In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships

Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.

According to recent Turkish publications, Ankara is considering the option of closing the straits for Russian warships. Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

The second response to the complication of the situation in Idlib could be the delay by the Turkish side of the deployment of the Russian anti-aircraft system S-400, scheduled for April this year.

The Russian State Duma on this occasion expressed the hope that Turkey would not go to extreme measures and would not block the straits for Russian ships.

I think that Turkey now needs to refrain from aggressive plans, from various military actions and military rhetoric regarding our state or any other state (...). It is possible that there will be some kind of barrage in the Bosphorus, but it will not reach extreme measures

- said the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Yuri Shvytkin.

Earlier, Ankara accused Russia of striking Turkish soldiers, which led to the death of 33 military.

Comments

[newcomer]

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

[dorz]

thought about closing the Black Sea straits ...

This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose.

[protoss]

so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

[letinant]

Quote: protoss

so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

Read carefully articles 20 and 21.

This right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21 if Turkey considers itself "in imminent military danger"

Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current). At the same time, Turkey refuses to withdraw its troops voluntarily (it was asked) and prevents it from fighting terrorists. If this is an attack on Turkey, then this is a complete AUT.

[Avior]

I think not so easy

... if Turkey considers itself to be "in imminent military danger"

A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.

[letinant]

Quote: Avior

I think not so easy

... if Turkey considers itself to be "in imminent military danger"

A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.

What nafig broad interpretation !? Turkey under the threat of an immediate military THREAT. TURKEY, KARL, TURKEY AND NOT ITS ARMY, WHICH IS LOCATED BETWEEN OTHER OTHER THAN THE TERRITORY OF HIS COUNTRY !!! Then we will calmly introduce troops into the territory of Turkey, and when they attack us, we will say "Oh, you threaten us, then a fluffy animal has come to you." Where is the logic!? WHOOOO !!!

[Russobel]

Finally young man!
Soak in the toilets, stop them already mocking us ...

[Guillon]

Once such a booze has gone - cut the last cucumber! We need to conduct our profitable policies and not be in the wake of someone!

[BVS]

And where did you see the words "to the territory"?

[sabakina]

Quote: bvs

Turkey considers itself "in imminent military danger"

BVS (Victor), the key word is "direct". And then, is Turkey a territory or an incorporeal spirit?

[BVS]

"the word" immediate "." - has a lot of investments, and not necessarily "territory". It seems attracted to me.

[max702]

Quote: letinant

Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current).

Well Duc the whole question WHO will decide this .. After the case of the Skripals and SP-2, absolutely anything is possible, in any interpretation of any nonsense .. The only question is how can we defend our interests, and how to support our position .. Recently we decided that in connection with the difficult situation of the 404th Russia has to pay 2.9bn and paid like nice ones .. So, will our bureaucrats have enough to press the calluses of the "partners" or again with a bow, whatever? Oh, I don’t know .. the bourgeois do not care that the Turkish troops are on foreign territory, it is important that these troops are doing exactly what the bourgeois need, and therefore support is guaranteed! The question is how much of this .. Sanctions will cost or will provide military assistance, and again what will OURS do in case of hard pressure ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: protoss

ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

Idlib is NOT Turkey.
nobody attacks and threatens herself

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: protoss

ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

Idlib is NOT Turkey.
nobody attacks and threatens herself

This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.

[letinant]

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: protoss

ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

Idlib is NOT Turkey.
nobody attacks and threatens herself

This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.

If they do it with the wording "because of Idlib" - this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! Article 5 of NATO does not work in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say, itself, itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, will definitely shit Turkey and Iran and the Kurds. think Erdogan, their whole economy is going to hell. Closed shipping and air communications, tourism business, their own food, they will float to whom? If even now they are asking to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may be banned for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

Personally, I subscribe to the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."

[Vol4ara]

Quote: letinant

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: protoss

ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

Idlib is NOT Turkey.
nobody attacks and threatens herself

This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.

If they do it with the wording "because of Idlib" - this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! Article 5 of NATO does not work in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say, itself, itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, will definitely shit Turkey and Iran and the Kurds. think Erdogan, their whole economy is going to hell. Closed shipping and air communications, tourism business, their own food, they will float to whom? If even now they are asking to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may be banned for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

Personally, I subscribe to the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."

Forget about the words that sound in the Soviet Union, we are zilch in comparison with its power and titanium eggs of its leaders.

And they will not say that it is because of Idlib, and then this is not a direct declaration of war. The West may not directly fit into the conflict, but Turkey will be healthy with weapons and money.
Kurds will not win the Turks for sure, but together with the Turks, Assad can be destroyed and they can already organize their own state in Syria. So that Wishlist need a little podzakoto. Here we are Syria and Turkey against us behind whose back the whole west and the states

[protoss]

according to this version, hmeimim is not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.

[Olgovich]

Quote: protoss

by this version and hmeimim not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.

according to your version, horseradish and carrot are one and the same.
But it is not

[Rostislav]

Under the Convention, Turkey has the right to close the straits if it is one of the parties to the military conflict, i.e. Turks need to officially declare war on Russia, then they can close the straits. If they simply close the straits in silence, it will be regarded as a declaration of war.

[Romka47]

I agree with you, and if Turkey declare war on Syria, can it close the straits to the allies of Syria? (I'm just interested, not good at this)

[A.TOR]

Turkey may declare war on Syria. It's enough

[newcomer]

I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.

Look at the map - you can transport cargo to the Syria from the Baltic Sea and the Far East via Gibraltar or the Suez Canal. Yes, further and longer, but the blocking of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles will not block our base in Syria and the supply by sea will continue.

[Machito]

Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.

when?

[Machito]

To begin with Oleg Prophetic?

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

To begin with Oleg Prophetic?

preferably closer. "You won't go far in a carriage of the past"

[Machito]

I do not want to argue with you. I read your comments with interest.
Yesterday is the past.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

I do not want to argue with you.

so I don’t argue, I just want to know

[Machito]

Strait mining in WWI, for example.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

Strait mining in WWI, for example.

got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction

[Machito]

Obstruction can be obtained, but the veto is with us, not with Turkey. As recent experience has shown, Turkey is very dependent on the Russian Federation, and not vice versa. It is still no one has supplied weapons to the Syrian Kurds from Tartus. The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries, but a very welcome dream of our partners.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

but the veto is ours, not Turkey.

