Su-24 VKS of the Russian Federation was able to get away from hitting MANPADS missiles over Idlib

Militants from pro-Turkish groups tried to bring down a Russian Su-24 front-line bomber, which attacked the advancing militant units in the area of ​​the village of Nairab, Idlib province.

According to information from various sources of information, militants of pro-Turkish groups tried to bring down the Russian front-line bomber Su-24 of the Russian Air Force. For this, one of the MANPADS delivered to the groupings was used. But the Russian plane managed to get away from the rocket, after which it self-destructed.

It is already specifically known that the militants tried to bring down the Russian Su-24, and not belonging to the Syrian Air Force.

As previously reported, in the Idlib de-escalation zone, an offensive began by militants who broke through the defenses of the Syrian government army and were even able to capture part of Nairab. The offensive was actively supported by Turkish artillery and MLRS, which attacked Syrian positions. The command of the Syrian army requested the help of the Russian air force, front-line bombers Su-24 of the air force of the Russian Federation struck the attacking militants, thereby stopping the attack and drove the advanced gang forces back to the starting line. Several units of armored vehicles destroyed by air strikes.

It is known that to cover the actions of the Su-24, Su-35 fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were used.

According to recent reports, Russia called on Ankara to stop supporting gangs in Idlib province and to refuse to transfer arms to them.

Recall: the day before Erdogan said that the start of the Turkish operation in Idlib is a matter of time. Apparently, today the Turkish president decided that this time has come.

Comments

[rotkiv04]

It's time to calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

[snifer]

I understand you write from the trench?

[rotkiv04]

Is it your sarcasm? If so, not original, come up with something your own

[snifer]

Yes, what a sarcasm is it to me. Hurray ahead and drafts for a hollow. More original comment than yours is not given to me to think up. Now our country lacks a full-scale war with Turkey.

[Spektr]

It's just that Erdogan is trying to launch a "self-liquidator", and very persistently. Do not interfere with this. It behaves like a "grenade monkey".

[Cryvedco]

Where do you come from so peace-loving ... And if you blow dry again, you will also justify the fact that war is not needed and it’s finally not good to roll a barrel on respected people over some kind of airplane ?! When partners specifically get healthy, it’s important to give the teeth in time, not much, but so that they understand. Otherwise, then our blood will also be shed, and it will be necessary to calm it down harder.

[snifer]

Is it our partners that we sold the S400 to? They’re free? Yes, this cannot happen, Russian and Turkish brothers forever (but this is sarcasm). For me, the Turks were never respected partners. Time to give in the teeth was in the 15th year.

[Cryvedco]

Well, that’s what the Supreme calls them, like everyone else. I’m supporting about 15 years, but now we have what we have, we need to somehow act on the basis of the current situation, and in such a way that everything comes to the dull

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Yes, we build a nuclear power plant on credit. And the S-400 is also a loan. And the stream was extended to them. Russia now cut off his grandmother?

[kjhg]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Russia now cut off his grandmother?

Collect from those who agreed and signed these contracts

[EvilLion]

It's okay that because of these contracts the Turks now have not 7, but 27 times to think about whether to conflict with us. "They won't get off with tomatoes."

[Days]

Quote: EvilLion

It's okay that because of these contracts the Turks now have not 7, but 27 times to think about whether to conflict with us. "They won't get off with tomatoes."

Nifiga like that:
- They have already received S-400, and will receive hugs from the USA if they transfer it to study
- we need the flow, and not them, because they will switch to neighbors at any time, they will be happy to stretch 25 pokotas too (several gas pipelines as part of the Southern Gas Corridor are being built right now, with gas intake from Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan)
- We also need nuclear power plants, not them, but they will just freeze Akkuy and will invite the Chinese to build nearby

In general, they lose nothing, and Russia is losing, because it is all financed by loans issued from the budget of Russia.

[EvilLion]

There is only one office in the world that knows how to build nuclear power plants - this is Rosatom. About "the flow is not for them", well, you know what, take an ax and give them a distribution. flap so as not to fix it right away. And live like this.

[Observer2014]

Quote: snifer

Is it our partners that we sold the S400 to? They’re free? Yes, this cannot happen, Russian and Turkish brothers forever (but this is sarcasm). For me, the Turks were never respected partners. Time to give in the teeth was in the 15th year.

What a colleague. Uryakalki and lobbyists of great Armenia? ran into a common opinion. This is normal. There is no single definition in the current World. There is no clear border between ours and not ours. There are the interests of our country. Here now. And in each case.

[Ka-52]

Where do you come from so peace-loving ... And if you blow dry again, you will also justify the fact that war is not needed and it’s finally not good to roll a barrel on respected people over some kind of airplane ?!

There is no need to wave propaganda clichés here. Every fool can shout "we will take revenge" and "you can't forgive it." What exactly do you suggest? For example

[Cryvedco]

For concrete proposals to the General Staff - it’s better to see from there than from my sofa. They are unlikely to be voiced to you, but they are, infa 146%, the main thing is that at the right time the Faberge should be in place. Counter-question - what do you propose? Get cancer, have fun? Issue a few posthumous stars and express deep concern?

[evgenii67]

when partners specifically get healthy, it’s important to give the teeth in time,

and crush will not break? You are so brave. Well, for reference, Turkey has one of the most powerful NATO armies, if not the strongest after the United States. And in Syria, by and large, Russia has nothing to oppose to the Turks. But we will continue to fuss and try to wave our fists.

[Cryvedco]

Oh, well, that’s it, we need to be afraid of them, scarecrow. That's it, we change the concept: in which case we immediately express our protest without crawling out from under the sheet. So the rules?

[evgenii67]

Quote: Creedco

Oh, well, that’s it, we need to be afraid of them, scarecrow. That's it, we change the concept: in which case we immediately express our protest without crawling out from under the sheet. So the rules?

Well, as an option, once again express concern.

[Tuxuu]

A full-blown conflict is practically not real, no one will go to it. They will butt but limited forces and all

[snifer]

and not large-scale, in a limited theater of operations in Syria, it also does not bode well for us, the forces are clearly not equal

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: snifer

and not large-scale, in a limited theater of operations in Syria, it also does not bode well for us, the forces are clearly not equal

and the Turks straight "profits" will have nowhere to go from the conflict with Russia !!!

[opuonmed]

but we’ll see it for 2 days today tomorrow we will see the Turks attack the Russian Federation soldiers or not, they need to suppress the aircraft in order to successfully navigate the Syrians

[brat07]

Quote: opuonmed

but we’ll see it for 2 days today tomorrow we will see the Turks attack the Russian Federation soldiers or not, they need to suppress the aircraft in order to successfully navigate the Syrians

Pavel, excuse me, but for starters, at least in Russian you would have learned to print well!
My minus.

[Leeds]

Quote: snifer

Yes, what a sarcasm is it to me. Hurray ahead and drafts for a hollow. More original comment than yours is not given to me to think up. Now our country lacks a full-scale war with Turkey.

It was dangerous ... It is strange why they did not use the SU-34. In the video, the Su-35, covering the air in the zone of the database.
Turks are asking the United States to bring the Patriot to the border. As they become more impudent, we saw today. The fact that this is dangerous can not be explained even stupid.

The Turks fired a lot from self-propelled guns and MLRS, they themselves glowed on the front end.

They say that everything will start tomorrow. Persistence of CAA.

They themselves write that this (the Turks in the ranks of green and black) will make them fight even braver.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Leeds

It was dangerous ... It is strange why they did not use the SU-34. In the video, the Su-35, covering the air in the zone of the database.

Why flap your wings over the battlefield when there is a wonderful MLRS Tornado. Fit the division and bring heat and light to partners and barmels in bulk quantities. With a range of Smerch in 120 km, you can shoot the whole Idlib without leaving a place, and even enough for Turkey along with future Patriots on the border ..

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Nevertheless, I think Turkey should be crushed a little, otherwise it will become impudent. War is certainly not necessary, but it is necessary to push.

[Sapsan136]

Anyone who prefers shame to war receives both war and shame, time proved.!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sapsan136

Anyone who prefers shame to war receives both war and shame, time proved.!

current perdogasha wants to expand his "Ottoman Empire", and as a result can reduce Turkey !!! Turks historically without any shame preferred war - as a result, they reached the present state !!

