“This is a complete failure”: US officer on the Turkish offensive and militants in Idlib

“This is a complete failure”: US officer on the Turkish offensive and militants in Idlib

The complete failure of the militants' attack on the positions of the Syrian forces in Idlib became apparent, despite the active participation of the Turkish armed forces. To this conclusion comes the American military expert Scott Ritter, who believes that no other outcome was expected.


He is a retired U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer. He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector for the implementation of the INF Treaty, was assigned to the headquarters of General Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War, and in 1991-1998 he worked as the UN arms inspector.

Defeat as inevitability


The militants of the Hayyat Tahrir al-Sham terrorist group (banned in the Russian Federation), with the participation of Turkish troops, attacked the Syrian army, which was doomed from the very beginning. Now the main question is why?

- writes Ritter.

The militant units, with the support of Turkish artillery, were able to capture several positions of the Syrian army in the area of ​​the village of Nairab, receiving several units of armored vehicles as trophies, and then were thrown back as a result of air strikes delivered by the Russian Air Force.

At the same time, Turkish troops for the first time openly fought shoulder to shoulder with militants. According to the expert, the battle for Nairab should have been a prelude to the massive invasion of Ankara, the beginning of a new campaign, "designed to punish the Syrian army and its Russian allies."


Here were the Su-24


The battle is over - I'm going home


There is one problem in this scenario - the Russian Air Force [...] As long as Russian planes operate in Idlib, not a single offensive operation against the Syrian army has a chance of success

- indicates Ritter.

He believes that the Turkish military is fully aware of this reality, and therefore the question arises: why launch an attack that was doomed to failure? According to him, first of all, it should be taken into account: Ankara did not know how Moscow would react.

This question has already been answered. Carrying out an attack on Nairab, Turkey exacerbated the situation almost to the level of direct Turkish-Russian confrontation

- notes the expert.

In these conditions, he believes, most likely Ankara will take the position of the Kremlin, striving for de-escalation, "in order to avoid any long-term damage to Turkish-Russian relations." However, Moscow will demand unconditional cleansing of the province from militants. And Turkey will be forced to take this position into account, "if it is not ready to risk a full-scale war with Russia over Idlib." In general, the last battle should be seen as the Kremlin’s firm decision to complete the country's unification under the rule of Damascus.

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  1. olhon 21 February 2020 01: 53 New
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    "There were SU-24." That says it all. laughing
    1. Hagalaz 21 February 2020 07: 52 New
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      Naturally, I do not pretend to be absolutely right, and I myself am not sure, but as an assumption. Or maybe Glavturok in this way utilizes barmaley whom they are not able to completely control? And who is the smut and for himself?
      1. Pecheneg 21 February 2020 08: 23 New
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        It’s quite a logical judgment, the Sultan has no opportunity to lead the barmaley, he can’t persuade them either, but please substitute them like cannon fodder. No barmaley, no problem.
        1. alexmach 21 February 2020 09: 59 New
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          I mean can’t lead? Yes, they are completely and completely dependent on the Turks. Starting from the supply of weapons, ammunition, food in the end, and ending with families in refugee camps. And the Turkish troops around. If not for Turkey, they would have been there a long time ago.
          1. Hagalaz 21 February 2020 11: 37 New
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            You won’t make out whether the dog wags its tail, or the tail of the dog. From Turkey, then they can get anything, but obey, when it could and would be necessary, nifiga. Moreover, it is possible that among the barmaley and the CIA has an influence different from the intentions of the Sultan. Again, these are my assumptions.
            1. alexmach 21 February 2020 12: 49 New
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              Moreover, it is possible that among the barmaley and the CIA has an influence different from the intentions of the sultan

              Well .. an influence different from the will of the Sultan can be not only among the Barmalei, but throughout Turkey as a whole. which does not negate the fact that the militants there is no independent figure at all. May not be in principle.
              1. Shurik70 21 February 2020 14: 35 New
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                Quote: Hagalaz
                maybe Glavturok thus utilizes barmaley

                Their Syrians are perfectly disposed of.
                If they do not bother.
                No, Erdogan wanted to see the reaction of Moscow - we are ready for the sake of Assad to risk seriously quarreling with the Turks, or not.
                1. Hagalaz 21 February 2020 15: 01 New
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                  Then I would rephrase. Are we ready for the sake of our interests in Syria to take a chance .... Well, hereinafter.
                2. Alex777 21 February 2020 16: 07 New
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                  Their Syrians are perfectly disposed of.

                  Any simplification may lead to an incomplete assessment of the situation.
                  Syrians - well done, lately.
                  They are no longer the ones who passed Palmyra several times.
                  But barmalei are also not fools. If they are crowded, they depart. Where do they go?
                  Only to Turkey. Erdogan cannot keep out - they will not understand their own.
                  And to have such a number of militarily trained loafers in the country is also impossible. So a dilemma arises without a simple solution. hi
                  1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 01: 56 New
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                    Quote: Alex777
                    Only to Turkey. Erdogan cannot keep out - they will not understand their own.
                    And to have such a number of militarily trained loafers in the country is also impossible. So a dilemma arises without a simple solution.

                    no dilemma ... he raised himself, and take it to yourself !!! am what kind of moron logic is this - have you been blamed and aren't guilty like ???? what let his wards now in Turkey organize terrorist attacks and fight for their freedom !!! negative
                    1. Alex777 22 February 2020 20: 02 New
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                      Any simplification may lead to an incomplete assessment of the situation.
          2. Kostyar 21 February 2020 11: 54 New
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            the last battle should be understood as the Kremlin’s firm decision to complete the country's unification under the rule of Damascus.

            I don’t believe my ears, finally, they waited!
            Well done Su-24, keep it up!
          3. Voltsky 21 February 2020 15: 25 New
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            Quote: alexmach
            I mean can’t lead? Yes, they are completely and completely dependent on the Turks. Starting from the supply of weapons, ammunition, food in the end, and ending with families in refugee camps. And the Turkish troops around. If not for Turkey, they would have been there a long time ago.

            Dad tell us about the control completely dependent on you :) Erdogan, he can only download his rights exactly 5 minutes before sending them presents :) And then thanks for the help, we will see what we can do for you.
            1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 01: 59 New
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              Quote: Voletsky
              Quote: alexmach
              I mean can’t lead? Yes, they are completely and completely dependent on the Turks. Starting from the supply of weapons, ammunition, food in the end, and ending with families in refugee camps. And the Turkish troops around. If not for Turkey, they would have been there a long time ago.

              Dad tell us about the control completely dependent on you :) Erdogan, he can only download his rights exactly 5 minutes before sending them presents :) And then thanks for the help, we will see what we can do for you.

              finally he dumped in tribaltosia from Russia !!! wassat
              1. Voltsky 22 February 2020 04: 13 New
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                I will say even more, he went on the offensive and you will have to pay off him, because there is no way to keep tension on all fronts :)
                1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 05: 32 New
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                  Quote: Voletsky
                  he went on the offensive

                  again rogues from Russia require ?? belay
                  1. Voltsky 22 February 2020 12: 46 New
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                    if not a duck, then threatens sanctions against Belaes
        2. nznz 21 February 2020 18: 05 New
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          enough proto to the Turks to leave, and all e. Why lead? The Syrians will distribute the chantrap with the support of the Russian Federation into the dust. Brave wad when someone with them, someone supports them.
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        4. ROSS_51 22 February 2020 01: 19 New
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          Quote: Pecheneg
          It’s quite a logical judgment, the Sultan has no opportunity to lead the barmaley, he can’t persuade them either, but please substitute them like cannon fodder. No barmaley, no problem.

