The ghost of a black sky roaming Siberia


Russian legislation and law enforcement agencies are very loyal to air poisoners, especially in the Trans-Urals. In the Russian Constitution, the right of citizens to a favorable environment is formulated as abstract and vague as possible. The responsibilities of local governments do not include environmental issues at all. Corresponding environmental amendments to the country's Basic Law would clearly benefit residents of many Siberian and Far Eastern cities, suffocating from harmful emissions. Siberian cities are heated mainly by coal, which is burned in environmentally unsafe boiler houses and thermal power plants. But in the European part of the country most of the CHP plants are gasified.


Local authorities do not try to get environmental monitors to comply with environmental standards until the situation becomes catastrophic, as in Krasnoyarsk, where the air has become the dirtiest in the world. The dependence of cities on a large, often monopolistic energy supplier binds regional officials and deputies in matters of ensuring the safety and reliability of heat supply. Novosibirsk has become a symbol of the impending collapse of heating networks with annual thousands of emergency outages every winter. Hot spots are called Chita and Khabarovsk.

Social networks are full of indignant user reviews who actively criticize the current situation. The Siberian generating company, which controls a quarter of Siberian energy, seems to have become aware of the risks to its business due to growing public protests. She is trying to establish, through scientists and experts, a dialogue with the authorities and the population. But it turns out so far so badly. The Novosibirsk regional authorities are either too lazy or incompetent to understand the growing energy problems of cities. This was shown by the next round table “Energy Efficiency and Energy Saving in Heat Supply”, recently held at the Institute of Economics of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the Novosibirsk Academgorodok. Of the two dozen invited deputies and officials, not one came!

Here is the black sky above us


The Krasnoyarsk authorities for many years, apparently, hoped that the constant poisonous smog could fly over the city somehow by itself. But in the end, they received massive protests and an acute political crisis demanding the resignation of the governor.


The absurd excuses of the Krasnoyarsk governor of Uss: they say that the black sky above the city is historical the legacy of unreasonable ancestors, and a sluggish imitation of environmental activity only added fuel to the fire. The head of Rosprirodnadzor Svetlana Radionova recently went in a hurry to extinguish the mass discontent of the townspeople.

It was only upon her arrival in Krasnoyarsk that a substantive conversation began on solving environmental problems: the residents were firmly promised the metro, the mass elimination of coal-fired boilers and the introduction of new treatment equipment in the most dirty local industries.

Even the foreign media began to write about the disgusting atmosphere in Krasnoyarsk, Chita, Kemerovo, Novokuznetsk. Novosibirsk "became famous" for the whole world with the poisonous ash dump of the CHPP-5, which the local wits immediately called the "Siberian Maldives."

In Novosibirsk, local authorities do not feel a threat either from the environment or from emergency heat supply, although all the symptoms of the growing crisis are obvious: the city has a stable high level of atmospheric pollution and massive heat cuts due to torn heating systems. The local Ministry of Ecology, apparently, sees the main environmental problem of Novosibirsk in natural dumps and spends all its energy on the Clean Cities project to eliminate them.

The Siberian Generating Company (SGK) tried to solve the problem of repairing worn-out heating systems due to the accelerated increase in heat tariffs. Having met with resistance from residents and the governor, SGK is now trying to establish a dialogue with the authorities and scientists to determine the prospects for its presence in Novosibirsk. But the authorities are surprisingly indifferent to the desire of the SGK to receive from them any directions and guidelines for the future.

How Novosibirsk authorities hide their heads in the snow


The main headache of this winter for the townspeople was not constant blackouts (already suffered), but uncleaned streets. The city was buried in snowdrifts and, it seems, all the energy of Mayor Anatoly Lokty this spring was aimed at saving the streets from the flood.

Energy security issues were not particularly worrying for local deputies before, but now they have completely moved to thirty-third place. Europe is not a decree for us and not an example since the same-sex marriage was legalized there.

It’s a business in the European Union that the authorities are setting stricter environmental standards and introducing ever new restrictions on the hydrocarbon business. True, it does this in advance and gives entrepreneurs time to rebuild production under new business standards in the interests of the population and gives time for their implementation. So, for example, at first the requirements for the quality of motor fuel were constantly tightened, and now there are deadlines for introducing a ban on the implementation of new cars with internal combustion engines. In Norway, they will be banned from selling after five years, in England and France since 2035. In Germany, by this time, all coal-fired power plants will stop operating.

And in Novosibirsk, as in many Russian cities, local authorities did not even think about the environmental requirements for energy. The federal project “Clean Air 2019-2024” seems to them to be the heart-rending dreams of wealthy Moscow.

SGK is not interested in energy conservation


The amount of air emissions is directly related to the implementation of energy conservation. If less heat is required, then less coal or gas will be burned, there will be less emissions. Although Europe saves heat, we have nowhere to put coal, apparently, the Novosibirsk authorities say. The region with high scientific potential takes 48th place in Russia in terms of costs for improving the energy efficiency of housing and production and is included in the group of those lagging behind. In Novosibirsk, energy is spent on heating at least 35-45 percent more than necessary.

Representatives of SGK directly stated at the round table that their company is not interested inso that consumers save energy and pay less for it. The capacity of the thermal power station is already only two-thirds full, and the heat left after the generation of electricity has nowhere to go, especially this warm winter in Siberia. Excesses must be emitted into the atmosphere through cooling towers. But according to the law of the market, SGK will not be able to sell more heat than consumers buy, and in principle it is ready to adapt to lower consumption if they start saving it in Novosibirsk.

Scientists warn: stop hiding your head in snowdrifts


Scientists and experts at the round table suggested preparing an appeal to the authorities in order to draw her attention (once again) to the most acute energy problems of Novosibirsk. Try to interrupt the sleep of reason of officials and deputies at least on the eve of the most exciting event in their quiet life - re-election of the legislative assembly of the region and the city council.

Here are the key suggestions from experts.

It is necessary to put in place weather control systems for heat consumption in all apartment buildings, schools and kindergartens. It maintains a comfortable room temperature, automatically increasing or decreasing the flow of energy entering the house, depending on the weather. Only these devices will reduce the amount in payments for heat from 15 to 35 percent. But at whose expense these regulators will be installed, the authorities should decide together with the townspeople.

