In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships


Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.


According to recent Turkish publications, Ankara is considering the option of closing the straits for Russian warships. Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

The second response to the complication of the situation in Idlib could be the delay by the Turkish side of the deployment of the Russian anti-aircraft system S-400, scheduled for April this year.

The Russian State Duma on this occasion expressed the hope that Turkey would not go to extreme measures and would not block the straits for Russian ships.

I think that Turkey now needs to refrain from aggressive plans, from various military actions and military rhetoric regarding our state or any other state (...). It is possible that there will be some kind of barrage in the Bosphorus, but it will not reach extreme measures

- said the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Yuri Shvytkin.

Earlier, Ankara accused Russia of striking Turkish soldiers, which led to the death of 33 military.
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  1. newcomer 28 February 2020 12: 24 New
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    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.
    1. dorz 28 February 2020 12: 28 New
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      thought about closing the Black Sea straits ...

      This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose. sad
      1. protoss 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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        so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.
        1. letinant 28 February 2020 12: 57 New
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          Quote: protoss
          so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

          Read carefully articles 20 and 21.
          Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "threatened with immediate military danger"

          Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current). At the same time, Turkey refuses to withdraw its troops voluntarily (it was asked) and prevents it from fighting terrorists. If this is an attack on Turkey, then this is a complete AUT.
          1. Avior 28 February 2020 14: 58 New
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            I think not so easy
            . if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger"

            A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
            Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.
            1. letinant 28 February 2020 15: 15 New
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              Quote: Avior
              I think not so easy
              . if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger"

              A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
              Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.


              What nafig broad interpretation !? Turkey is threatened by an immediate military THREAT. TURKEY, CARL, TURKEY AND NOT HER ARMY WHICH IS LOCATED BETWEEN OTHER THROUGH THE TERRITORY OF YOUR COUNTRY !!! Then we will calmly bring troops into the territory of Turkey and when they attack us, we will say "Oh, you are threatening us, then you have a furry animal." Where is the logic!? AUUU !!!
              1. Russobel 28 February 2020 15: 23 New
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                Finally young man!
                Soak in the toilets, stop them already mocking us ...
              2. Guillon 28 February 2020 16: 10 New
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                Once such a booze has gone - cut the last cucumber! We need to conduct our profitable policies and not be in the wake of someone! soldier
          2. BVS
            BVS 28 February 2020 16: 54 New
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            And where did you see the words "to the territory"?
            1. sabakina 28 February 2020 20: 38 New
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              Quote: bvs
              Turkey considers itself "at risk of immediate military danger"
              BVS (Victor), the keyword is "immediate". And then, is Turkey a territory or an incorporeal spirit?
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                BVS 29 February 2020 05: 54 New
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                "the word" immediate "." - has a lot of investments, and not necessarily "territory". It seems drawn to me.
          3. max702 29 February 2020 17: 00 New
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            Quote: letinant
            Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current).

            Well so the whole question of WHO will solve this .. After the case of Skripal and SP-2, absolutely anything is possible, in any interpretation of any delirium .. The only question is how can we defend our interests and how to strengthen our position .. Recently we decided that in connection with the difficult situation, 404th Russia should pay 2.9bn and paid as pretty .. So is there enough for our bureaucrats to push the corns of the "partners" or again with a bow that please? Oh, I don’t know .. the bourgeoisie do not care what the Turkish troops are on foreign territory, it is important that these troops do exactly what the bourgeoisie needs, and therefore support is guaranteed! The question is how much of it .. Sanctions will cost or military assistance will be provided, and again, OURS what will be done in case of hard pressure ....
        2. Olgovich 28 February 2020 13: 12 New
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          Quote: protoss
          ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

          Idlib is NOT Turkey.
          nobody attacks and threatens herself
          1. Vol4ara 28 February 2020 15: 15 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: protoss
            ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

            Idlib is NOT Turkey.
            nobody attacks and threatens herself

            This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.
            1. letinant 29 February 2020 02: 00 New
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              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: protoss
              ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

              Idlib is NOT Turkey.
              nobody attacks and threatens herself

              This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.


              If they do this with the wording, "because of Idlib," this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! The 5th article of NATO does not apply in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, Iran and the Kurds will definitely spoil Turkey. think Erdogan, their entire economy flies in tartarara. Closed shipping and air connections, the tourism business, their food, they will rafting to whom? If even now they ask to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may prohibit passage for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

              Personally, I join the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."
              1. Vol4ara 29 February 2020 02: 07 New
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                Quote: letinant
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: protoss
                ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

                Idlib is NOT Turkey.
                nobody attacks and threatens herself

                This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.


                If they do this with the wording, "because of Idlib," this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! The 5th article of NATO does not apply in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, Iran and the Kurds will definitely spoil Turkey. think Erdogan, their entire economy flies in tartarara. Closed shipping and air connections, the tourism business, their food, they will rafting to whom? If even now they ask to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may prohibit passage for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

                Personally, I join the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."

                Forget about the words that sound in the Soviet Union, we are zilch in comparison with its power and titanium eggs of its leaders.

                And they will not say that it is because of Idlib, and then this is not a direct declaration of war. The West may not directly fit into the conflict, but Turkey will be healthy with weapons and money.
                Kurds will not win the Turks for sure, but together with the Turks, Assad can be destroyed and they can already organize their own state in Syria. So that Wishlist need a little podzakoto. Here we are Syria and Turkey against us behind whose back the whole west and the states
          2. protoss 28 February 2020 16: 54 New
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            according to this version, hmeimim is not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.
            1. Olgovich 1 March 2020 08: 38 New
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              Quote: protoss
              by this version and hmeimim not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.

              according to your version, horseradish and carrot are one and the same.
              But it is not
        3. Rostislav 28 February 2020 15: 18 New
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          Under the Convention, Turkey has the right to close the straits if it is one of the parties to the military conflict, i.e. Turks need to officially declare war on Russia, then they can close the straits. If they simply close the straits in silence, it will be regarded as a declaration of war.
          1. Romka47 28 February 2020 15: 39 New
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            I agree with you, and if Turkey declare war on Syria, can it close the straits to the allies of Syria? (I'm just interested, not good at this)
          2. A.TOR 28 February 2020 16: 30 New
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            Turkey may declare war on Syria. It's enough
      2. newcomer 28 February 2020 12: 34 New
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        I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 28 February 2020 12: 50 New
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          I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.


          Look at the map - you can transport cargo to the Syria from the Baltic Sea and the Far East via Gibraltar or the Suez Canal. Yes, further and longer, but the blocking of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles will not block our base in Syria and the supply by sea will continue.
          1. Machito 28 February 2020 12: 53 New
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            Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.
            1. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 43 New
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              Quote: Bearded
              Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.

              when?
              1. Machito 28 February 2020 13: 44 New
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                To begin with Oleg Prophetic?
                1. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 53 New
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                  Quote: Bearded
                  To begin with Oleg Prophetic?

                  preferably closer. "In the carriage of the past you will not go far"
                  1. Machito 28 February 2020 13: 56 New
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                    I do not want to argue with you. I read your comments with interest.
                    Yesterday is the past.
                    1. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 57 New
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                      Quote: Bearded
                      I do not want to argue with you.

                      so I don’t argue, I just want to know hi
                      1. Machito 28 February 2020 14: 02 New
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                        Strait mining in WWI, for example.
                      2. New Year day 28 February 2020 14: 05 New
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                        Quote: Bearded
                        Strait mining in WWI, for example.