          The Turks simply want to rake the heat with the wrong hands. Drive them ahead of you, supporting them with fire, supplying weapons and ammunition, and calmly occupy territories, creating a continuous line of defense with which you can’t move them anymore (they somehow didn’t succeed with the roadblocks).
          And here Russia threw barmaleys into the ground with the stupoviks like “who didn’t hide, I’m not to blame”, and even nailed the facts of direct cooperation of the Turks with the barmales. Oops-s.
          1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 01 New
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            Quote: ROSS_51
            And here Russia threw barmaleys into the ground with the stupoviks like “who didn’t hide, I’m not to blame”, and even nailed the facts of direct cooperation of the Turks with the barmales. Oops-s.

            the main thing is for our guys so that no one knocks them !!! am
      2. Chaldon48 21 February 2020 09: 05 New
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        I don’t think Turkey needs barmolei as cannon fodder, so they will try to at least partially preserve
        1. Mikhail3 21 February 2020 09: 12 New
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          If the operation fails (and it fails), then Turkey’s barmalei are not just not needed, but very dangerous. If the war in Syria ends, where to put them? The animators in the hotels from them will not be very ... as if they didn’t hire Ocalan’s guys, or simply didn’t break banks with jewelry. So to kill this foam with the hands of the Syrians is a visionary move.
          1. Alex Russia 21 February 2020 11: 27 New
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            Quote: Mikhail3
            If the operation fails (and it fails), then Turkey’s barmalei are not just not needed, but very dangerous. If the war in Syria ends, where to put them? The animators in the hotels from them will not be very ... as if they didn’t hire Ocalan’s guys, or simply didn’t break banks with jewelry. So to kill this foam with the hands of the Syrians is a visionary move.

            It is known where, in the Caucasus, there are many places in Russia that Turkey has laid eyes on, these same barmaley fought once in Chechnya, then were cooled and treated in Turkish sanatoriums, some of them transported Turkey to Syria, or you already forgot how our media regarding recently, together with the General Staff of Russia, these muddy Turkish schemes were so violently exposed
            1. Mikhail3 21 February 2020 12: 39 New
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              Not 90th years. Now Erdogan and in Syria then get up to speed, and for the transfer of militants to us ...
              1. Vlad5307 21 February 2020 19: 33 New
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                Yes, no agreements with Moscow will prevent him from transporting barmaleis to the Caucasus, where there is already a territory with a large population of Turks.
            2. carstorm 11 21 February 2020 16: 55 New
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              in the Caucasus they have learned to utilize them very well. all these schemes at this time will hardly surprise or scare anyone
        2. Kurare 21 February 2020 11: 14 New
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          Quote: Chaldon48
          I don’t think Turkey needs barmolei as cannon fodder, so they will try to at least partially preserve

          Having such "proxies", and even on an ideological level, is a huge plus for Turkey. They can not be used simply as cannon fodder, because they can suddenly flop into the back.

          Such barmalei are very necessary for Turkey. Do not forget about a very serious conflict with the Kurds.
        3. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 04 New
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          Quote: Chaldon48
          I don’t think Turkey needs barmolei as cannon fodder, so they will try to at least partially preserve

          do not assume that Baramalei is the quintessence of the Turkish Sultan ??? what
      3. Alex Russia 21 February 2020 11: 14 New
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        Quote: Hagalaz
        Naturally, I do not pretend to be absolutely right, and I myself am not sure, but as an assumption. Or maybe Glavturok in this way utilizes barmaley whom they are not able to completely control? And who is the smut and for himself?

        Of course, he will utilize them, for this purpose Turkey will transfer armored vehicles to Syria and military units in such quantities, and will iron the Syrian army with shelling. Continue to think this way further, maybe when the Turks get to Damascus and utilize Assad with Russian military bases, these illusions will finally end.
        1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 10 New
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          Quote: Alex Russia
          utilize Assad with Russian military bases,

          here swallow !!! soldier
        2. gsev 22 February 2020 21: 24 New
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          Quote: Alex Russia
          utilize Assad with Russian military bases,

          So Turkey can run into a nuclear war.
      4. novobranets 21 February 2020 11: 53 New
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        Quote: Hagalaz
        Or maybe Glavturok in this way utilizes barmaley

        The idea itself is a good one, but why should Grosstrook recycle its soldiers? After all, according to what is written
        At the same time, Turkish troops first openly fought shoulder to shoulder with the militants.
        under the distribution will fall all accomplices indiscriminately.
      5. Python 57 21 February 2020 14: 42 New
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        Well, no ... he needs them alive! Both in Syria and in Libya! These are for you Barmaley, and for him the soldiers of Allah! Like himself!
        1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 11 New
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          Like himself!

          the result will be sad ... they are wrapped the mustachioed in pork skin and how they will bury it as an unidentified !!! good
      6. Voltsky 21 February 2020 15: 36 New
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        Quote: Hagalaz
        Naturally, I do not pretend to be absolutely right, and I myself am not sure, but as an assumption. Or maybe Glavturok in this way utilizes barmaley whom they are not able to completely control? And who is the smut and for himself?

        unlikely, unless of course their suicidal attempts become a habit; then you are right, well, or the poor-minded are planning.
        It’s just that now everything is going to make the Turks either leave or throw some bone to them with alienation of territory, which is unlikely. Therefore, he needs leverage over Syria in the future; and if he sends in an impudent shredder, albeit poorly controlled, but still relative to his barmaley. There is an option that you will have to forget about your presence in the north of Syria, or that it is more likely to be very weakened.
        But we must remember that it is impossible to let the barmaleis into Turkey, and it is advisable that most of them reunite with their families, that in Turkey they are waiting for them in the camps; exclusively in the possessions of Allah.
      7. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 01: 52 New
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        Quote: Hagalaz
        Naturally, I do not pretend to be absolutely right, and I myself am not sure, but as an assumption. Or maybe Glavturok in this way utilizes barmaley whom they are not able to completely control? And who is the smut and for himself?

        let him take them to his home and recycle there !!! am
      8. Alex Nevs 22 February 2020 18: 38 New
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        Do you think that in the Donbass ukrovoenov are being kept just like that? Excitement must be contained, but where? Of course in war. If it is not, THINK !!! Otherwise, this evil and hungry disorder can turn to the root.
    2. Alex Nevs 21 February 2020 10: 05 New
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      NATA probed and will probe the Russian Federation for determination.
      1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 13 New
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        Quote: Alex Nevs
        NATA probed and will probe the Russian Federation for determination.

        felt already in 2008 !!!
        1. Alex Nevs 22 February 2020 08: 41 New
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          Yes, and DONBASS.
  2. 32363 21 February 2020 01: 55 New
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    Si vis pacem, bellum for
    1. Sharky 21 February 2020 02: 01 New
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      Si vis pacem, bellum for

      You can in Russian? You violate the general rules on the site:
      f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to the published articles is Russian.
      1. Far B 21 February 2020 02: 32 New
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        Various "Sé la vie", "Same mange na sis jour", other similar sayings - also forbid?
        Si vis pacem, bellum for
        - famous Roman proverb, "If you want peace, prepare for war."
        1. Sharky 21 February 2020 04: 01 New
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          Various "Sé la vie", "Same mange na sis jour", other similar sayings - also forbid?

          Yes, according to the rules of the forum, which, mind you, I did not come up with.
          I have nothing against foreign statements if they are submitted with a translation. I don’t communicate in English here, although I know him perfectly.
          1. Far B 21 February 2020 04: 44 New
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            You, sorry, confuse communication as a wholeand use well-known foreign phrases and words in the context of communication, as a particular. By the way, the word "context" is also Latin. Prohibit?
          2. pmkemcity 21 February 2020 05: 24 New
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            Si vis pacem, para bellum is not a "foreign utterance." Abroad they don’t say that.
            1. fk7777777 21 February 2020 07: 56 New
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              And since there, as I understand it, Google, the ancient Roman does not understand, .... But it’s not funny, it’s really scary ...
          3. fk7777777 21 February 2020 07: 40 New
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            This is not English, ha ha ha ha ...
            1. AU Ivanov. 22 February 2020 21: 36 New
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              Lingua latina non penis canina.
              I will not translate. Banned.
              1. alaarsen 23 February 2020 20: 06 New
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                I even understood the translation without knowledge of Latin)))
          4. fk7777777 21 February 2020 07: 43 New
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            And according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, we are a lot of national country, where there are many different languages, but I will tell you a respected secret, there is no English among them. And Richelieu, by the way, built the city in the Russian Empire, that's it.
          5. Voyager 21 February 2020 09: 18 New
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            Have you ever heard what erudition is? Try a useful thing in the household.
          6. Normal 21 February 2020 16: 55 New
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            And what was all this about? ) Shine with your mind? Or tell comrades how perfectly you know English?) Well, you’re good and, most importantly, answered, and so much that many people liked it, very many, I judge by approval with a + sign)
            1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 14 New
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              Quote: Normal
              And what was all this about? ) Shine with your mind? Or tell comrades how perfectly you know English?) Well, you’re good and, most importantly, answered, and so much that many people liked it, very many, I judge by approval with a + sign)

              here plus for ideological reasons !! wink
        2. DenZ 21 February 2020 10: 01 New
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          You wrote in Russian why it wasn’t immediately done to those whom you protect?
          1. Voyager 21 February 2020 13: 00 New
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            Translation begins where the dictionary ends.

