An alternative to Russian oil: Minsk is not appeasing, Kiev helps

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An alternative to Russian oil: Minsk is not appeasing, Kiev helps

Despite reaching the first agreements aimed at resolving the conflict situation with the supply of Russian energy to Belarus, Minsk does not want to abandon the game of diversification of raw material flows for its own refineries, the profitable work of which is one of the main pillars of the state budget.

As expected, there are more than enough people who want to help in this undertaking. So, the head of its public relations department Ibrahim Akhmetov recently announced readiness to cooperate with Belarus on the oil issue of the state energy company of Azerbaijan SOCAR. However, as it turned out, at the moment we are talking only about one tanker consignment of 80 thousand tons for Belneftekhim, which will be shipped from the port of Supsa. When, while it is not known ...



At the same time, OAO Gomeltransneft Druzhba announced that they were preparing to establish supplies of Azerbaijani oil to the Mozyr oil refinery through the Ukrainian Odessa-Brody pipeline. This information is also confirmed by the deputy head of the Belneftekhim concern Vladimir Sizov, who states that the import of oil (without specifying which one) into the country through the pipeline mentioned above will begin literally in March this year.

For obvious reasons, neither Mr. Sizov, nor any of his colleagues are spreading about the estimated price of their expected supplies in comparison with the cost of energy that Russia offers Minsk. They are also stubbornly silent about the reliability and stability of new flows of “black gold” from various alternative sources. As practice shows, the difference between Russian and any other oil supplied to Belarus by one route or another is at least $ 100 per tonne - naturally, in favor of raw materials from the Russian Federation.

It is extremely unlikely that Baku or Kiev would suddenly decide to do charity work in favor of Alexander Grigoryevich - even if they ardently desire to move Russia to the Belarusian market. This is clearly seen in this example: not so long ago, announcing the intention to “significantly increase passenger traffic” with Ukraine, the first deputy head of the passenger service of the Belarusian Railways, Alexander Drozh, lamented that Ukraine, apparently, was not very interested in this one. The Belarusian side has to beg its representatives to launch more trains. There is no doubt that they will try to squeeze the maximum out of oil transportation there, without any discounts on good neighborly relations.

It is not known how long the attempts of the official Minsk to show character will last. Attempts to convince yourself first of all that Belarus can easily do without Russian oil should be considered as a stubborn denial of a completely obvious fact: Lukashenko lost the next energy war unleashed by him. For the first time in his tenure. This is quite obvious if only from the fact that he agreed to compensation for "dirty oil" in the amount of $ 61 million and no longer tries to stutter about the initially announced much larger amounts. No Ukrainian, Azerbaijani, Norwegian, Lithuanian or other volumes of supplies to Belarusian refineries are capable of leading Belarus to economic success due to its not only meagerness, but also its high cost.
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  1. +6
    2 March 2020 07: 36
    Belarus does not want Russian oil, even if it buys it, but the fact that any independence has a price is what everyone and pan Lukashenko and the people of Belarus should understand, and this is not only a monetary issue.
    1. +1
      2 March 2020 07: 50
      Independence, at least in matters relating to energy resources, is possible only if there are reserves of these very resources on the territory of a state that wants to have sovereignty in this matter. In the absence of such resources, sovereignty is limited by the ability to choose whom to depend on in this matter. Let this sly-tram-pam-pam Ragul Lukashenka choose. Generally, in psychology, this situation is described as "frustration". I really want to be sovereign, yes nyama magchymastsi
      1. +1
        2 March 2020 07: 55
        Quote: KilleMall
        In the absence of such resources, sovereignty is limited by the ability to choose who to depend on in this matter.

        This is true, but Pan Lukashenko decided that he was smarter than everyone else and was able to play on contradictions ... "torture", trying to be a "bridge" between the West and Russia. Ukraine failed ...
        1. 0
          2 March 2020 08: 00
          I agree ... but it seems, it's time to understand that time is not right anymore. They can send ... and I think they will send, despite the fact that now is not the best time for this.
          1. 0
            2 March 2020 09: 18
            USA, Great Britain, Turkey doubled the purchase of oil in Russia ... Why? Some are from Venezuela, someone has problems with Iran and other former colonies. Why does Turkey not increase oil purchases in Azerbaijan, but buy in Russia? Azerbaijan reduced oil production over the past year .... And then Belarus decided to take Azerbaijani oil ... will the Azerbaijanis joyfully refuse the Turks? wassat Answer - Ukraine does not use all the oil and wants to use the unused dad ... For me, this is the master master ..

            By the way, the United States now exports the most oil ... And they are not squeamish and are not afraid to get hooked on this needle ..... and yet- They use their own oil from ours - otherwise the US oil refineries cannot work - they are imprisoned for Venezuelan + its own ( USA) light oil ....
      2. +5
        2 March 2020 08: 00
        Oil, oil, gas .. And a hundred times. Or maybe the country should not live alone with oil and gas? We sat on this needle in the 70s of the last century. In the end, what happened to the country? Of course, there are many reasons, but we continue to depend on energy prices.
        1. +2
          2 March 2020 08: 06
          Quote: 210ox
          Of course, there are many reasons, but we continue to depend on energy prices.

          Like any country, but someone to a greater extent, someone to a lesser extent ... You just need to understand this "price", and most importantly what it consists of.
        2. +5
          2 March 2020 08: 12
          I have a slightly different view of this question ... so what's wrong with getting more benefits from energy trading? over there America adheres to a quite conservative view on this issue - "if a product is in demand, it must be sold." increase oil and gas production ... and even went even further and added - "and if our price is not competitive, then we need to strangle our competitors." the danger for us is that we must not allow the budget to be critically dependent on these revenues.
          1. 0
            2 March 2020 11: 15
            Yes, but America's goal is to strangle our competitors and us in the first place. For we are critically dependent on this oil and gas.
            1. +4
              2 March 2020 11: 36
              their goal is to strangle everyone ... and us, and China, and the EU (so they don't open their mouths), and the Arabs ... but we, of course, are very vulnerable ... Russia is practically isolated and even in such a situation we are still fighting. .. other "hands up the hill". In general, I wonder how much longer we can hold out? the country is literally being strangled and so far the country does not give up, but how long will it have strength and patience. not the right people to play with ... No. . I believe that in the face of such pressure, a repressive domestic policy is needed, as under Stalin, and we have some kind of left turn ... nonsense.
            2. 0
              3 March 2020 20: 36
              Quote: 210ox
              Yes, but America's goal is to strangle our competitors and us in the first place. For we are critically dependent on this oil and gas.

