

Crimea, this is not discussed at all, under any circumstances. IT IS OUR and the point. But just everything else, starting from Kharkov to Odessa and the Donbass, of course, this had to be solved simultaneously. As for the enemies, to put it mildly, so that the modera wouldn’t get aroused, in short, they would go on a erotic foot trip in the forest and choose for themselves: on or on. Something like this.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Prahlad

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

It's a pity. You can't argue with that. But here is the "second Transnistria" ... Absolutely NO!

For all the seeming similarity of situations, the republics of Donbass have an important, decisive and decisive козырь - common border with the Russian Federation.

[svp67]

Maybe in vain, but they know better there ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Maybe in vain, but they know better

But it is much more difficult to switch to MOV, especially if there is no desire to learn it.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

But it is much more difficult to switch to MOV, especially if there is no desire to learn it.

Where? There? Oh come on ... There, all the villages are trying to speak it, not to mention the state-owned media, which for 30 years have been like Ukrainian. Another thing is that all this took root in cities very difficult, due to the fact that the Ukrainian language was not invented for industry, they always spoke Russian, and Donbass is still not an agricultural region, but an industrial one.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Another thing is that all this took root in cities very difficult, due to the fact that the Ukrainian language was not invented for industry, they always spoke Russian, and Donbass is still not an agricultural region, but an industrial one.

I am also about Donbass, and not about Square, in which even my Russian relatives "distort Ridnu Movu".

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

in which even my Russian relatives "distort Ridnu Movu".

So nothing surprising ... but is it "clean" somewhere? In RI and the USSR, the "Poltava dialect" was accepted as such, now "Lviv", and these are TWO big differences ... HUGE.
Here their comedians from the Diesel show showed it well

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Here their comedians from the Diesel show showed it well

Nothing to say. Good humor.

[svoit]

Quote: tihonmarine

Nothing to say. Good humor.

it would be funny if it weren’t so sad

[Errr]

Quote: svp67

In RI and the USSR, the "Poltava dialect" was accepted as such, now "Lviv", and these are TWO big differences ... HUGE.

You will be surprised, but the year before last I talked with a resident of Transcarpathia and he told me that the Poltava "nightingale" dialect is the basis of the now existing "independent" mov. He did not want to hear about any Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk or Vinnytsia.

[svp67]

Quote: Herrr

You will be surprised, but the year before last I talked with a resident of Transcarpathia and he told me that at the heart of the Poltava "nightingale" dialect that now exists in the independent Mova. He did not want to hear about any Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk or Vinnytsia.

Their government does not want to know much about this; it was the "Lviv" government that was adopted as the state one, and textbooks and grammar were changed for it. And the fact that "Poltava" still prevails has not yet been "decommunized"

[Errr]

No way again!
It is in Ukrainian schools that at the moment the kids officially get into the rubbish that the modern Ukrainian language is based on the Poltava dialect.

[Tuzik]

Quote: svp67

Here their comedians from the Diesel show showed it well

Thank you for the video. I rolled away under the sofa))) Of course you need to understand Ukrainian at least a little. Diesel doesn’t always turn out so funny, but they were in shock.

[Errr]

Sergey, even Zaporizhzhya Cossacks nikoli did not roam in this anti-Russian dialect, now called my Ukrainian, on this anyhow, as a cobbled together linguistic "monster of Frankenstein", two-thirds consisting of Polonisms and Germanisms. Can, in this case, assume that at least one third of it is the same melodious "nightingale" Poltava dialect? Alas and ah! Soviet and Russian linguist-Slavist and folklorist, Doctor of Philology, Professor, Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences Nikita Ilyich Tolstoy dispelled this myth to smithereens in the last century:

The newly-born mov consists of 1/3 of polonisms, 1/3 of Germanisms, and 1/3 of the invented barbarian dialect.

He did not even mention the "nightingale language".
An artificially tortured, and therefore not understood by the overwhelming majority of the population even in Ukraine itself, the "Ukrainian" dialect was created by the enemies of Russia and all Russian solely for the purpose of separating southwestern Russia from Russia. This is not a language of communication, because created solely for the misunderstanding of some people by others. Therefore, the wildly mutilated Ukrainian MOV is a go!
Read, for example, at:
https://ours-nature.ru/lib/b/book/377392833/40
Such things ventilate the attic well.

[svp67]

Quote: Herrr

Sergey, even the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks didn’t roam in this anti-Russian dialect,

Yes, you drop it, and from where he appeared on our Don? Not with them?

[Errr]

In the Don, as in the Kuban, in the Volga, Siberia, the Far East, etc. Ukrainian dialect appeared along with Cossacks and other peasants from Little Russia mainly during the time of Catherine (in the Don and Kuban) and later (in the Far East from the end of the XNUMXth century). Only it was not at all the language that they are now trying to put in the fragile children's heads of little Ukrainians. Not at all, absolutely.

[svp67]

Quote: Herrr

Only it was not at all the language that they are now trying to put in the fragile children's heads of little Ukrainians. Not at all, absolutely.

Now - yes, but then he was already different from the Vyatka dialect

[Errr]

Of course it was different. This is the essence of the dialect. But, nevertheless, he was well understood. And this is its main difference from the modern monster.
And besides this, he was really very melodic. I love Ukrainian folk songs. Sinful, but I do not repent.

[behappy]

Quote: Herrr

Not at all, absolutely.

Enlighten, dear man, but how should it be when "that". Write a few beautiful phrases, well, so that it becomes clear what he was in fact. And then there are many words, but little sense.
In general, I really want to hear the Real Ukrainian Language))))) Same That)))
P.S. Oh, yes, there are also links to dictionaries of the "correct" Ukrainian language. Well, so as not to tell you later that balabol or something like that. OK? It's a deal then.

[Errr]

You can think of my humble person in different ways. It won’t kill me.
If you like an example of native Ukrainian, then here it is:

I wonder at the sky I think I think:
Why am I not a falcon? Why am I not lying?
Why men, God, not killing krill?
I would leave the earth, and heaven would be evil ...
Far away, for the Khmari, far away to the Holy Land,
Joking soju dolj, on the mountain privjtu,
And caresses at the sun, at zjrok pass,
I have a clear desire to rest.
For longer I seem to be unloving;
I am hiring from her; cotton stray:
I’m a stranger to dolj, a stranger to people ...
Hiba hto kohe nerjdnih djtey? ...
I swear dashingly and I do not know happiness
And gjrko bez dolj svjy vjk karate;
I have great knowledge, but I have one
The far sky is my side ... ..
And on svjtj gjrko! - Yak become shche gjrshe,
I have eyes to heaven - more fun,
And I’ll forget at dumka, I’m an orphan -
And the thought is far, far away! ....
So give the krill, the eagle krill!
I will leave the earth - and to new
Orlom bistrokrilim near the sky
And v hmarah vjdv svjtu on-in-drown.

So he was in 1841. Even to me, an inveterate Siberian, practically everything is clear in this text.

[behappy]

Quote: Herrr

So he was in 1841. Even to me, an inveterate Siberian, practically everything is clear in this text.