                        got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction
                      3. Machito 28 February 2020 14: 10 New
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                        Obstruction can be obtained, but the veto is with us, not with Turkey. As recent experience has shown, Turkey is very dependent on the Russian Federation, and not vice versa. It is still no one has supplied weapons to the Syrian Kurds from Tartus. The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries, but a very welcome dream of our partners.
                      4. New Year day 28 February 2020 14: 15 New
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                        Quote: Bearded
                        but the veto is ours, not Turkey.

                        I doubt that the overlap of the Bosphorus will appeal to everyone in the world.
                        Article 109 of the UN Charter
                        With a view to revising this Charter, a General Conference of the Members of the United Nations may be convened at a time and place to be determined by two-thirds of the votes of the members of the General Assembly and by the votes of any nine members of the Security Council.
                        Do you think they will support us?
                        Quote: Bearded
                        The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries

                        nevertheless, she is and her story - centuries
                      5. Machito 28 February 2020 14: 23 New
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                        The UN is already breathing. Russia's obstruction could lead to the collapse of the UN and global chaos. It’s easier to merge Turkey than to butt with Russia.
                      6. New Year day 28 February 2020 15: 05 New
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                        Quote: Bearded

                        The UN is already breathing.

                        Nevertheless, Russia uses the veto right in the UN Security Council and is unlikely to refuse it. The dream of the States to deprive the Russian Federation of this right. the blockade of the Bosphorus is just that case
                      7. Machito 28 February 2020 17: 02 New
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                        To deprive Russia of the veto, it will have to be expelled from the UN. The expulsion from the UN of 1/7 of the land will turn it from a world organization into a regional one, and will disrupt the entire post-war world structure. And then what? Third World and New United League of Nations? Will China want to deprive Russia of the veto? Hardly.
                      8. New Year day 28 February 2020 17: 14 New
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                        Quote: Bearded
                        she will have to be expelled from the UN.

                        not at all. I brought you an article of the UN Charter above
                      9. Machito 28 February 2020 17: 34 New
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                        How does Russia react if two-thirds of the participating countries want to change the UN Charter and strip it of its veto?
                        We have already been stripped of our votes in the Council of Europe. Russia is likely to suspend its membership in the UN. The same stinger, only in profile.
          2. orionvitt 28 February 2020 14: 24 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            What will the UN say?

            The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail. In any case, in the event of a conflict between Turkey and Russia, Turkey will lose much more. In addition, in Turkey itself, Erdogan’s affairs are not very political.
          3. New Year day 28 February 2020 15: 06 New
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            Quote: orionvitt
            The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail.


            it's you in vain. And Russia values ​​its place in the Security Council
          4. orionvitt 28 February 2020 15: 15 New
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            There are two structures, the UN assembly and the UN Security Council. The first is useless (especially recently), but all the main problems are solved just in the second. The first one has long been able to hammer a bolt. However, the second too. The remaining members of the Security Council spit on the opinion of Russia.
      3. Sotskiy 28 February 2020 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Silvestr

        got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction

        From an article on the internet: "At the end of the 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union. Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreyevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) said this statement at a White House cocktail for American journalists that the Soviet Black Sea Fleet would need only a couple of salvos of missiles to go through the Mediterranean Sea, and as a result, besides the Bosphorus, there would be two more passes in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there wouldn’t be Istanbul. I never raised the issue of the closure of the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR. " hi
      4. Rusticolus 29 February 2020 16: 16 New
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        But there is another option besides mining. You can start training exercises at the exit from the Bosphorus since the Black Sea Fleet still has nowhere to swim. Necessarily with rocket firing the closure of the water area and all that. Duration longer. And all under international law. And the fact that it will become uncomfortable for someone to swim there is their problem. At the same time, it will be possible to keep an eye on freedom of navigation, and if in Turkey there is a war, then you never know who and what can happen in the Bosphorus, a tanker there accidentally dives.
  2. sabakina 28 February 2020 20: 44 New
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    Sylvester, tomorrow is today, but only tomorrow. wink
  • newcomer 28 February 2020 13: 01 New
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    I’ve seen enough on the map at school, but it’s like that. It is possible this way and that, delivery time. Critical will have to be through the air, which is fraught to be accompanied. With a massive, accentuated strike on our bases in Syria, we will have losses, God forbid. The issue is not in the provision itself, but in what would the initiative be seized. Work ahead of the curve. Constantly responding to provocations_ we work with the second number. We can have big problems.
    1. gohomeyanki 28 February 2020 16: 12 New
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      attack on the base of Russia, this is military aggression against Russia actually.
      for some reason, in these in your and similar comments, something like this:
      * Turkey blocks the straits, but Russia does not block or block it, because Turkish trade will suffer, and this is not comme il faut.
      * Turkey attacks planes, the base of the Russian Federation (actually the base in Syria, this is a piece of Syria, which is officially Russian)

      and it does it because of tararampararam, it’s afraid of NATO ....... hmm.
      Responding constantly to provocations is WHAT ?? For provocations just do not answer yet. The Turks beat the Syrians, hiding behind their bases and flags ... it is ugly, unfairly looks in my opinion, there is no justice or something ...
  • behappy 28 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    Yes, yes, with DV just carry super! one or two - and they’ve already brought everything))
  • Zhelezyakin 28 February 2020 14: 04 New
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    The key two points are time and cost. Agree through the World Cup, much more profitable. With the same success, you can buy on the spot (if someone sells).
    1. Romka47 28 February 2020 15: 44 New
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      It’s easy to sell, there’s just an assortment ... not that meager, not the latest models. Although the question of money (as always) would be a lot of dough, the police would have sold us something, or even PMCs got their banners under our banner, but with money we are even worse than with that strait.
      1. Zhelezyakin 28 February 2020 15: 46 New
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        I mean, to buy some goods on the spot would be clearly cheaper than to drive them by sea from the Baltic Sea or even more so from the Far East!
        1. Romka47 28 February 2020 16: 32 New
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          I understood you, well, in all seriousness, the BK nomenclature for tanks and artillery, and in theory the MLRS can also be bought and obtained on the spot, food and some other equipment, maybe air bombs, are out of the question. Well, about the cartridges for the shooter, RPGs without any problems. But then again, what volume would be required in the event of an alleged war?
  • shahor 29 February 2020 19: 02 New
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    to Syria by sea can also be from the Baltic

    And do not remind who controls Gibraltar? Is the passage through Suez free and free? For the Syrian express, we bought Turkish rusty barges. Now we will buy junks from the Chinese?
  • Piramidon 28 February 2020 14: 01 New
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    The Turks on the Black Sea coast have bases. The straits do not interfere with striking them.
  • Keyser soze 28 February 2020 12: 57 New
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    This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose.


    Yes, only the Turks say. They are shy, they will not get into a fight. Here is a story from a close past:

    It was 1982, and the Bulgarian government adopted a program to rename the names of Bulgarian Turks, from Turkish to Bulgarian. And then they kicked out half a million to Turkey ...