It's time to stop hiding your head in a snowdrift in anticipation of the collapse of heating networks. We must offer a real way to restore them. According to the well-known Russian expert on heat supply, candidate of economic sciences Yuri Voronov, for this it is necessary to spend ten (!) Times more money on annual heating repair than now.

The population does not have that kind of money, and SGK will not want to invest so much. Novosibirsk and residents of other cities have become hostages of the de-industrialization of the country. In Soviet times, most of the costs of maintaining heating networks were borne by enterprises, most of which are no longer available. Who will take the burden on them? There is no answer to this yet.

Novosibirsk, like many large cities, still does not have a strategy for managing heating networks and energy sources as a single energy complex. In Novosibirsk, for example, there are 4 combined heat and power plants and several gas boiler houses operated by SGK. And almost two hundred local boiler houses owned by other owners. SGK perceives them as competitors and seeks to squeeze them out of the market in various ways. Only the local government can become an arbiter who decides which station to live and who will have to close. So far, this process has been left to SGK, which in various ways removes competitors from the market, including environmentally friendly gas boiler houses.

It is necessary to open all the data on the atmospheric emissions of all TPPs and boiler houses. In Krasnoyarsk, this became one of the main demands at a recent protest rally. Then it will become clear how the cleaning systems meet modern requirements and which of them need to be replaced.

The deadlines for closing ash dumps of thermal power plants and the restoration of their territories should be determined. Only in Russia ash dumps are still allowed.

Scientists and experts hope that sooner or later, officials and deputies will hear them. In the nineteenth century, no one believed Marx when he predicted that the ghost of communism was already roaming Europe. So the authorities of the Siberian regions do not want to admit the obvious: the Krasnoyarsk ghost of the black sky is already following them.
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  1. kos 75 5 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    Omsk has been poisoned by poisonous emissions for several years, and the authorities are pretending that they cannot find who is doing this.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 5 March 2020 07: 01 New
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      Yes, here it is not in a particular city. The point is in the system. And our system is privately owned. The author here led us around and around, but he didn’t say the essence. Why is this happening? Someone in proportion !? And who knows? Like no one. And here the question looms. What to do? This is followed by another question. Who to do? If you share, of course you will not do anything! If not up to date, too! Well? AND? Have you arrived? We do not solve the issue? I think with the existing system, the issue is not resolved. Why? Who is ready to frostbite his ears or cut off his leg? Wishing to eat? Trim your income? Is there any power? On guard of whose interests is this power? Are there any revenues from the wards in power? Well, of course, there are no income from pensioners! From the workers? Also no! What about business? And here is an ambush! And what to do? We do not solve the issue? In the framework of capitalism, it seems we are not deciding absolutely! 300% profit tower demolishes completely! What to do? We must change the system! A country for the population, not a population for the business! Is there such a system? There is! Socialism! The system for the benefit of the population! But there are opponents to this. This is not an advertisement. This is a statement of fact!
      1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 07: 56 New
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        Speaking of seditious thoughts :) Now they will run into fools and zaputintsy and throw minuses :) laughing
        PySy. Putin could not be mistaken. Not until 16.02.20 he personally awarded the Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory (incidentally having a German residence permit) the Order of Alexander Nevsky
        1. Mestny 5 March 2020 08: 44 New
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          So this is all your communism built.
          Or what, then there were no problems? Was the smoke in the atmosphere fit, communist?
          1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 08: 46 New
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            They built it. Unlike the current tru-dimakratoff. And there were problems too and they were solved.
            It's just that the attitude of the authorities towards people now causes nothing but disgust.
            1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 03 New
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              So what about smoke and ecology in the USSR?
              Did you live there, saw what black or yellow snow is? I've seen it.
              Nobody solved any problems - everything smoked wherever it could, and merged anywhere.
              And nothing, not a single dissatisfied did not pickle.
              1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 09: 26 New
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                Personally, I saw both black snow and orange. And these problems were, but they were SOLVED. They put sewage treatment plants and others. Yes, at that level of technological development, they now seem primitive - but they were solved.
                There was also a lot of negativity in the same USSR, ranging from repositories with nuclear waste to landfills.
                But these problems, too, were not left without supervision.
                I’m telling you about the attitude of the authorities towards the common people - now, except for disgust, the authorities do not cause anything. Her disregard for her assets and real estate abroad is what she thinks.
                About 300% profit.
                What about the people? And what to take from him? Throw a handout, women still give birth.
                You have one thing to understand, while the temporary workers are in power - and Putin and his EdRo are just temporary workers, there can be no talk of any greatness of the state. Is the ecology bad? So their children do not live there, but who will take care of the slaves?
                1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 32 New
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                  They decided, they decided ... but they didn’t decide.
                  And the attitude of the authorities towards the people did not help.
                  Do you know why? Because neither then nor now does the technology of clean production exist in such volumes and in such a climatic zone. Therefore, in the USSR no one was particularly puzzled. We needed products - we built factories with single-industry towns.
                  Everything smoked and merged without delay.
                  What was the "ecology" you can search in the archives. Although then everything was closed and classified. In the newspapers, they wrote something completely different, that everything is fine, forward to a brighter future.

                  You can build an environmentally friendly plant. But its products will cost like a flight into space.
                  And those in VO the same will vote about the fact that China is all cheap, but with us as always. And of course the power will be guilty again.
                  1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 09: 57 New
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                    Sergey, I won’t say anything, argue or anything else. I will just ask one simple question.
                    Where are 25 million new high-tech jobs?
                    1. Mestny 5 March 2020 10: 37 New
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                      And you have to ask this.
                      How so? There are no jobs, but factories are working. So much so that I had to open another front of the war with the authorities for the environment.
                      Who works there? Are robots really?
                      1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 10: 48 New
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                        Oh, how do we translate the arrows well! Already a sight for sore eyes!
                        Well, let’s do it, strain your brain, and ask - why do we have pollution? Is it because there are no ecologists? What do the states of workplaces in wastewater treatment plants not open? Is it because no one is investing in new technologies, which would again entail the creation of new jobs?
                        You don’t shift from a sick head to a healthy one.
                      2. Mestny 5 March 2020 11: 01 New
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                        I say it again. These environmental technologies with such production volumes in this region are insanely expensive. The products of such enterprises will cost as gold.
                        Nobody needs her like that. Then you will yell about the inefficiency of the economy, referring to China.
                        By the way, the USSR also knew about this, and they didn’t bother with the word ecology at all.
                        Why do we need to demand and yell right now that which, in principle, is not feasible?
                      3. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 11: 05 New
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                        These environmental technologies with such production volumes in this region are insanely expensive. The products of such enterprises will cost as gold.

