Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

According to Bulgarian President Rumen Radev, negotiations with Russia on reducing gas prices are not being conducted as they should. He thinks that negotiators should show political will.

Radev believes that the negotiation strategy that the Bulgarian side adheres to today does not allow achieving the desired results. This leads the president to doubts about the competence of his energy minister, Temenuzhka Petkova, and gives reason to think about the quality of her work.

Rumen Radev expressed his opinion on energy issues, commenting on the recent telephone conversation between him and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Radev considers the issue of gas prices the most important for Bulgaria today. In his opinion, further negotiations should build on his conversation with Putin in St. Petersburg in the summer of 2019.

The Bulgarian president is outraged by the fact that of the eight European countries involved in the gas business of the European Commission in relation to Gazprom, only Bulgaria did not receive a discount on gas. He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

At the same time, Radev expressed hope that Bulgaria would soon receive a discount, because it would be beneficial for both Bulgarian families and the country's economy, which would become more competitive. And how much is it good for Russian families to scatter such discounts? Although who Russian families in this case asks ...

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Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

cooperate with Luke!

[maxim947]

Damn, they have there in the course of the schedule is approved by the State Department - who and when to ask for discounts and cry. Buy even more expensive from mattresses, "there" they promise that the economy from such a business will "trample" uphill. And if purely emotional, then I would send everyone away from the forest.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: maxim947

Buy even more expensive from mattresses, "there" they promise that the economy from such a business will "trample" uphill.

And how to buy "non-brothers" from them? Turks will not let gas carriers through. Pull the pipe from Polish terminals? It is cheaper to switch to tidal power plants, wind turbines and solar panels.
Have profited their "Potok" - now all claims to the State Department. In a written form. In three copies.

[pytar]

Turks gas carriers will not miss.

Igor, you obviously do not know ... Bulgaria bought out 20% of the shares of the LNG terminal in Alexandroupolis. It is already connected to the Bulgarian gas transmission network. Deliveries are ALREADY coming from here, at prices 30 "% lower than Gazprom's!

It’s cheaper to switch to tidal power plants, windmills and solar panels.

A tidal power station is already on the coast. While experimental.

Windmills - if you walk around Bulgaria you will see hundreds of them, especially in Dobrudja and Sliven.


Solar panels - they are in Bulgaria. The largest solar power plant on the Balkans was built precisely in Bulgaria, near Plovdiv.


In Bulgaria, in 2017, 17,5% of the energy was extracted from renewable sources. 2018 - 18,8%, 2019 - 20,5%.

[Piramidon]

Quote: pytar

ALREADY are delivering, at prices 30 "% lower than Gazprom's!

So why is he crying then? Use cheap LNG.

[pytar]

So why is he crying then?

Not him, but Gazprom is crying ... Monopol broke .. Although the situation will not affect the awards of effective managers ...

Use cheap LNG.

We will crawl, the one who is cheaper. Ohhh .. bad novelty for lovers of monopolies! The market has come!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: pytar

Bulgaria bought back 20% of shares in the LNG terminal in Alexandroupolis. It is already connected to the Bulgarian gas transmission network. Deliveries are ALREADY coming from here, at prices 30 "% lower than Gazprom's!

Happiness and success to you personally and to your entire Bulgaria with prices 30% lower than Gazprom prices.

What then is your president whining about high prices? Look, Ukraine is turning coal along Rotterdam + and asking for nothing. And you go there ... And you turn the gas ...

[pytar]

Happiness and success to you personally and to your entire Bulgaria with prices 30% lower than Gazprom prices.

Thank you and all the best! Prices have already begun to decline in the domestic market, so ...

What then is your president whining about high prices?

Not whimpering, but reminiscent! About the contract ... He is a good man, choose the ego again!

[Sergej1972]

Explain to me please. He studied the state system of Bulgaria. It’s not clear to me why you have a president elected by the people, and he really has no real power? What's the point of this? Then it is better to choose it by parliament or a special board, as in Italy or Germany. Or, on the contrary, leave the popular elections, but give him real powers on the model of the presidents of France or Finland.
The same presidents in Austria, Iceland, Ireland. They are elected directly by the population, but there is no real power.

[pytar]

Explain to me please. He studied the state system of Bulgaria. It’s not clear to me why you have a president elected by the people, and he really has no real power?

Dear Sergey, Bulgaria is a parliamentary republic. The presence of a separate presidential institution, designed not to give anyone the opportunity to concentrate all power in one structure. Tipo antimonopol. This works well, as it creates competition between power structures. The President has his own powers and they are not so small. The ego role becomes central during times of crisis. Part of the powers of the President:
1. He is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus. Appoints and dismisses the top command of the army. He is chairman of the National Security Advisory Council. Detects war, mobilization, martial law, etc.
3. The President has the right to sign international treaties.
4. The President does not have direct legislative power, but has the right to veto. May initiate constitutional amendments.
5. Another: give Bulgarian citizenship, amnesty convicts, forgive public debt, appoints diplomats.
In short, he has his own role and functions.

[Sergej1972]

Thanks for the information.

[Bagatur]

I agree! This is a constitutional defect. It must be done like all countries with parliamentary governance! The president is elected to parliament and that's it! Now he has no real power, but he thinks "I have been elected by more people than parliament ... and wants to rule without having the right to it.

[Sergej1972]

Thank. As I understand it, there is no consensus among the Bulgarians regarding the powers of their president.

[orionvitt]

Quote: pytar

A tidal power station is already on the coast.

Windmills - if you walk around Bulgaria you will see hundreds of such Solar batteries - there are plenty of them in Bulgaria

Here you go, eat "green energy" and live according to the precepts of the unforgettable Greta. Only this will be several times more expensive. Yes, and tell me please, where are the tides on the Black Sea? Moreover, those that would build a power plant.

[pytar]

Here you go, eat "green energy" and live according to the precepts of the unforgettable Greta. Only it will come out at times more expensive.

I don’t know how it is with Greta, but green energy has a place to be. Especially for countries where it is, but there is no gas, oil and coal. The planet itself is forcing humanity to move to such energy. With the price of technology cheaper.