    So, in 1984, they went wild in Ankara, began to scare us, cried at the UN, and wherever .... they put the Turkish army on alert .... and received the mobilized Bulgarian army at 24 hours at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

    And with you they won’t climb at all - it can be very painful there, even up to the emergence of the southern Constantinople military district. There, the Crimea will be completely behind you .. laughing
    1. Serwid 28 February 2020 13: 03 New
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      and at 24 hours they received a mobilized Bulgarian army at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

      So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.
      1. g1washntwn 28 February 2020 13: 27 New
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        So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.

        Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952. But then NATO also said "themselves ... themselves ... themselves ..." and the plans turned around sharply. Just someone made a false start. Doesn’t it remind you of any situation?
  • knn54 28 February 2020 13: 12 New
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    "Turkey has the right to close the Bosphorus only in case of an official declaration of war, and even then only for the passage of warships, only at night and in a situation where Turkey itself is a belligerent in relation to countries whose ships and vessels intend to pass through the straits" ...
    PS "For the passage to the Mediterranean, the Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of volleys of missiles, as a result of which, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passes will appear, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul."
    USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko.
    1. Varyag71 28 February 2020 13: 13 New
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      Now is not the USSR
    2. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Quote: knn54
      USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko

      so it is LOUD! And now Lavrov
      1. Looking for 28 February 2020 22: 49 New
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        I would rephrase a little, then the USSR. And now, Russia.
    3. behappy 28 February 2020 14: 01 New
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      For Gromyko was the entire USSR with its Armed Forces and Navy. Today, the Russian Federation is not even a distant reminder of the USSR, but quite the opposite in terms of both the Armed Forces and the Navy, the economy, and the political situation in the world (i.e., at least without the Warsaw Pact countries). No, Gromyko’s “big words” are history, today (and even earlier) scarecrow horror stories should be supported not only by the amount of weapons the country has, but also by the economy (and whether the country can continue and for how long). But this is not and is not observed on the horizon of the Russian Federation.
    4. Avior 28 February 2020 15: 02 New
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      I don’t know where this quote comes from, but the convention says completely different
  • _Ugene_ 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    he has been persistently doing this lately, why it’s not clear, but it’s more interesting what to do, and it’s bad to fight the Turks and not to fight, if they go to aggravation, it’s bad, but it’s probably worse to retreat
    1. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      but more interesting is what should we do

      Good question. The obvious answer is not visible, except: "Wail!"
      Because after the “Swallow” the following question arises: What next?
      Let's hope for a tricky plan ..
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 28 February 2020 12: 56 New
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      I wonder what we do with the Turks


      According to the situation, they decide whether they want war - they get it, while Russia always stands for a peaceful solution to complex issues.

      Turkey must leave Syria for good or bad.
    3. Gxash 28 February 2020 13: 01 New
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      As Putin said: "If a fight is inevitable - hit first."
      1. Charik 28 February 2020 16: 24 New
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        yes he said a lot of things
  • Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    Nothing like a plane - will cost. Gets a warm nose in the palm of GDP - and they will forgive him ... That's what the calculation is for. He doesn’t even have politics - trade in its purest form. How he sells melons - "buy - you can’t buy", "expensive - not expensive."

    Eastern Bazaar - it is the bazaar.
    1. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 32 New
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      Unfortunately, this is not understood in another way - the East.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 28 February 2020 12: 53 New
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      Nothing like a plane - will cost.


      It wasn’t worth it - dozens of killed Turkish soldiers, and they were killed in Syria, where no one called Turkey.

      And the introduction of armed forces into the territory of another state is an armed invasion, a war.

      Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.

        Once the Turks had one neighbor, counting heavily on NATO assistance, tried to fight with Russia. It all ended with a chewed tie. Erdogan has a lot of ties? Have something to chew? I can help - I don’t know the taste, but there is a choice for color. I can even offer a butterfly.

        Of course, Turkey is not Georgia, it will not do here for three days. But Erdogan is not Mishiko - does not go to war with a nuclear power. I think it will not reach chewing ties in Ankara.
        1. Спартак 28 February 2020 14: 53 New
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          Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...
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            Quote: Spartak
            Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...

            I didn’t sit in the trenches, yes, behind the stones. And not under artillery - under mortars. When they knew about buttons only in the elevator.

            The age has long been drafted, even in the military enlistment office they have already written off. Although skills, health and strength were still very few. It will be necessary - and I will find young people what to teach. Surprised yet.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan 28 February 2020 16: 56 New
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            Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...


            Have you written a message right from the tank or the trench? From Turkish or Ukrainian?
  • My doctor 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?
    1. Genry 28 February 2020 12: 39 New
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      Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

      The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.
      It’s enough to sink one large ship ....
      1. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 12: 47 New
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        Quote: Genry
        It’s enough to sink one large ship ....

        Soooo And then what?
        1. Genry 28 February 2020 12: 49 New
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          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          And then what?

          Destabilization of Turkey ...
          1. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 12: 51 New
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            Destabilization of Turkey ...

            Describe in more detail?
            It seems to me that this takes time, well, to organize all this on a scale that could significantly affect such a state.
            And what do you think?
            And that's not it! We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.
            1. maidan.izrailovich 28 February 2020 13: 00 New
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              Describe in more detail?

              A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary? crying
              1. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 13: 03 New
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                Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

                As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...
                How do you think events will develop further?
                1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 29 New
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                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  How do you think events will develop further?

                  So Putin promised them to go to heaven. Seriously, even, I emphasize, EVEN in the event of a direct war between Russia and Turkey, no one will use nuclear weapons and, moreover, arrange a world nuclear apocalypse. They crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.
                  When will these little things calm down? In fact, as children are small.
                  1. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 13: 31 New
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                    Quote: kjhg
                    crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.

                    You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?
                    And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us? Let's say blockade.
                    We need to defeat NATO in this case.
                    1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 37 New
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                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?

                      Of course, Turks and Russians.
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us?

                      It is very possible.
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      Let's say blockade.

                      But this is unlikely. Well, first of all, Russia is too huge for them to give us a complete blockade. Secondly, it will cause very big problems in Europe itself. Thirdly, a cornered animal is much more dangerous. And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.
                    2. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 13: 41 New
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                      And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.

                      I agree of course, but will it be easier for us?
                      In any case, optimists.
              2. polar fox 28 February 2020 15: 04 New
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                As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...

                they will surely crash. when all the “power” they have collected their suitcases and will sit down on the planes ... and until they move, there will be another expression of concern.
            2. My doctor 29 February 2020 11: 53 New
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              A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

              Do you (you) have it?
          2. orionvitt 28 February 2020 14: 40 New
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            We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.

            Here you are mistaken. Well there, Turkish tomatoes are needed by Turkey more than Russia. As well as Turkish resorts. Russia without them will somehow collapse. But Turkey, without gas, is not very good, and Azerbaijan will not help much here. In the east, if there is a choice between losing face and money, they usually choose money. Soon we’ll hear something like, “Wah, why did you say so badly, we are peaceful people, let's be friends”
        2. Kisa 28 February 2020 14: 37 New
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          You are so cool fighting from the sofa)))) and in general, until the fascist boot of the Ottomans will trample our Constantinople))
        3. Alexey Sommer 28 February 2020 16: 00 New
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          You can put "-", you can "+".
          You just have to UNDERSTAND that for Turkey, Idlib is like Donbass for us.
          And the Syrian, Turkish borders and the borders of Ukraine were cut, as it were, without taking into account the national borders of residence.
          Russia, of course, can defeat Turkey ..
          But you have to think, what next? Us that Idlib Turkomans are native?
          Or does Assad pay a pension to our pensioners? They kept power to him, let him say thanks.
          Let's take care of your loved ones. Can we start from Donbass?
    2. kjhg 28 February 2020 12: 54 New
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      The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.

