Save Patsaev

Save Patsaev

Does the name “Space Research Service of the Marine Expeditionary Work Department of the USSR Academy of Sciences” say anything to you? Under the pennant of the USSR Academy of Sciences from the 60s to the mid 90s of the XNUMXth century, ships equipped with telemetry receiving and control equipment from spacecraft, as well as communication systems with the control center, went to the ocean. In fact, these vessels were floating measuring points, similar to land. Being in the ocean, they significantly expanded the capabilities of the MCC to receive information from orbit, to communicate with astronauts, and sometimes to control spacecraft flying out of sight of ground stations.


Question: What does Military Review have to do with the topic of the Academy of Sciences and its courts?

Everything is simple. And difficult. Belonging to the Academy of Sciences is the cover legend of the 9th Separate Marine Command-Measuring Complex, or, briefly, the 9th OMKIK as part of the Main Department of Space Facilities under the Ministry of Defense. In long voyages, up to 9-11 months, the AN pennant allowed these vessels to call at foreign ports for bunkering, replenishing food supplies and resting people. People are the crew and the so-called expedition. The crew was recruited from sailors of the Baltic and Black Sea shipping companies, and expedition members from officers and employees of the Soviet Army. And, as it should be in the army, the expedition had its own number of the military unit and commander - the chief of the expedition. The legend, as well as the civilian clothes of the expedition members, few people misled in the ports of call. From a newspaper article: “Today such and such a research vessel has entered our port. The head of the expedition is Colonel such and such. ”

Vessels fleet the space service is involved in all significant events in the national space industry: the flight of Yuri Gagarin, the launch of automatic stations to Venus and Mars, the launch of hundreds of communications and navigation satellites, military and scientific satellites. These ships accompanied the lunar program of the USSR, the program of manned flights, the test of the unmanned reusable spacecraft Buran.


Well, that’s understandable. And what is Patsaev? What should he be saved from? And why?

The fleet of the space service by 1990 totaled 11 vessels. One of them is Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin. The ship, built in 1971, could still be considered the largest of all such. Today, out of these 11, only Cosmonaut Viktor Patsayev remains. The rest between 1990 and 2005 were scrapped.


But Patsaev, in 1996, falling into the hands of the Russian Space Agency (now Roscosmos), was unemployed for a long time, in 2001 it was at the berth of the World Ocean Museum in Kaliningrad, and since 2003 even worked - standing at the berth the connection of the ISS Russian segment with the MCC, while attracting the public with an unusual “space” appearance.

But about five years ago, it became clear that Roscosmos would no longer need Patsayev’s services and then he would have one way - to scrappage. Unique, the only thing left - to be scrapped! Veterans decided that this was unacceptable and took action. With the funds raised by them, they conducted a historical and cultural examination, and in 2016 Patsayev became an object of cultural heritage of the peoples of Russia. It seems that they were saved from destruction.

When in 2017 Roscosmos did not need it, the veterans had to solve the problem: how not only to save the ship, but also to make a monument of Russian cosmonautics and special shipbuilding out of it, how to equip the space service fleet museum about which we dreamed. Roscosmos, to his shame, categorically rejected this idea. Ministry of Culture - too.

At this moment, the military responded to the call of the veterans. ZapVO Commander A. Kartapolov, now Deputy Minister of Defense, visited Kaliningrad, saw Patsayev and said: “Let's take Patriot Park to Kronstadt.” Still would! 120 places in cabins for juniors, a galley, a gym, many rooms for training classes and exhibitions, and, most importantly, fully equipped laboratories with many racks of telemetry, satellite and HF communications reception and processing equipment that recently worked on the ISS, a single-time system ... This is how popular Patsaeva shines; stand on Ust-Rogatka in Kronstadt!

Two years have passed since then. In 2018, both the Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces and the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed: Patsaev will be accepted into the Patriot park. We began to work out plans for the transfer and acceptance. The owner, JSC NPO Measuring Techniques, prepared documents for the gratuitous transfer of the ship to the military. And ... it got up.

“Patriot” took shape as a legal entity only at the beginning of 2019. Its staff and budget for 2020 are at a minimum. He cannot accept Patsaev.

The 2020th has come.