Yes, and tell me please, where are the tides on the Black Sea? Yes, and those that would build a power plant.

I know the entrepreneur personally. I apologize, I wrote inaccurately - not a tidal, but a float. Designed for the conditions of the Black Sea, but does not have much efficiency. Another project is more interesting - for underwater currents. We are also developing an energy storage plant in which there are no electric batteries and expensive materials.

[orionvitt]

What can I tell you. As they say, the flag is in your hands. Here Germany, with all its technological power, rushed after the fashionable "green energy" and sat in a puddle. So go for it. But remember that trendy and useful are two different things.

[pytar]

Quote: orionvitt

What can I tell you. As they say, the flag is in your hands. Here Germany, with all its technological power, rushed after the fashionable "green energy" and sat in a puddle. So go for it. But remember that trendy and useful are two different things.

In the given case, the expression "flag in hand" is inappropriate. For such a thing, in the hands of drawings, tools ...
Green energy is not fashion, but inexorable inevitability. Germany has not yet sat in a puddle, even though you are so ill there. If you sit down, there will be completely different reasons that go beyond that topic.

[orionvitt]

Quote: pytar

Green energy is not fashion, but inexorable inevitability. Germany, has not yet sat in a puddle, even though you are so ill

Of course, all stupid and only Bulgarians are aware of what's what.

[pytar]

Quote: orionvitt

Of course, all stupid and only Bulgarians are aware of what's what.

Not all. Smart people are everywhere, just like fools ... While the fools yell "this can't be", smart people do! That's how it is!

[Non liberoid Russian]

So what’s the matter, forward, to the bright future of LNG, just don’t remove the pans, they have at least a stupid, natural look

[hohol95]

Why then do you need GAZ at all? Switch to electricity all the time!

[pytar]

Why then do you need GAZ at all? Switch to electricity all the time!

Gas is one from the sources of energy. Greener than coal. The whole world will go over to electricity. The process is already going inexorably. No matter whether you believe it or not ...

[hohol95]

It remains to wait for household superconductors! And all of Europe will immediately abandon Russian gas!

[pytar]

It remains to wait for household superconductors! And all of Europe will immediately abandon Russian gas!

If they create effective superconductors, then Russia will have another chance! After all, she has huge VEC frauds in Siberia! Europe is all with electric cars, they will need electricity! Ideal after all!

[hohol95]

Where will Europe get its energy from a complete abandonment of nuclear power plants? Will it blow the wind or give the sun? Oh yes, American LNG will save ... And it will force Poland and the rest to close unprofitable coal mines!

[pytar]

Where will Europe get its energy from a complete abandonment of nuclear power plants?

The energy strategy of the European Union is a program document, written out step by step and in time. Goal - To achieve a high level of energy independence from external suppliers, protect the environment, reduce energy intensity by increasing efficiency and energy saving. This is a large-scale, comprehensive program in which high technologies play the main role! There’s not just some helicopter makers coming up! Thermonuclear energy and much more! Do not think that fools are sitting there! Much of what is already working, tested, is being perfected. We will see how much the set goals will be achieved. But there is nothing wrong with them!

[cdrt]

Lord, well, you can’t afford to brainwash yourself with propaganda and advertising. Electric sales do not exceed 1% of the sold cars ... what for the VEC if it is unstable energy? Have you heard the RFM, no? What does Australia's renewable energy industry have not heard of, no?

[pytar]

Lord, well, you can’t afford to brainwash yourself with propaganda and advertising. Electric sales do not exceed 1% of the sold cars ... what for the VEC if it is unstable energy?

What kind of propaganda, you are clearly not in the know what is happening in the world! Electric car sales are growing year after year! All the leading car manufacturers are turning off investments in cars on the Far East Gas Engine, and investing in electric traction! Unstable energy say? Have you listened to how quickly the technology of drives is evolving, have they heard about power supply systems from electricity supply systems? Yes, it is in Bulgaria that energy-accumulating technologies are being developed, while undemanding expensive chemicals. elements and alloys!

What does Australia's renewable energy industry have not heard of, no?

In Australia, the problem is being solved. Here is the info ...

A new energy era begins! No one can stop her! Whoever would consider, the future is already here.

[mordor]

Yes, yes, take it easy, just live in this new era about which noodles from any iron in the European Union hang on your ears, most likely you probably will not have to, if only your great-grandchildren, In the new storage, also dream about this while sitting on the Champs Elysees with a cup of k5ava, so at least they already have sockets that produce electricity, each has boilers and almost all specialists.

[pytar]

Yes, yes, take it easy, just live in this new era about which you are hung on the ears of any iron in the European Union, most likely you probably won’t have to, unless your great-grandchildren ...

I hope to live! Moreover, I firmly intend to purchase an electric car in the next 2 years. The neighbor bought, very satisfied! Already eat on the roads and become more and more. Our personal opinions may be different, but there is one indisputable fact: global car manufacturers invest in large quantities and switch to electric traction.

[hohol95]

Explain to me such a question - why are so many houses in Poland and Britain heated with coal or wood? For a European, answering this simple question is not difficult!

[pytar]

Explain to me such a question - why are so many houses in Poland and Britain heated with coal or wood? For a European, answering this simple question is not difficult!

Europe is very diverse. You need to ask the Poles and the British. As far as I know in the UK, only Lords fire wood for drinking in the evening in front of fireplaces! Firewood is very expensive, in short supply. All are heated by gas. As for Polsh, there is enough coal there, it is in Britain, but I have not heard that many are so drowned.

[cdrt]

Bgggg: :-))))) the last nail in the lid of the coffin of any industry. On the other hand ... with the main products: tourism and guest workers, industry and no place :-))))

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Zoldat_A

all claims to the State Department. In a written form. In three copies.

Igor Alekseevich , no, the State Department has nothing to do with was a great opportunity

show political will

, now all claims are only to ourselves.
Capitalism however - go through the bazaar, look for cheaper, yourself, all by yourself

[cniza]

The club of the "offended" will be created ...

[bessmertniy]

And the Bulgarian President pleased Russia with cheapness so that Russia would make gas discounts only at his request.

[cniza]

And what can you get besides lecho?

