Syrian Air Force L-39 shot down by Turks over Idlib province

The Syrian Air Force lost another combat aircraft over Idlib. According to Orient TV channel in its Twitter account, the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter shot down a Syrian Air Force plane over Idlib province.

The loss of the aircraft confirms the Syrian news SANA, claiming that a government aircraft was shot down by a Turkish fighter when it participated in an anti-terrorist operation in Idlib. No further details of the incident are given.

The Turkish Ministry of Defense also confirms the destruction of the Syrian combat aircraft. According to a record in the official Twitter account of the Turkish military, the country's air force destroyed the L-39 aircraft of the Syrian army. It does not say that the aircraft was destroyed precisely by the F-16.

According to preliminary information, the pilot of the downed aircraft managed to eject, his searches began at the site of the alleged landing. The downed plane crashed near the city of Maaret al-Numan (southeast of Idlib province). However, there is no official message about the fate of the pilot.

The Syrian Ministry of Defense called the incident "an attack by terrorist forces of the Turkish regime on a Syrian military aircraft during an operation against terrorists."

Note that this is the third aircraft of the Syrian Air Force, shot down in recent days in the sky over the Syrian province of Idlib. On the eve of the Syrian Air Force, two Su-24 front-line bombers were shot down by Turkish F-16 fighters.

Earlier, the Syrian military department issued a statement on the closure of airspace over the northwestern regions of Syria, including the province of Idlib.

Comments

[Thrall]

Pro-Turkish publics write that the F-16 entered Syrian airspace for attack.
Moreover, one L-39 is allegedly shot down, the second is damaged.
Let's wait for the details.

[maxim947]

It’s a pity that they are so substituted ..

[Donkey driver]

What should they do? It's just donkeys, what can they do against the Turks?

[maxim947]

Take care of yourself and technology

[Donkey driver]

When you are from the sky or from a distance of 150 km. executed by what you can’t even reach in theory, it is somewhat annoying and narrows the possibilities.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Donkey driver

When you are from the sky or from a distance of 150 km. executed by what you can’t even reach in theory, it is somewhat annoying and narrows the possibilities.

Why 150 km? The Turks are armed with AIM-120C-7 with a range of up to 120 km, and not Meteor where 150 km. The output of armed Syrian fighter R-77-1, it is comparable in performance characteristics with AIM-120C-7. front-line bombers. A year ago, the Pakistani Air Force, armed with the same F-16s with AIM-120C-7, didn’t really succeed in shooting down Indian planes, if the downed MiG-21 and Su-30MKI were not shot down, the Pakistanis could not be shot down.

[Donkey driver]

I implied that they were hammering not only and not so much by aviation. It’s just the most PR.

[Evil Booth]

f16 doesn’t see it very well, and on hint entered from 50 well 70 ... everything that is worse than a hundred by a stroud see current heavyweights of the type su30 mig31 edge version of f15 and so it couldn’t ... f14 could but it has a narrow ardar grid which is without help Surveillance radars from the ground / Avax. current 31 was far now at new ranges it is only 35 and 31 bm and f22 or f16 for hundreds of kilometers can not be one for one for 1 ... blind. similarly, flying on soundboard on paper upon the fact of 2 minutes at a certain height with an uneasy weight.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Evil Booth

f16 it’s not very clear and on hint entered from 50 well 70 ...

and effective air combat to conduct at such a distance (more than 50 km) is difficult. Of course, if the pilots of the attacked aircraft are not full boobies
What with regards to sees, does not see, in vain that the Turks drove the AWACS aircraft ???

The Turkish Air Force Command issued an order to deploy a Boeing 737AEW & C early warning and control aircraft near the borders of the SAR

yesterday at

The main element of the avionics of the new aircraft is the "Mesa" radar (MESA - Multi-role Electronically Scanned Array), equipped with a fixed AFAR with electronic scanning of the beam pattern, developed by "Northrop-Grumman". Unlike the AN / APY-2 radar of the E-3 aircraft, the design of the station has no moving mechanical elements, which can significantly increase its reliability, reduce the size of the antenna and improve the aircraft's flight performance. The detection range of a coherent-pulse radar operating in the frequency range 1,2-1,4 GHz, with a circular view of space, exceeds 400 km. The number of targets detected per scan cycle reaches 3000.

If the L-39 was flunked precisely with the F-16 when pointing from AWACS, then the fighter had to enter the airspace of the ATS

[Evil Booth]

note -8)) it is necessary to write f16 all the same sees .. byloby +8

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Evil Booth

f16 he sees very

So he doesn’t really need to. The Turkish radar is also barring along the border. It also illuminates the targets.

[TermNachTer]

And where are the Syrian fighters and the Russians, by the way, too? Defenseless bombers are felled, as at a training ground.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

The Syrians have shaggy-age fighters, but they don’t touch our Turks. Because of an agreement. If ours fire at a Turk, and even in its territory it will be a howl to heaven

[TermNachTer]

But sending people to slaughter is also not an option. Is it really impossible to think of anything?

[Skubudu]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Quote: Donkey driver

When you are from the sky or from a distance of 150 km. executed by what you can’t even reach in theory, it is somewhat annoying and narrows the possibilities.

Why 150 km? The Turks are armed with AIM-120C-7 with a range of up to 120 km, and not Meteor where 150 km. The output of armed Syrian fighter R-77-1, it is comparable in performance characteristics with AIM-120C-7. front-line bombers. A year ago, the Pakistani Air Force, armed with the same F-16s with AIM-120C-7, didn’t really succeed in shooting down Indian planes, if the downed MiG-21 and Su-30MKI were not shot down, the Pakistanis could not be shot down.

How many military western aircraft were shot down by the R-77-1 missile? = 0
It is not correct to compare it with the AIM-120, which has shot down at least 10 MiGs.
The Indian dryers did not even reach the launch range of the R-77 on the F-16, and fled by flight

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Actually, the Pakistani su 30 just took off. You don’t need to extol f16 as a kind of child prodigy. Shoot it down is not a problem with the corresponding task

[Far East]

you and NICK are appropriate

[private person]

The Turks probably do not know that the sky is reliably covered by Syrian air defense and Russia does not guarantee security. So they will bring to nothing the Syrian Air Force.

[Andrey Koptelov]

Quote: Thrall

Pro-Turkish publics write that the F-16 entered Syrian airspace for attack.
Moreover, one L-39 is allegedly shot down, the second is damaged.
Let's wait for the details.

Can I ask you?

[Alekseev]

Quote: Thrall

Let's wait for the details.

Let's wait for the results. And now, judging by the comments, many themselves have become victims of the information war.
Citizens-strategists and lovers of "undoubted video evidence", no one will tell you the true truth about the course of hostilities, only the results will put everything in its place. So far, we can only say that there are intense battles with losses on both sides, without truthful concrete figures.

[knn54]

If you ENTER, you must shoot down. But I think that tactics like Israel’s shot down while in their airspace. Although Idlib is already considered his own.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: knn54

If you ENTER, you must shoot down.

only:
1. nothing. Bucky and Torah must be dragged under Idlib
2. whether there is enough determination. It’s one thing to overwhelm a drone, another thing is to shoot at a manned vehicle

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Thrall

Let's wait for the details.

The pilot was killed, the second one was missing. But why is the CAA command so clumsy working? After all, it was already known yesterday that Turkey took off its long-range detection aircraft into the air. It was clear that they had begun to graze Syrian air forces.

[loki565]

And what does the second pilot perform on L39?

[Zaurbek]

Details: F16 brought him down from his territory, but he found the target and aimed AWACS B-737 missiles at it

[Donkey driver]

What is the no-fly zone? How's it going? I understand that there not only the Turks were not guaranteed the safety of the sides, but also the Syrians)

[fruit_cake]

bots came running to defend the Turks, in the chat roulette Bandera’s clowns crawled out with Turkish flags in the background, in psychiatry it’s already possible to introduce new types of insanity looking at these mental disorders

[Donkey driver]

Does it bother you with specific facts and events? Rejection of real events and denial of reality is not any mental disorder?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: fruit_cake

bots came running to defend the Turks, in the chat roulette Bandera’s clowns crawled out with Turkish flags in the background, in psychiatry it’s already possible to introduce new types of insanity looking at these mental disorders

Many here, many in the "vsepalschiki" have long written me down. Well, I got bored alone, "proudly wearing this title" - all-pervading. And then, just in time, a video with Konstantin Sivkov came out. Meet the citizens, the next "all-consuming". Be sure to watch the video until the very end, all the salt of the video is in the last minutes:

PS How so? I am not familiar with Sivkov at all, and our thoughts came together almost a penny to a penny. Of course, I didn't have anything about the Kurds, I never said such a thing, but the rest is 100% coincidence. Now I am sitting in a riddle. Either Sivkov is also "all-consuming", or maybe just our analytics turned out to be the same, because it is adequate and corresponds to reality. But of course it's up to you to decide, dear minus.

[Donkey driver]

Yes, there are shots here, they will quickly prove to you right now that the Roman cohort piles light on a clean field to a modern motorized infantry battalion. They talk about Syria at the same level.

[Evil Booth]

yes there already ... I am writing to you mom second time from a burning tank

[Svarog]

Many here, many in the "vsepalschiki" have long recorded me

As time shows, "all-propals" are just people who are sensible and realistically looking at life.

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

As time shows

What time does it show?

[Svarog]

Quote: Serg65

What time does it show?

Since 2014, the situation in the economy, demography will only worsen - I wrote this ... And so it is .. Or does everything look rosy in your little world?

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

Since 2014, the situation in the economy

Those. with Crimea we frowned?

Quote: Svarog

demographics will only get worse

Demography is a capricious lady, and I already wrote about this too.

Quote: Svarog

Or does everything look rosy in your little world?

This is for you, my friend Vladimir, a little world! And I have a WORLD full of interesting, unknown and beautiful!

[cniza]

Everyone lives where he deserves to live ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Serg65

Those. with Crimea we frowned?

Not with Crimea, but with Ukraine .. it was necessary to go further and demolish Natsik .. Now we would have had a friendly state, 40ml. sales market, it would not be necessary to spend a lot of money on laying several branches of gas pipes and there would be many other obvious benefits .. Secondly, when they took Crimea, it was necessary to understand the consequences and take steps to stop them .. But how can we see, no action was taken, except for demagogy and stripping of the population ..

Demography is a capricious lady, and I already wrote about this too.

This is all the excuses of those who do nothing .. What has been done to increase the birth rate and reduce mortality? Just don’t talk about high-tech medicine, the guarantor himself confirmed a complete failure in this direction .. Like the economic failure, due to which the population became impoverished ..

And I have a WORLD full of interesting, unknown and beautiful!

When you discover, then there will be PEACE, but for now I will remain with my opinion .. Good luck in exploring the universe.

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

Not with Crimea, but with Ukraine

You already decide what is more important to you, the economy or martial law in the country?

Quote: Svarog

Now we would have a friendly state

Sechas would have had a thorn in the fifth point, the partisan Bandera movement, even greater sanctions and your even greater lament about the "poor Russian people"!

Quote: Svarog

These are all excuses for those who do nothing.

Well, I do not know about you, but I do

Quote: Svarog

thanks to which the population became impoverished

Well, this is personally your imagination!
And good luck in the fight against the motherland

[raki-uzo]

He needs to join a comedy club, but the speech will be long due to laughter and applause.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Leshy1975

PS How so? I am not familiar with Sivkov at all, and our thoughts came together almost a penny to a penny. Of course, I didn't have anything about the Kurds, I never said such a thing, but the rest is 100% coincidence. Now I am sitting in a riddle. Either Sivkov is also "all-consuming", or maybe just our analytics turned out to be the same, because it is adequate and corresponds to reality. But of course it's up to you to decide, dear minus.

