Pension reform: the government “hewn itself”


If among the global decisions adopted in recent years by the Russian authorities try to look for one that is most consistent with the famous aphorism: “This is worse than a crime. This is a mistake ... ”, then the competitors of the attempt to carry out pension reform in our country, perhaps, will not be found. Few, even the most unpopular government measures, provoked such general rejection and friendly condemnation as this strategic miscalculation, which at once “collapsed” the popularity of the authorities. It turns out that the government "carved itself" ...


With all this, one should not forget that the rise of the “bar” for gaining a well-deserved rest can in no way be attributed exclusively to the “cannibalistic nature” of Russian officials. Alas, the upsurge, and quite a significant one, of retirement age, is now a worldwide trend, caused by purely objective reasons common to most more or less developed countries. Mankind is rapidly “aging” and is increasingly moving towards that line beyond which the number of pensioners will significantly exceed the number of those who, with their labor, will be able to provide them with a decent old age. That is, that is, and there is no reason to argue with this.

On the other hand, those who once again decided to bring domestic legislation “in line with the best world standards” made the same mistake that their many predecessors made over the decades. That is, they did not take into account the peculiarities of the national mentality, traditions and way of thinking, in fact, of the Russian people. Respect for old age, respectful attitude to elderly people - this, fortunately, is an integral part of the worldview of the vast majority of our fellow citizens. Allowing to throw in your face: “You are robbing the old people!”, Our “fathers of the people” ensured the receipt of a mark, which is very problematic to get rid of. But this is only one aspect.

It so happened that from time immemorial in the Russian state, people have become accustomed to treat the highest state power (no matter the tsar, the CPSU Central Committee or the president) as the chief arbiter and reliable defender in all critical situations. These are not the countries of the notorious “civilized world”, where, by and large, the mutual obligations of the power and the citizen are minimized. In our country, everyone absorbs the words “I should” almost with mother’s milk and subsequently lives with the firm belief that the native government, if something happens, will not give offense and will help in difficult times. It is not surprising, therefore, that almost everyone (and each) of the inhabitants of our country took pension innovations not just as a blow to their own wallet and life plans, but also saw in them the meanness, deceit and fraud directed against them personally.


One should not be surprised at all that the result was a drop in people's confidence in the authorities, hostility, based, as has already been said, on a deep personal insult, and the increased protest potential of society, in many cases instantly saddled by the cunning opposition public. Leaving aside the economic feasibility and appropriateness of this reform, which are now seriously argued under serious doubt, it is necessary to recognize the main thing: from the point of view of explaining to the people and minimizing the inevitable psychological “negative”, it turned out to be more than a failure.

However, now, in the process of discussing the forthcoming amendments to the Constitution, voices are being heard more loudly about the need, if not a complete cancellation, then at least a certain revision of a clearly unsuccessful innovation. There are also conspiracy theories that something similar was originally conceived - in strict accordance with the clever formula: “Do you want to make a person happy?” First ruin his life, and then return everything as it was ... ”Be that as it may, representatives of the domestic authorities really should use the present convenient moment to“ win back ”the wasted“ points ”of public trust and support. Surely in the future the authorities will still need them ...
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  1. Vladimir_2U 27 February 2020 08: 17 New
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    Mankind is rapidly “aging” and is increasingly moving towards that line beyond which the number of pensioners will significantly exceed the number of those who, with their labor, can provide them with a decent old age. That is, that is, and there is no reason to argue with this.
    As much as possible! Robotization and automation frees up many hands, and provides high-quality, mass and at the same time cheap production, including in agriculture! There is simply no profitability for those in power in this case, that's not interesting, it’s better to ruin any crap like superyachts.
    1. Far B 27 February 2020 08: 34 New
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      That's right. It was not for nothing that soon the "pension reform" DAM began to proclaim the idea of ​​a four-day-old. That is, he actually confirmed that, in fact, the total working experience can be reduced by 20% (by 8-9 years), and not be increased by five years. At the same time, in his usual manner, Mr. Medvedev did not even notice that he had completely raped the logic of his own decisions. However, from a person who castrates time zones, and then, in a different position, "sews" them back, there is no other way.
      1. Snail N9 27 February 2020 08: 45 New
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        power "shewn itself"

        Stupidity. The authorities achieved what she needed, in fact, threw off her pension, social obligations, with the tacit consent of the population. Now, any patriot can open the window and, again, shout, "Ale-ale! Russia, go ahead!"
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 February 2020 09: 18 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          Stupidity. The authorities achieved what she needed, in fact, threw off her pension, social obligations, with the tacit consent of the population.
          Exactly. And all that power is required of the population is easily achieved by simple political technologies, which we will see in full in the vote on amendments to the Constitution in the near future. Political technologies are cheaper than paying pensions, and as long as people buy on political technologies, it will continue so.
          1. Stas157 27 February 2020 09: 21 New
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            Wow! Harluzhny and such headings:

            Pension reform: power "shewn itself"

            Usually the author writes the opposite. But objection is traditionally necessary.

            Yes, everything is fine in power! Power makes what he wants, and people allow делать. Pension robbery is a thing of the past. Ahead is a new scam. Changing the structure of power under “beautiful” social conversations. Change of course for yourself. So all those who were previously indignant at the pension default are now invited to take part in a new swindle on Lenin’s birthday.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 February 2020 09: 33 New
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              In 2018, they voted for cartoons about rockets - they chose pension reform. In 2020 they will vote for the citizenship of officials and national law over international - again they will be very surprised.
            2. Boris55 27 February 2020 10: 15 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              So all those who were previously indignant at the pension default are now invited to take part in a new swindle on Lenin’s birthday.

              And from now on, in more detail. Share your thoughts with the people. What do you see as swindle in constitutional amendments? Which of them do you disagree with the most and why?

              About the retirement ... She generally could not be touched then, and now even more so. If now we canceled that increase in the retirement age, then the bourgeois will have the legal right to yell that there is no money for retirement and our pensioners will remain without increases ... one more drop on the side of the Maidan in Russia. Those who collect signatures on its cancellation do not understand this?

              I have already written more than once that the IMF's demand for raising the retirement age, which the previous government pushed at an extraordinary pace, is a decrease in the competitiveness of our country on the world stage, and an increase in domestic instability.
              1. Stas157 27 February 2020 10: 28 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                And from now on, in more detail. Share your thoughts with the people what do you see fraud in constitutional amendments?

                Well, you, Boris, calm down. The king is solely for the people. Here are the amendments to the Constitution in order to feed schoolchildren with free lunches. After all, there’s no other way! It is for you that this circus is arranged so that you come and vote as it should.
                1. Boris55 27 February 2020 10: 34 New
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                  Quote: Stas157
                  It is for you that this circus is arranged so that you come and vote as it should.

                  So I ask you to explain why you can’t vote for the presidential amendments? So far, I don’t see this from you, and what does school lunch and the Constitution have to do with it?

                  ps
                  If you forgot what amendments he made, then I can post it.
                  1. Stas157 27 February 2020 10: 51 New
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                    Quote: Boris55
                    So I ask you to explain

                    But have I ever been able to explain something to you, Boris? If faith in a good king is unshakable, then there is nothing to be done. However, try to answer a simple question: Why, so global and important, it was necessary to start a change in the Constitution, and in this regard, raise a grandiose hype and call a vote (an unexpected change of government is in the same row)?
                    The correct answer to this question is the answer to your question, Boris.
                    1. Boris55 27 February 2020 11: 23 New
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                      Quote: Stas157
                      Why, so global and important, it was necessary to start a change in the Constitution

                      You and many on the site are unhappy with the president. The president transfers part of his powers to others - parliament, the Federation Council. You are again unhappy. laughing

                      The purpose of the changes made by the president: to make clan groups and their representatives in power, work for the interests of Russia.

                      Quote: Stas157
                      unexpected change of government is in the same row?

                      Change of government - this is for pension reform. The rest - constitutional amendments, the same will not seem a little.

                      ps
                      "State policy and management in a crowd-elite society is an agreement reached on the possibilities of various clan-corporate groups in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."
                      1. Roman070280 27 February 2020 12: 39 New
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                        Change of government - this is for pension reform.

                        Bees against honey ..))
                      2. Revival 27 February 2020 13: 29 New
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                        Funny.
                        "You and many on the site are unhappy with the president. The president transfers part of his powers to others - parliament, the Federation Council. You are again unhappy."
                        Many are unhappy with the president’s policies because of the low level of salaries, wages, pensions.
                        In response, the president: “here I paint the refrigerator in yellow.”
                        Again unhappy.
                        What is it?
                      3. Pushkar 27 February 2020 17: 35 New
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                        Quote: Boris55
                        You and many on the site are unhappy with the president. The president transfers part of his powers to others - parliament, the Federation Council. You are again unhappy.

                        On this occasion there is a joke: "Grandson comes to grandfather:
                        - Grandfather, what is “staff rotation”?
                        Grandfather: - Now I will show.
                        He approaches a tree, and crows are sitting on it. He takes drin and how he will give it on wood. All crows break loose and fly. Five minutes later, the crows stop flying and again sit on a tree.
                        Grandfather: - You see! Each crow is now sitting on a new branch, but essentially nothing has changed! "
                      4. Private89 28 February 2020 14: 49 New
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                        Boris, you are certainly an idealist.
                        Since I see in your approach an unclear calculation that the power, after almost 30 years of a sweet life at the expense of the people, will suddenly change and will serve this people. Read better Marxist theory, arm yourself with it. And then the next time that the authorities want to cheat you, you will have strong immunity. After all, Marxist theory implies a scientific approach to the knowledge of reality. Boris is not about faces, but about the class. Even if Putin and his team remove some liberal clans from power, the clan of conditional patriots, headed by Putin, will not lose their membership in the bourgeois class, as a result, nothing will change for the common people.
                    2. 2 Level Advisor 27 February 2020 11: 38 New
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                      I think Boris will not give a clear answer, because it’s real - why make the most of the provisions already contained in federal laws for many years or provisions that are easily introduced into federal laws, and now also into the Constitution .. There’s no reason to explain this with legal logic .. that the Constitution sounds more formidable, so if you write there, immediately everything starts to work an order of magnitude better .. But Boris’s opinion, why do we need the State Council in the Constitution, would be curious to know ..
                      1. depressant 27 February 2020 12: 12 New
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                        Central Bank, colleagues, Central Bank.
                        Such amendments are introduced there ...
                        I’m not sure, but for some reason it seems to me that the hype around the State Council and Putin’s incorruptibility has been started in order to cover up amendments to the Central Bank. There are two parts. The good has already been rejected, the bad is being made. While studying the issue. I urge everyone: do it, find materials. Otherwise, it seems, they will finally put us under the control of world banking capital.
                      2. 2 Level Advisor 27 February 2020 14: 16 New
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                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna has not yet been adopted, while only those introduced by the President go further .. but they already raise many questions ..
                    3. Boris55 27 February 2020 12: 20 New
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                      Quote: 2 level advisor
                      why do we need the State Council in the Constitution

                      In order that the governors would not hide behind the president’s back, would not put him under attack, and the next time with the next increase in the retirement age or something like that, they would bear full responsibility for their “inaction”.

                      With an increase in retirement age, not a single governor supported the president. Now - if you please, get it. Sami asked for it.

                      ps
                      Do you know how the Constitution differs from laws?
                    4. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 38 New
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                      Nothing if you can change it whenever you want, with a vote and without it.
                      I can’t remember what date the referendum (vote) was when the term was increased to 6 years?
                    5. Boris55 27 February 2020 12: 46 New
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                      Quote: Revival
                      I can’t remember what date the referendum (vote) was when the term was increased to 6 years?

                      The extension of the "presidential term" and all these amendments, the Duma may accept without our participation. Only for change in chap. 1, 2 and 9, the convocation of the Constitutional Assembly is necessary, the law on which the Duma cannot adopt in any way.
                    6. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 49 New
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                      Well then, it means nothing can be changed, the mechanism provided for by the constitution has not been created!
                      To change the constitution contrary to the mechanism for changing the constitution prescribed in it? Norm?
                    7. 2 Level Advisor 27 February 2020 14: 27 New
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                      Quote: Boris55
                      Quote: 2 level advisor
                      why do we need the State Council in the Constitution

                      In order that the governors would not hide behind the president’s back, would not put him under attack, and the next time with the next increase in the retirement age or something like that, they would bear full responsibility for their “inaction”.

                      With an increase in retirement age, not a single governor supported the president. Now - if you please, get it. Sami asked for it.

                      ps
                      Do you know how the Constitution differs from laws?