[bessmertniy]

Well, stuffed cabbage used to be, rose oil, jokes exported from Gabrovo. And I don’t remember anymore.

[cniza]

Yeah, wine, cognac and cigarettes ... remember "chicken is not a bird - Bulgaria is not abroad" ...

[bessmertniy]

In principle, there was also an active tourist exchange on the Intourist line, but today our tourist is not very much oriented towards Bulgaria - there are places more attractive.

[AK1972]

Quote: cniza

Yeah, wine, cognac and cigarettes ... remember "chicken is not a bird - Bulgaria is not abroad" ...

And also electric motors, telphers, grinders, which are still called "Bulgarians" in our country.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: cniza

And what can you get besides lecho?

Alas, the lecho has nowhere to produce. There was a big TV show about these plants. No roof, no windows. You can make films about the Apocalypse.

[cniza]

It’s called otheesili ...

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: cniza

It’s called otheesili ...

Exactly.

[orionvitt]

Good canned vegetables "Globus", no doubt. And now, instead of the "vegetable garden of Europe" (as they wanted), they have become the back seat of Europe. This is how reality puts everything in its place. European integration helped them a lot.

[cniza]

Europe needed an expanded market and no more ...

[pytar]

And what can you get besides lecho?

Euro. Information: Bulgaria - 52 billion euros of GDP. Gold and foreign exchange reserves of 23 billion euros.3,5-3,8% of the average annual growth of the economy.

[cniza]

Well done, good luck to you!

[Non liberoid Russian]

there is a long CX in decline

[pytar]

there is a long CX in decline

In decline? 5 billion euros, CX exports for 2019 decline?!?!

[pytar]

5 billion?

Exactly! ~ 5 euros. export cx for 000

my god you rode, grabbed the minuses, told what we developed with the export of primary goods ...

+ 1, -1. One did not like the facts. Even if it was -100, the facts have not changed.

considering what you exported during the CMEA and what is now with the EU

Consider, but you do not know. From the word at all.

you are now an ordinary bed of the European Union, not a fruit and vegetable factory CMEA

I’ll add more salt to your wound ... The main share in the export are of high-quality grain crops, for the difference from the time of CMEA, when they really produced more vegetables and fruits. Now Bulgaria is among the top 10 grain exporters. White gold! The costs of growing less, storing, and transporting is not a problem. We have seasonal agriculture. Vegetables and fruits are grown, but in smaller quantities. They are untrained. The implementation period is shorter. The bias is done on organic products. They are more expensive and sell well in the EU markets. Over 7 years, the area of ​​bio-farming increased by 6 times. During socialism, it was difficult to find even native products on our shelves. Now in all seasons there is everything, imported and ours.
That's it, Alexander ...

[alatanas]

Lecho is not a Bulgarian, but a Hungarian product.

[cniza]

Quote: alatanas

Lecho is not a Bulgarian, but a Hungarian product.

And where does the recipe come from? ...

[alatanas]

Product!
Imports from Hungary to the USSR, not from Bulgaria.

[pytar]

And the Bulgarian President pleased Russia with cheapness so that Russia would make gas discounts only at his request.

He discretely recalled the agreements that Gazprom has not yet implemented ... By the way, the translation of the word Radev into Russian in the article is incorrect! In the original there is no word at all about discounts!

[bessmertniy]

On the "stream" Bulgaria broke the contract - and nothing !? Of course, Gazprom should be carved out, but Bulgaria's agreement with it is a level lower than state relations between our countries.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bessmertniy

On the "stream" Bulgaria broke the contract - and nothing !?

Already in two streams. In Turkish, too, a cat for ... tail pulled.

[pytar]

On the "stream" Bulgaria broke the contract - and nothing !? Of course, Gazprom should be carved out, but Bulgaria's agreement with it is a level lower than state relations between our countries.

Judging by the Russian media, it was Bulgaria that "broke" the treaty. It is not surprising if we realize what kind of information resource the gas monopolist possesses! And in real life Bulgaria did not violate a single paragraph from the treaties. Otherwise, Gazprom would have judged us mercilessly, as in the case of Rossatom with the NPP. I know what I'm talking about, I worked from the Bulgarian side along the UP, while I work on the Balkan stream.

[Bagatur]

The contract died after "Cream is ours!" ... Sanctions and refusal of the main partner like the Italian ENI ... It is very convenient to dump everything on the Bulgarian head.

[Vend]

Political will had to be shown before going under the EU and the USA.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Wend

Political will had to be shown before going under the EU and the USA.

Bulgarians, Poles and Balts dreamed of getting rich in Russophobia. Tried to please the owners.
As they say: They ate, drank, had fun. It's time to cry.

[pytar]

cooperate with Luke!

Lukoil "cooperated"with some "workaholic" from the ministries ... And for a long time he evaded taxes. In 2018, taking advantage of its monopoly position, it raised fuel prices. Protest rallies took place throughout the country, and the Premier caught up with the tax! And Lukoil at once lowered prices!

[g1washntwn]

Discounts are a relic of Soviet help. Claws tore from the Soviets to capitalism? Scoop a full spoon.
And why did these 8 get such luxury? For what such services are not in the "free self-regulating market"?

[Major Yurik]

The Bulgarian president is outraged by the fact that of the eight European countries involved in the gas business of the European Commission in relation to Gazprom, only Bulgaria did not receive a discount on gas. He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

Use Yankesovsky gas three times a day for a tablespoon! For more denyushek not enough!

[pytar]

Use Yankesovsky gas three times a day for a tablespoon! For more denyushek not enough!

Already bought. It turned out to be 30% cheaper than Gazprom's ... Ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle is quoted on the poster: Αριστοτέλης φιλόσοφος. So, here the "Greek connection" is exactly in place! Bulgaria bought back 20% of the shares of the LNG terminal in Alexandroupoli. The pipe from it is already connected to the Bulgarian gas transmission network. We also agreed on the supply of 1 billion square meters. Azerbaijani gas, which covers 30% of the country's needs. In short, Gazprom’s monopoly is broken. He will not be able to twist the hands of consumers further. Well, not at the expense of Russian ...

