In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships

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Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.

According to recent Turkish publications, Ankara is considering the option of closing the straits for Russian warships. Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.



The second response to the complication of the situation in Idlib could be the delay by the Turkish side of the deployment of the Russian anti-aircraft system S-400, scheduled for April this year.

The Russian State Duma on this occasion expressed the hope that Turkey would not go to extreme measures and would not block the straits for Russian ships.

I think that Turkey now needs to refrain from aggressive plans, from various military actions and military rhetoric regarding our state or any other state (...). It is possible that there will be some kind of barrage in the Bosphorus, but it will not reach extreme measures

- said the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Yuri Shvytkin.

Earlier, Ankara accused Russia of striking Turkish soldiers, which led to the death of 33 military.
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    1. +24
      February 28 2020
      In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.
      1. +6
        February 28 2020
        thought about closing the Black Sea straits ...

        This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose. sad
        1. -5
          February 28 2020
          so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.
          1. +45
            February 28 2020
            Quote: protoss
            so, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

            Read carefully articles 20 and 21.
            This right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21 if Turkey considers itself "in imminent military danger"

            Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current). At the same time, Turkey refuses to withdraw its troops voluntarily (it was asked) and prevents it from fighting terrorists. If this is an attack on Turkey, then this is a complete AUT.
            1. -1
              February 28 2020
              I think not so easy
              ... if Turkey considers itself to be "in imminent military danger"

              A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
              Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.
              1. +9
                February 28 2020
                Quote: Avior
                I think not so easy
                ... if Turkey considers itself to be "in imminent military danger"

                A broad interpretation, a lot of which may include, because there is a threat, not an attack directly
                Formally, in general, Turkey must decide for itself whether there is a threat or not.


                What nafig broad interpretation !? Turkey under the threat of an immediate military THREAT. TURKEY, KARL, TURKEY AND NOT ITS ARMY, WHICH IS LOCATED BETWEEN OTHER OTHER THAN THE TERRITORY OF HIS COUNTRY !!! Then we will calmly introduce troops into the territory of Turkey, and when they attack us, we will say "Oh, you threaten us, then a fluffy animal has come to you." Where is the logic!? WHOOOO !!!
                1. 0
                  February 28 2020
                  Finally young man!
                  Soak in the toilets, stop them already mocking us ...
                2. +2
                  February 28 2020
                  Once such a booze has gone - cut the last cucumber! We need to conduct our profitable policies and not be in the wake of someone! soldier
            2. BVS
              0
              February 28 2020
              And where did you see the words "to the territory"?
              1. +1
                February 28 2020
                Quote: bvs
                Turkey considers itself "in imminent military danger"
                BVS (Victor), the key word is "direct". And then, is Turkey a territory or an incorporeal spirit?
                1. BVS
                  0
                  February 29 2020
                  "the word" immediate "." - has a lot of investments, and not necessarily "territory". It seems attracted to me.
            3. 0
              February 29 2020
              Quote: letinant
              Immediate danger of attack on the territory of Turkey. And not on her troops located in the territory of another country, moreover, engaged in supporting terrorists (recognized by the UN Security Council as current).

              Well Duc the whole question WHO will decide this .. After the case of the Skripals and SP-2, absolutely anything is possible, in any interpretation of any nonsense .. The only question is how can we defend our interests, and how to support our position .. Recently we decided that in connection with the difficult situation of the 404th Russia has to pay 2.9bn and paid like nice ones .. So, will our bureaucrats have enough to press the calluses of the "partners" or again with a bow, whatever? Oh, I don’t know .. the bourgeois do not care that the Turkish troops are on foreign territory, it is important that these troops are doing exactly what the bourgeois need, and therefore support is guaranteed! The question is how much of this .. Sanctions will cost or will provide military assistance, and again what will OURS do in case of hard pressure ...
          2. +8
            February 28 2020
            Quote: protoss
            ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

            Idlib is NOT Turkey.
            nobody attacks and threatens herself
            1. +3
              February 28 2020
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: protoss
              ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

              Idlib is NOT Turkey.
              nobody attacks and threatens herself

              This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.
              1. 0
                February 29 2020
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: protoss
                ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

                Idlib is NOT Turkey.
                nobody attacks and threatens herself

                This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.


                If they do it with the wording "because of Idlib" - this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! Article 5 of NATO does not work in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say, itself, itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, will definitely shit Turkey and Iran and the Kurds. think Erdogan, their whole economy is going to hell. Closed shipping and air communications, tourism business, their own food, they will float to whom? If even now they are asking to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may be banned for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

                Personally, I subscribe to the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."
                1. +1
                  February 29 2020
                  Quote: letinant
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: protoss
                  ak, damn it, is not equivalent. they wrote to you in the article that everything is within the framework of the convention, which we (the USSR) signed.

                  Idlib is NOT Turkey.
                  nobody attacks and threatens herself

                  This is what you think, and Turkey will take it differently, close the straits, and Europe will recognize the legality of this step.


                  If they do it with the wording "because of Idlib" - this is a direct declaration of war on Russia by Turkey! Article 5 of NATO does not work in this case (direct attacks on the territory of a NATO country) and NATO will say, itself, itself. And the war on two fronts, Syria and Russia, will definitely shit Turkey and Iran and the Kurds. think Erdogan, their whole economy is going to hell. Closed shipping and air communications, tourism business, their own food, they will float to whom? If even now they are asking to remove quotas for deliveries to Russia from their tomatoes !? They may be banned for technical reasons, for a maximum of 3 days.

                  Personally, I subscribe to the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union Gromyko: "If Turkey closes our passage through the Bosphorus. We will make two more passes with two blows, but it is unlikely that the city of Istanbul will remain on the map."

                  Forget about the words that sound in the Soviet Union, we are zilch in comparison with its power and titanium eggs of its leaders.

                  And they will not say that it is because of Idlib, and then this is not a direct declaration of war. The West may not directly fit into the conflict, but Turkey will be healthy with weapons and money.
                  Kurds will not win the Turks for sure, but together with the Turks, Assad can be destroyed and they can already organize their own state in Syria. So that Wishlist need a little podzakoto. Here we are Syria and Turkey against us behind whose back the whole west and the states
            2. +2
              February 28 2020
              according to this version, hmeimim is not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.
              1. -4
                March 1 2020
                Quote: protoss
                by this version and hmeimim not Russia, if something flies in there, is it not in Russia? 5 points.

                according to your version, horseradish and carrot are one and the same.
                But it is not
          3. +6
            February 28 2020
            Under the Convention, Turkey has the right to close the straits if it is one of the parties to the military conflict, i.e. Turks need to officially declare war on Russia, then they can close the straits. If they simply close the straits in silence, it will be regarded as a declaration of war.
            1. +4
              February 28 2020
              I agree with you, and if Turkey declare war on Syria, can it close the straits to the allies of Syria? (I'm just interested, not good at this)
            2. +2
              February 28 2020
              Turkey may declare war on Syria. It's enough
        2. 0
          February 28 2020
          I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.
          1. +9
            February 28 2020
            I agree. But ours in Syria will be hard_ two bases without security by sea. The air express is a little pragmatic.


            Look at the map - you can transport cargo to the Syria from the Baltic Sea and the Far East via Gibraltar or the Suez Canal. Yes, further and longer, but the blocking of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles will not block our base in Syria and the supply by sea will continue.
            1. +18
              February 28 2020
              Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.
              1. +4
                February 28 2020
                Quote: Bearded
                Russia, too, may block the Bosphorus. She has already done this more than once.

                when?
                1. +1
                  February 28 2020
                  To begin with Oleg Prophetic?
                  1. +9
                    February 28 2020
                    Quote: Bearded
                    To begin with Oleg Prophetic?

                    preferably closer. "You won't go far in a carriage of the past"
                    1. +2
                      February 28 2020
                      I do not want to argue with you. I read your comments with interest.
                      Yesterday is the past.
                      1. +4
                        February 28 2020
                        Quote: Bearded
                        I do not want to argue with you.