I doubt that the overlap of the Bosphorus will appeal to everyone in the world.
Article 109 of the UN Charter
With a view to revising this Charter, a General Conference of the Members of the United Nations may be convened at a time and place to be determined by two-thirds of the votes of the members of the General Assembly and by the votes of any nine members of the Security Council.
Do you think they will support us?

Quote: Bearded

The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries

nevertheless, she is and her story - centuries

[Machito]

The UN is already breathing. Russia's obstruction could lead to the collapse of the UN and global chaos. It’s easier to merge Turkey than to butt with Russia.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

The UN is already breathing.

Nevertheless, Russia uses the veto right in the UN Security Council and is unlikely to refuse it. The dream of the States to deprive the Russian Federation of this right. the blockade of the Bosphorus is just that case

[Machito]

To deprive Russia of the veto, it will have to be expelled from the UN. The expulsion from the UN of 1/7 of the land will turn it from a world organization into a regional one, and will disrupt the entire post-war world structure. And then what? Third World and New United League of Nations? Will China want to deprive Russia of the veto? Hardly.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bearded

she will have to be expelled from the UN.

not at all. I brought you an article of the UN Charter above

[Machito]

How does Russia react if two-thirds of the participating countries want to change the UN Charter and strip it of its veto?
We have already been stripped of our votes in the Council of Europe. Russia is likely to suspend its membership in the UN. The same stinger, only in profile.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Silvestr

What will the UN say?

The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail. In any case, in the event of a conflict between Turkey and Russia, Turkey will lose much more. In addition, in Turkey itself, Erdogan’s affairs are not very political.

[New Year day]

Quote: orionvitt

The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail.

it's you in vain. And Russia values ​​its place in the Security Council

[orionvitt]

There are two structures, the UN assembly and the UN Security Council. The first is useless (especially recently), but all the main problems are solved just in the second. The first one has long been able to hammer a bolt. However, the second too. The remaining members of the Security Council spit on the opinion of Russia.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Silvestr

got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction

From an article in the internet: "At the end of the 70s, Turkey announced that it was considering the issue of closing the passage through the Bosporus in the Mediterranean for Soviet warships. To this statement, Comrade Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko (Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR from 1957 to 1985) said at a cocktail party in the White House to American journalists that for the passage in the Mediterranean the USSR Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of missile volleys. As a result, in addition to the Bosphorus, there will be two more passages in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. never raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to Soviet warships. "

[Rusticolus]

But there is another option besides mining. You can start training exercises at the exit from the Bosphorus since the Black Sea Fleet still has nowhere to swim. Necessarily with rocket firing the closure of the water area and all that. Duration longer. And all under international law. And the fact that it will become uncomfortable for someone to swim there is their problem. At the same time, it will be possible to keep an eye on freedom of navigation, and if in Turkey there is a war, then you never know who and what can happen in the Bosphorus, a tanker there accidentally dives.

[sabakina]

Sylvester, tomorrow is today, but only tomorrow.

[newcomer]

I’ve seen enough on the map at school, but it’s like that. It is possible this way and that, delivery time. Critical will have to be through the air, which is fraught to be accompanied. With a massive, accentuated strike on our bases in Syria, we will have losses, God forbid. The issue is not in the provision itself, but in what would the initiative be seized. Work ahead of the curve. Constantly responding to provocations_ we work with the second number. We can have big problems.

[gohomeyanki]

attack on the base of Russia, this is military aggression against Russia actually.
for some reason, in these in your and similar comments, something like this:
* Turkey blocks the straits, but Russia does not block or block it, because Turkish trade will suffer, and this is not comme il faut.
* Turkey attacks planes, the base of the Russian Federation (actually the base in Syria, this is a piece of Syria, which is officially Russian)

and it does it because of tararampararam, it’s afraid of NATO ....... hmm.
Responding constantly to provocations is WHAT ?? For provocations just do not answer yet. The Turks beat the Syrians, hiding behind their bases and flags ... it is ugly, unfairly looks in my opinion, there is no justice or something ...

[behappy]

Yes, yes, with DV just carry super! one or two - and they’ve already brought everything))

[Zhelezyakin]

The key two points are time and cost. Agree through the World Cup, much more profitable. With the same success, you can buy on the spot (if someone sells).

[Romka47]

It’s easy to sell, there’s just an assortment ... not that meager, not the latest models. Although the question of money (as always) would be a lot of dough, the police would have sold us something, or even PMCs got their banners under our banner, but with money we are even worse than with that strait.

[Zhelezyakin]

I mean, to buy some goods on the spot would be clearly cheaper than to drive them by sea from the Baltic Sea or even more so from the Far East!

[Romka47]

I understood you, well, in all seriousness, the BK nomenclature for tanks and artillery, and in theory the MLRS can also be bought and obtained on the spot, food and some other equipment, maybe air bombs, are out of the question. Well, about the cartridges for the shooter, RPGs without any problems. But then again, what volume would be required in the event of an alleged war?

[shahor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

to Syria by sea can also be from the Baltic

And do not remind who controls Gibraltar? Is the passage through Suez free and free? For the Syrian express, we bought Turkish rusty barges. Now we will buy junks from the Chinese?

[Piramidon]

The Turks on the Black Sea coast have bases. The straits do not interfere with striking them.

[Keyser soze]

This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose.

Yes, only the Turks say. They are shy, they will not get into a fight. Here is a story from a close past:

It was 1982, and the Bulgarian government adopted a program to rename the names of Bulgarian Turks, from Turkish to Bulgarian. And then they kicked out half a million to Turkey ...

So, in 1984, they went wild in Ankara, began to scare us, cried at the UN, and wherever .... they put the Turkish army on alert .... and received the mobilized Bulgarian army at 24 hours at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

And with you they won’t climb at all - it can be very painful there, even up to the emergence of the southern Constantinople military district. There, the Crimea will be completely behind you ..

[Serwid]

Quote: Keyser Soze

and at 24 hours they received a mobilized Bulgarian army at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Serwid

So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.

