Erdogan asks Trump for ammunition support

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan requested US support for ammunition amid a worsening situation in the Syrian province of Idlib. A corresponding request was sent to the administration of US President Donald Trump. This was reported by Anadolu.

Answering journalists' questions about the possible support of Ankara by Washington, Erdogan confirmed that he had requested Trump support for ammunition.

I sent such a request to Mr. Trump

- declared the Turkish president.

The day before, US Special Representative for Syria James Jeffrey said that the United States is ready to provide ammunition and humanitarian aid to Turkey in connection with the aggravation of the situation in Idlib. According to the representative of Washington, the Turkish army uses American weapons and equipment. At the same time, Geoffrey did not specify whether Ankara would have to somehow pay for American supplies.

Meanwhile, it became known that the Syrian air defense units tried to use the Soviet S-200 Angara anti-aircraft system against the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter, but the Turkish aircraft safely escaped from the launched missile of the complex and returned to Turkish airspace. But the Turkish "got" from the S-200 drone, which became the second for yesterday and the seventh for March 2-3. A Turkish drone was shot down near the city of Serakib.

In turn, Turkish media reported Ankara’s plans to deploy additional anti-aircraft systems in the Idlib region in the near future. According to the head of the secretariat of the defense industry under the administration of Turkish President Ismail Demir, in addition to the already deployed Korkut systems, it is planned to deploy Turkish-made Hİ SAR-A systems in a week to intercept at low altitudes. Further, it is planned to deploy Hİ SAR-O systems - to intercept targets at medium altitudes.

Comments

[Nastia makarova]

seven drones destroyed it's cool
did Edik's shells end ???))) or was it really a pity to use expensive ammunition?

[maxim947]

A favorite pastime of the Anglo-Saxons is adding fuel to the fire. And it is not pleasant that he bowed his head before the trump on the eve of the meeting on the 5th.

[Nastia makarova]

often they themselves suffer from fire

[maxim947]

I would like more often.

[Sky strike fighter]

Why don't we add a little bit to counterbalance the Turkish F-16?

Russia has transferred the Syrian Air Force R-77 air-to-air missiles, the Al-Mayadden newspaper reports, citing military sources in the Syrian army. As the source specified, Russia took such measures after the aggressive behavior of Turkish forces in the province of Idlib.

It is reported that the crews of the Syrian MiG-29 fighters are already undergoing additional briefing and raid. Aircraft are almost ready to repel air attacks and cover the bombers.

R-77 (RVV-AE in export version) - Russian medium-range guided missile (110 km)

http://in24.org/world/38832

[Nastia makarova]

it’s just impossible to shoot down over the territory of Turkey

[Sky strike fighter]

In an extreme case, it is possible to intercept the Turkish AIM-77C-120 with at least the P-7, so that there are no new losses.

[Sky strike fighter]

P-77 can work on AIM-120C-7.

The R-77 is designed to deal with air targets: airplanes, helicopters, and ground-to-air and air-to-air missiles at any time of the day in simple and difficult weather conditions, in the presence of background and active radar interference. The probability of hitting a target is 0,6-0,7

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%92%D0%92-%D0%90%D0%95

[Terenin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it’s just impossible to shoot down over the territory of Turkey

In fact, according to unwritten international rules, the "principle of reciprocity" has not been canceled
Another thing - taking into account the feasibility and time period ...

[Mytholog]

Quote: maxim947

it is unpleasant that he bowed his head before the trump on the eve of the meeting on the 5th

Everything is simpler: "give - take, beat - run." They offered the Turk a weapon, why not take it?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

seven drones destroyed it's cool
did Edik's shells end ???))) or was it really a pity to use expensive ammunition?

With such operations, there is always a frantic expenditure of precision ammunition.

[Nastia makarova]

so ended or is there still a small supply?

[Krasnodar]

No idea If there is, then very quickly end

[NIKN]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

so ended or is there still a small supply?