                        so I don’t argue, I just want to know hi
                        1. -1
                          February 28 2020
                          Strait mining in WWI, for example.
                        2. +4
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Bearded
                          Strait mining in WWI, for example.

                          got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction
                        3. +9
                          February 28 2020
                          Obstruction can be obtained, but the veto is with us, not with Turkey. As recent experience has shown, Turkey is very dependent on the Russian Federation, and not vice versa. It is still no one has supplied weapons to the Syrian Kurds from Tartus. The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries, but a very welcome dream of our partners.
                        4. +4
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Bearded
                          but the veto is ours, not Turkey.

                          I doubt that the overlap of the Bosphorus will appeal to everyone in the world.
                          Article 109 of the UN Charter
                          With a view to revising this Charter, a General Conference of the Members of the United Nations may be convened at a time and place to be determined by two-thirds of the votes of the members of the General Assembly and by the votes of any nine members of the Security Council.
                          Do you think they will support us?
                          Quote: Bearded
                          The confrontation between Russia and Turkey is not beneficial to our countries

                          nevertheless, she is and her story - centuries
                        5. +7
                          February 28 2020
                          The UN is already breathing. Russia's obstruction could lead to the collapse of the UN and global chaos. It’s easier to merge Turkey than to butt with Russia.
                        6. +6
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Bearded

                          The UN is already breathing.

                          Nevertheless, Russia uses the veto right in the UN Security Council and is unlikely to refuse it. The dream of the States to deprive the Russian Federation of this right. the blockade of the Bosphorus is just that case
                        7. -1
                          February 28 2020
                          To deprive Russia of the veto, it will have to be expelled from the UN. The expulsion from the UN of 1/7 of the land will turn it from a world organization into a regional one, and will disrupt the entire post-war world structure. And then what? Third World and New United League of Nations? Will China want to deprive Russia of the veto? Hardly.
                        8. +6
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Bearded
                          she will have to be expelled from the UN.

                          not at all. I brought you an article of the UN Charter above
                        9. -1
                          February 28 2020
                          How does Russia react if two-thirds of the participating countries want to change the UN Charter and strip it of its veto?
                          We have already been stripped of our votes in the Council of Europe. Russia is likely to suspend its membership in the UN. The same stinger, only in profile.
                        10. +1
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Silvestr
                          What will the UN say?

                          The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail. In any case, in the event of a conflict between Turkey and Russia, Turkey will lose much more. In addition, in Turkey itself, Erdogan’s affairs are not very political.
                        11. +5
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: orionvitt
                          The UN says a lot of things, and for the most part, it's all to no avail.


                          it's you in vain. And Russia values ​​its place in the Security Council
                        12. 0
                          February 28 2020
                          There are two structures, the UN assembly and the UN Security Council. The first is useless (especially recently), but all the main problems are solved just in the second. The first one has long been able to hammer a bolt. However, the second too. The remaining members of the Security Council spit on the opinion of Russia.
                        13. +5
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Silvestr

                          got it. But you must admit, now it’s simply impossible! thereby stalling world trade. More than 50 thousand vessels of all countries of the world pass through the Bosphorus annually - 160 vessels per day! What will the UN say? After all, you can get a complete obstruction

                          From an article in the internet: "At the end of the 70s, Turkey announced that it was considering the issue of closing the passage through the Bosporus in the Mediterranean for Soviet warships. To this statement, Comrade Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko (Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR from 1957 to 1985) said at a cocktail party in the White House to American journalists that for the passage in the Mediterranean the USSR Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of missile volleys. As a result, in addition to the Bosphorus, there will be two more passages in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. never raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to Soviet warships. " hi
                        14. 0
                          February 29 2020
                          But there is another option besides mining. You can start training exercises at the exit from the Bosphorus since the Black Sea Fleet still has nowhere to swim. Necessarily with rocket firing the closure of the water area and all that. Duration longer. And all under international law. And the fact that it will become uncomfortable for someone to swim there is their problem. At the same time, it will be possible to keep an eye on freedom of navigation, and if in Turkey there is a war, then you never know who and what can happen in the Bosphorus, a tanker there accidentally dives.
                        15. 0
                          February 28 2020
                          Sylvester, tomorrow is today, but only tomorrow. wink
            2. +6
              February 28 2020
              I’ve seen enough on the map at school, but it’s like that. It is possible this way and that, delivery time. Critical will have to be through the air, which is fraught to be accompanied. With a massive, accentuated strike on our bases in Syria, we will have losses, God forbid. The issue is not in the provision itself, but in what would the initiative be seized. Work ahead of the curve. Constantly responding to provocations_ we work with the second number. We can have big problems.
              1. -2
                February 28 2020
                attack on the base of Russia, this is military aggression against Russia actually.
                for some reason, in these in your and similar comments, something like this:
                * Turkey blocks the straits, but Russia does not block or block it, because Turkish trade will suffer, and this is not comme il faut.
                * Turkey attacks planes, the base of the Russian Federation (actually the base in Syria, this is a piece of Syria, which is officially Russian)

                and it does it because of tararampararam, it’s afraid of NATO ....... hmm.
                Responding constantly to provocations is WHAT ?? For provocations just do not answer yet. The Turks beat the Syrians, hiding behind their bases and flags ... it is ugly, unfairly looks in my opinion, there is no justice or something ...
            3. -1
              February 28 2020
              Yes, yes, with DV just carry super! one or two - and they’ve already brought everything))
            4. +3
              February 28 2020
              The key two points are time and cost. Agree through the World Cup, much more profitable. With the same success, you can buy on the spot (if someone sells).
              1. -1
                February 28 2020
                It’s easy to sell, there’s just an assortment ... not that meager, not the latest models. Although the question of money (as always) would be a lot of dough, the police would have sold us something, or even PMCs got their banners under our banner, but with money we are even worse than with that strait.
                1. 0
                  February 28 2020
                  I mean, to buy some goods on the spot would be clearly cheaper than to drive them by sea from the Baltic Sea or even more so from the Far East!
                  1. 0
                    February 28 2020
                    I understood you, well, in all seriousness, the BK nomenclature for tanks and artillery, and in theory the MLRS can also be bought and obtained on the spot, food and some other equipment, maybe air bombs, are out of the question. Well, about the cartridges for the shooter, RPGs without any problems. But then again, what volume would be required in the event of an alleged war?
            5. -3
              February 29 2020
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              to Syria by sea can also be from the Baltic

              And do not remind who controls Gibraltar? Is the passage through Suez free and free? For the Syrian express, we bought Turkish rusty barges. Now we will buy junks from the Chinese?
          2. 0
            February 28 2020
            The Turks on the Black Sea coast have bases. The straits do not interfere with striking them.
        3. +20
          February 28 2020
          This is tantamount to declaring war on Russia, which Erdogan will lose.


          Yes, only the Turks say. They are shy, they will not get into a fight. Here is a story from a close past:

          It was 1982, and the Bulgarian government adopted a program to rename the names of Bulgarian Turks, from Turkish to Bulgarian. And then they kicked out half a million to Turkey ...

          So, in 1984, they went wild in Ankara, began to scare us, cried at the UN, and wherever .... they put the Turkish army on alert .... and received the mobilized Bulgarian army at 24 hours at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

          And with you they won’t climb at all - it can be very painful there, even up to the emergence of the southern Constantinople military district. There, the Crimea will be completely behind you .. laughing
          1. +12
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            and at 24 hours they received a mobilized Bulgarian army at their border. Then they immediately pulled their tail and went to the barracks as if nothing had happened.