[Amateur]

In short, Gazprom’s monopoly is broken. He will not be able to twist the hands of consumers further.

In order not to further offend the Bulgarian brothers, Gazprom should be prohibited from selling gas to Bulgaria. Let the little brothers live with cheap American gas. They can also organize re-export to Okraine.

[pytar]

In order not to further offend the Bulgarian brothers, Gazprom should be prohibited from selling gas to Bulgaria.

Great! And not only to the Bulgarians, but also to the entire European Union! Not a single bucket of gas should go to them!

[Bagatur]

Gas .. gas .... but something else you eat?

[Piramidon]

Quote: pytar

It turned out to be 30% cheaper than Gazprom

Did Trump tell you this? Remove the vermicelli from your ears and do not transfer it here. LNG cannot be cheaper than pipeline.

[pytar]

Did Trump tell you this?

No, Stepan ... not "Trump said" ... Information is public, the tender was.

[pytar]

LNG cannot be cheaper than pipeline.

At cost can not. But at the market price it can, if the pipes sell gas at a very high price! How Gazprom has done so far.

[orionvitt]

Quote: pytar

agreed on the supply of 1 billion sq.m. Azerbaijani gas

Only through Turkey? So the Turks themselves are not enough, they consume everything that reaches them. It feels like you are there in Bulgaria, living in the looking glass. And even American gas is the cheapest for you.

[pytar]

So the Turks themselves are not enough, they consume everything that reaches them.

Well, yes, for that they reduced the purchase of gas from Gazprom by a third ... And for that, the originally planned 4 TP pipes were abandoned, so it alone is.

It feels like you are there in Bulgaria, living in the looking glass.

The feeling lets you down ... It’s you in some kind of looking glass. True, not all, but part of society, for sure. And this is not an empty statement. I’m often in the Russian Federation, I see myself ...

And even American gas is the cheapest for you.

Since Gazprom was expensive because of the monopoly, even the American on the ego background is cheaper!

[orionvitt]

Quote: pytar

I’m often in the Russian Federation, I see myself ...

Yeah, on the Internet. You are generally well done, compared Russia with Bulgaria. This is not compared by any criteria. Except for people. What’s the way with the monuments to Russian soldiers liberators? Defile?

[pytar]

Yeah, on the Internet.

Russian relatives. Serious thing ... if I understand what ...

You are generally well done, compared Russia with Bulgaria. This is not compared by any criteria.

I just mentioned the difference in perceptions and mentality.

What’s the way with the monuments to Russian soldiers liberators? Defile?

If we judge by looking-glass "news" from rus-media, then that's the only thing we do! We paint monuments day and night! How far is the reality from this, you can judge by the fact that for 20 years cases of vandalism no more than 17 with the so-called. "Soviet". And not one from the Russians! Still, we are living in the real world, building new ones! 530 tuned, so over the past 15-20 years, another 12-14 were built. I personally participate in some projects.

[orionvitt]

Quote: pytar

that for 20 years cases of vandalism no more than 17 with so-called. "Soviet"

If the "so-called Soviet", then off they go. No excuses accepted. Anti-Soviet, always Russophobe.

[pytar]

If the "so-called Soviet", then off they go.

Mdaa ... these are our Bulgarian monuments. Protected by law, which guarantees their preservation, no matter who has an opinion.

Excuses not accepted.

Yes, no one served them! Once again, we reach the mirror-like perception ...

Anti-Soviet, always Russophobe.

This is your opinion, others have something else.

[Bagatur]

Everything is fine with the Monuments of the Liberators 1877-1878! Well, with the monuments to the 1944 occupants there are problems ....

[orionvitt]

Quote: bagatura

with the monuments to the occupiers of 1944 there are problems

Respond for the invaders. Chistyuli. Remind which side was Bulgaria during WWII. And if you jump over in time, this does not mean anything.

[Bagatur]

I will answer for calling things with real names. Yeah ... when together with Hitler Pölsch we share it well ..... When others have relations with Germany, is it bad?

[orionvitt]

Quote: bagatura

I will answer for calling things with real names

These are not "real names", these are weak attempts to justify, stemming from your venality and worthlessness. When there is nothing to say, they slide into cheap Polish and Ukrainian demagoguery. Don't be like it, it's funny.

When others have a relationship with Germany is its bad?

Do not anger the people. Remind me of the Nuremberg Tribunal? You are lucky that having put in your pants, during the war, surrendering, you promptly jumped from responsibility. Together with Romanians and Finns. But we all remember. The defendant was found.

[kapitan92]

Quote: g1washntwn

And why did these 8 get such luxury? For what such services are not in the "free self-regulating market"?

PJSC Gazprom has been intransigently defending oil indexation for many years, according to the results of three quarters of 2019, the share of hub indexation in the structure of gas export sales of PJSC Gazprom was 56,7%, while the link to oil prices in its pure form remains only in 16,5% of contracts, the share of spot contracts will only increase, as this is "in line with market trends."
The formula for linking to the cost of oil was beneficial to Gazprom, but times have changed. The courts in Europe were lost, an ultimatum was presented to Gazprom, and these 8 got such a luxury.

Quote: g1washntwn

Discounts are a relic of Soviet help. Claws tore from the Soviets to capitalism? Scoop a full spoon.

"Discounts", in this situation, is Gazprom's fulfillment of its obligations to European consumers and a consequence of the documents signed by Gazprom.
It is better to "throw off" than to lose a share in the European market.
The article is late!
PJSC "Gazprom" is going to change the price component of the gas contract with Bulgaria

This change is aimed at changing the existing oil reference to the cost of gas supplied to Bulgaria for the use of indexation based on the cost of gas in Western European hubs.

This will reduce the cost of Russian gas to Bulgaria by at least 50%, and it will be about $ 140 per thousand cubic meters.

PJSC Gazprom would still have to change the formula for calculating the cost of gas in the contract due to the obligations assumed to the EC (European Commission) in the framework of the settlement of the antitrust investigation.

Material from 12.02.20g

[maxim947]

It is better to "throw off" than to lose a share in the European market.