Turkey has joined NATO since 1952. But NATO then also said "on your own ... on your own ... on your own ..." and the plans turned sharply. Someone just made a false start. Doesn't it remind you of any situation and country?

[knn54]

"Turkey has the right to close the Bosphorus only in case of an official declaration of war, and even then only for the passage of warships, exclusively at night and in a situation when Turkey itself is a belligerent in relation to countries whose ships and vessels intend to pass through the straits." ...
PS "To pass through the Mediterranean, the Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of missile salvoes, as a result of which, in addition to the Bosphorus, there will be two more passages, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul."
USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko.

[Varyag71]

Now is not the USSR

[New Year day]

Quote: knn54

USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko

so it is LOUD! And now Lavrov

[Looking for]

I would rephrase a little, then the USSR. And now, Russia.

[behappy]

The whole USSR with its Armed Forces and the Navy was behind Gromyko. Today the Russian Federation is not even a distant reminder of the USSR, but quite the opposite both in terms of the Armed Forces and the Navy, the economy, and the political situation in the world (that is, at least without the Warsaw Pact countries). No, the "loud" words of Gromyko are history, today (and even earlier) scarecrows must be supported not only by the amount of weapons in the country, but also by the economy (and whether the country will be able to continue and for how long). And this is not and is not observed on the horizon of the Russian Federation.

[Avior]

I don’t know where this quote comes from, but the convention says completely different

[_Ugene_]

he has been persistently doing this lately, why it’s not clear, but it’s more interesting what to do, and it’s bad to fight the Turks and not to fight, if they go to aggravation, it’s bad, but it’s probably worse to retreat

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: _Ugene_

but more interesting is what should we do

Good question. There is no obvious answer, except: "Zhahnem!"
Because after "Zhahnem" the following question arises: What's next?
Let's hope for a tricky plan ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I wonder what we do with the Turks

According to the situation, they decide whether they want war - they get it, while Russia always stands for a peaceful solution to complex issues.

Turkey must leave Syria for good or bad.

[Gxash]

As Putin said: "If a fight is inevitable, hit first."

[Charik]

yes he said a lot of things

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

Nothing like an airplane - will do. He pokes his warm nose into the palm of the GDP - and he will be forgiven ... That's what the calculation is for. He doesn't even have politics - pure trade. It sells like melons - "buy - not buy", "expensive - not expensive."

Eastern Bazaar - it is the bazaar.

[cniza]

Unfortunately, this is not understood in another way - the East.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Nothing like a plane - will cost.

It wasn’t worth it - dozens of killed Turkish soldiers, and they were killed in Syria, where no one called Turkey.

And the introduction of armed forces into the territory of another state is an armed invasion, a war.

Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.

Once a neighbor of the Turks, relying heavily on NATO assistance, tried to make war with Russia. It all ended with a chewed tie. Does Erdogan have many ties? Is there something to chew? I can help - I don't know the taste, but there is a choice of colors. I can even offer a "butterfly".

Of course, Turkey is not Georgia, it will not do here for three days. But Erdogan is not Mishiko - does not go to war with a nuclear power. I think it will not reach chewing ties in Ankara.

[Спартак]

Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Spartak

Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...

I didn’t sit in the trenches, yes, behind the stones. And not under artillery - under mortars. When they knew about buttons only in the elevator.

The age has long been drafted, even in the military enlistment office they have already written off. Although skills, health and strength were still very few. It will be necessary - and I will find young people what to teach. Surprised yet.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...

Have you written a message right from the tank or the trench? From Turkish or Ukrainian?

[My doctor]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

[Genry]

Quote: MyVrach

Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.
It’s enough to sink one large ship ....

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Genry

It’s enough to sink one large ship ....

Soooo And then what?

[Genry]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And then what?

Destabilization of Turkey ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Genry

Destabilization of Turkey ...

Describe in more detail?
It seems to me that this takes time, well, to organize all this on a scale that could significantly affect such a state.
And what do you think?
And that's not it! We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Describe in more detail?

A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...
How do you think events will develop further?

[kjhg]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

How do you think events will develop further?

So Putin promised them to go to heaven. Seriously, even, I emphasize, EVEN in the event of a direct war between Russia and Turkey, no one will use nuclear weapons and, moreover, arrange a world nuclear apocalypse. They crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.
When will these little things calm down? In fact, as children are small.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: kjhg

crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.

You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?
And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us? Let's say blockade.
We need to defeat NATO in this case.

[kjhg]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?

Of course, Turks and Russians.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us?

It is very possible.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Let's say blockade.

But this is unlikely. Well, first of all, Russia is too huge for them to give us a complete blockade. Secondly, it will cause very big problems in Europe itself. Thirdly, a cornered animal is much more dangerous. And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: kjhg

And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.

I agree of course, but will it be easier for us?
In any case, optimists.

[polar fox]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...

zhahnut be sure. when all the "power" packs their suitcases and sit on the planes ... and until they move, there will be another expression of concern.

[My doctor]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

Do you (you) have it?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.

This is where you are wrong. Well there, Turkey needs Turkish tomatoes more than Russia. So are the Turkish resorts. Russia will somehow turn over without them. But Turkey, without gas, is somehow not very much and Azerbaijan will not help much here. In the east, if there is a choice between loss of face and money, money is usually chosen. Soon we will hear something like "Wah, why did he say so badly, we are peaceful people, let's do it."

[Kisa]

You are so cool fighting from the sofa)))) and in general, until the fascist boot of the Ottomans will trample our Constantinople))

[Alexey Sommer]

You can put "-", you can "+".
You just have to UNDERSTAND that for Turkey, Idlib is like Donbass for us.
And the Syrian, Turkish borders and the borders of Ukraine were cut, as it were, without taking into account the national borders of residence.
Russia, of course, can defeat Turkey ..
But you have to think, what next? Us that Idlib Turkomans are native?
Or does Assad pay a pension to our pensioners? They kept power to him, let him say thanks.
Let's take care of your loved ones. Can we start from Donbass?

[kjhg]

Quote: Genry

The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.

Explain why this is Turkey? I don’t see a problem, why the Turks will not be able to pass ships of other Black Sea countries? When Russian ships request permission to pass, they will be refused. Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.
I really would not want this, but such a scenario is becoming more and more real.