                        Close the production? But do not open a new one?
                        What are your decisions?
                        I, I believe that the following is necessary:
                        1. Put a sewage treatment plant.
                        2. Do not include environmental costs in production costs, but put them on the state budget. In any situation, and in the whole world, we have subsidized branches.
                        3. Enter PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Governor and Mayor for Ecology.
                        What are your suggestions?
            2. vkl.47 5 March 2020 10: 47 New
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              You didn’t see anything further than the manitor. You’ve gone through a baloney rail. In your 90’s they sold everything. The whole country. They used to plant these plants. All the trees were WHITE FROM LIME. (Gzhel limestone) people died of asthma. times did not think about the people. neither shit nor communists.
              1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 10: 52 New
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                You didn’t see anything further than the manitor. The balcony is balcony.

                And why did you decide that I am a liberal? Can I write me back to foreign agents?
                I believe that you are a canonical member of EdRa?
          2. igor67 5 March 2020 18: 35 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            So what about smoke and ecology in the USSR?
            Did you live there, saw what black or yellow snow is? I've seen it.
            Nobody solved any problems - everything smoked wherever it could, and merged anywhere.
            And nothing, not a single dissatisfied did not pickle.

            I don’t agree with you, I remember perfectly black and yellow (from coal) smoke, there was nothing to breathe in the city, then before the Olympics the boiler houses were switched to fuel oil, and then in the 80s it became noticeable to gas, the private sector with the advent of gas also began to switch to geysers
            1. Burchalkin 7 March 2020 14: 56 New
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              In the seventies, did boiler houses transfer from coal to MAZUT for environmental reasons? Joke. Fuel oil is a lot more dirty fuel than coal, ask in Murmansk, where there is one of the few remaining fuel oil plants in Russia. And it was used where there are problems with the availability of other types of fuel for the most part or exclusively for kindling boilers
              1. igor67 7 March 2020 16: 18 New
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                Quote: Burchalkin
                In the seventies, did boiler houses transfer from coal to MAZUT for environmental reasons? Joke. Fuel oil is a lot more dirty fuel than coal, ask in Murmansk, where there is one of the few remaining fuel oil plants in Russia. And it was used where there are problems with the availability of other types of fuel for the most part or exclusively for kindling boilers

                fuel oil was quickly replaced with gas, literally in two or three years, I was unloading coal from my grandmother and grandfather, brought two tons under the yard, buckets into the barn, and when they switched to gas, they destroyed all the stoves, in the mother-in-law’s house there was gas heating, but the stove stayed
    2. ximkim 5 March 2020 09: 39 New
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      GDP flew to Krasnoyarsk before the election, spent the night in the city (and emissions at night, black sky mode). So it then caught a cold)))
      1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 09: 42 New
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        Ay-ah-ah ... It’s not good how the Garant was treated ...
        And let's transfer the thought to Krasnoyarsk (forgive me, residents of Krasnoyarsk), maybe then the problems will be solved faster?
        1. ximkim 5 March 2020 09: 50 New
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          Oh, no))) All this then will drag on for years, and maybe decades))
        2. dauria 5 March 2020 12: 52 New
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          And let's transfer the thought to Krasnoyarsk (forgive me, residents of Krasnoyarsk)


          good "Forgive me, residents .." is a masterpiece.
  2. spirit 5 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    Do not confuse business with opportunists like Timchenko and others who live by the feudal rules of the Middle Ages, led by the monarch, if the region were just the same as a federation cell with its freedoms and self-government and not on manual control on a principle closer to dad, then the same real business and people who left it in self-government structures would have kicked out such feudal comrades, but in the Monarchy this is impossible because it poses a threat to the royal family hi
  3. _Sergei_ 5 March 2020 09: 03 New
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    There in Soviet times it was even worse, but everyone was silent or discussed in the kitchen. And now the Internet is where you can scream what you want. Specifically, according to the author of this opus, he already has the third article about SGK. Looks like they torn from the feeder. After it arrived SGK began to carry out reconstruction of thermal power plants and heating systems. And before SGK only loot was collected. But there were no articles on ecology. Everything was amazing. But SGK has come and the environment has become a problem. The article is another order.
  4. knn54 5 March 2020 09: 19 New
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    Does the cogeneration plant work at 2/3? So close the municipal boiler rooms, which have ineffective filters and pipes, with a height of not more than 35 m.
    Is the environment violated due to the hydroelectric power station? So, for residents (and not only), the supply of electric energy should be at minimal, even scanty, tariffs. Switching the same private owners and workshops to electric heating will significantly reduce emissions.
    -Well, and plant trees of certain species, several tens of thousands a year. I recall Donetsk, though it was in the days of the USSR. A sea of ​​parks, and clean air. And around there are also a sea of ​​mines and thermal power plants.
    Something like this.
  5. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 20 New
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    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
    Yes, here it is not in a particular city. The point is in the system. And our system is privately owned.

    Where do you have it? In a single head?
    Does the system personally hate you? This happens.
    But it is you personally. And someone the other way around. Do not generalize at all.
  6. Million 5 March 2020 09: 51 New
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    This is the market economy of Yeltsin-Putin!
    She has a population for business!
  7. NordUral 5 March 2020 13: 40 New
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    A country for the population, not a population for the business! Is there such a system? There is! Socialism! The system for the benefit of the population!

    Yes, this already does not need the population, especially Russian.
  • Svarog 5 March 2020 07: 50 New
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    Quote: kos 75
    Omsk has been poisoned by poisonous emissions for several years, and the authorities are pretending that they cannot find who is doing this.

