Hero of Russia: It is important for Ukraine to understand that Russia is the only guarantor of its territorial integrity

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Today in the Ukrainian media of an openly propaganda sense materials came out in which the authors announced "the victory of the APU in the Lugansk direction." Describing yesterday’s situation, the Ukrainian media once again stated that the LPR People’s Opposition allegedly went on the offensive, but was “driven back by the Ukrainian military,” after which it “requested silence.”

Apparently, the Ukrainian authors themselves did not understand what they gave out for public discussion. Indeed, even if we assume that everything was so, the question immediately arises: how did it turn out that in the area of ​​the separation of forces and equipment there were Ukrainian military personnel who “stopped the attack"? .. After all, by all agreements, they should have been a few kilometers from the demarcation line.

Military Review asked the Chairman of the Presidium of the public organization Russian Officers, Hero of Russia, Major General Sergey Lipov to comment on the situation. The general noted that all this had been planned so that Kiev would once again have the opportunity to declare the topic of “terrorists from the Donbass” that has faded somewhat on the international scene. He noted that sabotage groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were used for this.

Sergey Lipovoy:

And these sabotage will continue until the Ukrainian authorities have the political will to end the conflict. But it cannot appear, because war is a wonderful business for the Ukrainian elite, and the Western military corporations associated with it, especially American ones. Zelensky and his partners, following Poroshenko, continue to cynically prey on the deaths of ordinary Ukrainian soldiers. Such a policy will lead to another Maidan, as a result of which Ukraine will lose territories not only in the East, but also in the West. And Zelensky himself will end worse than Yanukovych.

At the same time, Lipova noted that it is important for Ukraine to understand: the only guarantor of its territorial integrity is Russia.

Comments

[Kronos]

After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, it is strange to say

[Dmitry Donskoy]

There are no longer any brothers or sisters of the Slavs. A bunch of greedy, lazy and envious ghouls remained.

[Tatyana]

Sergey Lipovoy:

And these sabotage will continue until the Ukrainian authorities have the political will to end the conflict. But it cannot appear, because war is a wonderful business for the Ukrainian elite, and the Western military corporations associated with it, especially American ones. Zelensky and his partners, following Poroshenko, continue to cynically prey on the deaths of ordinary Ukrainian soldiers. Such a policy will lead to another Maidan, as a result of which Ukraine will lose territories not only in the East, but also in the West. And Zelensky himself will end worse than Yanukovych.

Well, after all, the Ukrainian Zionist and leader of the Great Ukraine party, Igor Berkut, said about the future in Ukraine that "Today's Ukraine belongs to a small group of oligarchs who own all the riches of Ukraine, but along with them - by an incident of fate - they also got the population that they did not ask for. Therefore, everything that is in the zone of dying must be" utilized "!


5 million inhabitants will be enough for Ukraine, the rest will be utilized by Igor Berkut. January 20, 2018

[Nevsky_ZU]

Igor Berkut. January 20, 2018

As I understand it, this video was uploaded on January 20, 2018. And he said this in 2011 if my memory serves me right.

[Karaul73]

I advise you to look in the mirror. And more closely. Suddenly the ghoul will see.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kronos

After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, it is strange to say

I would say tougher, sometimes it’s better to chew, not talk. The general is not a politician, why he crawls where it is not necessary.
Our authorities recognize the authorities of Ukraine, the authorities of Ukraine believe that the concept of territorial integrity includes both Donbass and Crimea. That is, in fact, the general proposed to transfer Crimea to Ukraine and said that Russia acts as a guarantor here.

[Prisoner]

It was helpful! Or snuggle up and do not go over to the camp of the enemies of Russia or kirdyk you traitorous faces. In addition, Crimea, Russian land as the south, east and north of Little Russia.

[Invoce]

Quote: Kronos

After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, it is strange to say

When it was that Crimea was connected? There were some protests from Crimeans, arrests, police raids, manipulation of documents ??? Did not have. Ukraine fought for Crimea, for "its" territory, for which it shed blood and sweat for centuries? I didn’t fight. Maybe Ukraine has invested billions of dollars in the development of the Crimea and its population, and the insidious Russia has taken by force what Ukraine has torn from itself and given to the Crimeans? no! Maybe Russia transferred Crimea to Ukraine voluntarily or sold it for money? Also no! Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR N. Khrushchev on the basis of eternal friendship between peoples and the streamlining of households. activities on the peninsula.
1. The Ukrainian SSR did not ....
2. Friendship was gone and prerequisites for the deployment of NATO bases in Crimea appeared.
3. There was a threat to the Sevastopol base, although Sevastopol was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR Khrushchev ...
4. Nationalists from the UPA (Bandera) sent trains of pacification to Crimea, and before that Crimea met the "Berkutites" who died on the Maidan ... those who defended Ukraine from hordes of Nazis who eventually committed a coup.
So what right do you have to say that Crimea was annexed?
Crimeans expressed their will and joined their family from despair and threats.
It’s like the daughter of her parents who left her partner and returned to her family. The marriage is not officially registered, does not bring money to the "family", tyrannizes the daughter and children ... Who will condemn them in this case? Only friends are shit, those who booze at the expense of the one who went to mom and dad.

[Kronos]

It doesn’t matter how this is done; it’s legally important that the population of Ukraine perceives it negatively

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kronos

It doesn’t matter how this is done; it’s legally important that the population of Ukraine perceives it negatively

Sorry, I want to ask, what does the population of Ukraine perceive positively?