[Sapsan136]

This is because, starting the war, the Turks hoped not for their own, but for other people's bayonets ... And now they are hoping for the Yankees, but in vain ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sapsan136

This is because, starting the war, the Turks hoped not for their own, but for other people's bayonets ... And now they are hoping for the Yankees, but in vain ...

it's out of trouble !!!

[BastaKarapuzik And]

One of the parties may behave completely unreasonably, this does not mean that the other side should take mirror measures. East is a delicate matter; they are too impulsive and emotional. In this region, everyone does not like each other; we still did not have enough time to get in there on the same conditions, as one of the parties to the conflict. We just have to act as a more or less neutral party that has its own interests, but nevertheless is not hostile to the main players in the region. Diplomacy, information companies, the delicate work of special services, and there can be quite banal money, all this is no less effective than the MLRS.

[Sapsan136]

In the East, only power is respected, someone who at least once behaved like a woman will never be respected and taken seriously, he will remain a woman, a jester and a clown for life ...

[BastaKarapuzik And]

The emotionality of the people of this region is over the top, specifically about the Turks I do not have accurate information, but the Arabs are generally completely impulsive and unbalanced. There are many examples of this. At least we definitely do not need to behave like Arabs. As for strength, this is true, but strength must not be shown in hysteria.

[Sapsan136]

I agree about hysteria, she’s generally a bad helper, but boltology is not power, they are not respected in the East ... and they are not respected anywhere ... It makes sense to negotiate only after the use of force, when the enemy is defeated, or got so serious I’m ready to give up, on conditions favorable to the Russian Federation ...

[olegactor]

Very now, our country lacks a full-scale war with Turkey.

but why do you think there’s enough for the Turks ... they only respect strength ... learn history

[Chingachguk]

Do you propose that the Turk be frightened, that God give in to her, with this Syria?

[artifact]

Quote: snifer

Very now, our country lacks a full-scale war with Turkey.

the tactics of the campaign are as follows: - SSA lure the barmaley to a counterattack and utilize it in every possible way. so that the turretchina had as little infantry as possible on the spot. the Turks themselves will help with artillery, but they are unlikely to get to clean the area. whose soldier will control - that and the territory! I want to note that Russia and Turkey will not have to face directly, although the war is already going on indirectly between us ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: artifact

the Turks themselves will help with artillery,

it must be extinguished too !!!

[artifact]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: artifact

the Turks themselves will help with artillery,

it must be extinguished too !!!

I am for ! but, now a direct clash with the Turks is impractical, in any case, it should not be unleashed on our part.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: artifact

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: artifact

the Turks themselves will help with artillery,

it must be extinguished too !!!

I am for ! but, now a direct clash with the Turks is impractical, in any case, it should not be unleashed on our part.

everything there must be extinguished Turkish !!! busting will only be if our planes in the open Istanbul begin to bomb !!

[artifact]

as they say "let's not fanaticism"

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: artifact

as they say "let's not fanaticism"

Well I indicated where the search is !!!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: snifer

Very now, our country lacks a full-scale war with Turkey.

and when will it be enough? !!!

[Ros 56]

As I understand it, you are now trying to teach us the mind from the Foreign Office. How is the weather in Moscow, what is visible from the window?

[brr1]

Quote: snifer

I understand you write from the trench?

Yes, we are actually writing everything from the couch. We are on the fringes of the information war.

[snifer]

We are yes, but ours, in Syria, at the very edge of this war, and our expeditionary force is in an extremely vulnerable position. We will defeat all of us, beat the Turks a hundred times, hurray, go ahead, a vigorous warhead, it’s extremely stupid. I consider it a manifestation of extreme stupidity and shortsightedness all previous kisses and dances with Turkey. Well, for those who disagree, I do not chase the pluses, you can minus.

[Leeds]

Quote: snifer

We are yes, but ours, in Syria, at the very edge of this war, and our expeditionary force is in an extremely vulnerable position. We will defeat all of us, beat the Turks a hundred times, hurray, go ahead, a vigorous warhead, it’s extremely stupid. I consider it a manifestation of extreme stupidity and shortsightedness all previous kisses and dances with Turkey. Well, for those who disagree, I do not chase the pluses, you can minus.

Do not pay attention to the stupidity of individuals who are more concerned with virtual shoulder straps than with the danger that our pilots, militants of the MTR and other soldiers and specialists involved in the operation are exposed to.
MIKHAN is a brand.

[Naive]

Only if the Turks do not respond very harshly to our corps will it be even worse and not only in Syria and not only the corps.

[Chingachguk]

I fully support! With one, two strikes of the videoconferencing system, destroy all Turkish equipment in Syrian territory and put together a UN meeting, where in an ultimatum form urge the Turk to abandon provocations, seize Syrian territory and support terrorists! And for the fact that they have already done it, to sanction them and not to remove them until these boobies come to their senses and apologize! The more we will be with them, the better, the desire to try us on the tooth again will disappear!

[Garris199]

You say so, as if we had there, at least the combined arms army and the air force corps. Our forces there are very limited if we consider operations against the regular army, and not formations on carts.

[Simfy]

plus one should not forget that NATO is behind Turkey, the Yankees can only wait for a good reason for the war "on foreign territory and by the wrong hands"

[Chingachguk]

I assume that the sky is closed to the Turks, and aviation decides almost the entire outcome of this event. Further, I would like to clarify that the 5th NATO amendment can be applied when a NATO country was attacked, and not when a NATO country was hit in the teeth by the territory it illegally invaded.

[Nikolay73]

There is only one BUT ... all their amendments "work" only when and where they need it ... with all my help to our military, our contingent will not pull a full-scale military operation, and we and they understand this. Ours have already done a lot there with relatively small forces, for which they are honored, praised and respected. As for the Turks, in my opinion, less emotion is needed, politics is a dirty business and it has always been so everywhere. The strategy, in my opinion, in strengthening our positions with the least possible damage to us, does not sound very good, only other options, in my opinion, are even worse ... IMHO, as always. And the guys should return home safe and sound.

[Chingachguk]

We have created and armed not a bad army of Syria, there are also Iranian forces, running around, the Turks will sit in a puddle if the United States does not subscribe for them.

[Nikolay73]

You know, to be honest, it will happen to the Turks to me violet ... but with ours, no, with amers, dancing with sabers to dance, in my opinion, pleasure is below average.

[Chingachguk]

I agree with you. But alas and ah, judging by everything that is happening around Russia and its interests, someone still needs to cut off their ears so that others do not get used to it. And without any long explanations BEFORE ........... But AFTER explaining it is intelligible for what, and what can be continued with extremities if it did not reach .... Risk. I agree. But a demonstration of the skill, strength and coherence of our specialists has been needed for a long time.

[Nikolay73]

I do not have the proper level of competence to make such serious decisions.

[Chingachguk]

Sorry, otherwise I would have done as you say !!!!

[Stalllker]

From behind the couch

[Chingachguk]

Yes, I write while sitting on the couch. Do you broadcast from trenches in Syria?

[Stalllker]

I don’t broadcast anything at all, you made a mistake with the address

[Dmitry Potapov]

Or "Boreus" to go to the Middle Sea "to replenish supplies"

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

Or "Boreus" to go to the Middle Sea "to replenish supplies"

Suggest hammering nails with a microscope? And the Mediterranean Sea if that.

[evgen81]

Yes, we feed them plutonium on the tonsils !!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: rotkiv04

It's time calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

How easy it is to scatter slogans and calls, sitting on the couch, collecting likes. Well, take it, go and do what you think is "long overdue", "as long as possible", "for how long" ... To knock on the keyboard is not to sit in a trench.

[rotkiv04]

As I understand it, this is your workplace

[Piramidon]

Quote: rotkiv04

As I understand it, this is your workplace

I, unlike you, do not scatter such empty slogans and appeals.

[luk]

Cool car. Where can I buy?

[Svarog51]

This is proprietary information. If you really need a device - the company "sofas of Russia". No need to thank, I am from the bottom of my heart.

[Chingachguk]

And what are you doing? Were such pictures already prepared? And in all likelihood you are not broadcasting from the couch, but from a stool hard !!! So to say, do not look for easy ways !!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Chingachguk

You’re not broadcasting from the couch, but from a hard stool

Do not guess. From a soft armchair on wheels.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Piramidon

Well, take it, go and do what you think is "long overdue", "as long as possible", "until what time" ...

Do you think these are not warriors that advise "to start with themselves"?