            So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.
            1. +9
              February 28 2020
              Quote: Serwid
              So the Warsaw Pact was behind you. They were not afraid of you.

              Turkey has joined NATO since 1952. But NATO then also said "on your own ... on your own ... on your own ..." and the plans turned sharply. Someone just made a false start. Doesn't it remind you of any situation and country?
        4. +11
          February 28 2020
          "Turkey has the right to close the Bosphorus only in case of an official declaration of war, and even then only for the passage of warships, exclusively at night and in a situation when Turkey itself is a belligerent in relation to countries whose ships and vessels intend to pass through the straits." ...
          PS "To pass through the Mediterranean, the Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of missile salvoes, as a result of which, in addition to the Bosphorus, there will be two more passages, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul."
          USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko.
          1. 0
            February 28 2020
            Now is not the USSR
          2. +7
            February 28 2020
            Quote: knn54
            USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko

            so it is LOUD! And now Lavrov
            1. +1
              February 28 2020
              I would rephrase a little, then the USSR. And now, Russia.
          3. +2
            February 28 2020
            The whole USSR with its Armed Forces and the Navy was behind Gromyko. Today the Russian Federation is not even a distant reminder of the USSR, but quite the opposite both in terms of the Armed Forces and the Navy, the economy, and the political situation in the world (that is, at least without the Warsaw Pact countries). No, the "loud" words of Gromyko are history, today (and even earlier) scarecrows must be supported not only by the amount of weapons in the country, but also by the economy (and whether the country will be able to continue and for how long). And this is not and is not observed on the horizon of the Russian Federation.
          4. 0
            February 28 2020
            I don’t know where this quote comes from, but the convention says completely different
      2. +9
        February 28 2020
        he has been persistently doing this lately, why it’s not clear, but it’s more interesting what to do, and it’s bad to fight the Turks and not to fight, if they go to aggravation, it’s bad, but it’s probably worse to retreat
        1. 0
          February 28 2020
          Quote: _Ugene_
          but more interesting is what should we do

          Good question. There is no obvious answer, except: "Zhahnem!"
          Because after "Zhahnem" the following question arises: What's next?
          Let's hope for a tricky plan ..
        2. +9
          February 28 2020
          I wonder what we do with the Turks


          According to the situation, they decide whether they want war - they get it, while Russia always stands for a peaceful solution to complex issues.

          Turkey must leave Syria for good or bad.
        3. +4
          February 28 2020
          As Putin said: "If a fight is inevitable, hit first."
          1. +2
            February 28 2020
            yes he said a lot of things
      3. +7
        February 28 2020
        Quote: newbie
        In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

        Nothing like an airplane - will do. He pokes his warm nose into the palm of the GDP - and he will be forgiven ... That's what the calculation is for. He doesn't even have politics - pure trade. It sells like melons - "buy - not buy", "expensive - not expensive."

        Eastern Bazaar - it is the bazaar.
        1. +5
          February 28 2020
          Unfortunately, this is not understood in another way - the East.
        2. +7
          February 28 2020
          Nothing like a plane - will cost.


          It wasn’t worth it - dozens of killed Turkish soldiers, and they were killed in Syria, where no one called Turkey.

          And the introduction of armed forces into the territory of another state is an armed invasion, a war.

          Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.
          1. 0
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Erdogan brewed disgusting porridge - let it now disintegrate. Russia cannot defeat him and NATO will not help him.

            Once a neighbor of the Turks, relying heavily on NATO assistance, tried to make war with Russia. It all ended with a chewed tie. Does Erdogan have many ties? Is there something to chew? I can help - I don't know the taste, but there is a choice of colors. I can even offer a "butterfly".

            Of course, Turkey is not Georgia, it will not do here for three days. But Erdogan is not Mishiko - does not go to war with a nuclear power. I think it will not reach chewing ties in Ankara.
            1. 0
              February 28 2020
              Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...
              1. +1
                February 28 2020
                Quote: Spartak
                Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...

                I didn’t sit in the trenches, yes, behind the stones. And not under artillery - under mortars. When they knew about buttons only in the elevator.

                The age has long been drafted, even in the military enlistment office they have already written off. Although skills, health and strength were still very few. It will be necessary - and I will find young people what to teach. Surprised yet.
              2. -6
                February 28 2020
                Sitting in trenches under artillery salvos, not knocking on buttons. After all, you can volunteer there. Although yes, it’s easier on the couch with the buttons ...


                Have you written a message right from the tank or the trench? From Turkish or Ukrainian?
      4. -4
        February 28 2020
        Quote: newbie
        In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

        AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?
        1. -10
          February 28 2020
          Quote: MyVrach
          Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

          The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.
          It’s enough to sink one large ship ....
          1. +2
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Genry
            It’s enough to sink one large ship ....

            Soooo And then what?
            1. -4
              February 28 2020
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              And then what?

              Destabilization of Turkey ...
              1. 0
                February 28 2020
                Quote: Genry
                Destabilization of Turkey ...

                Describe in more detail?
                It seems to me that this takes time, well, to organize all this on a scale that could significantly affect such a state.
                And what do you think?
                And that's not it! We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.
                1. -4
                  February 28 2020
                  Describe in more detail?

                  A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary? crying
                  1. 0
                    February 28 2020
                    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                    A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

                    As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...
                    How do you think events will develop further?
                    1. -6
                      February 28 2020
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      How do you think events will develop further?

                      So Putin promised them to go to heaven. Seriously, even, I emphasize, EVEN in the event of a direct war between Russia and Turkey, no one will use nuclear weapons and, moreover, arrange a world nuclear apocalypse. They crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.
                      When will these little things calm down? In fact, as children are small.
                      1. -5
                        February 28 2020
                        Quote: kjhg
                        crumble each other a little and sign another peace treaty.

                        You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?
                        And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us? Let's say blockade.
                        We need to defeat NATO in this case.
                        1. -5
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          You mean the Turks and the Syrians will sign, or the Turks and Russia?

                          Of course, Turks and Russians.
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          And if the US takes advantage of this, what would push through the EU sanctions against us?

                          It is very possible.
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          Let's say blockade.

                          But this is unlikely. Well, first of all, Russia is too huge for them to give us a complete blockade. Secondly, it will cause very big problems in Europe itself. Thirdly, a cornered animal is much more dangerous. And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.
                        2. -1
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: kjhg
                          And Russia, if driven into a corner, can do a lot of things.

                          I agree of course, but will it be easier for us?
                          In any case, optimists.
                    2. 0
                      February 28 2020
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      As I understand it, you are saying that we crave ...

                      zhahnut be sure. when all the "power" packs their suitcases and sit on the planes ... and until they move, there will be another expression of concern.
                  2. 0
                    February 29 2020
                    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                    A "nuclear suitcase" with codes is not necessary?

                    Do you (you) have it?
                2. -2
                  February 28 2020
                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  We need the Turkish stream more than Turkey, I think so.

                  This is where you are wrong. Well there, Turkey needs Turkish tomatoes more than Russia. So are the Turkish resorts. Russia will somehow turn over without them. But Turkey, without gas, is somehow not very much and Azerbaijan will not help much here. In the east, if there is a choice between loss of face and money, money is usually chosen. Soon we will hear something like "Wah, why did he say so badly, we are peaceful people, let's do it."
              2. -1
                February 28 2020
                You are so cool fighting from the sofa)))) and in general, until the fascist boot of the Ottomans will trample our Constantinople))
              3. -2
                February 28 2020
                You can put "-", you can "+".
                You just have to UNDERSTAND that for Turkey, Idlib is like Donbass for us.
                And the Syrian, Turkish borders and the borders of Ukraine were cut, as it were, without taking into account the national borders of residence.
                Russia, of course, can defeat Turkey ..
                But you have to think, what next? Us that Idlib Turkomans are native?
                Or does Assad pay a pension to our pensioners? They kept power to him, let him say thanks.
                Let's take care of your loved ones. Can we start from Donbass?
          2. -1
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Genry
            The prohibition of passage for Russia - automatically means the complete closure of the strait for everyone.

