Australian law enforcement authorities confirmed the leak of data in the case of MH17

As previously reported, reporters published on Bonanza Media documents on the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing in the sky over the Donbass. Documents citing intelligence from the Kingdom of the Netherlands indicated that none of the anti-aircraft missile systems were found in the strike zone on MH17. The reports stated that the Dutch side knew about the location of the air defense systems in the conflict zone.

A few days later, confirmation of information appeared that a data leak had occurred during the investigation. Thus, the German journalist Billy Six, communicating with law enforcement agencies in Australia, found that the documents previously published on Bonanza Media are directly related to the investigation. These documents were available to the JIT investigation team and the Australian police. Recall that on board the downed MH17 were including Australian citizens.

Sixx's transcript of a conversation with Australian law enforcement officials said that they confirmed the presence of witnesses who saw Ukrainian combat aircraft in the sky in the Grabovo area a few minutes before the Boeing crashed. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft, or about fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Recall that the beginning of March is scheduled for the first court hearing on this high-profile case. At the same time, the Dutch prosecutor’s office declared three Russians and one citizen of Ukraine accused. Among the accused is the notorious Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov.

Comments

[kupitman]

Some strange fuss is going on around this business, it seems that several groups are fighting with different views on the MH17 process

[dik-nsk]

yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system

[Zaurbek]

The BukM1 rocket exploded ..... a bunch of evidence ..... a photo of Ukrainian positions with Bukami was ....

[NIKN]

Just because leaks in such cases do not occur, there is some kind of stuffing and preparation for something. For all the time, nothing has flowed here on you either. Either we planned a smooth departure from the initial version and clean our heels, like we all knew, we did everything right and waited for concrete evidence ... Or they stir up something new, well, for example, they pretend to be guilty like Ukraine and that they’ll come to court witnesses allegedly will only be proof, but in fact they will close it there ... And they will report to the sponsors that all the money has been worked out. In general, for me it’s not muddy for children.

[krot]

For the Sumerians, another "oops"

[Shurik70]

It is a fact that the plane was hit by a Buk missile registered in service with Ukraine. Made public. Proven.
And suddenly such "leaks". The Buk was not there. And the bears brought the rocket from Siberia. In general, the plane was shot down over Tula, and managed to make it to Ukraine, moving away from Russian fighters.

[Tatyana]

Quote: kupitman

Some strange fuss is going on around this business, it seems that several groups are fighting with different views on the MH17 process

Nothing strange! For shot down Malaysian Boeing Ukraine with the filing of Washington. And they need to evade responsibility for this crime, dumping his blame on Russia, not involved in the tragedy.

And it was not just a provocation of Ukraine / USA against Russia, but it was Washington’s attempt by Ukraine’s hands on the Presidential Airport 1 of the Russian Federation, on which Putin was supposed to fly from abroad when he returned to Russia.
Ukrainians simply identified as airliners. The sizes on the radars of the Malaysian and the Russian presidential airliner are the same, the colors of the airliners are also similar. The Presidential Russian airliner only has 4 engines, while the Malaysian one has only 2. The Ukrainian pilot Voloshin reported this error when he became close to the Malaysian Boeing.
See details on video from 5:00 minutes

ATTEMPT ON PUTIN: Kiev wanted to kill Putin, but shot down MH17. Posted Jun 4 2019 year

[Cananecat]

Everything is elementary ...
Dialogue of two presidents, Ukraine and the Netherlands.
Mon Your combat aircraft shot down our airliner !!!
PU Neither choked !!!
Mon We have a leak, your planes shot down !!!
PU Yak leak, if we zbil your litak BEECH? !!

[DRM]

Quote: dik-nsk

yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system

For 5 years "Our MO" has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also not an authority.

[Olgovich]

Quote: DRM

For 5 years "Our MO" has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also not an authority.

The Defense Ministry absolutely clearly and correctly stated the following: Ukraine is guilty, because sent a plane over the battlefield.

Would the volcano be to blame for the crash if the plane was sent over it?

[major147]

Quote: DRM

For 5 years "Our MO" has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also not an authority.

I recall an event not so long ago, but now apparently forgotten.
Our Defense Ministry distributed video footage that "showed" the presence of US units in Syria controlled by militants. A screeching arose on the Internet, they say, a video from a game, MO "got lost", hee-hee, ha-ha, and so on. The Americans, giggling as maliciously, declared that there were no US units there. The Ministry of Defense was asked: "definitely not?", They answered that exactly. And the Defense Ministry drove into the dust a bunch of boviks with American allies! And then, as they say - no claims are accepted!

