The story of the Dutch landing in the Donbass fueled interest in the trial in the case of MH17


There was a question that our readers asked to answer. Was there a plan for a landing of the Dutch army in Ukraine? More precisely, on the territory of the fall of the downed civilian Boeing. Did the Dutch plan to establish control over the crash site to fully collect all the wreckage and testimony?


I will answer right away. Yes, such a plan existed. I don’t know the details of this plan. Yes, it doesn’t matter. We assume that the observance of the secrecy regime in the army of the Netherlands is at the highest level.

Why am I sure that such a plan existed? Yes, simply because in uncertain political situations the headquarters prepares several scenarios of hostilities at once, depending on the changing situation on a particular theater. And secondly, the military of the Netherlands are exactly the same EU citizens as almost all Europeans, and they are subjected to propaganda “shelling” in the same way as everyone else.

Do not forget that the case took place in July 2014. It was then that the Malaysian Boeing was shot down. Remember what happened then in the Donbass? Remember the state of the Armed Forces and the Republican Army? The situation through the eyes of Europeans looked like a living confirmation of everything that they were told by the media about the Russian army, about the Ukrainian army, about militias. Only the Russian army already had a “detoxifier” of the operation in Ossetia, and there was no such “detoxifier” behind the opposing sides in Donbass.

The Europeans had the confidence that technical superiority and more modern weapons were the key to victory in battle. But there were also active military operations in the Donbass, about which the intelligence of NATO, and consequently, of the Netherlands, knew not only from maps about the battles in this region, but also from the numerous exploits of the soldiers from both sides. After all, then it was all. And on both sides. Under Tanks threw themselves with grenades, undermined themselves so as not to be captured, went to hand-to-hand combat ...

We should not forget that to this day it affects citizens of NATO member countries, and Ukrainians as well. Confidence that behind them stands the entire military power of the United States and Europe. And there is no country that would risk confronting this power. Microbial countries acted like a jackal of Tobacco from Mowgli. Insolence was caused by the tiger Sherkhan behind.

Of course, the story that the plan was not realized just because the brigade was on training in Portugal today looks like a number from the KVN. How does a normal army even after the exercises, proved Russian soldiers in Ossetia. Well, the great Dutch warriors collapsed a little.

It is understood that if this plan is implemented, both sides will grind them into powder. And the life of the paratroopers will not be measured in days, hours or minutes, but in the speed of artillery calculations and MLRS calculations. And the famous American planes will bring down air defense on both sides. Without any respect for the country of origin.

The simplest question remains. Why did the leak from the headquarters of the Netherlands Armed Forces occur right now? The answer is on the surface. Interest in the downed Boeing faded. The investigation, which has been conducted for more than five years, played the role of the very “time” that “heals”. And on March 9, the trial will begin just in this case.

So do not take seriously the landing plan in the Donbass. Yes, such a plan existed as one of many scenarios. Yes, the Dutch could plan, including landing in the Donbass. So what? Huge plans - this is the work of large headquarters. How many of these plans were there, how many are, and how many will be ... But interest in the court has already warmed up.
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  1. Dmitry Potapov 5 March 2020 06: 56 New
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    What hospital letter? Especially interesting about the shooting down of NATO aircraft by both sides.
    1. rich 5 March 2020 07: 36 New
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      It's time to answer the question that our readers asked to answer. Was there a plan for a landing of the Dutch army in Ukraine? More precisely, in the territory of the fall of the downed civilian Boeing.
      I will answer right away. Yes, such a plan existed. I don’t know the details of this plan. Yes it doesn’t matter

      So what is this article about? repeat
      Actually nothing. Yes, it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to sow intrigue wink
      1. I was particularly surprised by the author's arguments. He does not know the details, but the plan was ... So the plan is the details, options ... And so - there was a bunch! Stupid joke over a glass of beer.
    2. Olgovich 5 March 2020 07: 37 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Especially interesting about the shooting down of NATO aircraft by both sides.