In February, at the Maritime College, representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy announced to the question about “Patsaev”: “We cannot accept Patsaev.” Expensive repairs are required. ” And they call the amount - 2,5 billion rubles.

Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces V. Gerasimov answers the veterans: the military is ready to accept the ship, but it has already been repaired and museified. Moreover, the task of repair and museumification is shifted to the government of the Kaliningrad region, the Ministry of Culture and the Russian Space Agency. In Russian, this is called a "freebie."

A similar answer comes from the Main Military-Political Directorate, headed by A. Kartapolov, who in 2017 encouraged us (his words at a personal meeting: “We will succeed”).

Like this. Two years ago, the Ministry of Defense agreed to accept “Patsayev”, without putting forward any additional conditions for the donor. Two years ago, deputy. Baltic Fleet Commander S. Eliseev called the cost of repairs - up to 100-150 million rubles.

Now the Ministry of Defense is backing down. Where did the amount of 2,5 billion come from? Apparently, from the ceiling, since no estimates or estimates of the cost of repairs were made by anyone.

Dead end? So, what is next?

Continue what you started. We do not have many opportunities. Only letters to the government, to the ministries and departments sent about a hundred. Most of the answers, as usual, are unsubscribing. During personal meetings (with V. Medinsky, A. Kartapolov, S. Eliseev) we were told what we wanted to hear. However, we found support from the media, the ONF and the State Duma deputies (S. Govorukhin, V. Lysakov, V. Tereshkova, R. Romanenko, E. Serova).

In general, we will still fight.

Patsaev must live. Live like a museum and monument and serve people. Otherwise, all the words about fostering respect for stories their country and patriotism will remain only words.
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  1. Amateur 6 March 2020 06: 31 New
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    This ship is one of the last symbols of the triumph of Soviet space. And this is why it hurts the eyes of all sorts of "shit and whistleblower of the totalitarian regime." And so they will cut the ship, take another shot like "Time of the First" and gradually begin to teach our grandchildren that the first in space was not Yu.A. Gagarin, but A. Shepard,
    And the USSR sent its astronauts by decision of the CPSU Central Committee "for slaughter." "Come back - well done, and perish - reward posthumously."
    1. Glory1974 6 March 2020 08: 36 New
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      I agree with you that you must save the ship. Use it for training, various circles and sections. Well and of course as a symbol of the triumph of cosmonautics and the power of the USSR.
      About "for slaughter" it seems to me that you have enough. hi
      1. Amateur 6 March 2020 08: 39 New
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        About "for slaughter" it seems to me that you have enough

        Have you watched Time of the First carefully? When do “queens” and “Brezhnevs” watch movies in the Kremlin Palace? "Slaughter" is not in life, but in this film. For some reason, some decided that my comments were about Soviet cosmonautics, and not about the film.
        1. Glory1974 6 March 2020 08: 49 New
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          Have you watched Time of the First carefully? When do “queens” and “Brezhnevs” watch movies in the Kremlin Palace? "Slaughter" is not in life, but in this film.

          Honestly, I don’t remember this scene.
          some decided that my comments were about Soviet cosmonautics, not about the film.

          As you wrote, you understand.
          In general, if we talk about the accents placed in feature films, I agree with you that the minor spitting of the past leaves a bad aftertaste even after watching good films
          1. Amateur 6 March 2020 08: 54 New
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            As you wrote, you understand.

            they’ll take another shot like "Time of the First" and gradually begin to accustom our grandchildren that the first in space was not Yu.A. Gagarin, but A. Shepard, and the USSR sent its cosmonauts according to the decision of the CPSU Central Committee "for slaughter."

            If you do not pull the words out of context, then in my opinion it is clear what this is about.
            1. 210ox 6 March 2020 12: 21 New
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              We didn’t know what Brezhnev and Korolev said in reality. However, they, and the whole cosmonaut corps, understood the degree of risk. People were ready to die for the prestige of the country. By the way, I liked the film. By the essence of the article. Yes, of course the ship needs to be saved .By the way, these ships carried intelligence functions.
              1. bessmertniy 6 March 2020 12: 29 New
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                If you need to musicize a ship, then no money is needed either - to give to a particular school. The guys will be interested, and there will be sponsors. And the budget will save unfortunate pennies, which are enough to turn the ship into a museum.
                1. NordUral 6 March 2020 13: 26 New
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                  It may be so, Victor, but with the help and financing of the state, maybe it will come back with us during my lifetime.
              2. Amateur 6 March 2020 12: 40 New
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                And by the way I liked the film.

