Rossotrudnichestvo in Kazakhstan chose the wrong partners

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In many Russian media in recent months, materials have appeared and continue to appear with the same thesis: Russia is losing the post-Soviet space due to the improper use of “soft power”.

The reasons for this are different: either Russia is too kind to its former union republics, then it lives in the past and believes in the loyalty of the same post-Soviet republics, while pretending not to notice how the population of these countries has long been processed by our western opponents.



The authors of these articles are largely right. We really act the old fashioned way, relying on the power of the “kokoshnik” and the “Russian romance”, hoping that the near abroad will “buy it” and remain in the orbit of our influence.

But there is one more “but” that is rarely paid attention to. We do not know how to choose partners, program operators of the very “soft power”.

In this direction there are incidents that would not have been possible in other countries, and this could not have happened by definition by the Soviet Union. But this happens with our modern Motherland, and these cases are repeated.

The most striking example is in Kazakhstan, our most strategic partner in the near abroad. The site "Cossack Information and Analytical Center" spoke many times about the "universal ataman" - Yuri Filippovich Zakharov. From the articles posted on this resource, it is known that this social activist created several Cossack and Russian-Slavic associations, and recently began to demand reparations from Russia in the amount of 5 billion US dollars for the "genocide of the Cossack people." For this, he demanded from us the island of Sakhalin, where, in his opinion, he could revive the Cossacks.

But, most importantly, among the Cossacks he began to impose anti-Russian ideologyputting at the forefront ... the figure of SS gruppenführer Helmut von Pannwitz and his now living grandson, whom he declared symbols of the inviolability of the Cossack spirit for all Cossacks, white and red, as well as symbols of reconciliation between the Russian and German people.

It is hard to believe, but in such demands for reparations there are parallels with the fulfillment of instructions to implement US plans to split the Russian Federation.

It was according to the American law “On enslaved nations” that the myth about the genocide of the Cossack people was born, which was based on the idea, framed back in Nazi Germany, about the Cossacks as a separate ethnic group. That is, speaking the official language, this is at least the execution of “instructions” in the territory of a third country in favor of the United States.

And, perhaps, the spread of an ideology heroizing the Nazis, which is a criminal offense under our criminal code, article 354.1. Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Apparently, therefore, according to rumors, the entry into Russia was closed for Yuri Zakharov. But before that, he used the location of the former head of the Rossotrudnichestvo representative office in Kazakhstan, Viktor Nefedov. Even speaking at the UN ECOSOC, the “ecumenical ataman” in 2017 did not miss the opportunity to boast that Rossotrudnichestvo provides premises and assistance for its activities. Could it be that SS Specialist Helmut von Pannwitz and his grandson are advertised ?! Most likely, it was so, because the exploits of these “symbols” of Zakharov’s ideology were described in the newspaper “Cossack Courier”, which was distributed at events sponsored by Rossotrudnichestvo in those years.

Rossotrudnichestvo in Kazakhstan chose the wrong partners

But now Nefedov was sent to Bishkek. And Zakharova was blocked from entering Russia. But these are half measures. On the topic that Zakharov is banned, if true, for some reason complete silence reigns.

And most importantly, his associates remained through whom he always acted and continues to act.

So, attention is drawn to the activities of his right hand, which he “planted” on the leadership of the “Russian Community of Kazakhstan” (ROC), and in combination with the “Russian Community of Akmola Oblast”, Alexander Artemenko, who continues to work and interact with Rossotrudnichestvo.

In 2017, when he headed the ROC, an organization that is part of the Zakharov Coordination Council of Russian, Cossack and Slavic organizations, he officially announced that he fully supported Yuri Zakharov. It was when he was elected that Yuri Zakharov handed the saber to his grandson Pannwitz in gratitude to him and his grandfather-gruppenfuhrer. And once again he made a speech that both Pannvitsa are symbols (!) Of the Cossacks.

In addition, the new head of the “Russian Community of Kazakhstan” Artemenko issued a resolution on the day of his election, in which he stood up for his patron, calling for the creation of a parliamentary commission on the fact of falsification of criminal cases against the chairman of the Coordination Council, Russian, Cossack and Slavic organizations, that is, the same "Universal chieftain." You can read about all this in the newspaper “Cossack Courier” No. 10-11 (150-151) dated November 03, 2017.

The “Russian community” in Kazakhstan actively carries through the newspaper “Cossack Courier” to the masses all these ideas, distributing it for free in the Friendship Houses that operate at the regional Assemblies of the people of Kazakhstan, as well as distributing them at events and during church services in Orthodox churches. The active "postmen" of the "Russian community" are the Cossacks.