[figwam]

Quote: rotkiv04

It's time to calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

Thanks to the modernization, after which the SVP-24 Hephaestus system was installed on the Su-24M, which allows accurate strikes from a height of 5 km, where MANPADS are useless.

[tech3030]

The Turks can throw something bigger to the barmaley, that’s the trouble. Yes, they can use aviation ...

[Killemall]

Well, it started ... (((Turks reported the loss of several military from airstrikes ... now the mess will begin ..

[Rusik.S]

But they did not say what the Turkish military did among the terrorists?

[Aerodrome]

Su-24 VKS of the Russian Federation was able to get away from hitting MANPADS missiles over Idlib

guys are handsome. what to say. you can't fall at all, in principle. and over the "unshaven" ... you yourself know ... THAT GUYS!

[private person]

WOTS TO GUYS!

The guys themselves are probably in shock, there is a lot of vodka needed.

[Runoway]

But they did not say what the Turkish military did among the terrorists?

And you know, our Foreign Ministry also has no final definiteness about the Turks.
Since the downed Su-24
Erdogan is either a terrorist, or an economic partner, or an ISIS doctor, or an ally in the fight against terrorists.
Excuse me, but all the excuses for the guilt of the pro-American opposition who tried to overthrow Erdogan are nonsense, because Turkish Defense Minister Chavushoglu was in power and now all his official statements about the downed plane (with all the extortion from the ground and reporters) are available
Again, our ambassador is being threatened, promising skyscrapers from the skulls of the Russian military, and no one has even imposed a ban on holidays in Turkey

[luk]

Cavusoglu - Minister of Foreign Affairs

[Runoway]

Thanks for the amendment, but the point is not changing

[Nikolay73]

There is a state policy - it’s me about your ban on rest ... but there is a personal policy, do you personally buy vegetables, fruits or clothes from Turkey? Not? Then why do you need a ban on holidays in Turkey? Maybe enough to blame the whole country? As for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, not only in the Moscow Region people are risking their lives, I thought this did not need to be explained to adults ...

[Runoway]

Then why do you need a ban on holidays in Turkey?

Then, that the government in the presence of intelligence and closed negotiations knows more than the media. Then, that the government should take care of citizens, and not let it happen, so as not to upset the Sultan outflow of tourists.
The fact is that from the ban on tomatoes and from the ban on charters, someone has financial losses under the government, the ban was lifted and now they are in no hurry to introduce

[Nikolay73]

Do you have specific facts on hand?

[RideMaster]

So you just asked, the Turks were ashamed and left Syria. You saved the world without getting up off the couch, cheers.

[Killemall]

here I don’t even have such a question, for everything is clear as a white day.

[cradle]

daisies were collected in the field ... well, as usual

[private person]

It's time to calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

You are a joker, however, and next time the SU-24 may not get away from MANPADS. And what does it mean to calibrate? Use Caliber missiles against the Turks?

[Dude]

Quote: private person

It's time to calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

You are a joker, however, and next time the SU-24 may not get away from MANPADS. And what does it mean to calibrate? Use Caliber missiles against the Turks?

Why is he a joker?
If the Turks take hostile actions against our VKS, MTR, or VP, then it is simply necessary to calibrate, moreover, firmly and immediately, IMHO.
Another thing is that in our leadership, for sure, there will be opponents of such a policy. The very ones, it seems to me, who lobbied for the sale of a significant air defense complex and the construction of nuclear power plants and pipelines to our historical rivals (and if not equivalent to enemies), moreover, which is typical, for our money

[RideMaster]

I bet you are not aware that even all the calibers will not be enough for significant losses from Turkey.
Wacky, calibrate)

[Dude]

Quote: RideMaster

I bet you are not aware that even all the calibers will not be enough for significant losses from Turkey.
Wacky, calibrate)

And to argue, I know very well that the number of new high-tech weapons we have is depressingly small
But it is necessary to answer, in certain cases, even if it will be expensive and difficult.
Otherwise, everyone will beat. And always.
About Uryakalok - this is not for me, dear novoreg.

[private person]

If the Turks take hostile action against our VKS, MTR, or VP,

So the fact of the matter is that the Turks can do it with someone else's hands, and then still offer to "help" in the investigation. As it was already, or you forgot.

[Dude]

Turks can do it with their own hands

Yes it looks like they do already do it yourself, judging by the video that appeared on the network.

[Alexey from Perm]

Are we ready for war?

[polar fox]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

Are we ready for war?

how to say ... if for the army there are no gunpowder suitable for shooting, then not really ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

Are we ready for war?

what do you think? How long will the Russian contingent (quite a few) last in Syria in the absence of supplies and replenishment of l / s from the "mainland" ???

[Alexey from Perm]

I also think that we can support the Syrians, but their forces are bled by a prolonged war, if Iran joined, then yes. If you do not agree with Iran, then there will be a drain of the Syrians, perhaps shameful.

[Nastia makarova]

there will be no direct war, everything was agreed long ago

[Uncle Izya]

Do not write sushi at the Turks 235 f-16 s / d modifications than you knock them down with a sword kladenetsom?
the S-400 division suffers losses but you can’t argue against such an armada with a division

[Mathafaka]

Oh, you also listened to Hodarenka)

[Uncle Izya]

Clever guy the pvoshnik studied in Minsk

[elai]

God forbid as little as possible losses Syriyuam and the absence of losses to the Russians!

[Livonetc]

Lucky guys.

[DMB 75]

This is more skill than luck. Young pilot!

[Livonetc]

Pilots Molotsy.
However, most likely the missile failed to hit the target.

[Voyager]

How do you know that "rather" is here? You were there?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: DMB 75

This is more skill than luck. Young pilot!

the navigator is a hammer, he is more "looking out the window" and at "light bulbs".

[Separ]

On the Su-24 it is probably hard to get away from MANPADS ... in Afghanistan, the MiG-23MLA left the "stinger", but the overloads were wild ... and the Su-24 is a heavier aircraft and the maneuverability is not that ... although it may have used something from Electronic warfare and the missile went wrong.

[Sapsan136]

In Chechnya, the Su-24M from 1 MANPADS left without any problems ... Often there were enough heat traps released immediately in large numbers ... If a volley of several MANPADS is fired, the hope is only for the latest electronic warfare ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sapsan136

In Chechnya, the Su-24M from 1 MANPADS left without any particular problems

depending on which MANPADS, which operator, which pilots, terrain, and a lot of all sorts of factors ... right up to luck.
It is not easy for the 24th to dodge a rocket, maneuverability isn’t so hot, and thrust-weight ratio is also not.

[Sapsan136]

Yes, there were all sorts of things, from the Soviet Arrows, to the Stingers and Bulpap ... Help to the barmaley went through Georgia ...

[Sky strike fighter]

It is not a matter of luck, but the height of the use of aviation.

It is reported that Russian planes were able to escape from shelling from MANPADS made by militants. The anti-ballistic missile maneuver was carried out by the Su-24 VKS of Russia with the firing of an aircraft at an altitude of ~ 5000 m.

Su-35 fighters flew from the Khmeimim air base, which provide cover for the airborne attack aircraft.

http://in24.org/world/38678

[Eugene-Eugene]

It was lucky that the guys "Hephaestus" had

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

It was lucky that the guys "Hephaestus" had

this is unnecessary in the comments

[Runoway]

Nothing superfluous this is the Russian Federation, they can send in bast shoes: bombers worked without cover for fighters and how many turntables without the vaunted "President S" were shot down from MANPADS, and mi-28 with all childhood diseases, including the downed Tu-22m3 in Georgia, yes Many things

[Thrifty]

From other sources, the grach rocket was launched not by militants, but directly from the position of the Turkish army! The Turks did not make conclusions, after the downing of our plane, now they will not be so easily dispelled. Almost the Sultan will call in the United States, Trump will tell him, I sympathize, but this is your internal affair, for the Russians do not storm Constantinople, so hang on there. ..And they will also send him to NATO again - to reconcile with Russia, until the stream of corpses of the Turkish military became a river, and the military themselves have not thrown him off the throne. ..

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Thrifty

From other sources, a grach rocket was launched

The Rook is the Su-25. And the rest, of course - yes.

[RideMaster]

Su 25 is truly our best attack aircraft (s)
)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

From other sources ...

More specifically, of which others?