Thank you for not ignoring me! Respect
And in this text - Well, so it all remained! You can check it easily))) And what you do not understand today in the Ukrainian language is not that it has changed upside down, but because there are a lot of words in languages, it's hard to know everything right away.
Let's take the same English. If you are not a native speaker, then even translators sometimes need to "peep" in the dictionary for a specific term, not to mention just an ordinary person who just learned the language at the everyday level.
The fact that many words are understandable and sound similar in Russian and Ukrainian - this confirms that the cultural sides of the countries closely intersected and, as it happens, there is an influence on the language.
For example, Veresen - you don't quite understand, but the word Saptemba (September) is more understandable. September is somehow similar to the English "September". But this does not mean that you should understand English straight away. And it doesn't mean that these languages ​​are very close, does it? There are borrowings, etc. And there are zest))

[Errr]

Borrowing in a particular language is one of the 2 most important (along with inflectional) factors in their formation. And although the modern Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​come from the Old Russian root common to all of them, over time a certain amount of their specific borrowings has accumulated in each of them. This is due to ethno-cultural, economic and other types of relationships with other peoples. For a Russian, for example, it is primarily Finnish-Volga and Kipchak influences. In Belarus - Polish and to a lesser extent Lithuanian, and in Ukrainian - all the same Polish and to a much lesser extent the same Kypchak (Great Steppe from the Carpathians to Altai, however ) exposure. Here I intentionally lose sight of earlier borrowings common from all of them from the Old Norse and Middle Greek languages.
Judging by your answers, I venture to assume that you are a resident of Ukraine. In his statement:

The fact that many words are understandable and sound similar in Russian and Ukrainian - this confirms that the cultural sides of the countries closely intersected and, as it happens, there is an influence on the language.

You involuntarily reminded me of one very intelligent person named Taras from Mukachevo, if my memory serves me right. True, unlike you, he nevertheless believes that Russians are related to Ukrainians, and not "culturally intersected with each other." You do not consider it to be rudeness, but for me personally, all three East Slavic peoples still have a single and indivisible community in all respects, and primarily in the genetic one. Everything else, i.e. acquired local linguistic and other cultural and technological ( ) features - just the outer scales, allowing you to more competently adapt to the local specific conditions of existence, nothing more. Therefore, I very poorly perceive foreign borrowing in the first place in my native Russian language. If it is possible to get by with the run-in form for centuries for describing an object or event, I try to do it. Otherwise, the language becomes like an almost unsuitable landfill. It’s good for juggling words, but it’s impossible to agree on joint actions. Only close dialects are suitable for building productive relationships without the use of a translator-interpreter.
Now about spring. The fact that in Russia for quite some time their native Slavic names of the months were replaced by Latin does not mean at all that I am not aware that heather continues to bloom safely in September, and in some places, they say, even in October. By the way, it will be said that I am aware that the English september comes from the Latin septem, which in this case means the serial number of the month in the Old Roman calendar, where the year began on March 1.
Thanks for your reply.
I would write more, but it's time to round off. Real is more powerful than virtual.

[behappy]

It would be interesting to chat with you. I didn’t expect a calm conversation on such topics at VO (it doesn’t apply to everyone, but it hurts a lot of unreasonable aggression now when you touch on a topic in this context).
In some ways I agree with you, I didn’t think about something (or didn’t "dig"), but I don’t know something, maybe.
I fully support you about "foreign" words in languages. Sometimes they even strain all these "reception" "manager" "supervisor" "deadline", etc. No, of course, something can be adequately inscribed in the language and everyday life, but when these are whole sentences from such words and people can no longer say all "this" in their native language, it is overkill.
Honestly, I’m even puzzled .. by the fact that there are still people who correctly write in their own language; Interested not for praise and provocation, but for self-development; and it’s just pleasant intellectual normal calm conversation with correctly composed complex sentences and, apparently, not a stupid person (I'm talking about you :))
I think that we still will write off. All the best.

[Errr]

Thanks for the kind words. I hope that we will write more. Honestly, I would write in a personal, but so far I have not been able to figure out how to do this.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Herrr

In the Don, as in the Kuban, in the Volga, Siberia, the Far East, etc. Ukrainian dialect appeared along with Cossacks and other peasants from Little Russia mainly during the time of Catherine (in the Don and Kuban) and later (in the Far East from the end of the XNUMXth century).

I do not know about the entire Far Eastern Cossacks, but our Transbaikal Cossacks received seniority in 1655. True, we didn’t have a word, everyone spoke Russian.

[Errr]

About the resettlement of the Little Russians in Transbaikalia, I do not know anything. I know of the existence of only four Wedges:
- Raspberry in the Kuban;
- Yellow in the Lower Volga;
- Gray in South-Western Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan;
- Green on parts of the territories of the present Khabarovsk and Primorsky territories, and the Amur and Sakhalin regions like them.

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

Yes, you drop it, and from where he appeared on our Don?

Not in the Don, but in DonU .... And two .. in the village of my great-grandfathers the Russian Trostyanka always spoke Russian, but next to it .. in the Ukrainian Trostyanka, they mumbled on surzhik ... they didn’t know any mova.
Even the Ukrainian language that was taught in Soviet schools .. is very far from what is now called mova ..

[svp67]

Quote: dvina71

Even the Ukrainian language that was taught in Soviet schools .. is very far from what is now called mova ..

It depends where ... Here's an example, the words of this song are Shevchenko's poems, they still understand it perfectly, it's another matter that they put a different meaning, then "Moskal", it was a soldier of the Russian army, and now it's a broader concept ...

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

. Here is an example, the words of this song are verses by Shevchenko, her

Shevchenko didn’t know what kind of movs. He wrote either in Russian or in surzhik ..

[svp67]

Quote: dvina71

He wrote either in Russian or in surzhik ..

Then this song on "surzhik" ... made laugh
POEM "Katerina" (excerpt)
Vasily Andreevich Zhukovsky
as a keepsake April 22, 1838

I

Choke, chornobriv,
That is not with Muscovites,
Bo Moskalі - foreign people,
Dashing with you.
Moskal love zhartuyuchi
Zhartuyuchi kine;
Pide to your Moscow region,
And dіvchina gine ...
Yakby herself, who else?
And then mother is old,
Scho brought to the light of God,
Stir the death.
My heart is sleeping,
If knowing for what;
Lyuda’s heart cannot be beaten,
And to say - it’s cool!
Swear, chornobriv,
That is not with Muscovites,
Bo Moskalі - foreign people,
Feeling sick of you .....

[dvina71]

Pure surzhik ..

[svp67]

Quote: dvina71

Pure surzhik ..

The very concept of "purest" to a mixture of languages, which is "surzhik" as it is little applicable. Specifically, what do you see here as surzhik? This is a "purely Poltava dialect"

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

This is a "purely Poltava dialect"

Yes, it doesn’t matter .. What’s now called mova is very far from that .. Now it’s polonisms, Germanism and warped Russian words .. When I lived in Ukraine I understood the villagers calmly, and they me .. Rare words .. I asked again .. I remember when I could not understand what snidanok .., Vespers easily understood .. but with a breakfast blundered))
When I listen to mov speakers today ... it's generally a different language .. Correctly it was called above .. Frankenstein ..