      Explain why this is Turkey? I don’t see a problem, why the Turks will not be able to pass ships of other Black Sea countries? When Russian ships request permission to pass, they will be refused. Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.
      I really would not want this, but such a scenario is becoming more and more real.
      1. Naive 28 February 2020 13: 11 New
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        And if such tricks of ours are consumed, then this will be the end of Russia.
        1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 14 New
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          Oh, I don’t need about the end of Russia, a red line, an incident of Belli. Our country passed through everything, but, thank God, it still exists and will exist for a long time. Yes, this will complicate our lives, but there is nothing critical about this, especially since it will all be temporary. In this case, Turkey itself will receive big problems.
      2. Genry 28 February 2020 13: 23 New
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        I don't see a problem

        You have not read ....

        And stopping the activities of the Bosphorus will lead to huge costs, for Turkey, without making a profit.
      3. orionvitt 28 February 2020 14: 45 New
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        Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.

        You say that only Turkey can block the straits. With the same success, Russia can do this, and for all .. In case of war, of course. Declare the straits a war zone and no one in their right mind will stick up.
        1. Avior 28 February 2020 15: 06 New
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          Not so easy
          The Straits - the territory of Turkey, which means it is legally a declaration of war on Turkey
          1. orionvitt 28 February 2020 15: 09 New
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            then this is legally a declaration of war on Turkey

            Can you read? Wrote in black and white
            In case of war, of course.
            If it comes to this, there will be no territory of Turkey, there will only be enemy territory.
            1. Avior 28 February 2020 17: 17 New
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              I am able
              And you?
              Turkey can block the straits without declaring war on anyone - the convention allows it
              But any actions of other countries in the straits is an attack on Turkey.
              1. orionvitt 28 February 2020 20: 06 New
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                Convention allows
                According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself “at risk of imminent military danger”,
                A highly extensible concept. And the closure of the straits will be regarded by Russia as a direct declaration of war.
                1. Avior 28 February 2020 20: 29 New
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                  It will be regarded by all as written
                  And it is written plainly that under the convention it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not
                  And a threat is a threat, not a war
                  1. orionvitt 28 February 2020 21: 11 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not

                    Yes, who would argue, let him decide. You can only reach the zugunder. Erdogan already reminds Lukashenko of something, he went completely off the coils. To goodness, it certainly will not bring.
    3. abrakadabre 28 February 2020 16: 27 New
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      It’s enough to sink one large ship ....
      Was there a bridge there? Or no? It can fall into the water. Instead, or with a boat.
  • Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Quote: MyVrach
    Quote: newbie
    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

    Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

    Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war
    So why should we be shy?
    1. dauria 28 February 2020 13: 09 New
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      Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

      How everyone was alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.
      I'll try and I
      abruptly heading Information is received from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ....
      ... considers it a strategic need to ensure the supply of the Crimean grouping in addition to the bridge across the land part of Ukraine. As well as access to the Bosphorus Strait through Bulgaria. With a probable exit to Kaliningrad via the Baltic .. The east direction through the Caspian-Iran-Iraq is not ruled out
      1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 13: 16 New
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        How everyone got alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.

        It seems like there’s even a video
        1. dauria 28 February 2020 13: 32 New
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          It seems like there’s even a video

          Turkish ambassador brings ultimatum to Kremlin Or ".... eleven" divisions removed from their permanent locations, declared a "full" degree?
          Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

          Officially block the straits - it will be after all preparations , not before. When everything will be clear to everyone without ambassadors. Even to me, an old fool who is farther than his native beerhouse and does not go anywhere.
          1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 13: 56 New
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            Turkish ambassador brings ultimatum to Kremlin Or ".... eleven" divisions removed from their permanent locations, declared a "full" degree?
            Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

            The German ambassador brought the 41st paper to the Kremlin when the Luftwaffe was already bombed by Kiev. And the officers in the barracks position - that’s what they did too - "do not succumb to provocations" ... hi
      2. Bagatur 28 February 2020 13: 47 New
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        Yeah .... maybe Alaska will be swung ??? Dreams are free fun ...
  • newcomer 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    What are you talking about? I believe that it is better for everyone to Erdogan to come to his senses and listen to his generals, otherwise they will get over the ears. We will get another war with the Turks, of course we will defeat with great blood. After all, as usual in the Black Sea there will be a support group for the Turks from the west. But Turkey may simply disappear, this is what Erdogan should understand, given modern technology.
    1. Machito 28 February 2020 13: 53 New
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      And if we throw up weapons to the Kurds in the same way that Turkey supplies Barmaleeva in Syria? Then Turkey will not be at all before the war.
  • Bagatur 28 February 2020 13: 45 New
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    If they close the strait .... nothing can be done! Strength will not help here, for Turkey - the United States. Without the delivery of the Syrian express, Assad and the entire Russian group in Syria will not be held for long!
  • Vladimir B. 28 February 2020 12: 32 New
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    Quote: newbie
    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire
    1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 00 New
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      Quote: Vladimir B.
      Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire

      This is YES, not a hat for Senka. I can’t even imagine how modern Turkey can regain the lands of the former Ottoman Empire? If it’s not even Russia, it’s definitely not beneficial for Israel, which means the United States and England. They will arrange for the sultan SUCH an economic crisis that Recep will gobble up their own hungry fellow citizens.
  • Fedor egoist 28 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships

    An attempt to stop any military convoy of the Russian Federation going through the strait automatically becomes a casus belli for our aircraft. Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this. But civilian ships may have problems with the passage of the Bosphorus.
    1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 08 New
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      Quote: Fedor Egoist
      Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this.

      Oh oh Never say never! Already after all this story with stab in the back, do not get off with tomatoes, sponsor of terrorismthen again friend Recep, strategic partner, trojan horse in NATOand now again nedosultan, nuclear weapons and other nonsense, again to say that this will not happen, is very reckless. As history shows us, everything is possible, and sometimes even that which is not possible.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko 28 February 2020 12: 40 New
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    Russia is being driven into a dead end. Not all cards are revealed. It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.
    1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 12: 50 New
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      It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.

      Well, if diplomatically.

      Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees. For the whole 75 years no one has tried to conquer Russia, the army was not allowed on it.

      However, for the whole 75 years they didn’t get too tough on the teeth so that they spill their teeth into underpants. Let them try, stretch themselves ...
      1. DenZ 28 February 2020 13: 04 New
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        Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees.

        I agree, I was sitting up. He wants action and thinking and remembering history at this time is somehow not a leisure time. But open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.
        1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 13: 09 New
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          open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.