[Kronos]

You can argue as much as you like, but not a single country will understand the loss of part of the territories no matter how legally they were in it and the accession of this territory to a neighbor

[Aleksandr1971]

You're not right. Currently, there is not a single European country that has not lost any territory within the known history. Probably the same with Asian countries. And most "sit and do not blather" about this. And most of all in Europe, Russia has lost land, for example, has lost Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States, and so on. and so on. So Ukraine will also accept the loss, since the loss is very small. But they could have lost half of the country.

[Kronos]

Nevertheless, no one legally recognized Crimea except Abkhazia and a couple of small countries. Redistributions in history, of course, were always only direct captures without references about referenda

[Aleksandr1971]

Non-recognition of the annexation of Crimea to Russia can last for a long time. For example, England did not recognize the sovereignty of France from the 14th century to the 19th century, although this did not prevent the conclusion of treaties between them. And this non-recognition was expressed with the proclamation of the English monarch at the same time the king of France. It was only under Napoleon that the British finally abandoned this fiction. With Russia it will be about the same, "plus - minutes one or two centuries" ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kronos

Nevertheless, no one legally recognized Crimea except Abkhazia and a couple of small countries

The main Crimeans recognized that the Crimean. Now, if they recognized you, then Crimea would remain as part of Ukraine, but for some reason they do not want to return to you. So think about why they wanted to be with Russia. And why didn’t you keep Crimea? Just think like people for once without these your slogans.

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexander1971

most of all in Europe Russia lost lands, for example, lost Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and so on. and so on.

How could Russia lose something that does not belong to it? Who owns the land on which I live? IT IS MY LAND. Poland belonged to Russia? It is property of Russia, and Poles are serfs? Ukraine decided to live on its own. How could it belong to Russia? My grandfathers were not serfs of Russia in order to belong to it. You say that a free man dreams of freedom. A slave dreams of his slaves. It seems that Russians need humble slaves - Ukrainians, Balts, Poles ... Humiliated and repentant .How do you need this? And after that you consider yourself free people?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kronos

You can argue as much as you like, but not a single country will understand the loss of part of the territories no matter how legally they were in it and the accession of this territory to a neighbor

Have you asked the residents of Crimea, or are you just thinking about yourself? Or do you think they are not people? Crimea is Crimea, not Ukraine, and why should you decide for them? And you scream

[Kronos]

I do not scream I need the USSR without Russian or Ukrainian oligarchs

[Alex Nevs]

horse racing is the most important thing. Higher. Higher.

[Incvizitor]

The opinion of Crimeans expressed in a referendum is important, and all sorts of Ukrainians themselves jumped it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Incvizitor

The opinion of Crimeans expressed in a referendum is important, and all sorts of Ukrainians themselves jumped it.

Let's just say, jumped.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kronos

It doesn’t matter how this is done; it’s legally important that the population of Ukraine perceives it negatively

The population of Ukraine has long come to terms with this, but you constantly awaken this topic and constantly sow unrealistic hopes for its return. You yourself do not believe what you are talking about, but still with tenacity worthy of another application, you dream of a pipe dream.
By the way, I understand your feelings and sympathize .. But .. what has been done is done and you can’t bring anything back. And in order not to lose territories anymore, you need to think about the reasons. Why did Crimea leave? Agree, if the inhabitants of the Crimea Peninsula did not want accession to Russia, then nothing would have happened. But why did they want to leave for Russia, and why does the Donbass also want to follow the path of Crimea? This is the question you must answer. Is it because they disdained Russian residents of the Crimea and Donbass? Think, try to take their place.
So, this is not annexation, it is a punishment for your sins before the Russian citizens of Ukraine.

[Kronos]

I do not need Crimea but the communist revolution

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kronos

I do not need Crimea but the communist revolution

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The population of Ukraine has long come to terms with this,

Why did you get this because you want it so much?

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

unrealistic hopes of his return

Why unrealistic? For over 50 years, the Japanese have owned half of Sakhalin, but the time has come, and the USSR regained the territory, previously pro .. um, stupidly lost by tsarist Russia. Everything could be in life. For example, after the departure of GDP, Russia will fall apart and will not be able to support Crimea ... That's all.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

By the way, I understand your feelings and sympathize ..

We don’t need sympathy. Save it for yourself. Until then, when everything starts to crumble with you too. But Russia will begin, although it has more than Ukraine, and in terms of safety margin, but goes the Ukrainian way. Sanctions are doing their job, the indigenous population is dying out , oligarchs and officials are completely outrageous. So it’s wise to just sit on the riverbank and wait for the body of the enemy to pass by.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But why did they want to leave for Russia, and why does the Donbass also want to follow the path of Crimea?

And because Russian pensions and salaries are higher than Ukrainian ones. But not everything is expressed in money. And the price of this money can be very high .

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

So, this is not annexation, it is a punishment for your sins before the Russian citizens of Ukraine.

Wow, and Russia, therefore, imagines itself to be the avenging right hand of the Lord, and decided that it has the right to punish and pardon at its own discretion? Oh God, another "chosen" country on our head ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

We don’t need sympathy. Save it for yourself. Until then, when everything starts to crumble with you too. But Russia will begin, although it has more than Ukraine, and in terms of safety margin, but goes the Ukrainian way. Sanctions are doing their job, the indigenous population is dying out , oligarchs and officials are completely outrageous. So it’s wise to just sit on the riverbank and wait for the body of the enemy to pass by.

I understand from your fantasies that while Russia is "crumbling", what will Ukraine do? Prosper? To build up your power by leaps and bounds? Are you serious?