              I hope you do not want to say that our goal is to strangle Belarus? After all, they are critically dependent on our oil and gas?
        3. -4
          2 March 2020 11: 10
          Or maybe the country should not live alone with oil and gas?
          SP-2 graduation day will be declared a holiday and a day off
          1. +2
            2 March 2020 11: 41
            If it can be completed, then this day, of course, should become a holiday, because it will definitely be a victory. No one has ever exerted such pressure on anyone. This is not about sanctions, but about the brazen behavior of the Americans. here is the "invisible hand of the market" and "free competition" and all the crap about democracy ... straight from the "primary source", as they say smile
      3. -1
        2 March 2020 08: 07
        Quote: KilleMall
        let this cunning-tram-pam-pam ragul Lukashenko choose.

        Yes, he has no choice: the Russian low price inexorably decides everything.

        And the games with the West for him mean one thing: they use it, like, um, and throw it out with his whole family.
        And he understands this. anyway, bye.
        1. 0
          2 March 2020 09: 06
          "Show must go on" ...
        2. +9
          2 March 2020 10: 30
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: KilleMall
          let this cunning-tram-pam-pam ragul Lukashenko choose.

          Yes, he has no choice: the Russian low price inexorably decides everything.

          And the games with the West for him mean one thing: they use it, like, um, and throw it out with his whole family.
          And he understands this. anyway, bye.

          Energy, this is not just a commodity, it is strategic. And in any case, Lukashenko will now try to get some oil from other sources. For a strategic product (raw material), for the often great importance, it is not even the price, but the uninterrupted supply. Because lack of supply can completely stop the entire economy. And deliveries from one source, with periodic ones: we will agree, we will not agree, there will be deliveries, they will not. Such games do not suit anyone. Europe itself, after repeated gas wars between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, did not think much and figure out who, as a result, was the reason for supply disruptions. Gas must be supplied in any way; this is a strategic commodity. And so, spitting on costs, invested in LNG terminals. And now we can butted as much as we like with Ukraine and prove anything to each other. Europe diversified its sources and ultimately reduced the price of gas and secured its supply.
          Well, RB acts according to the same logic. For the same reason, the USSR, even being in a state with the West, did not turn pipelines in different directions with a valve. Deliveries went smoothly. The USSR understood this and found a compromise in advance, therefore, such conflicts did not arise. And in our recent history, pipelines are a series of endless scandals and wars. And traditionally for the New Year holidays. hi
          1. +2
            2 March 2020 12: 05
            that Ukraine, that Belarus would be strategically correct not to shit ... not to quarrel with Russia, but to be a strategic partner for Russia. they decided to play sovereignty ... and in their sick imagination, sovereignty looks like this: given my geopolitical position, I will trade in loyalty ... you will supply gas at such a price so that we can provide a free and decent profit, so you can call us " brothers ", will not, so we are now in NATO ... joint exercises ... or whatever base we will stir up. and they are unaware of the poor that this is prostitution, not sovereignty.
            1. +3
              2 March 2020 13: 26
              Quote: KilleMall
              they decided to play sovereignty ...

              explain the word "play" in this context
              1. +2
                2 March 2020 14: 01
                I don't even know what to say to you ... in my opinion, everything is obvious. neither Belarus nor Ukraine in modern realities are able to ensure their sovereignty ... and therefore will certainly be used for only one purpose - to weaken Russia. in the current realities, this is the only thing that can attract Western "partners" to them, and this is the carrot that is held in front of them so that they cheerfully move away from the strategically, or in general, vital alliance with Russia. When I say "vital" I mean all three states ... so if cho ... so that questions about the context do not arise.
                1. +1
                  2 March 2020 15: 13
                  Quote: KilleMall
                  neither Belarus nor Ukraine in modern realities are able to ensure their sovereignty ..

                  These are their problems. They are recognized by the UN.

                  Quote: KilleMall
                  and in view of this they will certainly be used with only one purpose - to weaken Russia

                  How do you think these "non-states" can do this?
                  1. +4
                    2 March 2020 15: 47
                    now I don't understand your "contexts" laughing
                    explain the word "play" in this context
                    - Your question
                    neither Belarus nor Ukraine in modern realities are able to ensure their sovereignty
                    - my answer.
                    this is the context. here I explain what I meant when I wrote about "playing sovereignty"
                    These are their problems. They are recognized by the UN.
                    what is this about ???
                    How do you think these "non-states" can do this?
                    - Ukraine is no longer a state, but Belarus still maintains statehood, but as soon as it slides into Russophobia ... and it doesn’t slide down ... it starts to fall apart ... - this is the law of nature when a part of a single nation begins to build its identity on hatred and renunciation of its origins and despising the unity of blood.
          2. +3
            2 March 2020 15: 34
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Energy, this is not just a commodity, it is strategic. And in any case, Lukashenko will now try to get some oil from other sources.

            He only has NO money for it.
            Quote: Leshy1975
            And deliveries from one source, with periodic ones: we will agree, we will not agree, there will be deliveries, they will not. Such games do not suit anyone.

            Such "games" -with ALL suppliers: not agreed -will not.
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Europe itself, after repeated gas wars between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, did not think much and figure out who, as a result, was the reason for supply disruptions. And so, spitting on costs, invested in LNG terminals.