            Foreign winged phrases, aphorisms of proverbs and other similar things are often written in the original for the reason that their translation is ungrateful: sometimes it is simply impossible to choose the correct translation.
            But in this case we are talking more about the fact that this winged expression is very famous. If a person does not know this motto of many military organizations and schools, it would be more reasonable for him to add knowledge than to refer to the forum rules with a military theme.
            1. Normal 21 February 2020 16: 56 New
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              Well said!
            2. nznz 21 February 2020 18: 11 New
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              another attempt by a foreign forum member (I don’t know how to translate it in English) to pull the blanket over yourself. Remember the film Toy, the bombs came and pulled the table to him :)). And here the table is oak, just don’t pull it up .. ridiculous blackmail, say everything in Russian, I don’t speak English, for heaven’s sake will they talk to you?
      2. Angelo Provolone 21 February 2020 02: 36 New
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        Parabellum man wants. why not understand?
        1. g1washntwn 21 February 2020 07: 35 New
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          And now for our listeners a song will sound to the words of Bulat Okudzhava "9 Grams of heart, wait a minute, don't call."
          Regarding the comment, consisting of one foreign language phrase, I already caught a ban. Here, as I see it, the administrators have a strange selectivity, but it’s their territory and they choose to put a candle to the left or right.
          Regarding the context, it is also necessary to apply carefully, otherwise it will turn out like in a joke:
          "In the Latin exam, Ivan Ivanov accidentally called the devil."
          1. fk7777777 21 February 2020 07: 49 New
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            Ha, ha, ha, unfortunately it's true. I am still waiting for the economic justification of the economic situation in the regions and the country according to an article from admins. And then expressed their opinion, and how to answer so in the bushes.
            1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 16 New
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              Quote: fk7777777
              Ha, ha, ha, unfortunately it's true. I am still waiting for the economic justification of the economic situation in the regions and the country according to an article from admins. And then expressed their opinion, and how to answer so in the bushes.

              in principle, it’s not economists who write articles on economics .. but you would also tighten your knowledge of Russian !!! lol lol
        2. tech3030 21 February 2020 17: 09 New
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          Or maybe five hundred rubles !?
      3. East Kazakhstan 21 February 2020 07: 46 New
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        Why? No need to set your own rules. Latin is as old as the world.
        1. Yves762 21 February 2020 08: 08 New
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          Quote: East Kazakhstan
          Latin is as old as the world.


          You know, but the "old woman" is more alive than all the living ... repeat
      4. Cutter 21 February 2020 07: 52 New
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        He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector

        And in the Soviet Union, Americans served ??????? Something did not meet ....
      5. Tank hard 21 February 2020 08: 37 New
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        Quote: Sharky
        You can in Russian? You violate the general rules on the site:

        A masterpiece! laughing
      6. smart ass 21 February 2020 11: 04 New
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        Ahaa understandable person level
      7. Galleon 21 February 2020 13: 46 New
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        You can in Russian? You violate the general rules on the site:
        f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to the published articles is Russian.

        And that says a person posing as Sharky (Supreme leader) ?? belay Surprised))
      8. lukewarm 21 February 2020 15: 16 New
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        Well this is kind of like a quote. A common phrase in Latin. Therefore, the requirements of the site, IMHO, does not apply. The main text was as expected smile
    2. Chaldon48 21 February 2020 09: 06 New
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      Si vis pacem, para pacem.
  3. Sharky 21 February 2020 01: 58 New
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    We must pay tribute to Scott Ritter. Fairly logical and truthful analysis. You rarely hear this from an American expert.
    1. bessmertniy 21 February 2020 02: 26 New
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      This comment - yes to Erdogan would be in the ears! what
      1. Sharky 21 February 2020 04: 07 New
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        I don’t think he will listen to him unfortunately.
      2. Nikolai Grek 21 February 2020 04: 46 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        This comment - yes to Erdogan would be in the ears! what

        this comment doesn’t help him in the ears ... he can’t help him how many of his Turkish terrorist occupiers will fall on Syrian soil !!! request laughing
        1. bessmertniy 21 February 2020 05: 43 New
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          The Americans, when they entered Vietnam, were also worried about how many of them would die there. And then we were convinced that we needed to get out. hi
          1. Nikolai Grek 21 February 2020 05: 53 New
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            Quote: bessmertniy
            The Americans, when they entered Vietnam, were also worried about how many of them would die there. And then we were convinced that we needed to get out. hi

            right now they side, how many soldiers are dying !!! request wassat they are removed from somewhere for other reasons !!! laughing
            1. Essex62 21 February 2020 07: 59 New
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              The United States Army had to get out of Vietnam precisely because of the powerful anti-war rise in the States. On the verge of a great riot was a country. Masons considered the stability of the platform of cut, green paper important. Resources, drive the Vietnamese into the Stone Age, they have enough for decades.
              1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 00: 12 New
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                Quote: Essex62
                The United States Army had to get out of Vietnam precisely because of the powerful anti-war rise in the States.

                got out of there because of financial costs and inability to achieve more or less acceptable results !!! wink Do you sincerely believe that they care about the losses of their worthless soldiers? !!! what laughing laughing if necessary, they will suppress the anti-war rise, and any riots, and everything that they don’t like !!! lol
                1. Essex62 25 February 2020 10: 53 New
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                  Masons in the war only profited, losses and the inability to achieve a result worried them a little. They didn’t care at all. A gathering of descendants of adventurers, blacks, fugitives from Soviet power and traitors to the motherland of various nationalities, called the USA, for them is just a printing press platform and an instrument for planting the product of this machine around the world. These are not even kings and emperors ... For those, their own country.
                  Almost 10 years of the war weakened the society of the States so that there was no one to extinguish. What does concern for the life of consumables? The masters of the world were afraid, the example of Russia showed that everything is possible.
                  1. Nikolai Grek 25 February 2020 17: 58 New
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                    Quote: Essex62
                    Masons in the war only profited, losses and the inability to achieve a result worried them a little. They didn’t care at all. A gathering of descendants of adventurers, blacks, fugitives from Soviet power and traitors to the motherland of various nationalities, called the USA, for them is just a printing press platform and an instrument for planting the product of this machine around the world. These are not even kings and emperors ... For those, their own country.
                    Almost 10 years of the war weakened the society of the States so that there was no one to extinguish. What does concern for the life of consumables? The masters of the world were afraid, the example of Russia showed that everything is possible.

                    what I wrote about this to you, and you told me about "... The US Army had to get out of Vietnam precisely because of the powerful anti-war rise in the States ...." !! wassat lol
                    1. Essex62 26 February 2020 11: 36 New
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                      No way, Comrade Marshal. You wrote that losses are not acceptable and the result is problematic. And I, the resources, in the presence of a printing press, without limitations, for a hundred years of war, there will be enough Negroes, in the world, not measured. With flyers it’s more difficult, but with free money, you can train and replenish for a hundred years. Rather, a failure could have occurred in our country, the rubles, to help Vietnam, were pulled out of the social sphere, and this is sacred for the Soviet government. It was the revolution of the Masons who were afraid, the loss of the platform. I had to move back to the metropolis, troublesome and crowded. Strategicheskoe advantage-crap from a pool of bale.
                      1. Nikolai Grek 26 February 2020 18: 49 New
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                        Quote: Essex62
                        No way, Comrade Marshal.