[Naive]

And if such tricks of ours are consumed, then this will be the end of Russia.

[kjhg]

Oh, I don’t need about the end of Russia, a red line, an incident of Belli. Our country passed through everything, but, thank God, it still exists and will exist for a long time. Yes, this will complicate our lives, but there is nothing critical about this, especially since it will all be temporary. In this case, Turkey itself will receive big problems.

[Genry]

Quote: kjhg

I don't see a problem

You have not read ....

And stopping the activities of the Bosphorus will lead to huge costs, for Turkey, without making a profit.

[orionvitt]

Quote: kjhg

Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.

You say that only Turkey can block the straits. With the same success, Russia can do this, and for all .. In case of war, of course. Declare the straits a war zone and no one in their right mind will stick up.

[Avior]

Not so easy
The Straits - the territory of Turkey, which means it is legally a declaration of war on Turkey

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

then this is legally a declaration of war on Turkey

Can you read? Wrote in black and white

In case of war, of course.

If it comes to this, there will be no territory of Turkey, there will only be enemy territory.

[Avior]

I am able
And you?
Turkey can block the straits without declaring war on anyone - the convention allows it
But any actions of other countries in the straits is an attack on Turkey.

[orionvitt]

Convention allows

According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "in imminent danger of war",

A highly extensible concept. And the closure of the straits will be regarded by Russia as a direct declaration of war.

[Avior]

It will be regarded by all as written
And it is written plainly that under the convention it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not
And a threat is a threat, not a war

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not

Yes, who would argue, let him decide. You can only reach the zugunder. Erdogan already reminds Lukashenko of something, he went completely off the coils. To goodness, it certainly will not bring.

[abrakadabre]

It’s enough to sink one large ship ....

Was there a bridge there? Or no? It can fall into the water. Instead, or with a boat.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: MyVrach

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war

So why should we be shy?

[dauria]

Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

How everyone was alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.
I'll try and I
cooler title " Information is received from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ....
... considers it a strategic need to ensure the supply of the Crimean group in addition to the bridge across the land part of Ukraine. And also access to the Bosphorus Strait through Bulgaria. With a probable exit to Kaliningrad through the Baltic States .. It is not excluded that the eastern direction through the Caspian-Iran-Iraq "

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dauria

How everyone got alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.

It seems like there’s even a video

[dauria]

It seems like there’s even a video

Turkish Ambassador brought an ultimatum to the Kremlin? Or ".... eleven" divisions were removed from their places of permanent deployment, a "full" degree announced?
Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

Officially block the straits - it will be after all preparations , not before. When everything will be clear to everyone without ambassadors. Even to me, an old fool who is farther than his native beerhouse and does not go anywhere.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dauria

Turkish Ambassador brought an ultimatum to the Kremlin? Or ".... eleven" divisions were removed from their places of permanent deployment, a "full" degree announced?
Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

The German ambassador brought the paper in the 41st to the Kremlin when the Luftwaffe was already bombing Kiev. And the officers in the barracks position - so they also passed - "not to give in to provocations" ...

[Bagatur]

Yeah .... maybe Alaska will be swung ??? Dreams are free fun ...

[newcomer]

What are you talking about? I believe that it is better for everyone to Erdogan to come to his senses and listen to his generals, otherwise they will get over the ears. We will get another war with the Turks, of course we will defeat with great blood. After all, as usual in the Black Sea there will be a support group for the Turks from the west. But Turkey may simply disappear, this is what Erdogan should understand, given modern technology.

[Machito]

And if we throw up weapons to the Kurds in the same way that Turkey supplies Barmaleeva in Syria? Then Turkey will not be at all before the war.

[Bagatur]

If they close the strait .... nothing can be done! Strength will not help here, for Turkey - the United States. Without the delivery of the Syrian express, Assad and the entire Russian group in Syria will not be held for long!

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire

[kjhg]

Quote: Vladimir B.

Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire

This is YES, not a hat for Senka. I can’t even imagine how modern Turkey can regain the lands of the former Ottoman Empire? If it’s not even Russia, it’s definitely not beneficial for Israel, which means the United States and England. They will arrange for the sultan SUCH an economic crisis that Recep will gobble up their own hungry fellow citizens.

[Fedor egoist]

In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships

An attempt to stop any military convoy of the Russian Federation going through the strait automatically becomes a casus belli for our aircraft. Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this. But civilian ships may have problems with the passage of the Bosphorus.

[kjhg]

Quote: Fedor Egoist

Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this.

Oh oh Never say never! Already after all this story with stab in the back, do not get off with tomatoes, sponsor of terrorismthen again friend Recep, strategic partner, trojan horse in NATOand now again nedosultan, nuclear weapons and other nonsense, again to say that this will not happen, is very reckless. As history shows us, everything is possible, and sometimes even that which is not possible.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

Russia is being driven into a dead end. Not all cards are revealed. It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.

Well, if diplomatically.

Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees. For the whole 75 years no one has tried to conquer Russia, the army was not allowed on it.

However, for the whole 75 years they didn’t get too tough on the teeth so that they spill their teeth into underpants. Let them try, stretch themselves ...

[DenZ]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees.

I agree, I was sitting up. He wants action and thinking and remembering history at this time is somehow not a leisure time. But open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: DenZ

open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.

But didn’t they choke us?

Choked, choked, choked, choked ... (c)

And what's the use?
Yeprst, Trump has imposed so many sanctions that he himself does not remember how much. And when did we live without sanctions?
The information war? So they have been leading it since the time of Ivan the Terrible, if not earlier. We got used to their barking ... The dog barks, the caravan goes on.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

If only those who brewed everything, from Obama, Klintosh and to all sorts of rubbish of the "Western backstage", got even in the teeth with "calibers". They will shed the blood of ordinary guys no matter what nationality. The backstage will sit quietly and happily with champagne, and give you popcorn. Russia does not need war with anyone and anywhere. All centuries the war has hampered Russian development, and not only 75 years ago.