    They don’t look .. the power has grown together with business, it’s a monolith .. And the power defends the interests of business, but they don’t plan to spend money on the environment in Russia, since they live in Russia a little, well, at least where it’s especially childish try not to appear ..
    Here the whole world was struck by a coronavirus, and we have only 7 cases of the disease .. Do you know why so few? So we don’t have to take a steam bath on this issue .. they just don’t do an analysis of what you are sick with .. flu and flu, but what kind of a drum is it there ..
    1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Here the whole world was struck by a coronavirus, and we have only 7 cases of the disease ..

      There is a strong agreement with your concern.
      Well, those who are trying to throw fakes about panic and mass infections. The junior link usually calls schools about planted bombs. And whoever is engaged in serious business is older - he clogs the information space with a blackie. The method is proven.
      1. Svarog 5 March 2020 10: 00 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        Well, those who are trying to throw fakes about panic and mass infections

        What fakes, in Naberezhnye Chelny in September-October 2019, a flu wave swept, followed by pneumonia, a girl who went to kindergarten with my daughter died a mother, my friend died a husband .. and doctors say that there were a lot of deaths from pneumonia BUT there is silence everywhere .. Just arrived, I brought the child from the infectious diseases hospital, lay for 8 days .. we were diagnosed with the flu 5 days after they put it .. but what kind of flu nobody reported .. We do not give a damn about everything. .What panic ... all the shit ..
        1. Mestny 5 March 2020 10: 26 New
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          No wonder. Unfortunately, this happens.
          WHO: up to 650 thousand people die from influenza every year
          https://vademec.ru/news/2017/12/14/voz-nedootsenil-dannye-po-smertnosti-ot-grippa/
          And this is without any Chinese viruses.

          Why is it necessary to shout against this background that "the power is hiding from us, but in fact mass deaths"?
          1. Svarog 5 March 2020 10: 44 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            Why is it necessary to shout against this background that "the power is hiding from us, but in fact mass deaths"?

            The power does not hide, the power simply scored on the coronavirus .. Nowhere can we take an analysis and be examined for it .. this can be done only when you are already sick and then no one will tell you what specific flu is .. It’s just a careless and sloppy attitude to their citizens .. The whole world is on our ears, and we all do not care .. around the world there are a huge number of patients, and we only have 7 .. Nonsense and everything is with us like that, for show's sake ..
            1. Mestny 5 March 2020 11: 03 New
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              Well, here we are. We have everything for show, since the days of the autocracy.
    2. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 12: 14 New
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      You can also add that the regime of the "black sky" is not covered by any state channel. All these Solovyovs, Kiselevs, Siomonyans, Skabeyevs and others can only praise someone, yell about "you want to like in Ukraine." And God forbid to mention some party, if not in a laudatory manner.
  • ghby 5 March 2020 11: 57 New
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    Quote: kos 75
    Omsk has been poisoned by poisonous emissions for several years, and the authorities are pretending that they cannot find who is doing this.
    countryman fellow
    oooh, the familiar smell of ethyl mercaptan, which is periodically felt in all corners of the city of Omsk, causing mass calls to an ambulance, which these days simply sewn up:
    Among the side effects caused by ethyl mercaptan are headache, nausea, dizziness, irritation of the upper respiratory tract, loss of coordination and, in rare cases, drug intoxication. At risk are also the kidneys and liver.
    Smell the smell of ethyl mercaptan on the street get ready with headaches ....
    There are persistent rumors that the source of emissions is located at the Omsk refinery of Gazprom, and in order to eliminate the cause, it is necessary to stop some installation that is not economically beneficial to the owners of the refinery. Therefore, everyone is searching, searching and can’t find in any way, well, no one has the will to point out the culprit and stop the ONPZ with the goal of eliminating leaks, well, and even more so through something inconsistent .... And indeed there is no will to object to ONPZ at all you can get a hat ....
  • Den717 5 March 2020 06: 09 New
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    It was only upon her arrival in Krasnoyarsk that a substantive conversation began on solving environmental problems: the residents were firmly promised the metro, the mass elimination of coal-fired boilers and the introduction of new treatment equipment in the most dirty local industries.

    Some kind of cave situation. The official came and saw .... And what, according to the papers of the department’s statements, was not visible? Coal, of course, is too early to disregard the energy balance. But now it’s time to get the owners of the coal business to conduct or actively finance productive development of technologies similar to the American program “clean coal”. Our coal industry is all privatized. It is clear that they themselves are not very interested in financing science, and it is unlikely that they will be able to organize for this without state participation. Therefore, the head of Rosprirodnadzor does not need to travel so much as to develop legislative initiatives that stimulate the technological development of one of the most "dirty" sectors of the country's economy. And even then the Chinese are starting to lose in the growth rate of coal efficiency.
  • saigon 5 March 2020 06: 09 New
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    Yes, the black sky in Krasnoyarsk is not an eerie image, it is a fact against which you can’t argue.
    It was terrible in the morning at the entrance to the city I could see from which only high-rises stick out.
    The truth is not sure that only the boiler rooms are to blame, the city is, as it were, in a pit around the spurs of the mountains, the hollow, and we get a black sky.
    And I'm afraid that it’s not boiler rooms, but cars are more to blame.
    1. FORCE 38GB 5 March 2020 06: 58 New
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      Hello to the neighbors! bully In Irk oblast, there is also a specific catastrophe .. Bratsk .. the city is in the eternal poison of the BLPK and to the load of BrAZ .. Already even the Oncology Center has its own .. In addition to the regional .. This is a hint of a basic diagnosis for people living in our area. Children are born without a chance of health ... And then in Moscow they are surprised that people from Siberia are falling .. YES BECAUSE WE WANT TO LIVE !!!
      1. bessmertniy 5 March 2020 08: 33 New
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        The activities of numerous industries polluting the air in Siberia and the Far East lead to a global catastrophe. Today, experts note that these territories are warming most rapidly compared with others both in our country and abroad. Dark fractions settling on the snow cover shorten his life. The reflection of solar radiation drops sharply and heat storage increases sharply. Unfortunately, in the studies of scientists, the constant reduction of temporary snow cover is practically not taken into account, despite the fact that the reduction of glaciers and permanent ice of the Arctic is somehow taken into account. hi
        1. Mestny 5 March 2020 08: 53 New
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          Where did the numerous production come from? After all, everyone knows that the damned oligarchs sold everything, and the poor people eat up the last hedgehogs.
        2. Burchalkin 7 March 2020 14: 59 New
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          The snow in the Arctic is clean. What are the industries in the Arctic? Glaciers are melting because the temperature of the planet is rising. Gas burning in this regard does not help at all
    2. olezenka1 5 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      So my city looks from the top of the ski slopes even on a clear sunny day. The word haze takes on a direct meaning.
      1. bessmertniy 5 March 2020 09: 05 New
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        Indeed, today over every Siberian and Far Eastern large or medium city - could. True, for some of them it is believed that cars are the main polluter of the urban environment. But in some cases this is debatable. I dare add the following argument: a global catastrophe is also driven by the fact that Siberia and the Far East are also taking on powerful Chinese air pollution. fellow And in this country, industry is not destroyed and very, very smokes. negative I advise you to look on the Internet that you will be given the "pollution of Chinese cities." So: the Chinese "soot" also warms up our regions, which are covered in snow for a long time in the year, reflecting the excess heat for our planet into space. Snow cover life is shrinking dramatically, and global warming is taking on an uncontrollable pace. hi Something like that. request
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      So far, the village is running into the city.
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    in Krasnoyarsk, what can you do, the city is located in a hollow, but most of the enterprises of the city’s contaminants have forgotten for a long time and the motor vehicles themselves have made a small contribution to the “dirt”, especially new areas at rush hour, architects made a big “gift” in this matter and builders, having built houses where in Soviet times they didn’t even think of doing this, blocking the air currents with high-rises.
    1. FORCE 38GB 5 March 2020 07: 03 New
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      You in the "Land" are still bearable ... In the "Sosnyak" (Sosnovoborsk) there are generally norms! :) But in Bratsk, we (Irk.obl) specifically made a mistake with the wind rose .... negative
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        And who built the city in such a place?
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          Quote: _Sergey_
          And who built the city in such a place?

