German naval forces receive second F125 class frigate

The German Navy received a second F125 class frigate. The ceremony of transferring the ship took place on March 3 at the naval base in Wilhelmshaven, where the frigate arrived the day before from the shipyard in Hamburg.

Nordrein-Westfalen is the second F125 class frigate. The keel of this ship was laid on October 24, 2012, the ship was handed over to the customer for 2018, but the delivery dates were later shifted due to problems with the head frigate of the series. The frigate will replenish the combat strength of the German Navy this year, the date has not yet been announced.

The lead frigate of this project, Baden-Württemberg, which gave the name to the whole type, was built on November 2, 2011 and was launched in 2013, and in 2016 it was adopted by the military. However, it was soon discovered that the product was defective. The ship had a roll to the starboard side of 1,3 degrees, overweight, problems at the central post. As a result, for the first time in German practice, the ship was returned to the manufacturer.

On April 30, 2019, Baden-Württemberg was handed over to the military again, without any ceremonies.

The F125 class frigate has a displacement of 7200 tons, a hull length of 149,5 meters, a width of 18,8 meters, and a draft of 5 meters. Gas turbine power plant allows the ship to reach speeds of up to 26 knots. Cruising range - 4000 miles. The crew is 126 people. There is the possibility of additional accommodation for up to 60 people landing.

Armament: 127-mm gun mount, two 27-mm anti-aircraft artillery systems MLG 27, ASM “Harpoon”, SAM SAM, five 12,7-mm machine guns, two 324-mm three-pipe torpedo tubes. It carries two multi-purpose helicopters NH90 and four inflatable boats with a rigid hull type RIB.

Comments

[Erich]

Handsome man! Well done Germans))

[Borik]

Well yes, well done. Almost 8 years were built. But they have more opportunities than our industry because no sanctions are observed. So nefig roll on our shipbuilders that they have been building ships for our fleet for a long time.

[Erich]

Yes, I do not care about our shipbuilders, you say that to those who criticize the speed of creating ships and not me))

[Okolotochny]

I don’t care about our shipbuilders

A person who writes on a Russian patriotic resource and is enthusiastic about the army of a potential enemy writes.

[Erich]

There is news, why not rejoice? My Rod is from Germany, you are proud of yours, I am proud of mine.

[Okolotochny]

Once again, you do not care for our shipbuilders, but for the German heart joy ??? Why then live here?

[Erich]

Yes, for the German heart joy. While I live here, now at the stage of moving to another country with my family. Born here.

[32363]

Quote: Borik

Well yes, well done. Almost 8 years were built. But they have more opportunities than our industry because no sanctions are observed. So nefig roll on our shipbuilders that they have been building ships for our fleet for a long time.

you look inside the cheetahs and immediately stop rolling the barrel on the Germans

[32363]

Quote: 32363

Quote: Borik

Well yes, well done. Almost 8 years were built. But they have more opportunities than our industry because no sanctions are observed. So nefig roll on our shipbuilders that they have been building ships for our fleet for a long time.

you look inside the cheetahs and immediately stop rolling the barrel on the Germans

Salem minusers ..

[alexmach]

And what's wrong inside the Cheetahs.
Threat 28 knots, 2 more than the Germans.

[32363]

Quote: alexmach

And what's wrong inside the Cheetahs.
Threat 28 knots, 2 more than the Germans.

I don’t know what they’re putting right now, but before they put the German filling, of the same manufacturer as on F125

[orionvitt]

And what are the good fellows? In NATO, another warship appeared.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: orionvitt

And what are the good fellows? In NATO, another warship appeared.

Also, the experience of their construction has grown.
What are such peaceful purposes?

[Erich]

In that they build. They know how, can and do.

[KAVBER]

The main thing is that they would put a female crew on it, as from the previous news, and then everything will be our way. So we will win.

[Thrifty]

KAVBER-and if women should be properly trained, including physically, or is it better that they only serve in headquarters and in hospitals in the army? ??

[KAVBER]

For me, it would be better if they were engaged in what nature is supposed to do with them, but this is my personal opinion. And so, yes, you can prepare to press buttons and of course a chimpanzee, but in physical terms .... it is doubtful that a lag of 30% in maximum physical form between a man and a woman does not go anywhere, nature however.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

or better to headquarters and hospitals in the army and only served

it’s better not to let women in the army at all, otherwise headquarters with hospitals turn into brothels.

[Stas1973]

The experience of the Second World War seems to be hinting. Even in those days they did not allow women to the fleet, to military posts.

[Vladimir_2U]

Frigate Class F125

head frigate series

The lead frigate of this project "Baden-Württemberg", which gave the name to the entire type

Here is porridge, here is the class, but the frigate is the class, the series and the project and the type. It remains to attach a family, brand and model.

[donavi49]

They even on the latest boats serve girls in mixed crews.