[private person]

Some kind of strange fuss is going on around this business.

Well, they allegedly found fragments from a Buk M1 air defense missile system, which was shot down by this liner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9A310M1 missile, released during the Union and in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even had a production batch number. And now here, it turns out that there was an air defense system nearby and there were no planes.

[Zaurbek]

Yes, there are too many defeats for an aircraft missile .... and, probably, the entire cabin and corpses are crammed with fragments.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: private person

... allegedly they found fragments from a Buk M1 air defense missile system, which was shot down by this liner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9A310M1 missile, released during the union and in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even had a production batch number.

Quote: Zaurbek

Yes, there are too many defeats for an aircraft missile .... and, probably, the entire cabin and corpses are crammed with fragments.

Ukrainians fired on the fall area for several days.
Not an expert, therefore, an amateurish question: is it possible to cover a ground target from Buk (and, accordingly, deliver rocket fragments there)?

[Zaurbek]

On a rocket of any explosive, ready-made striking elements ... cubes, balls, twigs, etc. and you won’t get anywhere ... as well as the features of rocket detonation near certain places at the target .... and certain segments of the expansion of fragments.

[Leon68]

And who are these, who

Quote: private person

Allegedly, they found fragments from a Buk M1 air defense missile system, which was shot down by this liner. And even ours gave confirmation that these fragments from the Buk 9A310M1 missile released during the union and in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even the production batch number was

- do not tell? The Dutch requested - ours was given to them at their request. And by the fragments from the rocket - they found two or three striking elements (just that!), Which already causes great doubt when the aircraft were hit by an air defense missile, plus the acts where they were found in this case there is no investigation from the word at all.

[Zaurbek]

Where is it written that they found 2 or 3 or 4 fragments?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: kupitman

Some strange fuss goes around this ....

Why is it strange? The task is to adjust the result to a given one at all costs. It seems to me that now verbiage will be even more than in previous years

[Den717]

Quote: kupitman

Some kind of strange fuss is going on around this business.

It is easy and simple to tell the truth. And it is almost always difficult to present a lie. It is necessary to hide all the "ears" and "sewing", which is the problem.

[musketon64]

Look from 29:30. Maybe here is the solution to the leak? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmCAxEStlFI

[Pavel73]

This is a deliberate information leak. Preparation of public opinion. That there was no effect of an exploding bomb.

[bessmertniy]

It seems so. So many years, no leaks, and then suddenly, for no reason, when everything was about to open up ... And it is hard to imagine in what form everything will be presented in the end.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

The leaks went, apparently, because the investigation went to court, and the defense began to get acquainted with the case file.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bessmertniy

bessmertniy (Victor)

The fact that the Boeing was shot down by the "beech" is no longer in doubt. This Persia was confirmed by Almaz-Antey, and in Holland during the autopsy of the corpses, the striking elements of the "Buk" were found.
Now the question is as follows, in the case of a court, in addition to the direct perpetrators, the country of the Russian Federation itself can be called to account and, accordingly, it cannot be ruled out that the Dutch court can recognize the country as a terrorist by the Russian Federation. And this is not a joke, then such sanctions will follow, against which today is a nursery group d / s.
Hence, suicides, departures on witness leave, leaks, plums and authorized Russian missions constantly visiting the Netherlands are logical. This case is political in nature, and Politics is not only the art of the possible, but also a big bargain.
In general, only the court knows what the Dutch court will make, and we will find out after the announcement.

[mikh-korsakov]

As far as I know, a private charge has been brought up against three Russians and one Ukrainian. Blame Russia as a state? I’m not sure - the Netherlands takes the second place in export from the Russian Federation because our oil is traded through the Netherlands. Therefore - they will think several times!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

mikh-korsakov (Mikhail)

If you carefully read my post, you would see what was written about the "TORG"! And the second point, there is a slightly different court in Holland. a system that does not depend on the government's wishes. And the third oil trade through Holland has nothing to do with the court decision, it's our gaskets, the black gold traders need to think about what to do next, but the Dutch don't need to think, everything is fine with them, only people died ...

[Zaurbek]

The courts there are good ... but recently, too, have become watered dependent. Read about the lawsuits of Ukraine with Gazprom and their wording .... but, in any case, we are very far from their (internal) justice. The British, Dutch, Germans - trading nations and treaties and arbitration there have been holy for 600 years ...

[private person]

in Holland at autopsy

What corpses? There are many many parts of the remains of human bodies.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Recognize? Can? Are you all Russian?