                        army General!!!
                        Quote: Essex62
                        You wrote that losses are not acceptable

                        what I wrote that they finally can side how many their salabons will die !! fool wassat You see, you either do not read the answers to you, or you cannot master them !!! request lol
                      2. Essex62 28 February 2020 12: 20 New
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                        Yes, even the generalissimo!
                        You persist, translating arrows. The key disagreement is not the mismatch of the Masons, regarding the losses. This is just the consensus. But mothers in the States did not care. The anti-war movement has gained serious momentum and could have grown into a more serious, for Masons, byaka. They would have crushed, no - the question. In a society saturated with weapons to the very top, considering themselves “free” citizens, with the right agitation ... At that time, PSU didn’t send people for jeans, as liberoids rubbed youth from the 90s to work.
                        I don’t need to impose my opinion, my own “to the eyeballs”. We close the dialogue about nothing. Learn to respect your opponent. Hang on your own emoticons, obscene general.
        2. fk7777777 21 February 2020 07: 51 New
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          Well, get out, then they began for real, when during the day 31 strategists lost from air defense ...
          1. Essex62 26 February 2020 11: 51 New
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            For the whole next week after that, as it leaked, at that time it was possible to close the mouths of the magazines, all the pin (-dsiya stood on my ears. There was a chance for the Office to unwind. Oh, it would be nice to stir up a flower in the viper itself! It didn’t happen, alas .
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    because retired ..
  • Fedor Sokolov 21 February 2020 02: 02 New
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    I believe the Turks will not cross the red line, but will demonstrate the seriousness of their intentions.
    1. bessmertniy 21 February 2020 02: 32 New
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      Erdogan needs to be given the opportunity to beautifully leave Syria - without loss to his pride. And without losses, he will be able to leave if the Turks do not get involved in military operations and slowly move back from Idlib to Turkey.
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        And without losses, he will be able to leave if the Turks do not get involved in military operations and slowly move back from Idlib to Turkey.

        But the sediment will still remain. Like the question. Why did they enter Syria?
        It was necessary to leave beautifully earlier. Now the Turks just need to leave.
        1. g1washntwn 21 February 2020 07: 38 New
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          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          It was necessary to leave beautifully earlier.

          Or maybe you shouldn’t have come if you weren’t called?
      2. Oquzyurd 21 February 2020 14: 13 New
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        They will not leave, not for what they don’t want. They will not leave, because about 3,5-4 million refugees are standing at the gates of Turkey, the same number are already in Turkey. At least because of this factor, the Turks will keep some kind of part of Syria is under control in order to keep Syrian refugees in Syrian territories and not let them into Turkey. Syria has come to Turkey as a population. At least 7 million Syrians see a rescuer in Turkey, cling to this country, hope that they will protect them. , still taking into account the population of Afrin, El-Bab and other towns, half the population of all of Syria.
        1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 21 New
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          They will not leave, not for what they do not want. They will not leave, because about 3,5-4 million refugees are standing at the gates of Turkey, the same number is already in Turkey.

          is not it easier to establish a normal life there ????
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          , 7 million Syrians see rescuer in Turkey

          is it you there in Turkey pouring ears ??? laughing
          you still do not understand that in addition to your hangers-on, the rest of you in Syria hate you ???? fool in vain ours do not help Turkish Kurds fight for their independence !!! negative wink
  • Mountain shooter 21 February 2020 02: 02 New
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    This is the role of modern aviation in low-intensity conflicts. During WWII, a squadron of attack aircraft or "pieces" could bring down 6-8 tons of bombs on the enemy. And now a couple of Dryers - twice, three times more. Yes, and with greater accuracy ... So the Turks, having checked the determination of Moscow - in theory, should quietly crawl into their territory. After that, Idlib is "cleansing up" ... And at full height the question arises of the east coast and US troops.
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      Well, do not forget about the Kurdish Afrin, who must also remain within the borders of Syria, not Turkey. hi
    2. Essex62 21 February 2020 08: 03 New
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      And this question will stand forever. The mattresses won’t leave; there’s nothing to kick Assad with. And there will be no air support.
      1. Mountain shooter 21 February 2020 08: 15 New
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        Quote: Essex62
        And this question will stand forever. The mattresses won’t leave; there’s nothing to kick Assad with. And there will be no air support.

        So no one will attack them ... Blocking will begin, mining of roads, mortar shelling of bases, attacks of Drones from plywood and sticks ... but with explosives on board ...
        1. Essex62 21 February 2020 08: 28 New
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          We are familiar with such a scenario in Afghanistan. No plywood drones only. Not convenient, troublesome but solvable. Assad needs to restore a peaceful life. Raise the country, otherwise why all this mess, for the sake of personal power?
          1. Mountain shooter 21 February 2020 08: 33 New
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            Quote: Essex62
            We are familiar with such a scenario in Afghanistan. No plywood drones only. Not convenient, troublesome but solvable.

            This is for us to decide ... And when will the drones blow up oil wells? What actions can be expected from striatum? I suppose they will spit and curtail their presence ... And Iraq? It will also slowly "burn" ...
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              You can’t do much damage to such partisanism, and beneficiaries from foreign oil will not be reckoned with losses. The military signed a contract.
      2. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 23 New
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        Quote: Essex62
        And this question will stand forever. The mattresses won’t leave; there’s nothing to kick Assad with. And there will be no air support.

        SchA will pull the Turks a little and your patrons of Amer will also flinch !!! wink
        1. Essex62 25 February 2020 10: 57 New
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          What are you talking about and to whom?
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      It is obvious that the Turkish units in Idlib were inflated with heavy armored vehicles - the number of M60T and Leopard 2A4 tanks clearly exceeds 100 units. You think Erdogan will be able to quickly withdraw them. Only accompanied by the Russian military police
      1. Rzzz 21 February 2020 22: 53 New
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        And what to bring them out for a long time. The command was given, by car, to the household, the headquarters and the service staff in trucks, and at a speed of 60 km / h, the convoy headed towards the border.
  • Etsma 21 February 2020 02: 15 New
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    I never understood why we should be afraid of a conflict with Turkey, and not vice versa. They were given 30 km. along the border. Be content. Although this time they did not surrender the allies.
    1. orionvitt 21 February 2020 02: 49 New
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      Quote: etsma
      I never understood why we should be afraid of a conflict with Turkey, and not vice versa.

      As the ancient sages said, "A wolf is not afraid of a dog; he simply does not like it when it barks." So no one is afraid of Turkey, just do not want war .. They (Turks) must remember that Russia is a nuclear power, as well as what is written in the "Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation." However, they are always raked from Russia. At least the last 300 years.
      1. dauria 21 February 2020 03: 33 New
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        They (Turks) must remember that Russia is a nuclear power,


        Hmm ... Let's say Erdogan will be enraged (for example, I don’t know how our diplomats hold him. This is their victory, not the military’s). He will be whitened and create a real line of defense. Turkish land with air defense and aviation, with reserves for maneuver. And get up tight with a harsh ultimatum - "climb, we'll see." What will we break through without air supremacy? There are few hopes for the Syrians - it hurts too quickly to roll back without aviation. His infantry there, or immediately around Istanbul with a nuclear bomb?
        1. Grits 21 February 2020 04: 38 New
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          Quote: dauria
          They (Turks) must remember that Russia is a nuclear power,


          Hmm ... Let's say Erdogan will be enraged (for example, I don’t know how our diplomats hold him. This is their victory, not the military’s). He will be whitened and create a real line of defense. Turkish land with air defense and aviation, with reserves for maneuver. And get up tight with a harsh ultimatum - "climb, we'll see." What will we break through without air supremacy? There are few hopes for the Syrians - it hurts too quickly to roll back without aviation. His infantry there, or immediately around Istanbul with a nuclear bomb?

          Yeah ... It's too early to rejoice and throw bonnets. This is just the beginning. Let's compare the forces.
          Those Turkish forces that are already in Idlib (about 7 thousand bayonets, more than 200 units of armored vehicles, artillery, MLRS, RKhBZ, air defense) are enough to roll up the SAA. It should be borne in mind that the Turks have great opportunities to quickly transfer and increase the group. Against which the Syrians will be small as children. The SAA practically had no business with the regular army, and lately, it fought only with barmel men on carts. Yes, and the available artillery, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles in this sector of the front are less than that of the Turks. In fact, there is one combat-ready (conditionally) division. Which in the case of a large shecher will immediately run.
          Plus, the Turks in power - meat. a bunch of barmalei armed with Turks and Turkish technology. The combat qualities are not worse than the Syrian army. Well, albeit somewhat weaker., However, not a fact. Russian armored vehicles with our tankers and ground forces are not there. These would keep ...
          Now about aviation. While our aviation rules there and holds the sky. Therefore, the Syrians held their positions only thanks to our flyers. But the question is - for how long? If Turkey uses its aviation, then our dominance will quickly cease. Nothing prevents them from starting to fly over Idlib. And they have more F-16s on their territory than ours in Hmeimim.
          So the situation is not very rosy.
          1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 31 New
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            Quote: Gritsa
            Yeah ... It's too early to rejoice and throw bonnets.