                      Boris, in fact, as I said - you really and specifically do not answer anything .. because there is nothing to say except general phrases about improvement ..
                      And then the governors and the adoption of federal laws? do not explain? Do we have at least one governor naughty GDP in the country? Or do we already have a law on the State Council? Or will he instead of the Duma with the Federation Council? Or just another growth over them? Then why are they?
                      And my question was OTHER! I asked, "Quote: Level 2 adviser: why do we need the State Council in the Constitution"? What will become better for ordinary people and the country to live with his appearance than now?
                      And you are trying to reduce everything to what is more reliable in the Constitution .. Okay, so far we’ll omit this controversial point .. WHY did you need it after 20 years of GDP?
                2. New Year day 28 February 2020 11: 41 New
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                  Quote: Boris55
                  how is the constitution different from laws?

                  yes nothing! change and do not perform equally easily!
          2. Revival 27 February 2020 13: 13 New
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            3. On dual citizenship.
            26.07.2006/5/2006 Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Federal Law "On Amending Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation Regarding Clarification of Requirements for Filling State and Municipal Positions," adopted by the State Duma on July 14, XNUMX. and approved by the Federation Council on July XNUMX this year
            "In order to ensure the security of the state and in connection with the particular legal status of parliamentarians," persons with dual citizenship are prohibited from filling the posts of deputies of the State Duma, members of the Federation Council, as well as deputies of the legislative assemblies of constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
            A ban on dual citizenship is introduced to the chairman of the Accounts Chamber, his deputies and auditors, governors and the president of the Russian Federation. The law prohibits the citizenship of two or more countries from the secretary, permanent members and members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. "
            And no constitutional amendments are needed then or now!
            Or is it just some kind of law that you can not follow?
          3. Pushkar 27 February 2020 17: 42 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            So I ask you to explain why you can’t vote for the presidential amendments? So far, I don’t see this from you, and what does school lunch and the Constitution have to do with it?

            About school lunches. They will not cook at schools; there will be so-called autosorting, i.e. selected companies will bring ready meals to schools. Very interesting - whose firms will it be? Maybe Miratorg?
            1. New Year day 28 February 2020 11: 42 New
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              Quote: Pushkar
              Maybe Miratorg?

              in Moscow kids travanuli
        2. Lexus 27 February 2020 18: 25 New
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          This circus is for you

          So it was NODovtsy who collected signatures for this. Ornately silent, as taught, about their "main" goal. Many were so deceived. And I would be laughed if I did not know these "soup" and "who" is behind them. In RuNet, there is a lot of interesting things about them, but I chose the most cultural ones, because it’s very difficult to talk about the “clinic” without swear words ...


      2. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 01 New
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        Well, for example, about indexing:
        This is nothing more than fixing (legalizing) in the constitution of the meager size of pensions, allowances and wages.
        Since the norm on indexing is initially a shameful little mole, there is nothing more than an opportunity to declare here we are indexing, but more they say they don’t have to.
        And it is possible to index mockingly by 0,1%, or even by the size of inflation, there is nothing more than trampling in place, because in this case nothing improves!
        And it turns out that the constitution enshrines the obligation not to improve, but only to maintain at that level what is (in the best case). And given the shameful level of mole that now exists, this is a swindle
      3. akunin 27 February 2020 12: 09 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        that the IMF's demand for raising the retirement age, which the previous government pushed at an extraordinary pace

        dear, negotiate: "... and the president approved with his signature." , but it’s not fair (not a “Dimon”, but a demon is obtained).
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        1. Boris55 27 February 2020 12: 40 New
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          Quote: akunin
          "... and the president approved with his signature."

          For what reason could he not have signed the adopted Law by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council?

          1. akunin 27 February 2020 12: 46 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            For what reason could he not have signed the adopted Law by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council?

            you have this picture number 4 - control, control and many times control.
          2. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 50 New
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            Could.
            We have already sorted this out.
            1. Boris55 27 February 2020 13: 29 New
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              Quote: Revival
              Could.
              We have already sorted this out.

              Could not. The adopted law did not contradict the norms of the Constitution.
              1. Revival 27 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                Contradicts. Since it worsens the situation.
                And more than that, I didn’t mean that.
      4. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 27 New
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        2. Amendment of priority over international law.
        Generally a purely made-up chimera, there is no such problem at all.
        At the moment, in order for any agreement or convention to be effective for Russia, they must be voluntarily signed and ratified by Russia itself! Voluntarily!
        Do not want do not sign!
        And then I signed it!
        Despite the fact that upon ratification in the State Duma, they first get the constitutional committee to conclude on the constitutionality of the agreement proposed for ratification!
        And now there is a mechanism for withdrawing from any agreement, do not want to fulfill it, exit it.
        What is the problem.
        Or do we want absurdity? Tipo signed, you can’t get out of the contract, but you’re not fulfilling it, referring to your constitution !? Schizophrenics chtoli pretend?
        Many who will conclude agreements with us at all, with such an initial position?
        For example, we concluded a loan agreement, you gave me a million, and then I declare that my internal principles do not allow me to repay the debt, bye!
        And yet, if international norms, laws, conventions are so directly obligatory, then how to explain that they still manage to resist the ratification of the convention on corruption, where it is proposed to compare the revenues and expenses of civil servants? Heroic struggle! And without amendments they spit on international standards when necessary and no excessive dictatorship is visible.
        1. Alex_59 27 February 2020 15: 22 New
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          And now there is a mechanism for withdrawing from any agreement, do not want to fulfill it, exit it.

          Violently plus! People who do not have experience in contract work (99% of the population) for some reason believe that a contract is an obligation. But this is not so. This is a voluntary offer of two parties. Obligations can arise only during the process of execution of the contract, but not until. For example, seller A entered into a contract for the supply of computers with buyer B. The agreement was concluded, but the dollar suddenly rose and supplier A tells buyer B that it’s not profitable for me to sell you under the terms of this agreement, so go ahead with the forest. Buyer B says - okay, we won’t pay you then. And that’s it. There was a contract, there was no contract - there is no difference at all. Do not want to - do not fulfill the contract and all. Terminated and satisfied. The same is in international affairs. It was profitable - concluded a contract. It became not profitable - immediately terminated. Nobody will force you to fulfill any contracts. It is simply not possible.
          Now, if you have been provided with a service or the goods have been handed over under a contract, but you are not paying, then yes, you are violating obligations. But even that - there are not many measures to force you. Sue. And what about the court? Well, he will make the obvious decision that yes, you should. And where is the loot? If you are, for example, a goal like a falcon, a car on your wife, an apartment on your mother-in-law. In international affairs, it’s even worse - and there is really no court, and if there is, then it’s all the more possible to score on its decisions at any time and will not do anything special to you. Will they go to war?
          1. Revival 28 February 2020 15: 52 New
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            They try to present us with this amendment in the following form, which is supposedly under the constitution in its current form: they accepted some norm somewhere abroad and we are obliged to fulfill it)))))
  2. Paul Siebert 27 February 2020 13: 55 New
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    Political technologies are cheaper than paying pensions

    Anecdote in the topic:
    Our scientists recently established the fact that Ivan Tsarevich killed Koshchei the Immortal on the instructions of the Pension Fund of Russia ... laughing
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    It is still a question of whom to consider as a patriot.
  • Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    Leftists love to search for logic where it does not exist. Statements by authorities are populism that has nothing to do with actions. The actions of the authorities are attempts to keep the situation under control, to stay on their own.

    There is no money in the budget and there is nothing to pay pensions from. Everyone who is officially working, and so pays 22% per month of the figures in the contract - this is a lot. But this is not enough.

    To leave the retirement age where he was - it is necessary to increase the collection of this tax. Either increase the tax (by lowering salaries), or tax those who have not paid it before. Individual entrepreneurs, self-employed, rentiers working in black .. that is, again, everything is taken away and divided.
    1. Vladimir_2U 27 February 2020 08: 59 New
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      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Leftists love to search for logic where it does not exist
      Sometimes logic is implicit.
      1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 14 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Leftists love to search for logic where it does not exist
        Sometimes logic is implicit.

        Yeah, when someone thinks in their favor.
    2. Svarog 27 February 2020 09: 03 New
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      Quote: Sancho_SP
      To leave the retirement age where he was - it is necessary to increase the collection of this tax. Either increase the tax (by lowering salaries), or tax those who have not paid it before. Individual entrepreneurs, self-employed, rentiers working in black .. that is, again, everything is taken away and divided.

      For decent pensions and fulfilling social obligations, it will be enough to nationalize the oil and gas industry and alcohol .. This is a real asset that should belong to the people!
      1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 10: 02 New
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        Oil and gas is already taxed above the roof. Nowhere do oil workers pay so much taxes per tonne of mining as in Russia. And given that state-owned enterprises are much less effective than private ones, after nationalization, budget revenues from oil and gas are more likely to not increase, but decrease.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Oil and gas is already taxed above the roof. Nowhere do oil workers pay so much taxes per tonne of mining as in Russia.

          Oh well .. but what about offshore payments, payments to shareholders, and almost all of them are “partners”, maintenance of lopsided football players, churches, purchases at super high prices ..
          1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 10: 09 New
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            Profits are transferred to offshore, after taxes already paid. My profit is what I want, I’m doing it with her. Shareholders invested in the company, free and entitled to rely on dividends. Sports support? Let the private trader do this, not the state budget.
            1. Svarog 27 February 2020 10: 21 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Profits are transferred to offshore, after taxes already paid.

              It’s not a fact that after paying taxes, this is firstly, secondly, profits could go directly to the budget, thirdly, shareholders in the oil and gas sector are more politics than business, the USSR did well without them, fourthly, sports church, overpriced purchases, RFP incredible management, if all this is calculated, I’m sure that the amount there will be oh what .. So I will remain of my opinion that the oil and gas industry, alcohol, energy, the largest strategic enterprises should belong to the state. This will provide opportunities for development and social programs .. Do not forget that the USSR lived pretty well for 70 years, while half the world contained five millionth army, with a huge number of bases around the world .. now there is no half world in content . need ...
              1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 10: 28 New
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                The Soviet Union lived, to put it mildly, not very, in comparison with developed countries. Maybe, really, because he fed half the world of parasites. Remember the joke:
                Brezhnev ordered a bust.
                Fashioned him with two huge tits.
                “Why else?”
                - Well, how: one you feed the social of the country, the other - developing.
                - And what am I feeding the Union with?
                -So you just ordered a bust for yourself!
                1. Svarog 27 February 2020 10: 36 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  The Soviet Union lived, to put it mildly, not very, in comparison with developed countries. Maybe, really, because he fed half the world of parasites. Remember the joke:
                  Brezhnev ordered a bust.
                  Fashioned him with two huge tits.
                  “Why else?”
                  - Well, how: one you feed the social of the country, the other - developing.
                  - And what am I feeding the Union with?
                  -So you just ordered a bust for yourself!

                  A stupid joke .. my brothers and I, and the population of the USSR in general, were only growing, which means that I did not die of hunger, and the products were not like that now, the chemistry is solid. And now, judging by the demographics, there is no problem with food, but not everyone can buy it. Yes, the assortment was not big .. but firstly, is it really necessary to have a huge assortment, of poor quality ... and secondly, yes, I agree that there were problems in the TMP .. But they are solvable and much easier to solve than to revive science and industry now ..
                  1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 11: 00 New
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                    There were no such surrogation technologies in the food industry then, so they ate the product in kind. Although food pulp began to be added to sausages in the late 70s. If the Union had not collapsed and the Communists had remained in power, now they would have eaten exactly the same chyme, and they would have stood in line for it, without a choice. Now there is a choice and you can buy normal foodstuffs from a different price category, of course.
                    And it was invested in freeloaders inappropriately, instead of spending these funds on the development of their own country. So, the squandering of the "public domain" is not now invented. Moreover, they invested without the prospect of making a profit from investments. The same States were much more reasonable - for every cent invested - a dollar of profit and financial dependence on the donor.
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          2. Roman070280 27 February 2020 12: 42 New
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            Profits are transferred to offshore, after taxes already paid.

            Well, here you have stolen pensions .. taken offshore ..
            1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 12: 58 New
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              Looking into someone else’s pocket, in general - Moveton. To take away and share everything is the way of the Sharikovs.
              1. Roman070280 27 February 2020 13: 06 New
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                The whole country is building some kind of plant / state district power station, fighting for centuries over land, gaining valuable resources .. - and the next diving boy buys himself from this yacht over the hill ..
                And all sorts of Sharov’s indulge this .. they say, people's resources are someone else’s pocket ..
                At the same time forgetting how they end up in that pocket ..
                1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 13: 31 New
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                  When these resources were popular, what nonsense. They were state. If, for example, I rent an oil field, pay subsurface taxes, taxes and excise duties in the prescribed manner, who cares what the dog is, what will I spend my own profit on?
                2. Roman070280 27 February 2020 13: 42 New
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                  If, for example, I rent an oil field, I pay for the use of subsoil, taxes, excise taxes according to established orderwho cares what the dog, what I will spend my own profit?


                  - Bandits! - said Spikelet with irritation. - Honestly, bandits! In fact, the duty of the police is to protect the population from the robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us hiding behind laws that they themselves come up with. And what, tell me, is the difference, according to the law they will rob me or not according to the law? I do not care! "Dunno on the Moon"
                3. Revival 27 February 2020 13: 59 New
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                  Yes, only the problem is that first I set up for myself what kind of law, tax, excise tax is necessary, and then I myself rent it according to my own rules.
                4. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 14: 33 New
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                  There are no such taxes on oil and gas, as in Russia, in any country in the world. We have the highest. So, it is unlikely that their "oil kings" themselves have established.
                5. Revival 27 February 2020 15: 34 New
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                  Norway, is there a low tax?
        2. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 13: 07 New
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          Do not distort! It is only necessary to take away the loot.
        3. Revival 27 February 2020 13: 57 New
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          To look into the pocket of the one who takes out of your pocket is a completely different story.
          And the “ball" here is so easy not to wave
        4. Was mammoth 27 February 2020 16: 35 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          To take away and share everything is the way of the Sharikovs.