[Adam Khomich]

The deceased pilot Voloshin, who twice pulled himself in a Bosko and the sixth year the dispatcher Petrenko is on vacation, I hope the Niedergollanders were interrogated during their lifetime or will the court of mediums be invited?

[bessmertniy]

By the way, isn’t there whether Petrenko spends his vacation, where is Voloshin ?! Something about her vacation was not reported in the media.

[Moon]

Quote: bessmertniy

but isn’t there whether Petrenko spends his vacation, where Voloshin

one Russian channel means it can call to the other world.

[bober1982]

Just like that, there are no information leaks - they are satisfied. The question is, to whom and why is all this necessary.
Maybe the version with BUK-s "crumbles", so they began to rush about.

[Avior]

The version with Buk was actually confirmed by Almaz-Antey, the difference is only in the launch site?

[bober1982]

It’s hard to say what if you sit on the couch. Who confirmed what.

[Avior]

Almaz Antey announced his findings publicly, you can meet them at least from the couch, even from the armchair, they will not change from this

[bober1982]

Quote: Avior

Almaz Antey announced his findings publicly, you can meet them at least from the sofa

I don’t understand anything in anti-aircraft missile systems, I read the IAC reports carefully.

[Adam Khomich]

Does the IAC have any relation to air defense systems? You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma.

[bober1982]

Quote: adam khomich

Does the IAC have any relation to air defense systems?

In my specialty (former) I read reports, the meaning of what was said was this.

[g1washntwn]

AA confirmed only that in order to receive such damage with a BUK missile, the hit must be "like this", have "such striking elements" and launch the missile accordingly "from here to here." As a manufacturer and developer, he modeled the version, and did not prove that it was their product that got into the liner.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Maybe there was a double attack? Is it possible?

[Avior]

Second per second at the same time, it turns out?
Something I do not believe in this

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

First, the Buk missile, then finished off the air-to-air. Is this possible in principle? I understand that in principle anything is possible. But in general, and in this case?

[Avior]

After Buk, there was no sense to finish, the plane began to fall apart in the air.
In addition, the P60 has 3 kg warhead drying, and Buka-warhead missiles have 70 kilograms, you understand the difference

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Thanks for clarifying.

[Yngvar]

In the 61st Powers on U-2 over the Urals shot down with two missiles with an interval of about 10 seconds ... And both hit!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Eh, far too far before the ritual viewing of "The Taming of the Fire"! But tradition is tradition.

[Avior]

There were a lot of missiles, we hit our plane at the same time, and not just the American
But then again, all anti-aircraft

[ender]

Have you already forgotten about Safronov?

[astepanov]

Perhaps, in fact, the investigation knows that Ukraine is directly involved in the death of the plane, but even after many years of lying it is unprofitable to admit it openly. On the other hand, mutual sanctions have already reached everyone, and the confrontation has reached a dangerous limit. So they are preparing the ground: they say, the case is complicated, there is no direct evidence against anyone, you must either continue to pull the rubber, or let the case slip on the brakes ...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: astepanov

On the other hand, mutual sanctions have already reached everyone, and the confrontation has reached a dangerous limit.

Yes, apparently not enough yet ... if the German ambassador to O (o) N, on the 18th, crucified so much that Russia shot down a Boeing and annexed Crimea.

[Operator]

Damn, how several days ago all sorts of experts vomited on VO, proving that there can be no leaks from the Dutch - because they are Dutch

"... ....", - S. Lavrov (C)

[bober1982]

Quote: Operator

arguing that there can be no leakage from the Dutch - because they are Dutch

It remains to wait for the leak of information from the famous Canadian intelligence.

[Olya Tsako]

Yes, everything is simple. The colors of the flags on board the aircraft of the Russian Federation, the same as that of Malaysian. And at the same time, board number 1 V.V.P. He returned from Europe to Moscow. Hoping to bring him down.
Fighter (pilot), catching a plane, even saw from behind the wing, what are the similar letters on board? : Russia and
Malaysia Ie -SIA. Here and shot down UNA-UNSO-VSUshnye terrorists.

[Avior]

Do you think they fly from Europe to Moscow through Donetsk?

[Olya Tsako]

ANOTHER VERSION, BUT SIMILAR, MH17, flying the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur route, supposedly had to collide in the sky over Poland with the Russian "board number 1" of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Putin was just returning from Brazil after a tour of Latin America. “The collision of two aircraft, the mass of each of which reached 300 tons, left neither time nor chance for the rescue of the main passenger
Therefore, the DISPATCHERS of the Dnepropetrovsk air hub disappeared immediately. Meet you.