            This was taken before gas. wars with Ukraine.
            And:
            One of the reasons for the low activity of European countries in the LNG market is its high cost, another reason is the long-established pipeline gas supplies from Russia. As a result, the existing regasification capacities are not in demand, the terminals operate with a rather low load. Terminal capacity utilization ranged from 19% in the Netherlands and 20% in the UK to 31% in Belgium and 37% in Italy


            Quote: Leshy1975
            Europe diversified its sources and ultimately reduced the price of gas and secured its supply.

            The price fell not because of LNG in Europe, but because of lower energy prices around the world.
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Well, RB acts according to the same logic. For the same reason, the USSR, even being in a state with the West, did not turn pipelines in different directions with a valve. Deliveries went smoothly. The USSR understood this and found a compromise in advance, therefore, such conflicts did not arise. And in our recent history, pipelines are a series of endless scandals and wars

            So let him act. But it also survives
            And yes, today Russia supplies more gas than a reasonable USSR and at very different prices and its share in Europe is higher.
            1. +1
              2 March 2020 15: 48
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Energy, this is not just a commodity, it is strategic. And in any case, Lukashenko will now try to get some oil from other sources.

              He only has NO money for it.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              And deliveries from one source, with periodic ones: we will agree, we will not agree, there will be deliveries, they will not. Such games do not suit anyone.

              Such "games" -with ALL suppliers: not agreed -will not.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Europe itself, after repeated gas wars between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, did not think much and figure out who, as a result, was the reason for supply disruptions. And so, spitting on costs, invested in LNG terminals.

              This was taken before gas. wars with Ukraine.
              And:
              One of the reasons for the low activity of European countries in the LNG market is its high cost, another reason is the long-established pipeline gas supplies from Russia. As a result, the existing regasification capacities are not in demand, the terminals operate with a rather low load. Terminal capacity utilization ranged from 19% in the Netherlands and 20% in the UK to 31% in Belgium and 37% in Italy


              Quote: Leshy1975
              Europe diversified its sources and ultimately reduced the price of gas and secured its supply.

              The price fell not because of LNG in Europe, but because of lower energy prices around the world.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Well, RB acts according to the same logic. For the same reason, the USSR, even being in a state with the West, did not turn pipelines in different directions with a valve. Deliveries went smoothly. The USSR understood this and found a compromise in advance, therefore, such conflicts did not arise. And in our recent history, pipelines are a series of endless scandals and wars

              So let him act. But it also survives
              And yes, today Russia supplies more gas than a reasonable USSR and at very different prices and its share in Europe is higher.

              Those numbers that you cited, of course, have a place to be. And how to interpret them is already a somewhat subjective opinion. We will stay each with his own. Tired of arguing already these days (on other topics). But you are one of the few who always well substantiates their position. Although I often disagree with you, but believe me, I have also given you a lot of pluses for the rationale and logical defense of my opinion.

              With respect to your opinion. hi
              1. 0
                2 March 2020 16: 00
                Quote: Leshy1975
                Those numbers that you cited, of course, have a place to be. And how to interpret them is already a somewhat subjective opinion. We will stay each with his own.

                Agree
                Quote: Leshy1975
                But you are one of the few who always well substantiates their position. Although I often disagree with you, but believe me, I have also given you a lot of pluses for the rationale and logical defense of my opinion.

                I can say the same thing, especially since in something (about Europe) you, of course, are right hi
        3. +1
          2 March 2020 14: 59
          Any economy needs energy at low prices, regardless of their origin. Very simple, but not accessible to everyone. They are trying to deceive geography. By the way, there was information that Kolomoisky pumped technological oil from the Odessa-Brody pipeline, so it needs to be replenished with something. Ukraine will not do this at its own expense.
      4. +5
        2 March 2020 08: 25
        I read about his "Wishlist" and realized that under the "union" state, Mr. Lukashenko meant that independent Belarus (he didn't even think to unite) would just sit on the balance of the Russian Federation. That is, we give them money and resources, and we ... and we are the occupiers ...
        Interesting in his "concept" of the union state ... just some kind of occupation. Even the United States, milking the whole world, is somehow covertly explaining, like, in the name of democracy. And here it is straightforward and simple. Give us what to eat or go to ...
        Still an interesting character
        1. 0
          2 March 2020 15: 08
          Quite an uninteresting character. It was. And now nasty, arrogant, stupid. But there are still supporters who are not able to notice insanity.
      5. -1
        7 March 2020 19: 25
        Well, let this cunning-tram-pam-pam-ragul Lukashenko choose.


