In Poland, discussing the possibility of acquiring American tanks M1 Abrams


In Poland, they decided to consider the situation regarding the possible acquisition of American tanks M1 Abrams. In particular, it is noted that it is necessary to study the question of how these tanks are able to increase the combat effectiveness of the Polish army amid threats. The main threat to the Polish political elites continues to be Russia.


In Poland, next year the program of modernization of the army and fleetfor a 15 year period. Under this program, the Polish command plans to rearm tank units, replacing the "obsolete T-72."

Currently, the Leopard-2 tank is considered the basis for the rearmament of the tank units of the Polish Armed Forces. However, the Polish expert Mateusz Zilonka suggests discussing the purchase of M1 Abrams. The expert cites a statement by an employee of the Lexington Institute (USA), Dr. Dan Hur. Gur noted that Washington could authorize the sale of Abrams tanks to the Poles to increase the defense capability of the Polish state.

Mateusz Zilonka writes that in this case it is necessary to agree on cooperation with American partners in the “tank polonization”. In particular, we are talking about creating such a version of "Abrams", which would be most consistent with the possibility of use on Polish territory. But the Polish expert has no illusions, noting that such a “Polish version” of M1 Abrams can cost the Polish budget a round sum, and it is pointless to acquire the American version, since it is not suitable for Polish conditions of use.

An example is the delivery of versions of the Abrams M1A2T to Taiwan. 108 armored vehicles for the Taiwanese army cost the country's budget $ 2 billion. Accordingly, for Taipei, each tank cost more than $ 18,5 million.

Mateusz Zilonka:

The cost of the purchase is only the beginning, because you also need to remember the costs of the logistics of armored vehicles. And the Abrams are among the most expensive tanks in operation in the world.
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  1. Basarev 23 February 2020 13: 53 New
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    What is the point of the Poles changing one obsolete tank to another? They could strain and create their own, if they really want to spend money uselessly.
    1. Alexander Seklitsky 23 February 2020 13: 57 New
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      "elementary watson" it is necessary to lick the ass of Uncle Sam laughing
      1. Ru_Na 23 February 2020 14: 26 New
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        Their tongue has not yet become covered with calluses from zealous licking ?!
        1. krot 23 February 2020 19: 55 New
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          Yes, fine, M1 .. laughing They can still buy T-72 from us. So then one segment ...)
    2. Sergey39 23 February 2020 13: 59 New
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      They could create their own tank. But the task for the generators of this idea is different. Crouch in front of a weakening hegemon and give money to American manufacturers of military equipment, who pay for the promotion of this "idea."
      1. orionvitt 23 February 2020 15: 11 New
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        Quote: Sergey39
        They could create their own tank.

        Could, but only a toy. A modern tank, this is not a blunder. This is a high-tech product where entire manufacturing industries are involved. And the Poles have neither resources nor a tank building school.
        1. Dmitry Donskoy 23 February 2020 15: 25 New
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          That's for sure. Recently I saw how they harden the hull of tanks, so this is a whole symphony.
        2. missuris 24 February 2020 17: 08 New
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          yes it, just in the 21st century, a modern tank is a blunder, the main thing is that they would sell components, the tank can be assembled entirely from imported parts. Like the USSR, no one is building now, even China and Russia will buy something abroad.
      2. antivirus 23 February 2020 19: 10 New
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        shit rushing and can return to the Poles - The Germans subsidize the development of polonium. defense orders will leave (from the EU) - the "friendship of Germany" and other EU will also leave
    3. figwam 23 February 2020 15: 23 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      They could strain and create their own, if they really want to spend money uselessly.

      Even there is no analogue in the world in one copy, but it is apparently so good that you still want old Abrams.
      1. rich 23 February 2020 15: 56 New
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        In Poland, discussing the possibility of acquiring American tanks M1 Abrams

        Appetite comes with eating yes First penguins, now tanks ... if the Ministry of Finance does not stop them in time, it will end with the purchase of an aircraft carrier laughing
    4. Stalllker 23 February 2020 15: 50 New
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      Just a business and nothing personal! More precisely, "personal state" interest
    5. svp67 23 February 2020 15: 55 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      What is the point of the Poles changing one obsolete tank to another? They could strain and create their own, if they really want to spend money uselessly.