[Avior]

Do you think that flights from Poland were controlled from the Dnieper?

[mikh-korsakov]

Olya! I do not understand: Where is Poland and where is Donetsk.

[rotkiv04]

Board N 1 was then deployed over Poland, and it flew in the same level as the Malaysian Boeing, but with a time difference, that’s the confusion among the Kaklovs

[Moon]

Quote: rotkiv04

Board N 1 was then deployed over Poland, and it flew in the same level as the Malaysian Boeing, but with a time difference, that’s the confusion among the Kaklovs

Information about flight number 1 over Poland was in the public domain. It was openly said that the territory of Ukraine is absent as a transit on the way to Moscow.
The theory itself to roll the board is so miserable ... but since simple, it can not be forgotten.
Hollywood movies have been revised.

[Karislav]

there was an hour difference. and the route didn’t fight at all with MH 17 ..

[Pavel57]

Departure MH17 was delayed for an hour.

[Karislav]

there generally the route was different !!

[g1washntwn]

Do you think the personal safety of top officials does not change plans and schedules for the situation?
From the point of view of conspiracy theories and this version, it is likely that those who arranged the provocation "outwitted" themselves and set the wrong side on the target. "If he knows that I know that he knows ..." etc.
But a direct attempt on the head of state is too much. A more viable version is that they originally wanted to hang on LDNR and the Russian Federation. Here, high-likly is easier (as it seemed to them) to cook up. After all, the beginner is the same record, but the sound is quieter.

[Olya Tsako]

Indirectly, the impending assassination attempt is indicated by the fact that the flight of MH17 from Amsterdam was delayed, allegedly for synchronization with the IL-96-300 schedule.
As a result, the case ended in failure - the planes dispersed over Poland with a gap of half an hour. According to the version, "Boeing before departure was modified to ensure guaranteed interception of control in flight by the external control loop and guidance to a given target using automation and remote control." Because of this, it was allegedly required to destroy the liner - to "remove" traces of modifications that would have been discovered upon arrival in Malaysia

[Olya Tsako]

The SBU Turchinov and Poroshenko are not the CIA, MI6 and not the Mossad. Everything is in the spirit of "cotton". The error is normal. The plane would enter the borders of the Russian Federation in seconds. So they filled it up.
And what? Board number 1 reported to AFU and SBU on the schedule of its movement?

[Rzzz]

Quote: Olya Tsako

Fighter (pilot), catching a plane, even saw from behind the wing, what are the similar letters on board?

Well this is at the kindergarten level at all. Do you think planes attack from such a distance that you can read the letters?

[Olya Tsako]

Then you are at the nursery level. Even a simple sniper from a distance of 1,5-2 km sees all blackheads on the snobbel of his ordered object. And for pilots, optics are many times more powerful.

[Rzzz]

You tell on some other resource that there is a "simple" sniper sees. What can be seen in PSO-1, I know, I tried to shoot from the SVD. 100 meters. , no longer given.
By the way, the sight is only 4x what you intend to see there, I don’t know.

[rocket757]

Sixx's transcript of a conversation with Australian law enforcement officials said that they confirmed the presence of witnesses who saw Ukrainian combat aircraft in the sky in the Grabovo area a few minutes before the Boeing crashed. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft, or about fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

If this is true, it turns out quite "cool"!
True, the COURT can give a shock to any "insignificant" evidence ...

[Karislav]

Bonanza Media is what ?? The chick who did not work before RT lives in Moscow .... A journalist of the Netherlands, of course !!! A true journalist !!! And yet, Diamond Antey means sucks with his field tests ?? what the hell?? soon the version and the fighters will leave, the first will appear, with stale corpses ....

[mikh-korsakov]

I am touched by the faith of our people in Western justice. Western justice poses as objectivity and adherence to the law in insignificant and anecdotal cases. I remember how our liberals rolled their eyes and drooling with emotion when a certain lady in the United States sued a cafe for several hundred thousand dollars because she was served too hot coffee, which she spilled on her pants because of this. Here they are at their best, a skillful lawyer caused the judge to tears of emotion, describing the lady's suffering. Here it is another matter - it smells like a decline in the reputation of the Russian Federation, plus the opportunity to beg money from the Russian Federation. Therefore, in fact, the only option is this - it is said Girkin, then Girkin. The liberals will object to me, but who in this oasis of democracy would dare to point out something to a judge. Yes, no one will indicate. It's just that in the West, "Every monsieur has his own dossier." Therefore, if the judge shows independence, then very quickly it turns out that the judge lived carnally with his young niece and laid out his masturbation activities on the network. Examples of Tros-Cannes, candidate for mayor of Paris. Candidate. candidate you will never become mayor. So it's simple.