        What a boorish untied tone in relation to the head of the ally state. If you do not consider Belarusians to be brothers, you may not have a place in our country. Maybe it's time to move to where you get paid for such provocative statements
    2. -1
      2 March 2020 08: 01
      There’s nothing to add, everything is stated absolutely right.
      1. -1
        2 March 2020 08: 50
        Old Man is completely strange. Soon it will start to transport oil from all over the world to Belarus by air! lol
  2. +7
    2 March 2020 07: 38
    Why are you climbing to them? Want to buy in other countries? Let them buy. This is their own business, they are an independent state and are capable of deciding what is beneficial for them and what is not.
    1. +10
      2 March 2020 07: 50
      So then it is. But only then Grigorich does not need to scream about such a fucking Russia. And its independence should not be strengthened by spitting in Russia.
    2. 0
      2 March 2020 07: 53
      And who forbids him ??? Freebies want to resell.
      1. -1
        2 March 2020 08: 00
        Well, if not a seller, then difficulties))
      2. 0
        2 March 2020 08: 23
        Well, do not sell duck))
    3. +1
      2 March 2020 08: 05
      Well, let him live within his means, but only within his means. If you can of course. And no one climbs to them.
      1. +1
        2 March 2020 08: 18
        Do you think that without Russia, Belarus will fall apart / die / disintegrate?
        1. +3
          2 March 2020 08: 34
          No, it will not die and there’s nowhere to disintegrate, it’s just that at first production will gradually degrade, the standard of living will drop and you will come to what, I don’t even dare say. This will be in the event of a break with Russia. And if the stripes fit in, the bulk will eke out a miserable existence, and the top will be chic, as indeed everywhere in capstrana. But the social network will collapse is 100%. And even this is not the main thing, the main thing is you will betray yourself, as now the Ukrainians betrayed their grandfathers, refusing to celebrate Victory Day.
          1. +5
            2 March 2020 08: 45
            I live in Russia, they simply touch the phrase that without Russia everything will be bent everywhere))
            1. 0
              2 March 2020 08: 46
              Come find in my opus
              that without Russia everything is bent everywhere))
              this phrase.
              1. +3
                2 March 2020 08: 53
                Not specifically in your opus, but in general, the vector of most commentators are aimed at such a meaning, not directly, of course)) They say that the United States will suddenly (for some reason) all countries become poor and poor and (naturally) want to get out of the yoke of the United States. Whether it is Russia, it only brings benefits and drops of "Mira" on the wings))
                1. 0
                  2 March 2020 09: 00
                  Yes, because it’s true, first yell, give it, give it, preferably free, then the occupier yell, they forgot how the Germans treated them. Listen, what are you all Russophobic liberals doing here if you hate your country so much? Go down to the striped ones and at least get wet there.
                  1. +3
                    2 March 2020 09: 17
                    Quote: Ros 56
                    Listen, what are you all Russophobic liberals doing here if you hate your country so much? Go down to the striped ones and at least get wet there.

                    And you are bastards of pseudo-patriots, download comprador oligarchs along with Putin and flow to them in the plunder of the country, you are accomplices of the wild robbery of my homeland. And what the hell, I have to blame somewhere on your Wishlist, maybe you will dump somewhere with your imperious camarilla, the air will become cleaner and we will begin to restore the country without you and your idols-thieves!
                    1. +2
                      2 March 2020 09: 21
                      I’m the same as everyone and I don’t like a lot of things, but I never spit on my country, unlike you liberals jumping in squares.
                  2. +4
                    2 March 2020 09: 27
                    What makes you think that I am a liberal-Russophobe?
            2. +1
              2 March 2020 15: 23
              Bend without Russia or not-let them decide for themselves, try. Russia needs a tougher policy in relation to its neighbors: if they need something, let them beg and pay. It’s more profitable to sell oil to non-CIS countries, which means no for Belarus. Protect your manufacturers - do not let the milk out. And so in everything.
          2. +10
            2 March 2020 09: 11
            Quote: Ros 56
            But the social network will collapse is 100%. And even this is not the main thing, the main thing is that you will betray yourself,

            This is when the Belarusians suddenly became traitors? If they don’t want to buy our hydrocarbons, which belong to our oligarchs, what is the betrayal?
            1. +1
              2 March 2020 09: 16
              You do not pull phrases from the text. Read correctly:
              And if the stripes fit in, the bulk will eke out a miserable existence, and the top will be chic, as indeed everywhere in capstrana. But the social network will collapse is 100%. And even this is not the main thing, the main thing is you will betray yourself, as now the Ukrainians betrayed their grandfathers, refusing to celebrate Victory Day.

              Or do you think the stripes will leave everything as it is, well, it’s unlikely.
            2. +1
              2 March 2020 16: 13
              "The betrayal of their ancestors" is a rejection of the Russian World. In addition, natural resources are the property of the state. But Belarus can buy hydrocarbons anywhere, even to spite itself.
        2. +2
          2 March 2020 16: 16
          We believe that building our "independence" at the expense of others and at the same time spitting in the hand that gives you is some kind of zashkvar. I can't find another word.
          Thank you!
          1. -2
            2 March 2020 20: 52
            "Who are "we?
            1. -1
              3 March 2020 03: 26
              For example, I, and many from this site. Enough or maybe you can make up the entire list to replenish the future "peacemaker" in the Zmgar incarnation?
              1. +1
                3 March 2020 08: 26
                Do you have some kind of psychological problem or total disbelief in your strength and safety? You have already accused me 3 times of what is not) So speak for yourself, others will speak for themselves. There is such a superhero "The Switchman", he does about the same as you))
    4. +2
      2 March 2020 08: 08
      if someone had not started political games on this but simply bought where he wanted all this and would not have sounded here. it’s not Putin running around the media and demanding something constantly. you somehow forget that on the resale of our oil, Lukashenko, so to speak, earned good money for years.
      1. -3
        2 March 2020 08: 19
        An odious character, what else can you say. Now they are poking each other and our countries will move farther apart. I believe that this is a completely logical and normal way.
        1. +2
          2 March 2020 08: 27
          do not throw and threw. I do not remember at least one phrase of the Russian president in which he condemned the Republic of Belarus in something. and the fact that you consider it logical and correct now explains a lot. and I strongly doubt that you are a Russian. we don’t say that. stylistically, we build phrases differently. but you continue) it's even funny)
          1. +5
            2 March 2020 08: 29
            Well, if Chelyabinsk is not Russia, then yes, I'm not a Russian))
          2. +3
            2 March 2020 09: 29
            Quote: carstorm 11
            and I strongly doubt that you are a Russian. we don’t say that. stylistically, we build phrases differently. but you continue) it's even funny)