      I don’t think that Ukraine would shoot down or shoot at the Dutch — they called and waited for them and, in general, NATO, like manna from heaven — why would they attack them? request

      And the DPR has already provided all investigators and everywhere access to the crash site.
      1. bessmertniy 5 March 2020 07: 51 New
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        It’s interesting, if some “terrorist” Boeing would bring down some terrorists over US territory belay , then the Dutch army would also be planning to land its landing on the place of the death of the liner !? what
        1. Lister 5 March 2020 16: 12 New
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          in any case, the Dutch army would not do anything without washington’s command.
  2. Olegater 5 March 2020 06: 58 New
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    Good morning, dear forum users!
    That's interesting, but how these drug addicts were going to get to the crash site. Would you ask your "friends" for protection? When the fighting is going on there everything gets lost and destroyed. What about the collection of debris and their removal? And fixing on video, etc.? It takes time, and they certainly would not have it. And I am tormented by vague suspicions that it’s all for a reason to stretch. Lead to some number or event. For 6 years could not establish the reason? Rave. Therefore, we will not pay attention to the legalized drug addicts and their fantasies.
    1. bessmertniy 5 March 2020 07: 54 New
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      By the way, if this is classified information, then even after such a short period of 6 years, it should not be subject to "leakage." How did it happen that with Dutch military secrecy something was lost there? repeat
    2. Lister 5 March 2020 16: 17 New
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      Quote: Olegater
      how were these soft drug lovers about to get to the crash site

      Quote: bessmertniy
      if this is classified information, then after a short period of 6 years, it should not be subject to "leakage"

      or maybe there was no plan? and all this hype and hype is really in order to foster public interest in the play called "the trial."
  3. rocket757 5 March 2020 06: 58 New
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    So do not take seriously the landing plan in the Donbass. Yes, such a plan existed as one of many scenarios.

    generals, headquarters are planning ... a lot of things, they have such a "job"! However, it’s just scary, that’s why they don’t fly, don’t ride, don’t crawl where they’ll give a damn about the definition!
  4. Den717 5 March 2020 07: 14 New
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    The presence of plans in the Moscow Region does not reflect the determination of the nation in their implementation. Personally, I do not recall their significant active independent actions.
  5. Uncle lee 5 March 2020 07: 14 New
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    the plan existed

    “Do you have a plan, Mr. Fox?”
    -Duck, I have a plan!
    1. Strashila 5 March 2020 07: 26 New
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      "plan existed"
      “Do you have a plan, Mr. Fox?”
      -Duck, I have a plan!
      Naturally, it existed, moreover, the "plan" is so legalized.
    2. novel66 5 March 2020 07: 45 New
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      Mr. Fixs! Volodya !! hi
      1. Uncle lee 5 March 2020 07: 54 New
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        I don’t care what a Mr.! The main thing that would be a PLAN!
        pasha hi
        1. novel66 5 March 2020 08: 15 New
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          Well, somewhere, yes, but in general - Roma lol
          1. Uncle lee 5 March 2020 08: 19 New
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            Somewhere you're right! wassat
            1. novel66 5 March 2020 08: 20 New
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              I'm right stupidly on the passport laughing laughing tongue
              1. Uncle lee 5 March 2020 08: 22 New
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                You can’t argue with a document! good drinks
  6. Avior 5 March 2020 07: 22 New
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    . It is understood that if this plan is implemented, both sides will grind them into powder.

    I do not think that this plan is one of those that someone was seriously planning to implement. It's just that the military always makes plans for all occasions, even the most incredible ones.
    But if the plan had suddenly been realized, then, I think, there were two options.
    The first is to agree with all parties that the Dutch take the place of protection for the duration of the collection of the wreckage, and the Dutch remain neutral in general to the conflict, collect the bodies and wreckage and leave without intervening in the conflict. This plan more or less looks real, just a thousand people is the amount that is needed to protect and search for debris that didn’t fall in exactly the same place, part of it scattered across the territory, as the plane fell apart in the air.
    The second option, completely unrealistic, in the case of a categorical refusal of the militia for some reason to allow the Dutch in principle to the place of the fall (which is in itself an absurd assumption), which was, as Strelkov said, the DNR defense minister at that time, in the rear of the militia , will agree only with the Ukrainians and with their participation to capture the site of the fall.
    This plan seems completely delusional, because a thousand people there did not solve anything, and they would have more losses than died on the plane.
    And the third option, about which he writes about fighting at the same time with the Armed Forces and the militias, and even with the participation of the Americans, the plan is so ridiculous that it’s pointless to even discuss it, it’s hard to believe that even someone tried to make it up, not to mention seriously about implementation.
    hi
  7. Zaurbek 5 March 2020 08: 10 New
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    It is unlikely that any single European country is capable of providing such an operation. This is too many different forces and means needed, which (at once all) does not exist in one country. And far away.
  8. Doctor 5 March 2020 08: 21 New
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    It is strange that the desire of a third state to investigate the circumstances of the death of its citizens to send military men is surprising and alarming at a military forum.
    And whom did they need to send to the war zone?
    Kindergarten teachers?
  9. Gvardeetz77 5 March 2020 08: 22 New
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    The moment when I thought that I went to read Military Review, but it turned out that I looked at RenTV Prokopenko
  10. dzvero 5 March 2020 08: 48 New
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    Malaysian Boeing; where does Holland come from? It would be more logical if Malaysia equipped an expeditionary force ...
  11. Aleks2048 5 March 2020 09: 15 New
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    I read the article and comments ... But the situation with the Boeing is not so unambiguous ... I wonder where the commentators who previously suggested sending some evidence to Holland have gone. Where are the cries about the fact that the case is sewn with white thread, etc.? The commentators who most of all shouted that the Russian Federation will not pay anything to anyone have disappeared ... It seems that Russia can get money and not just money, but with Money with a capital letter. Sadness.
    1. Doctor 5 March 2020 09: 18 New
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      But the situation with Boeing is not so unambiguous ...