          This was all done by the Cossacks in 1631, and in Krasnoyarsk three years earlier. In Krasnoyarsk, the main impetus for the development of industrial production was during the war, not from a good life. The Second World War gave an impetus to the development of many cities in Siberia. Then there was no time for ecology. Here are just vehicles today gives no more than 20% of emissions. This has already been discussed online. The current governor has given the president the whole country that motoring is to blame. He just kept silence that his son owns a coal mine, which produces "some" 2 million tons of brown coal. And where is he going? At the CHP. Well, about forest fires, which is not profitable to extinguish - a separate pearl. And the fires suddenly appeared when they began to promote the "forestry". We must somehow hide the machinations with the forest. Well, when considering the issue of emissions, you need to take into account that a large number of the largest enterprises, even for the country's scale, have closed: SIBTYAZHMASH, Combine factory, Khimvolokno, silk factory, Krasfarma (factory of medical preparations), rubber products, tire, television factory, radio factory, PPM, MLC , Sibstal, Sibelektrostal, Krastyazhmash, Pikra brewery, Yenisei chemical plant, jaw excavator plant, trailer plant (town-forming, Sosnovoborsk, 20 km from Krasnoyarsk, once part of the Leninsky district of Krasnoyarsk), ship construction plant, ship repair plant, feed mill, expanded clay factory, Divnogorsk low-voltage equipment plant (Divnogorsk, 35 km from Krasnoyarsk, the city-forming after the construction of the hydroelectric station) ... This is a memory, I will not list further. All of them gave emissions. There were dirty areas, but there was no such "black sky". Zheleznogorsk used to be heated by the heat of an atomic reactor, and then the “partners” helped to close this reactor and built a thermal power plant in Sosnovoborsk, and it smokes there throughout the district. Something like this...
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            Under the USSR, coal was drowned in the same way. All sections and mines belonged to the state. Plus all of the above plants. In fact, since then only aluminum has dramatically increased production volumes. So, then everything was cool, and now suddenly a terrible problem arose? In Sosnovoborsk, I don’t know how it is now, but before, the thermal power station worked on fuel oil, of course it smokes. But they lived somehow. Trucks really have become many times more, is not it?
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 5 March 2020 06: 49 New
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    The absurd excuses of the Krasnoyarsk governor of Uss: they say that the black sky above the city is the historical heritage of unreasonable ancestors, and a sluggish imitation of environmental protection only added fuel to the fire. The head of Rosprirodnadzor Svetlana Radionova has recently hastened to extinguish the mass discontent of the townspeople.

    These townspeople are already completely insolent. What kind of people are they?
    The governor twists his own business, is engaged in business, and then these "walkers" came to demand the solution of environmental problems!
    Yeah, now the governor will give up everything, stop stealing and protecting, and rush to engage in ecology !!!
    1. FORCE 38GB 5 March 2020 07: 08 New
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      And here it’s not only ecology ... here we have to extinguish fires "it is not economically profitable ..."
  • rocket757 5 March 2020 07: 12 New
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    Normal ecology, this is "not the concern of the rich" who specifically profit from that !!! moreover, they keep their children and household away, away from poison and Chernukha!
    Create a law ... you poison life for people, LIVE WITH CHADS AT THE MOST EPICENTER !!! otherwise get out of the mud, poisoner!
    I read it in a book! ironic fantasies of the author, in my life this has never happened anywhere and never!
    1. Mestny 5 March 2020 08: 52 New
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      Oh how! To cry for the environment. Say, damned capitalists.
      How so? After all, every fighter with the regime knows that this power has not built anything - the entire legacy of a beautiful USSR.
      Could the one built in the USSR pollute the air? Can not be.
      1. rocket757 5 March 2020 09: 07 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        Could the one built in the USSR pollute the air? Can not be.

        Read the statistics ... polluted for a long time, since the time of "King Peas"! The stronger the industrialization of the country, the more polluted !!!
        Your "hint" that they are now criticizing for the mote, but before you did not see logs in your eye !!!
        Wake up FINALLY, the conversation goes HERE and NOW!
        1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 17 New
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          No guys. This trick will not work.
          Here and now does not exist by itself. Only with "then."
          So Putin closed the plants, or not? If you closed it, what were you so worried about here - then what is there so badly violating the ecology?
          And if not - it turns out then many lied here? Then they lied, and now they are telling the truth? Have your eyes opened?
          No, it turns out and now they lie.
          This is the essence - the crowd at the command to fly into what is ordered.
          Now the ecology team
          1. rocket757 5 March 2020 09: 39 New
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            Here and now does not exist by itself.