            And you have pro-power skakuas around enemies and traitors and you, in your paranoid ravings, consider us Russians, those who do not support this damn power, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, Balts, Finns, Poles, everyone ..... I think that this is a group insanity, yet Kashpirovsky and Chumak greatly mocked you.
        2. 0
          2 March 2020 16: 18
          What is natural and normal in the fact that one people falls into pieces? Or are you from these zmgar? Then there’s nothing to talk to you about
          1. +3
            2 March 2020 20: 50
            We decided to live separately - let them live. You can only wish good luck and patience))
            1. -1
              3 March 2020 03: 30
              Something in Europe is very harsh, such attempts to "live separately" are suppressed ... And where does democracy immediately disappear ... Where is now poor Puigdemont with his Catalans ...
              Interestingly, something else, why build your "independence" on Russophobia? How can you curse yourself? Well, there were no ukrovs or ancient Belarusians. It's funny and wild. All of the same people came out. Why invent idiotic chimeras?
              1. 0
                3 March 2020 08: 24
                Leaving the camp of Russia in the camp of the West)) They have such a desire, not for you to judge them))
                1. 0
                  3 March 2020 09: 52
                  What are you)! That is, Europe can judge everyone at its discretion, regardless of desire, but we do not!
                  Wow, how simple you are.)) Directly naivety itself))
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2020 16: 23
                    Listen, I don't know how old you are, but probably not too much)) Let's take another example, "Europe can hold gay pride parades, but we can't?" - what do you think? Not everything needs to be pulled, to which the foot reaches)) Let Europe judge, what is the loss for you? They gather and talk to each other all nonsense, and you hung your ears and also want to))
                    1. 0
                      6 March 2020 06: 54
                      Chatting and imposing are different things. And I have enough years. Age does not guarantee an automatic "boost" of the mind. I often saw something different ...
  3. -1
    2 March 2020 08: 04
    Lukashenko can be seen very quickly forgot about soft loans and the sale of agricultural products (not of the highest quality that they would not say) to Russia
    1. -5
      2 March 2020 08: 22
      Well, why did the Russian Federation buy agricultural products (not of the highest quality, from your words)? Would buy a good quality. why did they give out loans and benefits? Could not calculate the risks from such behavior? Did Lukashenko have such rhetoric just now? She has been going for a long time))
      1. +2
        2 March 2020 08: 54
        So what with the fact that "cute scolds." It is important for us to unite not with Lukashenka, but with the Belarusian people. And normal economic relations should contribute to this. hi
        1. +2
          2 March 2020 08: 57
          I agree, it’s good if this is a mutual desire))
          1. +4
            2 March 2020 09: 25
            Unfortunately, neither us nor the Belarusians are asked about this. And referenda are needed, on the basis of which a fundamental decision should be made - to unite or not. hi
            1. +1
              2 March 2020 09: 26
              It's right))
        2. +7
          2 March 2020 09: 33
          Quote: bessmertniy
          It is important for us that unity is not with Lukashenko, but with the Belarusian people. And normal economic relations should contribute to this.

          And if the Belarusians do not want to live together with our oligarchs and the thieves' government, will you force them into "friendly" Putin's arms?
          1. +4
            2 March 2020 10: 04
            The point is not that they live together with our oligarchs and the elite power, but that people live with the people. I think that they also have their own chmushniki, with whom I, for example, would not want to live any life. wink
            1. +2
              2 March 2020 12: 26
              The point is not that they live together with our oligarchs and the elite power, but that people live with the people. I think that they also have their own chmushniki, with whom I, for example, would not want to live any life.

              Victor, nobody bred peoples. Especially with Belarus, especially given the huge number of mixed families. The question is different. I will try to give you my opinion. A bit of history. In 1991, events took place, as a result of which three separate states appeared - the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus and Ukraine (I'm only talking about them). Changes have taken place in each state, for example, new state symbols have appeared: Flags, emblems and anthems. Who knows what you yourself. In Belarus, on the wave of imaginary nationalism, a flag with white-red-white stripes appeared, the coat of arms "Pursuit" and the anthem I no longer remember. Naturally, the language is Belarusian. Badak in everything. But after the election of Luka, a referendum was held in 1995, according to which the Belarusian society was determined by an absolute majority that Belarus should have two state languages ​​- Russian and Belarusian and state symbols as similar as possible to the Flag, coat of arms and anthem of the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic. This was the opinion of the society. Then there were a few more additions: the death penalty, the abolition of two presidential terms, and so on. Let me clarify once again that this is the opinion of the people. And the electoral system also remained Soviet, without any parties. We have created for ourselves such a small world, convenient for life. I do not particularly consider economic issues, you have to pay world prices, for God's sake, we will pay. Now look from this point of view at the entry into the Russian Federation, without a difference by regions or autonomy. A flag appears, reminiscent of Vlasov's, for Belarus it is still important for now, a coat of arms with an eagle, and a wonderful anthem. Well, the electoral system, well, very muddy, with parties that are fighting for personal power, there is a lot to talk about this. And the question arises: Who in Belarus needs it? I don’t, my family doesn’t either, and we are from the RSFSR. To sacrifice everything for the relatively cheap oil and gas. A medium-sized business has appeared in Belarus, which operates according to established rules, they say directly that Russian business will come to us, us the khan, it is better to take business abroad. Something like that. request
              1. 0
                2 March 2020 16: 27
                The economy of Belarus is terminally ill, you just don’t notice it anymore. The oligarchs are a scarecrow. A good business will survive, but why a weak one? But you do not want to be sympathized with - free will, survive .....
          2. 0
            2 March 2020 16: 22
            They will live with the European oligarchs and go to wash toilets there. The choice is so that is ... but will it work out? There already "nibrattya" took everything
            1. 0
              3 March 2020 08: 22
              Will it work or not, it's their task and not yours)
              1. 0
                3 March 2020 09: 54
                What, is it true?)
                I directly listen to you, as a "mega-authority" generally recognized and believe)))
                1. -1
                  3 March 2020 16: 21
                  I did not notice that I was proving something to you)) You listen to your conscience and not me or other people))
            2. -2
              3 March 2020 14: 05
              what do you care about them? there would be an opportunity from Russia, half the people would rush toilets to wash in Europe.
              1. 0
                6 March 2020 06: 55
                On their own people are not judged
      2. -1
        3 March 2020 03: 37
        This is called politics.
        Ally support. In this case, unfortunately, it turns out that the "ally"
  4. +4
    2 March 2020 08: 19
    He does everything right. Yes, today oil from the Russian Federation is, conditionally, 60, and from the west 100. And tomorrow there will be 120 from the Russian Federation so what? The availability of alternative routes is not cheaper today, but the guarantee that tomorrow with Russia will be at least no more expensive than the world ones. And the fact that the liberals from the Russian government will raise domestic prices above world prices is a matter of time, because the fact that they raise prices inside the country (so far to world prices) and ruin their industry, reducing the competitiveness of domestic goods, is beyond doubt.
    1. +1
      2 March 2020 08: 21
      That’s for sure, the domestic consumer will buy (forced) due to the lack of an alternative, the administration of the Russian Federation can raise at least 10 times and still buy domestic consumers))
    2. +2
      2 March 2020 08: 29
      awesome logic you have) you somehow forget about world prices for a product) it from the Russian Federation stupidly cannot be more than world)
      1. +5
        2 March 2020 08: 44
        Quote: carstorm 11
        she from the Russian Federation stupidly can not be more than the world)