            Explain why this is Turkey? I don’t see a problem, why the Turks will not be able to pass ships of other Black Sea countries? When Russian ships request permission to pass, they will be refused. Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.
            I really would not want this, but such a scenario is becoming more and more real.
            1. -2
              February 28 2020
              And if such tricks of ours are consumed, then this will be the end of Russia.
              1. -2
                February 28 2020
                Oh, I don’t need about the end of Russia, a red line, an incident of Belli. Our country passed through everything, but, thank God, it still exists and will exist for a long time. Yes, this will complicate our lives, but there is nothing critical about this, especially since it will all be temporary. In this case, Turkey itself will receive big problems.
            2. -2
              February 28 2020
              Quote: kjhg
              I don't see a problem

              You have not read ....

              And stopping the activities of the Bosphorus will lead to huge costs, for Turkey, without making a profit.
            3. +1
              February 28 2020
              Quote: kjhg
              Ships of other countries will calmly pass through the straits, as before.

              You say that only Turkey can block the straits. With the same success, Russia can do this, and for all .. In case of war, of course. Declare the straits a war zone and no one in their right mind will stick up.
              1. -2
                February 28 2020
                Not so easy
                The Straits - the territory of Turkey, which means it is legally a declaration of war on Turkey
                1. +1
                  February 28 2020
                  Quote: Avior
                  then this is legally a declaration of war on Turkey

                  Can you read? Wrote in black and white
                  In case of war, of course.
                  If it comes to this, there will be no territory of Turkey, there will only be enemy territory.
                  1. 0
                    February 28 2020
                    I am able
                    And you?
                    Turkey can block the straits without declaring war on anyone - the convention allows it
                    But any actions of other countries in the straits is an attack on Turkey.
                    1. -1
                      February 28 2020
                      Convention allows
                      According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "in imminent danger of war",
                      A highly extensible concept. And the closure of the straits will be regarded by Russia as a direct declaration of war.
                      1. +2
                        February 28 2020
                        It will be regarded by all as written
                        And it is written plainly that under the convention it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not
                        And a threat is a threat, not a war
                        1. -1
                          February 28 2020
                          Quote: Avior
                          it is Turkey that decides what is a threat to it and what is not

                          Yes, who would argue, let him decide. You can only reach the zugunder. Erdogan already reminds Lukashenko of something, he went completely off the coils. To goodness, it certainly will not bring.
          3. 0
            February 28 2020
            It’s enough to sink one large ship ....
            Was there a bridge there? Or no? It can fall into the water. Instead, or with a boat.
        2. +2
          February 28 2020
          Quote: MyVrach
          Quote: newbie
          In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

          AS? Nuclear weapon a new strait of a prophet?

          Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

          Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war
          So why should we be shy?
          1. +2
            February 28 2020
            Why not? At least promise. There, in the next news

            How everyone was alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.
            I'll try and I
            cooler title " Information is received from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ....
            ... considers it a strategic need to ensure the supply of the Crimean group in addition to the bridge across the land part of Ukraine. And also access to the Bosphorus Strait through Bulgaria. With a probable exit to Kaliningrad through the Baltic States .. It is not excluded that the eastern direction through the Caspian-Iran-Iraq "
            1. 0
              February 28 2020
              Quote: dauria
              How everyone got alarmed over the internet nonsense composed for the sake of the views.

              It seems like there’s even a video
              1. +4
                February 28 2020
                It seems like there’s even a video

                Turkish Ambassador brought an ultimatum to the Kremlin? Or ".... eleven" divisions were removed from their places of permanent deployment, a "full" degree announced?
                Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

                Officially block the straits - it will be after all preparations , not before. When everything will be clear to everyone without ambassadors. Even to me, an old fool who is farther than his native beerhouse and does not go anywhere.
                1. +1
                  February 28 2020
                  Quote: dauria
                  Turkish Ambassador brought an ultimatum to the Kremlin? Or ".... eleven" divisions were removed from their places of permanent deployment, a "full" degree announced?
                  Maybe Turkish officers have been transferred to the barracks position, and the ambassadors are packing their suitcases .... Wives and families of the top rushed from the capital?

                  The German ambassador brought the paper in the 41st to the Kremlin when the Luftwaffe was already bombing Kiev. And the officers in the barracks position - so they also passed - "not to give in to provocations" ... hi
            2. -1
              February 28 2020
              Yeah .... maybe Alaska will be swung ??? Dreams are free fun ...
        3. -2
          February 28 2020
          What are you talking about? I believe that it is better for everyone to Erdogan to come to his senses and listen to his generals, otherwise they will get over the ears. We will get another war with the Turks, of course we will defeat with great blood. After all, as usual in the Black Sea there will be a support group for the Turks from the west. But Turkey may simply disappear, this is what Erdogan should understand, given modern technology.
          1. -1
            February 28 2020
            And if we throw up weapons to the Kurds in the same way that Turkey supplies Barmaleeva in Syria? Then Turkey will not be at all before the war.
        4. -3
          February 28 2020
          If they close the strait .... nothing can be done! Strength will not help here, for Turkey - the United States. Without the delivery of the Syrian express, Assad and the entire Russian group in Syria will not be held for long!
      5. +16
        February 28 2020
        Quote: newbie
        In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

        Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire
        1. -1
          February 28 2020
          Quote: Vladimir B.
          Erdogan drove himself to a standstill at the moment when he imagined himself a sultan and began to dream about the revival of the Ottoman Empire

          This is YES, not a hat for Senka. I can’t even imagine how modern Turkey can regain the lands of the former Ottoman Empire? If it’s not even Russia, it’s definitely not beneficial for Israel, which means the United States and England. They will arrange for the sultan SUCH an economic crisis that Recep will gobble up their own hungry fellow citizens.
      6. 0
        February 28 2020
        In Ankara, they thought about closing the Black Sea straits for Russian ships

        An attempt to stop any military convoy of the Russian Federation going through the strait automatically becomes a casus belli for our aircraft. Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this. But civilian ships may have problems with the passage of the Bosphorus.
        1. -4
          February 28 2020
          Quote: Fedor Egoist
          Erdogan is now in hysterics, but he wants to live, so he certainly won’t get to this.

          Oh oh Never say never! Already after all this story with stab in the back, do not get off with tomatoes, sponsor of terrorismthen again friend Recep, strategic partner, trojan horse in NATOand now again nedosultan, nuclear weapons and other nonsense, again to say that this will not happen, is very reckless. As history shows us, everything is possible, and sometimes even that which is not possible.
      7. 0
        February 28 2020
        Russia is being driven into a dead end. Not all cards are revealed. It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.
        1. +2
          February 28 2020
          Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
          It would be nice to be resolved diplomatically. The task of Russia is the elimination of terrorists, and not a war with states. The situation repeats itself in the mid-19th century.

          Well, if diplomatically.

          Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees. For the whole 75 years no one has tried to conquer Russia, the army was not allowed on it.

          However, for the whole 75 years they didn’t get too tough on the teeth so that they spill their teeth into underpants. Let them try, stretch themselves ...
          1. +1
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Only, according to the West - the West sat idle, right up to an ache in the knees.

            I agree, I was sitting up. He wants action and thinking and remembering history at this time is somehow not a leisure time. But open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.
            1. 0
              February 28 2020
              Quote: DenZ
              open war, I think they won’t go, but they will specifically strangle.