            Are you a type of realist ??? in a military conflict for whom will be ??? wink
            1. Grits 22 February 2020 10: 09 New
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              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Are you a type of realist ???

              Well, yes.
        2. Nikolai Grek 21 February 2020 04: 56 New
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          Quote: dauria
          What will we break through without air supremacy?

          finally, half of Turkey is shot through from Russia !! wink soldier but you can have one nuclear in Istanbul !! wassat
          Quote: dauria
          He will be whitened and create a real line of defense. Turkish land with air defense and aviation, with reserves for maneuver. And get up tight with a harsh ultimatum - "climb, we'll see."

          tady some kind of coup d'etat will happen to him !!! wink or he accidentally slip to his palace to death !!! lol good
        3. orionvitt 21 February 2020 13: 10 New
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          Quote: dauria
          or immediately around Istanbul with a nuclear bomb?

          First, turn off the gas., Including the one that comes from Azerbaijan. With tourists from Russia, as I understand it, in the new season, it will be worse (you need to be the last mutt to go on vacation to a country that puts ultimatums to Russia). Again, the notorious tomatoes, laughing and further down the list. Turkey has many vulnerabilities that have not yet been affected. And in Turkey itself, far from everything is going smoothly. Again, the Kurdish card has not yet been played. Yes, a lot of opportunities.
          1. dauria 21 February 2020 13: 58 New
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            First, turn off the gas., Including the one that comes from Azerbaijan. With tourists from Russia, as I understand it ..,


            Yes it's good. This is from the combat manual for the preparation and conduct of land combat, part 3?
            1. orionvitt 21 February 2020 14: 09 New
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              No, I’m just reasoning. As a layman. In fact, far from stupid people there, they will decide without us. Our task, if we cannot help ours, then just do not interfere.
              1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 01: 37 New
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                Quote: orionvitt
                Our task, if we cannot help ours, then just do not interfere.

                if you’re in vain ... they have the task here of yelling about ffsepropalo, they say, we are wiping ourselves off ... if ours are hit, then yelling about "how can this be" !!! laughing laughing laughing in martial law, we will send such to the most difficult work !!! lol
            2. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 01: 34 New
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              Quote: dauria
              First, turn off the gas., Including the one that comes from Azerbaijan. With tourists from Russia, as I understand it ..,


              Yes it's good. This is from the combat manual for the preparation and conduct of land combat, part 3?

              do you expect in modern times a war according to the charter ??? wassat I dare to suggest that with a serious batch, part of Turkey will be destroyed by a small contingent of strategic missile forces without going beyond its borders beyond 200 km !!! soldier and then ... the destruction of the chain of those who will be excited about the destruction of Turkey !!! wink laughing
      2. Ross xnumx 21 February 2020 03: 58 New
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        Quote: orionvitt
        As the ancient sages said "Wolf A bear is not afraid of a dog; he simply does not like it when it barks. "

        good
        Quote: orionvitt
        So no one is afraid of Turkey, just do not want war ..

        good good
        1. pmkemcity 21 February 2020 05: 35 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42

          Quote: orionvitt
          As the ancient sages said, "The Wolf Bear is not afraid of a dog, he just does not like it when it barks."

          Anything happens:

          Botanists say that wild boars can also take prey from wolves. So what - who in the world of all is stronger, and blush and tastier?
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            Quote: pmkemcity
            Quote: ROSS 42

            Quote: orionvitt
            As the ancient sages said, "The Wolf Bear is not afraid of a dog, he just does not like it when it barks."

            Anything happens:

            Botanists say that wild boars can also take prey from wolves. So what - who in the world of all is stronger, and blush and tastier?

            Firstly, in the video, not a bear, but a teddy bear (pestoon) would be a bear, he tore such a pack on the bill!
    2. lukewarm 21 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: etsma
      I never understood why we should be afraid of a conflict with Turkey, and not vice versa.

      Do not be afraid, but be afraid. We have there in fact a small expeditionary force, supplied by air and through the Bosphorus (Turkish). Turkey has a common border with Syria and the largest army (or almost the largest, I do not remember exactly) in NATO. You can’t get much in such a distance. And the point is not so much in the Bosphorus, which the Turks cannot legally block, but in the absence of a transport fleet.
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        Quote: unwillingly
        Do not be afraid, but be afraid.

        what for?? let them fear !!! request
  • iRoccka 21 February 2020 02: 18 New
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    Quote: Sharky
    Si vis pacem, bellum for

    You can in Russian? You violate the general rules on the site:
    f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to the published articles is Russian.


    “If you want peace, prepare for war”) is a Latin winged expression, attributed to the Roman historian Cornelius Nepot
  • Sarkazm 21 February 2020 03: 12 New
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    Quote: McLarenFly
    ... But what about the supposedly "second strongest NATO army", which is afraid to even use its aircraft in a local conflict winked
    And if you use it? ... God forbid, of course, but so far everything is going to this.
    Assad and Co. are not only cleansing Syria from the militants, but they are also changing the picture by suppressing the Sunni majority, which in principle rebelled against Assad. If there is no place for the Sunni majority in Syria, this means that 1,2-1,5 million more will be added to the existing refugees in Turkey. at least, they are pressed exactly to their border and will not go to other neighboring countries.
    The Turks will not put up with this, and who needs such happiness, especially since Assad, whom they cannot tolerate, will solve their problems at their expense ...

    Well, if you manage, "everyone will save face" and so on, everything will be limited to support from the Turks with artillery fire, and from our side, air strikes. And if the Turks still go to the escalation of the conflict and deploy their troops? ... IMHO, there ... the opa will be complete.
    Until the end of February, the term allotted to Assad by the Turks, there was a week left, following the results of either inhale or exhale. While there is no reason to triumphantly knock on the drums.
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      Quote: Sarkazm
      Turks will not put up with this,

      but there was nothing to arrange a civil war in Syria !!! all of you are interesting ... at first arrange almost complete devastation, and then complain !!! am I sincerely wish you the esteemed Turkey the state that is now in Syria ... his Turkey has earned in full !!! good
      1. Essex62 21 February 2020 08: 14 New
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        And with a big mix with the Turks, is a big patriotic rise expected here? Oh doubtful.
        1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 00: 18 New
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          Quote: Essex62
          And we have

          on the echo of Moscow or something ??? wassat lol
          Quote: Essex62
          Oh doubtful.

          yes ... you will obviously not move the draft board !! lol lol
        2. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 00: 22 New
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          Quote: Essex62
          But with us, with a big batch with the Turks, is a big patriotic rise expected?

          PS ... interesting, but what kind of reaction of Russian society do you expect ?? !!! what fool
          out of 147 lyam inhabitants, if at least 5% (in addition to the already existing military resources) turn out to be not such courageous all-crawlers as you and many here, then we will first bend the Turks and the like, and then you will have to answer !!! lol
  • Retvizan 8 21 February 2020 03: 30 New
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    What positive things I see in the events that have taken place is that Erdogan was made clear that Russia does not bluff in this matter and takes serious steps, this is one, but two, that the Syrian military saw that they had not been merged, and that a strong ally really supported it would give confidence and will raise morale.
    Now another question is how much Erdogan is ready to answer for his "bazaar", because in order to really confront the Syrians and our VKS, you need to connect the serious forces of the Turkish Air Force and Air Defense ???
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      As I understand it, Erdogan was made clear both in Moscow and Washington that it would be nice to restrain his ambitions. That he doesn’t decide everything here.
      But he did not believe. He climbed with bare ass to establish his own orders. I created problems for people.
      It’s not even a matter of the fact that now the VKS will have to be fully applied in Idlib, but how now the whole Sultan of unfinished shit will have to be pulled out by the whole World so that Ankara’s reputation does not suffer much after such a failure.
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        Quote: kit88
        so that Ankara’s reputation does not suffer much after such a failure.

        or maybe her ??? what maybe let him suffer ?? !!! lol
      2. Kurare 21 February 2020 11: 24 New
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        ... this sultan unfinished from all this shit will have to be pulled out by the whole World,