[svp67]

Quote: dvina71

I remember when I could not understand what snidanok ..

You know, my grandmother, a resident of the Bryansk region, also called breakfast and dinner the same thing ... maybe the whole point is that in villages the language does not change as quickly as in cities. I’ll tell you more, those who know the church language, and we have Old Slavonic, he begins to understand the Ukrainian language much faster

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

he begins to understand the Ukrainian language much faster

Yes, there is no Ukrainian language .. They tried to create it in the USSR, now it is mov .. horseradish understand what it is. But in fact it is the South Slavic dialect of the Russian language ..
The Russian language is a full-fledged language .. You can write a scientific work on it, without or with little borrowing of a foreigner. In the South Slavic dialect, you can only sleepily drink ..

[svp67]

Quote: dvina71

On it you can write a scientific work, without or with little borrowing of a foreigner.

You make me laugh again. Scientific work without borrowing inoslo ????? I would like to take a look at him ... something like "tennis is rukomashstvo and mogolyshestvo" ... Honestly, our language, especially scientific, is so strongly flavored with foreign words and terms that it can also be called "surzhik" ...

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

"tennis is handicap and jerking"

Well, they also called the bast shoeless ... so that it is possible and handicraft .. But why? The Russians did not have such a game and there was no such word ...

Quote: svp67

especially scientific so much flavored by foreign words and terms

This is the result of standardization .. Only the British use measurements on their feet, elbows and other parts of the body.
But the Russians also have such measures.

[behappy]

Quote: dvina71

Yes, there is no Ukrainian language ..

This statement is very similar to the main idea of ​​the "witnesses" of the American deception of their flights to the Moon: Yes, the Americans have never flown to the Moon ...)) Looks stupid, doesn't it?
Esperanto - yes, I know, people worked on its creation. And which group of scientists in the USSR worked on the creation of the Ukrainian language? Give a link to the works, to the description of the work, etc. This is the whole language, in your opinion, they should have come up with, developed and - the most interesting - to put into practice ... Yes, to introduce it so that they can begin to speak it. Esperanto didn’t do anything, but with the Ukrainian it turns out that everything happened to the Soviet linguists! Kapets! Does anyone else really think about saying this?
And your opus:

Yes, there is no Ukrainian language .. They tried to create it in the USSR, now it is mov .. horseradish understand what it is. But in fact it is the South Slavic dialect of the Russian language ..
The Russian language is a full-fledged language .. You can write a scientific work on it, without or with little borrowing of a foreigner. In the South Slavic dialect, you can only sleepily drink ..

you can write with such nonsense and, apparently, the meaning will not change from this, but will only add to your words the "weight" of the abnormality of everything that you wrote:

Yes, there is no Malevich’s square .. They tried to draw it in the USSR, now it’s a circle .. horseradish understand what it is. But in fact it is the South Korean polygon of the Chinese triangle .. The Chinese triangle is a full-fledged oval. On it one can describe the Weyl geometry, without or with a small definition of vectors. On the South Korean trapeze, you can only fry potatoes ..

How is my nonsense different from yours?
But how many plus signs have you earned, exploiting the theme "there is no Ukrainian language."

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: svp67

who knows the church language, and he is Old Slavonic, he begins to understand the Ukrainian language much faster

Propaganda-Svidomity, Jesuits and that's exactly the way they crack, splitting and poisoning people, inventing the antiquity of the Mova.
Those who READ annals, lives, gospels (including the notorious Peresopnitsky), they know that the language they are written in has nothing to do with the fictional Ukrainian mov.
Sned is an old Russian word. Old but not forgotten. It was also used by G.R. Derzhavin "The monarch and the prisoner are the food of worms", and is used by modern writers, it is in dictionaries. In my Bryansk region, "eat", "eat" in the village was often said. Hence the snack. And for those - through "and". Like a cat and a whale.

[Topgun]

so languages ​​do not arise from the air, for example, the word mother is the same for many - which says that distant ancestors were common and spoke the same language ...
the emergence of Ukrainian is a completely natural process (no one invented it) associated with the fact that a certain territory lived independently of the metropolis (not for nothing and the name is the outskirts) and languages ​​and peoples arise, if we look far into history then we and the Chinese are one people - all from one monkey ...

[cost]

Quote: dvina71: I could not understand what snidanok ..

Snidanok is the original Russian word Sedyanka, distorted by Ukrainianism, which comes from the word - eat, there are no special secrets here. Eating is just food.
Today it seems to have been forgotten, but back in the 70s we were told - go and eat, the snack is ready, excellent snack, "but send it to the shinok for such a snack"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dvina71

Pure surzhik ..

It’s not for me to judge a Russian person who does not even know the modern Ukrainian language. I will insert here the opinion of O. Buzin, who speaks about the distortion of the Little Russian language of Shevchenko’s works by subsequent Ukrainians of his work as follows:

“The current editions of Shevchenko’s texts are very different from the way he wrote them. Taras Grigorievich did not use modern Ukrainian spelling, but all-Russian with solid signs and letters. Already at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, it seemed to his mythologizers that he was not Ukrainian enough and that he also needed to be posthumously “Ukrainized” by squeezing the Little Russian spirit out of him. They began to squeeze right from the name of the most famous book of Shevchenko. As if someone didn’t want, but Taras does not have the book “Kobzar”!
He always wrote "Kobzar" - with a soft sign at the end. "

Natsik could not forgive him.

[behappy]

Recall how many times over the past 400 years, Ukrainians have tried to limit the use / use / development / use of the Ukrainian language.
(and this is not a complete list)

1622 - an order from Tsar Mikhail, with the filing of the Moscow Patriarch Filaret, to burn in the state all copies of the Teaching Gospel printed in Ukraine by K. Stavrovetsky.

1696 - Resolution of the Polish Sejm on the introduction of the Polish language in the courts and institutions of Right-Bank Ukraine.

1690 - the condemnation and anathema of the Council of the Russian Orthodox Church on the “Kiev New Book” of P. Mogily, K. Stavrovetsky, S. Polotsky, L. Baranovich, A. Radzivilovsky and others.

1720 - Decree of Peter I on the prohibition of printing in the Ukrainian language and the removal of Ukrainian texts from church books.

1729 - the order of Peter II to rewrite all decrees and orders from Ukrainian into Russian.

1763 - Decree of Catherine II on the prohibition of teaching in Ukrainian at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.

1769 - The ban of the Synod to print and use the Ukrainian primer.

1775 - The destruction of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the closure of Ukrainian schools at the regimental Cossack offices.

1789 - decree of the Eductional Commission of the Polish Sejm on the closure of all Ukrainian schools.

1817 - the introduction of the Polish language in all public schools of Western Ukraine.

1832 - reorganization of education in Right-Bank Ukraine on the basis of imperial principles with the translation into Russian of instruction.

1847 - rout of the Cyril and Methodius brotherhood and intensification of the brutal persecution of the Ukrainian language and culture, prohibition of the best works of Shevchenko, Kulish, Kostomarov and others.

1859 - An attempt was made by the Ministry of Religions and Sciences of Austria-Hungary in Eastern Galicia and Bukovina to replace Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet with Latin.