      To show your loyal mood ...
    6. TermNachTer 23 February 2020 16: 09 New
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      And what, psheks have their own tank building school or factories that produce heavy armored vehicles? The Indians out there, blinded "out of the blue" their "Arjun" - now the whole world is laughing. But in general, I’m laughing at the Psheks, they are going to buy “Abrams”, F - 35, to build a missile defense system for mattresses, while in Brussels they hinted very “very thickly” that Warsaw rations will be cut very much. This will greatly depend on how much the Pshek will be rude to Brussels.
      1. Falx 23 February 2020 16: 34 New
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        they have something, the same T-72 they produced, under license. then they carried out modernization on their own ... in general, they had some hurt, albeit a small one.
        and instead of developing this reserve, (as in Romania) stupid Psheks spend money on expensive Leopards, and dream of even more expensive Abrams ... foolish !!

        In comparison with psheks, Indian dancers are more impressed with me ... "Do it in India"! this is the motto! and the dancers are trying, they are sculpting the couple .. yes, you are right that the stuck together “Arjun” is “ridiculous” in itself .. but it’s a precious experience, but this is no longer funny, the Indians will succeed sooner or later.

        But the Poles throw their experience. although of course this is their business.
        1. white.eagle 24 February 2020 15: 40 New
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          Even Czechs buy armored weapons in the West, although they have a long tradition of creating such weapons. The fact is that we can build a tank of the Russian T 90 class. But Russia will always have several times more of such tanks and especially crews. That is why Poland needs a tank that will have a significant advantage over Russian tanks. To even the odds and even get an edge.
    7. Russobel 23 February 2020 16: 09 New
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      Accurately "spend money to no avail"
      But they don’t have as much cardboard on improvised tanks ... multi-layered.
      1. TermNachTer 23 February 2020 17: 35 New
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        But there is a multilayer plywood
    8. Thrifty 23 February 2020 17: 09 New
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      Yes, let them take it, only immediately in bulk quantities. They would have to buy a hundred Leclercists, “Challengers 2” also with a hundred, “Chariots 3”, all that is available to redeem! To the Indians envied, because they do not have such a hodgepodge of tanks.
      1. Falx 23 February 2020 17: 31 New
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        The coolest hodgepodge in Iran. but they have historically happened ....
    9. Uncle Izya 23 February 2020 20: 11 New
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      How are they obsolete?
    10. Nikolai Grek 24 February 2020 00: 50 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      They could strain and create their own

      what Do not overestimate their abilities ... including mental !! laughing
  2. Pereira 23 February 2020 13: 56 New
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    This is exactly what the Poles lack for complete happiness. Let them buy. I do not mind their money. But I would see how he and Trump will bargain.
    1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 15: 52 New
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      Also like a varic, let them ruin themselves
  3. carstorm 11 23 February 2020 14: 00 New
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    stupidly political whim ... for a substantial replacement of the fleet of money, they still will not find it, and a pair of battalions to arm does not make much sense. It is time for the Poles to understand that by doing all this they do not just draw a target on themselves, but also highlight it themselves. in fact, Poland is already becoming the primary goal in any conflict. its ports have long been a target for striking. even without deliveries of these, in any case, they will be destroyed first and immediately. why they do it to me personally do not understand.
    1. Lesorub 23 February 2020 15: 20 New
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      Mateusz Zilonka proposes to discuss the purchase of M1

      I think Mateusz Zilonka is motivated by the Americans, there is no other explanation, having T 72, Leopard and their service infrastructure, at least the statements of this character seem to be countries.

      Quote: carstorm 11
      in fact, Poland is already becoming the primary goal in any conflict.