[Alexey from Perm]

In all cases, he has a better situation than ours

[Evdokim]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

Erdogan has zugzwang. Retreat yourselves eaten with giblets, not retreat - the holiday season is on the nose, and you need to trade tomatoes, you want S-400, etc. etc. So a poor little card scratches his turnips and thinks that at the next coup Vova will call ... Or not .... What to do ???

[Orel]

We have few trump cards, the situation is bad

[basmach]

They don’t want their fighters-Nehru to die, climb wherever they asked. Do not sit at home.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
There will stop the flow of tourists. Here in Cairo will be delighted ..

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

not yet, but close to that.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don’t really understand this, I don’t want to hit my chest with my heels, but I think that Turkey is best to be neutral in everything.

[cniza]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
.

While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...

[TatarinSSSR]

I agree. We must wait for official statements, and not some "media discussing".

[cniza]

Nobody has canceled the information war yet ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: cniza

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
.

While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...

Erdogan's advisor is far from Erdogan, and there was no "official paper" with the declaration of war. But here, in the next news

Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war

By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.

[cniza]

He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...

[kjhg]

Quote: cniza

He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...

This they can easily arrange. There, the Saudis killed their citizen Khashoggi and dismembered right at the embassy in Turkey. So that...

[New Year day]

Quote: cniza

em statements from officials ...

Zhirinovsky also speaks with us, and then comes true

[cniza]

Zhirinovsky is completely different, but here is clearly a provocation ...

[New Year day]

Quote: cniza

but here is clearly a provocation ...

I mean that. that sometimes through unofficial persons they say what the authorities themselves cannot say. I don’t think that some Turk got into the box and started broadcasting without Erdogan’s support

[cniza]

They say, but you can say different things, I mean the subtext ...

[dauria]

Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

This is crap from the Internet for the sake of views. "Someone, somewhere, somewhere said that they say Montreux will be blocked"
And the title to match "In Ankara Thinking ..." Who exactly? Drunk taxi driver or foreign minister brought an ultimatum?

[protoss]

ok military. but there, I remember, there was a point that non-military ships adapted for transporting fuel can be equated with military ones. and this is an economic blow to the Novorossiysk port.

[Prahlad]

Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona

[protoss]

I just want to say "isgreklibry".
all that can be done is to complain to the United Nations and 2/3 of the votes of the Security Council to lift the Turkish ban.

[private person]

Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona

Wow, how many interesting names you know. But what Turkish Turks are NATO members? NATO certainly will not go into open war, but will support its member in every way by inserting a stick into the wheels.

[Prahlad]

Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily. Yes, and NATO will not climb into the war because of the ambitions of the Sultan

[private person]

Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily.

How's the sofa you're sitting on right now? Campaign spring exacerbation, urgently on a bump in the clinic.

[Korax71]

Usually, such reports come from people who have seen the database either on a TV screen or a computer. Please specify, who are these "you" that NATO will destroy?

[Prahlad]

Yes, that's right, I'm a battlefield veteran where I destroy everyone

[Thrifty]

It was only Andrei Andreevich Gromyko who could put the Turks in place, promising that the Soviet navy would make a new strait on the site of Istanbul with one rocket zappa! And the Turks then forgot about the desire to close the straits for the USSR fleet. It is a pity that our fleet does not have the Gromyko missile cruiser!

[Vadim Zhivov]

This is when the Bosphorus should become a little wider?

[Incvizitor]

Having spilled from Turkey, and now in 15 minutes you can do it, but no one, only traders in power.

[prior]

Closing the straits will lead to their expansion .... and a change in nationality.

[TatarinSSSR]

Turkey is already openly massively destroying the Syrian tanks, artillery and other things to great depths from the front zone from Idlib. On Turkish television there is a live broadcast of strikes (UAV video) Everything is very serious. The Syrian army suffers very large losses. Now the situation is even more dangerous than when the Turks shot down our SU-24 and killed the pilot.

[Nastia makarova]

let them knead each other

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

All of this can end badly. At least for our group in Syria. For without supply, the supply will deteriorate sharply. Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.

[DenZ]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.

Very likely. It is unlikely that this will come to Turkey and Syria.

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

Let the straits, even a nuclear war, but not tomatoes!
Thank C400, we will pay extra for gas, we will build a nuclear power plant on loan as much as we like - all for the sake of tomatoes!

[Vadim Zhivov]

Respected! You didn’t hit your head hard today? Less from me .. Not funny ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: VadimLives

Dear!

As you, however, Vadim, respectfully with a computer program ...

[Nychego]

A normal check of the strength of the eggs of the Russian leadership.
Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.

I will not rush into assumptions - the range of possibilities is still wide, although, naturally, with every real action (not a threat, but an action) it narrows quite significantly.

[God save the king]

Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.

The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.

[Dude]

Quote: God save the King

Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.

The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.

Why would it be the evacuation of something ?! On the contrary, promotion to the Mediterranean theater.

[Vadim Zhivov]

Hey tow truck Theophan! Sites are not messed up by accident? Does the pan not shake?

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

So we can block tourists and tomatoes, it seems financial problems in Turkey?

[Livonetc]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

Trying to work on two fronts., Or even more fronts.
At the Libyan theater, while losing drones.
“The Turkish army has lost three large unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in Syria and Libya in the past 48 hours. The first drone was shot down on Tuesday, February 25, over southern Idlib. A few hours later, units of the Libyan National Army (LNA) under the command of Marshal Khalifa Haftar announced the destruction of a Turkish drone that flew from Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli. The LNA later published a video of the UAV crash site.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/02/27/haftar-postavil-erdogana-na-koleni-turciya-poteryala-za-dva-dnya-tri-drona?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

Actually, this is a strong spit in the direction of Russia, this is complete disrespect and non-recognition of the authority of Russia, such matters are fraught with consequences for Russia itself.
I would understand the situation if the SAA declares war, the jihad of Turkey, and for Erdogad it would be a matter of honor to defend the homeland.
But when they enter a foreign country, on far-fetched pretexts, in order to seize territories, establish their influence and will, despite the fact that there is already a strong player who himself decided to eat a local pie, this means that the Turks do not recognize the strength and power of Russia they don’t care what the Russians have tasks there, their Wishlist is important to them and they will get what they want.
You can throw me hats or in our case minuses, but I think that without a tough answer, this should not be left.