[rotkiv04]

It was not for nothing that Voloshin was liquidated, the version with the fighter is the most realistic, it is only unclear why Almaz-Antney also began to develop the theme with the beech, and the fact that the ukrozhopye hunted overboard N1 was clear from the very beginning, but as the pilot Voloshin said about the Malaysian Boeing - "he turned out to be at the wrong time and in the wrong place ", the lad was mistaken, the wrong board filled up

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

rotkin04 as the song says "What kind of guy he was .." (pilot Voloshin) Poor thing ...) Suicide is not prohibited by law ....)

[certero]

It was found that enough striking elements from beech were enough to sweep away the version by plane

[Leon68]

Quite enough - how much? You take an interest first, and then draw a conclusion.

[Karislav]

Of course Voloshin .. and the plane is 700 meters on the first channel, he too) !!

[g1washntwn]

Quote: rotkiv04

it’s not clear why Almaz-Antney also began to call the topic with beech

He answered the question "if the BUK, then ..." such damage, at such an angle, such striking elements, launch from here and from here. He did not draw conclusions, he simply threw in his calculations. Incidentally, I have not seen other versions of "high-energy objects" to be worked out in the same detail down to centimeters.

[AlexVas44]

... which were seen in the sky in the Grabovo area by Ukrainian combat aircraft a few minutes before the crash of the Boeing. It is alleged that we are talking either about attack aircraft or fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Strange witnesses - the identification marks were seen, but they cannot determine the type of aircraft from the picture.

[g1washntwn]

If fuchsia is distinguished from coral, and a Colorado potato beetle from a horse does not mean that they are aviation specialists. Especially when this aircraft strives to throw bombs at you, somehow it’s not time to look at it.

[serzh.kost]

whether it will be when Trampushka will be re-elected for a second term. about beloved democrats - curators of ukroreich can open the truth

[Pavel57]

This is Trump's fight against the Democrats.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Yes, it turned out to be not a fake, but a real leak. I am very surprised. It’s not that there was something upside down about the official version of the investigation, but after tons of fakeots it was too easy to immediately suspect another fakeota.

[Crystal of Truth]

Is there a direct link to the Australians?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I believe the docs look believable since the DSB report contains a very similar statement:

At the Dutch Safety Board's request, the Dutch Review Committee for the Intelligence
and Security Services (CTIVD) examined whether the Dutch intelligence and security
services possessed any information that could have been important for the safety of
flight MH17. The services had no indication that the warring factions intended to shoot
down civil airplanes. The services did not have any information that the groups that
were fighting against the Ukrainian government in the eastern part of Ukraine possessed
medium or long-range surface-to-air missiles.

That is, there really was a request from the investigation and there was a response from the Dutch special services that they did not have information about the presence of Bukovs in the area where MH17 crashed.

But the search for any today's statements by the Australians really yields nothing - it seems that they were not there.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I think that everything is much easier .. "ESovsky Prosecutor" gave the command to tie up with the investigation of this case. And right away the Dutch Sledak started looking for a foundation. It is important to preserve both the face and the indicators, not to spoil it. So, soon the questions "in essence" will be asked.

[Lamata]

Did the Australians find any witnesses in, in Ukraine, which they saw fighting planes, did they see through a telescope?

[g1washntwn]

Can we read? The Australians were in the group, and there they saw the testimony, which they later let slip. That is, the Dutch investigation has information from witnesses about the planes in the sky at the time of the disaster. But from Ukraine, confirmation of flights - I doubt that the potential respondent pilot for some reason killed himself. The American spy satellite has classified all of its "evidence". And they never learned to draw in Photoshop over the years.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

It remains to find out why there are no other aircraft near the Boeing on the raw radar data provided by Almaz-Antey.

[Leon68]

Here from this place, in more detail. Since when has Almaz-Antey provided radar data, and even raw data, from the civilian flight control sector? Do not pull the owl on the globe of Ukraine.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

https://rg.ru/2016/09/22/almaz-antej-peredal-dannye-ob-obstanovke-v-rajone-krusheniia-mh17.html

[Lamata]

Have you tried to clarify the testimony? how they saw the planes.