          But didn’t they choke us?
          Choked, choked, choked, choked ... (c)

          And what's the use?
          Yeprst, Trump has imposed so many sanctions that he himself does not remember how much. And when did we live without sanctions?
          The information war? So they have been leading it since the time of Ivan the Terrible, if not earlier. We got used to their barking ... The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
      2. Konstantin Shevchenko 28 February 2020 15: 53 New
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        If only those who had brewed everything from Obama, Klintoshi, and all sorts of “Western backstage” got in the teeth. Spill the blood of ordinary children no matter what nationality. The backstage will sit still and joyfully with champagne, and give me popcorn. Russia’s war is not needed with anyone and nowhere. All centuries, the war slowed down Russian development, and not only 75 years ago.
  • Alexey from Perm 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    In all cases, he has a better situation than ours
  • Evdokim 28 February 2020 12: 44 New
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    Quote: newbie
    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    Erdogan has zugzwang. Retreat yourselves eaten with giblets, not retreat - the holiday season is on the nose, and you need to trade tomatoes, you want S-400, etc. etc. So a poor little card scratches his turnips and thinks that at the next coup Vova will call ... Or not .... What to do ??? hi
  • Orel 28 February 2020 12: 56 New
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    We have few trump cards, the situation is bad
  • basmach 28 February 2020 12: 28 New
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    They don’t want their fighters-Nehru to die, climb wherever they asked. Do not sit at home.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 28 February 2020 12: 28 New
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    Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
    There will stop the flow of tourists. Here in Cairo will be delighted ..
    1. Vladimir B. 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

      not yet, but close to that.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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        I don’t really understand this, I don’t want to hit my chest with my heels, but I think that Turkey is best to be neutral in everything.
    2. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
      .


      While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...
      1. TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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        I agree. We must wait for official statements, and not some sort of "media discuss."
        1. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 44 New
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          Nobody has canceled the information war yet ...
      2. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 12: 55 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
        .

        While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...

        Erdogan’s adviser is far from Erdogan, and there was no “official paper” with the declaration of war. But here, in the next news

        Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war
        By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.
        1. cniza 28 February 2020 13: 01 New
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          He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...
          1. kjhg 28 February 2020 13: 43 New
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            He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...

            This they can easily arrange. There, the Saudis killed their citizen Khashoggi and dismembered right at the embassy in Turkey. So that...
      3. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 47 New
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        Quote: cniza
        em statements from officials ...

        Zhirinovsky also speaks with us, and then comes true
        1. cniza 28 February 2020 13: 57 New
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          Zhirinovsky is completely different, but here is clearly a provocation ...
          1. New Year day 28 February 2020 13: 59 New
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            Quote: cniza
            but here is clearly a provocation ...

            I mean that. that sometimes through unofficial persons they say what the authorities themselves cannot say. I don’t think that some Turk got into the box and started broadcasting without Erdogan’s support
            1. cniza 28 February 2020 14: 02 New
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              They say, but you can say different things, I mean the subtext ...
    3. dauria 28 February 2020 12: 51 New
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      Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

      This is a crap from the Internet for the sake of views. "Someone somewhere said somewhere that they say Montreux and block"
      And the heading to match "In Ankara, we thought ..." Who exactly? Drunk taxi driver or Foreign Minister brought an ultimatum?
  • protoss 28 February 2020 12: 29 New
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    ok military. but there, I remember, there was a point that non-military ships adapted for transporting fuel can be equated with military ones. and this is an economic blow to the Novorossiysk port.
  • Prahlad 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona
    1. protoss 28 February 2020 12: 35 New
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      I’d like to say “sparkling”.
      all that can be done is to complain to the United Nations and 2/3 of the votes of the Security Council to lift the Turkish ban.
    2. private person 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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      Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona

      Wow, how many interesting names you know. But what Turkish Turks are NATO members? NATO certainly will not go into open war, but will support its member in every way by inserting a stick into the wheels.
      1. Prahlad 28 February 2020 12: 57 New
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        Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily. Yes, and NATO will not climb into the war because of the ambitions of the Sultan
        1. private person 28 February 2020 13: 19 New
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          Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily.

          How's the sofa you're sitting on right now? Campaign spring exacerbation, urgently on a bump in the clinic.
        2. Korax71 28 February 2020 13: 26 New
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          Typically, such reports come from people who have seen the database either on the TV or computer screen. Please, please, who are these “you” who will destroy NATO?
          1. Prahlad 28 February 2020 13: 39 New
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            Yes, that's right, I'm a battlefield veteran where I destroy everyone
  • Thrifty 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    It was only Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko who could put the Turks in their place, promising that the Soviet Navy would make a new strait in Istanbul with one missile zapp! And then the Turks forgot about the desire to close the straits for the fleet of the USSR. It’s a pity that our fleet does not have the Gromyko missile cruiser!
    1. Vadim Zhivov 28 February 2020 13: 08 New
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      This is when the Bosphorus should become a little wider? hi
    2. Incvizitor 28 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      Having spilled from Turkey, and now in 15 minutes you can do it, but no one, only traders in power.
  • prior 28 February 2020 12: 31 New
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    Closing the straits will lead to their expansion .... and a change in nationality.
  • TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    Turkey is already openly massively destroying the Syrian tanks, artillery and other things to great depths from the front zone from Idlib. On Turkish television there is a live broadcast of strikes (UAV video) Everything is very serious. The Syrian army suffers very large losses. Now the situation is even more dangerous than when the Turks shot down our SU-24 and killed the pilot.

    1. Nastia makarova 28 February 2020 13: 02 New
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      let them knead each other
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 28 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    All of this can end badly. At least for our group in Syria. For without supply, the supply will deteriorate sharply. Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.
    1. DenZ 28 February 2020 13: 08 New
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      Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.

      Very likely. It is unlikely that this will come to Turkey and Syria.
  • Professor Preobrazhensky 28 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    Let the straits, even a nuclear war, but not tomatoes!
    Thank C400, we will pay extra for gas, we will build a nuclear power plant on loan as much as we like - all for the sake of tomatoes!
    1. Vadim Zhivov 28 February 2020 13: 12 New
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      Respected! You didn’t hit your head hard today? Less from me .. Not funny ..
      1. Paranoid50 28 February 2020 13: 46 New
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        Dear!

        As you, however, Vadim, respectfully with a computer program ... wassat
  • Nychego 28 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    A normal check of the strength of the eggs of the Russian leadership.
    Ours, like “Makarov” and “Grigorovich,” decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.

    I will not rush into assumptions - the range of possibilities is still wide, although, naturally, with every real action (not a threat, but an action) it narrows quite significantly.
    1. God save the king 28 February 2020 12: 59 New
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      Ours, like “Makarov” and “Grigorovich,” decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.
      The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.
      1. Dude 28 February 2020 13: 07 New
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        Quote: God save the King
        Ours, like “Makarov” and “Grigorovich,” decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.
        The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.