On the pages of the newspaper are adjoining ... the presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan, all the same Pannvitsy, Patriarch Kirill and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew.

In the same issue of the newspaper, it is indicated that the Country Council of Compatriots of Russia, created by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, "is breaking up Russian and Cossack organizations."

In the same issue of the newspaper, another right hand of V.P. Zakharov, Mikhailovsky, talks about how the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is introducing an ever greater split into the Cossack movement. And he also offers to rehabilitate the Cossacks to give the "universal ataman" the island of Sakhalin.

No, no, yes, ghostly laudatory materials addressed to Krasnov and Shkuro will be held on the pages of the publication.

In December 2015, another material was published in the newspaper Cossack Courier No. 11-12 (127-128). It was called "Fundamentals of Cossack life." As the authors pointed out, this publication was prepared to help activists of the Coordinating Council in the regions on political and educational work with Cossacks and youth.

What did the representatives of the Zakharov Council suggest teaching? Here are direct directions, quote:

“From ancient times, the Cossacks did not recognize either the Byzantine or Moscow Patriarchate ... the“ obsessed ”priest (walking against the Cossack honor, the will of the Circle (Rada), the Cossacks could flog ...”

At the same time, Artyomenko takes part in the construction of the church in Kokshetau and immediately supports the statements and dissemination among the Russian population of Kazakhstan of theses on the negative role of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Hiding under the guise of virtue, it is convenient to introduce ideological viruses: either we build churches, or we hold events for the glory of the Great Victory - and we are already considered leaders of public opinion by both Russian and Kazakhstani authorities. And then, as they say, between the lines, there are stories for young people about the harm of the Moscow patriarchy and the real "heroes", such as Krasnov, Shkuro and Pannvits ...

The recipe for an ideological struggle with us at our Russian expense is not just perfect, but brilliant ...


So, returning to our “soft power” ... If we work with such partners, then we should not expect any positive changes. On the contrary, in the Russian underbelly one more “Maidan” may occur, stronger than Kiev.

This is understood in Nur-Sultan. And this is probably why the Kazakh National Security Committee veteran V.K. Bozhko was appointed to lead the counterweight to the Zakharov structure, apparently in order to stop the possible use of the “Russian map” to undermine Eurasian integration and security.

And I think there they ask: why do our departments continue to support the “Zakharovites” who participate in the glorification of the Nazis and their henchmen and infect the Cossacks with anti-Russian ideology?

Probably, in Kazakhstan they made the right conclusion: the lesson of Ukraine did not teach Russia anything.

Therefore, by and large, they are not going to hope for Russia's help in the field of security there and are cautiously watching how, after Kiev, Rossotrudnichestvo makes the same mistakes in Nur-Sultan.

Just in case, if common sense wakes up among Russian officials, we attach a list of all organizations that are members of the Zakharov Coordination Council.

1. The Russian World Public Fund, registration number 10315-1948-Ф-d dated September 04.09.2008, 150010, location: 30, North Kazakhstan Region, Petropavlovsk, ul. Astana, XNUMXa, President of the Russian World Public Foundation Yu.F, Zakharov.

2. Association of legal entities "Union of Cossack Public Associations of Kazakhstan", registration number 23569-1901-ALE dated 27.07.2006, location: 010000, Astana, Almaty, ul. Kenesary, house 84, apt. 2a, supreme chieftain Yu.F. Zakharov.

3. The public association "Union of Siberian Cossacks" Irtyshskaya Line ", registration number 16223-1945-ОО dated November 25.11.2005, 140000, location: 25, Pavlodar region, Pavlodar, ul. Kutuzova, d. 109, apt. XNUMX, chieftain S. Rudko

4. Public Association "Kostanay Community of Orenburg Cossacks", registration No. 13673-1937-ОО dated January 29.01.2007, 110005, location: 6, Kostanay Region, Kostanay, ul. Chkalova, d.176, kv.XNUMX, chieftain Chempalov V.G.

5. West Kazakhstan Regional Public Association “Ural-Yaik Cossacks”, registration No. 4779-1926-ОО dated 20.02.2002, location: 090000 Uralsk, ul. Neusypova, d.26 / 3, apt. 11 Ataman Avilov A.A.

6. Public association “Akmola community of Cossacks” (regional status), registration No. 5151-1900-ОО dated April 29.04.2010, 010000, location: 36, Astana, Saryarkinsky district, Pobedy ave., 3/7, kV. XNUMX, chieftain Kashenkov Yu.N.

