Australian law enforcement authorities confirmed the leak of data in the case of MH17

Australian law enforcement authorities confirmed the leak of data in the case of MH17

As previously reported, reporters published on Bonanza Media documents on the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing in the sky over the Donbass. Documents citing intelligence from the Kingdom of the Netherlands indicated that none of the anti-aircraft missile systems were found in the strike zone on MH17. The reports stated that the Dutch side knew about the location of the air defense systems in the conflict zone.


A few days later, confirmation of information appeared that a data leak had occurred during the investigation. Thus, the German journalist Billy Six, communicating with law enforcement agencies in Australia, found that the documents previously published on Bonanza Media are directly related to the investigation. These documents were available to the JIT investigation team and the Australian police. Recall that on board the downed MH17 were including Australian citizens.

Sixx's transcript of a conversation with Australian law enforcement officials said that they confirmed the presence of witnesses who saw Ukrainian combat aircraft in the sky in the Grabovo area a few minutes before the Boeing crashed. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft, or about fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Recall that the beginning of March is scheduled for the first court hearing on this high-profile case. At the same time, the Dutch prosecutor’s office declared three Russians and one citizen of Ukraine accused. Among the accused is the notorious Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov.
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  1. kupitman 20 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    Some strange fuss is going on around this business, it seems that several groups are fighting with different views on the MH17 process
    1. dik-nsk 20 February 2020 10: 38 New
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      yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system
      1. Zaurbek 20 February 2020 12: 04 New
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        The BukM1 rocket exploded ..... a bunch of evidence ..... a photo of Ukrainian positions with Bukami was ....
        1. NIKN 20 February 2020 14: 28 New
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          Just because leaks in such cases do not occur, there is some kind of stuffing and preparation for something. For all the time, nothing has flowed here on you either. Either we planned a smooth departure from the initial version and clean our heels, like we all knew, we did everything right and waited for concrete evidence ... Or they stir up something new, well, for example, they pretend to be guilty like Ukraine and that they’ll come to court witnesses allegedly will only be proof, but in fact they will close it there ... And they will report to the sponsors that all the money has been worked out. In general, for me it’s not muddy for children.
          1. krot 20 February 2020 14: 36 New
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            For the Sumerians, another "oops" laughing
            1. Shurik70 20 February 2020 18: 47 New
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              The fact that the plane was hit by a Buk missile, and it’s registered with the armament of Ukraine, is a fact. Made public. Proven.
              And suddenly such “leaks”. Beech was not there. And the bears dragged the rocket from Siberia. In general, the plane was shot down over Tula, and managed to hold out to Ukraine, moving away from Russian fighters.
          2. Tatyana 20 February 2020 15: 02 New
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            Quote: kupitman
            Some strange fuss is going on around this business, it seems that several groups are fighting with different views on the MH17 process

            Nothing strange! For shot down Malaysian Boeing Ukraine with the filing of Washington. And they need to evade responsibility for this crime, dumping his blame on Russia, not involved in the tragedy.

            And it was not just a provocation of Ukraine / USA against Russia, but it was Washington’s attempt by Ukraine’s hands on the Presidential Airport 1 of the Russian Federation, on which Putin was supposed to fly from abroad when he returned to Russia.
            Ukrainians simply identified as airliners. The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar. The Presidential Russian airliner only has 4 engines, while the Malaysian one has only 2. The Ukrainian pilot Voloshin reported this error when he became close to the Malaysian Boeing.
            See details on video from 5:00 minutes

            ATTEMPT ON PUTIN: Kiev wanted to kill Putin, but shot down MH17. Posted Jun 4 2019 year
        2. Cananecat 21 February 2020 00: 37 New
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          Everything is elementary ...
          Dialogue of two presidents, Ukraine and the Netherlands.
          Mon Your combat aircraft shot down our airliner !!!
          PU Neither choked !!!
          Mon We have a leak, your planes shot down !!!
          PU Yak leak, if we zbil your litak BEECH? !!
      2. DRM
        DRM 20 February 2020 12: 39 New
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        Quote: dik-nsk
        yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system

        “Our MO” for 5 years has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also somehow not credible.
        1. Olgovich 20 February 2020 13: 21 New
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          Quote: DRM

          “Our MO” for 5 years has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also somehow not credible.

          The Defense Ministry absolutely clearly and correctly stated the following: Ukraine is guilty, because sent a plane over the battlefield.