          And whose way is to steal, rob and "all according to the law"? wink
          Quote: Revival
          To look into the pocket of the one who takes out of your pocket is a completely different story.
          And the “ball" here is so easy not to wave

          The author of the comment proposes to disperse the prosecutor's office .... wink
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          1. AU Ivanov. 28 February 2020 22: 34 New
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            Have you ever, at least, tried to organize your own business? Or manage the company? Or both at once? So remember: business is hard work and not everyone has enough mind and energy to do this. Everyone can work with their hands; not everyone can work with their heads. I repeat, conducting your business is not as easy as it seems to you. Especially in our conditions, when the state supports the entrepreneur only in words.
          2. Private89 29 February 2020 08: 04 New
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            Those. the oligarchs in one helmet, with their own labor “earned” their billions. Do not fool people. The functions of management (control) will be handled by an employee for salary, and not for profit. And to direct the profit to the creation of socially significant goods.
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            So organize YOUR business. Do not go to the people and their property!
  • akunin 27 February 2020 12: 55 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Profits are transferred to offshore, after taxes already paid.

    I have a question: "why withdraw profits in offshore if taxes are paid?" and why do you need offshore if you have transparent accounting?
    1. Alex_59 27 February 2020 15: 44 New
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      I have a question: "why withdraw profits in offshore if taxes are paid?" and why do you need offshore if you have transparent accounting?

      Because the business is not sure that tomorrow, on orders from above, there will be no raider seizure of the business. A small business would do the same, but cannot, due to its modest scale. And medium and large - maybe it does. Bookkeeping may be transparent, but what is above bookkeeping, decision-making mechanisms, etc. may not be very transparent.
      In general, in our country it is very difficult to do business absolutely in accordance with all laws and regulations. You just have to take out your whole soul, along with a significant share of income, and if you want to earn money normally, you have to make certain violations - some have big ones, some have small ones. But you are opening a business to live well and well, and not to pay for all sorts of crazy ideas of our officials. Hence the situation. It's like in a war - there are no innocents.
      And by the way, if necessary, it is precisely according to this scheme that raider captures are carried out. One of the schemes. You became interesting to someone of those that are larger, and suddenly you start quite legal prosecutorial and other checks with audits. And then people in civilian clothes come and say - sell your business for not expensive, be a man. But you won’t sell it - checks will become more frequent and still find something that you can cover for.
      1. akunin 28 February 2020 14: 40 New
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        Quote: Alex_59
        In general, in our country it is very difficult to do business absolutely in accordance with all laws and regulations

        Bookkeeping may be transparent, but what about bookkeeping, decision-making mechanisms, etc. may not be very transparent.

        I do not strongly believe in law-abiding entrepreneurs, frosty and mammoth, especially if
        decision-making mechanisms and so on - may not be very transparent.
        (we steal but a little bit, just a little).
  • Revival 27 February 2020 13: 51 New
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    That's exactly MY profit in this place and should not be.
  • Private89 28 February 2020 20: 39 New
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    And if tomorrow all Rosneft employees do not go to work, will shareholders be able to profit from such an enterprise? These shareholders are a bunch of parasites on our neck, earned their capital by appropriating other people's labor.
  • Nehist 27 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    You still forgot that like any jumps in prices per barrel, oil and gas workers require money from the budget to support their pants and to modernize production again. And they get it. Instead of investing profits in your own modernization. But tax fees must also be changed. Since our refining due to taxes is simply not profitable.
  • AA17 27 February 2020 12: 01 New
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    Dear, AC Ivanov. "... And when you consider that state-owned enterprises are much less effective than private ones ..." - Your phrase is very doubtful. Very often company owners are not the direct managers of their companies. OWNERS of companies use hired specialists to manage their organizations. Who prevents the State from hiring effective specialists, and then carefully monitoring their work.
    I would like to see your comment on the information below.
    "...." TOMORROW. "As far as I know, you found the same discrepancies in customs statistics as with Ukraine, between Russia and its other foreign trade partners.
    Vasily SIMCHERA. For example, in 2015, these gaps in oil export to Germany amounted to 2,5 times. According to our documents, we sold to Germany about 22 million tons of oil in the amount of 10,9 billion dollars, and in the German reporting means the purchase of 54 million tons of Russian "black gold" in the amount of 27,1 billion dollars. In the oil trade of the Russian Federation and the United States this gap is 3,3 times, with France - 2,5 times, with Ukraine - 1,8 times .... "http://zavtra.ru/blogs/pravda_i_lozh_statistiki
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 12: 48 New
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      Who is stopping the government from hiring competent managers? No personal interest, at least. As a maximum, one of his own will be appointed to the position of leader, regardless of his professional qualities. That we, in fact, now have in state enterprises.
      1. AA17 27 February 2020 13: 33 New
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        Is a good salary on the part of the State - is this not a personal interest? For some reason, there are many who want to privatize efficient enterprises, and there are no people who want to invest in a backward "killed" company in order to "raise" it from scratch. You did not comment on the statistics of oil sales from Russia and from the side of the purchasing countries. This is in your phrase: "... Profits are brought to offshore, after taxes have already been paid. My profit is what I want to do with it. The shareholders invested in the company, it is free to pay dividends ....". We are waiting for a comment from you, why the reporting information from Russia and foreign countries does not coincide ????
  • Revival 27 February 2020 12: 04 New
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    1. What is the axiom that state-owned enterprises are less effective?
    2. What are the yachts built and billions accumulated if oil and gas money is all in the budget.
    And they should be ALL in the budget.
    1. Roman070280 27 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      Some comrades that on the forehead, that on the forehead ..
      You read them, and you are amazed .. but in the same schools / institutes they seemed to study with them ..
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 13: 09 New
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        It’s just that these "comrades" learned to "catch fish in troubled waters" well, that is, they themselves settled down, and they didn’t care about others.
  • 2 Level Advisor 27 February 2020 18: 28 New
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    Andrey, in theory you are partly right .. But why are these offices always pulling help from the state? then subsidies (incentives) for the development of deposits, then on roads, then on ships, etc.? they themselves must at their own expense, if they are so effective, do all this, and then - how are the costs of the state, and how the profit is so halved ..
    Here I agree with Svarog — in state hands — from oil and gas and alcohol — the budget would be filled by an order of magnitude without “defective” ones with hundreds of millions of premiums and salaries ... because these are goods with iron demand and prices .. they’ll promote "no need ...
  • knn54 27 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    The appointment of the "publican" as prime minister has led to the fact that the "fiscal holes" are patched at the expense of people.
    It’s also much easier.
    1. Stas157 27 February 2020 09: 46 New
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      Appointment of the Publican as Prime Minister led to the fact that "fiscal holes" are patched at the expense of people.

      This is symbolic and very helpful. I am not at all surprised that the tax collector was most effective as part of the past, a completely liberal government. Grandmas to select-not to build an economy.
  • 210ox 27 February 2020 09: 12 New
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    Yes, and why not pay those who have not paid before? It is not at all taken away and divided. Yes and about there is no money in the budget. There are so many that they cannot even master.
    1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 10: 51 New
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      That's why I propose: let's show how we relate to them and fail at the referendum all these amendments to the constitution, especially since these amendments are still a dummy.
  • SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 09: 29 New
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    Why is there nothing to pay pensions for? Is our economy on the rise or not? Is Russia getting up off its knees or not? Judging by the pension reform, Russia is in a deep peak! That means paying high salaries not lower than world money is! And there’s no money to pay a pension !? How so? Why is this so? Why do some pay according to their needs (communism!), But for others there is no money? Under what control to keep the situation? Withdrawal of money to offshore companies is not amenable to control? It turns out pensioners rob the state ?! What are offshore companies doing? There are no Russian chain stores in Russia. We not only do not know how to produce, but also trade! Well, look at the registration of networks. Foreign cars! It turns out Russia is stupidly sold !? Or an independent country? Yes, you are a weeder and a fly! Everything is bad with you! For citizens of Russia, connection to electricity or gas is free or for money? Is connection fee an indicator of a high standard of living for Russians? Yes, this is an indicator of a high standard of living !? Higher than in Europe and the USA? Therefore, can I raise my retirement age? But what about physiology? Will 20 and 60 year olds show similar results when passing the TRP standards? Isn't it strange that with increasing working time the retirement age is also raised? It seems that the technique is developing. Why is age raised? I understand if the shift was reduced to 5 hours and the retirement age was raised. But today it’s already 12-15 hours a day of intensive work! Do you want to work for an uncle, open an IP !? Today I watched the local news. IP and LLC are closed. It turns out the Russians today as the US Indians ?! Cleaning the territory?
    1. Malyuta 27 February 2020 10: 58 New
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      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
      Why is there nothing to pay pensions for? Is our economy on the rise or not? Is Russia getting up off its knees or not? Judging by the pension reform, Russia is in a deep peak! That means paying high salaries not lower than world money is! And there’s no money to pay a pension !? How so? Why is this so? Why do some pay according to their needs (communism!), But for others there is no money?

      Everything is very simple, PF plundered 3 times. And if someone forgot, then the pension reform began in the zero, when they came up with a gasket in the form of PF and non-state. penny. funds that have been plundered in full favor. And the abolition of pensions is the last chord.
      1. knyf 27 February 2020 12: 47 New
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        Everything is very simple, PF plundered 3 times
        In fact, every year the use of funds from the PF is extended.
  • Freeman 27 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    ... There is no money in the budget and there is nothing to pay pensions for ...

    To leave the retirement age where he was - it is necessary to increase the collection of this tax. Either increase the tax (by lowering salaries), or tax those who have not paid it before. Individual entrepreneurs, self-employed, rentiers working in black .. that is, again, everything is taken away and divided.


    The welfare state (according to the Constitution) can and should pay pensions from the budget.
    And in order to fill the empty budget, it is necessary to return at least the raw material sectors of the economy (not to mention railway transport and energy) under state control.
    That is, to conduct partial deprivatization (not to be confused with nationalization).
    1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 37 New
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      The welfare state (according to the Constitution) can and should pay pensions from the budget.


      From some abstract budget? And why then only to old people, and not to all? Why pensions and not unconditional income?


      That is, to conduct partial deprivatization (not to be confused with nationalization).


      Oh, take away all privatized apartments - too?)
      1. Freeman 27 February 2020 10: 24 New
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        From some abstract budget? And why then only to old people, and not to all? Why pensions and not unconditional income?

        To begin with, to deal with pensions.

        As for the unconditional income - I am against it.
        This will give rise to a class of parasites, as in the USA, where some families, for generations, have been living on social benefits.

        Oh, take away all privatized apartments - too?)

        I, in my opinion, clearly indicated that deprivatization should be partial. And he even indicated which industries it should concern in the first place.
        And privatized property is not only apartments.
        Someone privatized state property in the form of factories and natural resources, and they threw us a “handout” in the form of apartments.
        Which, by the way, before being transferred to the property, had to be overhauled. But this was not done, and now we still pay the bills “for overhaul”.
        So, do not worry about your apartment.
        1. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 42 New
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          Yes, with an apartment it’s such a primitive trolling technique to bring to absurdity.
          It is convenient when there is an obligation to blur the topic, but essentially nothing to say ...
      2. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 07 New
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        Apartments do not play such a role as factories, entire industries.
        Your grotesque juggling past
  • Revival 27 February 2020 12: 40 New
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    What I did not notice was that the government moved to domestic inexpensive cars, there is no money in the budget, then there are clothes and clothes.
    Or are they just for someone not?
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    There is no money in the budget and there is nothing to pay pensions from. Everyone who is officially working, and so pays 22% per month of the figures in the contract - this is a lot. But this is not enough.

    Ministry of Finance: Russian budget surplus exceeded 3 trillion rubles Link: https://www.bfm.ru/news/429544
  • Svarog 27 February 2020 09: 00 New
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    Quote: Far In
    However, from a person who castrates time zones, and then, in a different position, "sews" them back, there is no other way.

    There he has a much larger list .. police, police .. but the point is not even that .. Medvedev is a performer. The final decision was made by Putin .. and despite his public promises not to review the retirement age ..
  • Malyuta 27 February 2020 10: 17 New
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    The authorities found a second oil in Russia, it is a tacitly submissive population that is easier to extract and monetize. The main milestones of this tragicomedy, the monetization of benefits, the ban on rallies, the pension reform in fact CANCELING PENSIONS and here is the last act of the Marleson ballet is a constitutional change with the consolidation of slave labor in 180 dollars and the transition to the monarchy.
    There are those here who still do not understand everything?
  • bandabas 27 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    And Mr. Medvedev has no logic in principle. He blunders everything. In a word, YotaPhone.
  • Paul Siebert 27 February 2020 20: 35 New
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    Having gained her seniority, she is still healthy.
    Could retire Cow.
    Not allowed. They said to her: "Where are you going?
    You are too young for retirement!
    You are aged, but there is still strength
    Could you give birth to another calf.
    Look, the udder isn’t even dry!
    Go on, until you’re dead! "
    The poor Valerian was drunk
    And then they milked for three years!
    She fell on the milking, at the can:
    She died before she reached retirement ...