Quote: revnagan

And because Russian pensions and salaries are higher than Ukrainian ones. But not everything is expressed in money. And the price of this money can be very high

You rightly said - "not everything is expressed in money" And the conclusion was exactly the opposite - they left because of the money. And hit the sky with your finger. They left because you began to prohibit the Russian language. By and large, the Russian language did not bother you in any way. There were schools, teachers, textbooks, i.e. that 100 students study at school, that with the Ukrainian language of instruction, that with the Russian one funding. But someone really needed to embroil the two peoples. Rather, to destroy Ukraine as an economic unit, and this is easy to do by quarreling two peoples within one state. And you fell for this bait. You decided, well, your "friends" told you that when you create a mono-national state, by assimilation, partial destruction and expulsion of the remaining non-Ukrainians, you will immediately make a breakthrough in economic terms? You, personally, you are sure, and do not believe in it yourself. Then tell me the secret of what is the meaning of the struggle of today's Ukraine with the Russian language, and therefore with the Russians.
And let's not forget that both the Crimea and the Donbass happened the day after the repeal of the law on the languages ​​of the Maidanutyh who seized power.
If the bloody pastor came to the rebellious Donbass and asked - men what you want - they would answer him - Russian schools, there is no Bandera and other Western women and everything would be decided peacefully. But he sent tanks. We see the result. And in order not to become guilty, he started a massive fake with a Russian invasion.

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You began to ban the Russian language.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

you pecked at this fishing rod.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You decided, well, your "friends" told you so,

The conclusions are obvious for you, but completely unfounded. Firstly, you overestimate the capabilities of my modest person - I did not decide, did not forbid, did not "peck at the bait." What is your problem: you think that you understand everything (of course! ), and you are dealing with stupid raguli. Well, it's still obvious, isn't it? But no. Before the rule of 14, almost half of the population of Ukraine was Russian, and another 40 percent were Russian-speaking. Only here is the refusal of the Russian Crimeans from the joint struggle for Russian (not Russian, but Russian) Ukraine, without the oligarchs, I personally regard as a betrayal. And the capture of Ukrainian territory by Russia under a convenient pretext, at a difficult moment for Ukraine (and not the fight against the "junta", as your media trumpeted) Ukraine is the true face of oligarchic-capitalist Russia. And believe me, I don't want to have anything in common with such a Russia. And even against the background of pathetic attempts to prove that everything is done "according to the Law." Ukraine just needs to moderate its ambitions now, "close" the war in Donbass , survive, accumulate potential and wait I'm in my time. And he will definitely come.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

overestimate the possibilities of my humble

Here you misunderstood me. saying - you, I didn’t mean you. When I talk about you, I write with a capital letter.

Quote: revnagan

Only here is the refusal of Russian Crimeans from a joint struggle for a Russian (not Russian, namely Russian) Ukraine, without the oligarchs, I personally regard it as a betrayal.

Excuse me, but who called "Crimeans to a joint struggle for Russian Ukraine"? You? And they heard and refused? Strange, to say the least.

Quote: revnagan

And the capture of Russia under a convenient pretext, in a difficult Ukrainian moment for Ukraine,

Well, here you are again - capture. This word speaks of forceful action. And was he? You know very well that ANY government, in any country, if it is not profitable for it, will not allow a referendum. And so that in Crimea, the Ukrainian authorities, in violation of the law, Crimea, as an autonomous republic, had the right to hold a referendum and not impede its holding, the Russian MTR blocked the security forces of Ukraine. For one purpose - to give residents of the Crimea to express their opinion. I would also like for us more often to ask the opinion of the people on pressing issues.

Quote: revnagan

(and not the fight against the "junta" as your media trumpeted)

Your untruth, no one said anything like that about Crimea.
But you didn’t say anything, your opinion, about the struggle against the Russian language - why is this struggle needed? What is the purpose?

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Your opinion about the fight against the Russian language - why is this fight needed? What is the purpose?

There are several goals:
-firstly, to distract people from the realities of life (rising prices, stopping enterprises, in general, worsening economic conditions);
- goal number two - the Galician-Jewish nationalists who seized power indulge their pride and satisfy their complexes, demonstrating to the people of Ukraine and the whole world: “But we are like you. And what will you do?” The fact is that they are still they remember how beggars they were accepted into Ukraine in 1939. And that their contribution to the well-being of Ukraine is zero. And if you also take into account what the Banderaites were doing, then ... And here you see what a "contribution" - "mov" revived! Well, at least something! "At least crumple the casing, just not to walk!";
- the goal is three. Demonstratively oppose Ukraine to Russia, hurt Russians (well, at least!), and, if possible, raise money on demonstrative Russophobia, like the Baltics. But here it should be understood that Ukraine has 5 times more population. than in the Baltic . Yes and not the 90s is now in the yard. However, at least a fraction of the small Galitsai will certainly be thrown for this.
At the household level, in families, at work, everyone speaks Russian. Yes, the formidable "circulars" and "instructions" directly prescribe: all documentation must be urgently translated into Ukrainian. And if it is really Ukrainian, and not the newspeak of Polish-Galician-Jewish-German - hrenznaetkoy, I do not mind. The trouble is that there are simply no analogs to many Russian words in the Ukrainian language. And even in technical literature, terms. But it is "Newspeak" that is imposed. Without laughter, new documents cannot be read, and the meaning is lost .. ..But, as the saying goes: "Bachili eyes, did they buy them? Ozhte, choch!"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

There are several goals:

Alexey!
I don't even need to add. But, I will add. The main dream of these, well, you understand who I mean, is to play off Russia and Ukraine in a real war. And many local commentators do not understand this and call for "to force to peace" meaning the use of force. Those. in fact, they are on the side of those in Ukraine and overseas who want war with Russia.