This is a no brainer, but there are reasonable boundaries everywhere. Not twice the same fold. In my opinion, everyone just wants to fuck us, that's the whole moral. Our imports are getting more expensive, they are getting cheaper - this is the essence of the scheme, and all this is confusing with all kinds of "smart" garbage, indices and the rest.

[kapitan92]

Quote: maxim947

It is better to "throw off" than to lose a share in the European market.

This is a no brainer, but there are reasonable boundaries everywhere. Not twice the same fold. In my opinion, everyone just wants to fuck us, that's the whole moral. Our imports are getting more expensive, they are getting cheaper - this is the essence of the scheme, and all this is confusing with all kinds of "smart" garbage, indices and the rest.

Everything is a little wrong! There was an antitrust investigation by the European Commission and Gazprom made a commitment to change the gas cost calculation scheme. . Move away from the oil peg in contracts to the price of spot markets in Europe. Gazprom is pulling - it is profitable for him, but the decision has already been made and prices will be reduced. President Radev knows this, and then you need to PR before your political opponents in Bulgaria.

[pytar]

Everything is a little wrong! There was an antitrust investigation by the European Commission and Gazprom made a commitment to change the gas cost calculation scheme. . Move away from the oil peg in contracts to the price of spot markets in Europe.

Dear Vyacheslav, you are absolutely right! Briefly and accurately explained the situation.

Gazprom is pulling - it is profitable for him, but the decision has already been made and prices will be reduced.

He pulls it, but a misunderstanding obliged Gazprom to bring prices to market prices since April 2019! He still has not done this in relation to Bulgaria! As a result, Bulgargaz stated that he would sue! In this case, Gazprom will have to pay even forfeits for the slowdowns!

President Radev knows this, and then you need to PR before your political opponents in Bulgaria.

All right! You write everything correctly! I'm in my post below the branches, gave an explanation.

[Malyuta]

Quote: pytar

He pulls it, but a misunderstanding obliged Gazprom to bring prices to market prices since April 2019! He still has not done this in relation to Bulgaria! As a result, Bulgargaz stated that he would sue! In this case, Gazprom will have to pay even forfeits for the slowdowns!

That's right, there are international trade rules and market prices.

[Malyuta]

Quote: kapitan92

"Discounts", in this situation, is Gazprom's fulfillment of its obligations to European consumers and a consequence of the documents signed by Gazprom. It is better to "throw off" than to lose a share in the European market.

it’s hard for local urrry-racers to explain, and sometimes impossible.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Malyuta

it’s hard for local urrry-racers to explain, and sometimes impossible.

Alas! I have to agree with you!
We will not all "under this comb", but there are enough similar ones.

[g1washntwn]

Like you "hard to explain, and sometimes impossible"(plus signs next to your comment as confirmation) ... that the European legislation is rewritten if and when it is beneficial to the European consumer. And the process of twisting the supplier's arms is already a consequence. And the process of this blackmail is continuous. Not tied to oil, so a different supplier and transit and other "fair competition".

[Malyuta]

Quote: g1washntwn

And the process of twisting the supplier's arms is already a consequence. And the process of this blackmail is continuous. Not tied to oil, so necessarily a different supplier and transit and other "fair competition".

Fair competition? Our suppliers are used to dictating conditions in the domestic market, because it simply does not exist! On external world markets, the story is completely different, if the price of oil falls, then why should someone pay more for oil belonging to our oligarchs than it costs all over the world? The local peoples living in geyevropu simply do not understand the unreasonable increase in prices and demolish the government, and if you need all the power to hell. There you are not here!

[g1washntwn]

"difficult to explain, and sometimes impossible" - your thesis works against you and your "plusors".
What does oil, the domestic market and other non-economic offtopic definitions have to do with it? A set of pseudo-political clichés was thrown over to their supporters and most of them were scattered by the fan. Thinner it is necessary and more intelligence to invest in work, "there you are not here!".
The link to oil prices suited everyone and everyone worked according to this pricing scheme. Exactly until the time has come to press the main supplier. That's the whole generalized scheme of the "free market". A competitive market in its pure, unclouded view is a priori impossible. Why is a topic for a separate lesson.

[Barmaleyka]

Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

buy from mattresses, it will be cheaper, but in general, ideally

not gas

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

buy from mattresses, it will be cheaper

Ears from here?

[bessmertniy]

And add a tail to them, which perfectly comes in and out.

[Zoldat_A]

"South Stream" was profiled, the son of a neighbor in a dacha lived on a barge for three months in Varna, waiting for the Bulgarians to mature. Not ripe, they obeyed America. Now even American gas cannot be bought by gas carriers. Let America be asked to compensate for the difference in price.

How beautiful it turns out ... I would have told them directly who - for which they are all.

Germany is harmful, but smart, because the northern streams are being built. Turkey is mean, but also smart, because a pipe is being built to Turkey. And Bulgarians are learning from Ukraine - greedy, obedient to America, but stupid. Ukraine pays for stupidity - and these "nebratushki" will be.

[SanSanych Gusev]

So Ukraine is not so bad with gas and price

[g1washntwn]

Quote: SanSanych Gusev

So Ukraine is not so bad with gas and price

Because the "party policy" mistakenly thinks that the people and the authorities are something different there. If the people there were the way they think of them and take care of them in the Kremlin, it would be long ago .. e. changed something dramatically. You can continue to deceive yourself about the friendship of peoples, a common past, etc. But if in the past there was milk, and today kefir, then tomorrow what will turn out back will not become milk. As there in the song: "Minced meat cannot be turned back ...". The future needs to be built from the present, only experience is useful from the past.

[Malyuta]

Quote: g1washntwn

If the people there were like people think and care about him in the Kremlin, long ago ... eh. something radically changed. You can continue to deceive yourself further about the friendship of peoples, a unified past, etc.

The brotherhood of peoples and mutual assistance remained in our glorious socialist past. And now for what is capitalist Bulgaria a member of the European Union supposed to make concessions to the capitalist RF?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: SanSanych Gusev

So Ukraine is not so bad with gas and price

Given the fact that Ukraine has made a POLITICAL decision on a 15% discount on gas for the population, the price reached a four-year low of 5,34103 UAH. (in Kiev, for example). Exactly 2 times more than for me on the Volga per cubic meter on the counter.
https://index.minfin.com.ua/tariff/gas/

Not so bad ...