      I agree with you: in case of even more serious conflict with the NATO bloc, Poland in the forefront of utilization and the M1 or Leo purchased by them will not play any role.
    2. Stalllker 23 February 2020 15: 53 New
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      Yes, they all understand that they are a target. And they also understand that you can’t turn off the back
      1. carstorm 11 23 February 2020 16: 24 New
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        do not turn it off. their ports for the transfer of reinforcements are needed like air. which means they will be burned right away.
  4. Magic archer 23 February 2020 14: 00 New
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    But what about the super tank of the future, which the Poles boasted about ??? Even the layout was! Apparently something went wrong laughing
    1. Constanty 23 February 2020 14: 11 New
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      The Lord himself wrote that this is just a mockup. And it is based on non-Polish CV-90. The poor man was trying to get a grant, but it’s interesting that the idea probably gained popularity in South Korea, demonstrating a surprisingly similar model at ADEX2019

      1. IL-18 23 February 2020 14: 35 New
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        If VO is read in Polonium, then they may realize that if you have a license for T-72, you can produce them at your own place, keeping it as modern as possible. And save money, and get a formidable enough power. Yes, really ... Apparently the purchase of weapons from the Americans, in this case, is to our advantage.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky 23 February 2020 14: 39 New
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          They just see nowhere to put fuel laughing It is not for nothing that the T80 with the GTD was not widely used here. I’m afraid to imagine how much the Abrams unit will eat. belay A rear convoy of fuel trucks should immediately follow them. laughing
        2. Constanty 23 February 2020 14: 58 New
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          I completely agree with you, but as far as I know, already in 2009, Bumar could not produce tanks on
          T-72 licenses - there were no experienced employees or even welders. arms purchases from the Americans
          it is rather a sign of slavery of our authorities :-(
          I won’t be surprised if we buy these Abrams - for colossal money to please the Americans :-(
          1. IL-18 23 February 2020 23: 06 New
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            Well, intention is not a bargain. Although, I remember how the Polish An-2, Mi-2, commercial vehicles, landing craft and much of consumer goods throughout the Union could be found.
          2. Chigi 24 February 2020 05: 49 New
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            It is very sad that in Poland lost the ability to produce tanks.
            But the T-72 is still being modernized in the countries operating it.
        3. mat-vey 25 February 2020 11: 23 New
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          Poland is a member of NATO, which T-72. Everything should be brought to NATO standard.
  5. Incvizitor 23 February 2020 14: 02 New
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    Broken Poles of unbeaten Fshists are being taken. The EU cuts off all their livelihoods to them and they just have to wave to the Western jackal, well, that’s where they are.
  6. Morglenn 23 February 2020 14: 07 New
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    Is it worth buying Abrams if the Poles have Leopards in the army? Isn't it easier to buy more Leopards? It looks more like American lobbyists are trying to push the products of American corporations into the Polish army.
  7. Reserve buildbat 23 February 2020 14: 08 New
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    Right! Let them quickly switch to abrashki! This will ensure the immobility of the tank troops of Pshekia and Megadyr in the budget! The country's defense will go to minus.
  8. Grits 23 February 2020 14: 11 New
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    The Poles will soon have everything American. From gas molecules to brains of leadership. Can they no longer suffer in their licking of the American anus, but immediately offer themselves officially as an American colony? I am sure that the Poles will ride for a week with joy and declare this day a holiday.
    1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 16: 00 New
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      The gas is Russian there, it makes sense to drive it with the United States, if through shell companies it can be bought and sold in the Yamal Peninsula as American. This circuit has already been ignited
  9. Falx 23 February 2020 14: 17 New
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    18,5 lyam apiece ??? FUCK !!!
    Poles buy! do not skimp! and the more the better! take on credit if Che ... the most important thing here is not to forget about the "Russian threat"! At the same time, Uncle Donald will please ...
    1. Incvizitor 23 February 2020 16: 12 New
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      Nothing good, the Nazis on this loot around the world train terrorists.
  10. samarin1969 23 February 2020 14: 20 New
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    The Polish "proletariat" assisted the fraternal proletariat of America. And preparing for war with the "class brothers" from the East. laughing
    "And for the hillock they forge axes,
    Raging heads to slap ... "
  11. Proton 23 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    The ladies of the old horse with corn to them in .. will be sold and they will be glad laughing
  12. Cruel beaver 23 February 2020 14: 30 New
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    Something happened with Moskon in polonium ..... And where are the doctors looking? the patient has an attack !!!!!
  13. knn54 23 February 2020 14: 33 New
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    Who will explain what "polonization" is? In addition to improving patency, another does not occur.
  14. Amateur 23 February 2020 14: 39 New
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    F-35, Abrams, Patriots, as well as an aircraft carrier and at least one nuclear submarine with Tomahawks. In the long term - the interstellar cruiser "Death Star".
    To do this, Germany and Russia will have to pay reparations to the Poles in the amount of at least $ 100000000000 per year until tyłek nie pęknie (something breaks) fool
    1. askort154 23 February 2020 15: 12 New
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      Amateur ... F-35, Abrams, Patriots, as well as an aircraft carrier and at least one nuclear submarine with Tomahawks. In the long term - the interstellar cruiser "Death Star".