I think Erdogan’s work will be limited to Idlib. To go on a full-scale occupation of Syria with the capture of the capital is not in his interests and not in his strength.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Leshy1975

PS How so? I am not familiar with Sivkov at all, and our thoughts came together almost a penny to a penny. Of course, I didn't have anything about the Kurds, I never said such a thing, but the rest is 100% coincidence. Now I am sitting in a riddle. Either Sivkov is also "all-consuming", or maybe just our analytics turned out to be the same, because it is adequate and corresponds to reality. But of course it's up to you to decide, dear minus.

I think Erdogan’s work will be limited to Idlib. To go on a full-scale occupation of Syria with the capture of the capital is not in his interests and not in his strength.

It may well happen, I do not yet have a clear understanding of how the situation will develop further. What Erdogan has already taken, he certainly will not give up, and the further will depend, among other things, on the Putin-Erdogan negotiations. Here you need to wait a bit for the receipt of information and the development of events in order to predict the future. In the meantime, there are too many uncertainties, and I don’t feel like a finger in the sky.

[Krasnodar]

Sivkov, in my opinion, is exaggerating. Putin just needs to continue to help the Syrians, turning Idlib into a territory that is eating Turkish soldiers and money. Then Erdogan himself will come running to him, begging for an end to the conflict with saving face.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Krasnodar

Sivkov, in my opinion, is exaggerating. Putin just needs to continue to help the Syrians, turning Idlib into a territory that is eating Turkish soldiers and money. Then Erdogan himself will come running to him, begging for an end to the conflict with saving face.

Time will only show whether we are exaggerating with Sivkov (I did say the same thing even before Sivkov) or not. The only thing I do not quite agree about the Kurds. My opinion is that they will sit in strontium. The USA promised them something there, they don’t go anywhere. So it is unlikely that the Kurds will go to an alliance with Assad and us and will fight against Turkey. The fact that the Turks are now striking at individual Kurds does not count. The Kurds do not have unity and the rest is shown in FIG.

PS Wait and see

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Time will only show whether we are exaggerating with Sivkov (I did say the same thing even before Sivkov) or not. The only thing I do not quite agree about the Kurds. My opinion is that they will sit in strontium. The USA promised them something there, they don’t go anywhere. So it is unlikely that the Kurds will go to an alliance with Assad and us and will fight against Turkey. The fact that the Turks are now striking at individual Kurds does not count. The Kurds do not have unity and the rest is shown in FIG.

The United States specifically tightened the Kurds for this, and now I think it’s impossible to pull them to its side, it’s not enough, as they say ... ataman’s gold reserve ...

[Krasnodar]

According to the Kurds, I agree.

[gost2012]

Time will only show whether we are exaggerating with Sivkov (I did say the same thing even before Sivkov) or not ...

Leshy and Sivkov ... we are brushing with Sivkov)
This, of course, is a serious analytical group, it is worth listening, especially when the position of a certain Sivsky was supported by Leshy.
I wanted to write that I and Putin and Shoigu think differently, and we just bred, especially me, but something stopped me ... I probably just don’t like it when some little-known names stick to me.

[the most important]

Quote: Gost2012

Leshy and Sivkov ... we are brushing with Sivkov)
This, of course, is a serious analytical group, it is worth listening, especially when the position of a certain Sivsky was supported by Leshy.
I wanted to write that I and Putin and Shoigu think differently,

But I support Sivkov (not in everything, of course). But your group did not take into account the likely scenarios for the development of the situation. How many times I was thrown with minuses by the close-minded marshals of the sofa troops when I said that we need to keep 2 tank brigades in Syria (near Damascus and Aleppo), which would not take part in hostilities, but only were there just in case, like now. This would cool the heads of the "partners" during their exacerbations in the spring. Yes, the stock at the bases should be at least three months. And the base itself is poorly located. It had to be located in the middle of Syria so that no one would emerge "from behind the forest, because of the mountains." For five years, one could guess ... but some decided that it was necessary to appease the Turks, air defense on credit, a gas pipeline at our expense, a nuclear power plant for $ 23 billion at our expense! But the NPP alone costs 1500 (one and a half trillion !!!) rubles at the exchange rate! Or 000 (000 billion) rubles for each region of Russia! The situation is the worst and the way out of it is also no better. Your group made an ingenious decision !! BRILLIANT !!!

[gost2012]

Quote: the most important

Quote: Gost2012

Leshy and Sivkov ... we are brushing with Sivkov)
This, of course, is a serious analytical group, it is worth listening, especially when the position of a certain Sivsky was supported by Leshy.
I wanted to write that I and Putin and Shoigu think differently,

But I support Sivkov (not in everything of course). But your group did not take into account ... ... Your group took ingenious decision !! BRILLIANT !!!

Forgive me, colleague, but my sarcasm was not at all about what Sivkov said, just the previous posts of Leshy's colleague reminded the immortal "Haberdasher and Cardinal", which amused and served to write my, not entirely appropriate, post.
Frankly, I didn’t even listen to Sivkov.
Regarding "my group" - I trust them completely in this situation and not only, I believe they will do everything right, and they are already doing what we see from the general results of Idlib, one thing only strains - they do not unsubscribe to VO, do not put us in being aware of their plans and actions, and do not discuss with us, but in vain, we would advise them ..

[alexmach]

The only thing I do not quite agree about the Kurds. My opinion is that they will sit in strontium. The USA promised them something there, they don’t go anywhere. So it’s unlikely that the Kurds will enter into an alliance with Assad and us and will fight against Turkey

Here I subscribe to every word. Kurds are not fools for someone to "drag chestnuts out of the fire"

[tatarin_ru]

Time will only show, we are exaggerating with Sivkov

Yes, I wanted to add, you do not mention the economy and mood in Turkey at all
1. A major war (and not even a major one) - if not quick and victorious - it is very expensive, and Turkey is in an economic crisis.
2. If the Turks don’t win quickly, the victorious broadcasts leave, and when the soldiers begin to come in boxes without stopping, but let local defeats happen, the power under the Sultan can quickly stagger, the Turks (population) can change their mood five times a week five times. )))))
So the assault on Assad’s regime is a bluff and bluff (outside Idlib)

[Leshy1975]

Quote: tatarin_ru

Time will only show, we are exaggerating with Sivkov

Yes, I wanted to add, you do not mention the economy and mood in Turkey at all
1. A major war (and not even a major one) - if not quick and victorious - it is very expensive, and Turkey is in an economic crisis.
2. If the Turks don’t win quickly, the victorious broadcasts leave, and when the soldiers begin to come in boxes without stopping, but let local defeats happen, the power under the Sultan can quickly stagger, the Turks (population) can change their mood five times a week five times. )))))
So the assault on Assad’s regime is a bluff and bluff (outside Idlib)

You are absolutely right, the economic component is very important. And again they are right, especially if the operation is delayed. But while it’s completely incomprehensible (at least to me) to which part of Syria Erdogan’s appetites are spreading and what negotiations between Putin and Erdogan will give. Already after the new information, it will be possible to make some corrections in analytics.

PS I agree with your comments.

[tatarin_ru]

I agree with your comments

Already after the new information, it will be possible to make some corrections in analytics.

This process will be endless until it is all over.

[Salty]

Quote: Leshy1975

it’s completely not clear yet (at least to me)

And just a day passed. And how beautifully they started -

Quote: Leshy1975

About Putin leaked, I personally never wrote that. But what a strategic miscalculation, and today I will say. What does the tear have to do with it? There is an assessment of the situation and logic

You are our analyst, grove at home.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: SaltY

Quote: Leshy1975

it’s completely not clear yet (at least to me)

And just a day passed. And how beautifully they started -

Quote: Leshy1975

About Putin leaked, I personally never wrote that. But what a strategic miscalculation, and today I will say. What does the tear have to do with it? There is an assessment of the situation and logic

You are our analyst, grove at home.

Everything is completely wrong with your understanding of the general and particulars, as I take a look. It is a question of which part of Syria Erdogan is looking at. And it is quite natural that he does not consult with me, and therefore it is not clear.
And you turned out to be an ordinary troll. For some reason, the style is very similar to Golovan. Maybe of course he wasn’t, probably the same manuals are the same, that’s similar. And if you want to curry favor at work, there’s an analyst K. Sivkov above. Check out and start trolling him too. And they write that Komoyedov also gave a similar analytics, also take care of him. You have a lot of work to do. I will continue to ignore you, because communication with you is completely useless. And I have no task to feed the troll. Good luck to you.

[Salty]

Quote: Leshy1975

And you turned out to be an ordinary troll

And you are a grove analyst at home. I have already noted this above. By the way, for some reason I dreamed of this from the very beginning, and now - a dream in my hand, as they say.

Quote: Leshy1975

For some reason, the style is very similar to Golovan. Maybe of course he wasn’t, probably the same manuals are the same, that’s similar. And if you want to curry favor at work

Listen, this is already getting boring. This is a classic of the genre - if someone from your fraternity is a little screwed up - immediately accused of trolling, kinship with animals and other indecency. For the last XNUMX hours you are already the third one.

You recently presented yourself as a tough analyst - "this is analysis, but this is logic. And I am all so analytical and logical", while carrying the deliberate game. You were caught on this game, and now you are trying to wriggle out. All these are understandable, natural body movements, which for some reason are uncomfortable. That's the whole point to the penny.

Quote: Leshy1975

Good luck to you

Thank. I will manage.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Krasnodar

I think Erdogan’s work will be limited to Idlib. To go on a full-scale occupation of Syria with the capture of the capital is not in his interests and not in his strength

most likely yes. The Turkish sultan needs only Idlib - as a buffer zone, which should cover Turkey from the Kurds, and also, there it will be possible to establish its own rigs and pump oil. Erdogan is already accustomed to free Syrian oil

[Oleg Zorin_2]

The retired admiral Komoyedov told the same thing the other day. True, the part miraculously disappeared from the interview where Komoedov analyzed the consequences of delivering attacks on the territory of Turkey ... The admiral did not say anything about the Kurds. This is not surprising; he is not a politician. The only thing that seems unrealizable is Sivkov’s plan for an intra-Syrian settlement. It is impossible to imagine that Assad went to embed the opposition in the real political field. The Middle Eastern dictatorships are not so arranged.

[A.TOR]

I don’t know who Sivkov is, but what he, forgive me, “bears” is difficult to call even nonsense. "A revolutionary situation following the example of 1905" and so on. - prohibitive! In his opinion, Putin should slam his fist on the table and get involved in a war - an actual, not a masquerade and not a "proxy" with the NATO state. Well, just ... Take it - and get involved.
Putin, who knows the true picture of the Russian economy, millions of ties that will break overnight, is responsible for people, for their, frankly, not very well arranged to be, it turns out, does not know what to do, but a certain "Sivkov" knows! Smash Turkey! Kill the Turks! Hooray!
Will this "thinker" go to the mothers of the dead soldiers himself with funerals?
And if ... what if ... let's imagine that the United States "harnessed" for the Turks - not in words, but in clothing?

[tatarin_ru]

Smash Turkey! Kill the Turks! Hooray!

Respectfully for the military (sincerely), but some have an "army of the brain". We didn’t have enough of war in childhood. War, in my view, is all the same an extreme measure, when everything has been tried and it is impossible to do otherwise.