[Alexey from Perm]

there is almost nothing to answer, but no, let's not go to them! Option 2, we will not buy tomatoes))

[TatarinSSSR]

without a tough answer, this should not be left.

The fact is that apart from economic levers, Russia has nothing more to do than give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists".

[Dude]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

without a tough answer, this should not be left.

The fact is that apart from economic levers, Russia has nothing more to do than give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists".

Tourists and tomatoes, the Turks will survive. Unpleasant, but no more. But Russia's reputation, military and geopolitical risks are extremely high. Let’s retreat - sit in front of the whole world in a puddle. On the other hand, what the escalation could lead to is unknown. Not zugzwang, of course, but the position is complicated.

[My_log_in]

Did he really clean everything up so well that he no longer feared a new coup attempt?

[V1er]

And why aren't they sitting there? And I will say why, under the hood, the US and NATO feel their impunity. One on one Turkey would never go against Russia. We need to take into account this creeping snake policy of the countries of the new axis.

[Tank hard]

The rich have their own quirks ...

[Alexey from Perm]

Yura Shvytkin, you think in case it comes to blocking the strait.

[Laksamana besar]

No panic, everything is calm in the straits.

SEVASTOPOL, February 28. / TASS /. The frigates "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" of the Black Sea Fleet (Black Sea Fleet) pass the Bosporus and Dardanelles on their way to the Mediterranean Sea, where the Black Sea Fleet ship of this series, the Admiral Essen, is already located, the Black Sea Fleet Information Support Department reported.

[TatarinSSSR]

Bon voyage to our sailors! May God grant them seven feet under the keel and a speedy return to their native marinas safe and sound!

[serzh.kost]

"Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" pass the straits

[God save the king]

Just a perfect illustration of the REAL combat value of the Black Sea Fleet, as such.
Either flee north before the straits are closed, or it is useless to rot in the port - that’s his whole lot.
The same applies to BF.

[Nastia makarova]

6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))

[Dude]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))

In your dreams, Gauges, of course, with special warheads must be applied)?

[Nastia makarova]

not in dreams but in case of war, but without war, freely pass from the black and the Baltic

[Ross xnumx]

According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger", then it can decide to close the straits.

Did Turkey read the text of the military doctrine of the Russian Federation? In that part, if someone suddenly dares to prevent Russia from possessing sovereignty, statehood, and other attributes of a free country, can the issue of whether the straits belong to anyone be resolved in a very simple and cardinal way - the formation of a new Byzantine state and the restoration of Constantinople?
Simple such "bitter" Turkish guys ... Here, just recently, one "filly" tried to show its zeal and arrogance. They pretended that the cinch burst, and the fleet is still in the American registries.
It may become, and Erdogan on this earth is not eternal ...

[HAM]

Nobody canceled the interest of the Yankers. If they decided to bang Erdogan, they bang ... only now Erdogan himself is pouring water into the American mill and therefore they need him... as soon as there are signs of reconciliation, wait for either protests in Turkey or a military coup in general ... In my opinion, Erdogan still hit the Yankees on a kukan ..

[askort154]

This right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger", then it can decide to close the straits.

Turkey alone cannot close. She must apply to the UN Security Council
with evidence of threats. UN Security Council - approves if 2/3 of the votes are "For".
Any country of the permanent members of the UN Security Council (there are five of them - Russia, China, USA, England, France) may block the decision. So says the Montreux Convection of 1936.

[astepanov]

Just like that, in the convention of 36 years, it is written: is the UN Security Council deciding? Are you confusing anything?

[askort154]

astepanov ....Rightly so in the convention of 36 years and it is written: the decision is made by the UN Security Council? Are you confusing anything?

For this, the Montreux Convection of 1936 was adopted so that not a single state rules the Bosphorus, since the Black Sea basin includes 4 more states - the USSR (Russia), Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria. For this and regulated the rules. In 1993, this Convention was prolonged.
So, the cries of Turkish politicians - to close the strait, a pure bluff to the public.

[g1washntwn]

It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.

[askort154]

1washntwn ....It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.

The passage of warships is also regulated by the Convention. The passage of warships of non-Black Sea basin countries is limited by a stay of 21 days and a total displacement of not more than 30 thousand tons. and it doesn’t matter whose ships are NATO, USA or China, etc.)

[g1washntwn]

You describe peacetime. Read articles 20-21 of the Convention where Turkey recognizes itself as a belligerent. "... at your discretion"

[astepanov]

As it was sung in an old student song, "Love has passed, tomatoes have withered."

[jeka424]

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/20202281122-r1Syx.html

[shoroh]

Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, then they will receive from the cabins from the heart, and no gas pipelines and nuclear power plants will save Erdogan. Does anyone doubt Russia's military response? Georgia, Ukraine also thought so. All this talk about the second army in NATO, this is all before the first serious clash. It’s one thing to fight the Kurds, and it’s another thing to catch missiles at all your strategic sites. The Turkish General Staff must understand that the United States will not rush to save them.

[TatarinSSSR]

When the Turks shot down the Russian SU-24, a pilot and a special forces soldier died - was Russia’s military response? Where did you get such confidence?

[Dude]

Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, they will receive

And if the Turks will not "attack наших military "? Is it just that they will break the SAR from the heart and establish their protectorate over Idlib? Well, and out of the blue, will they walk, in general, at all the objects on the territory of Syria, which they consider necessary, and which they can reach?
What kind then will be our actions? Honestly, I don’t see a wide range of effective and real countermeasures in this situation. But our reputational costs can be impressive.

[Last centurion]

and the presidential palace of the new padishah and Incirlik in the radius of calibers? if yes, then all the rules and this is a plus minus the sewerage

[Lekxnumx]

The Turkish Defense Minister said: "Despite the fact that the location of our military was coordinated with the Russian side. An air attack was organized on our military, despite the warning, our forces were again attacked. During these air attacks, even ambulances were under attack. During the air attack around our military, there were no groups of anti-Assad forces. After the treacherous attack, immediately our aviation, UAVs and ground forces destroyed 200 targets of the Assad regime. As a result, destroyed 5 helicopters, 23 tanks, 10 BMPs, 23 artillery units of various calibers, 5 trucks with ammunition, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M1, headquarters and several warehouses with weapons and provisions and 309 regime soldiers. The strikes will continue, the blood of the martyrs will not remain unrevenged. "

[Tank hard]

Quote: Lek3338

, the blood of martyrs will not remain unaffected "

And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs?