[SanSanych Gusev]

It's funny to you?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: SanSanych Gusev

So Ukraine is everything not so bad with gas and price

Quote: SanSanych Gusev

It's funny to you?

I find it funny that "not so bad".

But my relatives in the Dnipropetrovsk region, probably not at all funny.
But they "support and approve the policy of the party and government" - I call them, they yell into the phone "WHY DID YOU ATTACK US!?!?! ???" and shut down. So let them be sad.

[cniza]

Germany is harmful, but smart, because the northern streams are being built. Turkey is mean, but also smart, because a pipe is being built to Turkey. And Bulgarians are learning from Ukraine - greedy, obedient to America, but stupid. Ukraine pays for stupidity - and these "nebratushki" will be.

In general, they voluntarily drove themselves to a rake.

[pytar]

Now even American gas carriers will not be able to buy gas. Let America demand compensation for the price difference ... Bulgarians ... greedy, obedient to America, but stupid.

Info above ... Bought and this year ordered even more. Prices for the Yankees are 30% lower. And why? Yes, because Gazprom’s high! 3 skins are removed from consumers! Zhadin turns out to be Gazprom, no matter how tales told about him there!

[vadimtt]

Gazprom with you is still divine, it sells only two times more expensive
Locals, on the other hand, charge such a price for pulling a pipe to the house that it is cheaper to use expensive diesel fuel for 50 years than to use "cheap" gas.

[pytar]

Gazprom is still good with you, it sells only twice as expensive. Locals, on the other hand, charge such a price for pulling a pipe to the house that it is cheaper to use expensive diesel fuel for 50 years than to use "cheap" gas.

It is always like this for monopolists! They will take off 3 skins from you! And they will not even ask who is "our", who is "your"! There is no difference for them! Loot is more important!

[rocket757]

Everyone wants ... but to whom that breaks off, we will see.

[cniza]

At the first stage, everyone, and then the binding and replenishment of all losses ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: cniza

At the first stage, everyone, and then the binding and replenishment of all losses ...

As Satanovsky once said about the Ukrainian gas contract

Gazprom is always ready to lose 3 billion, if later it returns at least six

[cniza]

Like that ...

[Avior]

The first part of the statement definitely came true, and the second is something not very

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Avior

The first part of the statement definitely came true, and the second is something not very

But do not worry, and the second part will come true. Gazprom also knows how to count money and studied mathematics at school.

And further. If our interests of the state were ensured by Gazprom, then perhaps Gazprom would have lost 3 billion and Ukraine, by the way, would have frozen out a long time ago. But our state stands guard over the interests of Gazprom, and therefore, Ukraine will have gas and Gazprom will receive its 6 billion.

[knn54]

An attempt to reduce costs under other contracts (Azerbaijan, Qatar). Everybody wants to earn.
And they will get a "transit", however.

[Vladimir_2U]

Sadness is trouble, cheaply, and preferably for nothing, the Russians do not want to give gas. He is such a capitol; he does not always work against Russia.

[My_log_in]

Have you completed your part of the pipe? Then come and bargain ...

[cniza]

It was necessary not to reject the southern stream at the "request" of the striped ones.

[pytar]

Have you completed your part of the pipe?

What do you care? The pipe is ours!

Then come and bargain ...

A month ago, a delegation from the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation and Gazprom came to Sofia. To negotiate, bargain ... Agree, do not hesitate ... Salvage is a good incentive ...

[cniza]

He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

Well, the appetites of the little brothers ...

[Rostislav]

He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas, what should[i] [/ i]

Interestingly, he himself determined how much "should" pay Russia for gas? Or will it be decided in Washington, as South Stream decided, and will it sound?

[pytar]

According to Bulgarian President Rumen Radev, negotiations with Russia on reducing gas prices are not being conducted as they should. ... Radev believes that the negotiation strategy that the Bulgarian side adheres to today does not allow achieving the desired results. This leads the president to doubts about the competence of his energy minister, Temenuzhka Petkova, and gives reason to think about the quality of her work.

President Radev is a nominee of the opposition party of Bulgarian Socialists. Premier Borisov from the ruling Coat of Arms. Between them from the very beginning, the relationship is conflicting. Exacerbated especially in the last month, they are constantly attacking each other. It came to direct accusations and the publication of incriminating evidence. This passage of Radev’s remarks should be considered from the point of view of the internal political struggle in Bulgaria.

The Bulgarian president is outraged by the fact that of the eight European countries involved in the "gas business" of the European Commission in relation to Gazprom, only Bulgaria did not receive discount for gas. He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should. At the same time, Radev expressed the hope that soon Bulgaria will receive discountbecause it will be beneficial for both Bulgarian families and the country's economy, which will become more competitive.

Then the author of the article translated Radev’s incorrect statements into Russian! The exact text is: "From osm d'rzhavi, koito sa object to gazoto, the deal between Gazprom and the European Commission, Bulgaria itself has not received asking for price. The reality of the cloak is almost two times in price for the gas from Russia, which is unacceptable “... Do not rust the head, express hope in the near future, let the country receive asking for price.... "
"price tagging" in case the word "discounts" does not make sense, and bringing / reducing / prices in accordance with the contracts! There is a difference, a discount is an additional reduction, a decrease in an already set price, a concession, a relaxation! Gazprom was supposed to switch to market prices starting in August 2019. Until now, it had been selling gas to Bulgaria on the basis of long-term contracts, with conditionally fixed prices and quantities. The country was due to conclude new agreements before the end of 2019! Gazprom is pulling with this ...

And how much is it good for Russian families to scatter such discounts? Although who Russian families in this case asks ...

"National treasure," is not so national ... But this is a topic for internal Russian discussion. The Bulgarian President must think about Bulgarian families! What it does! He's great!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: pytar

Bulgarian President must think of Bulgarian families! Which does!

With all due respect to the Bulgarians of the SOVIET model, to the "brothers", and not to those who were going to demolish "Alyosha".