          Would the volcano be to blame for the crash if the plane was sent over it?
        2. major147 20 February 2020 13: 29 New
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          Quote: DRM
          “Our MO” for 5 years has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also somehow not credible.

          I recall an event not so long ago, but now apparently forgotten.
          Our Defense Ministry distributed video frames that "showed" the presence of US units in Syria controlled by militants. A screech came up on the Internet, they say a video from some kind of game, MO "lohanul", hee hee, ha ha and so on. The Americans also giggled sarcastically that no US units were there. The Moscow Region asked again: “definitely not?”, They replied that for sure. And the Moscow Region drove a bunch of Bowiks with amezky allies to dust! And then, as they say - claims are not accepted!
    2. private person 20 February 2020 12: 01 New
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      Some kind of strange fuss is going on around this business.

      Well, yes, they allegedly found fragments from the Buk M1 missile, which was shot down by this airliner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9А310М1 missile, which was fired during the alliance and was in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even had a batch number. And now, it turns out that there were no air defense systems nearby and there were airplanes.
      1. Zaurbek 20 February 2020 12: 05 New
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        Yes, there are too many defeats for an aircraft missile .... and, probably, the entire cabin and corpses are crammed with fragments.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke 20 February 2020 19: 37 New
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          Quote: private person
          ... allegedly found fragments from a Buk M1 missile which was shot down by this airliner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9А310М1 missile, which was fired during the alliance and was in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even had a batch number. And now, it turns out that there were no air defense systems nearby and there were airplanes.

          Quote: Zaurbek
          Yes, there are too many defeats for an aircraft missile .... and, probably, the entire cabin and corpses are crammed with fragments.

          Ukrainians fired on the fall area for several days.
          Not an expert, therefore, an amateurish question: is it possible to cover a ground target from Buk (and, accordingly, deliver rocket fragments there)?
          1. Zaurbek 20 February 2020 22: 32 New
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            On a rocket of any explosive, ready-made striking elements ... cubes, balls, twigs, etc. and you won’t get anywhere ... as well as the features of rocket detonation near certain places at the target .... and certain segments of the expansion of fragments.
      2. Leon68 20 February 2020 19: 28 New
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        And who are these, who
        Quote: private person
        allegedly found fragments from a Buk M1 missile which was shot down by this airliner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9А310М1 missile launched during the alliance and were in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine even had a production lot number
        - do not tell? The Dutch requested - ours was given to them at their request. And by the fragments from the rocket - they found two or three striking elements (just that!), Which already causes great doubt when the aircraft were hit by an air defense missile, plus the acts where they were found in this case there is no investigation from the word at all.
        1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 07: 14 New
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          Where is it written that they found 2 or 3 or 4 fragments?
    3. Pete mitchell 20 February 2020 12: 46 New
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      Quote: kupitman
      Some strange fuss goes around this ....

      Why is it strange? The task is to adjust the result to a given one at all costs. It seems to me that now verbiage will be even more than in previous years
    4. Den717 20 February 2020 12: 53 New
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      Quote: kupitman
      Some kind of strange fuss is going on around this business.

      It’s easy and simple to tell the truth. A lie is almost always difficult to present. It is necessary to hide all the "ears" and "sewed", what are the problems.
    5. musketon64 20 February 2020 15: 17 New
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      Look from 29:30. Maybe here is the solution to the leak? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmCAxEStlFI
  2. Pavel73 20 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    This is a deliberate information leak. Preparation of public opinion. That there was no effect of an exploding bomb.
    1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 10: 20 New
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      It seems so. So many years, no leaks, and then suddenly, for no reason, when everything was about to open up ... And it is hard to imagine in what form everything will be presented in the end. what
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 20 February 2020 10: 57 New
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        The leaks went, apparently, because the investigation went to court, and the defense began to get acquainted with the case file.
      2. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 11: 43 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        bessmertniy (Victor)