                P.I. Belyaev and A.A. Leonov accomplished an outstanding feat. Spacewalking and manual landing are quite worthy of eternal memory, admiration for their courage, professionalism and implementation on the screen. But they did NOT FREEZE in the taiga. They landed 80 km. from the city of Berezniki, Perm region! What Siberian taiga ?? They were discovered after 4 hours. Why lie.
                This is another attempt to belittle the significance of their feat.
                1. Mastrer 6 March 2020 19: 21 New
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                  Specifically, the finale of the film is more likely a tribute to the modern "cinema Ideas." How so, heroically overcame a bunch of problems, passions, all things. And are the astronauts just landing? It’s not Hollywood ...
  2. maidan.izrailovich 6 March 2020 07: 58 New
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    Where did the amount of 2,5 billion come from?

    From where, from where? From the camel. This camel apparently wants to become a billionaire.
    Pure water corruption theme looms.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 March 2020 12: 18 New
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      Sorry, colleague, but you are not a prosecutor and can, from a technical point of view, also need to do something expensive to repair. Everything can be. And you think like a former military prosecutor. I wasn’t wrong?
  3. pilot69 6 March 2020 08: 04 New
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    The school in which he studied is named after Volkov, Dobrovolsky and Patsaev. As for the "slaughter" I bet. The EMNIP depressurization occurred due to a crumbled bypass valve that was not tightened at the factory. Every year, relatives and colleagues spent and commemorated our country, one of them told.
  4. Glory1974 6 March 2020 08: 41 New
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    Being in the ocean, they significantly expanded the capabilities of the MCC to receive information from orbit, to communicate with astronauts, and sometimes to control spacecraft flying out of sight of ground stations.

    I am amazed at what group of ships and ships were kept in the USSR to ensure space flights.
    I do not want to seem biased, but recently I became interested in the US flight to the moon. But I didn’t read in any source that the Americans had something similar. They literally had 2-3 ships that caught astronauts from the water after landing and that’s all. Maybe the data about the ship’s constellation are still classified. But as they say, feel the difference.
    1. Alex_59 6 March 2020 09: 08 New
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      Quote: glory1974
      But I didn’t read in any source that the Americans had something like that.

      The Americans have a different situation. They have many ground-based tracking stations outside the United States. For example, Diego Garcia, Hawaii and other Pacific islands. There are space tracking objects in Turkey, Spain, the UK, and Norway. The Union, without such stations, was twisted out by the "space fleet". In fact, these were artificial floating islands with antennas.
      And for that matter, the Americans did not provide for the landing of astronauts by forces of 2-3 ships. Actually, when landing in the ocean, several AUGs and AUGs were displayed along the probable landing trajectory. It is possible 2-3 ships were close to the actual landing site and participated in the astronauts aboard, but not only 2-3 ships were ready to save them.
      And I recommend reading Kurochkin’s book, "The area closed to swimming." It is very cool painted about our space fleet. It is read as an adventure novel about sailors. Probably those who served on these ships had one of the most fascinating and at the same time heavy types of service. Frying for months in the endless ocean, in the tropical heat, in a metal box is not the most pleasant occupation.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 March 2020 12: 14 New
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        I read Kurochkin’s book. Fine! Recommend.
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021 7 March 2020 05: 41 New
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        "Ultimate range" is another book by Anatoly Mikhailovich Kurochkin, about Yuri Ivanovich Maksyut, the first commander of the TOGE compound ..... He himself served on Spassk .....
      3. GTYCBJYTH2021 7 March 2020 05: 46 New
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        "Marshal Krylov" remained alive from the space fleet, in Vladik was under repair and modernization .... The elder brother of "Krylov" - "Marshal Nedelin" - burned, decays and plundered .....
    2. valpro24 6 March 2020 09: 35 New
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      Such a number of bases as the USA did not have in the USSR. Therefore, in the USSR, these ships existed.