      Israel receives from the United States, an annual subsidy of 3,8 billion. dollars (38 for 10 years).
      Poland receives a subsidy from the EU - more than 1 billion euros per year.
      Therefore, the guys are shouting for free, purchasing the F-35, and all that their "cartridge" will offer.
      Brussels is already beginning to spawn, Polish arrogance.
      1. Amateur 23 February 2020 15: 20 New
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        Israel receives from the United States, an annual subsidy of 3,8 billion. dollars (38 for 10 years).

        You made me funny! Compare Israel with Poland. what
        "This joke is stronger than Faust Goethe"
      2. Stalllker 23 February 2020 16: 02 New
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        They are not just given, but "paid" for services
  15. Avior 23 February 2020 15: 04 New
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    . However, the Polish expert Mateusz Zilonka suggests discussing the purchase of M1 Abrams.

    And besides him, is someone seriously discussing this, or is this one little green one having such ideas?
    Something about others in the article there is nothing
  16. TatarinSSSR 23 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    Poland wants to undermine its economy with arms costs. The USA joyfully rub their hands - money flows for pieces of iron in your pocket.
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    1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 16: 04 New
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      The T-90’s caliber is not the same, but they are all customized to the NATO standard
      1. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 16: 50 New
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        Quote: Stalllker
        The T-90’s caliber is not the same, but they are all customized to the NATO standard

        For the sake of such a thing - you can grind!
        1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 18: 45 New
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          NATO seems to be smaller, if only the "insert" is shoved, as for smooth))))
          1. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 18: 55 New
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            Quote: Stalllker
            NATO seems to have less

            Yes? Well, I don’t know ... Let them wrap them with rags or something ...
            1. Stalllker 24 February 2020 02: 14 New
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              Well, yes, 120 mm, we have 125 mm. You can also wrap the "bullet" with rags, we get a sub-caliber
    2. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 16: 58 New
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      Quote: 013
      In terms of tanks, they would better turn to the Russian Federation.

      Quote: 013
      For the cost of one abrams, you can get 2 new T90S / A in the most bourgeois configuration

      Quote: 013
      instead of one abrams for the same cost, you can get 3 T90's

      Quote: 013
      Winning will be in everything.

      Haha! Haha! The more expensive the better! Faster to tear.
      Quote: 013
      And to buy T90 - in general, I think not a problem.

      And I would not be so categorical.
      Mexico with our helicopters and India with the S-400, not to mention Turkey, testify.
  18. Lekz 23 February 2020 15: 19 New
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    There is no doubt that the Poles will make an effort to help make America great again. If in doubt about the desire to help, Trump will find arguments to force the Poles to buy an American product.
    1. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Lekz
      There is no doubt that the Poles will make an effort to help make America great again

      Turned inside out.
  19. Stalllker 23 February 2020 15: 49 New
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    I won’t be surprised if they put a “sand” color
    1. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 16: 48 New
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      Quote: Stalllker
      I won’t be surprised if they put a “sand” color

      Judging by the fact that production new stopped, why not?
      1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 18: 42 New
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        But did Russia sell the second-hand T-90A to someone? Or new riveted with minced meat for a specific customer?
        1. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 18: 52 New
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          Just in case, I apologize, but how is it connected?
          Quote: Stalllker
          I won’t be surprised if they put a “sand” color

          и
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Judging by the fact that the production of new ones has been stopped, why not?