    Believe me - an insatiable womb
    Always ready to milk us to the grave! .. wink
  • 210ox 27 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    I judge agriculture, where I work. Now there is no need in the farm with a dozen Niv Two or three Acros are enough for example (domestic, by the way) Try now to get a combine harvester. Develop production and all will be happy. No, we must follow in the footsteps from the time of Tsar Pea — taxes, taxes, and even taxes, and how to squeeze more out of hard workers.
    1. Campanella 27 February 2020 17: 38 New
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      Who should develop it? Kremlin lawyers? They know nothing in life!
      We would like and could have developed a long time ago. They have another talent to steer financial flows sucked from nature and people.
  • Arlen 27 February 2020 11: 42 New
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    The argument cited by the authorities on the issue of pension reform is that by raising the retirement age, they give people the opportunity to work longer. The government violated the human right to retire on time, in accordance with the law established at the time of the adoption of the pension reform. No one has prevented retirees from working ever. The pensioner felt in himself the opportunity to work, he continued to work! Now there is no strength to work, but you must work!
    Pension reform in Russia is not a demographic problem, as they try to explain to us. Pension reform is an indicator of the "success" of the country's capitalist reforms.
    1. Campanella 27 February 2020 17: 43 New
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      What is this father of the people to discuss? Every time he gets into his pants. Stalin checked, delved into all matters, and this one flutters from the camera to the camera.
      24 hours a day already sick. And this is not his know-how. So transmonopolies hold the world in their hands through clowns, supposedly endowed with power.
  • The leader of the Redskins 27 February 2020 08: 17 New
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    Not bad. I sometimes scroll many words from the article myself in my head. Regarding the act of power to pensioners. I'm up to the well-deserved age of “fifteen” more, if not more (right now the devil himself will break his leg with recounts). And honestly, I don’t know what to count on!
    1. Svarog 27 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I'm up to the well-deserved age of “fifteen” more, if not more (right now the devil himself will break his leg with recounts). And honestly, I don’t know what to count on!

      Only for good luck .. relying on the state now is not reasonable .. Many figures in the government generally for abolishing pensions .. and it is not clear what will happen when Putin becomes Elbasy .. But even what has already been done is very strong affect the demography .. naturally with a minus sign.
    2. cloud catcher 27 February 2020 09: 21 New
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      On the website of the government of the Russian Federation, the only one who spoke in favor of prescribing the old retirement age in the Constitution (55 and 60, for women and men, respectively) was Mironov.
      Let Europe retire and aspire to 67!
      But ... (already wrote)
      No one recalls that the average number of working hours in:
      Netherlands -27 h;
      Finland - 32 hours;
      Denmark - 32,4 hours;
      Germany - 34,3 h;
      France - 35 hours!
      Unions continue to wage a long struggle to reduce it, and reduce the working day to 6 hours!
      And we tighten all the "nuts".
      Do, then the number of working hours per week is 33 - 35 (while maintaining the salary), I will be for such a PR.
      1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 24 New
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        So who is stopping you from working at least an hour a week? You want no less hours, but more money.
      2. Revival 27 February 2020 12: 10 New
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        No, right now they’ll tell you that in these countries they work for 80 hours, and you have come up with everything.
        And then you give too inconvenient information)
    3. Campanella 27 February 2020 17: 46 New
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      The authorities clearly indicated that you and the state should not count on it.
      And she will milk us anyway, until the guard gets tired.
    4. Private89 28 February 2020 21: 01 New
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      No one will give us deliverance:
      Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
      We will achieve liberation
      With his own hand.
  • Cut Samshitov 27 February 2020 08: 21 New
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    Monetization of benefits, reform of housing and communal services, cancellation of debts to the "poor" oligarchs .... They got indignant and calmed down. Why is pension reform worse?
  • rocket757 27 February 2020 08: 21 New
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    people are accustomed to treating the highest state power (no matter the tsar, the Central Committee of the CPSU or the president) as the chief arbiter and reliable defender

    Habit, second nature!
    Shaw to say, shaw to say ... but now there is nothing to say, it remains to be expressed by ......
  • Livonetc 27 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    The strange title of the article.
    The powerful have always been good.
    If they remove it, they will provide a warm place for sure.
    And with the people as investors.
    By the saying of the financiers.
    "There is no such deceived investor who could not be deceived twice."
    What is there twice ...
    1. Berber 27 February 2020 08: 59 New
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      There were probably four of these pension reforms only in my memory. And each for a better life. We can’t rely on the state. But you need to love your homeland! Here is a paradox.
      1. 210ox 27 February 2020 09: 17 New
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        By the way. Tell about three of them. About one thing, everything is in the know. I do not consider reform a constant shattering in the fund, such as freezing.
        1. Berber 27 February 2020 09: 26 New
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          Raising the bar by age - there wasn’t, but, as you say, every “re-hitting in the fund” (I’m talking about this) does not add confidence to the authorities. Where is the guarantee that they will not be “thrown” again.
  • Mihail55 27 February 2020 08: 34 New
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    The very amount of the current pension is ridiculous. On the "top ten" to live and pay with housing and communal services ... how? He doesn’t even know the GDP ... Forcibly he has to plow up to white slippers ...
  • jovanni 27 February 2020 08: 34 New
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    Why did she "carve herself"? We are carved. And continues to slash. And working pensioners, also on the head ... But these ratings do not care for her. She, in power, has the Kkisilevosolovievskabeevs on this ...
    1. parusnik 27 February 2020 08: 42 New
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      The neighbor, a working pensioner, was optimized with the words that there is a pension, you will live, there is nowhere to work for young people .... The salary was 20 tyrov ...
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 09: 40 New
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        I think the whole point of the pension reform was to fill people with pre-retirement age with all the low-paying jobs. People before retirement with their teeth hold on to any job. These young ones flutter like butterflies. Thus, retirees support private business and increase its profits. And 20 tyrov for the regions is a very good salary!
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      If she "carved herself," I’m afraid to say what she did to us ...
  • parusnik 27 February 2020 08: 34 New
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    It is not at all surprising that the result was a drop in people's confidence in the authorities
    .... And it was ... trust? There was hope ... that, here ... the government will turn to face the people ... But hope has died .. smile
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 08: 56 New
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      She turned to the people a long time ago. The people did not understand this. The authorities finally understood this and turned their backs on, because a discussion with the people turns out to be equivalent to a discussion between the owner and the dog, which, at least you are cracked, but incapable of making decisions and does not understand that all her well-being is only the result of the owner’s desire.
  • Gardamir 27 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    And let's fantasize, for these fantasies are already in the near future.
    At a medical factory, robots produce and pack medicines. A computer distributes drugs to pharmacies as requested. An unmanned vehicle delivers medicine. The person who comes to the pharmacy selects the right medicine in the menu, pays with a smartphone. However, why go to the pharmacy, drones will deliver anywhere.
    Should people be deprived of their pensions? Let the robots inject, not a man.
    1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 08: 53 New
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      People built a factory, a car, developed medicines. The fact that several low-paid low-skilled workers dropped out of the process does not make the economy “robotic”.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 09: 45 New
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        Why are they low paid? But because they decided so! And let's make the director’s payment minimal! Why not? Why can a janitor pay a minimum wage. but not the director? Not enough for a director to live? And why does the janitor have a minimum wage? Maybe the director’s requests are too high? How about such questions?
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 10: 05 New
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          And will you find a person for the position of director, for a meager salary?
          1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 28 New
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            Well, the janitors are found on meager salaries! Judging by the number of bankruptcies, directors are not much different from janitors! And generally speaking! Why should a director have an exorbitant salary? What is the business rationale for this? To reduce costs, he should have a minimum! Here you are at all for free. Have you got less from this mind?
            1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 10: 32 New
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              I, at one time, was offered a position in the airline. One and a half hundred. He refused. This is troublesome. And there is a lot of responsibility. This post was long vacant.
              And wisely, the director should sit on a minimum salary and a percentage of profits. For personal interest. And so - what a salary - such a job.
      2. Hagalaz 27 February 2020 13: 09 New
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        The man offered to fantasize. Just about when the whole economy is robotic. About the factory and the car is just the simplest example.
    2. EvilLion 27 February 2020 08: 54 New
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      One problem. The robot does not create any surplus value. So, there will simply be no money for paying for a smartphone with a person with injecting robots. I do not even ask who will do all this and will provide a monstrous amount of energy.
      1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 20 New
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        What nonsense is that? There is no spherical robot in a vacuum that creates something completely independently and without the expense of resources.

        Automation reduces the number of low-skilled workers. The engineer, programmer and biologist have not gone anywhere. Namely, they produce the product, and not a monkey (or a simple machine) sticking labels or rolling cans.

        And the question, in general, is that an engineer, programmer and biologist would feed unskilled workers who have become useless for no reason. This is the left heresy.
        1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 11: 05 New
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          This is nonsense because it doesn’t reach you that the robotization of production increases labor productivity in this production and reduces the cost of goods produced.
          1. saigon 27 February 2020 19: 06 New
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            I will tell you a terrible secret, a terrible secret - robotization requires high-quality raw materials.
            In our Russian conditions, the owner of the conditional Vasya, for example, buys metal from the conditional Gosha and preferably at a cheap price.
            I’m talking about real production, not about theory, and here from the metal produced by Gosha according to the technical specifications created by the same Gosha trying to make products using robots.
            We continue the robot in a shift in 8 hours, makes 4 products, the welder in 8 hours on the floor of the machine digests 12-14 products in three shifts, the robot issues 12 products in two shifts of welders 24-28 products. Moreover, for each robot there is one operator, that is, three operators for three shifts.
            In this case, the metal is deshmansky and the quality of the robot is frankly shitty.
            I’ll continue about welding production for the robot, I need equipment and here highly educated technologists and programmers go to the mechanic Feda, you need to do this and that, the mechanic and the pancake do it as always the first time, the equipment doesn’t work, that is, you have to refine the flight of engineering to the required condition.
            Here's a story about real production and robots on it.
        2. Hagalaz 27 February 2020 13: 19 New
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          The question also arises as to what programmer, biologist and engineer still need to be learned, and before that, a person must still be born prone to one or another kind of activity. There are no universal people.
    3. Loess 27 February 2020 09: 01 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      At a medical factory, robots produce and pack medicines. A computer distributes drugs to pharmacies as requested. An unmanned vehicle delivers medicine. The person who comes to the pharmacy selects the right medicine in the menu, pays with a smartphone. However, why go to the pharmacy, drones will deliver anywhere.

      Handsomely. You can imagine that drugs are distributed free of charge to everyone who needs it. But...
      Quote: Gardamir
      Should people be deprived of their pensions? Let the robots inject, not a man.

      And then what to pay for those who have not yet reached retirement age? Now they pay for the work, but if the robots work, and not the person ...? Benefit to pay? Unemployment? And then the minimum pension?
      Well, it’s clear that the official’s robot will not replace (although, probably, in some cases this is possible) and it’s clear that the robots need maintenance. But the whole population cannot be attached to officials and service staff for robots ...
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 00 New
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        And then what to pay for those who have not yet reached retirement age?
        Well, the oligarchs are paid grandmas. although they are not retired! Sechin is also paid, but he is not retired. Why can they be paid such money? What is their effectiveness? And what does the minimum mean is normal for a normal life !? If lawmakers believe that the minimum wage is normal, then the question is. Why lawmakers themselves do not live at their legislative minimum normal level? Is it lynching, to determine the worthy and unworthy? AND! This law defines! And who makes the laws? In general, everything is lawful and fair ?! Or not? What law should be a stratification of society? By what law is the difference in income adopted? How much should the income difference be? In one, two. a million times? Why should this difference be legal? Why can't a janitor have a Bentley, but a lord can?
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 18: 39 New
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          The oligarch is a businessman. Whoever pays him the money, it seems that he lives from his profit.
          1. Private89 28 February 2020 21: 19 New
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            Profit is created by the labor of workers. A businessman, an oligarch, a bourgeois but whatever you call him, even though he assigns these fruits to an effective manager another's labor. I gave you an example above. If the workers of this oligarch do not go to work, for example, they will arrange a strike about horror, will this oligarch be able to make a profit? So, I believe that these workers will do well without an oligarch.
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 February 2020 22: 21 New
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              It is unlikely. Organizing an enterprise is not for everyone. And don't think that entrepreneurship is that simple. It is very difficult. That's for this businessman and makes a profit.
    4. Svarog 27 February 2020 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Should people be deprived of their pensions? Let the robots inject, not a man.