      The astronauts were caught by ordinary ships of the United States Navy, usually aircraft carriers. And to participate in the tests of ICBMs and space tracking. since the 50s, there have been a total of 25 specialized ships in the USA.
    3. donavi49 6 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      The Americans went the other way, they got hold of vassals. A vassal is better than any ship. NASA provides coverage through ground stations located around the world.


      China, by the way, follows the Soviet path and builds ships.

      1. A.TOR 6 March 2020 16: 31 New
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        Not vassals, but partners whom. By the way, they pay good money for finding stations. And everyone wants to have such sources of income on their territory.
        1. AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 17: 19 New
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          Precisely vassals. Partnership involves equality.
          1. A.TOR 6 March 2020 22: 43 New
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            Equality in what? In your head, sorry, the mess is complete. Countries cooperate in different areas, nothing more. Including and in space communications and surveillance.
    4. NordUral 6 March 2020 13: 29 New
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      They had literally 2-3 ships that caught astronauts from the water after landing and that’s all.

      And the Apollo capsules were splashed to them almost on the deck ...
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  6. prior 6 March 2020 11: 47 New
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    Back in 1975, after an ice storm, the port city of Ilyichevsk was left without light.
    Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin entered the port, connected to the port substation and lit and warmed the whole city with its generators. Even in the port, part of the mechanisms and cranes worked. Strength!
    And what a handsome man he was!
    And we were proud that we had a chance to see such a ship.
    And now.................
  7. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 March 2020 12: 12 New
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    You need to save a unique ship. Without disputes and discussions. And the point.
  8. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 March 2020 12: 21 New
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    We were the first in space. This is undeniable. And the ship must be saved! A museum or not a museum - save and point.
  9. Radikal 6 March 2020 14: 06 New
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    Quote: prior
    Back in 1975, after an ice storm, the port city of Ilyichevsk was left without light.
    Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin entered the port, connected to the port substation and lit and warmed the whole city with its generators. Even in the port, part of the mechanisms and cranes worked. Strength!
    And what a handsome man he was!
    And we were proud that we had a chance to see such a ship.
    And now.................

    I agree. At one time, when they rested in Odessa, they admired him. yes
  10. Akuzenka 6 March 2020 17: 14 New
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    Patsaev must live. Live like a museum and monument and serve people. Otherwise, all words about fostering respect for the history of your country and patriotism will remain only words.

    You're not right!!!! Soviet patriotism must KEEP !!!!! Otherwise, against the background of even the miserable remnants of the Soviet heritage, modern ones are not visible at all. And this is a direct challenge to the hegemony of capitalism in Russia. Slaves should be proud of Russian, not Soviet. Therefore, the "Cosmonaut Patsaev" is doomed. A lot has been destroyed before him and will be after. Do not even hope. Under capitalism, such miracles do not happen.
    1. Sergey S. 7 March 2020 23: 39 New
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      Quote: AKuzenka
      against the background, even the miserable remnants of the Soviet heritage, modern ones are not visible at all.

      Keywords.
      Techies understand.
  11. Scharnhorst 6 March 2020 17: 15 New
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    Who knows what iron he served, sailed or rode !? Look around, in the courtyard of crisis and war! In crucial moments, Peter the Great melted copper bells from churches into cannons, people donated family silver to tanks and planes for the front and so on and so forth in the Great Patriotic War. If you want a museum - collect funds from those who care and do not go into state bins ...
    1. Sergey S. 7 March 2020 23: 44 New
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      Quote: Scharnhorst
      Look around, in the courtyard of crisis and war! In crucial moments, Peter the Great melted copper bells from churches into cannons, people donated family silver to tanks and planes for the front and so on and so forth in the Great Patriotic War. If you want a museum - collect funds from those who care and do not go into state bins ...