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Excuse me, but who called "Crimeans to a joint struggle for Russian Ukraine"? You? And they heard and refused?

And who was supposed to "call"? "Government" of Ukraine? The people? Was there time for appeals? Or was it not clear that things were going to confrontation? And in this situation, they flee to the Russian Federation, weakening the Russians in Ukraine and in fact abandoning them because of Russian money? Traitors.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, here you are again - capture. This word speaks of forceful action. And was he?

You won’t throw words out of a song. Capture is capture. Capture of our ship (I remember how it was driven by helicopters on the bay!), Our military base, bases, blocking them by Russian troops (and we considered the Russian Federation a decent state!) .. .

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Crimea, as an autonomous republic, had the right to hold a referendum,

Crimea did not have the right to hold a referendum on the territorial integrity of Ukraine. And you KNOW this very well. The Constitution of any state stipulates on which issues referenda are held, on which - no. For example, regarding the growth of salary, retirement age, etc. about the territorial integrity of the state, all the more. You can read your Constitution. And you will see that your republics also do not have this right. Russia violated international law with all its consequences.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

And you KNOW IT PERFECTLY.

I know. Crimea had its own government and its own armed forces, not BP, but the armed forces. In the year 91, initially, Crimea, as an autonomous republic, had rights that Kuchma, with the help of fraud and pressure, curtailed with the help of his protege. So, we know.
In addition, do not forget, Russia took the Crimea, if by and large, then - by battle, to Ukraine it was raised on a plate with a blue border. In addition, Sevastopol was not part of the Crimea, as a territorial and economic unit. And therefore, Ukraine brazenly chopped it off, taking advantage of the fact that Borya had a hangover.
But to be honest, it has been so since ancient times, the one who is stronger owns the land. The Japanese were stronger and owned the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, the USSR became stronger - if you please move. So it was, it is, it will be so. Everything is old as the world.

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But to be honest, it has been so since ancient times, the one who is stronger owns the land.

Well, why is Russia "shaggy grandmother"? "A referendum ... according to the law ...". To say openly, "we are stronger, that's why you were robbed" - okay? Well, then there is nothing to moan about evil Bandera give some water to drink. Remember, from the letter of the Cossacks to the Turkish sultan: "... we will fight with you .. with land and water .." And in one of the books I also met this: "... poison in a cup, a dagger in the darkness. .. ". The strong have their own methods, the weak have their own. This is a war (in the cold phase), not a knightly duel. The purpose of the war is to inflict damage on the enemy. All this is business ... Moreover, from a legal point of view, Russia is strong not right (to put it mildly), so Ukraine and cards in hand.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

Well, why is Russia "shaggy grandma"? "The referendum ... according to the law ...

Uh, dear, you didn’t go there. I talked about - in general, but there are also special cases. So, let's not generalize.
Russia had no choice. 1. There was a probability of the development of events according to the Donbass scenario.
2. The possibility of the appearance of a military base in the Crimea and, of course, not the Belorussian one, was possible. Does Russia need this? This is a threat to Russia's security. Take the place of the Darkest. And you would do exactly the same. Although you, I’m sure, would not even hold a referendum. If Ukraine had not started this fuss with joining NATO, then ... Who knows how events would have developed. Anyway, if you impartially, from the perspective of an outside observer, evaluate the whole course of events, then, I believe, you will positively evaluate the actions of Russia in the Crimea. Yes, the doctor often hurts the patient. But for the good of the patient. Something like this. Bearing in mind the future close alliance of the three sisters.

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Uh, dear, you didn’t go there. I talked about - in general, but there are also special cases.

What I didn’t understand. That is, when "in general" is not allowed, but if a "special case" then Russia is possible? And when others have such a "special case" in relation to Russia, then again "is not possible"?
.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Take the place of the Darkest.

No, thank you. Although I am a scumbag, but not as much ...

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And in general, if you impartially, from the position of an outside observer, evaluate the whole course of events, then, I believe, you will positively evaluate the actions of Russia in Crimea.

Why would it? You assess the situation from the position of the Russian man in the street "Hurray, Krymnash!", And I should assess from the position of a third party? No, I assess it from the position of a citizen of Ukraine: our territory was taken by force in violation of all assurances, Ukraine was treated treacherously so it's bad and mean. Period.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, the doctor often hurts the patient. But for the good of the patient.

An interesting doctor, you hurt a neighbor so that you feel good. So it’s not the doctors who act, but Hannibal Lecturer.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Bearing in mind the future close alliance of the three sisters.

After this, there can be no talk of any "union". Unless the USSR will be reborn .... With the Syrians, let Russia conclude alliances with Maduro. "She died, so she died."

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

After this, there can be no talk of any "union". Unless the USSR will be reborn .... With the Syrians, let Russia conclude alliances with Maduro. "She died, so she died."

Everything that you wrote in this post, continuous emotions. Sober logic is missing. I'm sorry. But this will not affect my attitude to you, and, especially, to Ukraine.

[codetalker]

No, not strange. The accession of Crimea to Russia does not violate the integrity of Ukraine. Crimea has never been a part of Ukraine. It was an autonomous republic, and the nature of their interaction was administratively confidential. This can be found out by everyone who can read and bother to study the current situation at that time in Ukraine.
Also, the British exit from the EU does not violate the integrity of Belgium on the basis of which the EU headquarters operates in Brussels.