7. Public Association "Union of Cossacks of the Southern Region", registration No. 27519-1958-ОО dated March 20.03.2008, 160050, location: 12, Shymkent, Alfarabi district, ul. Engels XNUMX, Ataman Lavrukhin S.I.

8. “East Kazakhstan Regional Society of Slavic Culture”, registration No. 2666-1917-ОО dated 31.12.1996/61/XNUMX, location: Ust-Kamenogorsk, ul. Ushakova XNUMX, chairman A. Yakovlev

9. Public association “Cossack Culture Center“ Cossack Stan ”, registration number 20109-1917-ОО dated 19.07.2007/071400/145, location: 39, Semey, ul. Aymautova, d. XNUMX, apt. XNUMX, chairman Efimenko A.I.

10. Public association "Irtysh Outpost", registration No. 22650-1917-ОО dated 19.07.2013/070010/7, location: 34, East Kazakhstan Region, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Gagarin Boulevard, XNUMX, apt. XNUMX, Ataman Yakovlev A.A.

11. Public Association “Russian Community of the Capital”, BIN 140140025492 dated January 28.01.2014, 010000, location: 2, Astana, Yesil district, Telman housing estate, ul. Roses Luxembourg, house XNUMXb, chairman A. Zaripov

12. Public association “Akmola Cossack Society”, registration No. 9868-1902-ОО dated 03.07.2012, location: 020000, Akmola Region, Kokshetau, ul. Abay 124, Ataman Starovoit V.I.

13. Public Association “Russian Community of Almaty Region”, BIN 14840015361 dated 18.08.2014/1/1, location: Almaty Region, Taldykorgan, Karatal Microdistrict, Building XNUMX, Apt. XNUMX, chairman Lipukhin P.G.

14. The public association "Brotherhood of Siberian Cossacks", registration No. 11233-1948-ОО dated December 03.12.2010, 30, location: North Kazakhstan Region, the city of Petropavlovsk, ul. Astana, XNUMXa, ataman Taranov V.A.

15. Atyrau public association "Ural-Yaik Cossacks", ataman Ivan Bozhko.

16. Public Association "North Kazakhstan Regional Cultural Center" Radzima ", registration number 8062-1948-ОО from 10.09.2003/27/XNUMX, location: North Kazakhstan Region, Petropavlovsk, ul. Constitution, XNUMX, chairman Chernysheva M.P.

17. Public Association “Russian Community of Akmola Region”, BIN 130940009170 dated September 11.09.2013, 020000, location: 124, Akmola Region, Kokshetau, ul. Abay, d. XNUMX, chairman Artemenko A.A.
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  1. +16
    19 February 2020 14: 36
    During the Soviet era, the nasty leaders were "thrown into agriculture." Now-on dip. work. There is no need to be surprised.
    1. +12
      19 February 2020 15: 23
      Quote: 210ox
      You don’t have to be surprised.

      What is there to be surprised. Previously, during the Soviet era, demand from officials was for the work done. Now the demand from officials is only when they mess openly.
      1. 0
        4 March 2020 00: 41
        But what is the normal conclusion - everything is bad, because the wrong person is sitting in the wrong place, that would be transplanted ... and we will heal))))
        So you would also solve this problem by changing the backside in the chair.
        Just do not forget that in Kazakhstan, and in Ukraine and Belarus ... and by the way in Afghanistan and Syria, work against Russia is carried out at the system level. This is not Yura Zakharov bad and stirs up water. Yura Zakharov, this pawn, which in its place, fulfills its salary, moreover, successfully. Above it there are curators from the special services behind which are corporations, public opinion research institutes, history research institutes, research scientific groups, PR specialists, information technologies, professional propagandists who have recipes for swinging, separation tested in different countries, zombies of the population.
        The change of official does not solve anything - even if he is seven spans in the forehead - stupidly the forces are unequal. Personal relationships and sponsorship are powerless against this propaganda machine, more serious levers are needed here, such as SMERSH))).
  2. +24
    19 February 2020 14: 40
    I have already said that Russian propaganda is worthless, and I was wildly bombarded here, although the problem is that blunt-headed idiots are sitting in our country (I think you will not argue with this) because of which no one wants to contact us, you have to be smarter more flexible, times are changing and we still don’t notice our problems with the elite
    1. +11
      19 February 2020 15: 37
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      the problem is

      The problem is not the professionalism of our officials and the failure to fulfill promises by our chosen ones.
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 23: 23
        Failure to fulfill promises is not professionalism because there is no demand
    2. 0
      20 February 2020 19: 33
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      do not notice our problems with the elite