        Why would it be the evacuation of something ?! On the contrary, promotion to the Mediterranean theater.
      2. Vadim Zhivov 28 February 2020 13: 23 New
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        Hey tow truck Theophan! Sites are not messed up by accident? Does the pan not shake?
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 28 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    So we can block tourists and tomatoes, it seems financial problems in Turkey?
  • Livonetc 28 February 2020 12: 37 New
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    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    Trying to work on two fronts., Or even more fronts.
    At the Libyan theater, while losing drones.
    “The Turkish army has lost three large unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in Syria and Libya over the past 48 hours. The first drone was shot down on southern Idlib on Tuesday, February 25. A few hours later, the Libyan National Army (LNA) under the command of Marshal Khalifa Haftar announced the destruction of a Turkish drone that flew from Mitig International Airport in Tripoli. Later, the LNA published a video from the UAV crash site. The next morning on Wednesday, February 26, Haftar’s troops reported another liquidated aircraft rone of Turkish Armed Forces over Tripoli. "
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/02/27/haftar-postavil-erdogana-na-koleni-turciya-poteryala-za-dva-dnya-tri-drona?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
  • Vladyka Ecumenical 28 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    Actually, this is a strong spit in the direction of Russia, this is complete disrespect and non-recognition of the authority of Russia, such matters are fraught with consequences for Russia itself.
    I would understand the situation if the SAA declares war, the jihad of Turkey, and for Erdogad it would be a matter of honor to defend the homeland.
    But when they enter a foreign country, on far-fetched pretexts, in order to seize territories, establish their influence and will, despite the fact that there is already a strong player who himself decided to eat a local pie, this means that the Turks do not recognize the strength and power of Russia they don’t care what the Russians have tasks there, their Wishlist is important to them and they will get what they want.
    You can throw me hats or in our case minuses, but I think that without a tough answer, this should not be left.
    1. Alexey from Perm 28 February 2020 12: 43 New
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      there is almost nothing to answer, but no, let's not go to them! Option 2, we will not buy tomatoes))
    2. TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 12: 46 New
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      without a tough answer, this should not be left.

      The fact is that in addition to economic leverage, Russia has nothing more than to give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists."
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        Quote: TatarinSSSR
        without a tough answer, this should not be left.

        The fact is that in addition to economic leverage, Russia has nothing more than to give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists."

        Tourists and tomatoes, the Turks will survive. Unpleasant, but no more. But Russia's reputation, military and geopolitical risks are extremely high. Let’s retreat - sit in front of the whole world in a puddle. On the other hand, what the escalation could lead to is unknown. Not zugzwang, of course, but the position is complicated.
  • My_log_in 28 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    Did he really clean everything up so well that he no longer feared a new coup attempt?
  • V1er 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    And why aren't they sitting there? And I will say why, under the hood, the US and NATO feel their impunity. One on one Turkey would never go against Russia. We need to take into account this creeping snake policy of the countries of the new axis.
  • Tank hard 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    The rich have their own quirks ... request laughing
  • Alexey from Perm 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Yura Shvytkin, you think in case it comes to blocking the strait.
  • Laksamana besar 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    No panic, everything is calm in the straits. smile
    SEVASTOPOL, February 28. / TASS /. The frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Grigorovich of the Black Sea Fleet (Black Sea Fleet) pass the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits on their way to the Mediterranean Sea, where the ship of the Black Sea Fleet of this series, the Admiral Essen, is already located, according to a message issued by the Black Sea Information Department on Friday.
    1. TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 12: 55 New
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      Bon voyage to our sailors! May God grant them seven feet under the keel and a speedy return to their native marinas safe and sound!
  • serzh.kost 28 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" pass the straits
    1. God save the king 28 February 2020 12: 56 New
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      Just a perfect illustration of the REAL combat value of the Black Sea Fleet, as such.
      Either flee north before the straits are closed, or it is useless to rot in the port - that’s his whole lot.
      The same applies to BF.
      1. Nastia makarova 28 February 2020 13: 05 New
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        6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))
        1. Dude 28 February 2020 13: 25 New
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          6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))

          In your dreams, Gauges, of course, with special warheads must be applied)?
          1. Nastia makarova 28 February 2020 13: 32 New
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            not in dreams but in case of war, but without war, freely pass from the black and the Baltic
  • Ross xnumx 28 February 2020 12: 45 New
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    According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

    Did Turkey read the text of the military doctrine of the Russian Federation? In that part, if someone suddenly dares to prevent Russia from possessing sovereignty, statehood, and other attributes of a free country, can the issue of whether the straits belong to anyone be resolved in a very simple and cardinal way - the formation of a new Byzantine state and the restoration of Constantinople? belay
    Simple such "bitter" Turkish guys ... Here, just recently, one "filly" tried to show its zeal and arrogance. They pretended that the cinch burst, and the fleet is still in the American registries.
    It may become, and Erdogan on this earth is not eternal ...
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    HAM 28 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    Nobody canceled the interest of the Yankers. If they decided to bang Erdogan, they bang ... only now Erdogan himself is pouring water into the American mill and therefore they need him... as soon as there are signs of reconciliation, wait for either protests in Turkey or a military coup in general ... In my opinion, Erdogan still hit the Yankees on a kukan ..
  • askort154 28 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

    Turkey alone cannot close. She must apply to the UN Security Council
    with evidence of threats. UN Security Council - approves if 2/3 of the votes are in favor.
    Any country of the permanent members of the UN Security Council (there are five of them - Russia, China, USA, England, France) may block the decision. So says the Montreux Convection of 1936.
    1. astepanov 28 February 2020 12: 53 New
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      Just like that, in the convention of 36 years, it is written: is the UN Security Council deciding? Are you confusing anything?
      1. askort154 28 February 2020 13: 13 New
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        astepanov ....Rightly so in the convention of 36 years and it is written: the decision is made by the UN Security Council? Are you confusing anything?

        For this, the Montreux Convection of 1936 was adopted so that not a single state rules the Bosphorus, since the Black Sea basin includes 4 more states - the USSR (Russia), Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria. For this and regulated the rules. In 1993, this Convention was prolonged.
        So, the cries of Turkish politicians - to close the strait, a pure bluff to the public. yes hi
    2. g1washntwn 28 February 2020 13: 00 New
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      It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.
      1. askort154 28 February 2020 13: 21 New
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        1washntwn ....It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.

        The passage of warships is also regulated by the Convention. The passage of warships of non-Black Sea basin countries is limited by a stay of 21 days and a total displacement of not more than 30 thousand tons. and it doesn’t matter whose ships are NATO, USA or China, etc.)yes hi
        1. g1washntwn 28 February 2020 13: 39 New
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          You describe peacetime. Read articles 20-21 of the Convention where Turkey recognizes itself as a belligerent. "... at your discretion"
  • astepanov 28 February 2020 12: 50 New
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    As sung in an old student song, "Love passed, tomatoes wilted."
  • jeka424 28 February 2020 12: 53 New
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    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/20202281122-r1Syx.html
  • shoroh 28 February 2020 12: 57 New
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    Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, then they will receive from the cabins from the heart, and no gas pipelines and nuclear power plants will save Erdogan. Does anyone doubt Russia's military response? Georgia, Ukraine also thought so. All this talk about the second army in NATO, this is all before the first serious clash. It’s one thing to fight the Kurds, and it’s another thing to catch missiles at all your strategic sites. The Turkish General Staff must understand that the United States will not rush to save them.
    1. TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 13: 13 New
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      When the Turks shot down the Russian SU-24, a pilot and a special forces soldier died - was Russia’s military response? Where did you get such confidence?
    2. Dude 28 February 2020 13: 35 New
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      Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, they will receive
      And if the Turks will not "attack наших military "? Is it just that they will break the SAR from the heart and establish their protectorate over Idlib? Well, and out of the blue, will they walk, in general, at all the objects on the territory of Syria, which they consider necessary, and which they can reach?
      What kind then will be our actions? Honestly, I don’t see a wide range of effective and real countermeasures in this situation. But our reputational costs can be impressive.
  • Last centurion 28 February 2020 12: 58 New
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    and the presidential palace of the new padishah and Incirlik in the radius of calibers? if yes, then all the rules and this is a plus minus the sewerage
  • Lekxnumx 28 February 2020 13: 00 New
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    The Turkish defense minister said: "Despite the fact that the location of our military was coordinated with the Russian side. An air attack was organized on our military, despite the warning, our forces were attacked again. During these air attacks, even ambulances were under attack. During the air attack around our military, there were no groups from the anti-Assad forces. After the treacherous attack, immediately our aviation, UAVs and ground forces destroyed 200 targets of the Assad regime. As a result, 5 helicopters were destroyed, 23 10 tanks, 23 BMPs, 5 artillery pieces of various calibers, 1 ammunition trucks, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M309, headquarters and several warehouses with weapons and provisions and XNUMX soldiers of the regime. The attacks will continue, the blood of the martyrs will not remain avenged "
    1. Tank hard 28 February 2020 13: 13 New
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      , the blood of the martyrs will not remain un revenge "