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Tank Hard

And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs?

The Turks who died for their homeland a priori shahids, I have no question, I just quoted. To hell with these minuses do not care about them, but just wondering why the minus? In gratitude, what did Akara quickly translate? and filled the information gap on the opposite side? If someone shares quotes with information, this is a quote, not his personal opinion. But who can you explain to VO here? The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote, madhouse in a word

Quote: serzh.kost

Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Lek3338

The Turks killed for the homeland a priori shahids

Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks ...

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Tank Hard

Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks

For the Turkic motherland, a loose concept, especially a Turk with an imperial past. However, as for the Russian, whose father arrived 60 years ago (for example), Kamchatka and is already outraged by the visitors))) In this you are similar to the Turks.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Lek3338

but just wondering why are they mincing?

Quote: Lek3338

The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote

It’s just that you often flicker in comments about Azerbaijan and Turkey, what did you expect?

[Lekxnumx]

It’s very rare about Turkey, very often about Azerbaijan because it’s a citizen. Turkey is not interesting to me at all, I don’t like Turks basically. There is a lot of pathos, but I comment solely on military interest. How is going on and who will defeat Assad, the Russian Federation and Turkey in general I don’t care. But the military is interested in various maneuvers and the reliability of the information. I drop it and wait for a refutation or confirmation then draw conclusions. My conclusions on military issues, the war is a spectacular thing, I’ll tell you, no matter how cynical it sounds.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Lek3338

often about Azerbaijan for a citizen.

Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).

Quote: Lek3338

, I do not like the Turks at the heart of. Paphos a lot

I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples.

Quote: Lek3338

War is a spectacular thing. I’ll tell you, however cynical.

It depends on what you think for the war and for the entertainment. He survived the "Osh events", "Batken events", "Tulip revolution of 2005". I did not like. However, each - his own.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Tank Hard

Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).

Yes, the Turk himself is for me, this is not a synonym for Turk. Culturally, yes, and there isn’t anthropologically since, genetically, only 11% is a maximum of 20 in Turkey and in Az-ne.

Quote: Tank Hard

I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples.

Unambiguously rightly believe, rather the fathers of the Turks are Kyrgyz than vice versa

Quote: Tank Hard

It depends on what you think for the war and for the entertainment. He survived the "Osh events", "Batken events", "Tulip revolution of 2005". I did not like. However, everyone has their own

I am sorry, I, too, am not a supporter of ethnic hatred, but war is war. If it started late to drink Borjomi, I’m not a party to this conflict specifically.

[astepanov]

That's for sure, madhouse. It doesn’t matter if the author of the post voices his point of view or gives a quote for information, but the only important thing is whether the text came to the taste of the reader. If tomorrow someone writes about bad weather, then they will blame us despite the fact that this is a quote from the official forecast, and the author is not at fault for the crappy weather.

[serzh.kost]

Quote: Lek3338

200 goals of the Assad regime. As a result, 5 helicopters, 23 tanks, 10 BMPs, 23 artillery pieces of various calibers, 5 ammunition trucks, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M1, a headquarters, and several weapons and provisions stores and 309 regime soldiers were destroyed

Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...

[Karaul14]

Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they will almost be friends against America, they bought the S-400, etc. In fact, in the truce itself, insoluble contradictions were created that were supposed to lead to escalation, and the Americans knew this very well, because they very skillfully conduct their policies and calculate ahead, not only the Russian authorities - even Belarus and they managed to set themselves against themselves. You can portray Putin as much as you want on a chessboard that beats everyone in geopolitics; fantasies from that will not become reality.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Karaul14

Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they are almost friends

IMHO, the final, but never Turkey will not be a friend of Russia, like Iran, however.

[TatarinSSSR]

I do not like liberoids and everything ..... for sure, but in your words there is some truth, both about Turkey and about Belarus. To my great regret. Now there is a huge miscalculation of Russian strategists, analysts and advisers about Erdogan and Turkey itself, its army. Russia has now driven itself into a very poor position.

[Air force]

The Straits is understandable, a serious matter, but the refusal to deploy the S400, if you honestly did not understand what the threat to Russia is, except as a demonstrative protest. Or is it a hint that we will not deploy the S400, by the way, this is exactly what NATO partners are asking us about, you never know what they will ask us about with regards to the S400. But this is also stupid for me. In the meantime, the Turkish media are pumping up "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" with Calibers passing the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, at least so the Russian media write, there will probably be a mess for the weekend.

[Sergst]

Quote: Zoldat_A

By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.

By the way, they announced the ambassador and handed over a note declaring war

[Amateur]

Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.

The media can write whatever they want. On this they and the media. Someone was going to wash their boots in the Indian Ocean, UkroSMI is already taking away the Kremlin tomorrow, but what is sometimes written on the fences is generally "HORROR".
Well, close the straits for warships

If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority that the measures taken by Turkey in this way are not justified and if the opinion of the majority of the High Contracting Parties to this Convention is the same, the Turkish Government will cancel these measures, as well as those would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention.

Turks can only with UN permission

[ochakow703]

No, well, straight rams to the new gate. They have already been clearly explained to them where their place is, and how soon they need to get out, so no, they are still trying to build intrigues ... Why are they all so stupid then ???

[Jarserge]

Erdogan almost like Hitler entered the war in several directions in Idlib, in Rojava, in Iraq and in Libya. Despite the fact that he has unresolved issues with the army, after a failed conspiracy, there is tension with popularity, and even ambiguous relations with NATO countries. I don’t even know which fortel he can throw

[behappy]

The Russian Federation has no fewer, and even more serious challenges. Many are waiting for all directions (conflict) in the Russian Federation to blaze with a red flame. And such directions in the Russian Federation have done itself for the last gold just a dime a dozen. And then the question of who will pull is not even a question. And Yes - Turkey is a member of NATO, whatever the relationship. But NATO seems to have complied with its agreements no matter what. But in Russia, in compliance with the agreements, the reputation in the world is tarnished (no matter who says it).
GDP wasted in vain in Syria. I would solve my internal issues. Syria for ordinary Russian families / soldiers / mothers is an empty, unnecessary place. But when the 200s go in packs, the question is: what popularity is guaranteed by GDP, since you care so much about Erdogan’s popularity ?! I think that now the GDP is already not what it was, but soon it will not be left (well, not everyone in Russia agrees to tear ass for Assad, doesn’t it ?! I understand for my country, but for Syria? Why? )

[Jarserge]

Sorry, but I do not agree with you. Almost all of your allegations are unfounded, especially with regard to Russia. So the stream of consciousness. You have no idea what you're talking about. Understand first questions

[1536]

It seems that the Turks are starting to go wild.