[Kronos]

The EU is not a state of which Britain was a part. There are much more suitable comparisons with the exit of Catalonia from Spain or Scotland from England.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: codetalker

This can be found out by everyone who can read and bother to study the current situation at that time in Ukraine.

So before you read, you need to learn how to read, that is, read, and understand what is written there.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Kronos

After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, it is strange to say

Do not confuse soft with warm. Crimea and Donbass, this is a direct consequence of the Maidan (anti-constitutional armed coup), and where does Russia, which acted strictly according to circumstances?

[Odysseus]

Quote: orionvitt

Do not confuse soft with warm. Crimea and Donbass, this is a direct consequence of the Maidan (anti-constitutional armed coup), and where does Russia, which acted strictly according to circumstances?

True, but the general then says that the Russian Federation is its guarantor territorial integrity . At the same time, the Russian authorities recognized Maidan Ukraine, and she (and with it the rest of the world) believes that Crimea is part of Ukraine.
So Kronos is right, this statement is, to put it mildly, strange. It was not necessary to say so, especially since this is not the general’s business.

[Alexga]

what is important for Ukraine to understand: the only guarantor of its territorial integrity is Russia

But do they need to give this guarantee?

[Tuzik]

In Ukraine, the question is different: "Should these guarantees be trusted?"

[revnagan]

Quote: AlexGa

But do they need to give this guarantee?

And Russia has already once given a "guarantee" of territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear weapons. No more "guarantees." Agreements with Russia are not worth the paper they are signed on.

[Aerodrome]

Today in the Ukrainian media of an openly propaganda sense materials came out in which the authors announced "the victory of the APU in the Lugansk direction." Describing the situation yesterday, the Ukrainian media once again stated that the LPR People’s Opposition allegedly went on the offensive, but was “driven back by the Ukrainian military,” after which it “requested silence”

quote from Lavrov, Sergey Viktorovich ...

[Machito]

This circus will continue until they complete the SP-2.

[Svarog]

Quote: Bearded

This circus will continue until they complete the SP-2.

Who knows, maybe the number of clowns will even increase after SP2 .. Ukraine is not only a transit country, but also 40 ml .. a population that is carefully set against us ..

[Karaul73]

And what will happen after that?

[Gado]

And you are completely unclear, right? Do you think the Americans in vain are pushing the fraternal peoples against each other? Fascists lit in vain? Sadly, one must prepare for war. It was already in history, only now the Russian will kill the Russian ... My personal opinion, perhaps, may not come true.

[Fishery]

he noted that it is important for Russia to understand: the United States is the only guarantor of its territorial integrity, it sounds about the same, its elites have been robbing Ukraine for 30 years, and the St. Petersburg cooperative has now joined.

[Andrey VOV]

Do you understand what you wrote?

[gridasov]

Obviously, you are not familiar with historical facts of how, in a very soft word, they carry out the robbery and destruction of peoples, those who are now distributing pies. And they don’t give it away already, but they demand to return it. So it’s never so bad that it’s not worse.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gridasov

And they don’t give it away already, but they demand to return

Oh, and these Nuland cookies are expensive for Ukraine. Free cookies are not even served on papierite, it’s time to figure this out.

[ochakow703]

Uuuuuu, how it’s not healthy with you ... you need to treat, treat.

[Alex Nevs]

Mattresses have her most nibalui. And then St. Petersburg?

[Yrec]

I believe that Ukraine has exhausted its "statehood" and, over time, will disappear from the political map of the world. But how this process will take place and what will accompany it is an open question.

[Fishery]

here I agree, there is a possibility.

[Dur_mod]

Break off, the power of idiots and creatures ruling now in Ukraine will disappear. It’s too late to hope for the collapse of Ukraine, the inhabitants of Ukraine have already formed as a nation, the memory of the generations of the 50s and 60s remains with them, the current generation does not remember the Union and there are no illusions about the brotherhood, after Crimea, no one experiences. External enemies, both from the east and from the west, will no longer be able to ruin the country, only internal.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dur_mod

residents of Ukraine have already formed as a nation

And with great pleasure they burn each other in the Houses of Trade Unions and fire with artillery shells in the east of the country ... And in the west they are forced to crawl on their knees for "wrong political orientation" ...
Such a unity that direct envy take ...

[Fishery]

and in the Russian Federation there were no such periods in history?

[Lopatov]

With what phrase does the Ukrainian patriot begin the discussion of the problems of his country?
That's right, from the phrase "And you have in Russia"

[Fishery]

))) since in Russia every news release is like there in Ukraine))))) answer for your log in the eye) and I'm not a patriot of Ukraine and the Russian Federation in the generally accepted sense, it’s just not clear brotherly love is strange, they squeezed Crimea quietly peacefully, Donetsk with Lugansk somehow you don’t take, why?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tonya

so in the Russian Federation each news release as there in Ukraine)))))

Not everyone, do not believe the Ukrainian agitation prop.

[Fishery]

I was in Moscow a year ago, I had the pleasure of watching it personally for 7 months) and I have experience living in Russia for a total of 20 years, from an amusing military commissar in Magnitogorsk I did not know that Ukraine is another state, it was 2000 in the yard) now I probably know )

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tonya

was in Moscow a year ago, 7 months had the pleasure of watching it personally)

Why then lie, and a resident of Russia?

[Fishery]

Well of course everyone lies except you

[Lopatov]

Did I lie to you? No. And you're lying to me.