        Americans and Europeans are sleeping and see how to drive Erdogan deeper into the mud! Nobody, except Russia, will pull it out, and it cannot. But here he ruined! Erdogan, it seems, has already quarreled with everyone. If he does not understand this, then he will "correct the hunchbacked grave."
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    Trend: as soon as they retire, they sharply grow wiser and begin to soberly reason, saying quite obvious things. Summary: all NATO generals need to be fired / retired and ... there will definitely not be a war!
  • rotmistr60 21 February 2020 05: 14 New
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    Turkey aggravated the situation almost to the level of direct Turkish-Russian confrontation
    Notice this says an American former intelligence officer. Without a bluff, it directly indicates the culprit in the aggravation of the situation. Well, what about Erdogan? Checked the reaction of Russia to their arrogant actions? But in the last negotiations, our side gave him a chance to get out of this situation without losing his face. But arrogance and ambition did the trick. Let's see how events will develop further.
  • rocket757 21 February 2020 05: 24 New
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    Recycling barmaley that Turkey does not need on its territory? Why not?
    1. Nikolai Grek 21 February 2020 06: 20 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Why not?

      because innocent civilians and the Syrian military are dying !!! am let the mustachioed take them to Turkey, and there the people already suffer from them, Nooooo ??? request wassat
      1. rocket757 21 February 2020 07: 17 New
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        because innocent civilians and the Syrian military are dying !!!

        I do not even consider this aspect, everything is obvious and it is necessary to show the score to the greyhound “Sultan”!
        An assumption has been made that it would be useful to evaluate the actions of the Turkish authorities ... in addition to trying to squeeze someone else's territory, as a minimum, disposing of uncomfortable / unnecessary "elements" in someone else's territory.
        Well, we don’t know for sure what “Sultan” wants ... and for the sake of fulfilling their plans, any politicians are ready to sacrifice their .... resources. Maybe, in his understanding \ Wishlist, the game is worth the candle ???
        1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 00: 04 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          because innocent civilians and the Syrian military are dying !!!

          I do not even consider this aspect, everything is obvious and it is necessary to show the score to the greyhound “Sultan”!
          An assumption has been made that it would be useful to evaluate the actions of the Turkish authorities ... in addition to trying to squeeze someone else's territory, as a minimum, disposing of uncomfortable / unnecessary "elements" in someone else's territory.
          Well, we don’t know for sure what “Sultan” wants ... and for the sake of fulfilling their plans, any politicians are ready to sacrifice their .... resources. Maybe, in his understanding \ Wishlist, the game is worth the candle ???

          I suggest that compatriots suffer from the mustache Wishlist !!! am not only that Turkey has nothing positive in their history ... so they also spoil the rest !! negative
          1. rocket757 22 February 2020 10: 57 New
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            Turkey, the former Ottoman Empire ... the usual eastern state. No worse and no better.
            The next ruler showed up with overstated ambitions ... but NOT HE, he arranged this mess in BV, he just wants to seize the opportunity, to fish in troubled waters!
            He is not the first, he is not the last.
            Our plans there went across each other, to each other, that’s the reason for the chutes.
            1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 21: 16 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              but NOT HE, this mess arranged on BV,

              partially disagree ... in Syria, this, along with the Euroamers, caused chaos !!! am climbs in Libya ... with the "Muslim brothers" kissing ... with the igil blinks !! am
  • Sasha_5 21 February 2020 05: 57 New
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    As if the Turkish air forces did not have enough opportunities, without clashing with the Russian vks, to smash the asadists on the ground, especially in the region where there is support from the population for the timely identification of punishers from the Damascus junta. The Nazis, who came to the peaceful land of the Idlib miners and peasants, will receive a worthy answer from the reproach, which has risen as one to protect the peaceful sky of Maloturtia. There will be a struggle whose nerves are stronger. But the people of the Idlib People’s Republic are ready to defend their right to self-determination.
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      Quote: Sasha_5
      As if the Turkish air forces did not have enough opportunities, without clashing with the Russian vks, to smash the asadists on the ground, especially in the region where there is support from the population for the timely identification of punishers from the Damascus junta. The Nazis, who came to the peaceful land of the Idlib miners and peasants, will receive a worthy answer from the reproach, which has risen as one to protect the peaceful sky of Maloturtia. There will be a struggle whose nerves are stronger. But the people of the Idlib People’s Republic are ready to defend their right to self-determination.

      what Do you have a chole tongue ??? recourse laughing laughing
      1. Tzar 21 February 2020 07: 33 New
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        It seems that he so wanted to make a joke about the Donbass, but instead he froze stupidity.
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          Quote: Tzar
          It seems that he so wanted to make a joke about the Donbass, but instead he froze stupidity.

          Well, if this is a stupid ragul, then he hardly needed a Google translator !!! wassat march on the speech of the "idlib oppositionist" or the Turkish Nazi !! request wink
    2. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 07: 40 New
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      Something like that ... it’s important to determine who is ours and not our watering .... but those who are hesitant can put on skirts and march “For Peace” through Paris or Amsterdam.
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    Yes, yesterday the spears were a little broken. And now, almost begun, the Turks supported the fire of the barmalei, our people flushed the barmalei with an aiation, before a direct half-step clash. And some, here, yesterday, peacekeeping. .
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    Quote: dauria
    They (Turks) must remember that Russia is a nuclear power,


    Hmm ... Let's say Erdogan will be enraged (for example, I don’t know how our diplomats are holding him. This is their victory, not the military’s). He will be whitened and create a real line of defense. Turkish land with air defense and aviation, with reserves for maneuver. And get up tight with a harsh ultimatum - "climb, we'll see." What will we break through without air supremacy? There are few hopes for the Syrians - it painfully quickly rolled back without aviation. His infantry there, or immediately around Istanbul with a nuclear bomb?


    You wrote beautifully about the Turkish land forces with air defense and aviation, reserves for maneuver.
    That's just the aircraft did not see much.
    But is she on another continent and should she be pulled up?
    Or are the reserves not located directly at the border?
    And the Turks are afraid of unacceptable damage.
    An even more serious defeat.
    After this, Turkey itself will stand, but under the Sultan the throne may collapse.
    And then they did not forget how Erdogan himself chopped the Turkish army under the nut?
    How many officers did he plant in the witch hunt?
    And this did not end in Turkey, but continues.
    This company was supposed to show the real state of the Turkish army, the quality and determination of its generals.
    Showed.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 40 New
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      After this, Turkey itself will stand,

      not a fact ... there are many Kurds !!! let them also begin to demand Turkish Kurdistan !!! laughing
  • Zaurbek 21 February 2020 07: 44 New
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    The main thing is that Force Majer would not happen with the Turkish Air Force, the base in Khmeimim is unlikely to be designed for a war with the Turkish Air Force, just as the logistics of the Russian group in Syria are not designed for this. And even with a base in Armenia, logistics is also not the best.
    1. Livonetc 21 February 2020 08: 14 New
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      This was asserted from the very beginning of the Russian Federation’s operation in Syria.
      And about logistics as well.
      Let them try.
      They do not try because they understand how many of their snouts will turn to dust.
      "Nvm is not needed on the Turkish coast; foreign land is not needed."
      But do not provoke Russia.
      Precedents were bad for those wishing to end.
      Turks know this better than many.
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        I am not saying that for the Turks this will be a good story .... But we also have few leverage there and the SAA itself is weak.
    2. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 41 New
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      The main thing is that Force Majer would not happen with the Turkish Air Force, the base in Khmeimim is unlikely to be designed for a war with the Turkish Air Force, just as the logistics of the Russian group in Syria are not designed for this. And even with a base in Armenia, logistics is also not the best.