This is a boat with a VNEU of the reactor type; they almost do not rise to the surface like a nuclear-powered ship for a month.

[Kurare]

Quote: donavi49

This is a boat with a VNEU of the reactor type; they almost do not rise to the surface like a nuclear-powered ship for a month.

You exaggerated it a little. For example, in 2013, U32 set a record for 212A class submarines - 18 days.

[Okolotochny]

Yes, it makes no difference to them, THAN EIGHT, to blame the Russian for a little joy.

[Ryaruav]

what month yes they don’t go to sea for so much plus restriction on provisions and fresh water

[Legat_01]

It should be added that a total of four frigates of the F125 type were planned for the German Navy. Sparsely: especially, bearing in mind the former potential of the Kriegsmarine. On the other hand, Germany has already commissioned three relatively new Saxonies. There is also some kind of submarine fleet in the face of 212A.

[Alex_You]

What happened to the Kriegsmarine potential? All surface ships acted as a scarecrow and had no success. Submarines are silent here.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Legat_01

Not thick: especially, mindful of the past potential of Kriegsmarine

Especially remembering that the "Kriegsmarine", with all its might, did not really excel. Several victories and that's it. Well, except for submarine warfare, of course. But that's another matter. All the same, in the end everything is lost.

[Thrifty]

The main thing is that the Germans have no problems with energy installation, so they can build any number of ships. A roll of one and a half degrees is not a problem. ..

[Igor Borisov_2]

Quote: Thrifty

The main thing is that the Germans have no problems with energy installation, so they can build any number of ships. A roll of one and a half degrees is not a problem. ..

How not a problem? In 2016, it was transferred to the military, then returned to the manufacturer and only on April 30, 2019 returned to the military. Almost three years eliminated ........

[Thrifty]

Igor Borisov 2-well, the Germans are people too, they do the work a hundred times measuring, discussing three hundred times, weighing everything and thinking it over a million times, but if the joint came out, then they very easily fall into a stupor because of their joint! That is why it took a long time to eliminate , so to speak, with goranitia! I was sometimes amused by their meticulousness, because they solve problems but do not always see the best option! I ran into them when we launched their auto assembly plants! They are specialists in their field, but only "inside and out", and for everything that is above them they are not paid! !!

[32363]

Quote: Thrifty

Igor Borisov 2-well, the Germans are people too, they do the work a hundred times measuring, discussing three hundred times, weighing everything and thinking it over a million times, but if the joint came out, then they very easily fall into a stupor because of their joint! That is why it took a long time to eliminate , so to speak, with goranitia! I was sometimes amused by their meticulousness, because they solve problems but do not always see the best option! I ran into them when we launched their auto assembly plants! They are specialists in their field, but only "inside and out", and for everything that is above them they are not paid! !!

if the Germans are so shoddy, then why are they teaching you how to make cars, and not you?

[Thrifty]

It means that we are lacking precisely their meticulousness, but it’s grown in civilian life, because the most intelligent and meticulous are a priori employed in our defense industry!

[32363]

might knockout

[Avior]

In fact, for a frigate of more than 7000 thousand tons of air defense, it is frankly weak, only suitable for a corvette, and even then it will be rather weak by now.
What is the point of putting a good radar if all missile defense is limited to self-defense air defense systems with a range of 10 km? The Germans put such air defense systems on missile boats, and not on expensive frigates, at a cost of 2,2 billion euros for 4 pieces.
Saxony frigates are smaller, cheaper, and their air defense is much better armed.
But the propulsion system, yes, not bad.

[Thrifty]

Avior winning one losing another! Maybe there is no good "overwhelmed" air defense complex, maybe they rely on their aviation. ...

[Avior]

on Saxony built in 1996 with a displacement of 5690 tons, it is, not even medium, but long-range,

1 x 32 VPU Mk 41 Mod 10 (24 Standard SM-2 Block IIIA missiles and 32 Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles)
2x21 launchers of Mk 49 SAM air defense system (missiles RIM-116A)

and here on a ship of 7200 tons he disappeared somewhere.
Why would he need all this electronics and a radar with a range of 250 km if he has 10 km of air defense?

[Thrifty]

Avior -Then, truly, this is a riddle with seven seals Perhaps that complex was considered expensive, or they hoped that this frigate would not have to fight against aviation!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

In fact, for a frigate of more than 7000 thousand tons of air defense, it is frankly weak, only suitable for a corvette, and even then it will be rather weak by now.
What is the point of putting a good radar if all missile defense is limited to self-defense air defense systems with a range of 10 km?