        For Belarus, Russian oil will always be more profitable. Even if Azerbaijani oil is cheaper than Russian oil, it must first be pumped to the Georgian port and filled in the terminals, then loaded onto a tanker and delivered to the Odessa port, reloaded into the oil terminal, then pumped through the Odessa-Brody pipeline, then to Druzhba and only then will go to the Mozyr Oil Refinery. By the way, from the Odessa-Brody oil pipeline Kolomoisky stole all technical oil, and Belneftekhim pumped out technical oil from Druzhba, and pumping without technical oil is impossible. The question is, one tanker is enough to create technical oil, so they pump one bucket up to Mozyr, everything else will go to technical oil.
    3. 0
      3 March 2020 03: 37
      Oil has one world price. It is determined on the stock exchange ...
  5. +2
    2 March 2020 08: 23
    Finally, Lukashenko realized that diversification is equal to energy security.
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 08: 31
      do you naively believe that this is the case?)))) RB made money by reselling it for years) and suddenly they became concerned about energy security)))) it’s fun to read like that))))
      1. +2
        2 March 2020 08: 42
        Of course I’ve bothered. Once they raised prices and processing became unprofitable, so who will remain silent, but what prevents them from further raising? moreover, if a monopolist. And foreign policy ... on TV, and even here, they will tell us that we feed everyone, and they are ungrateful, and allies are not needed, most importantly the army and navy. Wow, that’s funny.
        1. +2
          2 March 2020 09: 08
          it is beneficial in any case. just for a simple reason, all communications are established. Logistics configured. direct delivery to the manufacturer bypassing various intermediaries. only margin falls. and it was her fall and the beginning of these tantrums. but it will not be in the case of a purchase from various sellers who simply can’t make a lower price, taking into account delivery. and the fact that Lukashenko is doing this right now is calling his ears frostbite. as for all fed. and this is not so forgive? even according to the most conservative estimates, the IMF in September 2016 estimated the total support of the Belarusian economy from Russia at $ 106 billion only for the period 2005-2015, or about $ 9,7 billion a year. Do you think they are grateful?
      2. +8
        2 March 2020 09: 41
        Quote: carstorm 11
        do you naively believe that this is the case?)))) RB made money by reselling it for years) and suddenly they became concerned about energy security)))) it’s fun to read like that))))

        Enough already carry your propaganda ravings of the evening m. For housewives and senior citizens! In Kazakhstan, our 92-grade gasoline costs 26 rubles !!!
        Why ????
        1. 0
          2 March 2020 10: 41
          it does not cost 26 rubles. it costs some tenge there. start to understand that the conversion to the ruble in different places is stupidity. and in Finland it costs more than 100 why tell me?))) or in Ukraine it is about 70 answer why?)))) understand there is a difference between the slogans that you poke at me and the construction of prices for goods in different countries. as for the text that you have allocated and why you decided to surprise me for some reason with gas prices in general in Kazakhstan, do you want to tell me that resale was not a budget item in the Republic of Belarus? Why this translation of arrows from obvious facts?
          1. +4
            2 March 2020 13: 16
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Why did you decide to surprise me for some reason with gas prices in general in Kazakhstan, do you want to tell me that resale was not a budget item in the Republic of Belarus? Why this translation of arrows from obvious facts?

            I don’t want to surprise you with anything, I want you to stop discussing the state of affairs and the presidents of other countries, and finally begin to soberly discuss our irreplaceable affairs in our country !!!
    2. 0
      2 March 2020 16: 34
      Lukashenka has yet to understand that “they do not seek from goodness”. All that is required is: to treat a rich neighbor with respect and know when to stop.
  6. Eug
    0
    2 March 2020 08: 24
    So give Father the opportunity to splash his face on the table beautifully (fill Belarus with oil at world prices). If this route were cost-effective, it would have long been used.
    1. +4
      2 March 2020 08: 59
      With Old Man is somehow more fun. wassat He is not a member of the Central Committee - to obey the will of the "party" from Russia, the United States, Ukraine, or elsewhere. The Old Man has his own head on his shoulders, which must think about the Belarusians so that they do not feel bad. hi
      1. -1
        3 March 2020 03: 41
        Yeah, it's a good thing. It’s only then that it must do WITH its own forces, and not at the expense of others
  7. +1
    2 March 2020 08: 36
    Quote: Erich
    Well, why did the Russian Federation buy agricultural products (not of the highest quality, from your words)? Would buy a good quality. why did they give out loans and benefits?