[Fishery]

the first channel right now)))) discussion of the conflict in the Donbas)))) live) and in the news section discuss the May 9 parade in Kiev, and the UN Security Council
https://www.1tv.ru/live

[Guards turn]

Turned on TSN news:
Ruble's exchange rate
Oil and gas futures prices
The opinion of an economist on the state of the economy in the first quarter
Political scientist tells what problems the Russian Federation will face if it rewrites the constitution
Weather in Kiev for tomorrow!

[Aleksandr1971]

Not too late. The fact that a generation has grown in Ukraine that does not remember the USSR does not exclude the collapse of this state in the future. To prove to you that in the past there were a lot of disappeared states with their generations of different ages. And the territories of these disappeared states are now in other states. There have also been cases in the world and in Europe where states lost part of their territory, but returned these territories 50 or 100 or 200 years later. There were a huge number of such cases, and each with its own specifics. If you want, then I will throw a lot of examples. But the fact that a generation of independence appeared in Ukraine is not at all a guarantee of independence.

[Alex Nevs]

And the internal ones, just under the command of the external ones, are already selling land. Railway already drunk.

[Incvizitor]

This is a poorly stitched and forcibly held patchwork quilt of Russian occupied and western lands.

[Karaul73]

Yes, Russia still exists in today's border only due to the presence of nuclear weapons. If the jackals hadn’t already torn it apart.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Yrec

I believe that Ukraine has exhausted its "statehood

I did not manage to take place, but already exhausted. An interesting axiom is obtained.

[Nonna]

The peoples of Russia and Ukraine have one enemy - the internal one - a spike of offshore capitalists with thieving officials of all stripes. Nothing will help Ukraine. Section only

[Fishery]

and to whom to divide, enlighten?

[Nonna]

Ukrainian Frankenstein hastily created a political entity, there is no such nation - Ukrainians. This is the outskirts of Russia. There is Little Russia and there is a wild Selyukovschina - Western Galicia. all my life she was under the whips of princes and princes. Decay is inevitable - a matter of time

[Fishery]

perhaps it should be said that the western regions are happy to integrate into Poland, well, except for stubborn patriots with forelocks, but the eastern ones in the Russian Federation have more questions, in Poland at least the standard of living is high, and what the Russian Federation can offer is a question.

[Dur_mod]

You are mistaken and stubborn Russian patriots with you too. Little Russia is a term for Russians in Russia, try to say Little Russia in Ukraine, they won’t understand you at least - did you hit an oak tree? Right now, a new concept - ragulivschina from the zapadensky word ragul, denotes a cunning and greedy, poorly educated villager or a resident of the city, behaving inappropriately, no matter where he came from.

[Fishery]

Many terms, who are these Cherkasy remember?

[Aleksandr1971]

"Russian" is a term for all Eastern Slavs: Great Russians, Little Russians and Belorussians. Simply because of the hard hand of Lenin, who called the Great Russians great-power chauvinists, in our historical science after the Bolsheviks came to power, it became ashamed to use the term "Great Russian". And the term "Russian" narrowed down and migrated to the Great Russians alone. And the term "Ukrainian" of Polish origin began to replace the term "Little Russian" also from the beginning of the 20th century and also for political reasons.
Although the term "Ukraine" has been widely used since the early 19th century, it only meant a part of the territory of Russia, and not a place inhabited by Ukrainians. After the collapse of the USSR, new national mythologies arose. And now in Ukraine it is not customary to recall their former name "Little Russia" and their former national identity as Russian people.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Tonya

and to whom to divide, enlighten?

I am sure you yourself know the answer! The lands of the former Austro Hungary will depart according to Hungary. Romania. Slovakia ... ... The Poles will pluck .. The New Russia and the lands of the Don Army, Slobozhanshchina will go to Russia. It will remain from Ukraine a soapy shish with oil and a muzzle with poppy seeds ...

[Dur_mod]

Your wet dreams will remain dreams, is it also interesting for me to sho Don lands to land in Ukraine? Can we move to the Kuban?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Dur_mod

sho for the land Don troops were in Ukraine

Shaw, sho .. That no sho! Do not pretend to be moronic! Voroshilovgrad-Lugansk On November 14, 1795 Empress Catherine II issued a decree on the creation of a large iron foundry. It became the first iron foundry in the south of the empire. The date of the decree on the erection of the plant is considered to be the date of foundation of Lugansk., Donetsk (Ukrainian. Donetsk; Yuzovka in 1869-1924, Stalin in 1924-1929, Stalin in 1929-1961) Land development in the Donetsk and Lugansk region was started by the Cossacks of the Don Army .. .Yes and of course AT ukrainian soapy!

[Dur_mod]

But the Kuban began to develop the Zaporozhye Cossacks, then return it to their homeland in Ukraine.
Your

And of course SOAPY ON UKRAINE!

I leave you as an example of extreme degree of ragulism.
Interestingly, do you know how to spell and read in transcription?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Dur_mod

Interestingly, do you know how to spell and read in transcription?

But I'm not interested ... For 23 years I have heard enough of the sounds of the solos of "i'm Mova and have seen enough of the gargantuan boys and girls marching under the Bandera flags. through the streets of my city ..., now it makes me sick and turns up from a single word with the sound of the nightingale Glory to the Sevastopolites, Crimeans and Russia that Sevastopol is not Ukraine!

And before, before Ukraine, I loved the Ukrainian language, songs .... about "spinning" Kuban with the Kuban Cossacks TO ukrayna .... Offer it to the Kuban Cossacks! Descendants of the proud Cossacks! I would not risk my health!