[Thrifty]

Trump to the bone is a businessman, he can only SELL ammunition, with a 30 percent markup in the price! For money is never superfluous. ...

[Jack O'Neill]

Americans can get them JASM and SDB, AIM-120C-7, AIM-9X and many other goodies.
Likewise, drones can help, the same "Reapers", and even "Hellfires" to them.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Americans can get them JASM and SDB, AIM-120C-7, AIM-9X and many other goodies.
Likewise, drones can help, the same "Reapers", and even "Hellfires" to them.

They can still help Erdogan with ammunition in the literal sense. If tomorrow Putin and Erdogan do not bargain to a mutually acceptable result. That's right, with axes, right at the objects of the CAA, they can help. And no one here even wants to think about it. But all amicably and merrily laugh over the Turks. They have already knocked out quite technically the Syrians, and these are all having fun. All fight with sofas with caps.

PS That would be for 5 minutes of these fun people from the VO site, but to Serakib. And then ask: well, is it still funny? No, I don’t understand these fun people. There, the Syrians get it hard, and these neigh with Erdogan. Oxymoron.

[Jack O'Neill]

They can still help Erdogan with ammunition in the literal sense. If tomorrow Putin and Erdogan do not bargain to a mutually acceptable result. That's right, with axes, right at the objects of the CAA, they can help. And no one here even wants to think about it. But all amicably and merrily laugh over the Turks. They have already knocked out quite technically the Syrians, and these are all having fun. All fight with sofas caps

It may well, the more experience is already. And if, in addition to the Turkish drones, the American ones also join, then in general the finish!
Syria has a stalemate now!

PS That would be for 5 minutes of these fun people from the VO site, but to Serakib. And then ask: well, is it still funny? No, I don’t understand these fun people. There, the Syrians get it hard, and these neigh with Erdogan. Oxymoron.

It is truth too! Everyone so wants to fight, but they themselves will not get off the couch!
The trip of such to Syria will obviously not be superfluous, and people will grow wiser.)

[lucul]

Erdogan asks Trump for ammunition support

Rzhu in a voice .....
And they still boast that they can fight with the Russians when the Turks themselves, shells only for a week of war))))

[Oquzyurd]

This is part of the policy, not a shortage of shells.

[Terenin]

Quote: Oquzyurd

This is part of the policy, not a shortage of shells.

Part of the policy is puffing out your cheeks.
Here, everything is simpler, this is a real shortage of ammunition

[Svarog]

Quote: lucul

Erdogan asks Trump for ammunition support

Rzhu in a voice .....
And they still boast that they can fight with the Russians when the Turks themselves, shells only for a week of war))))

Yes, he’s Trump’s troll .. they say the USA is an ally .. help with shells .. then give the F-35 .. this is such an oriental style .. pretended to be an orphan .. with Putin I rolled this style ... maybe we can ride with Trump ..

[Nastia makarova]

precision weapon is a piece and expensive pleasure

[voyaka uh]

So with Russians with accurate ammunition - the same problem. Catastrophically small. Gauges and QABs ended at the beginning of ISIS bombing in a week or two.
And the French, the British - similarly.
Only the United States has such missiles / bombs on the conveyor.

[Nasrat]

Quote: voyaka uh

So with Russians with accurate ammunition - the same problem. Catastrophically small. Gauges and QABs ended at the beginning of ISIS bombing in a week or two.

Let them consider that they have ended ... And acquaintances work as hard workers at the N-th enterprise - they even go to work on weekends .. work in two shifts ... On February 23, they met, celebrated, the guys went to work in the morning, and the country was resting one day...

[voyaka uh]

So it was after the case when there was an interruption with Caliber and CAB and launched work in Russia in 2-3 shifts.
Otherwise, the second salvo would not have taken place 2 months after the first.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: voyaka uh

So with Russians with accurate ammunition - the same problem. Catastrophically small. Gauges and QABs ended at the beginning of ISIS bombing in a week or two.

Igor Panarin says that they are not over.