              But didn’t they choke us?
              Choked, choked, choked, choked ... (c)

              And what's the use?
              Yeprst, Trump has imposed so many sanctions that he himself does not remember how much. And when did we live without sanctions?
              The information war? So they have been leading it since the time of Ivan the Terrible, if not earlier. We got used to their barking ... The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
          2. 0
            February 28 2020
            If only those who brewed everything, from Obama, Klintosh and to all sorts of rubbish of the "Western backstage", got even in the teeth with "calibers". They will shed the blood of ordinary guys no matter what nationality. The backstage will sit quietly and happily with champagne, and give you popcorn. Russia does not need war with anyone and anywhere. All centuries the war has hampered Russian development, and not only 75 years ago.
      8. +2
        February 28 2020
        In all cases, he has a better situation than ours
      9. +3
        February 28 2020
        Quote: newbie
        In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

        Erdogan has zugzwang. Retreat yourselves eaten with giblets, not retreat - the holiday season is on the nose, and you need to trade tomatoes, you want S-400, etc. etc. So a poor little card scratches his turnips and thinks that at the next coup Vova will call ... Or not .... What to do ??? hi
      10. -1
        February 28 2020
        We have few trump cards, the situation is bad
    2. +18
      February 28 2020
      They don’t want their fighters-Nehru to die, climb wherever they asked. Do not sit at home.
    3. +11
      February 28 2020
      Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
      There will stop the flow of tourists. Here in Cairo will be delighted ..
      1. +14
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

        not yet, but close to that.
        1. +3
          February 28 2020
          I don’t really understand this, I don’t want to hit my chest with my heels, but I think that Turkey is best to be neutral in everything.
      2. +5
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
        .


        While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...
        1. +3
          February 28 2020
          I agree. We must wait for official statements, and not some "media discussing".
          1. +4
            February 28 2020
            Nobody has canceled the information war yet ...
        2. +3
          February 28 2020
          Quote: cniza
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..
          .

          While it looks more like a provocation ..., there are no statements from officials ...

          Erdogan's advisor is far from Erdogan, and there was no "official paper" with the declaration of war. But here, in the next news

          Advisor to Erdogan: Turkey fought with Russia 16 times and is ready to enter a new war
          By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.
          1. +3
            February 28 2020
            He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...
            1. +1
              February 28 2020
              Quote: cniza
              He (Sultan) will then say that he dismissed the adviser and cut off his ears ...

              This they can easily arrange. There, the Saudis killed their citizen Khashoggi and dismembered right at the embassy in Turkey. So that...
        3. +8
          February 28 2020
          Quote: cniza
          em statements from officials ...

          Zhirinovsky also speaks with us, and then comes true
          1. +1
            February 28 2020
            Zhirinovsky is completely different, but here is clearly a provocation ...
            1. +6
              February 28 2020
              Quote: cniza
              but here is clearly a provocation ...

              I mean that. that sometimes through unofficial persons they say what the authorities themselves cannot say. I don’t think that some Turk got into the box and started broadcasting without Erdogan’s support
              1. +3
                February 28 2020
                They say, but you can say different things, I mean the subtext ...
      3. +3
        February 28 2020
        Interesting ... Is this a declaration of war? ..

        This is crap from the Internet for the sake of views. "Someone, somewhere, somewhere said that they say Montreux will be blocked"
        And the title to match "In Ankara Thinking ..." Who exactly? Drunk taxi driver or foreign minister brought an ultimatum?
    4. -5
      February 28 2020
      ok military. but there, I remember, there was a point that non-military ships adapted for transporting fuel can be equated with military ones. and this is an economic blow to the Novorossiysk port.
    5. -18
      February 28 2020
      Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona
      1. -2
        February 28 2020
        I just want to say "isgreklibry".
        all that can be done is to complain to the United Nations and 2/3 of the votes of the Security Council to lift the Turkish ban.
      2. 0
        February 28 2020
        Nothing caliber and iskander will solve the situation, and possibly tsikrona

        Wow, how many interesting names you know. But what Turkish Turks are NATO members? NATO certainly will not go into open war, but will support its member in every way by inserting a stick into the wheels.
        1. -8
          February 28 2020
          Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily. Yes, and NATO will not climb into the war because of the ambitions of the Sultan
          1. +2
            February 28 2020
            Yes, and do not care for this NATO, we will ruin it easily.

            How's the sofa you're sitting on right now? Campaign spring exacerbation, urgently on a bump in the clinic.
          2. +3
            February 28 2020
            Usually, such reports come from people who have seen the database either on a TV screen or a computer. Please specify, who are these "you" that NATO will destroy?
            1. 0
              February 28 2020
              Yes, that's right, I'm a battlefield veteran where I destroy everyone
    6. +13
      February 28 2020
      It was only Andrei Andreevich Gromyko who could put the Turks in place, promising that the Soviet navy would make a new strait on the site of Istanbul with one rocket zappa! And the Turks then forgot about the desire to close the straits for the USSR fleet. It is a pity that our fleet does not have the Gromyko missile cruiser!
      1. 0
        February 28 2020
        This is when the Bosphorus should become a little wider? hi
      2. +1
        February 28 2020
        Having spilled from Turkey, and now in 15 minutes you can do it, but no one, only traders in power.
    7. 0
      February 28 2020
      Closing the straits will lead to their expansion .... and a change in nationality.
    8. +2
      February 28 2020
      Turkey is already openly massively destroying the Syrian tanks, artillery and other things to great depths from the front zone from Idlib. On Turkish television there is a live broadcast of strikes (UAV video) Everything is very serious. The Syrian army suffers very large losses. Now the situation is even more dangerous than when the Turks shot down our SU-24 and killed the pilot.

      1. -4
        February 28 2020
        let them knead each other
    9. +2
      February 28 2020
      All of this can end badly. At least for our group in Syria. For without supply, the supply will deteriorate sharply. Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.
      1. +1
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Wave nuclear club? It is unlikely that this will impress the Turks.

        Very likely. It is unlikely that this will come to Turkey and Syria.
    10. -18
      February 28 2020
      Let the straits, even a nuclear war, but not tomatoes!
      Thank C400, we will pay extra for gas, we will build a nuclear power plant on loan as much as we like - all for the sake of tomatoes!
      1. +2
        February 28 2020
        Respected! You didn’t hit your head hard today? Less from me .. Not funny ..
        1. -3
          February 28 2020
          Quote: VadimLives
          Dear!

          As you, however, Vadim, respectfully with a computer program ... wassat
    11. +5
      February 28 2020
      A normal check of the strength of the eggs of the Russian leadership.
      Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.

      I will not rush into assumptions - the range of possibilities is still wide, although, naturally, with every real action (not a threat, but an action) it narrows quite significantly.
      1. -12
        February 28 2020
        Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.
        The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.
        1. +2
          February 28 2020
          Quote: God save the King
          Our kind like "Makarov" and "Grigorovich" decided to check the same parameter with Erdi.
          The emergency evacuation of the fleet from the Black Sea puddle can hardly be called a test of someone's eggs.