      And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs? repeat
      1. Lekxnumx 28 February 2020 13: 31 New
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        And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs?
        The Turks who died for their homeland a priori shahids, I have no question, I just quoted. To hell with these minuses do not care about them, but just wondering why the minus? In gratitude, what did Akara quickly translate? and filled the information gap on the opposite side? If someone shares quotes with information, this is a quote, not his personal opinion. But who can you explain to VO here? The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote, madhouse in a word
        Quote: serzh.kost
        Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...
        1. Tank hard 28 February 2020 13: 33 New
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          The Turks killed for the homeland a priori shahids

          Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks ... laughing
          1. Lekxnumx 28 February 2020 13: 37 New
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            Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks

            For the Turkic motherland, a loose concept, especially a Turk with an imperial past. However, as for the Russian, whose father arrived 60 years ago (for example), Kamchatka and is already outraged by the visitors))) In this you are similar to the Turks.
        2. Tank hard 28 February 2020 13: 35 New
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          Quote: Lek3338
          but just wondering why are they mincing?

          Quote: Lek3338
          The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote

          It’s just that you often flicker in comments about Azerbaijan and Turkey, what did you expect? request
          1. Lekxnumx 28 February 2020 13: 42 New
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            It’s very rare about Turkey, very often about Azerbaijan because it’s a citizen. Turkey is not interesting to me at all, I don’t like Turks basically. There is a lot of pathos, but I comment solely on military interest. How is going on and who will defeat Assad, the Russian Federation and Turkey in general I don’t care. But the military is interested in various maneuvers and the reliability of the information. I drop it and wait for a refutation or confirmation then draw conclusions. My conclusions on military issues, the war is a spectacular thing, I’ll tell you, no matter how cynical it sounds.
            1. Tank hard 28 February 2020 13: 51 New
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              Quote: Lek3338
              often about Azerbaijan for a citizen.

              Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).
              Quote: Lek3338
              , I do not like the Turks at the heart of. Paphos a lot

              I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples. request
              Quote: Lek3338
              War is a spectacular thing. I’ll tell you, however cynical.

              It depends on what you think is a war and entertainment. He survived the Osh Events, Batken Events, and the 2005 Tulip Revolution. I did not like. However, to each - his own. hi
              1. Lekxnumx 28 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                Quote: Tank Hard
                Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).

                Yes, the Turk himself is for me, this is not a synonym for Turk. Culturally, yes, and there isn’t anthropologically since, genetically, only 11% is a maximum of 20 in Turkey and in Az-ne.
                Quote: Tank Hard
                I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples.

                Unambiguously rightly believe, rather the fathers of the Turks are Kyrgyz than vice versa
                Quote: Tank Hard
                It depends on what you think is a war and entertainment. He survived the Osh Events, Batken Events, and the 2005 Tulip Revolution. I did not like. However, to each - his own

                I am sorry, I, too, am not a supporter of ethnic hatred, but war is war. If it started late to drink Borjomi, I’m not a party to this conflict specifically.
        3. astepanov 28 February 2020 14: 30 New
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          That's for sure, madhouse. It doesn’t matter if the author of the post voices his point of view or gives a quote for information, but the only important thing is whether the text came to the taste of the reader. If tomorrow someone writes about bad weather, then they will blame us despite the fact that this is a quote from the official forecast, and the author is not at fault for the crappy weather.
    2. serzh.kost 28 February 2020 13: 15 New
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      Quote: Lek3338
      200 goals of the Assad regime. As a result, 5 helicopters, 23 tanks, 10 BMPs, 23 artillery pieces of various calibers, 5 ammunition trucks, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M1, a headquarters, and several weapons and provisions stores and 309 regime soldiers were destroyed

      Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...
  • Karaul14 28 February 2020 13: 02 New
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    Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they will almost be friends against America, they bought the S-400, etc. In fact, in the truce itself, insoluble contradictions were created that were supposed to lead to escalation, and the Americans knew this very well, because they very skillfully conduct their policies and calculate ahead, not only the Russian authorities - even Belarus and they managed to set themselves against themselves. You can portray Putin as much as you want on a chessboard that beats everyone in geopolitics; fantasies from that will not become reality.
    1. Tank hard 28 February 2020 13: 09 New
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      Quote: Karaul14
      Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they are almost friends

      IMHO, the final, but never Turkey will not be a friend of Russia, like Iran, however.
    2. TatarinSSSR 28 February 2020 13: 11 New
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      I do not like liberoids and everything ..... for sure, but in your words there is some truth, both about Turkey and about Belarus. To my great regret. Now there is a huge miscalculation of Russian strategists, analysts and advisers about Erdogan and Turkey itself, its army. Russia has now driven itself into a very poor position.
  • Air force 28 February 2020 13: 10 New
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    The straits are understandable, the matter is serious, but here is the refusal to deploy the C400, to be honest, I did not understand what the threat to Russia was, other than a demonstrative protest. Or is it a hint that we will not deploy the C400, by the way, our NATO partners are just asking us about this, you never know what else they will ask us about the C400. But it seems to me stupid too. In the meantime, the Turkish media are pumping Admiral Makarov and Admiral Grigorovich with the Caliber, the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles are walking, at least the Russian media are writing this way, there will probably be a mess for the weekend.
  • Sergst 28 February 2020 13: 13 New
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    By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.

    By the way, they announced the ambassador and handed over a note declaring war
  • Amateur 28 February 2020 13: 14 New
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    Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.