[neri73-r]

Quote: voyaka uh

So with Russians with accurate ammunition - the same problem. Catastrophically small. Gauges and QABs ended at the beginning of ISIS bombing in a week or two.
And the French, the British - similarly.
Only the United States has such missiles / bombs on the conveyor.

Our aiming systems are normal, simple VVS work just worse than high-precision ones. So do not worry.

[voyaka uh]

"We have normal sighting systems, simple blanks" ////
----
Hephaestus? I thought that everyone already understood on the example of Idlib that this was a bluff. But, it turns out, it didn’t reach everyone.
Similar accuracy, as in Hephaestus, was achieved by the Americans in World War II with the B-2/25. All countries copied and improved their device in detail.
Fundamentally, the accuracy of the disc hanging in all winds from a great height cannot be increased.
Therefore, we switched to laser illumination of the target and GOS on ammunition.

[neri73-r]

Bluff, bluff!

Quote: voyaka uh

Therefore, we switched to laser illumination of the target and GOS on ammunition.

Go and go, we don’t mind, just don’t be surprised that they end very quickly and are very expensive. Remember the war in Yugoslavia, when all of NATO missiles ended and if they were more stubborn and stronger than Milosevic, they would screw up with intervention.

[Vitaly161]

stop stop, and during the 2nd World War the GLONASS and GPS satellites were deployed? satellite constellation is required for Hephaestus

[voyaka uh]

No, even ultra-precise GPS can not help with the free fall of a piece of metal from a great height. At different heights - different winds, gusts of wind. When separated from the aircraft, a push occurs - it is different. The bombs themselves have inaccuracies in the body and aerodynamics of the wings. Etc.
Although crack, the bomb must be LEAD to the target by controlling its wings, depending on the active or passive guidance system on the target.
Special bombs are put on ordinary bombs, on the sides and behind, turning them into controlled ones.

[Vitaly161]

Well, I’ve studied the KABs device, there’s no need to talk about this, in practice, as it turned out, it is possible to drive a disc with 5+ km with a decent KVO, and you forget that SVP-24 helps to lay cast iron, current for previously explored goals, with what she does a great job

[voyaka uh]

"drive a blank with 5+ km with a decent KVO" ///
----
50 m - quite decent KVO for 5 km

[Vitaly161]

Pounding, 50m away from you will fall FAB-500, the question is, what remains of you? (Imagine a horse in a vacuum)

[voyaka uh]

Several houses will fall around. What is happening in Syria.
Therefore, the UN is noisy.
Because of this, the Hephaestus CWO is 50 meters away.
And you have to get into a group of militants or a 10-50 kg tank with a bomb for sure. So that houses do not fall around.
Clear?
You can slam a 1000 kg bomb without any Hephaestus. And smash half the village.

[Vitaly161]

Ooh, water begins in the ears, glory to the eggs, you don’t decide who, how and with what to destroy, is better for our GS to work than when it was necessary and the calibers flew, since they have all the standards

[voyaka uh]

I’m not talking about humanism, but about combat effectiveness. It was nice to talk, although I was not able to convince you.

[Vitaly161]

what's the point? for me it’s better to smash the whole block with the broads than to spend expensive QABs, these are weapons for a more serious opponent

[3danimal]

Want to say that ours can massively kill civilians?

[Vitaly161]

there’s a war there in general, if the civilians didn’t leave, or they weren’t taken out ..... this is of course regrettable, but it happens

[Vitaly161]

that is, when the states of Rakku were razed to the ground, is that normal? and the UN did not complain, judging by what happened yesterday, this organization has outlived itself, and its place in history

[Alex Nevs]

Leipzig mattresses have long been rehearsed.

[Vitaly161]

there was information here on the VO how SVP-24 works

[cniza]

Quote: voyaka uh

So with Russians with accurate ammunition - the same problem. Catastrophically small. Gauges and QABs ended at the beginning of ISIS bombing in a week or two.
And the French, the British - similarly.
Only the United States has such missiles / bombs on the conveyor.