[Thrifty]

Stepan I opened a news feed, there they wrote slyly "news from our sources of information" and further that the missile was launched from the positions of the Turkish army. And, most importantly, most of their news that I read was later confirmed by other media. !

[Thrifty]

Stepan, this information has already been confirmed, there is a video from our drone! Turks fired on our plane! !!!

[Piramidon]

I'll wait for something more official. As always, the news in the process of launching and promotion is overgrown with all sorts of "sources close to almost the Lord, who wished to remain anonymous"

[master 52]

Well, I think our expect something, take care of yourself guys

[Grits]

Quote: master 52

Well, I think our expected something

Expect is one thing. And preparing for the expected is another. Something I did not listen to, recently infa slipped about the strengthening of our group in Syria. And it is clearly not small against what the Turks can quickly build up.

[master 52]

Our Syrians will not be able to fight, only help

[Grits]

Quote: master 52

Our Syrians will not be able to fight, only help

It is clear that we cannot be more Syrians than the Syrians themselves. But without standing up for them under the pretext that we did not sign up to fight in Turkey, we instantly lose face. And then no one in the world will see Russia as a strong player. This will be Putin's "decline of glory." What will he choose?

[master 52]

Well, not so long ago, a Turkish column was uncovered when it went very eagerly to the wrong place. Well, personally, my opinion is clearly not a war with Turkey, but as a maximum the Ossetian scenario of peace enforcement, but this is extremely unlikely

[fiberboard]

Turkey is not Georgia, and NATO will help.

[Dude]

Quote: fiberboard

Turkey is not Georgia, and NATO will help.

#Americans?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: fiberboard

Turkey is not Georgia

same monkeys !!!

Quote: fiberboard

and NATO will help.

if only a coup d'etat to arrange !!

[Olegater]

Roll out these animals in the desert with the Turks. Maybe then the farther will understand that the answer for everything will come and save, as the last time he would not. And only the jackal understands the power. Including in Ankara. Yes, and for the fallen soldiers should be even !!!!!

Warriors take care of yourself and military luck !!!!

[Runoway]

What to roll out? One Hmeimim? Russia is far away, and Turkey is close

[RideMaster]

A man is already there with an ax, right now he’ll roll everyone, and you ask him such nonsense, distract him from the feat.

[Sapsan136]

Even the old Iskanders reach the Turkish coast, and it’s time to pay the bills for the murders of Russian soldiers!

[protoss]

there is no desert, although what difference does it make to you. the main thing is more exclamation points

[Klingon]

told the truth! Quapla!

[Lamata]

We are waiting for our reaction. Let's see what Faberge you yourself know who.

[Okolotochny]

Waiting for you to give? Or do you immediately go to the Commander-in-Chief, pull out a saber and chop the basurman?

[Lamata]

Why are you reacting so nervously)))) Roll brandy, sharpen your saber, shake out the dusty uniform.

[Svarog51]

There will be problems with neighbors - will you decide or will you call a local?
The first is fraught with consequences, the second - by law.
P.S. And his uniform has not even become dusty. Envy in silence. This is to me - the old envy, but he is at work.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

Waiting for you to give? Or do you immediately go to the Commander-in-Chief, pull out a saber and chop the basurman?

Greetings!
I don’t understand such people either - they want war, not understanding what it is

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Krasnodar

Greetings!
I don’t understand such people either - they want war, not understanding what it is
Reply
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A complaint

I don’t understand at all when on a resource where opinions need to be exchanged, characters with guns from guns appear ... and shoot ... and shoot ...

[Gardamir]

want war

Why are wars necessary? Our Minister Gromyko "fought" no worse than other marshals. Or re-read (revise) "TASS is authorized to declare ...". No shots, but victory.

[Lamata]

And such a thing as the Cold War existed, the war is the same, but without military operations.

[Lamata]

Dear, I don’t want a war. But I don’t want to wipe my legs.

[Svarog51]

Igor There are no options, either we respect each other humanly, or the ideological war. Little came to us from the side, there we ourselves will add. What is the use of this?

[Lamata]

And I didn’t be rude to anyone))) and I do not specifically hunt for minus. And I do not call my opinion about my opinion and for war.

[Okolotochny]

Albert, Helo (further as in the joke himself ...))), but populists, they are used to pushing slogans only. And to sit down and think - not, not them. How is Krasnodar worth it?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

Albert, Helo (further as in the joke himself ...))), but populists, they are used to pushing slogans only. And to sit down and think - not, not them. How is Krasnodar worth it?

Good afternoon! Yes, where to get to Krasnodar))
I am not a fan of the Soviet Union, but about the war the ideology was correct - this is, first of all, great human grief, sacrifice, deprivation. Now there is a lot of bravado and some people, unfortunately, are underway.

[Lamata]

Kill up the wall, freak.

[Okolotochny]

Kill up the wall, freak.

And such "comments" are spent by "a former employee of the KNB of the RK". Congratulations, Mr.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Lamata

Let's see what Faberge

Here is another one that struck the bottom ... And yes, perverts are not favored here.

[Lamata]

What perversion do not prompt?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Lamata

What is the perversion

In indefatigable public erotic fantasies.

Quote: Lamata

Judging by your nickname, it’s bad with your head.

So I don’t hide - there is no help, however, but I work in this direction.

[Lamata]

Judging by your nickname, it’s bad with your head.

[Svarog51]

Judging by the epaulettes, you offended many. Sometimes a word is stronger than a bullet does harm.

[Lamata]

Dear Svarog, only this comment has entered the acute phase))) Well, these citizens did not like it, but the epaulettes? so here all sorts of lovers are still prospering to minus just to minus, and all sorts of sluggish bots are enough.

[Svarog51]

In vain you think so. Many on the site for a very long time, chevrons-year-olds show this. And bots on the site are tracked in a timely manner. Old-timers on the site - people are very different, but get along and respect each other's opinions. Passions, of course, boil, but within the normal range.

[Lamata]

from 2015 to zaregin on the site, so I know who respects anyone here. remember the torquemadists? and they were laid out here by name. last year. Last year I read carefully, there was so much rubbish, about Ukraine. By the way, dear Svarog, you have also come across a lot.

[Svarog51]

So look carefully at the list, because then I was banned for a year. I'm on that list too.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Lamata

so I know who respects anyone here. remember the torquemadists?

Duc it is, in person!)))))

[Okolotochny]

Bread cutter !!!! What people! Let’s tell more tales how you served in Afghanistan, received the parcels, as you two put the whole of Abkhazia into the pose of a beaver. Does it seem boring in the bath?

[Lamata]

And the fact that I did a few yesterday, well, did not speak out beautifully, I apologize, could not resist Blood stagnated from the seat of the house.

[Svarog51]

You just did not offend me in any way. In our dialogue, you behaved flawlessly. No complaints on my part. I will say more - I even tried to somewhat level the decline in your rating, but alas, I did not have enough strength, and this is punishable.

[Lamata]

I apologized to those who overly emotionally answered. I don’t remember the list. Bo left the site then. But I experienced a frank minus.

[Svarog51]

They are unlikely to read this, since your message is addressed to me. Usually, they re-enter the article like you and I to continue the conversation.
I also became indifferent to the rating - I "got sick" so to speak. I like the site because I have found many friends here from all over Russia and even abroad.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog51

I also became indifferent to the rating - I "got sick" so to speak.

Yeah, "got sick", funny

[Svarog51]

Personally, Igor to me as a person is pretty. He had the guts to apologize for the fervor. I will support him. But here you are - sorry. You're not capable of that. And at all, pouring feces is welcome. You attribute to the Order all who are against your fabrications. Typical pan holder. When do we wash a medal for Service to Ukraine?

[Svarog51]

It is high time to pay attention to you, you also collected the "Mighty Handful". And against Russia and against the site. The Order burned out for uprooting such. And now ... the weeds are riotous. Then let the moderators judge us. I am ready to accept their decision.

[Okolotochny]

Either he struck, or he vomited))). My respect to the Black Devils!

[Retvizan 8]

So all the same, the Sultan decided that he was the king of the situation and climbed into the razhon.
Well, we really are not so strong in Syria, but did Erdogan only calculate his losses, including economic, if he fully drilled into Syria?
God bless our wars! And help the Syrians!

[Dmitry Potapov]

I always remember the phrase said by Stalin (not me), who pointed out on the map to the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits "Everywhere we have good, here it is bad!"