      In which direction is "unequivocal"?
      1. Aleks2048 5 March 2020 09: 21 New
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        So far, the appointment of a guilty Russia is seen. But maybe this is not so politicized. And too many had the opportunity to fake evidence.
  12. Ros 56 5 March 2020 09: 52 New
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    The plan is intricate with the author, I don’t know the details, but the plan was good. Oh well.
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    kig 5 March 2020 10: 20 New
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    The author, why do not you consider the possibility of landing the army of Malaysia? After all, formally, this was their plane shot down. And by the way, at least their MTRs were marked there. After all, most recently, some of our media outlets said:
    An FBI officer tried to gain access to the black boxes of a Malaysian Boeing 777 that crashed in the sky over Ukraine in 2014, and Ukrainian law enforcement officers threatened with a criminal case, said Colonel Mohamad Sakri, head of the mission of the National Security Council of Malaysia, who led the special operation to seize flight recorders M17 which was held in Ukraine, according to the Malaysian publication New Straits Times. The return of the “black boxes” of the downed MH17 airliner to Malaysia from the place where the airliner died was a matter of national honor for the team now called “Dozen”. “I promised the then prime minister (Datuk Seri Najib Razak held this post) that we will return the“ black boxes ”, even if we have to sacrifice our lives for this. It was necessary to restore the honor of the nation, ”says the colonel.

    Here are the real heroes! And you tell some tales about the Dutch paratroopers. Do you even know that such a state - Holland - does not exist in nature?
    1. German Titov 5 March 2020 22: 33 New
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      "Yes, the Dutch could plan, including landing in the Donbass." As for me, the population of Shakhtersk and Snezhnoye is quite higher than the population of Holland (I don’t know where this "country" is). The DPR Army was not then, by definition, disparate militias of the Donbass. Fragments of the Boeing catastrophe under shelling were collected precisely by militias of the Donbass (to establish the truth). Any landing party, still in the air, could have been "reassured by the" buttocks "(such a mood). Then the majority of the serving brothers had experience of service in the Soviet Army. And here is the "Dutch landing". Humoresque!
  14. major147 5 March 2020 10: 30 New
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    Well, the great Dutch wars fell a little.

    No I do not think so! After all, after all, they are NATO warriors. Most likely, after the news of the redeployment "to the Russians", their dry closets were overfilled, and only this did not allow the "great Dutch wars" to honor their duty to "civilized humanity" with honor! request
    1. German Titov 5 March 2020 22: 44 New
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      “No, I don’t think so! After all, they are NATO soldiers.” I agree, for already 4 years a NAT warrior (his name is that), - I agree to land in the Netherlands. I’m looking for a landing site on the globe of Ukraine. request
      1. major147 5 March 2020 22: 51 New
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        Quote: German Titov
        I’m looking for a landing site on the globe of Ukraine.

        Help you lol

        How can I ... hi
  15. Slavs 5 March 2020 12: 38 New
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    according to the numerous exploits of fighters from both sides. After all, then it was all. And on both sides

    Is this the political correctness of today?
  16. raif 7 March 2020 10: 42 New
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    in short: the author consumed a “plan” and came up with a good Plan ...
  17. tolmachiev51 8 March 2020 03: 44 New
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    Coronovirus in the style of "highly likly" !!! He himself understood what he wrote!?