Do you steer on the conveyor belt and in front of ours your web camera is turned on?
You yourself at least believe in it, you are a rather smart person ...

[voyaka uh]

Just read the MO report.
In the open press. It says how many calibers the army received per year.

[cniza]

Well, if in the open press, then yes, they are definitely over.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: cniza

Well, if in the open press, then yes, they are definitely over.

In the open press, the range of "Calibers" was indicated as 300 km. And when they flew in from the Caspian, the experts argued for a long time that this could not be.

[Alex Nevs]

Damn. Well, they are naive to the media infosomization.

[Guru]

lucul (Vitaliy)

Rzhu in a voice .....

I support, I laugh from the heart

[Teacher67]

As the saying goes, "Turkey and the United States quarreled"

[Livonetc]

Not this way.
USA bred Turkey.
And they did it.

[Teacher67]

Bred for what?

[Livonetc]

On domestic and international conflict.
The US coup attempt in 2016, prepared by the United States, failed (in particular thanks to the Russian Federation), however, the task of merging Erdogan remained on the agenda.
At present, a serious coalition is being formed against Turkey, and not only among the Arab countries.
Turkey is bred into ill-conceived, reckless actions that, with a high degree of probability, will lead to destabilization of the internal situation in the country and the difficult situation on the world stage.

[cniza]

Quote: Livonetc

Not this way.
USA bred Turkey.
And they did it.

Playing on the ambitions of the Sultan, they are trying to incite Russia, whether Sutan can explain it, we will soon find out ...

[13-90]

As the saying goes, "Turkey and the United States quarreled"

Yeah. Another victory of the great geopolitical multi-step chess player.

[Nastia makarova]

you do not understand the troll with a pan on the head))))

[Tank hard]

What about Kurdistan within the Turkish borders? Leaders?

[Loess]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan asks U.S. support for ammunition

I do not understand something. A low-intensity conflict lasts about a month. Ankara began to act actively two weeks ago. And there is already not enough ammunition ?????

Meanwhile, it became known that the Syrian air defense units tried to use the Soviet anti-aircraft system S-200 "Angara" against the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force, but the Turkish aircraft safely escaped from the missile of the complex and returned to Turkish airspace.

An interesting point. Hopefully there will be details.

[Amateur]

Ankara began to act actively two weeks ago. And there is already not enough ammunition ?????

Shells and bombs are not tomatoes. On the bushes do not grow.

[Kronos]

There are enough shells, but there is little precision for everyone

[Tank jacket]

Popouis asking for ammunition

[KAVBER]

It is necessary to send the sultan pills from greed and more, in the form of humanitarian aid of course

[dauria]

however, the Turkish plane safely left the missile of the complex and returned to Turkish airspace.

"Haha, I'm in the house." Interesting parsley. How to fight if half of the front-line tactical depth is "abroad", but figuring out from there? Politicians, you start to interfere with the military. In vain ruin life. Either kiss, or swing each other in the face. But they don't fight on a hobbled horse.

[urik62]

In limited military conflicts, politicians have always prevented the military from taking the first Chechen conflict - in general, horror. I doubt that the SAA would decide to strike in Turkey - it’s not enough strength.

[3danimal]

If you do not limit the conflict, it will grow and losses will increase by ORDER.

[Guru]

Aha Edik's ammo runs out. I distributed everything to Barmaley.

[signifera]

So I don’t understand why S-400 can be sold to Turks, but not to Syrians !? We came to help the SAA and condemn the Turks for the invasion. I don’t understand how so where logic is, the honor of the country, again. Or the Turks have money, but there are no Syrians, this seems to be the answer.

[Kronos]

So the Turks gave a lot on credit and so they gave and built

[3danimal]

Assad does not have money, you can only issue a non-repayable loan. Take an interest in the history of the supply of Arab countries with Soviet weapons - it was paid mainly by our citizens.