      I already wrote that from the territory of Russia at least 1/3 of Turkey is shot through !!! and if herakhnik nuclear Iskander, thenooooooooooh ......... !!!! soldier
  • g1washntwn 21 February 2020 07: 49 New
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    Erdogan strategically does not have time to clear the territory of the Kurds. The onset of the ATS is the whole "silent genocide" and the eviction does not allow him to continue. In my opinion, the SAR and the Russian Federation simply passed this, and in the place of the Kurds, I would at least begin to glance at those who swore all help and even promised their own state. In general, it’s time for them to understand long ago that their Kurdistan promised by the Anglo-Saxons is as far from the emerging Israel as a real star from the crescent on the Turkish flags. And Turkey, if right now it’s not trying to jump into a jump and even if it doesn’t begin to portray the fight against terrorists, it will sit next to the list of recognized terrorist gangs.
    1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 08: 19 New
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      The Kurds will not be allowed to clean the Americans and, unlike Idlib, there are no loyal local Cossacks. And the territory is hard to keep. And the United States has adopted a $ 700 million Kurdish aid budget for next year.
      1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 44 New
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        Kurds will not be allowed to clean Americans

        come on??? amers their fighters sideways, where already there to the Kurds !!! laughing
  • Strashila 21 February 2020 08: 21 New
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    "At the same time, the Turkish troops for the first time openly fought shoulder to shoulder with the militants.", It is important in the Syrian minds to consolidate that the "Syrian opposition" = terrorists = Turkish occupiers.
  • Alsur 21 February 2020 08: 49 New
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    As if the Turkish air forces did not have enough opportunities, without clashing with the Russian vks, to smash the asadists on the ground, especially in the region where there is support from the population for the timely identification of punishers from the Damascus junta. The Nazis, who came to the peaceful land of the Idlib miners and peasants, will receive a worthy answer from the reproach, which has risen as one to protect the peaceful sky of Maloturtia. There will be a struggle whose nerves are stronger. But the people of the Idlib People’s Republic are ready to defend their right to self-determination.

    Some nonsense and not funny, besides. It is clear what situations you wanted to compare, but in my opinion they are very different. But if you are an independent party, you certainly have a different opinion.
  • SanSanych Gusev 21 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    Yes, and without the American military, everything is clear
  • Pavel57 21 February 2020 09: 52 New
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    "You can achieve with a good word and a gun more than just a good word"
  • Dmitry V. 21 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    Those. first, reconciliation experts convince them to evacuate to the Idlib enclave, and promise security. Barmaleys from various blocked enclaves were brought there.
    And then they begin to clean Idlib.
    Of course it is effective, only in the future, for such a divorce of the "conciliators", hardly anyone will buy it.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 46 New
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      Of course it is effective, only in the future, for such a divorce of the "conciliators", hardly anyone will buy it.

      and who will remain for such a divorce ??? laughing in our General Staff are not like you sitting !!! wink soldier
  • Kostadinov 21 February 2020 10: 57 New
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    The Turks on their television TRT announced that they were bombed by Syrian aircraft and she killed two soldiers. In response, they killed 50 Syrians. Then Minister of Defense Akar said he did not want a war with the Russians.
    Russian information beat that 4 Syrian soldiers were wounded and this is more likely to be true.
  • Kostadinov 21 February 2020 11: 12 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    The main thing is that Force Majer would not happen with the Turkish Air Force, the base in Khmeimim is unlikely to be designed for a war with the Turkish Air Force, just as the logistics of the Russian group in Syria are not designed for this. And even with a base in Armenia, logistics is also not the best.

    And you like the base in Egypt. Sisi and so does not have great love for Erdogan. In addition, the Syrians can be helped without aviation. It is enough to equip them with modern air defense, MLRS, Iskander in the required quantities. And the front in Idlib is small, it makes the offensive very difficult.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 02: 47 New
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The main thing is that Force Majer would not happen with the Turkish Air Force, the base in Khmeimim is unlikely to be designed for a war with the Turkish Air Force, just as the logistics of the Russian group in Syria are not designed for this. And even with a base in Armenia, logistics is also not the best.

      And you like the base in Egypt. Sisi and so does not have great love for Erdogan. In addition, the Syrians can be helped without aviation. It is enough to equip them with modern air defense, MLRS, Iskander in the required quantities. And the front in Idlib is small, it makes the offensive very difficult.

      they like Dots while naughty !! good
  • Alex Russia 21 February 2020 11: 23 New
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    If the operation fails (and it fails), then Turkey’s barmalei are not just not needed, but very dangerous. If the war in Syria ends, where to put them? The animators in the hotels from them will not be very ... as if they didn’t hire Ocalan’s guys, or simply didn’t break banks with jewelry. So to kill this foam with the hands of the Syrians is a visionary move.

    It is known where, in the Caucasus, there are many places in Russia that Turkey has laid eyes on, these same barmaley fought once in Chechnya, then were cooled and treated in Turkish sanatoriums, some of them transported Turkey to Syria, or you already forgot how our media regarding recently, together with the General Staff of Russia, these muddy Turkish schemes were so violently exposed
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      It is known where, in the Caucasus, there are many places in Russia that Turkey has laid eyes on,

      Hare rave !!! wink if the FSB delays the internal terrorist, then the external ones that you intend to throw will be eliminated without asking for the last name !! laughing
  • nikolaj1703 21 February 2020 11: 30 New
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    Whether we will fight with Turkey or not is a question. But ours will fly Turkey on vacation, despite the danger. Then there will be shouts: "Save, help!"
  • ABM
    ABM 21 February 2020 12: 15 New
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    Idlib People's Republic ready


    still goths
  • ABM
    ABM 21 February 2020 12: 17 New
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    Iskander


    so you can disrupt the holiday season;)
  • Evgeny Danilin 21 February 2020 14: 16 New
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    This must be done.
  • Sarkazm 21 February 2020 14: 24 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    The main thing is that Force Majer would not happen with the Turkish Air Force, the base in Khmeimim is unlikely to be designed for a war with the Turkish Air Force, just as the logistics of the Russian group in Syria are not designed for this. And even with a base in Armenia, logistics is also not the best.
    There, the group are the same hostages of any mistake of our masters, as in Khmeimim and Tartus. Any war without logistical support will end before it begins. Hmeimim depends on the Bosphorus, and in the event of a conflict with us, the Turks will block it, the very mention of the loss of the Turkish Armed Forces from the attacks of our Air Force is gradually setting the stage for this. The only route around the entire European continent - there are simply no opportunities for this (ships), and it's just ridiculous to discuss it.
    Georgians after Abkhazia and South Ossetia are filled with love for us.
    Remember Azerbaijan as a transit territory to supply the group in Armenia - you need to have a strong sense of humor.
    It remains the sea through the Caspian Sea, then dry through the Iran, but a narrow section of the border between Iran and Armenia lies between the two territories of Azerbaijan. And this route is the same as if you ride everything around Europe.

    In short, all this is simply "presence", but not "strength."
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      If the Bosphorus is blocked, it will be closed to everyone. This is war.
  • Antonio_Mariarti 21 February 2020 15: 06 New
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    Turkey became more and more dependent on Russia, especially because of South Stream 2. There will be none, I think, Turkey behaved more impudently.
  • Last centurion 21 February 2020 15: 45 New
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    it’s just the disposal of aggressive militants who should not return from the war anywhere. this meat will sometimes be thrown under bombs. then everyone will go home (and Turkey will walk the Kurds on the way back). everyone is happy
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    Of course, I am not a specialist, but in fact this is what happens: the so-called buffer zones and de-escalation zones in Idlib, under the influence of government troops, are steadily decreasing in area, and their borders are being pushed in the direction of Turkey. Despite the fact that these borders were established by Putin and Erdogan, and Turkish roadblocks along the perimeter of the zone are surrounded. This happens both in response to the constant sorties of the barmalei and their threats to Russian bases, and in the spirit of Assad's promise to clear the Syrian land of the invaders. In fact, our war is not by letter of agreement, but not to say nothing. So Erdogan, not by letter of agreement, retains that abscess.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 03: 00 New
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      Quote: zav
      Of course, I am not a specialist, but in fact this is what happens: the so-called buffer zones and de-escalation zones in Idlib, under the influence of government troops, are steadily decreasing in area, and their borders are being pushed in the direction of Turkey. Despite the fact that these borders were established by Putin and Erdogan, and Turkish roadblocks along the perimeter of the zone are surrounded. This happens both in response to the constant sorties of the barmalei and their threats to Russian bases, and in the spirit of Assad's promise to clear the Syrian land of the invaders. In fact, our war is not by letter of agreement, but not to say nothing. So Erdogan, not by letter of agreement, retains that abscess.