[Sapsan136]

The BSF has always had a joke on this subject - What will happen if Turkey closes the straits for us? - We will deepen and expand them! ... Even 16 missiles of the Volcano of an old cruiser Moscow are already capable of carrying a nuclear warhead at a distance of up to 1000 km ...

[kiprei]

Well, yes, he changed his shoes into autocrats, but once the autocracy itself destroyed it, if the Communists had not morally decomposed the army, then there would have been straits, and along with Constantinople - as part of Russia. And even after the victory of the Reds in civilian life, there could well have been no Turkey, and there would have been no, if the USSR did not help Turkey in their struggle against the Greeks.

[Aleksandr21]

Wow scared, a black bar with the news, right under the sections. I already read this news on other sites ... what can I say, it’s good that everything worked out. Good luck to our children and the Syrians in the reflection of Turkish aggression.

[Tuzik]

Also did not understand this black stripe. Why is she?

[donavi49]

What bounced. Well, the problem as a whole needs to be solved. The Turks also have Rapira and Hoki. They can start to beat them. Moreover, the Turkish Defense Ministry accused the SAR Air Force:
"The culprit of death two Turkish military personnel with an air strike in the Syrian province of Idlib are the Syrian Air Force... This was stated by the administration of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, TASS reports.

Well, who will figure out whose Su-24 the SAR Air Force or VKS? And in general, in the heat of battle, if there is something more serious than MANPADS on the spot, they will use it.

Through NATO, the Patriots also requested support "from the aviation of the Regime's forces."

[Tuzik]

Quote: donavi49

What bounced.

In this case, a green or other color than black, the strip had to be done!

[Lamata]

And why would the Syrian not declare that any military formations not of the SAR are terrorist and are subject to destruction.

[Prahlad]

Warcryer

[2 Level Advisor]

I experienced the same emotions .. If only I thought that this mourning news has always been, on black .. Not good! Glory to our God is in order!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Aleksandr21

black bar with news

Indicates important news, as marked "lightning".

[impostor]

With the onset of darkness there will be a thermobaric fire show, and tomorrow spectacular vidos will be laid out

[alex aircraft]

Now again there will be screams about a stab in the back? Is the height of idiocy-to be friends with the eternal enemy of Russia !!

[mirexes]

and in what place is friendship going?

[tech3030]

Hucksters are friends with everyone who can give money.

[Whalebone]

Turkey has never been an ally of the Russian Federation, and never will be. Moreover, the Sultan is very annoyed by everyone who jokes in his underbelly. He deliberately goes to aggravation, for he considers himself the master.
We are waiting for the C400 delivered to the Turks to start working on the Russian Aerospace Forces? Or will we sell them the Su-57 first?

[Voltsky]

S-300-350-400 are not able to work on airplanes of the Russian Federation (a friend-or-foe system is integrated according to customer requests in the territory of the Russian Federation)
One of the reasons for the delivery of the S-300 to Syria was precisely the fact that they would not allow a repeat of the incident with the Jewish undertakers.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Voletsky

S-300-350-400 are not able to work on airplanes of the Russian Federation

yah! Why would it all be? Murzilka re-read?)

Quote: Voletsky

friend-or-foe system is integrated according to customer requests in the Russian Federation

first-party interrogator, put the Turks themselves. Secondly, let it be known to you, the interrogator is disconnected in order to be able to fire when it malfunctions, or consciously on a friendly board (for example, a plane is hijacked or hijacked)

Have you ever heard of cases of aircraft being shot down by SAM and MANPADS missiles of the same country as a downed aircraft ???
Shot down Soviet and Russian aircraft, shot down American - from Soviet and American weapons, respectively

[Voltsky]

Quote: Gregory_45

yah! Why would it all be? Murzilka re-read?)
first-party interrogator, put the Turks themselves. Secondly, let it be known to you, the interrogator is disconnected in order to be able to fire when it malfunctions, or consciously on a friendly board (for example, a plane is hijacked or hijacked)

Have you ever heard of cases of aircraft being shot down by SAM and MANPADS missiles of the same country as a downed aircraft ???
Shot down Soviet and Russian aircraft, shot down American - from Soviet and American weapons, respectively

As far as I remember, the Russian Federation refused to the Turks that they themselves would install a system of their own, and therefore this was done by Russian experts; if in your murzilka another info - then correct me.

Yes, a friend or foe is disconnected; But is it turned off in the export version for Turkey!?

The Russian Federation sells weapons without bookmarks that would protect the Russian Federation themselves from attacking them with their own weapons ?! Do you consider yourself a fool or your government ?! I do not want to offend anyone, because the world is full of deer and you are probably right, but I find your approach pessimistic and fatal.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Voletsky

I find your approach pessimistic-fatal

or impartial.

Two regimental sets of S-400, designed for Turkey, differ from anti-aircraft systems, which are in service with the Russian Air Force. But this does not mean that the export modification, in terms of its basic characteristics, is worse than systems bearing combat duty in Russia. It is related to customer preferences and some specific technical issues. So, for example, in the Turkish S-400 air defense system, the 96L6E2 radar is used instead of the 96L6 / 96L6-1, which are operated by the Russian Aerospace Forces. Some elements of the complex are not self-propelled, but towed, which is associated with customer requirements for cost reduction and for the use of their own tractors. In addition, a number of sources say that there are differences in computer systems and in topographic location equipment. In addition, anti-aircraft systems delivered to Turkey deprived of full-time Russian combat control equipment and determination of state affiliation.

NATO’s integrated air defense system uses the Mk state recognition system. XII, having "military" and "civilian" regimes. At the Turkish control centers of the S-400 air defense system, the "civilian" standard STANAG 4193 is used, which is compatible with the ICAO standard (civilian secondary radar of international air traffic control), but at the same time, there is the possibility of embedding "military" imitation-resistant components, which will require the installation of NATO equipment with unique cryptographic keys. It is known that work in this direction is currently being conducted by the Turkish electronic company Aselsan.

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

As far as I remember, the Russian Federation refused to the Turks that they themselves would install a system of their own, and therefore this was done by Russian experts; if in your murzilka another info - then correct me.

Did you read this?
Supply of S-400 air defense systems to Turkey: possible consequences.
https://topwar.ru/166415-postavka-rossijskih-zrs-s-400-v-turciju-i-vozmozhnye-posledstvija-jetogo-shaga.html

[Voltsky]

With difficulty, but mastered, laconicism is not included in the list of your talents, or at least add humor so that it is easier to read, but informative of course :)
1. Where does the info about f-35 come from ?!
2. Do you know? or do you think this is the case? Simple - these are two big differences.
3. I read a number of similar articles, and you propose to trust you? :)
4. The analytics is beautiful, burn more - here I am serious.
5. One thing you forgot to mention, the downing of a Russian aircraft with your own weapons will be the end of Putin’s career, if everything is as you think.

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

With difficulty, but mastered, laconicism is not included in the list of your talents, or at least add humor so that it is easier to read, but informative of course :)

If you want to laugh, read Damantseva.

Quote: Voletsky

Where does the info about f-35 come from ?!

What is not clear to you about the F-35A?

Quote: Voletsky

You know ? or do you think this is the case? Simple - these are two big differences.

What exactly do you disagree with?

Quote: Voletsky

I read a number of similar articles, and you propose to trust you?

Regarding faith - this is in the Russian Orthodox Church.

Quote: Voletsky

The analytics is beautiful, burn more - here I am serious

Thanks! But I do not need anyone's advice!

[Voltsky]

Damantseva read a couple of times, not funny;
Where did I say that I disagree on something? The question was you know or think that everything is exactly the same, Analytics is.
And I did not give you advice either.
I don’t understand where the information about the F-35 flyby comes from.

Quote: Bongo

At the same time, among the aircraft participating in the S-400 flyby near Ankara, miraculously, F-35A fighters suddenly appeared, which are not included in the Turkish Air Force.

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

I read Damantseva a couple of times, not funny

Someone like ... I sometimes can not help laughing.

Quote: Voletsky

The question was you know or think that everything is exactly the same, Analytics is.

Everything set forth in this publication is partly taken from publicly available materials (mostly English), partly based on personal knowledge.

Quote: Voletsky

And I did not give you advice either.

The term "burn" is usually not used in constructive dialogue.

Quote: Voletsky

I don’t understand where the information about the F-35 flyby comes from.