[signifera]

I remember it was. In this case, there is already experience))) You can irrevocable loan, you can repay for 500 years, you can as a gift, you can humanitarian aid, but whatever. If we help, we need to help further. For me it’s better to invest to the maximum in wars on foreign territory and mainly by foreign forces, than to save and get these bandits at the borders or even inside. Together with partners. Yes, and for prestige is useful.

[3danimal]

I do not agree.
Remember: why did these newly-formed (formerly Ottoman provinces) countries help? Because the populist leadership flirted with leftist rhetoric. Guys are cunning - words are cheap, and the help of a naive (in this matter) Union is quite tangible. Obviously, this was due to ideology, not pragmatism.
Then what is the point of continuing to help those who fooled the previous ideological leadership? What does the Russian Federation have in common with the “victory of world communism”?

[signifera]

I also disagree, all these things are old and forgotten. There are no those people and some countries. I'm talking about now. As far as I understand the policy and the task of the presence in Syria, this includes the neutralization of militants, radicals, terrorists so that they do not appear with us. And the better we pump the SAA, the less "work" will remain for our military. And the less they will suffer losses. That is why I think there is no need to think and save money, but to help, train and supply equipment and weapons free of charge. Until recently, it was going well, but Turkish UAVs appeared and the SAA suffered huge losses, if this continues for a couple of weeks, then I think nothing will remain of the SAA. From their shock and combat-ready units. The rest of the mass will dissipate as the enemy approaches. Therefore, it is urgent to "give" them effective air defense systems to contain Turkish UAVs, and then they will cope on their own. Plus add aviation to them, they are working on old stuff. But how to convey to the Syrians everything they need so that they do not quarrel with their dear allies and partners - let our rulers think. Through whom or through what, secretly, openly, with cunning or something else ... Yes, and I remember the saying, about two chairs, you still need to decide for one or for these, otherwise both will turn away. Something like that)

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

But the Turkish drone "got" from the S-200, which became the second for yesterday and the seventh in March 2-3.

Bayraktar TB2: maximum take-off weight 0.65 t
Anka: maximum take-off weight 1.6 t
S-200: starting weight 7.1 t

[Air force]

All this is strange, the second largest army in NATO is asking for help with ammunition. Most likely this request is simply to show that the United States is with us and supports both Turkey and the beginning of its war against Assad, thus the United States is indirectly drawn into a conflict funnel and the creation of an official coalition from NATO member countries begins. Well, the headlines of newspapers will sound differently: not Turkish troops, but the allies, led by Turkey, struck at the "Syrian regime" and so on. Although most likely these throwing requests for ammunition, the Patriots, and many others are needed. Turkey makes before the meeting of Erdogan with Putin V.V. 5th of March. PS If Turkey, after not so intense battles with ammunition, is getting tight (probably ammunition means shells, missiles, bombs), then how are things with this in Italy, Spain, Greece, I generally keep quiet about the Balts, in this case there is a supply only one volley, like "We were attacked, volley, let's go"

[rocket757]

Sisas him "friend Trump" will roll off the "sweet" from the heart ... it is interesting, will he give / won't give?

[cniza]

Of course it will, but the final price of the Sultan will not please ...

[cniza]

At the same time, Geoffrey did not specify whether Ankara would have to somehow pay for American supplies.

First, no, and then doubly ...

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Air Force

All this is strange, the second largest army in NATO is asking for help with ammunition. Most likely this request is simply to show that the United States is with us and supports both Turkey and the beginning of its war against Assad, thus the United States is indirectly drawn into a conflict funnel and the creation of an official coalition from NATO member countries begins. Well, the headlines of newspapers will sound differently: not Turkish troops, but the allies, led by Turkey, struck at the "Syrian regime" and so on. Although most likely these throwing requests for ammunition, the Patriots, and many others are needed. Turkey makes before the meeting of Erdogan with Putin V.V. 5th of March. PS If Turkey, after not so intense battles with ammunition, is getting tight (probably ammunition means shells, missiles, bombs), then how are things with this in Italy, Spain, Greece, I generally keep quiet about the Balts, in this case there is a supply only one volley, like "We were attacked, volley, let's go"