[Dur_mod]

You clearly have mental problems, since you are stubbornly instead of the Ukrainian letter ї persistently insert s. Trying to distort my tongue does not honor you, you are the same as the raguli whom you despise.
Everyone chooses his own path.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Dur_mod

Everyone chooses his own path.

You are right, everyone chooses his own path ... Until Ukraine becomes Ukraine I can not respect!

[Victorio]

Quote: Dur_mod

А Kuban began to develop the Zaporozhye Cossacks, then bring her home to Ukraine.
Your

And of course SOAPY ON UKRAINE!

I leave you as an example of extreme degree of ragulism.
Interestingly, do you know how to spell and read in transcription?

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the liquidation / abolition (with subsequent resettlement / resettlement, etc.) of the Zaporizhzhya Sich occurred at the end of the 18th century, when the resettlement and settlements of Don and other residents of central Russia in the Kuban began as early as the end of the 17th century.

[Alex Nevs]

Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. ...to help

[Kerensky]

The leader is not there. At least for the collapse with subsequent unification. Let odious, radical, with a "bad credit history", but popular.
The one who says: "But we will not pay the tax on the war! But we will shoot any" land buyer "as soon as we see him in our fields ... But we will bring 5% from amber to our treasury, and not the" roof "half ..."
Avakov is still quieter than water, although there are "big battalions" behind him.

[Kronos]

So in and in Russia there is no one who would say we will not raise taxes and pension growth

[Kerensky]

So in and in Russia there is no such

In Russia, there is a leader. But we are not talking about Russia here.
But in Ukraine there is a problem. We’ve already gone to Europe; it won’t take a second ride. How to attract people? The one that is closer to his specific pocket.

[Kronos]

Which leader is Putin? So he is the same Zelensky only there for the Ukrainian oligarchs and he is for the Russian

[Kerensky]

I do not compare Putin with Zelensky. I say to the Ukrainian people: Do at least something!

[Kronos]

I understand that it’s not easy with elections people wanted to change but it didn’t

[Kerensky]

people wanted to change the election but failed

And it won’t work out. Democratic elections are possible in policies with a population of up to 500 citizens. The level of choice of board on the collective farm.
But Nestor Ivanovich possessed ... possessed yes. In similar hard times he created, directed and defended ... And without any Internet.

[Kronos]

Well now it’s a bit more complicated, you don’t agree and everything can easily sit down or disappear, they can kill. for the power of the nationalists is strong

[Kerensky]

for the power of the nationalists is strong

Not at all. The nationalists have discredited themselves. The very idea of ​​nationalism is vicious in such a situation, because it is designed to protect one's own prosperous little world.
And if he is not, then it is useless to appeal to the greatness of the ancestors.
As one clever man put it: "Muscovites are better than others only because their parents moved to Moscow before they were born."
Nationalists are still in the minority. There is a good movie "Seven Samurai" (?), Also black and white. It was filmed after the war in order to revive the spirit of the Japanese. So there the professional peasants - robbers were beaten, under the strict guidance.

[Kronos]

I meant that under them everything - the military, the police, the courts. So they can hold power

[Kerensky]

So they can hold power

In large cities and not for long. Have to enter the surplus ...
Amber Republic defeated? Are the men surrendering to the war in the river valley? Can the Republic surrender?
It must be admitted that the authorities do not control the territory 100%, which means that the process will continue. The first phase - a split into "principalities", with the inevitable second - unification. Even if not within those boundaries.

[demo]

And these sabotage will continue until the Ukrainian authorities have the political will to end the conflict.
While the tail will twist the dog, everything will continue in the same vein.

[stepka_razin]

Yes, it’s time for Russia to understand that it’s time to do something with Ukraine, otherwise it’s all not in our favor to end

[Aleksandr1971]

it is necessary to partially bring down the top elite, and partially to bribe in order to change the foreign policy of Ukraine

[Lamata]

At the suggestion of Khrushchev, Crimea was annexed to Ukraine.

On February 5, 1954, the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR adopted a resolution: "Taking into account the territorial gravitation of the Crimean region to the Ukrainian SSR, the common economy and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR, the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR decides: to consider it expedient to transfer the Crimean region from the RSFSR to Ukrainian SSR ". On the same day, a meeting of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR took place, which satisfied the government's request.

On February 13, 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of Ukraine recognized the proposal to transfer Crimea as "quite expedient" and emphasized in its resolution that this act "is evidence of the great Russian people's boundless trust in the Ukrainian people."

Thus was laid the cornerstone of one of the most acute ethnic conflicts.

[Fishery]

problems with water and development pushed him to such a solution.

[Lamata]

VSSSSR problems were solved easier, they were, but were more solvable.

[iouris]

I do not agree. Now it’s more important to sell land. And who needs territorial integrity if the land is sold? RF - successor to the USSR agrees that the land of the USSR will be sold?

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: iouris

RF - successor to the USSR agrees that the land of the USSR will be sold?

Yes, I agree, in the Russian Federation a free land market

[Yrec]

Quote: Dur_mod

Break off, the power of idiots and creatures ruling now in Ukraine will disappear. It’s too late to hope for the collapse of Ukraine, the inhabitants of Ukraine have already formed as a nation, the memory of the generations of the 50s and 60s remains with them, the current generation does not remember the Union and there are no illusions about the brotherhood, after Crimea, no one experiences. External enemies, both from the east and from the west, will no longer be able to ruin the country, only internal.