      there was a condition that the Turkish would separate its "moderate" from the rest of the terrorists ... proceed from this in your thoughts !!! request
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        zav 22 February 2020 12: 11 New
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        I do not reflect, but give facts. If you do not believe me or the facts, open the maps of Syria "before" and "after", and see for yourself. It is true that Erdogan has not fulfilled part of the agreements, and therefore Russia is not fully fulfilling its own. And rightly so. This is what I am writing about.
  • voyaka uh 21 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    American rated the situation correctly, in accordance
    with the American doctrine:
    first air supremacy is won, and then
    offensives begin.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 February 2020 03: 05 New
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      American rated the situation correctly, in accordance
      with the American doctrine:
      first air supremacy is won, and then
      offensives begin.

      how with racca ?? and no war crimes ???
      interestingly, with all your admiration for them, you have the courage to say that your allies committed one of the most serious war crimes of the 21st century ?? !!!
      1. voyaka uh 22 February 2020 11: 02 New
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        Raqqa - was the official capital of the Islamic State.
        It contained the entire leadership, who fled from the city of Mosul, and foreign experts who joined ISIS.
        And they worked in numerous laboratories and factories of weapons, explosives,
        communications, drones in this city.
        For this reason, during the siege of Raqqa by the Kurds, the ISIS put up particularly fierce resistance.
        And they asked the Americans to bomb the centers of resistance in the old city of Raqqi.
        After the capture of Raqqa, ISIS, as a state, ceased to exist and
        and turned into an ordinary terrorist organization.
        ----
        Always ask if you don’t know anything. fellow drinks
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Raqqa - was the official capital of the Islamic State.
          It contained the entire leadership, who fled from the city of Mosul, and foreign experts who joined ISIS.
          And they worked in numerous laboratories and factories of weapons, explosives,
          communications, drones in this city.
          For this reason, during the siege of Raqqa by the Kurds, the ISIS put up particularly fierce resistance.
          And they asked the Americans to bomb the centers of resistance in the old city of Raqqi.
          After the capture of Raqqa, ISIS, as a state, ceased to exist and
          and turned into an ordinary terrorist organization.

          the terrorists ran away from you, but you put thousands of peaceful ones there !!! negative
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Always ask if you don’t know anything.

          I asked, but you ignored the question !!! am
  • Pavel57 21 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    Erdogan assesses the consequences of a full-fledged war? The economy will fail - not only Russian tourism, but also tomatoes, and gas ....
  • begemot20091 21 February 2020 20: 00 New
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    Quote: nznz
    another attempt by a foreign forum member (I don’t know how to translate it in English) to pull the blanket over yourself. Remember the film Toy, the bombs came and pulled the table to him :)). And here the table is oak, just don’t pull it up .. ridiculous blackmail, say everything in Russian, I don’t speak English, for heaven’s sake will they talk to you?

    Personally to me - monotonously! But, if you, sir, are outraged, then please write yourself .... How not to offend? Ah, more literate. So everyone seems to be clear. You can start with a simple: Spelling adverbs through a hyphen:

    a) adverbs (including pronoun adverbs), formed from full adjectives and adjectives-adjectives in the suffix-suffix way, with the prefix - and suffixes !!!! th, th, th. In English, French, German, Russian a hyphenate is written in Latin;
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      an adverb is written in Latin;

      come on!!! maybe "in latin" ?? !! lol
  • Nick n 21 February 2020 21: 17 New
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    Gentlemen, is it okay that Russia is trying to "wipe the nose of the West" in traditional efforts to help people overthrow dictators? T.s. for self-insurance. :) Assad must still be overthrown. Although, in order to distribute the national wealth of Syria not to a dozen people, but to many. It would be good if Turkey did this as soon as possible. A restless intelligentsia would return to the country, places for which would finally be vacant.
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      Quote: Nick N
      Gentlemen, is it okay that Russia is trying to "wipe the nose of the West" in traditional efforts to help people overthrow dictators? T.s. for self-insurance. :) Assad must still be overthrown. Although, in order to distribute the national wealth of Syria not to a dozen people, but to many. It would be good if Turkey did this as soon as possible. A restless intelligentsia would return to the country, places for which would finally be vacant.

      Is this all nonsense from you seriously ?? !! laughing
  • Anchonsha 21 February 2020 22: 17 New
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    That's what the bastards and Turks are, and the exceptional overseas. All of Russia needs to push the Syrian army to free Idlib more quickly if possible. Merkel and Macron have already begun to put pressure on Putin V.V. to stop the war in Idlib. Collective West started a new game in Syria. And therefore it is necessary to negotiate with the Turks in order to clear Idlib.
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    Quote: Anchonsha
    That's what the bastards and Turks are, and the exceptional overseas.
    Here, probably, “Business and nothing personal” will be appropriate, each side has its own interests. We are bastards for them, they are for us ... - in short, eternal history.

    Quote: Anchonsha
    Merkel and Macron have already begun to put pressure on Putin V.V. to stop the war in Idlib. Collective West started a new game in Syria.
    Yes, as if by magic, this means that the Turks “held consultations” with the Americans, Germans and French.

    Well, let's say the pro-Assad forces and with our support will free even almost all the territories and, then what? Little power, they will be stretched and dispersed, if Turkey begins hostilities it will be even easier to roll them out. The case will end not simply with a rout, but with a pogrom, I think that’s why the Turks are calmly watching what is happening, militarily, this is only to their advantage.

    Quote: Anchonsha
    And therefore it is necessary to negotiate with the Turks in order to clear Idlib.
    Well, the Turks still strongly emphasize that they do not want a confrontation with us and keep the door open, but gradually the door closes ...
    Bluffing is not a bluffing, the game is on the nerves or not, but the Turks are already systematically preparing to send troops to Syria and start hostilities, though here many hastened to say that the Turks started - not yet. Look for meetings, phone calls and trips by Erdogan, Chavushoglu and Akkar. Consultations are held with everyone - the USA, Germany, Great Britain, France, NATO. Just a couple of days before the expiration of the ultimatum put forward by the Turks, on the 25th, Erdogan flies for one day even to Azerbaijan. Not a great ally, but he also has a border with us, his airspace is needed for aviation flights and for Caliber launches. Yes, if it starts fighting on the go-ahead in Karabakh, all the more there is another dead end with the Armenians.
    So imagine how the Turks and Ko - Syria, Libya and for dessert such as Donbas and Karabakh can pull us apart. Don’t be surprised about Donbas, not only have the puppeteers of Nezalezhnaya announced their support, so the Ukrainians themselves can throw a knee. So the farther, the more favorable the situation for the Turks, and not for us.
  • Sarkazm 22 February 2020 00: 55 New
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    Quote: Sarkazm
    Turks will not put up with this,

    but there was nothing to arrange a civil war in Syria !!! all of you are interesting ... at first arrange almost complete devastation, and then complain !!! am I sincerely wish you the esteemed Turkey the state that is now in Syria ... his Turkey has earned in full !!! good

    IMHO, the Turks jumped onto the bandwagon of the train, which they did not steer.
    The civil war in Syria primarily began for internal reasons and from internal contradictions, the rest is a consequence.
    Just remember Chechnya, it would hardly occur to anyone to say that Dudaev was an Islamic radical and started the war to the tune of ISIS, etc. The war began because of the mess in our country and the mistakes of the EBN and its entourage, and everything was stuck later, "in the course of the play." In Syria, the same thing.

    But we should not be interested in this, but what benefits or losses we will get from all this mess or a game on the verge of the threat of war, so that ours do not die.
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    I read here, the star-striped even know what it is to fight with Russia? !!! But the Turks all know this. Nakhimov has not been forgotten !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Izzy Gubinstein 22 February 2020 05: 56 New
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    Turks stop whining
    for the Javgean happiness, for the kibbutz kagla magx, ahead, to the attack !!!
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    Somehow flickered links to respected foretellers, which said that the Turks would be smashed into trash, and Turkey itself would be divided between Greece (Istanbul), Syria, Iran and Iraq. Thought how and when it will begin. It seems to be starting.
  • Thrombus 22 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Why did ours use the su-24? After all, the Su-34 is even better protected and it has a reb and it’s easier for it to bomb accurately from high altitudes and can do evasion maneuvers just at the time, why did they use the Su-24 in such a difficult place?
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    You at least write headings in accordance with the rules of the Russian language. After the word "This" is put a dash!
  • Andobor 22 February 2020 23: 30 New
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    The American officer apparently does not catch up with the fact that Turkey is not advancing, but is getting rid of naughty proxies. “And it turns out pretty well.”
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    East is a delicate matter. I will refrain from commenting so far. Something is wrong here ...