According to the Kurds, I also disagree, they will start resistance only if they are sure of long-term support, and given the weak hook on them from the United States, and what kind of hook they have there is not clear.

As for the DPR and LPR, I only partially agree, Sivkov is clearly not a politician or a builder, not all issues can be resolved by the army, so the Ukrainians could not solve, and so we should step on the same rake, western Ukraine 3-4 areas (Lviv, Ternopol , Chernihiv, etc.) would create exactly the same DNI and LC with the support of the West only on the other side, defaulted and we would have to pay all our debts and set up our lives. For me, the way out in Ukraine is western and eastern Ukraine (as Germany used to be), since the east and west have not found a common language for 30 years.

Erdogan Damascus will not take, Idlib is one thing, Syria is another, no one will allow him such mercy. He forgot about Iran in general, and in Syria he has a lot of his interests and equipment and troops already more than Russia has concentrated in Syria (except aviation). Yes, the United States and Europe will not allow Turkey to increase power, it’s one thing to harness the conflict with Russia, it’s one thing to let Turkey strengthen in territory and influence, Erdogan is an ally for the United States as well, they know and remember this.
In a word, the analyst Sivkov is very doubtful for me. Let's wait, we'll see

[SovAr238A]

Quote: fruit_cake

bots came running to defend the Turks, in the chat roulette Bandera’s clowns crawled out with Turkish flags in the background, in psychiatry it’s already possible to introduce new types of insanity looking at these mental disorders

No one protects the Turks.
Turks also need to land from the sky.

You just have to lie less on official news ...
and stop singing praises there and those who do not deserve and are not worthy ...

And if the Turks there are real and only power - then this must be recognized ...
A legitimate government has called us not to appeal to us ... Yes, they are not considered legitimate throughout the world ...

And this, too, must be understood and recognized - a different point of view on the situation.

Any situation should be aware of the views from all sides.
Not a fit to your vision.
And to understand how and why others dkmayut.

and based on all these points of view, make decisions.
Which also need to be evaluated from all sides.

Here is what you need.
You need to be smarter.

[Kelwin]

Quote: SovAr238A

called the legitimate government ... Yes, all over the world they do not consider it legitimate ...

The notorious UN does not agree with you, because there is a permanent representative of the SAR, Husam al-Din Alaa.

[serzh.kost]

It’s ridiculous to watch the breaking of non-Ottoman patterns on Twitter. The descendants of the Janissaries, from whom the grandfathers fought, having seen enough of the zombies, were convinced that the Turkish army, supposedly the second strongest in NATO, was only slightly inferior to the American, and the Turkish defense was rapidly gaining height and now it would catch up and overtake the Chinese.

The self-conscious undersultan even promised to cleanse Jerusalem from the Jews. And then it turns out that the descendants of the Janissaries are not able to clean Sarakib from slippers. This is some kind of shame. Turks on Twitter expire impotent rage and thirst for blood. If the demonstration of impotence in Syria continues, the descendants of the Janissaries may break the undersultan like a Tuzik rag.

[Donkey driver]

Ah, what a shame, the Turks are rolling out the Syrians for a week in a row, oh this is a shame, Erdogan is in a panic, he now has not 500000 bayonets, but only 499800) The main thing is to scream about it and often repeat how Erdogan only lost)

[serzh.kost]

change the training manual, don’t. already your drones were blown away))

[Donkey driver]

Erdogan is already in a panic. Lost the drone) As now the Turks will be without a drone) It's not just a piece of metal, a consumable, but a doomsday weapon) All the power of the Turks was based on this prodigy, and now that's it, defeat and defeat)

[divanka2021]

penny drones are, here brain technology for them is another question, why they couldn’t do them for us, for example

[Donkey driver]

So what am I talking about. These sadists rejoice that hundreds of living people have been exchanged for a piece of metal, a penny in value at the state level, and present this as a victory. Only in order to build a drone you need a couple of months, and in order to make a soldier you need at least 20 years.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Donkey driver

So what am I talking about. These sadists rejoice that hundreds of living people have been exchanged for a piece of metal, a penny in value at the state level, and present this as a victory. Only in order to build a drone you need a couple of months, and in order to make a soldier you need at least 20 years.

But the process itself ...

[Evil Booth]

hahahaahha penny .. there the Iranians shot down a drron 300 lyamov is simple and that sea like a be not a yard ... penny)))))))))))) Anke 2 officially knocked down 30 lyam.

[fk7777777]

And you ask the teddy bear how he, with a humpback, with his cap, sold computer developments, from whose submission the humpback ruined our computer industry, and why we have Windows and Apple, but there is absolutely no OS of our own. Then, jokingly, the bear was enrolled in the personnel reserve, a "valuable" employee (billionaire) in combination, and now who? ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Donkey driver

Erdogan is already in a panic. Lost drone

Well, for the sake of truth, not one and it costs money

[Donkey driver]

So Turkey is not Swaziland and not Kiribati.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Donkey driver

as Turkey is not Swaziland and not Kiribati.

who?!
Turks are good traders, but how they feel the power immediately include the back

[Donkey driver]

Well, at least these are those who are now piling on Syria no matter what.

[Barmaleyka]

Where?!
I understand that the Turks rake or not ?!
shot down moment 21 or training L 39 is cool, but a downed modern drone does not count? !!!!

[Donkey driver]

Of course. In war they always die on both sides. Only ratios are always different. And someone can afford to lose equipment, and someone eats the last horseradish without salt, releasing the remains of rusty equipment, pushing it almost by hand.

[Barmaleyka]

name the ratio

[Donkey driver]

Yeah, darted already.

[Barmaleyka]

boy, do not jump off the topic
loss ratio will be?

[Donkey driver]

Of course not, why on earth will I satisfy the whims of the noname?)

[Barmaleyka]

then it’s not an expert to pose as a fig, knowledge of a topic is zero, but a show off like ...
... donkey driver
just expensive expert sofa

[Donkey driver]

The deafening victory of the couch lieutenant. Or anyone there, slurredly drawn. Draw a star on the couch)

[kit88]

Barmaleyka, leave behind the wretched. You see, the sick man got lost, lost his donkeys. He obviously wants to ask the road, but hesitates - suddenly they will send him to the wrong place.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: kit88

shy - suddenly send him the wrong way.

why not there?

[Thompson]

Following your logic, is this your name?

Quote: Donkey driver

Donkey driver

[gohomeyanki]

so ... these are people, of these 500, part in Libya, part in Greece, part on the border with Iran (in which the coronovirus, and of which Turkey beats in Syria), part on the border with Russia, part of the Kurds to beat on its territory , part for SELF beloved Erdogan to restrain discontent.

And besides, these are unreal bayonets, part staff, part just non-combat.
Total, if you exert yourself a lot, you can lose Turkey, and WE can still see the partition of Turkey.
After n-losses, the population may not understand what it is doing there. The USA, Vietnam, was crushed, but due to a rise in civil discontent, it was forced to retreat, signing a surrender.

as for the Economics of War, 1 drone, Anka-s, about 30 million, 2 of them shot down.
Su24 costs 2 million, taking into account the fact that it is being removed from service, it costs a total less. In general, Turkey is still to be knocked down and knocked down to even out the economic score.

[protoss]

anka costs 30 million if sold abroad. This amount includes the entire previous research and development, the operation of the production plant during the year with an annual production of 30 pieces, etc. etc. and rate of return.
If the Turkish Ministry of Defense says, I want 100 pieces this year, then maybe the price of lyamov will drop to 5. and if Reg takes the money from Qatar, they work in one bundle, then maybe they can finally get out for the budget for free.
there’s nothing much worth millions of tanks inside. the main costs are development, testing, etc., and they are already done.

[gohomeyanki]

so 2mln is the price of a new one, while the Su24 B / Ear (and 50 years ago which is being removed from service), It’s not worth 2mln already.

You are a real storyteller, from 30 million to 5 million ... 6 times, and when ordering ..... hmm 100pcs. UNREAL.
more details like this:
* 1. They are being built for several years.
* 2. They are the size of an airplane, and the last modification, respectively, cannot SO fall in price.
* 3. In order to increase production, it is necessary to invest in the same machines and make automation / optimization of processes.
*4. build extra. workshops, purchase equipment, train personnel (qualified personnel).
*5. the expediency of their construction, in question, since they were shot down by ancient air defense.

Nuuu, suppose fools are in Qatar, and they will bet on the losing Turks, you tell the Syrians, Assad wait about 2-3 years, we are riveting unmanned vehicles against you .....

[protoss]

I'm exaggerating at prices. without a clue whether it is now worth 30 million or 10 million, I don’t have a price list at hand.
the fact is that when unit production becomes serial, the unit cost drops very much.
and Qatar is Erdogan’s wallet for several years. rumor has it that money is taken from many large infrastructure projects.

[gohomeyanki]

Qatar will come and just merge 10-20 lards into the pipe.
Piece and serial Yes, and this is understandable. But 10 is no longer a piece, already a series.
As for the fact, you need to increase the capacity by 10 times, and this is not attributed to the number, but denyuzhka, time and resources.

In Qatar "there are no fools", if they do, they will quickly run out of money. They even take citizenship away from their residents ... if they marry a foreigner. Do you think the Turks are Qataris?

Yes, Qatar had selfish interest, a gas pipeline through Syria, now this is an unrealistic scenario when Russia is there.

so .... Turkey, of course, can only throw good ideas, and armaments for a denyuzhku, and then it is she herself.

[protoss]

I’ll quote myself from another branch through a gas pipeline:

what prevents it from being built through Syria is the presence of a head and a calculator in the Qatari leadership. 
4 thousand km just to the borders of the EU it is already 120 bucks per thousand cubic meters only for transit, and even halfway the Qatari pipe goes through the sworn friends of the Saudis.

in the relationship between Qatar and Turkey, only the tip of the iceberg is visible to us. Now this is not just a union, it is a kind of symbiosis in which Qatar takes advantage of the military-political capabilities of Turkey, and Turkey - financial and informational (al-jazeera) Qatar. it’s hard to say how deep Erdogan can put his hand in the Qatari pocket, I think that it’s several tens of billions, if it’s really worth it. at the height of the currency crisis, it was $ 15 billion.
by capacity, we don’t know what they are like for tai and baykar, whether they can delegate any elements to third-party enterprises. far from always, for an n-fold increase in production, it is necessary to n-fold increase production capacities.

[gohomeyanki]

Yes, no one gives money just like that, without interests and profitable, the maximum loan, your naive / fabulous consciousness, the world is chewing gum friendship, and money is free .... Are you from Ukraine or what?)
Belief in fairy tales is certainly good, but the reality is different.

Well, both the EU and the USA, support informationally, but something tells me.

Suppose figuratively, an association.
A fight starts, and next to you, your friends itch in your ear, well, or they tell everyone how cool you are (informationally support),

this does not mean that they will go into a fight with you and will carry chestnuts for you, you will get ear, and they will say ..... well, that you are well done anyway, and they still support you.

FOR YOU such support is not cold / not hot ..

[gohomeyanki]

there are too many risks to circumvent, and Russia will compete there, it is not known to pay off, it will not pay off.

will go to LNG to sell more expensive, and receive loot.

[protoss]

the pipeline is purely economically unprofitable, I described why. therefore, such a project never existed, it is a myth of our propaganda, which is trying to explain our irrevocable investments in Assad.

[gohomeyanki]

Well, the propaganda of the official Russian authorities is more believable than yours, and this is obvious to all thinking people.

You are increasing production at your place, and you don’t have to pay for it, and train the staff too and pay them, you just need to think and they will appear, construction in seconds, you just need to think about it ....