        The fact that the Boeing was shot down by a "beech" already causes no doubt. This Persia was confirmed by Almaz-Antey, and in Holland, at the autopsy, the striking elements of the Buka were discovered.
        Now the question is as follows, in the case of a court, in addition to the direct perpetrators, the country of the Russian Federation itself can be called to account and, accordingly, it cannot be ruled out that the Dutch court can recognize the country as a terrorist by the Russian Federation. And this is not a joke, then such sanctions will follow, against which today is a nursery group d / s.
        Hence, suicides, departures on witness leave, leaks, plums and authorized Russian missions constantly visiting the Netherlands are logical. This case is political in nature, and Politics is not only the art of the possible, but also a big bargain.
        In general, only the court knows what the Dutch court will make, and we will find out after the announcement.
        1. mikh-korsakov 20 February 2020 11: 56 New
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          As far as I know, a private charge has been brought up against three Russians and one Ukrainian. Blame Russia as a state? I’m not sure - the Netherlands takes the second place in export from the Russian Federation because our oil is traded through the Netherlands. Therefore - they will think several times!
          1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 12: 10 New
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            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov (Mikhail)

            If you carefully read my post, then you saw what was written about the "TORG"! And the second point, in the Netherlands a slightly different court. system independent of the authorities. And the third oil trade through the Netherlands has nothing to do with the court decision, it’s our traders in black gold who need to think what to do next, but the Dutch do not need to think, they’re fine, they’ve only died ...
            1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 07: 18 New
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              The courts there are good ... but recently, too, have become watered dependent. Read about the lawsuits of Ukraine with Gazprom and their wording .... but, in any case, we are very far from their (internal) justice. The British, Dutch, Germans - trading nations and treaties and arbitration there have been holy for 600 years ...
        2. private person 20 February 2020 12: 05 New
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          in Holland at autopsy

          What corpses? There are many many parts of the remains of human bodies.
        3. Sergey Averchenkov 20 February 2020 14: 19 New
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          Recognize? Can? Are you all Russian?
    2. Adam Khomich 20 February 2020 10: 41 New
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      The deceased pilot Voloshin, who twice pulled himself in a Bosko and the sixth year the dispatcher Petrenko is on vacation, I hope the Niedergollanders were interrogated during their lifetime or will the court of mediums be invited?
      1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 11: 20 New
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        By the way, isn’t there whether Petrenko spends his vacation, where is Voloshin ?! what Something about her vacation was not reported in the media.
        1. Moon 20 February 2020 13: 13 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          but isn’t there whether Petrenko spends his vacation, where Voloshin

          one Russian channel means it can call to the other world.
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  4. bober1982 20 February 2020 10: 10 New
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    Just like that, there are no information leaks - they are satisfied. The question is, to whom and why is all this necessary.
    Maybe the version with the BUKs itself is "crumbling", so they started to rush about.
    1. Avior 20 February 2020 10: 13 New
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      The version with Buk was actually confirmed by Almaz-Antey, the difference is only in the launch site?
      1. bober1982 20 February 2020 10: 16 New
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        It’s hard to say what if you sit on the couch. Who confirmed what.
        1. Avior 20 February 2020 10: 18 New
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          Almaz Antey announced his findings publicly, you can meet them at least from the couch, even from the armchair, they will not change from this smile
          1. bober1982 20 February 2020 10: 23 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Almaz Antey announced his findings publicly, you can meet them at least from the sofa

            I don’t understand anything in anti-aircraft missile systems, I read the IAC reports carefully.
            1. Adam Khomich 20 February 2020 10: 44 New
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              Does the IAC have any relation to air defense systems? You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma.
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                Quote: Adam Khomich
                Does the IAC have any relation to air defense systems?

                In my specialty (former) I read reports, the meaning of what was said was this.
          2. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 10: 51 New
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            AA confirmed only that in order to receive such damage with a BUK missile, the hit must be “like this”, have “like these damaging elements” and launch the missile accordingly “from here to here”. As a manufacturer and developer, he modeled the version, and did not prove that it was their product that got into the liner.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 February 2020 10: 17 New
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        Maybe there was a double attack? Is it possible?
        1. Avior 20 February 2020 10: 35 New
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          Second per second at the same time, it turns out?
          Something I do not believe in this
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 February 2020 10: 37 New
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            First, the Buka missile, then finished off the air-to-air. Is this possible in principle? I understand that basically everything is possible. But in general, and in this case?
            1. Avior 20 February 2020 11: 18 New
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              After Buk, there was no sense to finish, the plane began to fall apart in the air.
              In addition, the P60 has 3 kg warhead drying, and Buka-warhead missiles have 70 kilograms, you understand the difference
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 February 2020 11: 22 New
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                Thanks for clarifying.
          2. Yngvar 20 February 2020 10: 44 New
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            In the 61st Powers on U-2 over the Urals shot down with two missiles with an interval of about 10 seconds ... And both hit!
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 February 2020 10: 53 New
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              Ah, far from before the ritual viewing of the Taming of Fire! But tradition is tradition.
            2. Avior 20 February 2020 11: 10 New
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              There were a lot of missiles, we hit our plane at the same time, and not just the American
              But then again, all anti-aircraft
            3. ender 20 February 2020 11: 16 New
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              Have you already forgotten about Safronov?
    2. astepanov 20 February 2020 10: 49 New
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      Perhaps, in fact, the investigation knows that Ukraine is directly involved in the death of the plane, but even after many years of lying it is unprofitable to admit it openly. On the other hand, mutual sanctions have already reached everyone, and the confrontation has reached a dangerous limit. So they are preparing the ground: they say, the case is complicated, there is no direct evidence against anyone, you must either continue to pull the rubber, or let the case slip on the brakes ...
      1. Vladimir61 20 February 2020 11: 17 New
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        Quote: astepanov
        On the other hand, mutual sanctions have already reached everyone, and the confrontation has reached a dangerous limit.