1862 - closing of free Sunday Ukrainian schools for adults in the sub-Russian Ukraine.

1863 - Valuevsky circular banning the censorship of the publication of Ukrainian-language spiritual and popular educational literature: "there was no separate Little Russian language and cannot be."

1864 - the adoption of the Charter on elementary school, according to which instruction was to be conducted only in Russian.

1869 - The introduction of the Polish language as the official language of education and administration of Eastern Galicia.

1870 - clarification of the Minister of Education of Russia D. Tolstoy that “the ultimate goal of the education of all foreigners must be indisputable Russification”.

1876 ​​- Alexander’s Ems decree prohibiting the printing and import of any Ukrainian-language literature from abroad, as well as the prohibition of Ukrainian stage performances and printing of Ukrainian texts under sheet music, that is, folk songs.

1881 - the prohibition of teaching in public schools and the utterance of church sermons in the Ukrainian language.

1884 - prohibition by Alexander III of Ukrainian theater performances in all Little Russian provinces.

1888 - decree of Alexander III on the prohibition of the use of the Ukrainian language in official institutions and the baptism of Ukrainian names.

1892 - ban on translating books from Russian into Ukrainian.

1895 - The Directorate of the Press for the Prohibition of Publishing Ukrainian Books for Children.

1911 - Decree of the XNUMXth Congress of the Nobility in Moscow on exclusively Russian-language education and the inadmissibility of the use of other languages ​​in Russian schools.

1914 - ban on celebrating the 100th anniversary of Taras Shevchenko; decree of Nicholas II on the prohibition of the Ukrainian press.

1914, 1916 - Russification campaigns of Western Ukraine; prohibition of the Ukrainian word, education, church.

1922 - proclamation as part of the leadership of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) and the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of the "theory" of the struggle in Ukraine of two cultures - urban (Russian) and peasant (Ukrainian), in which the first must win.

1924 - The Law of the Republic of Poland on the restriction of the use of the Ukrainian language in administrative bodies, the court, and education in Ukrainian lands subject to Poles.

1924 - the law of the Romanian kingdom on the obligations of all “Romanians” who “lost their mother’s speech” to educate children only in Romanian schools.

1925 - the final closure of the Ukrainian "secret" university in Lviv

1926 - Stalin’s letter “Comrade Kaganovich and other members of the PB Central Committee KP (b) U with the sanction to fight against the "national bias", the beginning of the persecution of the figures of "Ukrainization".

1933 - Stalin's telegram about the termination of "Ukrainization".

1933 - the cancellation in Romania of the ministerial order of December 31, 1929, which allowed several hours of the Ukrainian language per week in schools with most Ukrainian students.

1934 - a special order of the Ministry of Education of Romania on dismissal from work “for hostile attitude towards the state and the Romanian people” of all Ukrainian teachers demanding the return of the Ukrainian language to school.

1938 - Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks “On the compulsory study of the Russian language in schools of national republics and regions”, the corresponding decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR and the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) U.

1947 - Operation Vistula; the resettlement of part of Ukrainians from ethnic Ukrainian lands is "scattered" between the Poles in Western Poland to accelerate their rinsing.

1958 - consolidation in Art. 20 of the Fundamentals of the Legislation of the USSR and Union Republics on public education, provisions on the free choice of the language of instruction, the study of all languages ​​except Russian, at the request of the parents of the students.

1960-1980 - mass closure of Ukrainian schools in Poland and Romania.

1970 - an order to defend dissertations only in Russian.

1972 - a ban by party bodies to celebrate the anniversary of the I. Kotlyarevsky Museum in Poltava.

1973 - prohibition to celebrate the anniversary of the work of I. Kotlyarevsky "Aeneid".

1974 - Resolution of the CPSU Central Committee "On the preparations for the 50th anniversary of the creation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics", which proclaimed the creation of the "new historical community - the Soviet people", the official course on denationalization.

1978 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR “On measures to further improve the study and presentation of the Russian language in the Union republics” (“Brezhnevsky Circular”).

1983 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR “On Additional Measures to Improve the Study of the Russian Language in Secondary Schools and Other Educational Institutions of the Union Republics” (Andropovsky Decree).

1984 - Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR “On the Further Improvement of General Secondary Education of Youth and Improving the Working Conditions of a General School”.

1984 - the beginning in the Ukrainian SSR of payments increased by 15% of salaries to teachers of the Russian language compared to teachers of the Ukrainian language.

1984 - Order of the Ministry of Culture of the USSR on the translation of office work in all museums of the Soviet Union into Russian.

1989 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the "legislative consolidation of the Russian language as a national language."

1990 - adoption by the USSR Supreme Soviet of the Law on the Languages ​​of the Peoples of the USSR, where Russian was granted official status.

On my own behalf, I’ll add: under the USSR, parents could simply write a statement (just!) Addressed to the school director to free their child from learning the Ukrainian language and - waul - you’re not studying it from the next day, and the certificate will say “I haven’t studied it” There were few lessons: Ukrainian language and Ukrainian literature. A couple of times a week. There was more English. Learning Ukrainian began with grade 4 or 5 (!) - I don't remember exactly. And someone will tell me that this is normal ?! In what other republic of the USSR was it possible to do this with the study of your language ?! - yes, not in any !!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: behappy

1926 - Stalin’s letter “Comrade Kaganovich and other members of the PB Central Committee KP (b) U with the sanction to fight against the "national bias", the beginning of the persecution of the figures of "Ukrainization".

And the same Kaganovich, planted the "Ukrainian language", for which more than 100 "teachers" were invited from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, including Hrushevsky. Even the cleaning lady lost her job without a certificate or a certificate of knowledge of "mov".

[behappy]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the same Kaganovich, planted the "Ukrainian language", for which more than 100 "teachers" were invited from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, including Grushevsky

What kind of document, when it was, please share information so that you can find / google. And somehow I can’t somehow without dates and links and names of documents. 100 teachers - it was supposed to be fixed somewhere nevertheless.
Well, the "planting" of the Ukrainian language in the country where they speak it is something not entirely clear (for me at least). Like this?
For example, I can clearly and clearly say that the Ukrainian language and the Russian language (in its modern meaning "Russian") are two different languages. And the formation of these languages ​​was different, and the periods of formation were different, and the speakers (as large groups) were different.
If a document is needed to substantiate my claim, then of course it is available. This is "Lexis" 1596. I think you can afford to find this document. But I will post a link for those who find it hard
https://maxpark.com/community/5134/content/3350499
And Yes, the talk that someone invented the Ukrainian language there (and in the USSR even some manage to write) is, of course, a profanation by distant people. At least having considered the chronology (above), one can no longer say that the language was invented in the USSR or ever (this is of course nonsense), that there was no country (one cannot force several tens of millions to speak the same language, especially when you consider that the Internet ( as an example of the rapid dissemination of information) was not then))) well, etc. everything was slow - on carts or on foot, and even without cell phones and vibe))
Yes, the Ukrainian language was then called "Ruthenian" from Rus. And this Rus was one (and not Kievan, but simply Rus). But here is such an incident)) Today the Russian language and the Russian language are completely different concepts. I hope the document mentioned above will help to make sure of this.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: behappy

Well, the "planting" of the Ukrainian language in the country where they speak it is something not entirely clear (for me at least). Like this?