    Apparently wanting to support the economy of the Republic of Belarus and hoping for its loyalty. But it turned out as always, where not to kiss ....
    1. -1
      2 March 2020 08: 51
      Your capitalists will be strangled by the extra ruble, spit on them to support anyone; they are killing your business right now by raising prices for everything inside the country. Everyone earned money there and everyone in proportion, and will continue on.
      1. +3
        2 March 2020 08: 57
        In addition to the capitalists, we also have a boss. Without it, a fly will not fly. laughing
  8. 0
    2 March 2020 09: 07
    Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko for 6 years is the General supplier of gasoline, fuels and lubricants, automotive and tractor transport, weapons, ammunition, available military technologies, food and other types of material and technical supplies for warring against Russian, Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 12: 08
      Quote: Olya Tsako
      Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko for 6 years is the General supplier of gasoline, fuels and lubricants, automotive and tractor transport, weapons, ammunition, available military technologies, food and other types of material and technical supplies for warring against Russian, Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      of course
      apparently he supplied exclusively to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russian Federation exclusively to civilian tanks.


      it can be seen that the Republic of Belarus supplies more gasoline, and the Russian Federation diesel.
      So it’s clear who is fueling the tanks ...
      1. +1
        2 March 2020 13: 29
        Quote: Σελήνη
        So it’s clear who is fueling the tanks ...

        not so with the young lady! She will have a gap pattern laughing
  9. +1
    2 March 2020 09: 31
    Lukashenko has a desire to buy oil all over the world and for a high price, this is his personal business. To diversify oil flows, again, the desire is essentially healthy, and in fact a country at a loss. Demonstratively opposing himself to Russia, on my part, it seems to me, stupidity. Wants to become the second Poroshenko? He wants to make Ukraine number 2 from Belarus? I have the opinion that the actions of Lukashenko, recently, are not aimed at benefiting the people of Belarus, but at trying to personally gain something for themselves. By all means trying to prevent the unification of our two states, he is trying to exclusively maintain his own unlimited power in Belarus, but at the same time worsening the life of the Belarusian people. IMHO
  10. +2
    2 March 2020 09: 32
    And I think Azerbaijan should provide a 50 percent discount, and Ukraine should pump oil for free. After all, everyone knows that you have to pay for an alliance with Belarus.
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  12. +4
    2 March 2020 10: 35
    As always, in the morning a bucket of slop on Belarusians. Oligarchic monkeys put an end to the friendship of peoples. And we generally have one people. But at the same time they are intensively pumping gold from Russia.
    And where would you think? To Belarus?
    - No!
    To Ukraine?
    - No!
    To England?
    "Sales of Russian gold abroad jumped eight times in 2019, to $ 5,7 billion, and almost the entire volume was exported to the UK, follows from Russian customs data. Brexit helped to increase the export of the precious metal in Russia."
    https://goldenfront.ru/articles/view/rossiya-prodala-velikobritanii-zoloto-na-rekordnye-5-mlrd/

    Well, we are noodles about the decaying west, patriotism and bad Belarusians.
  13. +1
    2 March 2020 10: 49
    Erich (Alexander)
    Why are you climbing to them? Want to buy in other countries? Let them buy. This is their own business, they are an independent state and are capable of deciding what is beneficial for them and what is not.
    The matter is of course personal and they are true. That's only from a human and political point of view, dealing with a big darling. Throughout the years of Belarusian independence, Russia has practically dated their economy, and in return - why aren’t you giving (figuratively) for free? And away we go: Moscow is so syaky, Russians want ....
  14. 0
    2 March 2020 11: 08
    All this nonsense
    Defender 2020: NATO will work to seize Belarus to attack Russia
    02.03.2020/2020/XNUMX Leave a comment on Defender XNUMX: NATO will work to seize Belarus for an attack on Russia
    In the countries of Eastern Europe, large-scale exercises “DEFENDER ‑ Europe 20” have started, during which NATO countries intend to work out supposedly defense against an attack by Russia. At the same time, more than 20 thousand contingents of the US Army are supposed to be transferred across the Atlantic, which should connect with 9 thousand American soldiers based in Europe and another 8 thousand troops from other countries of the Alliance, and after that - a march to Russian borders, near which basic maneuvers will take place. For information on what is included in the training program and why they could potentially threaten security and maintain a balance of power in Eastern Europe, read the article by Alexander Tikhansky, military expert, Ph.D. in Sociology, leading researcher at the International University of MITSO in Minsk.

    What is DEFENDER Europe 20
    These days, when all the attention is paid to the struggle between Russia and NATO countries in Syria and Libya within the framework of the market and raw materials division of the world, no less significant events are taking place on the East European front. Losing its position in the Middle East, the Pentagon seeks to strengthen its position in Europe. The large-scale maneuvers of the American troops DEFENDER Europe 20, affecting the territory of ten European countries, are exclusively devoted to this — moreover, NATO structures do not command, they only “assist” American units.

    Launched in January of this year, the Defender of Europe 2020 exercise (DEFENDER Europe 20) is one of NATO’s largest military events over the past 25 years. According to the organizers (read: USA), during the exercises, the scenario of "defending" Europe in the event of an "attack" of Russia will be worked out. In addition to 16 NATO member countries, in particular, the USA, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Poland and the Baltic countries, military infrastructure and the territory of Finland and Georgia will be involved (interestingly, Turkey will not participate in maneuvers, although Georgia is nearby) .

    Almost 40 thousand military personnel will be involved in the exercises, including 25 thousand US troops (of which about 20 thousand (!) Will be transferred from the USA), and 33 thousand units of military equipment. The maneuvers themselves - their active phase - will last until May (apparently, to the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II), but the troops will only go to their places of permanent deployment by August. Over a vast territory from Germany to the borders of Russia in the Baltic states, this numerous armored group will work out military logistics and implement the principles of “military Schengen”. In the west, the main forces are concentrated along the axis of Estonia - Bulgaria, but part of the troops will be transferred to Georgia - Russia, thus, will be taken into a semicircle from the west and south.