        Yes, apparently still not enough ... if the German ambassador to O (o) N, on the 18th, was so crucified that Russia allegedly shot down the Boeing and annexed Crimea.
  5. Operator 20 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Damn, how several days ago all sorts of experts vomited on VO, proving that there can be no leaks from the Dutch - because they are Dutch laughing

    "... ....", - S. Lavrov (C)
    1. bober1982 20 February 2020 10: 26 New
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      Quote: Operator
      arguing that there can be no leakage from the Dutch - because they are Dutch

      It remains to wait for the leak of information from the famous Canadian intelligence.
  6. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Yes, everything is simple. The colors of the flags on board the aircraft of the Russian Federation, the same as that of Malaysian. And at the same time, board number 1 V.V.P. He returned from Europe to Moscow. Hoping to bring him down.
    Fighter (pilot), catching a plane, even saw from behind the wing, what are the similar letters on board? : Russia and
    Malaysia Ie -SIA. Here and shot down UNA-UNSO-VSUshnye terrorists.
    1. Avior 20 February 2020 10: 21 New
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      Do you think they fly from Europe to Moscow through Donetsk? smile
      1. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 10: 24 New
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        ANOTHER VERSION, BUT SIMILAR, MH17, flying the route Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur, supposedly had to collide in the sky over Poland with the Russian "board number 1" of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Putin was just returning from Brazil after a tour of Latin America. “The collision of two aircraft, each of which reached 300 tons, left neither time nor a chance to save the main passenger
        Therefore, the DISPATCHERS of the Dnepropetrovsk air hub disappeared immediately. Meet you.
        1. Avior 20 February 2020 10: 37 New
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          Do you think that flights from Poland were controlled from the Dnieper? smile
        2. mikh-korsakov 20 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          Olya! I do not understand: Where is Poland and where is Donetsk.
      2. rotkiv04 20 February 2020 10: 36 New
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        Board N 1 was then deployed over Poland, and it flew in the same level as the Malaysian Boeing, but with a time difference, that’s the confusion among the Kaklovs
        1. Moon 20 February 2020 13: 17 New
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          Quote: rotkiv04
          Board N 1 was then deployed over Poland, and it flew in the same level as the Malaysian Boeing, but with a time difference, that’s the confusion among the Kaklovs