There were no overflights of the F-35A, and indeed it could not be. However, shortly before my publication, VO published an article by Damantsev, where he, in complete surrealism, stated the opposite.

Quote: Voletsky

you forgot to mention one more thing, the downing of a Russian plane with your own weapon will be the end of Putin’s career, if everything is as you think.

Will not... Kiselyov and Solovyov will explain to the people that Putin is not to blame.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Bongo

Someone like ... I sometimes can not help laughing.

By and large, you write in one area, and therefore you can better see where he built the moons there. If he wrote about politics or economics, I might as well have laughed.

Quote: Bongo

The term "burn" in constructive dialogue usually not used.

Well, since there weren’t any F-35 flights, and how do you say that they couldn’t be, why did you write this in your article, and now refer to Monsieur Damantsev? It just casts some shadow on what you wrote, that is, the fact that you are referring to an unverified Old, which you yourself do not believe. But given your profile as an author of articles mainly about air defense, it’s hard for me to add anything because the disparate baggage of knowledge in this matter.

Kiselyov, on the other hand, seems to be engaged in seedlings in retirement, I won't say anything about Solovyov, he is an epileptic like "Kamikaze Di", a very unpleasant passenger. Here they will not say anything, or rather, whatever they say, it will not help: But of course, heads will fall, not Putin, but other people, the guilty will certainly be found and punished, of course

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

Well, since there weren’t any F-35 flights, and how do you say that they couldn’t be, why did you write this in your article, and now refer to Monsieur Damantsev?

Perhaps you missed it, but after you wrote on the VO that Turkish F-400A took part in the overflight of the S-35, there was a "hat-gun" in the comments, and I just could not help but be banned about this. By the way, none of the "uryakovshikh" about the F-35A, did not comment on my publication.

Quote: Voletsky

It just casts some shadow on what you wrote, that is, the fact that you are referring to an unverified Old, which you yourself do not believe.

You may not have noticed, but regarding the possibility of flying S-400 Turkish F-35A I wrote in a critical tone.

Quote: Voletsky

But given your profile as an author of articles mainly about air defense, it’s hard for me to add anything because the disparate baggage of knowledge in this matter.

Nevertheless, a great deal is publicly available, and comrade Gregory_45 is for the most part right. Are you curious how the export S-300PMU differs from our S-300PS combatant?

Quote: Voletsky

Kiselyov seems to be engaged in seedlings in retirement, I will not say anything about Solovyov, he is an epileptic like "Kamikaze Di", a very unpleasant passenger.

Frankly, I’m not looking at zombies for many years. And these characters cause me to gag.

[Voltsky]

The criticality of the tone in the text ?! It's like "don't yell at me in all caps?" Let's not forgeries, I don't like clinging to words if they don't pay me for it. Otherwise, we will get to the point that you are not you, and the house is not yours, and in general you are a victim of circumstances :)

And yes, maybe I missed what you had with the F-35 and the hat gun, because I only speak here about Kipesh in the Middle East and sometimes even read, but only stories :)

Thank you, but no, I don’t have much interest in reading the tones of the text about the differences between the S-300 modifications, but if you write briefly I will be grateful

About the zombies, are you talking about the TV ?! It’s just that the Internet only allows you to choose the garbage that will be placed in your head, but it does not mean that there is less garbage :)
And yes, professional propagandists should evoke such feelings, the more critical a person thinks, the more difficult it is for him to perceive outright nonsense.

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

The criticality of the tone in the text ?! It's like "don't yell at me in all caps?" Let's not forgeries, I don't like clinging to words if they don't pay me for it. Otherwise, we will get to the point that you are not you, and the house is not yours, and in general you are a victim of circumstances :)

And yes, maybe I missed what you had with the F-35 and the hat gun, because I only speak here about Kipesh in the Middle East and sometimes even read, but only stories :)

Article "Delivery of S-400 air defense systems to Turkey: possible consequences." went not by itself, but as part of a cycle dedicated to the air defense of Turkey. Perhaps you should have familiarized yourself with previous publications?

Quote: Voletsky

about the differences between the modifications of the S-300, but if you write briefly I will be grateful

In PM

[Voltsky]

Are you kidding me ?! You gave a link, I read it, and now you say that it was a series of articles and you suggest that I get acquainted with all this so that I can make sure that you are not using forgeries? :)

Thank you all, I went, there was a fascinating polemic, I emphasized a lot for myself, but you need to tear your claws until you start insisting on familiarizing yourself with all your publications.

and in PM yes, discard please so kindly, with pleasure I will get acquainted :)

[Bongo]

Quote: Voletsky

Are you kidding me ?! You gave a link, I read it, and now you say that it was a series of articles and you suggest that I get acquainted with all this so that I can make sure that you are not using forgeries?

You are the first to accuse me of forgery In general, the conversation initially went about the S-400 delivered to Turkey, you started talking about the F-35A.

Quote: Voletsky

but you have to tear the claws until you started to insist on familiarizing yourself with all your publications.

Given the fact that today there are exactly 500 of them in VO, I dare not insist. But the Turkish air defense cycle, I’m sure you can handle it. At the end of each publication there are active links to previous ones.

[viber]

Perhaps the Turks fired a rocket.

[shoroh]

Tomorrow everything will calm down. They will call Erdogan, he will show that he is a cool pepper and everything will stabilize again.

[swzero]

But why should Su24 fly at such heights at which it is within reach of the MANPADS?

[Thrifty]

swzero - not all of his weapons are precision-guarded, especially since the Turks are in the positions of the Syrian army, they need jewelry work in order not to hit the Syrians.

[Dude]

Quote: swzero

But why should Su24 fly at such heights at which it is within reach of the MANPADS?

Well, that’s how it is intended to work, including from a low height.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: swzero

But why should Su24 fly at such heights at which it is within reach of the MANPADS?

for precision striking. Apparently, they fly with "ordinary cast iron", and, I would not be surprised, with NAR units. And that means low heights.

[Voltsky]

1. I would not recommend that the Russian speakers go to rest in Turkey in the near future in order to avoid getting to know the local radical-minded punks :)
2. there will be nothing between Turkey and Russia (the forces of the parties are different and the potential benefits and risks are simply not comparable)

[cniza]

According to recent reports, Russia called on Ankara to stop supporting gangs in Idlib province and to refuse to transfer arms to them.

The Sultan bit a bit or continues to puff out his cheeks.

[Sarcasm]

I liked the picture with the sofa on the crawler, etc. Sorry, not strong in such battles, it is more interesting what to discuss in other areas.
Not special and obviously I even open the gate in the General Staff not rank BUT ...

Turkey is VERY confident in itself now, putting a conditional ultimatum to Assad in fact to us and once again calling us to abandon the continuation of the offensive or, more precisely, to support Assad and pro-Iranian groups. Erdogan held consultations at all levels, received approval and enlisted the support of most of the forces in the country to launch a full-scale military operation in Syria. At the same time, such a "trifle" draws attention to itself, in response to the muttering of the starry and striped about the support of Turkey as an ally and partner in NATO, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu calmly told his American counterparts, they say they are interested in the support of the States in general as a partner and on an equal footing , and not momentary and in fact in spite of Russia. It is understandable that the Turks also held consultations with the Amers, but all the same, the fact that they are really ready and confident in themselves attracts themselves.

But I repeat once again, the Turks urge us to the last, or rather our masters, to negotiate. Our gentlemen, who have not been comrades for a long time, still hope to be in time and present the Turks with a fait accompli and negotiate in the future from new positions, and believe that this is possible. The Turks make it clear that this does not suit them completely, that there is a clear deadline, Erdogan clearly said that by the end of February, "Assad's troops" must withdraw, otherwise the Turkish army will throw back the pro-Assad forces and it is not a fact that until the previous line of contact, but as if not to Damascus. The local regulars and our gentlemen are talking blah-blah about the neo-Ottoman manners and claims of Erdogan. I don’t know, again, not an expert, but Erdogan personally doesn’t give the impression of a presumptuous upstart, he was a rather tough pragmatist The states were twisting on that very same one, and our gentlemen were clearly not starry striped, there were opportunities, there was a response for the Su-24 and the Turks made conclusions and prepared for similar scenarios in the future.