      This is possible under socialism .. and the capitalists will simply get rid of the extra population ..
      1. depressant 27 February 2020 17: 58 New
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        Already disposed of, Svarog. Only the pace took such that the population found this, realized what was what, outraged. And now our capitalists have to pretend that they are worried, they threw one-time handouts for birth. And this is instead of creating decent jobs to feed large families.
        1. Ronald Reagan 27 February 2020 19: 46 New
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          And what do you mean by decent jobs? There is no unworthy work, but you need to understand that being a low-skilled worker, big money does not shine for you.
    5. Hagalaz 27 February 2020 09: 14 New
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      It seems to me that this is not possible in the capitalist system of the economy.
      Yes, and with an ever wider craving of robots, the question arises, what will a person who has freed himself from a crash do?
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 11: 08 New
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        What will he do? But look at pensioners from developed countries - what are they doing? And they travel the world and enjoy life.
        1. Hagalaz 27 February 2020 11: 15 New
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          Read and rethink the question carefully.
          1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 03 New
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            I read it again and answered - the person will take care of himself, will receive positive emotions from life: travel, fish, hunt, etc. Where can I get money for this? And why do European pensioners have a decent pension and have such money?
            1. Hagalaz 27 February 2020 13: 24 New
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              The question is posed wider, but you are fixated on retirees. What will a huge mass of people do if their work is replaced by robots?
            2. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 18: 41 New
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              Because they have capitalism there in the West.
              And we do not have it and is not expected.
              1. Private89 29 February 2020 11: 34 New
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                Another witness to the sextus of incorrect capitalism, the most capitalism is built in our country, the profits of the private owner are more important than the public good.
                1. AU Ivanov. 29 February 2020 15: 24 New
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                  I often go to friends in Finland. Here they have capitalism. With such social guarantees, which were not in the scoop.
                  1. Salty 29 February 2020 15: 42 New
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    I often go to friends in Finland. Here they have capitalism. With such social guarantees

                    This is adult, feathered capitalism, so that it becomes such, it must be cultivated for a long time and carefully. Like an English lawn from a joke.

                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    in scoop

                    Please do me a favor - stop calling diarrhea the country in which I was born and raised.
      2. Private89 28 February 2020 21: 28 New
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        And for what Stalin wanted to introduce a 5-hour working day, so that a person would spend the time freed up to reveal his technical, creative and whatever potential. If a person wants to explore the depths of the sea, you need to give him such an opportunity. If he has a craving for music or for painting, you need to give him the opportunity to do this. And if he injects 12 hours a day and comes with his tongue on his shoulder, or is in survival mode, what kind of potential is he?
  • Naz
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    I’m sitting in the kitchen about 5 years ago, maybe more. Talking on the radio (radio points still worked) about the next pension reform with the developer. Question of the leader
    - Do not think that you have to change the conditions of the pension.
    Answer:
    “Yes, you, that she is the best, much better.”
    I laughed so hard that I almost choked and almost fell out of the chair. How I was right.
  • SanSanych Gusev 27 February 2020 08: 42 New
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    As we stood cancer and will stand
  • Mikhail3 27 February 2020 08: 43 New
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    Simple calculations tell us that most of our pensioners earned excesses of money so that at least 15 years of age would not receive the funds that young people earn for them, but those that they earned themselves. So, reasoning about the “aging of the population” and others like that are lies and speculation.
    The fact remains that the Pension Fund was simply looted. Who were these mysterious robbers who withdrew the funds of the Fund and stole them? A riddle ... But now, of course, you need to take the money again somewhere. And then something is not enough money left, which again can be stolen ....
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 05 New
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      Here is an amazing paradox of our time! Enterprises, firms, bankrupt funds! Where our millionaires come from is incomprehensible! Another question. Why should they retire on retirement, and pay salaries to officials from the budget? And if you change the scheme? Officials take off, and pensioners pay from the budget? Will it be a ride? Or not? Why?
  • apro 27 February 2020 08: 43 New
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    It’s strange to hear that I’m mistaken in the management of the state. They are not making the right decisions. Unfortunately, they know what they are doing.
  • Masha 27 February 2020 08: 45 New
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    again about pensions ... again on a sore spot ... crying
    1. 210ox 27 February 2020 09: 22 New
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      Yes, let's talk more about Ukraine, and how bad it is ... what
      1. Malyuta 27 February 2020 11: 36 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, let's talk more about Ukraine, and how bad it is ... what

        So for sure, about Ukraine and geyevropu, we all have a lot of things and no other worries ...
  • Strashila 27 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    Since the era of Hunchback there have been no reforms in the country, there has been a deliberate destruction of the state.
    The so-called "pension" of them.
    The main purpose. extension to officials of various stripes of the time spent in their posts, no one actually thought about hard workers, or rather thought that they should not pay pensions at all, only withdraw finances.
    Who is the main recipient of the pension "state employees", those who fill it, hard workers do not live up to it simply.
    Hard workers will not, oil itself will not flow from the well.
    Migrant workers, this is a coronovirus that destroys the state from the inside.
    1. Svarog 27 February 2020 09: 07 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      Since the era of Hunchback there have been no reforms in the country, there has been a deliberate destruction of the state.
      The so-called "pension" of them.
      The main purpose. extension to officials of various stripes of the time spent in their posts, no one actually thought about hard workers, or rather thought that they should not pay pensions at all, only withdraw finances.
      Who is the main recipient of the pension "state employees", those who fill it, hard workers do not live up to it simply.
      Hard workers will not, oil itself will not flow from the well.
      Migrant workers, this is a coronovirus that destroys the state from the inside.

      good Better not say! hi
    2. Private89 28 February 2020 21: 35 New
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      Migrant workers are a way for the capitalist to reduce the cost of labor and, as a result, increase profits. So this is only a consequence, and the reason is capitalism alone!
  • 7,62h54 27 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    And not a word about the Dear Leader. And who else but he approved the reform? Now mistakes are being blamed on the government, which is no longer in that composition.
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      And not a word about the Dear Leader. And who else but he approved the reform? Now mistakes are being blamed on the government, which is no longer in that composition.

      That's right, now everyone will be attributed to the government, secret forces, Kremlin towers and continue to cast a shadow over the fence. But the main manager is back on horseback.
  • Brigadier 27 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    After this "pension reform", I, and all my friends and acquaintances, clarified for myself one simple truth - TO BELIEVE PUTIN TODAY, DOESN’T RESPECT YOURSELF!



    Although, on the other hand, you can probably understand it.
    After all, if he does not know - what is his salary, then he simply can not count it (apparently because of the number of zeros in it such a number has not yet been invented by mathematicians).
    They just bring it to him and he does not consider it! Powerfully pushed back. laughing lol wassat good
    And with such a salary (which cannot even be counted), no pensions are needed ... grandchildren, great-grandchildren and their great-great-grandchildren will last for a long time, and the people of Russia are not grandchildren.

    1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 12 New
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      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! The number of pensioners is growing, so there is not enough money for everyone! But the number of officials is also growing! Why do they have enough money? Where is the question posed? Why can't an official be paid as a janitor? Will the officials scatter? Well, the janitors do not scatter!
  • EvilLion 27 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    And who said reforms are unpopular? I generally support them. Someone disagree? Well, their opinion can not be taken into account. After all, whatever you do, he still sees only the desire to take it away. And while Russia will not be cured of this, no progress will be made.
    1. 210ox 27 February 2020 09: 24 New
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      And who said that they are popular? Their opinion may not be taken into account.
      1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 09: 38 New
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        Well, if so, then civil war 2.0
    2. smel 27 February 2020 09: 35 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      . And while Russia will not be cured of this, no progress will be made.

      Doctor! Progress does not begin from treatment. I think that progress begins with education, with the responsibility of all leaders for the end result. And if Serdyukov is not eaten, if the past government is all employed, this is not a responsibility. This is a spit in the face. And you can talk about victories as much as you like, talk about improving this and that, adjust the constitution - there will be only one result: dumping in a recession, further squeezing the juice from the people and pumping out the bowels for yourself and your beloved mongrels.
      1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        At the moment, Serdyukov’s accusations are from the same opera as Stalin’s accusations. On the principle of "everyone knows." And the dismissed useless generals hate him like fists.
        1. smel 27 February 2020 09: 46 New
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          I could argue. Give the facts. The arguments. But the topic of the article is clearly not that. Comparing Stalin and Serdyukov is a bold move. It is not clear to me only this comparison is the act of a hero or ....
          1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 10: 55 New
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            Who cares? Stalin carried out collectivization in the conditions when the village came to a handle and the reforms had to be carried out the day before yesterday. There was a lot of dope, a mess, someone was hurt, but agricultural became effective. If he had not, he would have suffered many times more. When the Syurdyuk reforms began, there was a 2.5 million army, in practice unable to put up any significant forces. During the reforms, there was a lot of mess, dope, someone was hurt, but the army became effective. If he hadn’t carried out, then nothing like Syria would have become possible, and in the event of a serious conflict there would have been serious risks of military defeat.

            At the same time, from a recent bmpd blog about the lack of TCB. Very funny passage. Say, at Serdyukov, one time there was no enrollment in schools, the TCBs were not needed, then the recruitment was restored, and it turns out that there is nothing for cadets to fly. Excuse me, but what does Serdyukov have to do with it, it’s already gone, why, when you planned to increase the number of cadets, didn’t calculate how many TCBs would be available when the cadets started flying, and didn’t bother with ordering additional cars? Reminds trilobalt, in whom 30 years after leaving the Union everything is bad due to the Soviet occupation. Although practice shows that even countries devastated by wars, with competent leadership, are rebuilt in 10-15 years.
            1. smel 27 February 2020 13: 00 New
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              The format of this site does not allow you to talk with facts in your hands. The only thing I can say is that pink glasses should be removed. To eliminate that damage only in the military educational sphere, ten years of work in this field are not enough. The educational cycle is 5 years. Only in 2018 did the first graduates come. Do you know how much the need has been covered? Do you know how many years you have to wait for primary positions to be staffed at least 80-85% ???. Do you know who they are equipped with now? More likely no than yes.
              It is even useless to talk about the organizational structure. The divisions were dispersed. Formed brigades. The results of experimental exercises that showed the failure of this foolishness were ignored. Now the rollback is going on for a long time and painfully. What is done? Yes, practically nothing !!! What is formed ??? Oh, you still need many years. Dismiss specialists - just spit. To grow is a problem. You can call a structure with such a name. What is the use of it?
              I understand that you are connected with aviation. Remember who worked in August 2008 from aviators. Remember the results. Remember where Serdyukov was at that time. I hope you know.
              I don’t even spread about other exploits.
              Well, if now something has changed, believe me, only in the minds of readers. Unfortunately. More precisely to horror
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  • Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    Taschemta, the best way is to cancel the pension altogether. But cancel along with a tax of 22%. But how, it’s the same fifth of the salaries of the whole country that will not work ...
    1. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 17 New
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      But doesn’t it seem that the current retirement age and pension is actually the abolition of the pension? Where is the guarantee that they will not say tomorrow, ** Why should the state pay you a pension? Who did you work for? On private traders? Well, let private traders pay you a pension! ** Is this nonsense or the near future?
      1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 10: 56 New
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        In Japan, the retirement age is 70 years without gender differences.
        1. Vladkr 27 February 2020 12: 13 New
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          Apparently, we have the standard of living in Japan ..
          1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 18: 44 New
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            There, in Japan, labor productivity is at least threefold. The Japanese plow, we never dreamed of this.
        2. Revival 27 February 2020 15: 00 New
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          And there wasn’t such a thing in Adventism, suggest to focus on it
  • Mavrikiy 27 February 2020 08: 54 New
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    cannot be attributed solely to the "cannibalistic nature" of Russian officials. Alas, the rise, and quite a significant one, of retirement age, is now a worldwide trend, caused by purely objective reasons, Mankind is rapidly “aging” and is increasingly moving towards that line,
    Stupidity. negative
    1. "Cannibalistic nature" of Russian officials on the face. People interfere with the life of officials, interfere with raising bureaucrats' well-being, pull, want justice. In social security, everyone receives a bonus from saved funds, did not know?
    These tax officials, on the contrary, the more they rip off, the greater the bonus.
    2. global trend If in Europe the retirement age was 60 years, with a life expectancy of 70 years. Then, life expectancy increased to 80 years, so you can raise the retirement age.
    Have our life expectancy increased? She is less than retirement age.
    1. Svarog 27 February 2020 10: 28 New
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      Have our life expectancy increased? She is less than retirement age.