      Maybe we’re not calling those Elites ????
  3. +7
    19 February 2020 14: 43
    When the "responsible" will not rely on just a little "chided for a mistake, who does not happen to" and sent to the place a little less bread but the same warm ... and so Schaub, get out of service and do not come across most of them will move something in their heads or bake, where it is painful! They will be worn as undermined and work, entrusted to do the job more carefully.
    Whoever finally DOES NOT send those to hell .... away, once and for all, but not in agriculture, of course.
  4. +8
    19 February 2020 14: 46
    - Now Nefedova was sent to Bishkek.
    The Union of Cossacks of the Semirechye was still not enough to turn into a similar gathering.
    1. +2
      19 February 2020 14: 52
      The Union of Cossacks of the Semirechye was still not enough to turn into a similar gathering.
      To be honest, I would not want to.
  5. +11
    19 February 2020 14: 49
    focusing on ... the figure of SS gruppenführer Helmut von Pannwitz and his now living grandson, whom he declared symbols of the inviolability of the Cossack spirit for all Cossacks ... Zakharov began to demand $ 5 billion reparation from Russia for the "genocide of the Cossack people." For this he demanded from us and the island of Sakhalin

    Let's not tell anyone about this plan, except for psychologists who will not help you ...

    another right hand of V.P. Zakharov, Mikhailovsky, broadcasts about how the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is introducing a growing split into the Cossack movement. And he also offers to rehabilitate the Cossacks to give the "universal ataman" the island of Sakhalin.


    “Are you not trying to heal your patients?”
    - Heal? For what purpose?
    “Well ... To bring them back to life.”
    - And to make an unhappy person out of a happy horse?

    from the film "The Abode of the Damned."
  6. +11
    19 February 2020 14: 55
    Lads, scold, do not scold, but the Cossacks (the image is not unambiguous), especially the disguised clowns (the image is quite definite) are not the bait that our neighbors from the southern borders will bite. XXI century in the yard, EPRST! Not the same, but close if ebony traders began to establish links with African countries. Now beat. hi
    1. +11
      19 February 2020 15: 39
      Quote: Captive
      Now peel

      It's my pleasure. you said everything correctly hi
    2. +9
      19 February 2020 17: 00
      I remember the procession of the Cossacks in Saratov around the tenth year: a wrinkled and dirty uniform, each one had unknown medals and orders of two pounds, one and all drunk, with banners ... Ugh. At the same time, in my hometown, they tried to push through the idea of ​​establishing a "Cossack general education school" with the main academic disciplines "Law of God" and "Martial Arts". Residents raised a terrible scandal, they did not allow it. It seems to me that all these Cossack associations are the same Black Hundred, which are fed just in case.
      1. +9
        19 February 2020 17: 08
        The idea of ​​restoring the Cossacks is akin to restoring the institution of samurai. Only the times of it all have passed. Although as a philosophy has the right to life. But a complete copy of the structure is already a clowning!
        1. +3
          20 February 2020 14: 52
          Quote: Captive
          Although as a philosophy has the right to life.

          in in. estates are gone, so they are trying to come up with an example of ukrov nationality ...
          folklore circles and ensembles are quite normal, but bandit groups under the auspices of some Cossacks are already pure criminality, and given the broadcast ideology, extremism is also!
      2. +8
        19 February 2020 18: 59
        Quote: astepanov
        the same Black Hundred, which is fed just in case.

        that's for sure!

        that's just Kushchevskaya showed, not reliable this hundred laughing
      3. Alf
        +6
        19 February 2020 20: 17
        Quote: astepanov
        I remember the procession of the Cossacks in Saratov around the tenth year: crumpled and dirty, each of the unknown medals and orders of the pond has two, completely drunk, with banners ...





        The heroes of all wars, the last one looks especially great- What a horse, such a Cossack.
        Well, in the first place, there’s no night without a priest ..
        1. +2
          20 February 2020 14: 54
          Quote: Alf
          Well, in the first place, there’s no night without a priest ..

          since the end of the 19th century obscurantists have become constant companions of the Black-Hundred movement Yes
    3. 0
      20 February 2020 11: 32
      Quote: Captive
      but the Cossacks (the image is not unique), especially the clowned clowns (the image is quite certain) is not the bait that our neighbors peck from the southern borders.