Qatar makes money just like lards, because they have a lot of them ......

ps
I think you either don’t know how to manage money, or you don’t have it yet, the rich do not give out just the money from left to right, they like the account and the prospects of investments.)

[protoss]

and our propaganda (or maybe you?) cheated on the Qatari gas pipeline through Syria? If yes, what is the price of gas at the outlet in the EU and the payback period of this enterprise.
and also please draw a route bypassing Saudi Arabia - the sworn enemy of Qatar. I'm just very curious.
don’t worry about my money, it’s finally not your business.
and in Turkish-Qatari monetary affairs, I see what I see, not your guesses.
the Turkish military base in Qatar at the expense of Qatar is open and operates, direct investments of 15 yards in 18 at the time of the currency crisis, investments in the Turkish military-industrial complex - purchase of a stake in BMC for 300 LYAMs with the subsequent ordering there of a large batch of equipment for 900 LYAM for example, you can also UAV together). from the unsuccessful - the transfer of the port of Suvakin to Turkey and its restoration at the Qatari expense (4 yards) - did not grow together, al Bashir was "fired".
total investment (up to the above 15 yards) was already 18 billion.

[gohomeyanki]

Yeah, I open Photoshop, you’re a storyteller, but first I’ll wait for 100% payment to my account.

total, from your own words, I won’t even verify, I will answer only according to the data that you wrote:
* 15 billion in debt .. (when you borrow money in the midst of the crisis, and that you don’t have any money left, consider the BANK to be your friend and other friend .... and believe that he will give you more and will not want to later YOU knock them out, and cash in on YOU)
* buying a company, and only then ordering products there (this is wah wah, what friendship, and directly without interests and benefits for Qatar),
* cool 4 = it didn’t work out, but you have already added them, funny math ... Well, let 18, but 4 flew into the pipe, do you think they are still ready to invest?

After all, the Turks promise that wah wah, 4bn, has flown out, but this is all Evil Russia, give it more, and we will give it uhhh and ahhh, and why should Qatar do this?)). BECAUSE FROM YOUR SAME DATA, they invest only in what they are economically interested in.

[protoss]

You wrote:
* 15 billion in debt ..

Stop. you wrote it, I did not write that in debt.

buying a company, and only then ordering products there (this is wah wah, what friendship, and directly without interests and benefits for Qatar)

but without interests, here it is mutual. the Qatari people invested in a half-company for 300 lyam, and they placed an order for 900. Let’s say frankly the office rose on such an order and with such a co-founder.

because 4 flew into the pipe

4 yards didn’t fly out, it didn’t get there, Erdogan and the Bashir were hit in the hands, but the Bashir was overthrown a bit, so that the expenses included only the hospitality expenses of the Reg and his retinues on a trip to Khartum.
the Qatari side announced the amount of 18 yards in 2017, and 15 yards later. a total of 33 except that in addition to this was in 18-19 years.

PS: and with the gas pipeline, as I understand it, a problem - you can’t draw a route past the station, or make options like transit for 4000 km cheap. so close your photoshop.

[gohomeyanki]

Yes, you wrote that it was not a bank, but direct investments, but it is written below 15:06 that buying up cheap assets is ANOTHER WORSE.

I won’t write the rest, because you write nonsense, turn on the brain
I do not recommend you to have friends who will buy your assets cheaply from you, instead of just helping out with money. )

I will not comment on the rest, I understood your level of knowledge and education.

[gohomeyanki]

And direct investment in the crisis, it’s actually buying up cheap assets that will grow after the crisis when the crisis passes ..))

[tatarin_ru]

it concerns the economics of war

I absolutely support, even if you do not take your example into account - war is an expensive thing (in terms of money), and Turkey is not the richest country.
500 thousand is all everything, but 40-50 thousand are battle-worthy, but that’s not the point, the Turks are like that - if a quick victorious war does not work, even with small forces, the Sultan is off. If you read the story, the janissaries went out against the Sultan so many times, fingers would not be enough.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Donkey driver

Ah, what a shame, the Turks are rolling out the Syrians for a week in a row, oh this is a shame, Erdogan is in a panic, he now has not 500000 bayonets, but only 499800) The main thing is to scream about it and often repeat how Erdogan only lost)

Quote: Donkey driver

Erdogan is already in a panic. Lost the drone) As now the Turks will be without a drone) It's not just a piece of metal, a consumable, but a doomsday weapon) All the power of the Turks was based on this prodigy, and now that's it, defeat and defeat)

Get shot. Do not bother people.

[Donkey driver]

Do not bother what? Tell how Erdogan lost? Or in Istanbul to shoot gas rockets from the couch? Okay, don’t think that I’m all a prowler. I, too, are like you — and let’s wail the Poseidon, and from above the point, and then the Iskander from the Pacific Ocean. Willpower, the will of the spirit, courage, patience, you need to wait, they know at the General Staff. I'll go look for a drum.

[serzh.kost]

call the loss ratio. and how many territories the sultan has conquered. Whose Sarakib?
reviewed Turkish cartoons, half of which are untrue, and rode here with his vysers. expert level complete g *** but

[Grigory_45]

Quote: serzh.kost

call the loss ratio. and how many territories did the sultan conquer

the loss ratio (both in l / s and in technology) is far from in favor of the ATS. You can see it yourself if you don’t cowardly close your eyes to the truth.
As regards the fact that the Sultan fought - so he fights nothing at all, only a few days, and the Syrians have more losses than in the previous few months. By the way, how many years has Assad liberated its territories, and even with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces? So far, no one has provided military assistance to the Turks.

[serzh.kost]

the loss ratio is clearly not in favor of the ATS. well, OK. do you have any data how much?
as for manpower, a lot of Barmalei were killed, but who counts them? the question is, who has more resources, if we assume that Turkey and Russia will not be seriously drawn into the conflict?
The losses of ATS in Russia’s equipment can be partially replenished, it’s more difficult with manpower, but there are PMCs, Iran has new IRGC and Hezbollons, everything is solved.
Turkey has not yet seriously fought, and Russia has not yet sharpened sharply, does not put all its trump cards, hoping to come to an agreement. You can praise Turkey’s second-strongest army in the world as much as you like, count the number of f-16s, drones, but this can mean absolutely nothing, because besides the military there are many other factors.

[Horon]

Get shot. Don't bother people

Well, then "shoot yourself" right away? Maybe he wants to end his life by choking on the substance that he pours on others!

[tatarin_ru]

If the demonstration of impotence in Syria continues, the descendants of the Janissaries may tear the undersultan like a Tuzik rag.

I fully support it, the Turks don’t really succeed in Libya, but in Syria remember the Turks they wanted to take El Bab a couple of years ago, they burned all the Abrams and Patera (about 10 pieces, everything that was transferred to the zone) in two days, then negotiations, an agreement and they were let in. So as warriors there still need to look.

[Grits]

Quote: Donkey driver

What is the no-fly zone? How's it going?

During the operation of the no-fly zone, not a single Turkish plane was damaged. Fell three Syrian. The zone continues to operate.

[bayard]

The Turks must have beaten from their territory (there the size of the remaining Idlib for the puppet aviation), so they could be shot down only over the territory of Turkey. Such a decision should be made by politicians, not the military (to bring down the Turks over their own territory), and the fact of such a downfall could give the Turks an occasion to turn to NATO for the 5th amendment. In such a situation, fighter cover from the VKS is necessary for each aircraft working on Idlib - to drive off the F-16-e in the adjacent territory and shoot down if violated.
Only one person can make a decision to bring down the Turks over their own territory ... but on the 5th, he will meet with Erdogan.

[rosomaha]

Yes, your division .... will we fight for Syria or let it go on its own?

[NEOZ]

Quote: rosomaha

shall we fight for Syria or will we let things go by themselves?

the main thing is to keep your feet warm, and your head in the cold ...
set aside the panic!
war without loss does not happen.
specialists are looking for ways to solve these difficulties.

[Grits]

Quote: NEOZ

specialists are looking for ways to solve these difficulties.

But this is very bad, that only looking for.. And should have been a long time find and prepare operational plans for solving and stopping this problem.
As I understand it, these experts are called the General Staff of the Russian Federation. Looks like experts are not so hot, if they did not foresee.

[Teacher67]

So the experts did, closed the airspace, but there’s no sense.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Gritsa

this is very bad that they are only looking.

Well, not everything in this world happens as we want ... this is life ...

Quote: Gritsa

should have been found and prepared for a long time

nobody owes anything to anyone ... they work as the opponent allows us ...

Quote: Gritsa

Looks like experts are not so hot, if they did not foresee.

which are ...

[Grits]

Quote: NEOZ

which are ...

This is alarming.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEOZ

specialists are looking for ways to solve these difficulties.

what are you talking about! Erdogan did not even hide his military preparations - and in light of this, the "specialists" had a lot of time to calculate possible options. Judging by how the situation is developing, either they did not calculate anything at all and hoped at random, or the price for those "specialists"

[NEOZ]

Quote: Gregory_45

there was a lot of time to calculate possible options.

it's easy to be smart in hindsight ...
Gregory, how old are you?
How many children?
how many times are married?
how many cars (brand)?
how many m2 of living space per family member?
is there a summer house / what?
Are you on the Forbes list?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEOZ

easy to be smart in hindsight

And now we are looking at how much volume and quality information those have. who plans and makes decisions, and which we ordinary people. Even if we saw that Erdogan was preparing for war, could it be that intelligence didn’t inform us, did not the analysts draw conclusions? I’m sure that the intelligence worked perfectly. Analysts - most likely too. But the decisions are made such that we are now in the place where we are sitting
And no smart thoughts about "hindsight" are needed.

[Siberian 66]

F-16 worked from the space of Turkey. We will definitely not work on goals for Turkey. Otherwise, the straits will be closed in one fell swoop. The only thing that can be done - but it’s difficult - is to cover Syrian aviation with EW. Work both against the carriers and against the missiles themselves.

[figwam]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

cover EW Syrian aircraft.

The Turks use thermal missiles, they do not care about electronic interference.

[Stalllker]

They should somehow fly to the zone where the "heat head" will work)))

[figwam]

Quote: Stalllker

They should somehow reach the zone where it will work)))

And what are these zones where the "heat head" works or does not work?

[Stalllker]

At a thermal rocket, at what distance does the target capture?

[figwam]

Quote: Stalllker

At a thermal rocket, at what distance does the target capture?

About 20 km.

[Stalllker]

And the launch from what distance?

[figwam]

Quote: Stalllker

And the launch from what distance?

I immediately wrote to you the launch range of the Sidewinder rocket.

[Stalllker]

I tell you that from the moment you launch and capture the target, time passes and the rocket flies a certain distance. A missile that leads to the sector with the intended purpose

[figwam]

Quote: Stalllker

I tell you that from the moment you launch and capture the target, time passes and the rocket flies a certain distance. A missile that leads to the sector with the intended purpose

Yes, even Avax, even reports from the ground that aviation works for them, it’s enough for the Turkish F-16 to turn in the right direction, switch to the operation of the heat rocket, the infrared sensor of the rocket itself will find the target, and then start and go to the duty zone.

[Stalllker]

Cons speak for themselves, topic closed

[figwam]

Quote: Stalllker

Cons speak for themselves, topic closed

))) Cons put me for any text that I write, there are those offended that they behave this way, these minuses have nothing to do with reality.

[Stalllker]

Just like you, with your comments, you have nothing to do with reality.