          Why would it be the evacuation of something ?! On the contrary, promotion to the Mediterranean theater.
        2. +1
          February 28 2020
          Hey tow truck Theophan! Sites are not messed up by accident? Does the pan not shake?
    12. -2
      February 28 2020
      So we can block tourists and tomatoes, it seems financial problems in Turkey?
    13. +2
      February 28 2020
      Quote: newbie
      In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

      Trying to work on two fronts., Or even more fronts.
      At the Libyan theater, while losing drones.
      “The Turkish army has lost three large unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in Syria and Libya in the past 48 hours. The first drone was shot down on Tuesday, February 25, over southern Idlib. A few hours later, units of the Libyan National Army (LNA) under the command of Marshal Khalifa Haftar announced the destruction of a Turkish drone that flew from Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli. The LNA later published a video of the UAV crash site.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/02/27/haftar-postavil-erdogana-na-koleni-turciya-poteryala-za-dva-dnya-tri-drona?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
    14. +12
      February 28 2020
      Actually, this is a strong spit in the direction of Russia, this is complete disrespect and non-recognition of the authority of Russia, such matters are fraught with consequences for Russia itself.
      I would understand the situation if the SAA declares war, the jihad of Turkey, and for Erdogad it would be a matter of honor to defend the homeland.
      But when they enter a foreign country, on far-fetched pretexts, in order to seize territories, establish their influence and will, despite the fact that there is already a strong player who himself decided to eat a local pie, this means that the Turks do not recognize the strength and power of Russia they don’t care what the Russians have tasks there, their Wishlist is important to them and they will get what they want.
      You can throw me hats or in our case minuses, but I think that without a tough answer, this should not be left.
      1. -5
        February 28 2020
        there is almost nothing to answer, but no, let's not go to them! Option 2, we will not buy tomatoes))
      2. +5
        February 28 2020
        without a tough answer, this should not be left.

        The fact is that apart from economic levers, Russia has nothing more to do than give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists".
        1. 0
          February 28 2020
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          without a tough answer, this should not be left.

          The fact is that apart from economic levers, Russia has nothing more to do than give a tough answer. And Turkey is most likely ready for these economic measures this time. Remembering the experience of "tomatoes and tourists".

          Tourists and tomatoes, the Turks will survive. Unpleasant, but no more. But Russia's reputation, military and geopolitical risks are extremely high. Let’s retreat - sit in front of the whole world in a puddle. On the other hand, what the escalation could lead to is unknown. Not zugzwang, of course, but the position is complicated.
    15. +2
      February 28 2020
      Did he really clean everything up so well that he no longer feared a new coup attempt?
    16. +1
      February 28 2020
      And why aren't they sitting there? And I will say why, under the hood, the US and NATO feel their impunity. One on one Turkey would never go against Russia. We need to take into account this creeping snake policy of the countries of the new axis.
    17. -3
      February 28 2020
      The rich have their own quirks ... request laughing
    18. -5
      February 28 2020
      Yura Shvytkin, you think in case it comes to blocking the strait.
    19. +3
      February 28 2020
      No panic, everything is calm in the straits. smile
      SEVASTOPOL, February 28. / TASS /. The frigates "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" of the Black Sea Fleet (Black Sea Fleet) pass the Bosporus and Dardanelles on their way to the Mediterranean Sea, where the Black Sea Fleet ship of this series, the Admiral Essen, is already located, the Black Sea Fleet Information Support Department reported.
      1. +5
        February 28 2020
        Bon voyage to our sailors! May God grant them seven feet under the keel and a speedy return to their native marinas safe and sound!
    20. +10
      February 28 2020
      "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" pass the straits
      1. -17
        February 28 2020
        Just a perfect illustration of the REAL combat value of the Black Sea Fleet, as such.
        Either flee north before the straits are closed, or it is useless to rot in the port - that’s his whole lot.
        The same applies to BF.
        1. -11
          February 28 2020
          6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))
          1. +4
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            6 calibers from one corvette in Turkey and there is no Istanbul and other cities))))

            In your dreams, Gauges, of course, with special warheads must be applied)?
            1. -4
              February 28 2020
              not in dreams but in case of war, but without war, freely pass from the black and the Baltic
    21. +3
      February 28 2020
      According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger", then it can decide to close the straits.

      Did Turkey read the text of the military doctrine of the Russian Federation? In that part, if someone suddenly dares to prevent Russia from possessing sovereignty, statehood, and other attributes of a free country, can the issue of whether the straits belong to anyone be resolved in a very simple and cardinal way - the formation of a new Byzantine state and the restoration of Constantinople? belay
      Simple such "bitter" Turkish guys ... Here, just recently, one "filly" tried to show its zeal and arrogance. They pretended that the cinch burst, and the fleet is still in the American registries.
      It may become, and Erdogan on this earth is not eternal ...
    22. HAM
      +4
      February 28 2020
      Nobody canceled the interest of the Yankers. If they decided to bang Erdogan, they bang ... only now Erdogan himself is pouring water into the American mill and therefore they need him... as soon as there are signs of reconciliation, wait for either protests in Turkey or a military coup in general ... In my opinion, Erdogan still hit the Yankees on a kukan ..
    23. +1
      February 28 2020
      This right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger", then it can decide to close the straits.

      Turkey alone cannot close. She must apply to the UN Security Council
      with evidence of threats. UN Security Council - approves if 2/3 of the votes are "For".
      Any country of the permanent members of the UN Security Council (there are five of them - Russia, China, USA, England, France) may block the decision. So says the Montreux Convection of 1936.
      1. +7
        February 28 2020
        Just like that, in the convention of 36 years, it is written: is the UN Security Council deciding? Are you confusing anything?
        1. 0
          February 28 2020
          astepanov ....Rightly so in the convention of 36 years and it is written: the decision is made by the UN Security Council? Are you confusing anything?

          For this, the Montreux Convection of 1936 was adopted so that not a single state rules the Bosphorus, since the Black Sea basin includes 4 more states - the USSR (Russia), Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria. For this and regulated the rules. In 1993, this Convention was prolonged.
          So, the cries of Turkish politicians - to close the strait, a pure bluff to the public. Yes hi
      2. +2
        February 28 2020
        It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.
        1. -1
          February 28 2020
          1washntwn ....It is more likely that Turkey will not close, but open the passage for NATO ships of any tonnage and class.

          The passage of warships is also regulated by the Convention. The passage of warships of non-Black Sea basin countries is limited by a stay of 21 days and a total displacement of not more than 30 thousand tons. and it doesn’t matter whose ships are NATO, USA or China, etc.)Yes hi
          1. +2
            February 28 2020
            You describe peacetime. Read articles 20-21 of the Convention where Turkey recognizes itself as a belligerent. "... at your discretion"
    24. -2
      February 28 2020
      As it was sung in an old student song, "Love has passed, tomatoes have withered."
    25. 0
      February 28 2020
      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/20202281122-r1Syx.html
    26. +3
      February 28 2020
      Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, then they will receive from the cabins from the heart, and no gas pipelines and nuclear power plants will save Erdogan. Does anyone doubt Russia's military response? Georgia, Ukraine also thought so. All this talk about the second army in NATO, this is all before the first serious clash. It’s one thing to fight the Kurds, and it’s another thing to catch missiles at all your strategic sites. The Turkish General Staff must understand that the United States will not rush to save them.
      1. +2
        February 28 2020
        When the Turks shot down the Russian SU-24, a pilot and a special forces soldier died - was Russia’s military response? Where did you get such confidence?
      2. +1
        February 28 2020
        Nobody will fight with Turkey only from Idlib. If the Turks try to attack our military, they will receive
        And if the Turks will not "attack наших military "? Is it just that they will break the SAR from the heart and establish their protectorate over Idlib? Well, and out of the blue, will they walk, in general, at all the objects on the territory of Syria, which they consider necessary, and which they can reach?
        What kind then will be our actions? Honestly, I don’t see a wide range of effective and real countermeasures in this situation. But our reputational costs can be impressive.
    27. -3
      February 28 2020
      and the presidential palace of the new padishah and Incirlik in the radius of calibers? if yes, then all the rules and this is a plus minus the sewerage
    28. -1
      February 28 2020
      The Turkish Defense Minister said: "Despite the fact that the location of our military was coordinated with the Russian side. An air attack was organized on our military, despite the warning, our forces were again attacked. During these air attacks, even ambulances were under attack. During the air attack around our military, there were no groups of anti-Assad forces. After the treacherous attack, immediately our aviation, UAVs and ground forces destroyed 200 targets of the Assad regime. As a result, destroyed 5 helicopters, 23 tanks, 10 BMPs, 23 artillery units of various calibers, 5 trucks with ammunition, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M1, headquarters and several warehouses with weapons and provisions and 309 regime soldiers. The strikes will continue, the blood of the martyrs will not remain unrevenged. "
      1. +2
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Lek3338
        , the blood of martyrs will not remain unaffected "