            In principle, this is true, but then let's OBJECTIVELY!
            Where I have written that THEN there was butter, and now it’s solid tar ... find at least one example regarding ECOLOGY!
            For all, all, it is NOT INTERESTING to answer me, there was enough foolishness both then and now.
            Quote: Mestny
            And if not - it turns out then many lied here? Then they lied, and now they are telling the truth? Have your eyes opened?

            This is strictly individual.
            It is possible to single out general trends, then and now, laws / rules for ecology, how this was respected or not ... this is a subject for comparison, only according to real facts, a source like OBS is not quoted.
            1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 46 New
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              I was amused that all this was happening all of a sudden. Suddenly.
              For example, a team about AvtoVAZ passed. Everything raced. The entire Internet is clogged with chernukha. There are buckets, and the environment, and on the verge of closure, and our money was taken from pensioners and invested there, and so on.
              And suddenly, as if on command - complete silence. Just complete. The plant seemed to work, and it works. Has everyone been happy with everything?
              About Roscosmos the same story. Exactly the same, with all the attributes.
              Now about the environment. Again, suddenly, and of course in friendly hordes.
              In itself, this circumstance should cause distrust of the topic in any normal person.
              Have environmental problems? Yes there is. Are they so critical compared to the need to increase production? No, not so much. Increasing production at this stage is much more important.
              So these sudden dances around ecology can be considered only in two versions - a specific order, for specific manufacturers, or as another element of the information war against the country.
              Probably production is really increasing, and the time has come to begin the struggle already with its existence.
              It's like about the Crimean bridge. First, screaming that it can’t be, then that it’s all cartoons, and when it is already there, it’s about extreme harm to the environment and shipping.
              One-on-one tricks.
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                They want to arrange economic "circumcision" in our country, THIS IS EXPLICABLE! The methods will not be limited, this is also clear for a long time ....
                as I already wrote, it’s worse and worse than anyone we have, but this is a small part of the country's population. They just stick out and shout loudly. One and the same, there will be no expansion of the process if the upper ones do not begin to “play along” with unreasoned actions. In my opinion, the problem is not at the bottom, the problem at the top and the shattering of the country can only be carried out from there
                after all, then it will no longer matter to us if a catastrophe occurs .... after a "fight", it makes sense to wave our hands .. what kind of shovels and picks will have to be taken up again by the whole world.
                Only Russia itself can defeat Russia !!!
                And now the question is - And where is the WEAK RING?
                1. Mestny 5 March 2020 10: 21 New
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                  And reliably we learn this only after overcoming the point of bifurcation, so to speak.
                  If revolution and catastrophe means a weak link in power.
                  If we go further, it means that the weak link is our enemies, the authors of the concepts of such revolutions.
                  In the meantime, we can only subjectively butt each other on the forums. Everyone has their own ideas about the weak link.
                  What does this mean? The fact that neither you, nor I, nor any of those present here can constructively influence the development of events, since we do not have the reliable information necessary for this. And therefore, all our conclusions and actions will be wrong.
                  This is what I need.
                  Do not break your spears and draw global conclusions. It is not worth taking so close what is written is unknown what, unknown by whom, and unknown for what purpose.
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    The fact that neither you, nor I, nor any of those present here can constructively influence the development of events, since we do not have the reliable information necessary for this. And therefore, all our conclusions and actions will be wrong.

                    WE CAN’t influence while we are engaged in individual "creativity" ... but because there are no prerequisites for unification, it means for a long time!
                    But GUESS, someone can, partially or completely. There are many “fortunetellers-broadcasters”, many versions, someone will hit the nail on the head.
                    Quote: Mestny
                    Do not break your spears and draw global conclusions. It is not worth taking so close what is written is unknown what, unknown by whom, and unknown for what purpose.

                    I always said that here, there are just talkers ... who just needs to be, and whoever let off steam. This is nothing and nothing.
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      Quote: rocket757
      Normal ecology, this is "not the concern of the rich" who specifically profit from that !!! moreover, they keep their children and household away, away from poison and Chernukha!
      Create a law ... you poison life for people, LIVE WITH CHADS AT THE MOST EPICENTER !!! otherwise get out of the mud, poisoner!
      I read it in a book! ironic fantasies of the author, in my life this has never happened anywhere and never!


      Where is the epicenter? In the electrolysis shops of an aluminum plant to settle them? Who specifically? All the officials? American aluminum smelters?
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        Quote: Burchalkin
        Who specifically? All the officials? American aluminum smelters?

        We have enough of our beneficiaries. Start with them! And it is possible to curb foreign ones only by LEGISLATION, which they do in normal countries ... where they can and want, of course.
        Question - And can they? do they want ???
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        Where is the epicenter? In the electrolysis shops of an aluminum plant to settle them?

        Where other people are FORCED to live and breathe all sorts of nastiness ... no one calls to reach the point of absurdity.
  • Horst78 5 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    Russian legislation and law enforcement agencies are very loyal to air poisoners, especially in the Trans-Urals. In the Russian Constitution, the right of citizens to a favorable environment is formulated as abstract and vague as possible.
    Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. At us in Strezhevoy, the prosecutor’s office only as soon as he sees the torch in the field, so the brain immediately makes it. But also Siberia. A few years ago, one micro-oil company (totaling 3 bushes) was fined almost half a billion through a court, and the other day, Governor Zhvachkin did not recall it with a kind word. So the local authorities have enough authority. Only someone does not need it.
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      half a billion in court fined

      When there is someone to take, what not to fine! Try it from the private sector or district boiler houses.
      1. Horst78 5 March 2020 08: 31 New
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        When there is someone to take, what not to fine!
        I wrote a micro oil company. Oil production in 2018 amounted to 79,263 thousand tons. Https://yuzhno-ohteurskoe.ru/ production-neft/ is nothing.
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          it's about nothing.