[Vitaly161]

in the air of AWACS, he leads f16e, so that everything is on the side

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Turks use thermal rockets

AMRAAM never had an IRGS - all missiles are equipped with ARGS

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

AMRAAM never had an IRGS - all missiles are equipped with ARGS

And the T-34 was never equipped with a jet engine.
Is that what you wrote to?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Is that what you wrote to?

to the fact that Sidewinders cannot shoot further than 10 km. At what distance did the L-39 fail?

[figwam]

Sidewinder has a range of 20 km, from what distance they launched and in which hemisphere only the F-16 pilot knows. Write him.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

Sidewinder range 20 km

don’t take a break, the most modern version - AIM-9X - in ideal conditions in faculty - capture no more than 18 km, in case of interference or against the background of the earth - no more than 7 km.
Erdogan does not have AIM-9X, Turkey most likely has older AIM-9L / P. In addition, the pilot must identify the goal - how to do this without seeing the enemy aircraft? Do you naively think the Turkish flyers are so sharp-sighted that they will see a flag for 20 km on the keel of the plane?

So from what distance did the Albatross shoot down? This will be the answer, which missile. Your claim that Sidewinder, so far, apart from "I think so" has no basis.

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

don’t take a break, the most modern version - AIM-9X - under ideal conditions in faculty - capture no more than 18 km

You only wrote that 10 km! AIM-9X has the same range as the previous ones, it has better maneuverability and noise immunity.

Quote: Gregory_45

In addition, the pilot must identify the goal - how to do this without seeing the enemy aircraft? Do you naively think the Turkish flyers are so sharp-sighted that they will see a flag for 20 km on the keel of the plane?

What is the flag, I can’t laugh)))))))
Aircraft have a so-called friend or foe system, this is a signal that constantly emits any combat aircraft, pilots determine it by an ally or an enemy)))
Do not go where you do not understand anything.

Quote: Gregory_45

So at what distance did Albatross get knocked down? This will be the answer, which rocket.

Yes, you are just a genius of logic)))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

You only wrote that 10 km!

it was about the missiles that Turkey has. And about the real distances of their application. Learn to read carefully.

Quote: figvam

AIM-9X same range as previous

AIM-9X has a new head with a new cooled matrix of increased sensitivity. Which determines the large distance of potential target capture. And then it is up to 18,5 in free space and up to 7 km on the background of the earth

Quote: figvam

Aircraft have a so-called friend or foe system, it is a signal that constantly emits any combat aircraft, pilots determine it as an ally or an enemy.

firstly, the plane does not constantly emit anything.
secondly, the Russian board would not respond to a request from the system. But - it was decided to shoot down. Continue further, or guess yourself?

Quote: figvam

Do not go where you do not understand anything

he who gives advice must adhere to them himself)

What did not answer, at what distance was the Albatross shot down? The logic here is the most direct and logical: if shot down by Sidewinder, the L-39 had to hang around the very border. If they beat AMRAAM, then, as I wrote above, that these missiles are equipped only with the ARGSN, and your statements are based only on ... but they are not based on anything.

And finally, the Turks stated that:

F-16 had shot down f regime L-39 45 km distance
from the Turkish borderin northwest Maaret al Numan

for those who do not speak English: "An F-16 shot down an L-39 at a distance of 45 km from the Turkish border northwest of Maaret al-Numan
If Falcon was equipped only with Sidewinders, he would have to get into the airspace of the SAR for 20-30 km, and then stomp home the same amount. At risk of being shot down. I don’t think the Turks are so crazy.

PS Rudeness does not paint, pay attention to it. Or were brought up in a pigsty?

[figwam]

Quote: Gregory_45

it was about the missiles that Turkey has. And about the real distances of their application. Learn to read carefully.

I already answered you, they have the same range.

Quote: Gregory_45

firstly, the plane does not constantly emit anything.

There are many interrogators working on the front line, so the aircraft responder responds to each request.

Quote: Gregory_45

What did not answer, at what distance was the Albatross shot down?

I answered you, the Turkish pilot knows this.

Quote: Gregory_45

The logic here is the most direct and logical: if shot down by Sidewinder, the L-39 had to hang around the very border. If they beat AMRAAM, then, as I wrote above, that these missiles are equipped only with the ARGSN, and your statements are based only on ... but they are not based on anything.

The allegations were based on the fact that today, near Idlib, the sky is closed, including with the help of our electronic warfare, which complicates the use of radar, so missiles with IHS are preferable.

Quote: Gregory_45

for those who do not speak English: "An F-16 shot down an L-39 at a distance of 45 km from the Turkish border northwest of Maaret al-Numan

Yes, but it is about 30 km from the border.

Quote: Gregory_45

If the Falcon was equipped only with Sidewinders, it would have to get into the airspace of the ATS

This was reported in the morning that Turkish F-16s entered Syria, just like drones do it every day.

Quote: Gregory_45

Or were brought up in a pigsty?

Don't you think you are asking too many questions?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: figvam

The allegations were based on the fact that today near Idlib the sky is closed, including with the help of our electronic warfare

Your statements are based on an erroneous assumption (the airspace is closed, all kinds of electronic warfare are working there and other byaki are in store), and therefore it is itself erroneous. To say that they will close the sky and actually close it are two huge differences. We have heard many times the bravado in the style of "no more aircraft ..." and so on. And every time - like a bunch into a puddle

In fact, it turned out just as he said yesterday. The Turks fired AMRAAM without entering the airspace of the ATS. It turned out that my conclusions are correct and more logical.

Quote: figvam

Yes, you are just a genius of logic)))

sarcasm did not pass))

The processed radar data was transmitted to the crews of the F-16. Aircraft of the Turkish Air Force as close to the air borders (Syria), focused on targets and struck with long-range air-to-air missiles.

- today at VO

[Oquzyurd]

Infa slipped that the Turks used their new Göktuğ missiles. Previously, they wrote that they completed testing of these missiles in 2019. They are 2 types, Göktuğ-Bozdogan and Goktu-Gokdogan. TTX is not disclosed, but they say that they will replace the AIM-120 AMRAAM

[tomket]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

F-16 worked from Turkey

The Turks write out above, went into the space of Syria.

Quote: Sibiryak 66

. Otherwise, the straits will be closed at a stroke.

They will not close it, otherwise it is a violation of international laws, and for this it can be hung on a rail.

Quote: Sibiryak 66

The only thing that can be done - but it’s difficult - is to cover Syrian aviation with EW. Work both against the carriers and against the missiles themselves.

The only thing that can be done to discourage the Turks and stop bearing reputational losses is to bring down the f-16s who have fallen into disrepair. But for this we must stop chewing political snot.

[Siberian 66]

The Turks write out above, went into the space of Syria.
Tukri can write anything. PR has not been canceled.
They will not close it, otherwise it is a violation of international laws, and for this it can be hung on a rail.
They should accuse someone of aggression and assault on their territory, at least formally to declare war, at least to whom even this is enough. And please tell me, who will hang them in the river? UN, NATO?

[tomket]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

PR has not been canceled.

Whose peer? Your? There is evidence that they did not enter? Can you give other than your words?

Quote: Sibiryak 66

They should accuse someone of aggression and assault on their territory, at least formally to declare war, at least to whom even this is enough.

If you formally declare war, then the war will very quickly become real, with all the consequences.

Quote: Sibiryak 66

. And please tell me, who will hang them in the river? UN, NATO?

Quote: Sibiryak 66

. And please tell me, who will hang them in the river? UN, NATO?

Who takes the capital and hangs. This usually happens like this.

[ABM]

Turkish AWACS aircraft will detect the take-off of any aircraft over the territory of Syria, for this and flies

[Stalllker]

Well, let them know that the planes of the Russian Air Force took off

[ABM]

they will take the F-16 when the Su-35 takes off into its territory, a matter of minutes. It remains to barrage, and this is a waste of time, fuel, nerves. And they can be seen while flying there - no one will climb

[Stalllker]

That's fine, let them see and sit exactly

[Grits]

Quote: ABM

they will take the F-16 when the Su-35 takes off into its territory, a matter of minutes. It remains to barrage, and this is a waste of time, fuel, nerves. And they can be seen while flying there - no one will climb

Something is some kind of strange game with one goal ...
That the Tureks, that the Jews, it turns out, can fly over their territory and strike at the territory of the neighboring state of Syria. And also shoot down planes flying over their own territory. But Syria, flying over its territory, according to the rules of this game, for some reason it is impossible to strike either neighbors or planes in their territory. Does it seem strange to you friends?
It is very interesting, who came up with such interesting rules of the game and should they be followed?

[Fishery]

just the rules for the strong ones, others for the weak)

[Grits]

Quote: Tonya

just the rules for the strong ones, others for the weak

Then it turns out that we deliberately put ourselves in a losing position. On the side of the weak. How did that happen?

[Fishery]

well, just look at which country what friends and allies are, you don’t have to explain a lot when in friends of a country with dictatorial regimes or presidents who are in power for 20-30 years, you can’t expect another

[Prometey]

Quote: tomket

The only thing that can be done to discourage the Turks and stop bearing reputational losses is to bring down the f-16s who have fallen into disrepair.

Well, if only a slipper.

[SSR]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

F-16 worked from the space of Turkey. We will definitely not work on goals for Turkey.

+ It’s even surprising that you didn’t stuff the minuses of the crackers for a logical comment.)))

[voyaka uh]

"F-16 worked from the space of Turkey" ///
----
I don’t think so. The AMRAAM-120 missile those F-16 modifications that Turkey has can not be launched further than 60 km.
Effectively start up from 30-40 km. (So ​​the Americans do).
And this is already over the territory of Idlib.

[ABM]

yes, most likely it is

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: voyaka uh

"F-16 worked from the space of Turkey" ///
----
I don’t think so. The AMRAAM-120 missile those F-16 modifications that Turkey has can not be launched further than 60 km.
Effectively start up from 30-40 km. (So ​​the Americans do).
And this is already over the territory of Idlib.

Such a missile to the landfill. Why aren’t they shooting down the F-16? Do you have any options? Are the Turks specially substituted to escalate the conflict, but they are not deliberately shot down?

[voyaka uh]

"Dump such a rocket." ///
---
Why?
"120-" The most proven and effective medium-range missile today.
Long-range explosives were never tested in combat.

[Evil Booth]

Well, in general you are in the subject of missiles and so .. there are many where 50 is enough

[Gado]

In which I read a comment about closing the straits, you forgot to mention tomatoes and tourists. Are you tired of it already? No straits are closed and no one will close - the gut is thin in Erdogan.
And change the training manual already.

[Grits]

Quote: Gado

No straits are closed and no one will close - the gut is thin in Erdogan.

But you need to be prepared for any development of events. Even in the worst case scenario.
But what if Erdogan’s intestines are of the right diameter? What preventive measures have already been taken? Are there any action plans for this?
Something I doubt it, based on their stupor, which our military found themselves in the last days of the Idlib massacre. And they came to their senses only - only when they began to act somehow. You do not need to rely only on the adequacy and cowardice of Erdogan.

[Gado]

Do you want to say that the Russian military has no plans for the closure of the Bosphorus? I do not believe in this, but for now Russian warships are passing normally. As far as I know, closure will not be a fact in the event of a war between Russia and Turkey, but this is already a world war and then the passage will be provided in other ways, there are enough options. Although I hope that I will not live to see the world war, like all normal people.

[Grits]

Quote: Gado

Do you want to say that the Russian military has no plans for the closure of the Bosphorus?

Well, judging by the fact that I’m sure there were no plans to counter Turkish drones, it’s hard to say something about the Bosphorus ...