      Judging by the pace at which Russia is dying out, our life expectancy has clearly decreased!
    2. EvilLion 27 February 2020 10: 58 New
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      And we have 67 years for men and 71 for women. Increased under Putin very seriously. If someone didn’t notice, well, I already wrote here that if the people don’t notice what the authorities are doing for him, then talking to him is meaningless.
      1. 210ox 27 February 2020 12: 08 New
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        Yeah, the little girl got a trashy king ... fool
      2. Revival 27 February 2020 15: 03 New
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        And what is the difference between the retirement age and life expectancy in Germany or Japan from your example?
      3. almen1 27 February 2020 16: 28 New
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        Or maybe you should go to the cemetery and see?
  • nikvic46 27 February 2020 08: 57 New
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    I did not understand what it means to "play back." Return the old pension system? Or return to the previous system. The international situation, which we built with our own hands, plays a large role in many respects. The opposite side did not even think about provocations where the USSR military bases were located. For example, Tartus has been in Syria since 1971.
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 10: 59 New
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      How did this prevent Syrians from getting their asses kicked, including shelling from battleships? How does having Khmeinim hinder Israel now? No, you can’t fly near, but for the rest we did not subscribe.
  • Cruorvult 27 February 2020 08: 58 New
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    Well, pension reform is bad. For 20 years, the budget for retirement is more than 9 trillion, more than three are dated from the budget, if you do not raise the age, then soon the number of pensioners will be higher than working, where to get these trillions, what expense items will we cut?
    1. Gennady Smirnov 27 February 2020 09: 09 New
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      Cut "income items" 3% of the population owning 92% of all term deposits and 89% of the country's financial assets.
      1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 42 New
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        Why 3%, not 5 or 10? Where to draw the border and who will draw it? When it’s your turn to cut yourself, continue to sing like that?
    2. smel 27 February 2020 09: 40 New
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      No need to take. Cut too. IT IS NECESSARY TO RETURN WHAT HAS BEEN STEALED. Only. Yes .... And execute those who stole
      1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 00 New
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        Excuse me, who and what stole from you? And where were you when it was stolen?
        1. smel 27 February 2020 12: 07 New
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          Respected! Read the press. Start at least with the newspaper Kommerant. If too much, then at least the final numbers for the end of the year. There you will find out who, where and how much removed the cash, gas, precious metals. How many enterprises went into oblivion in our country. How many billionaires appeared and how much their capital grew. About the growth of the decile coefficient. If you wish, you can find information about the level of salaries, pensions, social benefits there. There is information on population, fertility, mortality. If there is an opportunity, desire, time and ability - to analyze the information received. If it doesn’t work out the first time, try starting with Capital.
          I list the names of those who stole: Shakhrai, Shokhin, Shumeyko, Yeltsin, Kiriyenko, Gaidar ET., Stepashin, Kasyanov, Khristenko, Fradkov, Zubkov ...... In general, too lazy to list. The list is simpler - members of their governments, deputies of various levels and members of the Federation Council for the most part. In addition, here you can rank and successful businessmen - billionaires, and no less successful thieves - billionaires (in uniform and without).
          What was stolen:
          My parents have a decent old age. Their pensions turned into pennies. Their savings turned into zero on a piece of paper called the Savings Book. They stole the opportunity to be treated normally. They could not acquire what they could afford to acquire before our happy democratic time.
          - from me - my savings were stolen twice, with two defaults organized by well-known many politicians and economists. The amount is generally insignificant, but it would be enough for me to live more dignified than now. The possibility of free medical care was stolen. They also stole from me the time spent in various wars and conflicts - also a little, -let 5. The country was still stolen, - the USSR was called.
          - The same savings were stolen from my children (though once). The possibility of free education, treatment was stolen. They stole the opportunity for a summer free vacation, the opportunity to enjoy work and leisure: they have to work 12-14 hours a day.
          About my friends, comrades I will not cover - too long to list. But believe me, it is very difficult to survive the theft when the result of 20 years of work in Chukotka in a day turns to dust. Although what am I talking about? Some of them did not survive this blow!
          Now where have I been. In the army.
          As you can see from the text, the question is easier to ask, and even easier.
          1. Cruorvult 27 February 2020 12: 15 New
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            But the businessman writes about increasing life expectancy, because the liberal pro-Western businessman will not lie https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4126683
            1. smel 27 February 2020 12: 20 New
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              Read. But not an increase, but an increase in life expectancy. This is so, by the way. But this does not mean improving the quality of life.
          2. EvilLion 27 February 2020 12: 23 New
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            Sorry, but if you were stolen by the characters from the 90s in the mass already deceased, then why are you talking about it now, where were you then? Or are you like that Shurale from the Tatar fairy tale?

            Is there free medicine in the world? That is, no medicine, no honey. equipment, nor the work of doctors cost nothing? And why, when I go to our factory clinic, then there are no problems with medicines, or service? Maybe because all this is something worth it and someone pays for it? In my case, the employer. And why now on every street a medical center shining with whiteness, where you will be provided with any services, is not free, but for some reason people still go there and not to the city hospitals. Maybe because he has the opportunity to pay for all this?
            1. smel 27 February 2020 12: 34 New
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              Respected! I don’t want to argue with you. If you have everything in order and things are moving forward - believe me, I am sincerely happy for you. I have many friends who have everything in order. Believe me, everything is fine with me. But before such a number of destitute (including from the moss of relatives, acquaintances and friends) I could not imagine.
              If you think that Stalin and Serdyukov are characters of the same field - this is your business. I do not think so and have every right to do so.
              If you think that the number of medical centers per km of street or the number of passing cars per minute is an indicator of well-being, then I do not hold this opinion.
              Well, in general, thanks for the dialogue, although it is off topic and not many interesting.
            2. 210ox 27 February 2020 14: 12 New
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              And for some reason I do not get to a specialist when contacting our CRH. They are simply not there. Otoptimized. We must take a couple of days and go to Krasnodar for a couple of hundred miles.
          3. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 12: 27 New
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            You owned gas and oil, since it was stolen from you? I envy, nothing belonged to me under the Union, besides a tin can called “Zhiguli”. Even the living space was not mine, my own, but belonged to the state.
        2. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 13 New
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          Stop pretending to be sloppy.
          Quote: EvilLion
          Excuse me, who and what stole from you?
          Yes, the president of the pension stole that this is news for you?
        3. Vladkr 27 February 2020 12: 18 New
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          Everyone knows who .. Only you and your kind do not see it through pink glasses ..
    3. SOVIET UNION 2 27 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      if age is not raised, then soon the number of pensioners will be higher than working, where to get these trillions, what expense items will we cut?
      And what does it have to do if Russia is on the rise and we have scientific and technological progress? Or are we still in decline and regression? What does the number of pensioners have to do with our labor productivity? You may not work at all! Robots work for you! Or do we have pensioners as robots?
      1. Cruorvult 27 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        I look around, I don’t see a single robot, and our labor productivity lags far behind the world, although I can’t say that it’s definitely bad, here you can take the example from the USA, where the payment is hourly and people pay 12-14 hours.
    4. Lars971a 27 February 2020 11: 09 New
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      [quote] [if age is not increased, then soon the number of pensioners will be higher than working people, where to get these trillions / quote] And the state did not try to see how many disabled people we have in quotes, who bought groups for themselves, and believe them a lot. State first allowed to steal a pension fund, and then thinks where to get the money. And you just need to look around you. I recall my youth when Gorbachev became the first president of the USSR, in our army there was a dispute that this is right, it will strengthen it, increase stability within the country, I did not agree. Here and now I am reminded of an old story, such as that our president lacks authority .A credentials above the roof, there is simply no determination ..................................
      1. Cruorvult 27 February 2020 12: 19 New
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        A lot, not just for physical health, but for mental, but disability is not given for this.
    5. Alex66 27 February 2020 13: 02 New
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      Where to get trillions should be specially hired workers: Nabiulina, Kudrin, Gref, Siluanov, Mishustin, Putin. If you can’t find acceptable methods, resign.
  • fif21 27 February 2020 09: 01 New
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    To demand from people in Russia to comply with international standards is not a mistake, it is a crime. Salaries, medicine at the level of underdeveloped African countries, and requirements for workers by international standards. Order 302 n of the Ministry of Health has deprived thousands of people of legal work, and as a result of pensions. In the most backward country of the EU, Greece, a pension of 500 euros, we have less salaries for most! And the pension is 200 euros. Conclusion: United Russia and Putin, who joined it, should be removed from power. For everything in this world, gentlemen of the bourgeoisie must pay. hi
    1. Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 43 New
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      What measures are you taking to remove?)
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 11: 36 New
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        And the measures are simple - to explain to people how to vote in elections, but for now, it is necessary to show the authorities who is the boss in the house. We, the people, are the owners of the country, and not these managers, who we allegedly selected for our posts. The general vote must be clever, for example, to start failing all these amendments to the constitution, since all these amendments are completely empty.
        1. Cruorvult 27 February 2020 15: 06 New
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          That is, you are opposed to removing the priority of Western laws? Oh wei, do you like the Yeltsin constitution?

          “We, the people, are the masters of the country, and not these managers, supposedly chosen by us for our posts,” a pan of panhanulo.
          1. Revival 28 February 2020 16: 08 New
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            The priority of Western laws?)))
            Give an example.
            And I still can’t understand how ours then manages to resist the application and adoption of the anti-corruption convention, because the priority is the same, or not !?)))
    2. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 05 New
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      And let's still remember Soviet medicine. But why, when it is necessary to yell heart-rendingly, how bad things are with us, not having the slightest idea that it is really bad.

      And Putin should not be removed, but for people like you introduced individual utility tariffs and other things equal to European ones. That's when you get a bill for heating and gas in the amount of 250-300 euros, then you will open your mouth about the standard of living and how much is 500 euros.
      1. fif21 27 February 2020 22: 43 New
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        but for people like you, individual housing and communal services tariffs and other things equal to European ones have been introduced. That's when you get a bill for heating and gas in the amount of 250-300 euros, then you will open your mouth about the standard of living and how much is 500 euros.

        I was not sitting next to you on a pot in a kindergarten! Therefore, I do not need to poke. Housing and utilities is cost-effective when collecting 50% of payments, the rest is walrus (income), I do not pay for gas, from the word completely wassat I can’t shut my mouth, though she always hurts her eyes. And 500 euros at the rate, that's 35000 rubles. About the standard of living - in the era of Brezhnev, when the prices for vodka were raised, the rhyme “walked” (pass to Ilyich, we can handle 10 if there is more, will it be like in Poland) is the hint clear? While we are holding on to the legal field, but how long we can hold out, that’s the question. hi
        1. Malyuta 27 February 2020 23: 05 New
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          Quote: fif21
          I don’t pay for gas, I can’t shut up my mouth at all, though she always hurts her eyes

          I agree with you !!! I don’t pay for anything at all and I’m not going to pay! If Ukashniki sues, they will immediately receive a prosecutor’s check, a labor inspectorate, a tax police and a desk check. And, characteristically, all petitions will be sent as part of the court hearings, and then we’ll see who owes whom. good
          1. Salty 27 February 2020 23: 16 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            I agree with you !!! I don’t pay for anything at all and I’m not going to pay!

            How long has this been with you? I mean, after all, the light will be turned off for you, and without light there is no Internet. It will be a pity to lose you, you gallop ridiculously.
          2. Victor N 28 February 2020 10: 02 New
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            Mortifies reprobate redneck ....
        2. Malyuta 27 February 2020 23: 07 New
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          Quote: fif21
          While we are holding on to the legal field, but how long we can hold out, that’s the question.

          The keyword is bye.
      2. Malyuta 27 February 2020 22: 58 New
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        , and for those like you introduced individual housing and communal services tariffs and other equal to European. That's when you get a bill for heating and gas in the amount of 250-300 euros, then you will

        Wow!))) What a valid scurvy-skakuas, just fabulous)))) And you, Vuasia, first give me a European salary, at least 2 thousand euros, and then enter European tariffs!
        And then you and Putin are saying "well done" what, the salary in the Russian Federation is 200 euros, and a communal apartment of them 100 !!! Yes, guys, I think that all the same you will end badly. IMHA and my dream.
    3. Aleksandr1971 28 February 2020 14: 32 New
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      Greece eats at the expense of the EU. So the example is not valid. If you can get EU subsidies for Russia, then let us choose you as a substitute for Putin. But seriously, no change of power will make Russia rich at the click of the president’s fingers. It’s just that Russia is a very poor country because of its nasty population.
  • Ross xnumx 27 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    ... the authorities "carved themselves ...

    Here you go! She spotted herself "on the board" ...
    The authorities finally became impudent, in terms of sitting on the people's neck during the reign and appointing for themselves EXCELLENT (average for the country) content and a special procedure for calculating pensions, they sneezed on those who lived to an advanced age and would upholster the thresholds of clinics in the hope of providing qualified assistance and, considering the last penny, spend them not on quality food, but on those chemicals called "medicines", the cost of which is pennies, and they are sold at a pharmacy more expensive than meat ...
    They showed their animal nature. No. Not the essence of predators that hunt in order to satisfy hunger. And those animals that destroy others by nature. Such a special detachment of parasites, unable to exist independently except by using someone else's potential and energy.
    The fairest decision that our people need to make is
    FINALLY RELEASE OFFICIALS FROM PRIVILEGES !!!
    Let them live like all people ... And this will be the best and fairest decision.
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 06 New
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      You give dissatisfied European housing and communal services tariffs with Russian salaries!
  • Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 09: 14 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    To leave the retirement age where he was - it is necessary to increase the collection of this tax. Either increase the tax (by lowering salaries), or tax those who have not paid it before. Individual entrepreneurs, self-employed, rentiers working in black .. that is, again, everything is taken away and divided.

    For decent pensions and fulfilling social obligations, it will be enough to nationalize the oil and gas industry and alcohol .. This is a real asset that should belong to the people!

    Take everything away - and share! Especially alcohol.
    1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 11: 39 New
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      Do not distort! Take away only the loot, let them first explain to what shisha officials have assets worth billions of rubles. But Putin’s government will not ask them such questions, and therefore we need another government.
  • pmkemcity 27 February 2020 09: 18 New
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    Few, even the most unpopular government measures, provoked such general rejection and amicable condemnation as this strategic miscalculation, which at once “collapsed” the popularity of the authorities.