    Are there any analogues?
    For the first time, such large NATO maneuvers were held back in 1995. Although, for example, in the exercises called the Trident Juncture, which took place in 2018 in Norway with the participation of 29 NATO member countries, as well as Sweden and Finland, more than 50 thousand (!) military personnel were involved. Since 2011, NATO members such as Poland and the Baltic countries, with the participation of the United States, have regularly conducted Saber Strike exercises. Again, in Poland, once every two years, exercises are held under the name "Anaconda" (Anakonda), in which all NATO member countries participate. During these exercises, the scenario of capturing the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad and the capital of Belarus, Minsk, is being worked out. That is, in the military maneuvers of NATO and Belarus, it is openly taken on the sights.

    In September 2019, the U.S. Army tank battalion arrived in Lithuania. It consists of 500 troops, 30 Abrams tanks and 25 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. This tactical group is deployed at a training ground in Pabrad, 10-15 km from the border with Belarus. It is noteworthy that all expenses for the preparation of the base and the maintenance of the unit were borne by the Lithuanian side.

    The official version is that the tank battalion arrived to participate in the NATO Atlantic Resolve exercises. Such maneuvers are regularly carried out by the Western military bloc in the neighboring Baltic states and Poland, but this situation has several features.

    First, the tank battalion reaches the border of Belarus almost six months before the exercises.

    Secondly, NATO has not yet deployed its heavy offensive equipment so close to the state border of the Republic of Belarus.

    Thirdly, the configuration of NATO bases is consistently lining up around the territory of Belarus.

    In the light of recently released information that the US military is developing scenarios involving a nuclear strike against Belarus, all this fits into the scheme of actions of American strategists, and, from a military point of view, there is nothing surprising here.

    The Americans perfectly understand the nature of our defensive obligations to the Russian allies within the framework of the Union State and the CSTO bloc, therefore, when planning an attack on Russia (naturally, exclusively “in response to Russian aggression”), the Pentagon objectively needs to defeat the Belarusian state, which the American military is laying in its plans.

    What is special about it?
    It should be noted that military exercises of NATO countries at the borders of Russia and Belarus are commonplace. Every year, on land and sea, the United States and its European satellites conduct up to fifty different kinds of exercises and maneuvers, most of which, as a hypothetical scenario, involve opposition from Russia. However, the planned DEFENDER Europe 20 exercises are somewhat distinguished from this series at once by a number of signs.

    The first is scale. Most of the military exercises of NATO countries were conducted locally (with the participation of military units of a number of countries, but within one or more countries). DEFENDER Europe 20 will be held on the territory of 10 European countries at once.

    Secondly, about 40 thousand troops from 18 NATO countries and alliance partners will take part in them. 40 thousand - this in itself is a lot by European standards. In addition, they called Ukraine, although usually it participates in exercises either on its territory or is invited to small minor maneuvers.

    Thirdly, 20 of the 40 thousand troops will arrive from the United States, which will be the largest transfer of American troops to undergo training in Europe over the past 25 years. Accordingly, it is not NATO that oversees the preparation of the exercises, but the US European Command.

    Fourth, the timing. The time is indicated as April-May 2020. That is, maneuvers will stretch for at least a couple of weeks (whereas regular exercises fit in 4-7 days). However, only the active phase of the exercises will take so much, while the deployment of troops began in January 2020, and the return of troops to bases in the United States and Europe is expected only by August. Thus, in general, DEFENDER Europe 20 is an event that takes about half a year.

    Fifth, the region of the venue. The end point will be the Baltic states: a hint that these exercises are an answer not only to Russia's modernization of its armed forces, but also to the development of defense initiatives within the framework of the Union State and the CSTO. Moreover, all these 40 thousand soldiers will not come to the Baltic states immediately. The troops will arrive at military bases in the Federal Republic of Germany, and then will be redeployed to the Baltic states via Poland via roads, railways and sea transport.

    Military buildup
    Already in Poland and the Baltic states there are about 10 thousand troops of the USA and other NATO countries. In the near future, American troops in Poland will increase by about another thousand troops. Over the past years, the United States and NATO have been creating and modernizing military infrastructure (military bases and airfields, ports, transport routes, etc.) in Poland and the Baltic states, and have been working out various schemes for the rapid redeployment of troops from the United States and other NATO countries from both the mainland USA and from Western Europe. In Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Poland, warehouses for heavy weapons of the US armored division have been created or are being created. And NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on February 20, 2020 said that the alliance countries will invest $ 260 million in the construction of military facilities for the US armed forces in Poland.

    In February 2019, a tender of engineering troops was posted on the US government procurement site for the construction of a “complex for long-term storage and maintenance of equipment” at Powids Air Base, “the largest construction project in recent years under the alliance to equip a storage complex for American military equipment.”
    1. 0
      2 March 2020 17: 59
      Good analysis! hi
  15. -1
    2 March 2020 11: 18
    The stupidity of Luka and his company, which runs Belarus, plays into the hands of Western "partners", driving the economy into a corner. They do not want to lose the rule of the patrimony, but the people will somehow tolerate this rural socialism. The truth is plagued by doubts - did not their rulers prepare spare airfields for themselves in this very West? Very much like that.
  16. 0
    2 March 2020 11: 30
    God be with him. Looks like Lukashenko turned on self-liquidator. Wants to coffin, let coffin.
  17. 0
    2 March 2020 23: 07
    They want to, let them buy ... will others sell at a price lower than the world ??? ... Anna Gurina, Head of the Planning and Economic Department of Belneftekhim Concern - “The concern has been presented with very intense key performance indicators for 2020. According to the forecast for 115,4, the cost of oil in the cost of production of petroleum products will account for at least 5,2%. " Let's see - plans are plans,
    the experience has already been - January 2017 - "And we did not just work out these alternatives. We tried some, experienced already in practice, delivering oil from the Black and Mediterranean Seas to our refineries in order to see in practice how it will look economically" https : //topwar.ru/107599-lukashenko-ischet-alternativu-nedopostavlennoy-rossiyskoy-nefti.html
  18. 0
    5 March 2020 10: 40
    Azerbaijani oil needs to be heated during transportation, how much will it cost at the outlet of the pipe if it is also heated by Ukrainians ...