[EDWARD]

immediately get off the couch .. and to the nearest military registration and enlistment office to you !! We are waiting for your posts from Idlib, so to speak, eyewitness accounts.

and if he seriously wins, he who has more composure and patience. you can break everything with a fool)

[Donkey driver]

The winner is the one with a stronger army, a stronger economy, cooler technologies and more mobresource. And there is a will to use all this. All the rest is patience and complacency.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Donkey driver

The winner is the one with a stronger army, a stronger economy, cooler technologies and more mobresource.

tell it to the french in 1940!

[Donkey driver]

And why not the Cimmerians in 800 BC?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Donkey driver

And why not the Cimmerians in 800 BC?

because the French in 1940 are more visible ...
the answer is obvious ....

[Donkey driver]

Well, they thought about the same thing when they tried to take Erdogan weakly. And it turned out like that. The great strategists also remembered the French.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: NEOZ

tell it to the french in 1940!

Hitler, too, probably counted on the fact that he had "a stronger army, a more powerful economy, cooler technology and more mobility resources." And he showed the will to use all this.
But the war ended in Berlin.

[ApJlekuHo]

Hitler did not count, he knew that he had a stronger army and a stronger economy, but the war ended in Berlin for no reason.

[Evil Booth]

IMHO they believed that they would take Berlin after Hitler took Moscow

[Grits]

Quote: NEOZ

tell it to the french in 1940!

Good example

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Donkey driver

The winner is the one with a stronger army, a stronger economy, cooler technologies and more mobresource.

and if the army is weaker and the resource is larger, and if the resource is less and the economy is cooler ?!

[Primrose]

You can recall Vietnam and Afghanistan last USSR and amers in the conflict

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Primrose

You can recall Vietnam and Afghanistan last USSR and amers in the conflict

these examples are just about nothing, much less it is not clear about Afghanistan and the USSR

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Donkey driver

The winner is the one with a stronger army, a stronger economy, cooler technologies and more mobresource. And there is a will to use all this. All the rest is patience and complacency.

China is beyond competition.

[Vitaly161]

Of course, the ability to manage all this is not a trebe)) let him fight himself))

[tomket]

Quote: EDWARD

and if he seriously wins, he who has more composure and patience. you can break everything with a fool)

Uffff .... Right now Tarquemade said .... In general, you can only laugh at the glorified composure)))))

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rosomaha

Yes, your division .... will we fight for Syria or let it go on its own?

Our fate, apparently, is this - then for Bulgaria, then for Serbia, then for Afghanistan, now, here for Syria ... If only there was any sense.

[3danimal]

Why fight for Syria? Remember the story of the beginning of relations with this (and a number of other) Arab newly formed countries (before that were the provinces of Turkey). Their leaders began to flirt in speeches on the topic of socialism, the Union immediately joyfully began to provide assistance free of charge (after all, their citizens bathed in abundance). And the cunning protégés all accepted, used, in particular, for attempts to destroy Israel, which they hated.
Modern Russia has nothing to do with the "work of the victory of world communism" and other nonsense.
Question: What is common with Syria?
And our fellow citizens: do they live "very richly"? What is the share of the poor? What is the percentage of people with an income of 100000 rubles or more (conditional "middle class")?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

Question: What is common with Syria?

If the question is for me, then from my couch you can’t see it clearly enough. A free base in the Mediterranean, and it’s fun to hang out there ... Ask this question to Yevgeny Yanovich Satanovsky, he will answer quite competently.

[3danimal]

To hang out - there is no money for medicines and repair of hospitals, there are losses of equipment and people there.
It recalls the actions of the irresponsible head of the family: not rich, but in an expensive car, and his wife and children chew pasta.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

no money for drugs and hospital repairs

Not true. Since January 19th I’ve been hustling around for hospitals. Everything is there, everything is repaired. I live in Ivanovo, not the richest region.

Quote: 3danimal

there are losses of equipment and people there.

There is no other way. At the household level - yes, not good. That is how the cook differs from the head of state. The levels are different. From the point of view of an ordinary soldier - you have to give up and go Bavarian beer to drink with Viennese sausages. It never happens in life.

[3danimal]

Travel to the regions
From Moscow it is easier to talk about geopolitics. But in fact, a small group of people seeks to enrich themselves by sacrificing many, simultaneously trying to satisfy their ambitions and complexes.
P.S. From time to time, news on medicines appears and “inspires”, as well as fees for treating children with SMSs (but what do they care about people of “second grade”) ..

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

But in fact, a small group of people seeks to enrich themselves by sacrificing many, simultaneously trying to satisfy their ambitions and complexes.

Populist bullshit. Where else happens? This is an objective reality. Our ones of theirs are not smelly.

Quote: 3danimal

Travel to the regions
From Moscow it is easier to talk about geopolitics.

Quote: Vasyan1971

I live in Ivanovo, not the richest region.

[3danimal]

. Where else happens? This is an objective reality.

In Switzerland, Belgium, Great Britain. Just don’t say “there is also there”. Pathogenic microbes are present in a person who is healthy and stubborn from pneumonia. In DIFFERENT quantities.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

In Switzerland, Belgium, Great Britain.

In these blessed lands, a small group of people does not seek to enrich themselves by sacrificing many, simultaneously trying to satisfy their ambitions and complexes? Horseradish with her, Switzerland! For exception, we take into account the statistical error. And about Belgium and England - nonsense! Insolent and shameless. By the way, it’s strange that you didn’t mention the earthly paradise - the USA.

[3danimal]

In these countries there is no kleptocracy and the level of corruption is much lower.
He brought European, they are closer.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

In these countries there is no kleptocracy and the level of corruption is much lower.

Nonsense!

From the summer:
http://doverie25.ru/statyi/47-korruptsiya-v-britanii-protsvetaet.html

http://www.vneshmarket.ru/content/document_r_6AE11FFC-5B27-41A1-A0E8-C95F989F6A3A.html
Our ones of theirs are not smelly.

[3danimal]

Our onuchi of theirs are not smelly ..

I want to believe in it. I think that the inhabitants of an African country reassure themselves with such thoughts ..
I repeat: there are microbes in both the healthy and the seriously ill. But you can focus on the first (look, there were the same!).
I don’t even open the resources above doverie25, the yellowness of the name repels. Will you bring RBC at least?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

. Will you bring RBC at least?

Meaning? You will not please you. If you print a multiplication table on doverie25, say the same

Quote: 3danimal

the yellowness of the name repels.

?
Yes, and I'm not going to prove anything, the more obvious. I support the conversation solely by virtue of innate politeness, and funny again ...
Please formulate clearly, the goal is the goal of your efforts in terms of communicating with me, sinful.

[3danimal]

This is not a multiplication table, and you understand that.
“Who without sin let him first throw a stone at me”

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

“Who without sin let him first throw a stone at me”

Exactly.

Quote: 3danimal

This is not a multiplication table, and you understand that.

Right It's about pure information, no matter where it is published. Too bad you do not understand this. When there is no possibility to object in essence, they begin to cling to the spelling and source. Classic. And forced to remind:

Quote: Vasyan1971

Please formulate clearly, the goal is the goal of your efforts in terms of communicating with me, sinful.

[3danimal]

"Clean information." Yellow publications are less legible to its sources.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

Yellow publications are less legible to its sources.

A worthless excuse. The multiplication table printed in the "yellow edition" is not trustworthy?

[3danimal]

Where is the multiplication table?
In addition, it may contain errors, defaits

[Vasyan1971]

What are the defects and errors in the link I submitted? What are we talking about? You want to say that

Quote: 3danimal

a small group of people seeks to enrich themselves by sacrificing many, simultaneously trying to satisfy their ambitions and complexes.

only and exclusively in Russia? So on this subject I have already exhaustively answered. What else do you want? It’s not difficult for me to repeat the question again:

Quote: Vasyan1971

Please formulate clearly, the goal of your efforts in terms of communication with me, sinful.

[3danimal]

only and exclusively in Russia?

No, but there are many countries where the level of corruption is much lower.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

No, but there are many countries where the level of corruption is much lower.

And there are many countries where it is significantly higher. So what? I'm starting to lose patience. Mumble ends, go to the specifics.

[3danimal]

How did the polemic begin: with corruption problems (serious, against the backdrop of developed countries), financial problems, giving weapons again, losing resources and people in a country with which there is nothing to do (support from the Union was motivated by “ideological naivety”) - pointless. There is a huge (own!) Territory, largely still undeveloped, its own people who need infrastructure and social services. IMHO, all this is more important than a "small victorious war" without end.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

How did the polemic begin?

Was there a controversy?
There was incoherent nagging about "kakuni is very bad" and "kakuni very good" cooks trying to run the state. I got tired, in short, pouring from empty into creation ...

[3danimal]

Similarly.
I can also say about your record "our onuchs ..", "everywhere is bad" and "the party line (about Syria) is correct"

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: 3danimal

I can also say about your record "our onuchs ..", "everywhere is bad" and "the party line (about Syria) is correct"

I have already said to your groans like "for the state," I have already said:

Quote: Vasyan1971

Yes, and I'm not going to prove anything, the more obvious.

And I’m not interested in the cooks. I'm sorry.
My grandmother taught me that the smart one stops first. By virtue of my innate courtesy, I suggest you feel that way. If my subtle hint remains misunderstood, then I will go smart.

[Andrey Koptelov]

Quote: rosomaha

if he seriously wins, who has more composure and patience. you can break everything with a fool)

If I were Hottabych, you would already be parachuting in full gear in the sky of Allepo)))

[SSR]

Quote: Andrey Koptelov

Quote: rosomaha

if he seriously wins, who has more composure and patience. you can break everything with a fool)

If I were Hottabych, you would already be parachuting in full gear in the sky of Allepo)))

Well, there are many like you.
If, as you put it, I was Hottabych, I would just try to settle the World in the World and would not send a person on a new untested device such as a "parachute", I would regret and send them in equipment on a parachute. Well, this is a lyrical digression.) ))

[Grits]

Quote from S.S.R.

Well, if, as you put it, I was Hottabych, I would just try to settle the World in the World

True, of course. But first I would drown America in the ocean. So calmer ...

[3danimal]

Who is calmer? Dead?
Are you terminally ill? You have no relatives, since you make such irresponsible wishes?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Andrey Koptelov

If I were Hottabych

It is a pity, God did not give a special beard ....

[Prometey]

Quote: rosomaha

Yes, your division .... will we fight for Syria or let it go on its own?

Sure, we will. It doesn’t give a damn that the country no longer has jobs, salaries, or pensions. The main thing is that Syria be free.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Prometey

no jobs, no salaries, no pensions.

Yes exactly. One already wrote that he almost walks in the trash. But all the "unemployed, penniless" are stable on the Internet.

[Skubudu]

Quote: rosomaha

Yes, your division .... will we fight for Syria or let it go on its own?

What do you propose to fight for Syria?
Neither the S-300, nor the S-400, nor the Carapace, nor the TOR, nor the SU-27,30,35 for their entire service, were hit by any manned Western combat aircraft.

[GEORGISEL]

and in Yugoslavia than they shot down f117 first think then give an answer ..

[SSR]

Quote: Skubudu

Neither the S-300, nor the S-400, nor the Carapace, nor the TOR, nor the SU-27,30,35 for their entire service, were hit by any manned Western combat aircraft.

Comrade has already written about Serbia to you, but the same Americans have such losses. Very comfortable.

April 7, 2003 - F-15E "Strike Eagle" (ser. Number 88-1694, 333th US Air Force fighter squadron). Downed from the ground in the Tikrit region. Both crew members died

What brought down, probably cobblestone?