      The fact of the matter is that war.
      The war is for the souls of people, and through them, for resources and world hegemony.
      In this war, "Cosmonaut Victor Patsaev" is a fighter, strengthening souls and instilling confidence in our capabilities.
      The fighter must be saved for future battles, until Victory,
      Until our victory!
  12. vladimych 6 March 2020 17: 39 New
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    I worked on Patsaev in 1987, hanging out in the Atlantic, across from Argentina.
  13. bandabas 6 March 2020 19: 08 New
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    Breaking, do not build! The first we have learned to do perfectly hi . If our guarantor believes that in October 1917 there was a coup d'etat (this is about the state that nurtured him), what can I say?
  14. Al Asad 6 March 2020 20: 53 New
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    Handsome !!!!
  15. Talgat 148 6 March 2020 21: 55 New
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    Cosmonaut Patsayev is our fellow countryman, from Kazakhstan !!!
    Save the ship is necessary !!!
  16. demo 6 March 2020 22: 06 New
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    Otherwise, all words about fostering respect for the history of your country and patriotism will remain only words.
    I have always been struck by the faith of our people in justice.
    And it always struck the callousness of the same people of ours.
    How in one nation two extremes can coexist - a riddle.
  17. Caretaker 6 March 2020 22: 31 New
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    "Like that. Two years ago, the Ministry of Defense agreed to accept Patsayev, without putting forward any additional conditions for the donor. Two years ago, the deputy commander of the Baltic Fleet S. Eliseev called the cost of repairs - up to 100-150 million rubles."
    Probably, during these two "ownerless" years the condition of the ship has changed. There were only precious metals ... a lot. Something is lost, something is worthless. How now to accept the balance, what to indicate in the act? Who will carry out the dismantling of old equipment and preparations for museumification? What if someone accidentally breaks devices containing mercury or radioactive materials? “Patsaev” cannot stand against the wall without a crew; these are also expenses and not small.
    PS All of the above does not contradict the statement
    Patsaev must live. To live like a museum and a monument and serve people. Otherwise, all words about fostering respect for the history of your country and patriotism will remain only words.

    But this is not a simple and very expensive business. Tea is not a torpedo boat raised in Sevastopol, there will be more.
  18. Caretaker 6 March 2020 22: 33 New
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    ...Like this. Two years ago, the Ministry of Defense agreed to accept “Patsaev”, without putting forward any additional conditions for the donor. Two years ago, deputy. Baltic Fleet Commander S. Eliseev called the cost of repairs - up to 100-150 million rubles ...

    Probably, during these two "ownerless" years the condition of the ship has changed. There were only precious metals ... a lot. Something is lost, something is worthless. How now to accept the balance, what to indicate in the act? Who will carry out the dismantling of old equipment and preparations for museumification? What if someone accidentally breaks devices containing mercury or radioactive materials? “Patsaev” cannot stand against the wall without a crew; these are also expenses and not small.
    PS All of the above does not contradict the statement
    Patsaev must live. To live like a museum and a monument and serve people. Otherwise, all words about fostering respect for the history of your country and patriotism will remain only words.

    But this is not a simple and very expensive business. Tea is not a torpedo boat raised in Sevastopol, there will be more.
    1. valpro24 7 March 2020 13: 22 New
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      You are mistaken. Two years were not ownerless. At a minimum, but the ship was serviced, and the equipment - under lock and alarm. So, everything is intact. This is the trick - to show the public how it was arranged and worked. You can twist the antennas, show telemetry records, records of astronauts conversations with the MCC. About mercury and radioactivity. the materials are nonsense. They are not there
      1. Caretaker 7 March 2020 22: 31 New
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        Quote: valpro24
        About mercury and radioactivity. the materials are nonsense. They are not there

        No mercury in appliances - do not compose.
        There is no danger to children and adolescents on board - you have not worked with children.

        In your opinion, what crew (approximately) is required to operate this vessel as a museum complex? Just wondering.
        1. valpro24 8 March 2020 15: 01 New
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          About mercury - these are your assumptions or you know exactly where, in what devices it is on Patsaev. If you know, let me know. It is important. Or wanted to flood?
          Dangers on any ship are not only for children and adolescents. Therefore, children went to Patsaev and go only under supervision.
          The crew and museum workers are different categories. At Patsayev, while he worked at the pier and visitors to the World Ocean Museum were brought to him, the crew consisted of about 10 people, excluding engineers who worked with the equipment. I.e., captain, old man, old man, mechanics, electrician, boatswain, watchmen, supply manager ...
          1. Caretaker 9 March 2020 11: 45 New
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            Quote: valpro24
            The crew and museum workers are different categories.

            Aurora is a museum, but it has a crew, plus extra-departmental security.
            On the "Patsaev" a crew of 10 people, as you say, plus engineers, probably there are other "pluses".
            Those. salary of 15-20 qualified employees, plus operating and maintenance costs.
            Quote: valpro24
            About mercury - these are your assumptions or ...