In short, IMHO, Erdogan is not bluffing and our gentlemen are hoping in vain that he will play the scenario of staging the Turks before the fact. The Turks are ready in full and there will be war if the Turks and our gentlemen do not agree. Who will the war be with is also a question, or our chukhnuv that did not pass the naive scenario will leave the "Assad army" to itself in a conflict with the Turkish army and give the command to the people to sit out at the bases while the Turks grind the Irnats and the Syrian guest, and then again run to negotiate, or we will climb in and there it is already incomprehensible what we hope for - objectively Khmeimim with its aircraft and air defense forces is weak, against a normal army with strong air forces this is nothing, which means that if you push it, it means entering into a full-fledged conflict with the NATO country. In the latter case, it is possible, theoretically, what the "strategists" are dreaming about, to besiege the Turks with several strikes of tactical nuclear weapons simultaneously showing teeth and iron eggs to the Europeans, and the threat of a nuclear strike simply paralyzes them, they just quickly moved away from the Cold War and forgotten, BUT this is what what will happen next? ... We can also create a precedent when nuclear powers will use low-power Yao without unleashing a global war, not the fact that this is to our advantage, but we can essentially start the Third World War and end the existence of this either a ball, or pears flying in orbit around a yellow dwarf, which anyway sooner or later 3,14sets. One thing I will repeat myself is clear, as long as, in any case, such a confident impression is created - the Turks are not bluffing. So we stock up on popcorn, God forbid, coffins, and we'll take a look.

[Smoke]

So ours do not bluff either .... war means war, we Russians are the lords of this planet

[Sarcasm]

Um, I won’t tell you about the planet, but I’m already straining it at home ... the Far East and Siberia are empty, and whoever is clearly not lords there, I think about Moskvobad it’s not worth raising a discussion.
In fact, an endangered nation, the only thing that does not allow it to die and disappear completely is Russian culture, but its carriers are increasingly Russified representatives of other indigenous peoples of the country and not only.
So there are NO reasons and grounds for such high-profile statements. In the Russian family, for the most part, there are one, at most two children, and there should be 5, taking into account the current demographic situation, but only how to feed them, when the lords in the country are completely different.
I’ll make a reservation, it’s not about nationalism and the other shaved-headed haze, I’m not Russian myself, BUT ... The disappearance, reduction, moral or cultural degradation of the titular nation will lead to the disappearance of the country. The last census was obviously pulled, in any case, in my case, pointing out Russians, Tatars' neighbors, albeit Russified, but not baptized at all, etc., and what to do next? ... Moreover, to arrange a war and even drive in the land of a dozen other thousand young men and all, write is gone.

[Nastia makarova]

a dozen will not do, hundreds or shame, and also hundreds of thousands

[RideMaster]

What nonsense you write, by golly. Need to write - calibrate all the Turks! Death to Erdogan! Air force forward !!!

[Zaits]

Quote: Sarkazm

Turkey is VERY confident in itself now setting an ultimatum on conditionally Assad upon us ...
and secured the support of most of the forces in the country ...

Did he also enlist the support of the Kurds?

Now Turkey can be sure of only one thing - they won’t come to bring Erdogan straight tomorrow. Such a political space is cleaned up qualitatively. But not yet evening. Turkey, as there was a bunch of internal and external problems, remained. This bunch was just driven into the far corner, but you still have to rake it.

Quote: Sarkazm

But once again, the Turks to the last call us, or rather our masters, to negotiate.

Agree on the interests of the Turks to the detriment of their own?

Quote: Sarkazm

The Turks make it clear that this does not suit them completely, that there is a clear deadline, Erdogan clearly said that "Assad's troops" must withdraw by the end of February, otherwise ...

It was made clear to the Turks long ago that if they do not stop pumping weapons into their militants, this will not suit us at all. Regardless of the timing and situations. And Erdogan was clearly told that "Assad's troops" are on their territory, in contrast to the Turkish troops. It seems that the Turks did not understand, the militants, with the active participation of the Turkish troops, began to stir, Assad replied, our VKS reminded the Turks ...

Quote: Sarkazm

was the answer for the Su-24 and the Turks made conclusions

This is not yet an answer. They got off with tomatoes and a slight startle. And the debt is not paid off.
According to the current situation, it is very likely that they did not draw any conclusions. Do you seriously think that we have no other arguments besides tomato?

Quote: Sarkazm

In short, IMHO, Erdogan does not bluff

Of course it’s not bluffing. He simply decided to plug another hole, trying to understand whether they would give it or not. After all, the Americans allowed the number with the Syrian Kurds, while obviously at the expense of their own interests.

Quote: Sarkazm

objectively Khmeimim with his planes and air defense forces is weak ...
besiege the Turks with several strikes of tactical nuclear weapons ...
BUT what will happen next?

Yes Yes. Or tomatoes, or a vigorous loaf, but in general we are weak and miserable ...
In fact, this world is much more diverse. And in terms of answers too.
And politics is a terribly muddy thing, and sometimes it works better than tactical nuclear weapons.

[Radical]

Quote: snifer

I understand you write from the trench?

... on the boot of a murdered friend ....

[opuonmed]

Turkey to help the barmaley it is necessary to crush the Russian Federation aviation I hope Turkey will not do it if it does then it is necessary to respond strongly so that whoever entered Syria doesn’t leave it

[Prahlad]

Cucumbers will also be banned for tomatoes. This is the most realistic answer that Russia can afford.

[opuonmed]

so we’ll see what happens I hope this doesn’t reach

[Igor Aviator]

Quote: Prahlad

This is the most realistic answer that Russia can afford.

Don’t worry about Russia! Better worry about your Faberge!

[Sapsan136]

Personally, I have already stopped buying Turkish products and this is forever ... I have not bought Georgian products for many years ... and I'm not the only one ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Prahlad

This is the most real answer.

Some kind of dumb program - apparently, they have not updated for a long time, the owner completely launched it.

[Dimon71]

Those who control the sky control Idlib. And on earth, Assad has waved quite a bit. He has hurricanes and tornadoes. One volley and 60 hectares in the dust. The sun. Points and so on. By the way, the Turks can send the fourth generation F16 to the sky. visible on both Vegas and Baks, not to mention the c300 and armor. Yes and Assad’s army has been fighting for 8 years and learned something. And the Turks didn’t fight either!

[Sergei 23]

Again we put the wrong lad !!! His skin wasn’t worth it, and they have so-so tomatoes.

[Igor Aviator]

Quote: Sergey 23

Again we put the wrong lad!

Let me tell you a secret - we didn't bet on it! There is simply a "game of contradictions" (checks and balances). The game is "long-term", and the result in the foreseeable future may be (and sometimes should be) clearly not visible. This is where GDP is very strong. Since the "lad" is a player from the camp of the enemy - (Yankees + NATO), some tensions and problems are very possible. All this is natural and predictable, like the current "bang" Erdogan. Sooner or later, such a situation SHOULD arise for quite objective reasons - the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation and Turkey cannot coincide. More important is how our President uses this situation, and what measures will be taken to pacify the raging Nazis in the Ottoman camp. In any case, I understand that our guys are at great risk. On the other hand, this is their job - to defend their homeland. I really hope that Erdogan will not raise rates and exacerbate the situation before the conflict - I do not think that this will be beneficial to him.

[huntsman650]

Tomatoes rose across the throat, Tourette)))

[andrew42]

One thing is clear - the Turks are morally ready for a direct clash with the Russian contingent. Therefore, ours need to be ready for the most effective retaliatory strike, with all that is, really without snot. There will be no second way to defend yourself. If you slow down and move back, everything will roll to Damascus, all the successes of several years will be lost both for Assad and for Russia, and there will be much more casualties during the retreat. The fight has already begun, and you cannot turn away from the enemy, otherwise they stumble. We did not choose this, it was the Turks who chose to fight together with the barmaley. Barmaley will attack, the Turks will cover them with fire and special forces. Sadly, we are not strong enough in Syria, but as Mowgli said, "Now we can only fight."

[Sarcasm]

Question FOR WHICH ARE YOU READY TO SACRIFY BY NON ONE THOUSAND OF YOUR Fellow Citizens, Your Brother, Son, Yourself In The End? For the sake of what ideals, ideas, what will it bring to the Motherland, your family, relatives, relatives, what will bring the country in general, what political and, accordingly, economic dividends?
Everything about security is clear, they poured all the frostbitten ones there, then successively destroyed these or those "Caucasian" and "Central Asian" battalions, it is clear that not all were completely brought out to the root, but for the most part. What else do we need in Syria and why are you ready for sacrifices? You have an oil refinery there, will you get that from gas (what remains of the plundered is less than the cost of the war), Z-A-Ch-E-M? Or is life so lost that there is simply nothing to live for and nothing to cherish and nothing to lose? ...