          с
          Quote: Stalllker
          And did Russia sell the second-hand T-90A to someone?

          Fair.
          1. Stalllker 24 February 2020 02: 16 New
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            Of course honestly
  20. mmrr 23 February 2020 15: 57 New
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    Abrams was heavy for Europe. The Americans realized this after the exercises in Poland and the Baltic states. There are too many rivers and streams with bridges and bridges on the Abrams path. That's why Russia is in no hurry to dispose of T-55, T-62 storage bases.
  21. Pavel57 23 February 2020 16: 06 New
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    A lot of zlotys.
  22. Victor March 47 23 February 2020 16: 38 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Basarev
    They could strain and create their own, if they really want to spend money uselessly.

    Even there is no analogue in the world in one copy, but it is apparently so good that you still want old Abrams.

    Plywood does not scare anyone. It is important to be there in time and help Sherkhan .....

    Winston Churchill was mistaken in calling Poland a hyena of Europe. This is the jackal of Europe.
  23. Boris Ivanov 23 February 2020 16: 38 New
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    The Poles are ready, as in the saying- "to spite the conductor (of Russia) to go on foot")
  24. Victor March 47 23 February 2020 16: 40 New
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    Quote: mmrr
    Abrams was heavy for Europe. The Americans realized this after the exercises in Poland and the Baltic states. There are too many rivers and streams with bridges and bridges on the Abrams path. That's why Russia is in no hurry to dispose of T-55, T-62 storage bases.

    Nothing to do in Europe. "Iskander" with nuclear stuffing will do everything right and without old tanks. The remaining will be given the opportunity to bury the burned. We will not bother them.
  25. Vasyan1971 23 February 2020 16: 46 New
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    we are talking about creating such a version of "Abrams", which would be most consistent with the possibility of use on Polish territory.

    Like half the armor will be removed for relief?
    And in general - first you have to pay for the fe-35 (albeit without the attached devices). What is already here
    15-year period modernization program for the army and navy.
    if Brussels starts to take the loot?
  26. Zaurbek 23 February 2020 17: 19 New
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    The Poles began to buy Leo .... have a T72 .... and buy Abrams. Everything is like in the Russian Federation.
    1. businessv 23 February 2020 21: 58 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      The Poles began to buy Leo .... have a T72 .... and buy Abrams. Everything is like in the Russian Federation.

      And what, our many Leo ... and Abrashek acquired? It’s a pity, whales do not know about it! lol
      1. Zaurbek 23 February 2020 22: 50 New
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        I'm talking about the operation of three different tanks at the same time .... T72 / 80/90
        1. businessv 23 February 2020 23: 00 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          I'm talking about the operation of three different tanks at the same time .... T72 / 80/90

          For us it’s an evolution that doesn’t cost a lot of money, but for the Poles T-72, Leo, Abrash it’s a hodgepodge that will be impossible to use efficiently and cheaply.
          1. Zaurbek 24 February 2020 07: 26 New
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            For us it’s the same ... even the worst. They will easily buy. The USSR developed and manufactured the T-64, T-72, T-80 ... in parallel.
  27. Arthur 85 23 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    Lord, well, they’re so stubborn ... "I have, whatever the tank, it’s a cucumber," said master Bezenchuk. , founded in 1915. " And Hippolytus Matveyevia saw that the master was mortally drunk.
  28. Vlad5307 23 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    But the Polish expert has no illusions, noting that such a “Polish version” of M1 Abrams can cost the Polish budget a round sum, and it is pointless to acquire the American version, since it is not suitable for Polish conditions of use.