Search, you will find, everything is on the net. And until 1917, the language was not "Ukrainian", but the Molorossian dialect, but read everything you will find, you will understand everything. Although I figured it out and you don't need it.

[behappy]

All over the world, knowledge of languages ​​is considered normal. And here is straight "one and only"))
What nonsense people have in their heads! For knowledge of other languages ​​and Ukrainian in particular, I suppose, will there be a term in the Criminal Code of the newborn country of "Soviets"? )))))
Apparently, people have no desire not only to learn any languages, but also to learn something in general. And why, it’s more fun to live on humanitarian aid, and you don’t have to do anything, and think too ..
Its own constitution, something else is there .. Funny and sad. When will they introduce their own currency? Culture, as I understand it, is also super different from Ukraine and other countries. )))) Just a buzz, not a country!
Well, nonsense is growing there! Zaboristaya!

[Dart2027]

Quote: behappy

All over the world, knowledge of languages ​​is considered normal. And here is just "one and only"

What is it that all over the world in each country several state languages? Sure? Nobody forbids to teach him, just nobody needs him. And why accept - so the war and the cultural front has not been canceled.

[behappy]

It is said loudly that one language has been approved in the COUNTRY! Sex area without prospects and opportunities. What a cultural front, yo-ma-yo! That's what war is. But why should the brain be completely ruined?

[Dart2027]

Quote: behappy

It is said loudly that one language has been approved in the COUNTRY!

Judging by how some skewed quite loudly.

Quote: behappy

Sex area without prospects and opportunities.

Moscow was not built in a day. The DNI and LNR themselves cannot advance, because there are simply few of them, Russia cannot be openly acting, politics, but things are not getting better.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: behappy

All over the world, knowledge of languages ​​is considered normal. And here is just "one and only"

And in Russia, children are taught in 86 languages, and everything is fine, there are no problems.

[behappy]

Quote: tihonmarine

they learn in 86 languages, and everything is fine, no problems.

so am i about the same.

[gsev]

Quote: behappy

For knowledge of other languages ​​and Ukrainian in particular, I suppose, will there be a term in the Criminal Code of the newborn country of "Soviets"?

I think that simply the Tatars will not be forcibly taught in Bashkir, and the Bashkirs in Tatar, respectively, Russians will be saved from compulsory study of the Tatar or Bashkir.

[Ingvar 72]

I’m sure that in vain. An example needs to be shown, and not rush to the extreme in response.
This step only enhances the split among the people.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And how to react now? Here they unanimously condemned the laws of Ukropia on a single owl, but now what? What to do with rare glimpses of ukroinominovyh?

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What to do with rare glimpses of ukroinominovyh?

How, how ... YES, NO WAY. As they were "loosened up", so let them talk ... no one will interfere with them, no one, I hope, will introduce the "language police"

[Xenofont]

Glimpses will extinguish like not extinguished cigarette butts, to ensure fire safety.

[Caretaker]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What to do with rare glimpses of ukroinominovyh?

The answer can be read in the article under discussion.

... At the same time, it remains possible to receive pre-school and school education in the native (Ukrainian - approx. IN) language, if the parents of the students wish this ...

[Tuzik]

Yes, but before that it was written: "According to the new law adopted by the deputies of the People's Council, education in schools will be conducted ONLY in the state language - Russian."
How do you explain this contradiction?

[anykin]

This is not a contradiction. This is a rule and an addition to it.

[Tuzik]

If an addition, then in the original phrase (in the rule, as you say) the word ONLY does not fit!

[gsev]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What to do with rare glimpses of ukroinominovyh?

There are Georgian schools in Moscow. What is the problem? Who forbids studying the Circassian history, language and culture in the village of Ulyap?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

This step only enhances the split among the people.

If there is a split among the people of Donbas, then it is unlikely, but if between the peoples of Donbas and the people of Ukraine, then it has already happened. Although people live in Donbas and they know better. Here on the site there are guys from Donbas, they will tell.

[Dmitry Ukraine]

I, as a resident of Donbass, absolutely do not understand such a decision. Yes, most of our people are Russian-speaking. Yes, we are opposed to being told at the state level what language to speak. But many people, especially in rural areas, speak Ukrainian here. Why did the DPR leadership now need to become like Kiev pseudo-patriots with such decisions? Although, to be absolutely frank, I think that the current "leaders" of all our countries spat on the people. Since 1991. They do not need our unity, but their money.

[alexmach]

I’m sure that in vain. An example needs to be shown

In my opinion, it does not matter at all.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

In my opinion, it does not matter at all.

Yes, what people want, let that be said, in Russia there are no problems with this.

[primala]

Quote: svp67

Maybe in vain, but they know better there ...

Donbass never spoke "mov".
One hour a week was spent on studying Ukrainian. lang
And there was no village in the Donbass. It is in the 90s that the provinces turned into villages.
It was Yanukovych who began to put things in order (when he "pulled himself up" in the president's chair).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: primaala

Donbass never spoke "mov".
One hour a week was spent on studying Ukrainian. lang

It should have been like that in the Donbas, people from all over the Union lived and worked there, and people lived in other places, both Russians, Ukrainians, and Tuvans, from 18-19 centuries the Poles, Germans, Swedes and others exchanged arms, and lived in villages , but for all, the Russian language uniting us all has become native. At home we spoke both Russian and our own languages, and no one forbade this, but the communication between us was in the same language.

[primala]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: primaala

Donbass never spoke "mov".
One hour a week was spent on studying Ukrainian. lang

It should have been like that in the Donbas, people from all over the Union lived and worked there, and people lived in other places, both Russians, Ukrainians, and Tuvans, from 18-19 centuries the Poles, Germans, Swedes and others exchanged arms, and lived in villages , but for all, the Russian language uniting us all has become native. At home we spoke both Russian and our own languages, and no one forbade this, but the communication between us was in the same language.

===============
Speak correctly. Europeans enjoyed investing in the Donbass. The architecture is preserved from the Belgians. The Germans built after the wows (prisoners).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: primaala

Europeans enjoyed investing in the Donbass. The architecture is preserved from the Belgians. The Germans built after the wows (prisoners).

I didn’t have to be there, but I'm for Donbas.

[primala]

Deleted all the pictures. I found it on the network. That would show some buildings. The Catholic Church has survived. True, only the walls and the roof. Palaces, administrative buildings - all the architectural heritage. To this day they serve. True ... the last time I flew in 2007.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: primaala

True ... the last time I flew in 2007.

Yes, in recent times, you rarely have to visit the "small homeland", and finances and visas, and family, everything limits.

[primala]

At one time I wanted to know about a small homeland. I found old pictures of the city of childhood. I was pleasantly surprised how colorful the story of Donbass is. The architecture has been preserved to this day.
If all the buildings were put in order, I can imagine ... what the cities will look like.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: primaala

If all the buildings were put in order, I can imagine ... what the cities will look like

Good luck to you. Sincerely, Vladimir.