Ukraine from the USSR received EVERYTHING. The USSR was the most educated, the most knowledge-intensive, with the most developed industry and agricultural in the Union. Space, aviation, auto, ship, machine tool, nuclear industry. And the population is 52 million. A good starting level for the new state, isn't it? And this is ALL Ukraine received after the Second World War from the entire Soviet people, because during the Second World War everything was destroyed or evacuated. Therefore, one should not think that the Ukrainians themselves did all this. List which of the above Ukraine was able to save and increase?

[Dur_mod]

So no one argues with that. All the republics of the former USSR have lost a lot, as for Ukraine, then on the former achievements and memory, now you cannot build new relations with Russia. After the aggression of Russia against Ukraine in Crimea and its capture, the people of Ukraine are no longer the same, there will not be the same attitude as before, relatives, work, business will remain. But the brothers went their separate ways.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

What does the people have to do with it? Half of the "Ukrainian" people are gasterite wherever possible and impossible, and they wanted to spit on Ukraine. Whoever was Russian will remain Russian. Well, but someone likes to be a political Ukrainian - these are his problems. Crimea was, is and will be Russian - Russian blood has been shed there, you need to learn history, and not listen to talk shows about spin-offs. And Donbass said everything to the West and put an end to it.

[Igor Aviator]

[quote = Dur_mod] After the aggression of Russia against Ukraine in the Crimea and its capture, [/ quote]
Well tooh, come on. "educate", what kind of "aggression"? How many people died as a result of this "aggression"? How many enterprises, significant infrastructure and cultural facilities were destroyed as a result of the "aggression"? What kind of aggression is this, when no one is killed, nothing is destroyed? and where were the "valiant AFU, when was this" aggression "carried out? zombies, and the same mindless, GONE MYSELF! and the "polite people" simply DID NOT ALLOW you, raguli, to prevent this! And, mind you, WITHOUT a single shot, and without the use of force! So, it’s not worth now howling over the fact that it has fallen off YOURSELF! By the way. soon Donbass and Slobozhanshchina will "fall off", then - Kherson region with Odessa, and only then - the right-bank Dnieper region with Zaporozhye! Hungary will chop off the Carpathian region ... Lviv and the region - Poland. So soon you will be left with only Galicia - gulestan, no one needs! Then you will "panic"!

[Dur_mod]

Tell us about your moaning "he left" for the UN Security Council and the rest of the world who voted and recognized that it was Aggression of Russia, the whole world is fools, and only zombie Russians believe in

GONE YOURSELF! and the "polite people" simply DID NOT ALLOW you, raguli, to prevent this! And, mind you, WITHOUT a single shot, and without the use of force! So, it is not worth now howling over the fact that it has fallen off, for YOUR fault!

Our fault was that we did not shoot the "brothers". I repeat once again for the stubborn, to take advantage of the situation when a neighbor is in trouble, only the Russians could, by their seizure of Crimea, who solved their geopolitical tasks. And your fairy tales and horror stories are only for internal use in Russia. The whole world condemned your aggression and your verbiage only for Russians in Russia.

[Looking for]

Well, the Russian Federation is also not far behind in the preservation and augmentation of the Soviet "heritage"

[Aleksandr1971]

the current Ukrainian authorities will not have the political will to end the conflict because Washington will not allow them. Ukrainian power must be changed through a pro-Russian coup. If the West held an anti-Russian coup there in 2014, then why not do the same there

[Vladimir61]

Indeed, even if we assume that everything was so, the question immediately arises: how did it turn out that in the area of ​​the separation of forces and equipment there were Ukrainian military personnel who “stopped the attack”? .. After all, by all agreements, they had to be a few kilometers from the demarcation line.

Moreover, ukrovoyaka was killed not a few km from the contact line, but in front of the militia positions, from where his corpse was evacuated, by the forces of the LPR People’s Opposition! How did he end up there, maybe the wind brought it?

[Alexfly]

The sudden collapse of the USSR entailed all territorial, interethnic problems. Addressing these issues will require decades. And everything will return to square one ...

[Looking for]

Quote: Svarog

but also 40 ml .. of the population, which is carefully set against us ..

Moreover, from kindergarten age. Rusophobia is the official policy of the Kiev government.

[Andobor]

Yes, Russia will not allow sawing Ukraine, Russia needs all of Ukraine - all without Americans,
- It will do even without the Ukrainians, - but this is their problem.

[Sapsan136]

This is the mistake of those who undertook to steer the policy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine ... It remains only to understand whether this is stupidity or deliberate wrecking of the interests of the Russian Federation ... Shouting that Russian regions will somehow influence Bandera’s, and most of them can only very stupid, or very deceitful ... Ukrainization of the population continues, and this is against the interests of Russia, since here it is no longer Ukrainians, but Russians are turned into Ukrainians and set against Russians and Russia ... Here one of two things - Either Russia will return the Russian regions under their own flag now, or in a dozen years they will lose them completely ... they simply assimilate, through the influence of Bandera propaganda and Bandera education on youth

[Karaul14]

Russia acted as a guarantor in the Budapest memorandum, but essentially took away Crimea - the territory that it previously recognized as the territory of Ukraine.
Back in 2011, they said that a threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine came from the Black Sea Fleet base, but they did not listen and extended the lease term for the base.

[Aleksandr1971]

There is an analogy with Israel. In 1947, British Palestine was divided into Israel and Arab Palestine. Both new countries had to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity. And the USA, Britain and the USSR are guarantors of their mutual inviolability. Warranties did not last long - less than a year. And in 2018, the United States even recognized the capture of Israel. Whatever you say, but when international treaties interfere, they can be violated.