          To 80 thousand. t, and to whom - 312 billion rubles
  • g1washntwn 5 March 2020 07: 15 New
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    ALL housing sector - unprofitable segment. Initially and always. Because it is a social segment of the state economy, and today it, and education with health care, and culture, and the rest are thrown into commerce. According to the principle "wants to live - it will come up", state support consists only in screaming from the shore where to swim ... yes, and sometimes it seems that they themselves do not know to which shore they want to send the drowning. The socially oriented ideology has died - everything that supported it has died. Rotten heating pipes - sorry for the comparison, corpses, the remains of that system. Reanimate will not work. Here, either social state policy working in conjunction with the economy, or this economy is a market free of state interference and the consumer is responsible for the entire burden (garbage reform). State support, subsidies, etc. - this is actually also the money of the population, which simply did not reach its pockets.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 5 March 2020 07: 18 New
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    Well, that’s it. Everything was gone - blackness overhead ... it crushes and crushes ... crying If you don’t think badly ...
    It always has been. Back when I was a student in 83, I saw yellow snow falling from the sky. Normal snow ... only yellow. Krasnoyarsk in the hollow, approaching from the hill you can see a dark hat covering the city and nothing can be done. Although you can transfer the city ... or demolish it.
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      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      It always has been. Back when I was a student in 83, I saw yellow snow falling from the sky.

      It was the right snow, socialist. And this is wrong, capitalist.
  • nikvic46 5 March 2020 07: 36 New
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    This issue should be addressed by real authoritative scientists, but not by public scientists, who know more about baobab than about birch trees. This plume of attitudes towards ecology has been going on for more than a century. Now many argue that climate change is not caused by humans. Cows and swamps In addition to the visible threat, there is an invisible one. This threat arose almost a century ago. And not our fault. Nuclear tests, where France managed to move the tectonic plate. Radiation has increased significantly. Scientists have a place to work.
  • viktor_ui 5 March 2020 07: 38 New
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    Ussss is simply a moral disaster, and to it one place is ecology, the townspeople ... and everything else, except for their own incomes. We are the RESOURCE for them - everything else is CHAPTER. And if for garlic, then the country in terms of ecology and medical care is more and more like a sump. If you turn your face-face back and compare what happened during the USSR, DEGRADATION is OBVIOUS where you don’t “spit” it. Would you like a vivid example in terms of the level of regional medicine based on my city? Catch: they brought to the city the device of complex diagnostics "quantum medicine" - the development of the foundation was done already in 1956 with a shaggy year. Well, this box, connected to a computer in 2-4 minutes, makes a comprehensive examination of the whole organism of the client in 4 MINUTES with a listing of everything and everything in terms of the physicochemical state of the patient. The doctors themselves tested on themselves - getting to the point of 85-89% in a subjective way ... and no blood sampling or other crap. An invasive diagnostic method in all its glory. As a result, the conclusion of medical therapists ... it works FASTER, EFFICIENT and we will become superfluous for the most part. And now the funny thing is - this box is stamped in China and the 3rd generation of the product is already being produced. It already chichas advises what to do and where to run according to the identified deviations ... and in the near future to learn how to formulate the recipe. I do not advertise this device, but I cast a spell on its capabilities as a techie. Yes, and here’s what I thought ... if it were for our government, city governors, together with all their causes, to be replaced with such iron - 100% efficiency would be utterly higher. There are many managers, but few specialists.
    PS Previously, after cleaning the drains in my city, carps were bred for sale in them - they are no longer bred.
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    Yeah.
    From childhood, I was sure that Siberia, and even more so Transbaikalia, was an example of environmental friendliness.
    And the article and comments on it, like cold water doused ....
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      Do not believe everything that is written.
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    Hit a SGK. Someone, but not Novosib, complain about the environment. Everything blows off there, already ears are wrapped. There are Novokuznetsk, Guryevsk-Salair, for example. And from CHP, in comparison with other pollutants, it falls the least.
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      Well, yes, everything blows away, but to the city ...
  • anjey 5 March 2020 08: 38 New
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    It’s time to come up with a new concept for Europe, Coal instead of gas, coal as a more environmentally harmful hydrocarbon, for them, and gas, more environmentally friendly, for us, only poor Gazprom will blow up on our relatives laughing
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      Did you read about export pipelines and therefore decided that everything was gas there? In fact, in Europe as a whole (depending on the country, of course), and so much more coal is burned in% ratio than in Russia. By the way, Russia sells not only gas but also coal. Even all such green Netherlands buy green energy green energy, and a reserve is needed, but gas or coal in the fight against global warming is indifferent. Gazprom may not go broke, but it will be unprofitable for the population to cover Gazprom’s costs
  • Mestny 5 March 2020 08: 48 New
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    A style article is a typical order from the early 2000s.
    Well, then, as expected, the trolls came running, and let's cry about bad power.
    This is all the same for what to yell.
    Few industry - bad, no work, Putin is to blame, we are all dead.
    A lot of industry - bad, pollutes the air, Putin is to blame, we are all dead.
    A dirty but fortunately cheap information war.
    1. avia12005 5 March 2020 08: 53 New
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      Do you happen to live in Krasnoyarsk?
      1. Mestny 5 March 2020 08: 59 New
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        No, but I did. And according to the style of the article - a typical, recognizable order of regular wrestlers with cutting.
        Here in VO, crowds of such people wept and wrung their hands about the closure of factories by hateful authorities. But under Stalin they only built, and under Putin they just closed it — they sobbed.
        Well, it turns out not only close. Here are the plants, they work.
        Wrong again? Or plants are needed - but somewhere out there, far away?
        1. avia12005 5 March 2020 09: 01 New
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          And why didn’t you please the environmentally friendly gas plants and thermal power plants in Siberia? And there is not a word about Putin in the article, but about the local authorities, to whom everything is a light bulb - that’s yes.
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            I was pleased. But I do not build them.
            And then the question is - why they were not built in the USSR? Here it is clear, already singing above the choir about the oligarchs, capitalists and anti-human dir.
            And why in the USSR? The snow was the appropriate color, and everything smoked to its fullest.
            Probably because all this was popular, and therefore not harmful, but vice versa?
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              I do not think so. The oligarchs have enough funds to minimize the environmental consequences of their enterprises. Melnichenko, the owner of SGK, has the largest private yacht in the world. And he is one of the 10 largest Russian billionaires. He does not live in Russia, but lives on a yacht in the Mediterranean Sea. And it does not pay taxes.
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                The oligarchs have enough funds to minimize the environmental consequences of their enterprises.