[ender]

moreover, in the first pictures from the crash site, strong cloud cover is clearly visible

[Lamata]

Witnesses with radars were, at worst, with X-ray apartments))))))))))))))))))

[Alex Nevs]

Yes, the buzz was such that a lot of people saw how MH fell. And to see a small plane was not easy, because the focus was on the falling.

[ender]

five years already this "data leak"

If necessary, then the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not one dozen people ... - if the party orders - the Komsomol will answer - Yes!

The head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, said that he had witnessed the tragedy that occurred with the Malaysian Boeing 17 on July. He insists that he saw Ukrainian planes in the sky.

"I saw it with my own eyes. I drove past Shakhtersk. If necessary, the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not a dozen people ... I immediately realized that Ukrainian planes shot down. We do not have aviation," Zakharchenko emphasized.

According to him, that day he saw two aircraft near Boeing that flew off, and the passenger airliner crashed, RIA Novosti reported.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26325.4/3206790/

[purple]

Quote: ender

five years already this "data leak"

If necessary, then the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not one dozen people ... - if the party orders - the Komsomol will answer - Yes!

The head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, said that he had witnessed the tragedy that occurred with the Malaysian Boeing 17 on July. He insists that he saw Ukrainian planes in the sky.

"I saw it with my own eyes. I drove past Shakhtersk. If necessary, the witnesses who saw the same thing - this is not a dozen people ... I immediately realized that Ukrainian planes shot down. We do not have aviation," Zakharchenko emphasized.

According to him, that day he saw two aircraft near Boeing that flew off, and the passenger airliner crashed, RIA Novosti reported.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26325.4/3206790/

You’ve been dunked once already ... aren’t you all right?
Stop writing nonsense. And here is RT and a journalist? Maybe you personally don’t like her ... but what does that change in terms of facts?
Australia confirmed .. yes. there are documents ...
All your attempts are ridiculous and ridiculous ... an attempt to move the arrows and that's it.

[_Ugene_]

everything is muddy like if shot down by an explosive rocket, how could it be confused with Buk? the location of the lesion will differ dramatically, there the mass of warheads differs by a factor of 20, however, none of the experts in the world said - you really don’t see that this is a defeat from an explosive rocket and not an air defense system

[ender]

- Maybe you can change the nonsense? Asked Berlag cowardly. - What if I will be Emil Zola or Mohammed?
“Late,” said Kai Julius, “it’s already written in the medical history that you are the Viceroy, and a madman cannot change his mania like socks.” Now all your life you will be in the stupid position of the king. We’ve been sitting here for a week and we know the order (s)


In Russia it was initially stated that it had shot down a Ukrainian plane and no "beeches". Refunds and exchanges are non-refundable. and therefore "leaks" in support of this version continue to appear. but in reality, the dispute is only about where the 9M38M1 rocket was launched from and who is responsible for this launch

[purple]

Quote: Karislav

Bonanza Media is what ?? The chick who did not work before RT lives in Moscow .... A journalist of the Netherlands, of course !!! A true journalist !!! And yet, Diamond Antey means sucks with his field tests ?? what the hell?? soon the version and the fighters will leave, the first will appear, with stale corpses ....

Ukrainians are Ukrainians ....

[iouris]

And who proved that in Holland (now the Netherlands - even the state was renamed) an explosive device was not planted in the plane?

[orionvitt]

If Russia can technically see the "butterfly flight" over Europe (the "Voronezh" station), then the height of stupidity to think that it did not monitor the air situation in the sky over the Donbass, especially since it is quite near its border. By the way, she transferred the data of her radars and remains completely cool. Everyone is silent about what is in this data, from all sides. And the fact that the data of the Russian radars were not included in the case (with a link about an allegedly incomprehensible standard), it says a lot.

[123456789]

Everything secret will become apparent, nothing will be left without retaliation.
Quidquid latet apparebit, Nil inultum remanebit.m

[Victor March 47]

Quote: DRM

Quote: dik-nsk

yeah .. and already somehow everyone forgot that our Ministry of Defense was just giving pictures with the presence of Ukrainian planes, but the west scored all the stuffing about the air defense system

For 5 years "Our MO" has distributed so many conflicting versions of what happened, which is also not an authority.

There may be many versions. Moreover, Russia was suspended from participation in the investigation. A country that was not involved in the disaster, but the suspect (Ukraine) was used for some reason as an investigator, not a person under investigation.

[lvov_aleksey]

Forever no one wants to remember about board number 1 from Russia, which was delayed for half an hour !!!