          Information about flight number 1 over Poland was in the public domain. It was openly said that the territory of Ukraine is absent as a transit on the way to Moscow.
          The theory itself to roll the board is so miserable ... but since simple, it can not be forgotten.
          Hollywood movies have been revised.
    2. Karislav 20 February 2020 10: 30 New
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      there was an hour difference. and the route didn’t fight at all with MH 17 ..
      1. Pavel57 20 February 2020 10: 36 New
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        Departure MH17 was delayed for an hour.
        1. Karislav 20 February 2020 10: 52 New
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          there generally the route was different !!
        2. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 11: 02 New
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          Do you think the personal safety of top officials does not change plans and schedules for the situation?
          From the point of view of conspiracy theories and this version, it is likely that those who organized the provocation themselves "outwitted" and set the wrong side in the target. "If he knows that I know that he knows ..." etc.
          But a direct attempt on the head of state is too much. A more viable version is that they originally wanted to hang on LDNR and the Russian Federation. Here, high-likly is easier (as it seemed to them) to cook up. After all, the beginner is the same record, but the sound is quieter.
        3. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 11: 07 New
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          Indirectly, the impending assassination attempt is indicated by the fact that the departure of MH17 from Amsterdam was delayed - supposedly for synchronization with the IL-96-300 schedule.
          As a result, the case ended in failure - the planes dispersed over Poland with a gap of half an hour. According to the version, “Boeing before departure was modified to ensure a guaranteed interception of flight control by an external control loop and guidance to a given target using automation and remote control.” Because of this, it was allegedly required to destroy the liner - in order to “remove” traces of improvements that would be discovered upon arrival in Malaysia
      2. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 10: 36 New
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        SBU Turchinov and Poroshenko is not the CIA, MI-6 and not the Mossad. All in the spirit of "bang". The error is normal. Within seconds, the plane would enter the borders of the Russian Federation. So they failed.
        And what? Board number 1 reported to AFU and SBU on the schedule of its movement?
    3. Rzzz 20 February 2020 11: 46 New
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      Quote: Olya Tsako
      Fighter (pilot), catching a plane, even saw from behind the wing, what are the similar letters on board?

      Well this is at the kindergarten level at all. Do you think planes attack from such a distance that you can read the letters?
      1. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        Then you are at the nursery level. Even a simple sniper from a distance of 1,5-2 km sees all blackheads on the snobbel of his ordered object. And for pilots, optics are many times more powerful.
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          You tell on some other resource that there the "simple" sniper sees. What I see in PSO-1, I know, tried to shoot from SVD. At 100 meters. laughing, no longer given.
          By the way, the sight is only 4x what you intend to see there, I don’t know.
  7. rocket757 20 February 2020 10: 23 New
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    Six's transcript of a conversation with Australian law enforcement officials said that they confirmed evidence of the presence of witnesses who saw Ukrainian combat aircraft in the sky in the Grabovo area a few minutes before the Boeing crashed. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft or about fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

    If this is true, it turns out completely "cool"!
    True, the COURT can give a shit about any "inconsequential" evidence ...
  8. Karislav 20 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    Bonanza Media is what ?? The chick who did not work before RT lives in Moscow .... A journalist of the Netherlands, of course !!! A true journalist !!! And yet, Diamond Antey means sucks with his field tests ?? what the hell?? soon the version and the fighters will leave, the first will appear, with stale corpses ....
    1. mikh-korsakov 20 February 2020 11: 26 New
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      I am touched by the faith of our people in Western justice. Western justice poses as an objectivity and adherence to the law in minor and anecdotal cases. I remember how our liberals rolled their eyes and drooled with emotion when a lady in the USA condemned a cafe for several hundred thousand dollars because she was served too hot coffee, which she spilled on her pants because of this. Here they are at their best, a skilled lawyer called the judge with tears of tenderness, describing the suffering of the lady. Here, another thing is that it smells like a fall in the reputation of the Russian Federation, plus another opportunity to beg money from the Russian Federation. Therefore, in fact, the only option is - said Girkin, then Girkin. Liberals will object to me, but who in this oasis of democracy dares to point out something to a judge. Yes, no one will indicate. Just in the West, "Every Monsieur Has His Own File." Therefore, if the judge shows independence, it will very quickly turn out to be like the judge carnally living with his young niece and uploading his masturbation to the net. Examples of Tros-Cannes, candidate for mayor of Paris. Candidate. candidate you will never become mayor. So everything is simple.
  9. rotkiv04 20 February 2020 10: 32 New
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    It was not in vain that Voloshin was liquidated, the version with the fighter was the most realistic, it is not clear why Almaz-Antney also started calling out the topic with beech, but the fact that the ukrozopy were hunting overboard N1 was clear from the very beginning, but as the pilot Voloshin said about the Malaysian Boeing - "he turned out to be at the wrong time and in the wrong place, "the lad was mistaken, the wrong side failed
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2020 10: 47 New
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      rotkin04 as in the song “What kind of guy he was ..” (pilot Voloshin) Poor thing ...) Suicide, by law, is not prohibited ....)
    2. certero 20 February 2020 10: 49 New
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      It was found that enough striking elements from beech were enough to sweep away the version by plane
      1. Leon68 20 February 2020 20: 35 New
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        Quite enough - how much? You take an interest first, and then draw a conclusion.
    3. Karislav 20 February 2020 10: 51 New
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      Of course Voloshin .. and the plane is 700 meters on the first channel, he too) !!
    4. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 11: 16 New
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      Quote: rotkiv04
      it’s not clear why Almaz-Antney also began to call the topic with beech