        And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs? feel
        1. 0
          February 28 2020
          Quote: Tank Hard
          And in what place did the Turkish military fighting in the country of Syria, against government troops, suddenly become martyrs?
          The Turks who died for their homeland a priori shahids, I have no question, I just quoted. To hell with these minuses do not care about them, but just wondering why the minus? In gratitude, what did Akara quickly translate? and filled the information gap on the opposite side? If someone shares quotes with information, this is a quote, not his personal opinion. But who can you explain to VO here? The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote, madhouse in a word
          Quote: serzh.kost
          Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...
          1. -2
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Lek3338
            The Turks killed for the homeland a priori shahids

            Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks ... laughing
            1. +2
              February 28 2020
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Yeah, Syria is already the birthplace of the Turks

              For the Turkic motherland, a loose concept, especially a Turk with an imperial past. However, as for the Russian, whose father arrived 60 years ago (for example), Kamchatka and is already outraged by the visitors))) In this you are similar to the Turks.
          2. 0
            February 28 2020
            Quote: Lek3338
            but just wondering why are they mincing?

            Quote: Lek3338
            The campaign needed to add the opinion of the translator does not coincide with the opinion of the author of the quote

            It’s just that you often flicker in comments about Azerbaijan and Turkey, what did you expect? request
            1. 0
              February 28 2020
              It’s very rare about Turkey, very often about Azerbaijan because it’s a citizen. Turkey is not interesting to me at all, I don’t like Turks basically. There is a lot of pathos, but I comment solely on military interest. How is going on and who will defeat Assad, the Russian Federation and Turkey in general I don’t care. But the military is interested in various maneuvers and the reliability of the information. I drop it and wait for a refutation or confirmation then draw conclusions. My conclusions on military issues, the war is a spectacular thing, I’ll tell you, no matter how cynical it sounds.
              1. -1
                February 28 2020
                Quote: Lek3338
                often about Azerbaijan for a citizen.

                Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).
                Quote: Lek3338
                , I do not like the Turks at the heart of. Paphos a lot

                I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples. request
                Quote: Lek3338
                War is a spectacular thing. I’ll tell you, however cynical.

                It depends on what you think for the war and for the entertainment. He survived the "Osh events", "Batken events", "Tulip revolution of 2005". I did not like. However, each - his own. hi
                1. -1
                  February 28 2020
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Here, often an Azerbaijani is a synonym for a Turk, although you seem to be not an Azerbaijani by nationality (if I'm not mistaken).

                  Yes, the Turk himself is for me, this is not a synonym for Turk. Culturally, yes, and there isn’t anthropologically since, genetically, only 11% is a maximum of 20 in Turkey and in Az-ne.
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I come from Kyrgyzstan, and there too, far from everyone considers Turks the fathers of the Turkic peoples.

                  Unambiguously rightly believe, rather the fathers of the Turks are Kyrgyz than vice versa
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  It depends on what you think for the war and for the entertainment. He survived the "Osh events", "Batken events", "Tulip revolution of 2005". I did not like. However, everyone has their own

                  I am sorry, I, too, am not a supporter of ethnic hatred, but war is war. If it started late to drink Borjomi, I’m not a party to this conflict specifically.
          3. +3
            February 28 2020
            That's for sure, madhouse. It doesn’t matter if the author of the post voices his point of view or gives a quote for information, but the only important thing is whether the text came to the taste of the reader. If tomorrow someone writes about bad weather, then they will blame us despite the fact that this is a quote from the official forecast, and the author is not at fault for the crappy weather.
      2. 0
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Lek3338
        200 goals of the Assad regime. As a result, 5 helicopters, 23 tanks, 10 BMPs, 23 artillery pieces of various calibers, 5 ammunition trucks, 1 Pantsir-S1, 1 BUK-M1, a headquarters, and several weapons and provisions stores and 309 regime soldiers were destroyed

        Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets ...
    29. 0
      February 28 2020
      Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they will almost be friends against America, they bought the S-400, etc. In fact, in the truce itself, insoluble contradictions were created that were supposed to lead to escalation, and the Americans knew this very well, because they very skillfully conduct their policies and calculate ahead, not only the Russian authorities - even Belarus and they managed to set themselves against themselves. You can portray Putin as much as you want on a chessboard that beats everyone in geopolitics; fantasies from that will not become reality.
      1. +1
        February 28 2020
        Quote: Karaul14
        Recently it was written here that the signed truce in Syria between the Russian Federation and Turkey (in fact) brought them closer and now they are almost friends

        IMHO, the final, but never Turkey will not be a friend of Russia, like Iran, however.
      2. +1
        February 28 2020
        I do not like liberoids and everything ..... for sure, but in your words there is some truth, both about Turkey and about Belarus. To my great regret. Now there is a huge miscalculation of Russian strategists, analysts and advisers about Erdogan and Turkey itself, its army. Russia has now driven itself into a very poor position.
    30. +2
      February 28 2020
      The Straits is understandable, a serious matter, but the refusal to deploy the S400, if you honestly did not understand what the threat to Russia is, except as a demonstrative protest. Or is it a hint that we will not deploy the S400, by the way, this is exactly what NATO partners are asking us about, you never know what they will ask us about with regards to the S400. But this is also stupid for me. In the meantime, the Turkish media are pumping up "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" with Calibers passing the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, at least so the Russian media write, there will probably be a mess for the weekend.
    31. +1
      February 28 2020
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      By the way, the Germans in the 41st also did not announce anything. Even the ambassador did not bother to take out before the attack.

      By the way, they announced the ambassador and handed over a note declaring war
    32. +1
      February 28 2020
      Turkey may block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles as one of the options for responding to the aggravation of the situation in Syrian Idlib, this possibility is being considered. In addition, Ankara may delay the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This is written by the Turkish media.

      The media can write whatever they want. On this they and the media. Someone was going to wash their boots in the Indian Ocean, UkroSMI is already taking away the Kremlin tomorrow, but what is sometimes written on the fences is generally "HORROR".
      Well, close the straits for warships
      If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority that the measures taken by Turkey in this way are not justified and if the opinion of the majority of the High Contracting Parties to this Convention is the same, the Turkish Government will cancel these measures, as well as those would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention.
      Turks can only with UN permission
    33. +1
      February 28 2020
      No, well, straight rams to the new gate. They have already been clearly explained to them where their place is, and how soon they need to get out, so no, they are still trying to build intrigues ... Why are they all so stupid then ???
    34. 0
      February 28 2020
      Erdogan almost like Hitler entered the war in several directions in Idlib, in Rojava, in Iraq and in Libya. Despite the fact that he has unresolved issues with the army, after a failed conspiracy, there is tension with popularity, and even ambiguous relations with NATO countries. I don’t even know which fortel he can throw
      1. +2
        February 28 2020
        The Russian Federation has no fewer, and even more serious challenges. Many are waiting for all directions (conflict) in the Russian Federation to blaze with a red flame. And such directions in the Russian Federation have done itself for the last gold just a dime a dozen. And then the question of who will pull is not even a question. And Yes - Turkey is a member of NATO, whatever the relationship. But NATO seems to have complied with its agreements no matter what. But in Russia, in compliance with the agreements, the reputation in the world is tarnished (no matter who says it).
        GDP wasted in vain in Syria. I would solve my internal issues. Syria for ordinary Russian families / soldiers / mothers is an empty, unnecessary place. But when the 200s go in packs, the question is: what popularity is guaranteed by GDP, since you care so much about Erdogan’s popularity ?! I think that now the GDP is already not what it was, but soon it will not be left (well, not everyone in Russia agrees to tear ass for Assad, doesn’t it ?! I understand for my country, but for Syria? Why? )
        1. 0
          February 28 2020
          Sorry, but I do not agree with you. Almost all of your allegations are unfounded, especially with regard to Russia. So the stream of consciousness. You have no idea what you're talking about. Understand first questions
    35. 0
      February 28 2020
      It seems that the Turks are starting to go wild.
    36. -2
      February 28 2020
      Quote: newbie
      In my opinion, Erdogan is driving himself into a dead end.