[Dmitry Ukraine]

Do you remember such an actor, director Leonid Bykov? Have you watched the film "Only Old Men Go to Battle"? So he was from Donbass. Together with Kobzon they grew up in Kramatorsk. He probably didn't speak "mov" the same, right? And we have no villages here at all? Come visit, what else can I say ...

[Vyacheslav p]

It was high time to do so.

[Victorio]

they know better of course, but for me, it would be better to do two state languages

[Slavs]

Quote: Victorio

but for me, it would be better to do two state languages

I was born in the USSR. He studied at a Russian school, there were Ukrainian language lessons. There were Ukrainian schools where all subjects were studied in their native language and there were Russian language lessons. Russian was state language in the USSR and this did not stop anyone from knowing their native language in the republics.
Correctly done.

[Victorio]

Quote: Slavs

Correctly done.

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and what, then, in the Crimea, the "mistake" made

[Slavs]

Unfortunately, I cannot answer you. When they made a "mistake", they did not ask me personally, and they would not listen ... I can only express my opinion on the fact of what happened.

[Victorio]

Quote: Slavs

Unfortunately, I cannot answer you. When they made a "mistake", they did not ask me personally, and they would not listen ... I can only express my opinion on the fact of what happened.

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This "mistake" brought to naught numerous speculations, so it would be more logical (?!) to make it in the LDNR. however, given what Ukraine has done in Donbas, such a decision can be understood

[AVA77]

You are about the amendment to the Constitution on the status of the Russian language on the territory of the Russian
federations have heard. And Crimea is an integral part of the Russian Federation.

[igor67]

Quote: Slavs

Quote: Victorio

but for me, it would be better to do two state languages

I was born in the USSR. He studied at a Russian school, there were Ukrainian language lessons. There were Ukrainian schools where all subjects were studied in their native language and there were Russian language lessons. Russian was state language in the USSR and this did not stop anyone from knowing their native language in the republics.
Correctly done.

I also studied at the Soviet Ukrainian school and the Russian language was not state, if you remember the lessons of general science, then the Russian language was the language of interethnic communication, just like that was taught.

[primala]

I was born in the USSR. He studied at a Russian school, there were Ukrainian language lessons. There were Ukrainian schools where all subjects were studied in their native language and there were Russian language lessons. Russian was state language in the USSR and this did not stop anyone from knowing their native language in the republics.
Correctly done. [/ Quote]
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Western Ukraine had Ukrainian schools.
The rest of the "Republic of Ukraine" - subjects were taught only in Russian. And an hour to study the Ukrainian language.

[Victorio]

Quote: primaala

The rest of the "Republic of Ukraine" - subjects were conducted only in Russian. And an hour to learn the Ukrainian language.

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this can not be.
// If you look at the Ukrainian SSR, then there were only three television channels, two of which were broadcast in Ukrainian. If we recall the literature that was published in the Ukrainian language, then only the children's magazine "Veselka" was published in a larger volume than today the entire Ukrainian press taken together.

If you recall how the Ukrainian SSR celebrated the 150th anniversary of Shevchenko’s birth and compare how today he celebrated his bicentennial in Ukraine, then the comparison will not be in the direction of Kiev, ”the deputy said.

He also told how the new Kiev regime is manipulating people, saying that in Ukraine during the Soviet Union it was forbidden to speak the Ukrainian language and oppressed Ukrainians in every way.

“I grew up in the Russian-speaking region in the Odessa region, all of our subjects were taught in Ukrainian, we spoke Russian at breaks, I passed the final exams in Ukrainian, I also passed entrance exams in it.

All this was in Soviet Ukraine at a time when our propaganda says that the Ukrainian language was oppressed and humiliated. Another example of Ukrainian propaganda: the Communist Party allegedly banned the Ukrainian language. My class teacher was the secretary of the party committee of the school and the fact that I now speak fluent Ukrainian is largely due to her, ”said Skorik //.

[primala]

If you were born in Ukraine, you should know in which areas dominated surzhik.
Only in the areas of memory.

[Victorio]

Quote: primaala

If you were born in Ukraine, you should know in which areas dominated surzhik.
Only in the areas of memory.

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no, I was not born there, but the university ended in Odessa. and relatives lived there. and Odessa is not at all western Ukraine.

[primala]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: primaala

If you were born in Ukraine, you should know in which areas dominated surzhik.
Only in the areas of memory.

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no, I was not born there, but the university ended in Odessa. and relatives lived there. and Odessa is not at all western Ukraine.

I forgot about Odessa. But there were very few schools with a Ukrainian bias.

[German Titov]

I'll get into your dialogue a little. There were no language barriers under the "accursed Soviet Union." I graduated from a regular school in Donbass. There were no "Russian" and "Ukrainian" schools. There were schools in rural areas with "in-depth study of the Ukrainian language." He served in the army, worked in the Far East. The language barrier was invented ..... (well, you know who). I can communicate in Ukrainian. But he is not. There is a "movie, govirka". People in Donetsk are polite. We speak simply with the "South Russian dialect".

[Poor]

Surzhik (from the name surzhik - “bread made from flour of a mixture of different types of grain, for example, wheat and rye”) is an idiom (spoken language), which includes elements of the Ukrainian and Russian languages, widespread in Ukraine. If you want to show off linguistic abilities, check yourself first. Surzhik is widespread in areas bordering Russia, but not like not in Western Ukraine. Dialectical division includes dialects, sub-dialects and dialects of Southern Russia in connection with the dialects of Galicia. Adverbs and dialects extend far beyond Ukraine, more than 400 million people speak Slavic languages.

[primala]

Not true. Someone intentionally made a throw into the wiki. Galicia - Poland. It is not connected with the Russian language in any way. Rusichi, which means Ukrainians, spoke as best they could and what they heard. THEY were uneducated (to tie speech). Austro \ Hungarians and Poles mixed their tongue into that surzhik.

[O. Bender]

No Dnepropetrovsk, Aya region, studied at a Ukrainian school in the sense that all subjects were taught in Ukrainian. Russian was taught in the same volume no less. In the western part as well as throughout Ukraine, there were both Ukrainian and Russian schools. Parents sent to Ukrainian because of the strong teacher, soon the composition, and not because of Svidomo. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian. A dictation in Russian when I entered the Academy (Tver), received an excellent mark.

[primala]

It turns out ... in the Donbass, really, there were no Ukrainian schools. But I remember well, when flying to Kiev, no one spoke a mov. Only in Russian. But the closer to the western regions, almost everyone spoke there on a mov. Sometimes it was not clear what ... they were talking about ...

[Igoresha]

as I can’t say with schools, but Lugansk relatives in the USSR bought books in Russian already in Moscow and Leningrad

[primala]

I don’t know such details. Who bought what and where. And especially Lugansk near Donetsk (region). Something you are not talking about. Lugansk and Donetsk are adjacent to the road.

[Slavs]

Quote: primaala

Western Ukraine had Ukrainian schools.
The rest of the "Republic of Ukraine" - subjects were taught only in Russian. And an hour to study the Ukrainian language.