      He answered the question "if the BEECH, then ..." such damage, from such an angle, such damaging elements, the launch from here and from here. He did not draw conclusions, just threw his calculations. I did not see, by the way, that other versions of "high-energy objects" were also worked out in detail to centimeters.
  10. AlexVas44 20 February 2020 10: 33 New
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    ... which Ukrainian combat aircraft saw in the sky in the Grabovo region a few minutes before the Boeing crashed. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft or about fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

    Strange witnesses - the identification marks were seen, but they cannot determine the type of aircraft from the picture. laughing
    1. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 11: 05 New
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      If fuchsia is distinguished from coral, and a Colorado potato beetle from a horse does not mean that they are aviation specialists. Especially when this aircraft strives to throw bombs at you, somehow it’s not time to look at it.
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    whether it will be when Trampushka will be re-elected for a second term. about beloved democrats - curators of ukroreich can open the truth wassat
  12. Pavel57 20 February 2020 10: 35 New
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    This is Trump's fight against the Democrats.
  13. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 20 February 2020 10: 43 New
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    Yes, it turned out to be not a fake, but a real leak. I am very surprised. It’s not that there was something upside down about the official version of the investigation, but after tons of fakeots it was too easy to immediately suspect another fakeota.
    1. Crystal of Truth 20 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      Is there a direct link to the Australians?
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 20 February 2020 15: 02 New
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        I believe the docs look believable since the DSB report contains a very similar statement:

        At the Dutch Safety Board's request, the Dutch Review Committee for the Intelligence
        and Security Services (CTIVD) examined whether the Dutch intelligence and security
        services possessed any information
        that could have been important for the safety of
        flight MH17. The services had no indication that the warring factions intended to shoot
        down civil aeroplanes. The services did not have any information that the groups that
        were fighting against the Ukrainian government in the eastern part of Ukraine possessed
        medium or long-range surface-to-air missiles.


        That is, there really was a request from the investigation and there was a response from the Dutch special services that they did not have information about the presence of Bukovs in the area where MH17 crashed.

        But the search for any today's statements by the Australians really yields nothing - it seems that they were not there.
  14. Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2020 10: 43 New
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    I think that everything is much easier .. The "European Prosecutor" gave the command to tie with the investigation of this case. And immediately the “Netherlands Sledak” began to look for reasons. It is important to save the face and indicators, not to spoil. So Makar, soon and questions "in essence" will begin to ask.
  15. Lamata 20 February 2020 10: 44 New
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    Did the Australians find any witnesses in, in Ukraine, which they saw fighting planes, did they see through a telescope?
    1. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 11: 10 New
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      Can we read? The Australians were in the group, and there they saw witness testimonies, about which they later let slip. That is, the Dutch investigation has information from witnesses on planes in the sky at the time of the disaster. But from Ukraine, confirmations on departures - I doubt the potential defendant pilot killed himself for some reason. The American reconnaissance satellite has classified all its "evidence." And they never learned to draw in Photoshop over the years.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 20 February 2020 11: 46 New
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        It remains to find out why there are no other aircraft near the Boeing on the raw radar data provided by Almaz-Antey.
        1. Leon68 20 February 2020 20: 40 New
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          Here from this place, in more detail. Since when has Almaz-Antey provided radar data, and even raw data, from the civilian flight control sector? Do not pull the owl on the globe of Ukraine.
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 21 February 2020 06: 54 New
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            https://rg.ru/2016/09/22/almaz-antej-peredal-dannye-ob-obstanovke-v-rajone-krusheniia-mh17.html
      2. Lamata 20 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        Have you tried to clarify the testimony? how they saw the planes.
        1. ender 20 February 2020 12: 27 New
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          moreover, in the first pictures from the crash site, strong cloud cover is clearly visible

          1. Lamata 20 February 2020 12: 34 New
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            Witnesses with radars were, at worst, with X-ray apartments))))))))))))))))))
            1. Alex Nevs 20 February 2020 14: 08 New
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              Yes, the buzz was such that a lot of people saw how MH fell. And to see a small plane was not easy, because the focus was on the falling.
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  17. ender 20 February 2020 11: 24 New
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    five years already this "data leak"

    If necessary, then the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not one dozen people ... - if the party orders - the Komsomol will answer - Yes!