The step is purely political ...
The Turks themselves produce adjustable shells for barreled artillery, missiles for MANPADS and SAMs, adjustable missiles based on NURS, ATGMs, cruise missiles, missiles for MLRS, especially in the latter case, the Americans generally by. And taking into account their ambitions to increase arms exports, production capacities were significantly increased. So the logic is simple, you need to pull up the States, bring the ambal to the children's sandbox But Trump will refuse if the Turks insist, this is another reason to give the Democrats, they say, against the Russians Trump will refuse, the Russian track and blah blah, the old record, we have heard it more than once.

[Ros 56]

It was enough for the Turks to have enough gunpowder, somehow strange.

[Bully]

[quote] According to the head of the secretariat of the defense industry under the administration of Turkish President Ismail Demir, in addition to the already deployed Korkut systems, it is planned to deploy Turkish-made Hİ SAR-A systems in a week to intercept at low altitudes. Further, it is planned to deploy Hİ SAR-O systems - to intercept targets at medium altitudes.
/ Quote]
It would be necessary to test these anti-aircraft guns Points - they will catch or not. Do not get caught - burn

[3danimal]

So are the crews of Points in retaliation. When fighting with modern armies, this often happens ..

[dr.mel51]

And when Erdogan talked about in the water of the troops it was impossible to tighten the air defense in advance or thought that he was bluffing

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Bully

According to the head of the secretariat of the defense industry under the administration of Turkish President Ismail Demir, in addition to the already deployed Korkut systems, it is planned to deploy Turkish-made Hİ SAR-A systems in a week to intercept at low altitudes. Further, it is planned to deploy Hİ SAR-O systems - to intercept targets at medium altitudes.

It would be necessary to test these anti-aircraft guns Points - they will catch or not. Do not get caught - burn

What he is talking about Hisar is bullshit, this SAM in the first version had just completed the tests, according to official information, before the start of the mess, the first deliveries were planned for the end of this, 2020, year. There are no miracles, an air defense system is a bunch of subcontractors, at the click of a finger, all in one hour cannot deliver all the components at once, starting from the relatively simplest and most mastered - automobile or tracked chassis.

irmi is 20 in Turkish in a series then irmi bir is 21 ie operation only next year.
If misunderstood, correct.

That is, the maximum possible it was sent to Syria by those installations that were tested, which is unlikely, if only to also be tested in combat conditions. The rest of the SAM variants of this series are not even in the middle of the testing process. In fact, this is a common version of the air defense system, when modified air-to-air missiles are used as weapons. the Ukrainians want to create exactly the same one together with the Poles on the basis of the R-23. The same are produced by Israel and the EU countries. Air-to-air missiles with thermal and active radar heads are mainly used, which makes it possible to implement the "fire-and-forget" principle, plus reduce the operating time of the radar, or even use optoelectronic detection and aiming systems to reduce the likelihood of detecting the air defense missile system. So in this regard, the Turks have nothing new, although this simple and practical solution should be recognized, the unification of missile assemblies and the cost reduction due to the volume of production.

[Redline]

If the upcoming meeting between Erdogan and Putin will be unsuccessful, Turkey will erase Syria into powder

[lvov_aleksey]

it's funny how they fight for oil and gas ...

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Agent Smith

Prince Oleg will hang his shield on the gates of Constantinople:
- open set in PMC White Wolves;
-for the fulfillment of the goal of Prince Svyatoslav requires people;
- need ideological, hard work and small pay, return return is not guaranteed. In cases of success, the glory and honor of the title of Prince of Kiev, the daughter of Trump and the parish in Africa

not funny, do not confuse J. with P.

[Jarserge]

The war has not yet begun and the cartridges are already over. And these people are threatening