[Nastia makarova]

if you retreat then other countries will attack us !!!! the same Ukraine will decide to war with the Donbas, Georgia will climb to the south again. Ostetia and Abkhazia

[Uncle Izya]

Yes, this is probably not the first time they are trying to shoot down, this topic rarely pops up in the media

[andrew42]

I’ve only been interested in the last 2 years: do our citizens have brains, who traveled and are going to rest in Turkey, and even some with their children. The way the Turks know how to cut, it is only blindly deaf I have not heard.

[kiril1246]

Go ahead, give Tel Aviv !!!!

[Krasnodar]

Eilat - TA beach, but not a fig not tourist)).

[Voltsky]

Quote: Gregory_45

deprived of full-time Russian combat control equipment and determination of state affiliation.
[/ b].

Damn ... :) And what is written here ?! I just read that the export version for Turkey does not install a friend-or-foe system of the Russian Federation. At least the basics of law taught you at the university ?! For now I wanted to speak out about you, or conclude a contract with you, so that you would draw up a contract, because the nonsense in the document in case of problems is in favor of the one who did not draw up the contract.

"It is a priori not Russian because it is a Turkish system; but it was installed by Russian experts, and installed as it should, and not as the Turks want."

[Blue fox]

My opinion. The Kurds, by chance, suddenly should have a lot of ATGMs and MANPADS, not Russian, but, say, Chinese, French, etc. production and modern communications.

[God save the king]

The Kurds are still a weather vane, if today they are pumped with weapons against the Turks, then tomorrow they can start using it against our allies.

[Nastia makarova]

Kurds and so pumped up with American weapons

[Goral]

Oh, how cute and beautiful! The Turks (Russians), in their "just" anger over the death of their "peacekeepers", are forcing the "unbelted" Syrians (Georgians) to peace, trying to free their homeland from incomprehensible bandit formations (separatist enclaves of Ossetians and Abkhazians in Georgia).

The analogies are simply from under Xerox, but if in the case of Georgia Russia acted as Turkey and the barmalei (Ossetians, Abkhazians) were ours, then in Syria we are clean and tidy ?!

[God save the king]

Well, it’s normal, now we’ll put the Turks in a stall, then we will agree with the Kurds and Syria will be ours.
There is a better option, if the sultan starts to bull, then Russia will simply be obliged to return Constantinople along with the straits to their native harbor.

[Goral]

Yeah, that is, it's normal when in Georgia, under the guise of alleged peacekeeping, we take local barmaley separatists under protection and chop off territories, and in Syria we sharply stand up for the defense of the central government and take all measures for the unity and indivisibility of the country ... This is called hypocrisy and duplicity. not "normal".

[God save the king]

This is called hypocrisy and duplicity, not "normal"

All right, so what? We had very good teachers represented by our Western "partners". Live with wolves, howl like a wolf.
Not so long ago, in our country, it was also customary to firmly believe in a free market, an honest international court, equality of rights, but the reality turned out to be much simpler and harsher, so you have to act in your own interests.

[Goral]

Howl like a wolf? This is who rushing all the fibers to the west :-))) in the 90s this damned West saved your country from hunger and financial turmoil. This West also helped you to collect nuclear weapons from all the corners of the former USSR (to the trouble of Ukraine) :-)) And on you - an ungrateful wolf was raised. Thank you for even talking to you. They will conquer the wolf - then you certainly will not seem sweet. Slowly harnessed ...

[anykin]

Quote: Goral

we take local barbarians to protect and chop off the territory, and in Syria we stand up for the defense of the central government

In both cases, we help those who were attacked. As a result, the attackers shout, And why.

[Goral]

Yeah, in both cases, who was attacked. It was you who attacked Georgia. Georgia has not encroached on a single meter of Russian territory. But under your wings, in the center and in the west of Georgia, you created "Idlib" gadyushniks (Abkhaz-Ossetian barmaley), raised and nurtured them, and when, by definition, a kirdyk was supposed to come to them, shit on everything broke into a neighbor's house. All neighbors and allies have lost the clever ones - they still wonder why they are all alone in their wolfish hair

[anykin]

You welcomed the Khattabs. Got Game

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Goral

This is called hypocrisy and duplicity, not "normal".

this is called "doing what we think is necessary and at our discretion" !!! when Georgia and other sub-states will grow up to such opportunities, let them go to the checkout for the next ....... !!!
PS ... Georgia, let him say thanks, that they saved the state after their war crimes in 2008 !!!

[Goral]

That's right, each wedge will have its own crowbar, each nail its own hammer :-))) Georgia, like other "non-states", will sooner or later find itself under a reliable umbrella, and your overgrown state will have, to put it mildly, an unfriendly environment along the entire perimeter of the borders. It's almost like that. You still have to disentangle the shit that your bald man has brewed in foreign and domestic politics. Under-states stock up on popcorn :-)))

Ps. well done, compared Russia with Georgia :-)) this is mega, archie, to defeat the 4 millionth country from above. There is nothing more to be proud of :-)))

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Goral

each scrap has its own scrap, each hammer has its own hammer :-)))

pralno ... when you find, then come up !!! and not the fact that then Russia will be so supportive of you !!!

Quote: Goral

around the perimeter of the borders there will be, to put it mildly, an unfriendly environment

live, beggars, at our expense, also bark !!!

Quote: Goral

Understates are stocked with popcorn :-)))

you there, so that while the stock is being made, the territories have not fallen off of you !!!

Quote: Goral

Ps. well done, compared Russia with Georgia :-)) this is mega, archie, to defeat the 4 millionth country from above. There is nothing more to be proud of :-)))

Well, you are proud that you practically defeated Russia in 2008 !!

[Go to the]

We must first "pile" on the Turks ........ and then figure it out, say ..... oh and we didn't think that we were already in Turkey .....

[nakhtigalsif]

Quote: rotkiv04

As I understand it, this is your workplace

Rothkiv04, you really are a little dumb. From the very first comment. Think over everything you stuck with your finger, and if you were not understood correctly, explain what you wanted to express exactly with your comments ...

[for]

For the sake of ambition to sell gas and weapons, they got what they got.

[fk7777777]

Yes, the guys were lucky that they hadn’t yet been blundered by the oncoming one, it’s very wrong that drones are not used, moreover, in large numbers, and when interacting with airplanes.

[fk7777777]

Well, as an option, use the Aglosaxon scenario, just ruin Turkey from the inside, and extract your buns. Simpler and cheaper. There who just does not profit from them ...

[Alexey G]

The second time to bring down our SU 24 will not work! They have a protection system on them now!

[huntsman650]

Antivirus?)

[STORM 12]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: rotkiv04

It's time calibrate the barmalei, and at the same time the Turks

How easy it is to scatter slogans and calls, sitting on the couch, collecting likes. Well, take it, go and do what you think is "long overdue", "as long as possible", "for how long" ... To knock on the keyboard is not to sit in a trench.

What about you? local Lenin or something

[Zaits]

Quote: Goral

Yeah, that is, it's normal when in Georgia, under the guise of alleged peacekeeping, we take local barmaley separatists under protection and chop off territories, and in Syria we sharply stand up for the defense of the central government and take all measures for the unity and indivisibility of the country ... This is called hypocrisy and duplicity. not "normal".

Ahh, so you are not aware of what appeared earlier, the slogan "Georgia - for Georgians" or, according to your definition, "barmaley separatists"? And by the way, were these "barmaley separatists" going to Tbilisi to kill Georgians, or vice versa?
Something I did not hear about the fighting of the Separs in Tbilisi or its environs.

But in Syria, it was the pro-Turkish militants, along with the IS and all evil spirits, who went to kill Assad and all who did not like it. Who did not like the Kurds, who are Christians, and who are all in a row. Received in wort and still can not calm down. And then the Turkish uncle promised to personally fit in ...

[Lamata]

Citizens, to whom I have overly sharply and emotionally answered, I apologize.

[Nikolay73]

Glad for our guys!

[ser56]

I wonder if the EW / laser system worked or was it a pure maneuver?

[Volga073]

Something again, Russia again mumbles ..
Uncle Vova is talking about peace, and Russian soldiers are already being killed.