[Grits]

Quote: rosomaha

Yes, your division .... will we fight for Syria or let it go on its own?

Fearfully.
Have you watched the video with Sivkov? He correctly noticed everything. I also compared the situation since 1905. They laughed at me.

[businessv]

Earlier, the Syrian military department issued a statement on the closure of airspace over the northwestern regions of Syria, including the province of Idlib.

That's when the sale of S-400 to the Turks came around! Very vain we did it! Now NATO knows all the characteristics of the complex and how to deal with it.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: businessv

S-400 sale

Selling to a NATO member, a potential adversary! It smells really bad! That's what a life-giving dollar does!

[tomket]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Selling to a NATO member, a potential adversary! It smells really bad! That's what a life-giving dollar does!

How's the classic? There is nothing in the world that the capitalist would not sell.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: tomket

what did not sell

So they will sell their homeland!

[d1m1drol]

Well, you are like a girl ... no one plans to use S400 against the Turks during this conflict. The Turks are shooting from their airspace, and there it is impossible to shoot down these "bad people", the Turks will immediately run to NATA with the wreckage of an airplane, and will shout about an attack on a NATO member.

[Revival]

What a ridiculous logic, if you attacked someone else without crossing the border, and you were shot down, then they attacked you?))

[d1m1drol]

Here the logic of the yard pack does not work) The Turks dream of pulling NATO up to its full height. If a Turk is shot down in Turkey, this will launch article 51 of the NATO charter. And then Syria will not have a single chance. And so long as the chances remain, yes .. under the blows of the sultan's whip. I think our on-site specialists are looking for a solution to the problem. As an option, substitute our aerospace forces under attack, and then land all Turkish aircraft directly at the airfields. BUT this is a full-fledged war already.

[Revival]

This should not start anything, shot down during an attack or defense, that’s the point.
The NATO charter implies engaging if a country has been attacked, and not because the country has suffered losses during the attack, regardless of territory.
The main question is who is the striker.
If Turkey attacked someone, but does not cross the border, then it is Turkey who is attacking

[Evil Booth]

to remind you of the methods of negotiations between Iran and some kind of USA? ... shoot to kill

[NEOZ]

Quote: d1m1drol

Turks hit from their airspace

What are you talking about?
I sincerely do not understand this position!
when you are beaten you dodge, but dare not answer?
this is a losing position ....
avoiding a strike without an answer is only a delay in the defeat ....

[Donkey driver]

And if they hit Kaliningrad from Germany, will this also work?

[d1m1drol]

You have a perverse logic) If something flies from Germany, then something flies to Germany. It is as if spelled out) But here the Russian Federation is not a participant in a direct conflict with Turkey. Yes, our proxies work there, specialists and advisers work, the videoconferencing works purely on barmales. But this does not mean that we are at war with Turkey. In my opinion, you deliberately create a kind of hysteria in the ranks of members of the forum)

[Donkey driver]

And if something flies from Turkey, why doesn’t it fly to Turkey?

[Revival]

What does the participant in the conflict with Russia have to do with it or not, you simply push perverted logic. They point you to this. At least for Syria, at least for Argentina

[Horon]

This is an ordinary troll! Apparently he played toys on the computer and thinks that in the event of a big war, he uses a cheat or uses a second life! His jumps and chants are strictly sharpened to call for a Russian war against Turkey, even despite the high probability that it will develop into a Russia-NATO war. There are a lot of such "warriors" on the VO.

[Revival]

Yeah, according to this logic, if they bomb without entering our airspace, and we respond, then we attacked chtoli !!? Funny

[d1m1drol]

Nobody is bombing us (RF). I want to remind you.

[Revival]

Cap, you will persistently pretend that they do not indicate personalities, but that your logic itself is erroneous, regardless for which country and situation?

[Horon]

Syria cannot answer Turkey, Russia does not fight Turkey, and most importantly, does not want to fight! You are offering Russia not just to help the SAA, but to get involved in the war as the main anti-Turkish force! Are you ready to drop everything yourself and stand under a gun? And to work for 150 grams of bread per day for the benefit of the front? I do not like the role and fuss of the Russian Federation in Syria, but even less heroic is the solution of other people's problems through the acquisition of mine, which can and should be avoided. We have serious unresolved problems with our neighbors, and we need to soberly assess our capabilities. The bulk of the Basmachi were able to calm down, the base in Khmeimim was maintained and even expanded, Assad was to retain power. Russia will not be able to really maintain the integrity of Syria without a war with all Syrian neighbors and Americans, and Assad’s ardor in this matter could be a great loss for us. We can lose our base, and Assad will share the fate of Gaddafi. And this is even if we do not get involved in the war with Turkey. Already annoying is the general desire to cling to war with Turkey without understanding all subsequent events for us.

[Revival]

1. Where did you see my desire, the offer to fight Turkey?
2. The argument is only that the logic is wrong, that if they shoot at you without crossing the border, and you answered that you are the aggressor

[Horon]

Perhaps this is not in your comments, but those whom you convict in the absence of logic just come from previous requirements to shoot down Turkish planes. Syria does not have what can be shot down using its air force, and it will not work to use long-range air defense because of the danger of their destruction from ground installations if they are moved to guarantee the capture of Turkish F16. The CAA has neither a serious air defense system, nor an air force capable of blocking the sky. It remains the videoconferencing system which can, but it does not need it. This is the logic of the current situation, given conditions.

[businessv]

Quote: Horon

Already annoying is the general desire to cling to war with Turkey without understanding all subsequent events for us.

Why do you think that there is no understanding of all the problems? There is no way to fight the Turks for many reasons, but the main thing is the remote theater of the VD and the futility, and the great danger of such an action. Russia certainly won’t start a war, but there are levers of influence on the situation that IMHO will use on 05.03.2020. This lever is called TPK.

[tomket]

Quote: d1m1drol

Turks to NATE will immediately run away with the wreckage of an airplane, and will scream about an attack on a NATO member.

They constantly run and they are constantly told that in Syria Turkey’s affairs are Turkey’s, not NATO’s affairs. But we have naive people who think that NATO has nothing more to do than go for a tomato sultan. Especially Greece.

[jeka424]

Maybe there. Only words s400 and the filling is different

[Vitaly161]

hasty, just keep in mind that the Turks have not yet unpacked their sales, because the calculations are not ready

[Puzoter]

If now the Turks would have patriots instead of C400, our VKS would be much more uncomfortable. So do not panic.

[businessv]

Quote: businessv

That's when the sale of S-400 to the Turks came around! We did it in vain! Now NATO knows all the characteristics of the complex and how to deal with it.

It’s interesting, but those who were minus can justify their minuses, or all of them with both hands for the sale of our partially secret weapons to a potential enemy? Or are you afraid to be left without Turkish tomatoes again? I don’t ask about rest, only the insane can go to Turkey today to relax!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: businessv

irresponsible

Vadim And here’s the answer: There’s a great deal of insanity with the minuses.

[Neutron Retarded]

The flying desk was shot down.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

This means that Syria (unlike Turkey) has nothing more to fight. They beat these desks like flying targets, and then what?

[Donkey driver]

Paragliders will go.

[Revival]

While it looks like the closure of the flight zone is not Syria, but Turkey

[Victorio]

The Syrian Air Force lost another combat aircraft over Idlib. According to Orient TV channel in its Twitter account, the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter shot down a Syrian Air Force plane over Idlib province.
====
the Syrians are self-assenting, or did the VKS oversleep f-16, but didn’t send anyone to drive away? Or can Erdogan earn points for himself?

[cniza]

In a hurry to make a bigger backlog by March 5th, but in the end ...

[Revival]

Are you mastering what? What fly at home?

[igorlvov]

let's hit the Turks with tomatoes and tourists (it’s time to overwhelm with natashki), well, we’ll increase the volumes, against this we will express dissatisfaction from the chutes between the governments, well, they rub, but they don’t stick and do not need about some kind of virtual plan, talked about ... complete

[Threaded screw]

A great reason to run around the C300, cordially provided. We are waiting for it to come to a conclusion.

[Ustavshiy Shmel]

Are you kidding me? Are you laughing? Irony, sarcasm?

[Dikson]

The Turks have perfectly mastered the tactics of the Israeli Air Force in Syria ... Why enter the airspace of an enemy country, violating its "integrity and statehood"?

[Threaded screw]

The Turks perfectly mastered the tactics of the Israeli Air Force in Syria ... And why go into the airspace of the country - the enemy

All the same, they will not get to where they get from, the first time they get from the fifth, they don’t have their own military or proxies, the rest are not people. The Turks are making out of necessity, there are ours too. (IMHO)

[Konatantin 1992]

So where is the closure of airspace in Idlib? Or what, the military air defense specialists who arrived the other day in the SAR to help create an echeloned air defense system of short and medium range, including in Idlib (as the news story wrote directly) still organize work? As long as the calculations are deployed, neither the assault aircraft will have any equipment left in Idlib ... And this, the Russian officials expressed concern? or at least they said that they did not guarantee the safety of Turkish air assets in the sky over Idlib?

[Bully]

Well, since you can’t touch Turkish planes over their territory, for educational purposes, destroy Points a number of stationary Turkish positions in the Idlib zone.

[Klingon]

and this is called "closed the airspace" ?? that I am tormented by doubts about the effectiveness of the Syrian air defense and the preparedness of their calculations

[Evil Booth]

ogo but the bombing nata did not manage to begin

[Grits]

Quote: Klingon

something I'm tormented by doubts about the effectiveness of Syrian air defense

It should be noted here that this is our air defense technique. That, as it were, hints at thoughts about excessive publicity ... I will even keep silent about the reputation losses. Even the supply of the S-400 to the Turks will not pay off. Can you imagine how many potential buyers are already saying "Fiiiii" ......

[Klingon]

Quote: Konatantin 1992

or at least they said that they did not guarantee the safety of Turkish air assets in the sky over Idlib?

They said it, only the sense is still zero. Drones both flew and fly, and now also the F-16

[Alexey from Perm]

For the Turkish Air Force Idlib like a shooting gallery, they shoot everyone in a row.

[Prahlad]

The pilot died ...

[Xenofont]

It all looks like nonsense! The Turks on foreign territory do what they want, spitting on our kind of defense of the Syrian troops, but our leadership is simply paralyzed and offers to pay the lives of Syrian soldiers for conspiracy with the Turk.

[Prahlad]

They and their soldiers do not spare. It is enough to recall the downed plane, and the answer is tomatoes. What can I say about the Syrian!

[Grits]

The Syrian Ministry of Defense called the incident "an attack by terrorist forces of the Turkish regime on a Syrian military aircraft during an operation against terrorists."
The Syrians, unlike us, know how to call things by their proper names. In response to Erdogan's "Assad regime", they say "Turkish regime". And we are all partners .. partners ...

[SovAr238A]

Syrians have closed the sky?
Or did the Turks cover the sky?

[Redline]

The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans

[Old Horseradish]

Oh yes "partner"! Well, where are the zombies who have been squealing about the "cunning plan" of no one knows who for years? Who was raving here that "they outplayed everyone"? Go kiss your Chinese, they are also "partners". And they will not put in the same way as the Turks.

[Puzoter]

And what, the game is already over and the winner is announced? My friend, you’re an alarmist and provocateur, in wartime you would have been digging a hole for yourself.

[Old Horseradish]

Quote: puzoter

My friend, you’re an alarmist and provocateur,

And you seem to be a political worker. Everyone is banging on the front end, and you are eating vodka with lard and toasting for victory.