    It hints that the Polish road infrastructure is not ready to receive amersky equipment and it is necessary to redo it, i.e. to polonize? The more Poles will buy state weapons, the faster their economy will fall apart under the weight of its service.
  29. acetophenon 23 February 2020 18: 43 New
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    The Poles are trying to strengthen their army with unsuitable means. It immediately reminds from what place the fish rots. fool
  30. Viktor Sergeev 23 February 2020 19: 11 New
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    Abrams in Poland? Already ridiculous, except that as targets, and still.
  31. ROSS_51 23 February 2020 19: 59 New
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    There is not enough money to upgrade the rogue version of Leopard-PL, let's look at the rogue version of Abrams-PL) Which even the pyramid builders refused))
    1. Gosha Smirnov 25 February 2020 00: 54 New
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      in impoverished Poland, the average salary is higher than in not impoverished RF
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        Quote: Gosha Smirnov
        in impoverished Poland, the average salary is higher than in not impoverished RF

        Gosh, do not ascribe to me your speculation. I did not call Poland a beggar.
        But from this the Leopard-PL version does not become full-fledged. Rather, the not-so-rogue modernization is becoming more and more expensive for the Poles. They then hoped that Rheinmetall would also make repairs for freebies under this shop.
  32. Olddetractor 23 February 2020 20: 33 New
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    Quote: Vlad5307
    It hints that the Polish road infrastructure is not ready to receive amersky equipment and it is necessary to redo it, i.e. to polonize?