[behappy]

Quote: newbie

In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

Erdogan is just next door, worthy of the sun and logistics on his side. And is Erdogan driving himself into a dead end? As you can see, this GDP is now at an impasse, no matter how you say or shout

[Andrey the Magnificent]

USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko - instead of the Bosphorus, we can build two more straits, only Istanbul, unfortunately, will not
That was the answer, they lost such a country ...

[bar]

Ankara may postpone deployment of Russian S-400 air defense system

That scared so scared
Sultan from anger has ceased to be afraid of the next Gulen coup with the support of the striped, in the case of which he bought these S-400? Hike his roof seriously rides.

[spectr]

The Turks are beginning to practically openly violate international agreements. I wonder if the "Pandora's box" has already opened or is just opening?
Now an interesting picture is looming. Turkey crushes Syria under itself, and if you remember that Iraq was once a part of the Ottoman Empire, then the neighbors can begin to get nervous looking at this power takeover. After all, they also have Kurds that prevent the Turks from living.
As I understand it, if the Turks overdo it, then the Russian Federation may receive a second channel for the supply of military equipment and ammunition — the land one. True, how safe is it.

[Zaurbek]

What to expect ....

[Incvizitor]

If they begin to attack massively on our troops, nuclear weapons must be used (it is possible to warn about this in advance and all tourists must be taken out), all these synovas must be put in place, without losses on our part, they must understand that they exist thanks to the patience of our "powers that be." but everything has its own trait.

[Incvizitor]

* Warn. - I got an error from the phone.

[30143]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Quote: _Ugene_

but more interesting is what should we do

Good question. There is no obvious answer, except: "Zhahnem!"
Because after "Zhahnem" the following question arises: What's next?
Let's hope for a tricky plan ..

What is the plan? All according to circumstances! As with the Crimea.
First get involved in a fight, and then think about how to get out of hhvna. Moreover, no one says that then they will have to rake more than one year.
And if the Turks refuse gas? To spite! They can. Who will cover the losses? I get the impression that Putin is tying a knot so that later no one can resolve ... And then the whole country will ask the GDP, as a savior, so that he remains for another ten years?
Please note that this aggravation coincided with constitutional restructuring.
Yes, pay attention to what gevolt has risen in VO. Everyone wants to fight? Alien hands? Or how? Ah, yes, we’ll give a whiff of a vigorous bomb ... just go with your brains?
... we all drink, but the fleet is not a disgrace?

[parkello]

Turks can and will close as soon as they decide. it has long been known, but when exactly, now it has become clear. the one who told us about everything for 20 years no longer lives in this world ... but his words are only now beginning to appear in action. if the Turks remembered covenant, it means they will take advantage of its agreements regardless of the conditions of the war in Idlib province. the province is an excuse .. and the reason lies in the inm. so that the Turks will block the straits. be ready for this.

[The Expendables]

In Ankara, thought about closing

Better not to think about it .. And remember the words of Kosygin about the second strait))))

[AB]

The Turks are a nation of traders and that’s it ...

[-ш-]

so you can close the access to swim after the strait in the Black Sea)

[NordUral]

Gromyko calmly answered, only two volleys, and besides the Bosphorus there will be straits, though I’m not sure that Istanbul will remain!

Источник: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/smarttatar/kak-turciia-pytalas-zakryt-bosfor-dlia-sovetskih-korablei-i-kak-sssr-v-dve-sekundy-reshil-etot-vopros-5e5898022a7320592b6f7a0b
It is only a pity that we are no longer the USSR or even the RSFR.

[Avior]

Yandex Zen is a strong source
Do you know a serious one? I wonder where this story came from ...

[NordUral]

I agree, Sergey, I myself do not like him, a slanderous channel. And about Toggo, what Gromyko said, I doubt it. And he brought it only because it’s a place.

[75 Sergey]

Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

To this statement, Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that for a passage to the Mediterranean, the USSR Black Sea Fleet would need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR.

[Avior]

This story has been cited several times on the branch, but no one cites the source
Very much like a bike
In the late 70s, Turkey was a member of NATO, and such a statement by Gromyko, especially the Americans, would cause a great scandal and noise, but there was nothing like that.
And I don’t remember trying to block the Bosphorus in the late 70s and I couldn’t find confirmation anywhere.
Moreover, it would be very strange to hear from Gromyko, the wrong person was, did not suffer from pathos, and was, by the way, one of the initiators of the signing of the Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear War (1973) and the 1975 Helsinki Act, and indeed words did not rush, and even so.
This story appeared on the Internet in large quantities in 2015, and where it came from is not clear.
Maybe you know the link to the source of this story?

[75 Sergey]

Then they put a horseradish on NATO.

[Avior]

I served in the 80s
They took very seriously and without hatred
My opponent, Turkey and Greece, heard at every second conversation a political leader, and no one considered the war with them a trifling matter, as you can read now in the comments

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Quote: shoroh

Georgia, Ukraine also thought so.

> Ukraine

Ah, so did the APU attack our Crimea in the 14th? Very interesting.

[75 Sergey]

Crimea was illegally acquired by Ukraine, the transfer agreement was not ratified.

[lvov_aleksey]

all this is already outdated, we walk and they do not bother us.
ps
https://topwar.ru/168445-rossija-napravila-v-sredizemnoe-more-srazu-dva-fregata-proekta-11356.html
https://topwar.ru/168471-bdk-orsk-chf-prosledoval-cherez-prolivy-v-sredizemnoe-more.html