Your president should have thought of Bulgarian families when, for the sake of America, he abandoned the South Stream.
And now, complaints about the price of gas - to the US State Department, please.
Let America carry gas to you with gas carriers if the Turks suddenly miss. Could Germany sell gas - did not want to. Now you will buy gas through the Germans from us. They got into the puddle themselves, and now, as usual, Russia is to blame badly.

Remind about the NPP in Belene? Russia was almost ready to build it for tomatoes. What are you shouting? "Down with the Soviet, totalitarian"? "America will give us everything"? Gave?

Nothing, we’re already used to it, we’re not upset.

And you, "nebratushki", only have "Bulgaria Yuber Alles" left ... And, most importantly, the "correct" place was found where to speak ... Ugh ...
Ingratitude is one of the worst sins, in my opinion.

[pytar]

With all due respect to the Bulgarians of the SOVIET model, to the "brothers", and not to those who were going to demolish "Alyosha".

A pair of anti-communists in the Plovdiv Community Council in the 90s. It did not work out for them, the people stood up in defense of Alyosha. Parliament passed a law declaring the monument a national historical heritage. They repaired it 4-5 years ago, and in 2019 they improved the entire hill. The project cost is 70 million rubles (translated).

Your president should have thought of Bulgarian families when, for the sake of America, he abandoned the South Stream.

Not the President, but the Prime Minister. The President performs other functions ... But the Premier thought about the Bolg. seeds and made the right decision! To build UP in violation of Union laws would lead to multibillion-dollar losses and a crisis in the economy.

And now, complaints about the price of gas - to the US State Department, please.

I am glad that you shared with your ideas. Unfortunately, they are dramatically at odds with reality. It is so with your whole post! Claims are sent to the court, as prescribed in the contracts. What Bulgargaz has already warned ...

Remind about the Belene NPP? Russia was almost ready to build it for tomatoes.

I accept your note as a failed joke! During construction, the initial price rose from $ 1,5 billion to $ 10 billion. Now there is a tender, the participants are building doge at their own expense and without a state guarantee for the purchase of electricity. Rossatom candidate, he insists!

And for you, "nebratushki", only "Bulgaria uber alles" is left ... And, most importantly, the "right" place was found where to speak ...

Zoldat_A, "uber ales" suits you very much! Seriously, I'm not joking! Just converges with a nickname!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: pytar

Zoldat_A, "uber ales" suits you very much! Seriously, I'm not kidding! Just converges with a nickname!

Especially for you, Boyan! I repeat. Everyone who needs it already knows about it.

When my father, Lieutenant Colonel of the Airborne Forces, registered here, it was either not possible with the Cyrillic alphabet, or he did not succeed. Soldat, Soldier and something like that was busy. So he decided to insert Z.

Unfortunately, you don’t ask your father anymore - he was gone last December. And the people who knew him here at VO convinced me not to re-register, but to continue.

And further. Not me on the monument to Alyosha wrote "Bulgaria over vsichko" and not Mongolia, but Bulgaria fought against Russia in two world wars. And not Mozambique, but Bulgaria forgot how much Russian blood was shed in her land.
Therefore, it is not for a Bulgarian to remind me, who fought for their country, the heir of my father and grandfather who fought for their country, about "Hubert Alles"!

[pytar]

When my father, Lieutenant Colonel of the Airborne Forces, registered here, it was either not possible with the Cyrillic alphabet, or he did not succeed. Soldat, Soldier and something like that was busy. So he decided to insert Z.

In this case, I personally apologize to you!

Not me on the monument to Alyosha wrote "Balgaria over vsichko"

And not me, and not those 7 million who live in Bulgaria. The inscription made only one half-wit, which is in all countries!

and Bulgaria fought against Russia in two world wars

Not Bulgaria fought against the Republic of Ingushetia in 1MB, but the Republic of Ingushetia fought against Bulgaria, on Bulgarian land, among Bulgarian villages and villages!
In 2MB did not fight. Maintained norms of diplomatic relations.
If you have other data, share with the facts - where when how?

and Bulgaria forgot how much Russian blood was shed in its land.

I didn’t forget. Bulgaria is a monument recorder in honor of Russia. You forgot it! I rarely see Russians near these monuments, while the beaches are full of them!

Therefore, it is not for a Bulgarian to remind me, who fought for their country, the heir of my father and grandfather who fought for their country, about "Hubert Alles"!

You have to remind, otherwise you are confused in the events! By the way, without endorsing anyone from here, I want to remind you that the hero is only the one who committed heroism! Often the heirs are very different from their ancestors ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This Bulgarian is a naive guy .. He thinks he flew to the GDP, smiled and everyone forgot everything? ..

[usr01]

It is unhappy. What time!
There is an old joke -
"... the bazaar is big, walk around, bargain ..." (c)

[75 Sergey]

Maybe it's time to stop trading in oil and gas, that this business ceases to generate income ....

[Bagatur]

Not so important is the opinion of Radev .... he has no legal capacity!

[Amateur]

Bulgarian president outraged by the fact that of the eight European countries involved in the "gas business" of the European Commission in relation to Gazprom, only Bulgaria did not receive a discount on gas. He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

I would be happy. that they talk to him at all. Treacherous country.

[rotkiv04]

Gazprom terpels will bend, a little bit only let the bubbles go like with poop

[Lord of the Sith]

Be good, there will be a discount. Not for beautiful eyes give a discount?
Anyway, the Bulgarian president is not a figure to resent.

[Ros 56]

I don’t understand, well, I don’t like it, there are striped ones, take liquid gas from them in buckets. Why face crooked. For good, such figures generally need to be sent, far and for a long time.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: bessmertniy

Well, stuffed cabbage used to be, rose oil, jokes exported from Gabrovo. And I don’t remember anymore.

You missed it. The international integration of the CMEA countries had jointly adopted plans for economic cooperation. Bulgaria actively participated in industrial relations, produced small computers (prototypes of computers), electrical engineering, electronics, communications, agricultural products — tobacco was almost all from Bulgaria, vegetables, fruits .... It focused on nuclear energy. We supplied energy resources, metals, materials, covered the country with our nuclear umbrella. The interaction of the armies, special services .... Only lazy does not write about tourism.
And all to hell. But at least everything fell into place. A friend who was always ready to betray became an enemy.