            Or. You are not an engineer.
            Do not dwell on mercury; this is not the main danger.

            You have no specifics, only emotions.
            According to the principle "THEY are all bad!"
            Any attempt at discussion is perceived almost as a proposal to flood the ship.
            1. valpro24 9 March 2020 13: 23 New
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              The specifics is that I worked for several years as an engineer on a similar vessel, on Dobrovolsky, and I know him well, and in recent years I have been working with other veterans on the case of Patsaev - saving him.
              I specifically asked about mercury on the Patsev in order to eliminate this danger, if any. No answer..
              1. Caretaker 9 March 2020 14: 09 New
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                Quote: valpro24
                I specifically asked about mercury on the Patsev in order to eliminate this danger, if any. No answer..

                The presence of mercury, precious metals and radioactive materials is indicated in the documentation for the devices. It is strange that you, as an engineer, were not interested in this issue. How do you dispose of faulty parts and devices, send them overboard, or just throw them in the trash?
  19. pafegosoff 7 March 2020 10: 17 New
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    Everything goes to the point that the tanks after the 75th anniversary of the Victory will be removed from the pedestals and the Aurora and the Krasin will be sawn for scrap.
    Capitalism!
    Dzerzhinsky was hanged by the neck, Stalin was pecking constantly, but what kind of Yolkin-centrium was built and Solzhenitsyn's tales instead of Gaidar and Nikolai Ostrovsky were taught in schools!
    Missiles without ships and without science fly if they are sprayed with holy water. In addition, the Earth is now flat, you have to fly and swim along the loxodrome, and Greta Tumberg rules the European Parliament and the UN ...
  20. Andy 7 March 2020 13: 12 New
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    This is how popular Patsayeva shines; stand on Ust-Rogatka in Kronstadt!


    so what? destroyer restless in Kronstadt can not really open to visit.
    1. valpro24 7 March 2020 13: 30 New
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      I was inside the Restless. There are many things to do. Latrines zaz..rany. But something is already quite decent: a cabin-company, an admiral's cabin, a bridge ... That is why more people go to the top. And on “Patsaev” everything is much better. I was there and spent the night more than once. Although of course, when the ship is not busy and there are almost no people on it, it gets worse.
      1. Andy 7 March 2020 13: 39 New
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        I was also, but on the deck. lucky. there is no working time or order, we want to open it, but we want to, no. and close when we want. and there was a series of news saying the ship-museum opens ...
  21. valpro24 8 March 2020 15: 24 New
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    Quote: Alex_59
    Frying for months in the endless ocean, in the tropical heat, in a metal box is not the most pleasant occupation.
    In general, it is true, until they began to build specialized ships. At first (“Krasnodar”, “Voroshilov” and the first four TOGE-4 ships) the conditions were terrible. It was also that some did not withstand life in a confined space for six months and up to 11 months (and it was!). They left. But in general, those who resisted remember that time with warmth. Do not regret.
    This is why the museum is needed: to show not only what these ships are for, but how and in what conditions people worked for them.
  22. DED_peer_DED 9 March 2020 00: 21 New
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    The defeatists -



  23. valpro24 9 March 2020 13: 09 New
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    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
    "Marshal Nedelin" -burned, rotting and plundered .....

    He died in the 99th
    1. Corsair 14 March 2020 01: 00 New
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      Quote: valpro24
      He died in the 99th

      What they had, did not value ...
  24. Old26 9 March 2020 18: 21 New
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    Quote: Amateur
    They were discovered after 4 hours. Why lie

    And they saved through EMNIP for two days. The helicopter could not land because of the trees. While the group landed, while it reached the landing site, time passed. And I had to wait the night in the forest. With PM as a weapon. It was after this that Leonov's idea of ​​weapons for astronauts was born
  25. valpro24 9 March 2020 19: 02 New
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    Quote: Caretaker

    The presence of mercury, precious metals and radioactive materials is indicated in the documentation for the devices. It is strange that you, as an engineer, were not interested in this issue. How do you dispose of faulty parts and devices, send them overboard, or just throw them in the trash?
    Stop flooding. If you know the answer to the question - answer. I - I know, I saw the statements. There is no mercury. Dot.