    The head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, said that he had witnessed the tragedy that occurred with the Malaysian Boeing 17 on July. He insists that he saw Ukrainian planes in the sky.

    "I saw it with my own eyes. I drove past Shakhtersk. If necessary, the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not a dozen people ... I immediately realized that the Ukrainian planes shot down. We have no aircraft," Zakharchenko emphasized.

    According to him, that day he saw two aircraft near Boeing that flew off, and the passenger airliner crashed, RIA Novosti reported.
    https://www.kp.ru/daily/26325.4/3206790/
    1. purple 20 February 2020 12: 13 New
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      Quote: ender
      five years already this "data leak"

      If necessary, then the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not one dozen people ... - if the party orders - the Komsomol will answer - Yes!

      The head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, said that he had witnessed the tragedy that occurred with the Malaysian Boeing 17 on July. He insists that he saw Ukrainian planes in the sky.

      "I saw it with my own eyes. I drove past Shakhtersk. If necessary, the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not a dozen people ... I immediately realized that the Ukrainian planes shot down. We have no aircraft," Zakharchenko emphasized.

      According to him, that day he saw two aircraft near Boeing that flew off, and the passenger airliner crashed, RIA Novosti reported.
      https://www.kp.ru/daily/26325.4/3206790/

      You’ve been dunked once already ... aren’t you all right?
      Stop writing nonsense. And here is RT and a journalist? Maybe you personally don’t like her ... but what does that change in terms of facts?
      Australia confirmed .. yes. there are documents ...
      All your attempts are ridiculous and ridiculous ... an attempt to move the arrows and that's it.
  18. _Ugene_ 20 February 2020 11: 47 New
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    everything is muddy like if shot down by an explosive rocket, how could it be confused with Buk? the location of the lesion will differ dramatically, there the mass of warheads differs by a factor of 20, however, none of the experts in the world said - you really don’t see that this is a defeat from an explosive rocket and not an air defense system
    1. ender 20 February 2020 12: 10 New
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      - Maybe you can change the nonsense? Asked Berlag cowardly. - What if I will be Emil Zola or Mohammed?
      “Late,” said Kai Julius, “it’s already written in the medical history that you are the Viceroy, and a madman cannot change his mania like socks.” Now all your life you will be in the stupid position of the king. We’ve been sitting here for a week and we know the order (s)


      In Russia, it was initially announced that it had shot down a Ukrainian plane and no “beeches”. No return and exchange. therefore, "leaks" continue to appear in support of this version. but in reality, the dispute is only about where the 9M38M1 rocket was launched from and who is responsible for this launch
  19. purple 20 February 2020 12: 11 New
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    Bonanza Media is what ?? The chick who did not work before RT lives in Moscow .... A journalist of the Netherlands, of course !!! A true journalist !!! And yet, Diamond Antey means sucks with his field tests ?? what the hell?? soon the version and the fighters will leave, the first will appear, with stale corpses ....

    Ukrainians are Ukrainians ....
  20. iouris 20 February 2020 12: 45 New
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    And who proved that in Holland (now the Netherlands - even the state was renamed) an explosive device was not planted in the plane?
  21. orionvitt 20 February 2020 12: 55 New
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    If Russia can technically see a “butterfly flight” over Europe (Voronezh station), then it’s stupid to think that it did not monitor the air situation in the sky over the Donbass, all the more so since it’s very near its border. By the way, she transmitted the data of her radars and maintains complete composure. The fact that there is in this data, everyone is silent, from all sides. And the fact that the data of the Russian radars were not included in the case (with reference to an allegedly incomprehensible standard), this speaks volumes.
  22. 123456789 20 February 2020 13: 48 New
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    Everything secret will become apparent, nothing will be left without retaliation.
    Quidquid latet apparebit, Nil inultum remanebit.m
  23. Victor March 47 20 February 2020 18: 46 New
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    yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system

    “Our MO” for 5 years has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also somehow not credible.

    There may be many versions. Moreover, Russia was suspended from participation in the investigation. A country that was not involved in the disaster, but the suspect (Ukraine) was used for some reason as an investigator, not a person under investigation.
  24. lvov_aleksey 22 February 2020 01: 53 New
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    Forever no one wants to remember about board number 1 from Russia, which was delayed for half an hour !!!