[Terenin]

Quote: Victor March 47

But at least everything fell into place.

Yes.

[Bagatur]

But tell me, please .... where did you decide to dissolve the SEV and VD? In Sofia or Moscow? You lost the Cold War, raised flags with your linen, removed the banter in Molta ... then your allies said, save yourself as you can. Now blame anyone you want but first of all look at yourself

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Ingratitude is one of the worst sins, in my opinion.

Betrayal is worse. Judah did his work, and realizing what he had done, he hanged himself. Having committed one sin, he committed a mortal, unforgivable sin. Bulgaria betrayed many times. God's judgment is ahead of her.

[Guru]

He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

Well, I do not like it, so do not take it.

And how much is it good for Russian families to scatter such discounts? Although who Russian families in this case asks ...

Do Russian families get something? I think that Gazprom shareholders, who are mostly foreigners, get it.

[My_log_in]

Quote: pytar

Have you completed your part of the pipe?

What do you care? The pipe is ours!

Then come and bargain ...

A month ago, a delegation from the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation and Gazprom came to Sofia. To negotiate, bargain ... Agree, do not hesitate ... Salvage is a good incentive ...

just not to be rude no pipe - no gas

[evgen1221]

Since the 90th year, you only hear from every iron about discounts when buying our gas. But when buying oil for some reason do not do discounts? It’s anti -rest, and why is it for gas, we are obliged to do discounts, about the fact that someone else makes discounts, something is not heard in the mass media.

[Lelek]

He considers it unacceptable that Sofia pays twice as much for Russian gas as it should.

And betrayal generally costs a traitor dearly, so be happy with what you are offered. The times when you were "brothers" have sunk into oblivion by your own mercy, so do not whine and rejoice at what the "non-brother" offers you.

[Aliken]

No discounts. Russophobes traitors.

[Mentat]

Quote: pytar

Use Yankesovsky gas three times a day for a tablespoon! For more denyushek not enough!

Already bought. It turned out to be 30% cheaper than Gazprom's ... Ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle is quoted on the poster: Αριστοτέλης φιλόσοφος. So, here the "Greek connection" is exactly in place! Bulgaria bought back 20% of the shares of the LNG terminal in Alexandroupoli. The pipe from it is already connected to the Bulgarian gas transmission network. We also agreed on the supply of 1 billion square meters. Azerbaijani gas, which covers 30% of the country's needs. In short, Gazprom’s monopoly is broken. He will not be able to twist the hands of consumers further. Well, not at the expense of Russian ...

You yourself do not understand what nonsense you write?
If this were so, why continue negotiations with Gazprom? - went and bought 30% cheaper silently and has no more business with Gazprom, why such a high price, if there is a third lower?

Instead, they even remove a senior official from the negotiations. The President (!) Of Bulgaria publicly expresses dissatisfaction.

So you, the dearest Bulgarian propagandist, demonstrate only the weakness of your attempts to make a happy face in a bad situation.

[pytar]

You yourself do not understand what nonsense you write?

Soooo ... let's figure it out ...

If this were so, why continue negotiations with Gazprom? - went and bought 30% cheaper silently and has no more business with Gazprom, why such a high price, if there is a third lower?

1. Until now, Gazprom had a monopoly! There was nothing to talk about! How to say! 2.Diversification has happened! There are already other suppliers! We are negotiating! Who offers a lower price, from that we buy!
3. Normal market! Gazprom is one of the weighty games in it! The game for offenders is played in kindergarten! Do you understand?

So you, the dearest Bulgarian propagandist, demonstrate only the weakness of your attempts to make a happy face in a bad situation.

I am an ordinary citizen. I like when prices go down. You can continue to be rude. You won’t impress me. I assure you!

[Victor March 47]

Quote: bagatura

But tell me, please .... where did you decide to dissolve the SEV and VD? In Sofia or Moscow? You lost the Cold War, raised flags with your linen, removed the banter in Molta ... then your allies said, save yourself as you can. Now blame anyone you want but first of all look at yourself

Dissolving an alliance is not something to enter into another, hostile. If the vile want to join the ECONOMIC Union, then who is stopping them? But to join the military_ this is betrayal. Russia in 1991 itself experienced a disaster. And to give you, what we no longer had, do you want this? What do you mean, lost? It was you who pulled a heavy load of nutritious juices from the USSR. Until the tit has dried, they have eaten three throats, ..... such. When the tit has dried, they boldly and amicably began to bite. And become enemies.

[atalef]

Quote: Victor March 47

. If the vile want to join the ECONOMIC Union, then who is stopping them? But to join the military_ this is betrayal.

Betrayal?
And that Bulgaria swore eternal love and friendship?
Throwing Bulgaria. is not your betrayal your closest ally?

Quote: Victor March 47

Russia in 1991 itself experienced a disaster. And to give you, what we no longer had, do you want this?

no.
It’s like being married. parted. everyone is free to choose a mate.
Or will you stand up in the pose of your ex-spouse and yell, you betrayed me, married another
Dosvidos - divorced - by the way at the initiative of the spouse

Quote: Victor March 47

It was you who pulled a heavy load of nutritious juices from the USSR.

so rejoice. not betrayed - saved.

Quote: Victor March 47

When the tit has dried, they boldly and amicably began to bite. And become enemies.

here are the people. Well, just everyone owes you a coffin of life.
just dragged from the unfortunate
if so, everything was good with the USSR. well, from the Union everyone jumped in a jump 7
Incidentally, including 14 republics - 14 sisters. left the oldest one.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Be good, there will be a discount. Not for beautiful eyes give a discount?
Anyway, the Bulgarian president is not a figure to resent.

Discounts to the enemy? Not when!

[pytar]

Discounts to the enemy? Not when!

Miller thought and said: Yes, they are not enemies, not enemies!

[faterdom]

I don’t even understand from - but are we happy that he is unhappy? Or are we unhappy that he is unhappy?
Ah, got it! We are violet, he is satisfied, or dissatisfied. His private affair.

[Victor zibert]

These corrupt creatures don't want anything else ?!