And these are the fruits of the concept that was popular in the 90s and early 2000s, since the Cold War was over, the fleet of developed states will now be engaged mainly in peacekeeping (read - to slaughter rebellious zusuls with Kalash). Therefore, air defense can be neglected (well, where did the Zusuls come from aviation and missiles), and you need to concentrate on the strike capabilities on ground targets. The ultimate ship of this concept can be considered LCS.
The problem is that the ships are designed and built for a long time, and during this time the situation has changed. Suddenly, it turned out that now the rebellious Zusuls, besides Kalash and D-30, can acquire Chinese-developed or Iranian-designed SCRCs - so the concept ordered a long life. But ships are still being built on it.

Quote: Avior

Saxony frigates are smaller, cheaper, and their air defense is much better armed.

The heavy legacy of the Cold War.

[Avior]

but I was wrong.
Saxony is the beginning of the 2000s
Long before them came about the Cold War. but so even though they have three normal modern frigates, the fleet has
But how come ....
It remains only for the staff to introduce the posts of simple soldiers Zhrankel and Drankel so as not to leave the image, and it will be more common

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

but I was wrong.
Saxony is the beginning of the 2000s

No, in the main you are right - the contract for F124 was signed just in 1996.
And they were also designed "by inertia" - on the basis of typical cold war "Brandenburg" F123. Yes, and they did F124 to replace EMs of the "Lutyens" type (nee - "Charles F. Adams" ).

[5-9]

LCS on the shore ??? From a 57-mm cannon or a minigun with Schwartz will turn up a pinwheel and he will water zusulov from it?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 5-9

LCS on the shore ??? From a 57-mm cannon or a minigun with Schwartz will turn up a pinwheel and he will water zusulov from it?

Worse - for work along the coast, missiles and loitering ammunition of the NLOS-LS system with a range of 25-45 miles were first planned. But when the fleet found out how much this happiness would be, it decided to arm the LCS with "anti-coastal" missiles based on the good old Hellfires.
Well, do not forget about the shock UAV.
There were also plans to put Norwegian NSM on LCS, but it turned out that the littoral was too "short-sighted" for their use.

[5-9]

Exactly, I forgot about Hellfire! He has it and he has a 0.50 gun, or even not one!
Looking at even 2 LCS projects with their prices and capabilities, it’s somehow even embarrassing to blame our poaching boats for at least something other than the slow pace of construction :)

[orionvitt]

Or it seems to me, or a German warship, you recognize from afar. Something special is in them, you will not confuse.

[Scharnhorst]

At the expense of headquarters and hospitals ... You have probably not seen battalions of communications yet!

[Thrifty]

During the Soviet era, Scharnhorst saw a lot of things, but just like a stereotype, it worked out for me that a woman does not have a place precisely in a combat and not in an auxiliary place in the army!

[V.I.P.]

Nice ship. The frigate is without maintenance at the port for two years, while performing operations of medium intensity for 5000 hours a year. The radars with active phased array Cassidian TRS-4D are distributed over two pyramids. This ensures that the radar remains operational even in the event of serious damage caused by an accident or an enemy strike. The 127 mm Otobreda Vulcano artillery system uses Vulcano shells
- unguided multi-purpose projectile with a ballistic trajectory (firing range up to 70 km);
- the projectile, aimed at the target due to the integrated homing system, is mainly used to destroy surface targets (firing range up to 70 km);
- a projectile aimed at the target by an inertial guidance system using the GPS system for firing at ground targets (firing range up to 120 km).
Air defense incl. two launchers and missiles RIM-116 RAM Block II with 21 cells each (a total of 42). According to the manufacturer of anti-aircraft artillery systems MLG 27, they have no analogues in working on cruise missiles and other means of attack.
A SIMONE infrared monitoring and navigation system with a system of optical sensors has been installed, guaranteeing real-time circular monitoring of the environment up to the side of the ship and provides early and instant detection of asymmetric threats in air, on water and under water.
The ship’s radio equipment also includes four spatial C-band radars, an IFF identification system, an X-band radar, electronic warfare systems, two electron-optical target recognition systems and an infrared video surveillance system (14 cameras). Additionally, the frigate is equipped with a Ceberus Mod 2 mobile sonar station, laser warning systems and an uninhabited underwater vehicle Sea Fox designed to combat mines and IEDs. The frigate has 4 settings for launching false targets (MASS)
But at the same time, the ship does not have PLO functions. ……. Is it that possible?))))

[Avior]

Particularly wonderful!
He has 6 torpedo tubes with anti-submarine torpedoes, but no means of searching for submarines.
He will probably shoot torpedoes at underwater swimmers, for this he has a sonar
The ship is a mystery ...

[V.I.P.]

Cerberus Mod 2. Weight 25 kg. can detect targets on an area of ​​2,5 square kilometers and at a distance of up to 1800 meters. The hydro-acoustic complex is capable of simultaneously tracking the movements of up to 50 scuba divers at a depth of five to fifty meters ...

[Thrifty]

VIP-AFAR in active mode is a "missile attractor", as if the ship asks to be covered with a missile "rain" ...

[lvov_aleksey]

I can’t swear yet, but because I have nothing to say so far.