                And you see how, through environmentalists, with the support of the prosecutor’s office, corporations are “pressed”. Gas on the field burns - fine, refinery, steel plant, etc. - fine, oil, chemistry spilled - fine. You may not have met this, but I personally saw how the "big" leaders of a large oil enterprise explained themselves to the prosecutor for the torch at the UPSV. Look at the modernization of enterprises in Russia. Or is it "I haven’t seen it myself, then no?"
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                  This is alarming. They built enterprises, modernized, they work.
                  And suddenly - this is all bad again, this time in ecology. Again the dances and the universal cry "get up, rise the people."
                  Otherwise, the order cannot be considered.
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                  Please note, this is a CHP !!!!!!!!!!!
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            I do not think so. The oligarchs have enough funds to minimize the environmental consequences of their enterprises. Melnichenko, the owner of SGK, has the largest private yacht in the world. And he is one of the 10 largest Russian billionaires. He does not live in Russia, but lives on a yacht in the Mediterranean Sea. And it does not pay taxes.


            Well, I'm happy for him. He and Eurochem have a cool asset. And now, instead of using Gazprom’s funds from the sale of fertilizers, he will build a gas pipeline at his own expense? Or do environmentally friendly factories do for plant owners?
    2. kos 75 5 March 2020 10: 03 New
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      Here everyone has normal comments and there is only one troll - you are
      1. Mestny 5 March 2020 10: 14 New
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        What questions do not like?
        I thought you’ll be singing about the damned regime in chorus here?
        Already uninteresting. Your teeth are stuck on your teeth. Only change the name of the topic. Instead of ecology, insert any.
  • shinobi 5 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    An article about a painful person who argues, I myself live in such a city. When the wind blows from the direction of the thermal power plant, ash pours from the sky together with snow or for the place of snow. This is not counting emissions from a petrochemical plant. But such articles are needed in large editions and the Internet push resources, rather than narrow-profile type of HE.
    1. avia12005 5 March 2020 09: 02 New
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      Is the health of recruits suffering from such an ecology? Suffers. So the article to the point.
      1. Mestny 5 March 2020 09: 38 New
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        What do you offer? Specifically.
        Close? You will probably feel good. Where at the same time people get away you probably do not care. Nothing, but the air will be clean.
        In general, the best solution is revolution and civil war. The plants themselves will stop, people will kill each other, and long afterwards, for a century, nobody will be there.
        Nature is cleansed. The beauty.
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          I propose that the oligarch Melnichenko, the owner of SGK, be obliged to solve the environmental problem at his thermal power station. Authorities must take such a step
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            Why now?
            Is there really a problem only this year?
            All previous years, everyone was happy with everything?
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            I propose that the oligarch Melnichenko, the owner of SGK, be obliged to solve the environmental problem at his thermal power station.

            Okay, Krasnoyarsk. You have Zheleznogorsk nearby, and what to do with it?
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              Like that, to bring nuclear waste from around the world. Until the first leak, there will be nothing to worry about, and there the grass will not grow
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            I propose that the oligarch Melnichenko, the owner of SGK, be obliged to solve the environmental problem at his thermal power station. Authorities must take such a step


            They invest in ecology there (in particular, there is a major modernization at TPP-1). Then what, the aluminum smelter will disappear from this city somewhere?
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        How many do you think this resource visits? And how much is the same TASS, or even the AMF?
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          VO has about 300 thousand unique visitors per day. But these are people with an IQ far above average.
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            I agree, but who is listening to us?
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              Very much listen)))
  • GRIGORIY76 5 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    In the other direction, the power of Siberia needed to be built. But in general, why should the governor transfer heat and power plants to gas if his son owns coal mines?
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      So that the pipe for beauty lay? In the private sector, there are few who want to spend 50-100 thousand on connection, as well as those who want to pay a tariff in apartment buildings two to three times
  • Konatantin 1992 5 March 2020 16: 37 New
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    I am from the Novosibirsk region
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    As a person who is often in Krasnoyarsk, I can say that the situation is much worse than described in the article. What is not visible from the window of neighboring houses in those days when the level of air pollution is high is only one side of the disaster. The main threat for Krasnoyarsk residents and residents of nearby settlements is that this exorbitant level of air pollution affects primarily the health of the people living here ... I think it would be problematic to find in the public domain real data on Krasnoyarsk on the dynamics of the level of respiratory diseases and oncology. But there is no doubt that they are leaders in Russia! Many children have asthma, various allergic reactions, and I generally keep silent about oncology. And the situation is aggravated every year because the problem can not be solved! I will name the reasons: the old CHP plants in which there are antediluvian air purification equipment (the owners of which save as much as possible on the environmental component), the stupid chaotic building of the city with new skyscrapers that impede free air circulation, an abundance of vehicles ... Many Krasnoyarsk citizens leave the city for the European part Russia is either seriously thinking about moving precisely because of the catastrophic environmental degradation in the city. The situation can not be further resolved or "solved by chattering the problem and simulating violent activity", but in the end some kind of event will happen (it may be completely irrelevant to the environment), which will become a catalyst for popular discontent and then not a handful of people, but people the masses will take to the streets and call the authorities to account. Ps: To get to the 1st place (!!!) in terms of air pollution among all cities in the world, you need to try ... really hard ...
    1. Burchalkin 7 March 2020 15: 37 New
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      Yeah, even the building is to blame, but forgot about the biggest polluter in the city, the aluminum plant? To get to the first place in the ranking in which less than a hundred cities is not difficult, even Milan in the top ten repeatedly
  • Burchalkin 7 March 2020 15: 30 New
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    Quote: avia12005
    Please note, this is a CHP !!!!!!!!!!!


    So why are you talking only about CHP? Why do you have a wedge of light at the CHPP, but do not notice other pollutants at point blank range?