    Yes, they side!
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 27 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    Nobody will change anything !!!! So far, the people have simply “swallowed” the next adventure of those in power who, instead of thinking about the welfare of the citizens of their country, have played in the world economy ... While people will remain silent (or riot in the kitchens), the authorities will not remember them. If the people don’t rebel, it means that they understand the authorities’s “concern for the state”, although the people simply stop believing in the state (they didn’t believe the authorities at all times), and outrage at the pension reform is now an empty “bunch” of pocket opposition.
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 08 New
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      That is, there will be more workers in the country - is this not an increase in welfare? Everything is clear, wealth comes from nowhere, and their shortage is only because their officials stole, otherwise.
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        Officials? But isn't it known that 5,5 billion rubles worth of property was found at Zam Sobyanin? And Colonel Zakharchenko with the stolen 8 billion rubles? Yes, there are plenty of such officials there, such officials as, for example, the "simple" journalist Naila Asker-Zade owns several apartments in Moscow worth 340 million, owns a dacha for 250 million and bought a giant plot on Rublevka for 3 BILLION rubles. The data in the network is full, if you had a desire to find, then you would not write nonsense.
    2. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 08 New
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      That is, there will be more workers in the country - is this not an increase in welfare? Everything is clear, wealth comes from nowhere, and their shortage is only because their officials stole, otherwise.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal 27 February 2020 12: 35 New
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        You are probably not from Russia, since you are operating with Western concepts of Russian reality. Material wealth is created by people at enterprises and in the fields, but it’s nailed into the distribution from “material goods” in the Russian Federation only for a narrow circle of the elect .... but they don’t steal in the state and economy system that now exists in Russia, probably only unemployed pensioners))) Such as it’s not bitterly understood, theft is part of the current state administration system, and the top do not want to change this system where theft is legalized, the lower classes don’t give a damn, because used to do without the state ....
      2. Revival 27 February 2020 15: 13 New
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        What is the difference how much it works in the country and how much they produce, if the rule in the system is that I take myself ALL that is more than 1 ruble.
        I’ve taken 100 for 99 rubles and 1000 for 999.
        So with such a curved system, there is no difference, so this is not an increase in the well-being of the people
    3. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 11: 40 New
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      So I suggest - "rebel", i.e. to fail at the next ballot all their proposals.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal 27 February 2020 12: 37 New
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        "Rebellion" in a peaceful way or not rebel - the people will still receive a "buoy", and the authorities will need the necessary corrections)))
  • Whowhy 27 February 2020 09: 29 New
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    Maybe if they had carried out this pension reform "wisely", then there would have been no such negative response. And here, as usual, they decided that “people cheat” and simply “spat on people’s faces” - they did everything in violation of the Constitution (Article 55 part 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: “2. Laws should not be passed in the Russian Federation , abrogating or derogating the rights and freedoms of man and citizen ") and legal norms, when the law toughens the punishment winked “has no retroactive force,” that is, the new law was to apply only to those who were born the day after its adoption.
    And although this law did not directly affect me (I’ve been retired for a long time), the feeling of its adoption is just that - they brazenly “spat on my face,” and I can’t do anything in response ....
    In general, as Leonid Sergeyev sings: "After all, people can drink blood endlessly, but you need to be warm and warm with a smile." wink
  • DMB 75 27 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    once again decided to bring domestic legislation “in line with the best world standards”

    We wanted the best, it turned out as always. And the thing is that there was no money left in the pension fund. Now the “Duma” is thinking of the Great Duma where to get the money from. But, for some reason, the progressive tax project did not work. Duma-millionaires did not approve of him, but decided to save on people by raising the retirement age! Deputies eat meat, and people eat cabbage, and together we eat cabbage rolls. So now we still have to manage to get to retirement, not everyone can do it, hard workers they’ll simply not physically overpower this raising of the pension line. After 60 years, not a single man can work fully at a construction site or in a workshop. He will have to go somewhere to work as a guard, but so many Russian watchmen are not needed .. And there are people who will live to a happy moment, it will turn out a little. Do not forget that in addition to the fact that in addition to direct losses from non-payment of pensions, now you will not receive benefits related to retirement age - for travel, housing and communal services, medications, etc. . In short,
    It is not at all surprising that the result was a drop in people's confidence in the authorities, hostility based, as has already been said, on a deep personal resentment, and an increased protest potential of society
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      As practice shows all these 60 years, this same man, instead of the rest, went to his garden for the weekend and was hunchbacked there. In Soviet times, because there was nothing in the shops, under Yeltsin, because there was no salary, under Putin, to build a new house, a bathhouse, a two-meter fence there. I have a mother like that, all my life on the workshop, now everything hurts, but at the same time I need to get a dog with whom I have to go for a walk at least 3 times a day, and if I have to walk "there is no strength", then I need to shift it to others. So maybe I did not have to start this bark? We must continue to plant all kinds of nonsense in the garden, although only with the money saved on gasoline and car wear, you could buy all this in the store, and then your back would not hurt.

      Our people are the most vicious Pinocchio for ourselves, but Putin and officials are to blame.

      But what a really work-out person looks like I first saw only in an Indian film of the 50s. We didn’t meet this even among 80-year-old grandmothers in the 90s.
      1. Nonna 27 February 2020 12: 02 New
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        It’s a pity your mother - she’s just not going to get a mug of water from you. A typical generation of the Putin regime - man to man - the enemy.
        1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 12: 39 New
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          What do I have to do with it? Did I make her tear? Am I making her plow in the garden? When you ask, “If everything hurts, then why are you doing this?”, Then “why are you sitting at home now?” Well, the wife of her elder brother was not tearing herself at the factory, although she gave birth to the 5th, she still has no problem skiing, well, now she’s also to blame for the fact that she didn’t go to the thermal power station for the sake of an extra ruble. Wrong lived. And her husband, my uncle, that is, although 2 years older than my father, looks younger than him. Maybe because despite the fact that he raised 5 children with his wife working in a kindergarten, he had interests besides a bottle, and did not get drunk on pigs, like my dad?

          So there are fewer drunkards, gardens, etc., and with modern medicine you will be 60 male eagles.
      2. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 12: 24 New
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        Well, you take the best option. Most often, this man thumped, as if into himself, smoked two packs a day and neglected his studies in his youth. Then this man was surprised that by the age of 60 he had no health.
      3. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 39 New
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        In Soviet times, there was nothing in the stores,

        Wasn’t it right? Starving? But now everything is there? Then why do old people shave and rummage through garbage cans?
  • Rostislav 27 February 2020 09: 56 New
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    Who hasn’t kicked the power that screwed up with pension reform? I would like to hear suggestions on what and how to do.
    1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 40 New
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      There is only one suggestion - re-election of the authorities, there will already be enough of these, let others rule.
  • Uran53 27 February 2020 10: 06 New
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    What was that? Did the author decide to be a lawyer for "our" government? The rejection of this “masterpiece” of lawmaking is due to the following reasons, if the author is not in the subject: low life expectancy, which leads to the fact that for the majority, the absence of jobs can be expected, for the majority, purely hypothetically. No one needs an older worker. There are no young people in the province, not just pre-pensioners.
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 22 New
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      I have here one "survivor" recently temporarily again accepted. Implement barcoding at the factory. He left, escorted with songs, broke 2 slaughter, and even as the minor himself rejoiced, well now everything, all the paths are open, but it became boring to see.
      1. Uran53 28 February 2020 08: 11 New
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        A charge. payment probably suits only pensioners? Therefore, there are free vacancies.
  • faterdom 27 February 2020 10: 13 New
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    It is necessary to answer. "United Russia", or what it mimics there - from the trough!
    At all levels. Even those who were in EP, and then flipped over. These are ready-made collaborators, ready for anything for their own feeder. They understood what they were doing, but nonetheless, they did.
    Poklonskaya alone is enough in power from them - she alone turned out to be a “man” and voted against.
    Guarantor ... In this person I will not believe him anymore. Never. I think he personally cheated on me. And continues.
    1. Uran53 28 February 2020 08: 13 New
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      Right now, Mishustin is distributing cookies to people, so that everything would happen as it should in the elections. And believe me, he will succeed
  • Stalnov I.P. 27 February 2020 10: 14 New
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    All these punctures with pension reform, medical, speaks only about one thing, the professionalism of high sitters below the baseboard. Add nothing more.
    1. EvilLion 27 February 2020 11: 24 New
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      It is interesting that you talk about the punctures of the reforms of the times of Stalin ... Then there were not less of them, and the consequences are much worse. Although everyone knows how to lead the country, for some reason some non-professionals manage it. Maybe you already replace them, you know better, show how it is necessary?
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 37 New
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        Here it is not necessary to lie, under Stalin at least prices were reduced. And name punctures of Stalin’s reforms, if you can of course.
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 14: 52 New
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          Forced collectivization and related hunger. Skew towards heavy industry to the detriment of the social conditions of the people. Destruction of private trade and small-medium business in the late 20s, that is, the elimination of the NEP.
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            Collectivization was carried out in order to avoid hunger, since the small owner (fist) plowing his horse could not meet the needs of the growing urban population, and sometimes did not want to sell bread at fixed prices, this is another example of the fact that the private trader will not care about the public good, because profit is more important to him. And if you project the situation for our time and see that our state behaves as a private trader, then the country will degrade the result, the people will die out.
  • Stalnov I.P. 27 February 2020 10: 19 New
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    There is such a thing as a “healthy lifestyle”, according to Rosstat, it is 60,3 years in Russia, it turns out that many of our CITIZENS have been working sick for more than 4 years and then moral questions arise for the president, how could you approve of it, and so about those who created it, pushed and say nothing, just immoral URO ... S
    1. Svarog 27 February 2020 10: 30 New
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      Quotation: I.P.
      moral questions to the president, how could you approve of her,

      This implies a lot, and the moral and moral condition of the president and how he keeps his word to the people .. and therefore the attitude to the people ..
  • Avarron 27 February 2020 10: 36 New
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    When people turn their backs on this power, they will remember the fate of Saddam and Muammar, standing in a noose on the platform.
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 14: 45 New
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      Eliminated Saddam. Eliminated Muammar. And immediately Iraq and Libya became the richest states in the world. We will hang the current ones, then it will come to life. Like in Iraq.
  • Nikolay73 27 February 2020 10: 41 New
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    I will say the unpopular - the retirement age must be increased ... BUT, in my opinion, it was necessary to do this not in five, but in twenty five years, while preparing jobs, retraining programs and other necessary additional and supportive measures, but now what’s done done. Putin took all the image losses from an extremely unpopular decision, thereby relieving his future successor of responsibility for this extremely unpleasant decision, which in my opinion characterizes him in a certain way both as a person and as a leader. IMHO, as always.
    1. Aleksandr1971 28 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      I agree with the need to increase the retirement age. At the same time, this age must be increased so that: 1st and most importantly, there are 10 times more workers than pensioners; 2nd — to abolish all abbreviated retirement ages, except for the military, and even increase to 55 years and at least 35 years of service. And for all sorts of special conditions, such as serving in the Far North, on a submarine or with atomic weapons, simply pay extra money, and not let them retire earlier.
      1. Nikolay73 28 February 2020 15: 39 New
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        I do not think this is right because it obviously worsens the situation of the working people (whether they are list or security officials) or do you advocate that no one should live up to retirement? Without prepared jobs, people simply face starvation and this is not a figure of speech.
  • Fan-fan 27 February 2020 10: 43 New
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    “Win back” the wasted “points” of public trust and support. Surely in the future the authorities will still need them ...

    These authorities no longer need anything, they must be replaced by completely new people.
    1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 11: 41 New
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      Naive. As if brand new people would not row for themselves.
      1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 12: 31 New
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        But Stalin wasn’t rowing, Brezhnev wasn’t rowing either. Why don’t you believe in people like that? What are all thieves and loafers? Out of 140 million there are no worthy ones?
        1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 12: 33 New
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          Under Brezhnev, there was just a merging of power with crime. It is very good to talk about Stalin in the past tense, but I don’t feel like living in that era.
          1. Fan-fan 27 February 2020 13: 28 New
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            The merging took place, but they did not steal so brazenly and there was no such difference between rich and poor. Nevertheless, the communists pressed the thieves, for example, the director of the Eliseevsky deli was shot.
            1. AU Ivanov. 27 February 2020 14: 43 New
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              Although the director of Eliseevsky, in that scheme, was a small fry. He was appointed the scapegoat, and the organizers, the large Soviet and party functionaries, remained at large. In the same way as in the current case of Zakharchenko.
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            Films of the 30s.

            Newsreel, documentary.

            Look again and ready to cry

            And the response pain is instant.



            Drawings in a draft of cities,

            And people are ecstatically joyful.

            The generation of the 30s -

            They don’t bring anything to us on a platter.



            All by themselves, all by the hump, all by labor.

            Execution and our plans.

            We’re building both a blast furnace and a house,

            Rosselmashi and Uralmashi.



            The authors of eternal miracles themselves

            Overcome both dullness and dampness,

            And the Dnieper stands up handsome

            And the Chelyabinsk tractor grew.



            Just jumped

            Across the North Pole to America

            Chkalov, enthusiastic in a circle,

            Heroic, with a confident smile.



            From the saint, from the pure came

            Everyday life was filled with inspiration.

            Youth of the Motherland - our land,

            We will never forget you.



            These years are like a lump in my throat.

            The path from there to greatness has begun.

            And a lump even in the throat at the lines,

            And the line rejoices and cries.