      Erdogan is just next door, worthy of the sun and logistics on his side. And is Erdogan driving himself into a dead end? As you can see, this GDP is now at an impasse, no matter how you say or shout
    37. -2
      February 28 2020
      USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko - instead of the Bosphorus, we can build two more straits, only Istanbul, unfortunately, will not
      That was the answer, they lost such a country ... am
    38. bar
      0
      February 28 2020
      Ankara may postpone deployment of Russian S-400 air defense system

      That scared so scared laughing
      Sultan from anger has ceased to be afraid of the next Gulen coup with the support of the striped, in the case of which he bought these S-400? Hike his roof seriously rides.
    39. -1
      February 28 2020
      The Turks are beginning to practically openly violate international agreements. I wonder if the "Pandora's box" has already opened or is just opening?
      Now an interesting picture is looming. Turkey crushes Syria under itself, and if you remember that Iraq was once a part of the Ottoman Empire, then the neighbors can begin to get nervous looking at this power takeover. After all, they also have Kurds that prevent the Turks from living.
      As I understand it, if the Turks overdo it, then the Russian Federation may receive a second channel for the supply of military equipment and ammunition — the land one. True, how safe is it.
    40. 0
      February 28 2020
      What to expect ....
    41. -2
      February 28 2020
      If they begin to attack massively on our troops, nuclear weapons must be used (it is possible to warn about this in advance and all tourists must be taken out), all these synovas must be put in place, without losses on our part, they must understand that they exist thanks to the patience of our "powers that be." but everything has its own trait.
      1. 0
        February 28 2020
        * Warn. - I got an error from the phone.
    42. +2
      February 28 2020
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      Quote: _Ugene_
      but more interesting is what should we do

      Good question. There is no obvious answer, except: "Zhahnem!"
      Because after "Zhahnem" the following question arises: What's next?
      Let's hope for a tricky plan ..

      What is the plan? All according to circumstances! As with the Crimea.
      First get involved in a fight, and then think about how to get out of hhvna. Moreover, no one says that then they will have to rake more than one year.
      And if the Turks refuse gas? To spite! They can. Who will cover the losses? I get the impression that Putin is tying a knot so that later no one can resolve ... And then the whole country will ask the GDP, as a savior, so that he remains for another ten years?
      Please note that this aggravation coincided with constitutional restructuring.
      Yes, pay attention to what gevolt has risen in VO. Everyone wants to fight? Alien hands? Or how? Ah, yes, we’ll give a whiff of a vigorous bomb ... just go with your brains?
      ... we all drink, but the fleet is not a disgrace?
    43. +1
      February 28 2020
      Turks can and will close as soon as they decide. it has long been known, but when exactly, now it has become clear. the one who told us about everything for 20 years no longer lives in this world ... but his words are only now beginning to appear in action. if the Turks remembered covenant, it means they will take advantage of its agreements regardless of the conditions of the war in Idlib province. the province is an excuse .. and the reason lies in the inm. so that the Turks will block the straits. be ready for this. Yes
    44. -1
      February 28 2020
      In Ankara, thought about closing

      Better not to think about it .. And remember the words of Kosygin about the second strait))))
    45. AB
      0
      February 28 2020
      The Turks are a nation of traders and that’s it ...
    46. 0
      February 28 2020
      so you can close the access to swim after the strait in the Black Sea)
    47. +1
      February 28 2020
      Gromyko calmly answered, only two volleys, and besides the Bosphorus there will be straits, though I’m not sure that Istanbul will remain!

      Источник: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/smarttatar/kak-turciia-pytalas-zakryt-bosfor-dlia-sovetskih-korablei-i-kak-sssr-v-dve-sekundy-reshil-etot-vopros-5e5898022a7320592b6f7a0b
      It is only a pity that we are no longer the USSR or even the RSFR.
      1. +2
        February 28 2020
        Yandex Zen is a strong source
        Do you know a serious one? I wonder where this story came from ...
        1. +1
          February 28 2020
          I agree, Sergey, I myself do not like him, a slanderous channel. And about Toggo, what Gromyko said, I doubt it. And he brought it only because it’s a place.
    48. 0
      February 28 2020

      Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

      To this statement, Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that for a passage to the Mediterranean, the USSR Black Sea Fleet would need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR.
      1. +3
        February 28 2020
        This story has been cited several times on the branch, but no one cites the source
        Very much like a bike
        In the late 70s, Turkey was a member of NATO, and such a statement by Gromyko, especially the Americans, would cause a great scandal and noise, but there was nothing like that.
        And I don’t remember trying to block the Bosphorus in the late 70s and I couldn’t find confirmation anywhere.
        Moreover, it would be very strange to hear from Gromyko, the wrong person was, did not suffer from pathos, and was, by the way, one of the initiators of the signing of the Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear War (1973) and the 1975 Helsinki Act, and indeed words did not rush, and even so.
        This story appeared on the Internet in large quantities in 2015, and where it came from is not clear.
        Maybe you know the link to the source of this story?
        hi
        1. 0
          February 29 2020
          Then they put a horseradish on NATO.
          1. +1
            February 29 2020
            I served in the 80s
            They took very seriously and without hatred
            My opponent, Turkey and Greece, heard at every second conversation a political leader, and no one considered the war with them a trifling matter, as you can read now in the comments
    49. 0
      February 28 2020
      Quote: shoroh
      Georgia, Ukraine also thought so.

      > Ukraine

      Ah, so did the APU attack our Crimea in the 14th? Very interesting.
      1. -2
        February 29 2020
        Crimea was illegally acquired by Ukraine, the transfer agreement was not ratified.
    50. 0
      February 29 2020
      all this is already outdated, we walk and they do not bother us.
      ps
      https://topwar.ru/168445-rossija-napravila-v-sredizemnoe-more-srazu-dva-fregata-proekta-11356.html
      https://topwar.ru/168471-bdk-orsk-chf-prosledoval-cherez-prolivy-v-sredizemnoe-more.html
    51. 0
      February 29 2020
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Crimea was illegally acquired by Ukraine, the transfer agreement was not ratified.

      Don’t say such nonsense again, the USSR simply gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, it was within the framework of one state!!!!!!!!
    52. 0
      March 1 2020
      And A. Gromyko also said that, well, we’ll make another strait for ourselves, like the Bosporus. Turks in a word.
    53. KLV
      +1
      March 1 2020
      It would be nice for the unknown author of this article to provide links to several Turkish sources. And, preferably, quite serious ones, and not at the level of “yellow” newspapers for marriage dating.
      1. 0
        March 1 2020
        I wrote it, and then I discovered that you were talking about the same thing hi
    54. 0
      March 1 2020
      Where is the link to the source about “Thinking in Ankara”? Rehashes of discussions on this topic from our media.

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