[Teacher67]

For zombies, the working day is over, and tomorrow again in the office, scribble comments.

[Nastia makarova]

it's okay, the main thing is not to retreat on earth

[Karaul73]

Syria cannot cope with the Turks without Russia. The Turks will continue to shoot down planes and iron Assad’s troops. It's time to fit in.

[Nastia makarova]

let them be, at least until March 6

[Vitaly161]

that is, the SAA does not iron the barmaley and the Turks?) my friend yes you are an alarmist, the SAA took Nairab and came close to Sarmin, in the dark it will be an assault

[Redline]

Quote: Prahlad

The pilot died ...

Whose pilot is it?

[Nastia makarova]

whose plane and pilot

[iouris]

Erdogan covered his ass with a NATO treaty. In order to shoot down planes over Syria, he can remain within the borders of NATO. This is aggression from the aggressive NATO bloc, and not from Turkey. This creates a precedent for NATO, with which the Russian Federation has a long border. There was already one case when a NATO fighter over Estonia launched a long-range (in fact standard) missile in the direction of the Russian Federation. There was no response. A nuclear power cannot restrain itself for so long. This devalues ​​nuclear potential as a deterrent. It is necessary to answer at least with a nuclear test explosion.

[qaz]

A long time ago, the USSR and other countries signed a document banning nuclear explosions.

[iouris]

Quote: qaz

A long time ago, the USSR and other countries signed a document banning nuclear explosions.

And where is this ... USSR? But "other countries" made good money on his plundering. Can we repeat?

[Bomb]

There are no security guarantees for the Turkish Air Force, as well as for the Syrian. While 3-0, perdogan wins.

[raki-uzo]

Turkish Ministry of Defense: Destroyed in 24 hours - 1 plane, 1 UAV, 6 tank, 5 MLRS, 2 surface to air missile system, 3 armored car, 5 armed pickup truck, 6 army vehicle, 1 ammunition depot, 327 killed.

[g1washntwn]

"... the jacket is imported, suede .... three!"

[Redline]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

whose plane and pilot

Yes, the Mujahideen posted the pilot’s video on Twitter. The pilot is dead

[Dikson]

In this context, the shooting down by the Turks "accidentally" of our, and not the Syrian, side is just a matter of time .. They will blame it on operator error, or some other factor ...

[Alsur]

Quote: fk7777777

And you ask the teddy bear how he, with a humpback, with his cap, sold computer developments, from whose submission the humpback ruined our computer industry, and why we have Windows and Apple, but there is absolutely no OS of our own. Then, jokingly, the bear was enrolled in the personnel reserve, a "valuable" employee (billionaire) in combination, and now who? ...

Are you talking nonsense about humpbacked, if I understood correctly about Gorbachev, the computer industry was ruined long ago for Gorbachev, over 20 years old. And with it, our industry could only produce outdated copies of Western models of computer technology. Therefore, what was ruined was not of special importance, except that jobs, but only that. Where do you come from so illiterate.

[onix757]

the computer industry was ruined long for Gorbachev, over 20 years old. And with it, our industry could only produce outdated copies of Western models of computer technology

Yeah. And Buran made an automatic landing exclusively with the help of an affectionate computer of some kind of mother)
Everything was done in its own way, starting from the element base and ending with software. If then the lag was 10 years, now it’s been forever

[onix757]

* tube

[atalef]

Quote: onix757

Everything was done in its own way, starting from the element base and ending with software

That's for sure - ours - these were bags of punch cards.
And everything else - NEC - if you know what it is.
Do not tell me fairy tales.
The launch and maintenance program was conducted by KIKi, the most important Evpatoria -19.
Where I served, being during the start of the Buran as part of the shift shift.
By the way, Buran did not take off the first time - what would you know.
The software was mine - but the equipment --- alas

[Kushka]

I already wrote that one had the imprudence to offend at Versailles
(they wrote somewhere that he fought hysterically in the hospital, while his face was on the bed
did not break into the blood - lose the war with shame under the walls of the enemy’s capital!).
For then, it didn’t seem like much to everyone - I always confuse - or 70 million in 104
countries fought, or vice versa. Are you sure that Erdogan is not?
For Bulgaria, Serbia - I understand that (the Serbs will climb in, and then shout - we with Russians
150 million) - these are the Slav brothers, the basis of Orthodoxy, a holy duty, although they raked
for them (PMV). But is Syria worth it? Or is Russia deliberately being dragged? Think!
.

[senima56]

"Earlier, the Syrian military department issued a statement to close the airspace over the northwestern regions of Syria, including the province of Idlib." And where is our mighty S-300? They are already losing the third plane! If only one Turkish was shot down in response!

[Bomb]

Such questions are not resolved, dear ambassador and condachka =) Strengths are not equal, so far so.

[Kushka]

"The Turkish Ministry of Defense: Destroyed in 24 hours - 1 aircraft, 1 UAV, 6 tank, 5 MLRS, 2 surface to air missile system, 3 armored car, 5 armed pickup, 6 army vehicle"
If Erdogan loses the car, the listed will not do.

[iouris]

In Idlib, the Syrians cannot close their planes from attacks from NATO airspace. Where are electronic warfare systems, unique jammers, weapons based on new principles? You can only answer by delivering sensitive blows to ground troops and formations. How to apply them if aviation cannot act? To save a reputation, such crises were previously stopped by the threat of using nuclear weapons. And now no one will believe.

[McDonnell Douglas]

All our planes must be leased to the Syrians, let the Turks run out of rockets.

[Alexander Sharapov]

It is reported that a Syrian plane was shot down today by a Turkish F-16 fighter.

[Alexander Sharapov]

Syrians shot down 12 Turkish drones in total. Five are Anka and seven are Bayraktar. Shot down by Shells and Beeches. https://t.me/sashakots/12580

[Alexander Sharapov]

The losses among the Syrians on February 26-28 are serious: 191 killed, 293 wounded, 23 tanks, 16 IFVs, 9 MLRS. 43 KIIR men were killed by a strike at an Iranian observation post. So it goes. https://t.me/rybar/9066

[Grigory_45]

Quote: McDonnell Douglas

All our planes must be leased to the Syrians, let the Turks run out of rockets

rare in genius plan

[KVK1]

Quote: McDonnell Douglas

All our planes must be leased to the Syrians, let the Turks run out of rockets.

but the interesting news

Syrian military aircraft after the attack of the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force suspended flights in the north-west of the country, one of them returned to the base airport. On Tuesday, March 3, reports "Anadol".

It is specified that in connection with this, air strikes in the region are now inflicted only by the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia.

not that they (the Syrians) want to fight the Turks ....

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Leshy1975

Quote: fruit_cake

bots came running to defend the Turks, in the chat roulette Bandera’s clowns crawled out with Turkish flags in the background, in psychiatry it’s already possible to introduce new types of insanity looking at these mental disorders

Many here, many in the "vsepalschiki" have long written me down. Well, I got bored alone, "proudly wearing this title" - all-pervading. And then, just in time, a video with Konstantin Sivkov came out. Meet the citizens, the next "all-consuming". Be sure to watch the video until the very end, all the salt of the video is in the last minutes:

PS How so? I am not familiar with Sivkov at all, and our thoughts came together almost a penny to a penny. Of course, I didn't have anything about the Kurds, I never said such a thing, but the rest is 100% coincidence. Now I am sitting in a riddle. Either Sivkov is also "all-consuming", or maybe just our analytics turned out to be the same, because it is adequate and corresponds to reality. But of course it's up to you to decide, dear minus.

There is no need for "bots" to defend the Turks, as we see the Turks themselves cope, there is no need for "bots" to defend Assad or Iran, "bots" Russian "bots" need to defend Russia and think about its interests FOR THE PERSPECTIVE.
For a pragmatic and objective assessment, forecasts, proposals in the analysis, one needs to build on real facts, and not on what is desired or invented, to call a spade a spade. Sivkov does not.
A simple example, Sivkov agrees and himself says that in the forerunner of the orgy of ISIS and others in Syria, there was a civil war, he clearly speaks about it, but we go further for the "pro-Turkish" opposition, we will conditionally call the "Sunni majority", including the groups that we have recognized as terrorist, Sivkov invites Turkey, among other things, to undertake the obligation to destroy them. Ok, the Turks, for example, agree, and make a counter offer, for what, by inertia, is called the SAA, but has long been not the same Syrian army, due to the fact that most of its soldiers either died or went over to the side of anti-government forces during the civil war. Hezbollah and other Shiite groups that are also recognized by many states as terrorist organizations are fighting, and now the Turks will offer either Russia, or it is not clear what in case of exclusion from the so-called. CAA fighters of these groups, Syria to destroy or withdraw terrorists and mercenaries in the controlled territory. AND?

Let’s sing a song that it’s not militants or mercenaries, but the forces invited by Assad to fight for him in the civil war against his population to continue to call SAA?

Further. I do not agree that the Turks have territorial claims and ambitions to expand their borders, at least for now, IMHO, they have a different strategy. But suppose ...
We have the Russian Spring, though as they say we were bored with it, the Turks have the Turkish Spring and the Turkic-speaking population in eastern Syria, we have the "Way Home", and therefore EVEN IF the Turks have plans to arrange a "way home" for Idlib and the region around it, why are we clucking here? Didn't we set a precedent? ... And sorry, what difference does it make to us - in any case, we will control the border of Turkey with Syria ... and this is important wherever it moves. Well, think for yourself ...
MinusEra by itself, and who thinks with his head and disagrees, well, imagine the results of a referendum in this region, or even in most regions of Syria ...

Persia - EMPIRE, Turkey - EMPIRE, Russia - EMPIRE, in its past, present or desired future. We ourselves have ridden our Empire, let’s walk along the edge risking losing land, but we are also helping Iran directly or indirectly in its imperial ambitions, Assad is so, ass for decency, and creating obstacles for Turkey in its ambitions ... Iran is radical Islam, RADICAL, albeit Shiite, Turkey is the so-called MODERATE Islam and only in Erdogan’s dreams, in fact Turkey is a state with democratic institutions and what the hell are there to do without elections and a referendum. Iran OFFICIALLY, read the late Ayatollah Khomeini, who is now steering the Ayatollah Khamenei, never even considered us partners, we are like that, well, something like toilet paper like Ayatollahs crap one’s pants. Iran has nowhere to go from us, and Turkey was drawn to us, but we exchanged it again, not for Assad, but for Iran, and for the interests of a couple of our oligarchs.
The Soviet leadership was more far-sighted in this, the still young Soviet Russia helped the Turks, the USSR helped the Turks during the Cyprus crisis, and I think for a reason, then we had HEADS, DESTRUCTIONS in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc. Now, a simple example, Peskov is a Turkologist, so judge the level ...

[Mik1701]

Author Respect.

[yfast]

Donbass is more precious to me than fighting Assad with Turkey. Maybe Faberge him the door ...

[sanik2020]

The fact of the matter is that this long-suffering country is being bombed by everyone who is not lazy, they are shooting down its planes, destroying its air defense systems. And the air forces can shoot down at least one aircraft of the aggressor, or only in words?

[gohomeyanki]

Quote: gohomeyanki

And direct investment in the crisis, it’s actually buying up cheap assets that will grow after the crisis when the crisis passes ..))

and it’s even worse than if you were simply given a loan, you bought a hut for half the price ... and you think this is friends, friends, well, is it strange ??

You at least translate this into a simple language for yourself, since economic terms are complex and incomprehensible to you, and it will immediately become clear what kind of friends there are. )))