            Mikhail Lvov
        2. Aleksandr1971 28 February 2020 14: 24 New
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          There are worthy. These are those who have accumulated for themselves, not hoping for retirement
  • seacap 27 February 2020 10: 56 New
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    The authorities are the same people who betrayed and killed the once great power, solely for the satisfaction of their personal ambitions and for the monetization of the authority entrusted to them by the people. To do this, they betrayed, lied and killed, united with traditional enemies and crime, went to the most heinous crimes, forgetting about honor and dignity, or rather they never had, handed over the country in parts and in bulk to the enemy without a fight, put the people not conquered by anyone- winner kneeling by flattery, deceit and bullet. Grown several generations of "advanced consumers" without honor and conscience, from a historically traditionally communal society, created an inherited estate divided by a deep abyss and various moral, ethical and spiritual values, and therefore the attitude to their homeland and people, i.e. returned to 1917, and then the potential, especially spiritual and patriotic, was incommensurably higher. So why, suddenly, having achieved the goals of destroying the power and the potential for its revival, and even with total external dependence and control, the estate will be concerned about the revival and development of the power and the people, when they have completely different goals and objectives, they are allowed to be at the “helm” while they provide them. All actions of the so-called authorities, especially the economic and social bloc, are more and more reminiscent of the actions of the colonial administration, under the control of the instruments of external neocolonial administration in the person of the Central Bank and the Higher School of Economics, and everything else, such as parties, thoughts, councils and various fronts and foundations, is so for the plebs, an imitation of democracy .
    1. Aleksandr1971 28 February 2020 14: 23 New
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      this statement is off topic
  • seacap 27 February 2020 11: 01 New
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    Quote: faterdom
    It is necessary to answer. "United Russia", or what it mimics there - from the trough!

    but what if this so-called the party consists of bureaucrats and careerists, the so-called. businessmen and "effective managers", all this pack of scavengers, if they are power, they are, that is. appropriated this trough?
    1. faterdom 27 February 2020 14: 03 New
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      So far, if so, the elementary way is to make sure that the EP does not have the overwhelming majority, but in general any majority in the State Duma and the Legislative Assembly. And then you can see how at least one of the so-called "budgets" of recent years would have gone to "Hurray!"
      There is fresh - recently accepted, and now "reviewed" - the king advised, in a message. And the deputies did not even have to return the pay, for the whole fall - what were they doing there?
      By the way, what kind of genre is the message? Speech? Letter? Wish? Revelations? Sermon on the Mount?
      Previously, there were decisions of the Congresses of the CPSU (for life!), The State Planning Commission, five-year plans, terms ... And now: comrades (gentlemen) have gathered, read, and got to work! Do you want - in May, no - so in March, or there ... in January.
      The Secretary General at least needed the opinion of the Politburo, he couldn’t solve important issues alone, especially if the PB was against it. Let there be the nasty Suslov, who spent his whole life in one coat and galoshes, but he will not be spoiled! The payoff of 50000 rubles then, say Predsmin, the same Suslov would not have missed by any means ...
      Now how? There are associates, but they are all extremely grateful to the Leader and agree to everything?
  • fleks 27 February 2020 11: 01 New
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    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Leftists love to search for logic where it does not exist
    Sometimes logic is implicit.

    Yeah, when someone thinks in their favor.

    You, Mr. Good, are not arguing in our favor. and in the direction of your masters --- Deripasok of Vekselberg Abramovich Chubais
  • asp373 27 February 2020 11: 07 New
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    Well, here again.
    In our country, 42 million pensioners who live on pension for 20 years on average. This is approximately 1/3 of the population. The payment of this army of social dependents takes the cost of two pairs of Crimean bridges every month. These are absolutely unimaginable amounts. You can make all the roads in the country in a year like in Switzerland, if you put them into action.
    And in the end, why such an exorbitant load on workers? All the same, pensioners will not be enough, they will still be unhappy, but in the end they will inevitably die. So can all this money be spent on bridges, roads and children?
    1. Nikolay73 27 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      1/3 pensioners, 1/3 children, 1/3 working ... and? Yes, that’s a lot ... BUT this is a given. Or do you propose only on the basis that it is a lot to refuse to pensioners that they have already earned? Do you think the desire to live better than you live now is bad?
      1. asp373 27 February 2020 13: 31 New
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        Not certainly in that way. There are pensioners, children, students, doctors, supporters, military, police, the Ministry of Emergencies, maybe someone else has forgotten. And all of them are fed by a very small part of the population working in the manufacturing sector of the economy. And yes, 42 million pence living in retirement for 20 years is not just bad, but unacceptable.
        1. Nikolay73 27 February 2020 16: 42 New
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          How old are your parents? Of course, you will be glad of their speedy departure to another world, I understand you correctly?
        2. Nikolay73 27 February 2020 16: 49 New
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          “And they are fed by a very small part of the population working in the manufacturing sector of the economy.” Is not true, taxes and deductions are carried out by non-productive areas of activity, moreover, without many of them normal functioning of the manufacturing sector of the economy is impossible and this is an axiom even taking into account the absence of me economic education. Your knowledge in the economy, to put it mildly, is superficial and the conclusions are erroneous.
          1. asp373 27 February 2020 18: 18 New
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            But where does the non-production sphere come from?
            1. Nikolay73 28 February 2020 15: 47 New
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              Investments, banks, state subsidies, profits ...
    2. Nonna 27 February 2020 12: 09 New
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      And let us immediately all the pensioners in the gas chambers - will be heated than at home, again fertilizer and start right from you - will the posthumous letter of honor suit you? I’m looking here, bots and trolls have become active - I don’t understand, payment is coming from the funds of Soros or the Kremlin
      1. asp373 27 February 2020 18: 17 New
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        I do not support this proposal, but someone put 8 pluses, so not everything is so simple ...
    3. Vladkr 27 February 2020 12: 38 New
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      These 42 million all their working life deducted part of their income to retire. Where is the money? Why are current pensioners paid pensions from our deductions, which we deduct to ourselves for retirement? The question is rhetorical?
      1. asp373 27 February 2020 13: 46 New
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        Offer to pay pensions from these deductions? I remind you that 1 Soviet ruble is now equal to 0.1 kopecks. You can, of course, and so, it will even be fair, to some extent, but inhumane.
  • Tank jacket 27 February 2020 11: 19 New
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    2017 year.
    Russia has not taken loans from the IMF for a long time, but its influence on the Russian economy is still great. Fund employees meet with officials and experts, point out flaws and give advice. On Friday, the fund recommended that the government raise its retirement age. The IMF issued similar recommendations to Ukraine, which recently presented the concept of pension reform.
  • Dedok 27 February 2020 11: 39 New
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    Many years ago, in the internet there was infa about the lost documents / stolen car, well, I don’t remember exactly, but everything that disappeared belonged to the footballer Zenith, there was also a sick list among the missing ... here on this occasion it was noticed in the internet that the sick leave there will be a payment of several million rubles. and the people noted that there is insurance to solve these problems with athletes, what kind of sick-list?
    Why am I? - if you remove such payments for people receiving a salary disproportionate to the "average values ​​for the hospital" - then the money for the "old people" will be enough, even with automation / robotization of production.
    And there are a lot of such people (I’m not just talking about football players).
  • Campanella 27 February 2020 11: 42 New
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    All the "innovations" of power come from ideologies that are laid in their heads. I will not say who, because the issue is complex and complex. Obviously, the authorities pursue their goals through reforms, and for the most part hide their true motives. Under the conditions of relative legality, it is clear that personal Wishlist always prevail over the public.
    Therefore, such initiatives and results. So no wonder. The Soviet project was curtailed and now we are floundering in the general capitalist swamp and are waiting for a world mission. It is clear that this is not the United States and not Russia.
    The political elite of Russia cannot rise above its philistine worldview. And actually how do they cook children know how the state should be governed, if they crawled into power in the wake of the coup.
    1. Nikolay73 27 February 2020 11: 57 New
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      It’s not the gods who burn the pots ... something the “elite” did not manifest itself in anything but universal and snobbery ... although a practically unlimited resource has a place to be ... and quantity does not turn into quality, and for centuries, and you here cock up children in vain ...
      1. Campanella 27 February 2020 17: 23 New
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        I agree with you, the cook has nothing to do with it. But it’s clear that people in power are motivated by the environment in which they grew up. It turns out that all current liberals (former communists) were brought up in an atmosphere of duplicity and lies. They were built into power because they were not ready to stand behind an idea, but they had a desire to live well under any power.
        And here the main, personnel issue arises. Whatever your constitution, these rat-rats will turn the situation in their favor, which we see.
        If you want to make people happy, do it, and do not refer to external factors, the constitution, corruption.
        And with us they come out every time and they say, now we will carry out the reform and heal!
        Only the last part works in this formula — they live and heal, and the people survive.
        1. Nikolay73 27 February 2020 17: 43 New
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          I personally, from my couch, I can manage the country ... and I see everything and I know and there are a lot of ideas .. once, when I was still a young specialist, the director (a lady aged) said: - A lot of ambition, but little ammunition ... I I’m ironic only about myself, and so, I consider the appointment of the guilty, even the very first persons of the state to be counterproductive, but I don’t know what to do ... I want it, it’s breathtaking, not for myself, for our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, for posterity ... but there is no recipe ... it would be bitter to admit to punishing the guilty and the innocent ... we live like that, like with God and faith in justice, but still not as I would like ... a paradox.
          1. Aleksandr1971 28 February 2020 06: 45 New
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            My recipe for you.
            Try to provide for yourself and your loved ones. All the rest, the Government and other Russians, do not care about you and your relatives. Therefore, your old age, the old age of children and grandchildren will be provided with their own labor, and not parasitism at someone else’s expense according to “pike (pension) orders”.
            Your excitement for small pensions of others is more likely to be related to philosophy, so take this in a philosophical (disregarding) way.
            1. Nikolay73 28 February 2020 15: 52 New
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              Actually, I'm already retired ... which allows me to see the situation from both sides ...
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  • Alex66 27 February 2020 12: 53 New
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    And why suddenly Medvedev after retirement ripoff, proposed to introduce 4 days? Yes, just no one needs so many workers, not today, tomorrow they will introduce new technologies, the same drivers, sellers, security guards will not be needed. So there was no reason other than redneck. And personally, after that, I don’t believe Putin, no matter how good he now tries to seem.
    1. Campanella 27 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      He hung a carrot in front of the donkey so that the donkey would carry him further into the bright future. For me, for example, as a carrier of power, these ruling sharamygs have long lost confidence. But it is impossible to dismiss them, to overthrow them also because they are part of the constitutional foundations. So it turns out the theater of the absurd, when he can not expel an uninvited guest from his house. So you live so that the power receives what it deserves and no more.
  • Aleksandr1971 27 February 2020 17: 41 New
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    Dear author and readers. Please separate topics from each other. Theft of power and pension reform are two different topics.
    I believe that in Russia, when the number of officially working and pensioners was almost equal, it is impossible to give pensioners pensions comparable to salaries. The reason is that the Pension Fund deducts 22% of the salaries of current workers. Officially 40 million people work in Russia. Another 40 million people work in the shadow sector and do not pay in the PF. These 22% of the workers must be smudged by 40 million retirees. Accordingly, the pension should be 1/5 of the average salary. Of course, the PF of Russia is greatly inflated. Compared with the US PF, in which 300 thousand employees, our PF has 1 million employees. Only the US PF serves about 100 million customers, and our PF - 40 million customers. And the U.S. PF turnover is 20 times greater than ours. But the reduction of our PF will not give a strong increase in retirement. The increase in pensions will be given by the ratio of officially working people, in which there will be much more of them than pensioners. And since this is not expected, then there is no need to cry for small pensions. The maximum that is possible here is to shorten the list of professions for which there is an early retirement - these are the military, law enforcement officers, northerners, Chernobyl workers, theater workers, workers in harmful professions, etc. Of course, it is also necessary to gradually increase the retirement age, especially among women, because there are 10 times more female pensioners than male pensioners. Therefore, first of all, women pensioners most of all reduce the PF's ability to increase the size of pensions. Set aside gentlemen yourself for old age and do not expect that the state should subsidize pensions. Because such a parasitic mood is called parasitism. Income taxes, VAT, natural resources, excise taxes and duties, etc. should go to budget expenses. And the revenues and expenses of the PF of Russia are extrabudgetary and are approved by separate laws.
  • Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 18: 53 New
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    Well, the janitors are found on meager salaries! Judging by the number of bankruptcies, directors are not much different from janitors! And generally speaking! Why should a director have an exorbitant salary? What is the business rationale for this? To reduce costs, he should have a minimum! Here you are at all for free. Have you got less from this mind?


    So invest your money, create an enterprise, be a director and pay yourself a minimum wage. What should others indicate?
  • Sancho_SP 27 February 2020 18: 56 New
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    Quote: fleks
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Leftists love to search for logic where it does not exist
    Sometimes logic is implicit.

    Yeah, when someone thinks in their favor.

    You, Mr. Good, are not arguing in our favor. and in the direction of your masters --- Deripasok of Vekselberg Abramovich Chubais


    I argue towards the cessation of fees (taxes, tariffs, excise taxes, fines) from me and spending these funds on pensions and benefits to those who did not pay such taxes.

    Over 10 years of work experience, I paid more taxes than the "average" citizen of Russia for my whole life, according to the Federal State Statistics Service. And what am I Deripaska? So, an engineer.