    The media can write anything. To this they are the media. Someone was going to wash their boots in the Indian Ocean, UkroSMI will pick up the Kremlin tomorrow, but what’s sometimes written on the fences is “HORROR”.
    Well, close the straits for warships
    If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority that the measures taken by Turkey in this way are not justified and if the opinion of the majority of the High Contracting Parties to this Convention is the same, the Turkish Government will cancel these measures, as well as those would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention.
    Turks can only with UN permission
  • ochakow703 28 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    No, well, straight rams to the new gate. They have already been clearly explained to them where their place is, and how soon they need to get out, so no, they are still trying to build intrigues ... Why are they all so stupid then ???
  • Jarserge 28 February 2020 13: 17 New
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    Erdogan almost like Hitler entered the war in several directions in Idlib, in Rojava, in Iraq and in Libya. Despite the fact that he has unresolved issues with the army, after a failed conspiracy, there is tension with popularity, and even ambiguous relations with NATO countries. I don’t even know which fortel he can throw
    1. behappy 28 February 2020 13: 41 New
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      The Russian Federation has no fewer, and even more serious challenges. Many are waiting for all directions (conflict) in the Russian Federation to blaze with a red flame. And such directions in the Russian Federation have done itself for the last gold just a dime a dozen. And then the question of who will pull is not even a question. And Yes - Turkey is a member of NATO, whatever the relationship. But NATO seems to have complied with its agreements no matter what. But in Russia, in compliance with the agreements, the reputation in the world is tarnished (no matter who says it).
      GDP wasted in vain in Syria. I would solve my internal issues. Syria for ordinary Russian families / soldiers / mothers is an empty, unnecessary place. But when the 200s go in packs, the question is: what popularity is guaranteed by GDP, since you care so much about Erdogan’s popularity ?! I think that now the GDP is already not what it was, but soon it will not be left (well, not everyone in Russia agrees to tear ass for Assad, doesn’t it ?! I understand for my country, but for Syria? Why? )
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        Sorry, but I do not agree with you. Almost all of your allegations are unfounded, especially with regard to Russia. So the stream of consciousness. You have no idea what you're talking about. Understand first questions
  • 1536 28 February 2020 13: 18 New
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    It seems that the Turks are starting to go wild.
  • behappy 28 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

    Erdogan is just next door, worthy of the sun and logistics on his side. And is Erdogan driving himself into a dead end? As you can see, this GDP is now at an impasse, no matter how you say or shout
  • Andrey the Magnificent 28 February 2020 13: 42 New
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    USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko - instead of the Bosphorus, we can build two more straits, only Istanbul, unfortunately, will not
    That was the answer, they lost such a country ... am
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    Ankara may postpone deployment of Russian S-400 air defense system

    That scared so scared laughing
    Sultan from anger has ceased to be afraid of the next Gulen coup with the support of the striped, in the case of which he bought these S-400? Hike his roof seriously rides.
  • spectr 28 February 2020 14: 03 New
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    The Turks are beginning to almost openly violate international agreements. Interestingly, the "Pandora's box" has already opened or is it just opening?
    Now an interesting picture is looming. Turkey crushes Syria under itself, and if you remember that Iraq was once a part of the Ottoman Empire, then the neighbors can begin to get nervous looking at this power takeover. After all, they also have Kurds that prevent the Turks from living.
    As I understand it, if the Turks overdo it, then the Russian Federation may receive a second channel for the supply of military equipment and ammunition — the land one. True, how safe is it.
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    What to expect ....
  • Incvizitor 28 February 2020 14: 15 New
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    If they start attacking our troops en masse, it is necessary to use nuclear weapons (you can pre-warn about this and take all the tourists away), all these deals must be put in place, without loss on our part, they must understand that they exist thanks to the patience of our "powerful people suffered" but everything has its own trait.
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      * Warn. - I got an error from the phone.
  • 30143 28 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Quote: _Ugene_
    but more interesting is what should we do

    Good question. The obvious answer is not visible, except: "Wail!"
    Because after the “Swallow” the following question arises: What next?
    Let's hope for a tricky plan ..

    What is the plan? All according to circumstances! As with the Crimea.
    First get involved in a fight, and then think about how to get out of hhvna. Moreover, no one says that then they will have to rake more than one year.
    And if the Turks refuse gas? To spite! They can. Who will cover the losses? I get the impression that Putin is tying a knot so that later no one can resolve ... And then the whole country will ask the GDP, as a savior, so that he remains for another ten years?
    Please note that this aggravation coincided with constitutional restructuring.
    Yes, pay attention to what gevolt has risen in VO. Everyone wants to fight? Alien hands? Or how? Ah, yes, we’ll give a whiff of a vigorous bomb ... just go with your brains?
    ... we all drink, but the fleet is not a disgrace?
  • parkello 28 February 2020 14: 49 New
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    Turks can and will close as soon as they decide. it has long been known, but when exactly, now it has become clear. the one who told us about everything for 20 years no longer lives in this world ... but his words are only now beginning to appear in action. if the Turks remembered covenant, it means they will take advantage of its agreements regardless of the conditions of the war in Idlib province. the province is an excuse .. and the reason lies in the inm. so that the Turks will block the straits. be ready for this. yes
  • The Expendables 28 February 2020 15: 53 New
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    In Ankara, thought about closing

    Better not to think about it .. And remember the words of Kosygin about the second strait))))
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    The Turks are a nation of traders and that’s it ...
  • -ш- 28 February 2020 18: 47 New
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    so you can close the access to swim after the strait in the Black Sea)
  • NordUral 28 February 2020 19: 29 New
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    Gromyko calmly answered, only two volleys, and besides the Bosphorus there will be straits, though I’m not sure that Istanbul will remain!

    Источник: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/smarttatar/kak-turciia-pytalas-zakryt-bosfor-dlia-sovetskih-korablei-i-kak-sssr-v-dve-sekundy-reshil-etot-vopros-5e5898022a7320592b6f7a0b
    It is only a pity that we are no longer the USSR or even the RSFR.
    1. Avior 28 February 2020 20: 46 New
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      Yandex Zen is a strong source
      Do you know a serious one? I wonder where this story came from ...
      1. NordUral 28 February 2020 20: 48 New
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        I agree, Sergey, I myself do not like him, a slanderous channel. And about Toggo, what Gromyko said, I doubt it. And he brought it only because it’s a place.
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    Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

    To this statement, Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that for a passage to the Mediterranean, the USSR Black Sea Fleet would need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR.
    1. Avior 28 February 2020 20: 44 New
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      This story has been cited several times on the branch, but no one cites the source
      Very much like a bike
      In the late 70s, Turkey was a member of NATO, and such a statement by Gromyko, especially the Americans, would cause a great scandal and noise, but there was nothing like that.
      And I don’t remember trying to block the Bosphorus in the late 70s and I couldn’t find confirmation anywhere.
      Moreover, it would be very strange to hear from Gromyko, the wrong person was, did not suffer from pathos, and was, by the way, one of the initiators of the signing of the Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear War (1973) and the 1975 Helsinki Act, and indeed words did not rush, and even so.
      This story appeared on the Internet in large quantities in 2015, and where it came from is not clear.
      Maybe you know the link to the source of this story?
      hi
      1. 75 Sergey 29 February 2020 07: 25 New
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        Then they put a horseradish on NATO.
        1. Avior 29 February 2020 08: 48 New
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          I served in the 80s
          They took very seriously and without hatred
          My opponent, Turkey and Greece, heard at every second conversation a political leader, and no one considered the war with them a trifling matter, as you can read now in the comments
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 February 2020 22: 29 New
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    Quote: shoroh
    Georgia, Ukraine also thought so.

    > Ukraine

    Ah, so did the APU attack our Crimea in the 14th? Very interesting.
    1. 75 Sergey 29 February 2020 07: 24 New
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      Crimea was illegally acquired by Ukraine, the transfer agreement was not ratified.
  • lvov_aleksey 29 February 2020 20: 57 New
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    all this is already outdated, we walk and they do not bother us.
    ps
    https://topwar.ru/168445-rossija-napravila-v-sredizemnoe-more-srazu-dva-fregata-proekta-11356.html
    https://topwar.ru/168471-bdk-orsk-chf-prosledoval-cherez-prolivy-v-sredizemnoe-more.html