I am from the Zaporozhye region. My friends went to school №2 "Ukrainian", and I went to №3 "Russian". Thank you for telling me about my house, where my relatives still live. Where were you born ? And what year did you go to school?
PS And surzhik is our topic, Southeast))

[Rostovchanin]

Surzhik is a South Russian dialect, it speaks the whole of the North Black Sea region, including the Rostov and Krasnodar Territories, now you can hardly hear in cities, and in almost all villages, especially the elderly. There is an intersection with the Galician mob, but not that coat. And we also say G, and that’s why we are often confused with the Ukrainians, but in fact Ukrainians are duped Russians.

[Dur_mod]

I studied at the Russian school in Kiev, near Ukrainian. My village is in the Vinnitsa region, after the summer he came to Kiev as friends told me- Talk in a clear language, we don’t understand anything, and I was reconstructed for a week, it was also in the village). Once a military convoy drove through the village, one car stopped and the soldier asked, “Where is the well?” And I’m clipping to a new ochym, I don’t understand what he wants from me ... I barely finished it, but a rat (Ukrainian woman). He’s around the corner (angry) to the left)). At driver courses in Poland, Russians and Belarusians quickly begin to understand Ukrainian, as there are a majority of Ukrainians. In Germany, everyone quickly begins to understand Russian - loading, unloading; German - laden, abladen, Polish - doladuvaty, rosaluvaty ...

[asv363]

Document flow in state institutions and departments in which language to keep? The DPR is not so rich in a republic as to keep or increase the staff of civil servants who are fluent in Russian and Ukrainian.

[Valery Valery]

Beauties !!!

[tihonmarine]

The need to adopt amendments to the basic law of the country has long been ripe, since the use of the Ukrainian language as the state language has not found its practical implementation. For most residents of the DPR, the Russian language is native - most of the Donbass not only speak it, but also think

The right decision, you can’t say anything.

[Lord of the Sith]

That is right. Down with the ragul dialect. Personally, even though I know this language, I need it as much as a ballerina's welding machine.
If you know him, then so is the language of the (un) probable adversary.

[Slavs]

Well, sho ... Hai bude ...))

[Lord of the Sith]

Yes, no, high yomu graz, Mova yolopiv and that of a tailed tail, yaki bazhayut revenge, the view of Russia they have dupu peche))

[Slavs]

That from, kume ..)) Sami vinuvati ...)

[iouris]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

If you know him, then so is the language of the (un) probable adversary.

This opponent, as a rule, speaks the everyday Russian language.

[Retvizan 8]

Here Svidomitov now bloomers bloom, from a jet stream!)))

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Prahlad

It is a pity that in 2014 Russia did not go to the end. Now this is the second Transnistria

Who is sorry?
Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of the regions in the future as a result of possible negotiations with mainland Ukraine. As part of Russia, this will be practically impossible.

I agree with you. The recognition and unification of the republics is not done precisely for this reason. For then the opportunity for the republics to occupy their administrative borders will be lost. A subject will appear, with cut off territories, a smaller number, in fact, betraying their citizens, and not appearing in any agreement, even in the Minsk agreements, which would be an untold gift for Kiev. All the blame for breaking the agreement would be withdrawn from the Ukrainian fascists.

[Kronos]

Is there really any hope for administrative boundaries after 6 years?

[Masha]

It only comes to mind ... when we are one -
We are not victorious!
Cohesion is our strength !!!

[awg75]

I absolutely understand that this is correct. but personally, I think that you have to be smarter. in Ukraine there is only one language, we have many. like the stupidest step. right doesn't mean smart.

[Lord of the Sith]

With us, who does it have?

[Roma 1977]

But in Belarus the opposite. Russian trying to supplant mob. The other day, banks received an order to start servicing people on the move. Despite the fact that the vast majority of the population speaks and thinks in Russian.

[iouris]

Quote: Roma-1977

But in Belarus the opposite. Russian trying to supplant mob.

If it succeeds, then later the "mova" will disappear. Absolutely. The slogan of the transition to Mov is an intermediate stage to joining the EU, and there are completely different languages ​​in use. Speaking mov is a marker for citizens who support this disastrous course.

[Prisoner]

Harshly. But why not? Donbass did not start this war, including a language one. I represent the rabies of the Probander part of Ukraine. But for what they fought, they ran into something.

[fa2998]

Quote: Thrall

Remaining separate entities, the DPR and LPR still have a chance to increase to the size of the administrative boundaries of oblasts in

Kiev controls pr. 3 \ 4 of the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk reg., Who will give the territory. And yet.
The republics followed the path of Kiev - they forbid Russian, these Ukrainian. But PEOPLE live there. Studied in Kharkov is a purely Russian city. And I heard the Ukrainian language in Donetsk, I stayed with a classmate, his mother is Ukrainian.

[Chingachguk]

The whole Southeast speaks Russian. I really hope that the day will come that Transnistria and Southeast Ukraine will reunite and become part of the Russian Federation!

[Dr. Sorge]

We envy white envy! Keep it up!

[iouris]

This is an erroneous wording. There are many Russian languages, the state language of the Russian Federation is one. The state language of the Russian Federation is not "the language of a state-forming nation," but the common property of the peoples that make up the people of the Russian Federation. Only highly cultured people speak the state language, from whom (ideally) cadres of state governing bodies should be formed. Today, only a minority of State Duma deputies and officials have mastered the state language at a level that ensures high efficiency of their functions.
Thus, the DPR consolidated its political course towards exiting the former USSR, which became Bandera, and entering the Russian Federation. Officials who did not make the necessary efforts to master the state language headed for the exit from the Russian Federation.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Kronos

Is there really any hope for administrative boundaries after 6 years?

There is nothing eternal in the world. Continuing bacchanalia there will tear into pieces, at least three. And LDNR, of course, will do what they did not finish then. Would they stand and watch how the pieces will fall, some to Poland, others to Hungary .... And the rest will blaze worse than now.

[Uncle Izya]

Donbass just historical was not Ukrainian,

[iouris]

Historically, there was nothing Ukrainian (from the word at all). Ukraine was invented in 1918 in order to maintain power in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

[Uncle Izya]

No invented Austria-Hungary and implemented the Bolsheviks

[Avior]

They came up with, and then they informed Pushkin a hundred years ago ....

. Everywhere she became famous
She is a modest and reasonable girl.
But enviable grooms
She sends Ukraine and Russia

[Dart2027]

Quote: Avior

She sends Ukraine and Russia

She sends Ukraineйon and Russia
Ukraine (obsolete. Ukraine, Ukraine [1], in later sources the outskirts, okrajna [2]) - in Russia until the XNUMXth century the name of the military borderland and land located at the border with dangerous neighbors similar to Western European brands (from lat. Margo “ edge "). The population of these lands, subjected to frequent raids, was called in Russia by Ukrainians, Ukrainians, Ukrainians or Ukrainian people.
Pushkin had something else in mind.

[Avior]

Pushkin had in mind exactly that part of the land that is now called Ukraine
And, note, Pushkin has a separate concept of Ukraine, Russia a separate
And Russia had enough dangerous neighbors from all sides, from the Swedes to Napoleon and beyond.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Avior

Pushkin had in mind exactly that part of the land that is now called Ukraine

But not a state Ukraine. These are very different things.