    It is possible without altering the roads. Just the Abrams will put on one track. Which, of course, will lead to their rise in price :)) Tanks for defense, they are
  33. IC
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    Very heavy tank, which cannot be quickly moved through Polish communications (bridges, roads, etc.)
  34. Klingon 23 February 2020 20: 56 New
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    and let the striped ones feed Abrashek’s psekam on three roads, they are naive, you might think, in the case of a serious batch, it will reach a direct tank clash. Mr. Iskander will resolve this issue in advance wassat
  35. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 23 February 2020 21: 05 New
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    If my sclerosis does not change me, then some time ago, at the NATO exercises. Abrams could not transfer from ports to landfills. By railway dimensions did not pass. Question! Clear-minded what? Have you redid the railway tracks?
  36. businessv 23 February 2020 21: 55 New
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    The cost of the purchase is only the beginning, because you also need to remember the costs of the logistics of armored vehicles. And the Abrams are among the most expensive tanks in operation in the world.
    Well, at least he showed sanity here! Huge, heavy, old and clumsy! It is unlikely that the "Polish political elites" in this venture will go beyond talk. As usual!
  37. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 00: 36 New
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    You can discuss it as much as you like, only it’s all in vain ... Money is needed for buying, and poor Poland lives on loans from the USA and the EU, and this year it’s time to pay on previously taken loans and pay a lot ... I would also with pleasure, I bought myself a new house, but this requires about 18 million rubles, which, alas, I don’t have ... And I don’t want to go into debt, because I’m not a Pole ...
    1. Gosha Smirnov 24 February 2020 01: 44 New
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      in impoverished Poland, the average salary is higher than in not impoverished RF
      1. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 01: 44 New
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        Prices and debt are also higher ...
        1. Gosha Smirnov 25 February 2020 00: 52 New
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          Modern more or less developed countries just develop due to the buildup of internal and external debt. The wealth of states is determined by the level of well-being of their citizens including, and not by the absence of debt. Modern money is fiat and the level of debt is not as important as the percentage for its servicing how and to whom this debt belongs. Most of the public debt of developed countries is a debt to ourselves.
          1. Sapsan136 25 February 2020 17: 21 New
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            Living in debt, this is not wealth and not the economy, this is a soap bubble that will burst and will not seem enough ...
            1. Gosha Smirnov 25 February 2020 23: 49 New
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              THE WHOLE history of the development of modern capitalism IS WRITTEN BY PERMANENT BUBBLES that periodically inflate in different zones of e-ki. .All technologically developed countries exclusively promote scientific and technical progress through credit. And only poor countries that DO NOT know how to use modern credit mechanisms and are not able to build their own (the USSR, for example, built its own independent division of labor) or integrate into the world, such as you degenerates in matters of ecology are told and taught all kinds of crap in universities, etc. about crises and the type about how the ec-ka is arranged or should be arranged, etc. .. But it is completely not so arranged as you are trying to rub here! And only in very limited, closed elite institutions give real knowledge. All 500 years of development of capitalism are constant, permanent cyclical and so on. crises. But no matter how technological development is going on. And IT primarily determines the further line of development of society and its wealth. And this wealth is determined not by candy wrappers or gold, not real estate and land, but by the level of technology development and the level of development of society, its skills, so to speak. Debts are corrupted when the bubble collapses and the extra money is simply sterilized, and the other part goes to the development of a new technological structure. All these debts are virtual and nothing. I’m not going to give you any more lectures here and answer to all sorts of nonsense to a person who is generally far from real ec-koi topics and writes propaganda cliches.
              1. Sapsan136 27 February 2020 11: 06 New
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                Well, the United States is not smarter than the USSR, with its Great Depression, which is just around the corner ... And given the fact that Trump is far from Roosevelt, and Clinton, moreover, everything will be even worse ...
                1. Gosha Smirnov 1 March 2020 14: 34 New
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                  First of all, what does Roosevelt or Clinton have to do with it? All these mechanisms that Roosevelt began to implement in order to overcome the e-crisis were launched before him by Hoover. And ALL sane people and economists are well aware that there are temporary lags. VD was not only in the United States, but also in many other places. So, not his ideas at all, but the ideas were his brain team. And Roosevelt, like Trump, is just basically just an embodiment of one of the elite groups. They are their representatives. And, for example, in Europe, Adolf Aloisovich did something similar with success. Secondly, well, intensification and continuation in the new phase of the deferred crisis 8/9 (this is not a new crisis, but the same - the reasons for the 8/9 crisis are still not completely eliminated and then it was stupidly flooded with money, etc. ..). Well and so what? Does anyone have some kind of new model in the world? No! China tried to push through a new concept and its understanding of the way out. It didn’t work out. Russia and the EU have their own. It didn’t work out. There is nothing conceptually new. And as a result The USA collapsed the USSR. Because it turned out to be smarter. And the USSR came to a standstill. Because in the 70s both the USA and the USSR started the same regular crisis. As they called it a period of stagnation. In terms of that time - a drop in capital productivity. Now it is called a drop in capital efficiency. In the United States, they found a solution and launched a mechanism to stimulate domestic consumption, since then the world was already divided and new markets were stupidly no longer was. In the USSR they didn’t find and fell apart. So all something similar already happened. And these crises are permanent. And then they will begin to bring down the system completely and change (as there were transitions from antiquity to feudalism, etc. ..), when someone will have a completely new mo but nobody therefore has it! And therefore, all this garbage is complete and there will be no global transformation, although peripheral conflicts will be difficult to avoid, and those countries that are technologically serious and backed up will come out of the next crisis, regardless of level their public debt, etc ..
  38. Gosha Smirnov 24 February 2020 01: 43 New
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    1 Abrams is cooler than 10 t72. There is nothing to think about. There would be grandmas
  39. Den717 24 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    Mateusz Zilonka:
    The cost of the purchase is only the beginning, because you also need to remember the costs of the logistics of armored vehicles. And the Abrams are among the most expensive tanks in operation in the world.

    While the “Abrams” are in the hands of only the American contingent of NATO, the strengthening of roads and bridges in Poland was done for NATO money. Now, when these almost 70-ton pieces of iron become the property of the Polish Armed Forces, this concern will fall on the shoulders of the Polish budget. They, apparently, have money "not measured" laughing Why would we worry about their economies? wassat
  40. Ax Matt 24 February 2020 19: 21 New
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    Go ahead with the song! They will not be offered the new “Abrams” A2, but most likely the “budget options” that are rapidly becoming obsolete in their homeland. But the States are only good: you have to throw off the trash somewhere. And then the Poles with their "skilled tongues" and American loans ... laughing
  41. Gosha Smirnov 25 February 2020 23: 51 New
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    Quote: Sapsan136
    Living in debt, this is not wealth and not the economy, this is a soap bubble that will burst and will not seem enough ...

    And there’s never been anything like this so that there’s nothing