[Avior]

Yes. Here you are completely right.
And when Russia wrote there, he also did not mean the Russian Empire, and even more so the State of the Russian Federation, which arose simultaneously with the state of Ukraine
Or are you also among those who are sure that such a court of law is still not there?
Then

[Dart2027]

Quote: Avior

Or are you also among those who are sure that such a court of law is still not there?

It is on the map, but in fact it is not. We can say that the state of Ukraine lasted until the Maidan. Now there is a US colony, and this is somewhat different.

[Roma 1977]

Not certainly in that way. For example, the same Taras Shevchenko did not consider Galicia to be Ukraine. And besides "Ukraine" there were also Slobozhanshchina, Novorossiya, etc.

[iouris]

Quote: Dart2027

Pushkin had something else in mind.

And I only meant that there was no state of Ukraine and it is impossible not in Russia.

[iouris]

Quote: Avior

and then they informed Pushkin a hundred years ago ...

But to the Ukrainian Gogol, the Polish gentry and part-time great Russian writer, ideologist of the autocracy, an Orthodox preacher, Pushkin's acquaintance, who lived on the money of the heir to the future tsar, what was reported?

[Avior]

The same as Pushkin. And the great Tolstoy, too, by the way.

NV Gogol "Terrible revenge": "There is no order in Ukraine: the colonels and the Esauls are fighting among themselves like dogs."
A.P. Chekhov. Letter to I. Leontiev: "So, I am going to Ukraine, and you, crocodile, remain in the tundra."

Leo Tolstoy "War and Peace": "Bagration does not join for a long time (although this is the main goal of all commanding persons) because it seems to him that he is putting his army in danger on this march and that it is most profitable for him to retreat to the left and south, harassing the enemy from the flank and rear and completing his army in Ukraine. "

But why did Pushkin not suit you?
The concept of Little Russia was, and the concept of Ukraine was also.
Not exactly the same thing, by the way.

[Igoresha]

What will the Venice Commission on Language say?

[iouris]

Probably the same as the Genoese. This is an internal Russian question. It must be decided by the Russians. If they don’t decide, there will be no Russians.

[iouris]

Quote: primaala

Ukrainian is an artificially invented language.

It is impossible to artificially create a language. This language is a dialect. There are many dialects of the Russian language, but there is only one root. This was noticed, for example, by Dahl. He identified and investigated many (not only linguistic) differences between the population of even the various provinces of Great Russia. The formation of dialects took place on economically and geographically relatively isolated communities of the population that makes up the people of a vast empire. The population of even Great Russia was included in a single state with a center in Moscow not once, but for centuries. For example, Smolensk and even Tver were part of neighboring states.

[Avior]

. It is impossible to artificially create a language.

As much as possible. No problem, Esperanto is an example
But how can Ukrainian be a dialect of Russian, if Ukrainian has been known unchanged since the 18th century, Kotlyarevsky can help you, and modern Russian was formed already under Pushkin, and Lomonosov, for example, was still studying Smotrytsky Grammar?

[Victorio]

Quote: Avior

. It is impossible to artificially create a language.

As much as possible. No problem, Esperanto is an example
And how can Ukrainian be a dialect of Russian, if Ukrainian is practically unchanged from 18 century known, Kotlyarevsky to help you, and modern Russian was formed already under Pushkin, and Lomonosov, for example, studied even the Grammar of Smotrytsky?

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and before the 18th century, what language was the territory of modern Ukraine, and what was it called? probably Russian. and if the Russian language once and somehow changed (changing now, how many English words are introduced (((), but remained Russian.

[Avior]

The modern literary Russian that we speak is finally formed at the turn of the 20th century as a result of several reforms and the efforts of many people, including Lomonosov and Pushkin, before that it was noticeably different

A modern Ukrainian preserved preserved from the time of Kotlyarevsky

[Victorio]

Quote: Avior

The modern literary Russian that we speak is finally formed at the turn of the 20th century as a result of several reforms and the efforts of many people, including Lomonosov and Pushkin, before that it was noticeably different. Modern Ukrainian has survived from the time of Kotlyarevsky

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no need to side and repeat. the question was this:
and before the 18th century, what language was the territory of modern Ukraine, and what was it called? probably russian

[Avior]

Probably Ukrainian
Or Little Russian
Or something like that
And the one who is called Russian now did not speak the language that we are now, I gave an example for you to get rid of the error that in the 19th century they spoke the same language as we are now .
the one we are talking now is called Russian literary.
Do you want to draw conclusions about the modern language from the terminology of the 18-19th century? So this is a fallacy.
In the 19th century, the one who is now called Russian was spoken using the Zhivago Velukaru language, and we now speak literary Russian, I specially cited an example to show the difference.

[Victorio]

Quote: Avior

Probably Ukrainian
Or Little Russian
Or something like that

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he called himself Russian. Russian.

[petrol cutter]

Honestly, I generally lost the thread of thought in terms of what is happening.
The Russian Federation claims that the republic is the territory of UA. And no one disputes or discusses this.
UA- claims to be a unitary enterprise. And options should not be expected here.
There comes a constructive dissonance - what is happening?
Some laws are being adopted that are not accepted for execution either there or here. What is the meaning of these decrees ?!

[German Titov]

I don't care about horse racing. I live in Donetsk (DPR). Do you think the protest actions near the monument to T.G. Shevchenko will be? I'm all for !!!

[Tuzik]

Is there any political movement going on there? Or complete calmness?

[German Titov]

Quote: Igoresha

What will the Venice Commission on Language say?

We are very worried about this! When "lava will land", - "The Venice Commission of G. Derzhavin will quote. WADA will greet Russian athletes with tears of joy.

[primala]

The network is buzzing. People write: "Verka Serduchka for the presidency !!!"
(news on Yandex).

[Red Dragon]

Very sorry. The "independent republics" are increasingly turning into proud bantustans, led by the wonderful leaders of the Great MMM like Pushilin. Russian ponad mustache!

[Seregarodionov]

I propose that the head of the Dnieper and all dumas to consider the law that white is white.

[Dzafdet]

Our Foreign Ministry does not catch mice. Why do not we require the EU to respect the rights of Russian speakers in the country 404? It is necessary to fill up their bodies with protests. A country in which 80% of the population speaks Russian is forced to distort their language and speak Surzhik ...

[iouris]

Quote: Dzafdet

Our Foreign Ministry does not catch mice.

He didn’t notice the elephant.

[PValery53]

"The DPR approved the Russian language as the only state language"
- Finally, Donbass reciprocated with Ukraine. Now let them "scratch themselves".

[Lontus]

The Ukrainian language was not touched in the DPR. The Ukrainian inscriptions were not removed, the books were not thrown away. "Come on it will be." Again, why offend people? What if someone speaks Ukrainian? "Yes, let him."
And they removed it for about the same reasons from which they throw old skis from the balcony, or there is a pot with a long-dried cactus.
That is, it suddenly comes - the thing is ABSOLUTELY NOT USED, stands, takes up space. Why is he? Yes, why not. Well, they threw it out. Absolutely without the pathos of "victory" or even "deliverance" - they just throw it away like rubbish.

[Brigadier]

Well done!
Bandera fascism will not work! No pasaran!