      It cannot be ruled out that the Kazakh authorities are very afraid of the current events in New Russia, which is why they are trying in every possible way to discredit the Russian people living in Kazakhstan. For this, some odious figure is chosen and it is presented almost as a representative of all Russian people in that republic and at the same time as the head of the Cossacks. I do not know the true situation in those areas of Kazakhstan where Russian people live, but I always ask the question why they do not leave there if they live so badly there. Do not forget that no one is eager to come from both the Baltic States and Ukraine to us - this is the answer to many questions about the Russian world, which is not so homogeneous, and sometimes holds purely formal events in the spirit of different cathedrals. Only the only Russian people turned out to be truly Russian - the Old Believers who come back to us and work on our land without any conditions, for which we should be grateful to them. Everything else, with the same Cossacks, somehow does not fit with modern Russia - something tells me that there they think more about material wealth, and not about the ideas of the Russian world.
      1. +3
        20 February 2020 12: 03
        why they don’t leave there, if they live so badly there. - it would be bad and uncomfortable for a year everyone would leave. They do not leave - because there is business, the conditions are normal, calm, inexpensive (gasoline costs 25 rubles). Yes, and the border is open ... Sense?
        1. 0
          20 February 2020 12: 16
          Quote: East of Kazakhstan
          Meaning?

          The main point of any Russian person is to live where he sees the future of his descendants. So, apparently, not all Russian people living abroad of Russia want to bind themselves to it, which means we should think less about their problems. What is the use of the fact that some Orthodox community in America, uniting several dozen or hundreds of parishioners, gathers once a week in the church and at the same time they do not speak Russian and are not going to move to us? For dreamers about the global Russian world, this may be an occasion to ring the bells, but for those who soberly assess modern realities, this is just a meaningless fact, because in essence they are no longer Russian people. The same applies to Russians living in the former Soviet republics - in fifty years their descendants will only be listed as Russians.
        2. 0
          25 February 2020 04: 13
          Why leave the homeland !?
          Here in Kazakhstan is their native land!
          There are all conditions, no harassment!
      2. +1
        22 February 2020 17: 24
        I don’t know what the situation is now, but I can imagine. In February 1993, he went on vacation from Novosibirsk to Ust-Kamennogorsk (East Kazakhstan) to his sister. I rode a crossroads, the devil pulled me to choose a route through Semipalatinsk. It was difficult with tickets, reeling hooks.
        There at the bus station five Kazakhs dug up to me, tried to remove the tax on red cadet epaulettes from me. Both laughter and sin. In general, sent, waited for the bus left.
        Semipalatinsk is a more Kazakh city, there were more Russians in Ust-Kamennogorsk. But many left, the sister and her husband also left in 96-97.
        But in Ust-Kamennogorsk he witnessed how a crowd of Kazakhs drove some Russian guy down the street, threw something after him. But they did not catch up.
        I don’t know what happened there.
        1. 0
          25 February 2020 04: 11
          I can tell such tearful stories from the 90s with a hundred about my adventures in Orenburg, in Orsk, what are you talking about !?
          About some minor hassles, want to give a touch of national hostility !?
          1. +3
            25 February 2020 07: 40
            Offended by Kazakhstan? Understand.
            Nationalism is everywhere.

            Only nationalism in Russia does not interfere with the influx of migrants in general. And many Kazakhs can be found in the same Saratov.
            But there are fewer Russians in Kazakhstan (

            So I can not even tell any, as you, dear Talgat, expressed "tearful" stories, the realities themselves testify.

            PS I was in Semsk with money for the road (I didn’t calculate I was left without money), by the way, the Kazakh helped, though he was also a cadet, but from another school)

            Long live the Friendship of Peoples!
          2. +1
            4 March 2020 00: 54
            Denying the obvious is pointless. Kazakhstan favors only those Russians who support collaborative sentiments towards Russia, or sit quietly and do not protrude. The rest are squeezed out. There is a rejection of the Cyrillic alphabet. During a generational change, under soft propaganda, a nationalist Kazakh elite is formed that is not connected with Russia and does not know the language.
  7. +8
    19 February 2020 15: 02
    According to Rossotrudnichestvo, the country's leadership must take measures.
    1. +8
      19 February 2020 15: 41
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      On Rossotrudnichestvo, the country's leadership should take measures

      Do you think they will accept? maybe they will, of course, but then.
      1. +5
        19 February 2020 16: 48
        Quote: Vladimir B.
        maybe they will, of course, but then

        When everything is spoiled, and you have to start all over again. When operational measures are needed, the leadership of the Russian Federation shows a rare, one might say criminal, slowness.
  8. +13
    19 February 2020 15: 05
    But there is one more “but” that is rarely paid attention to. We do not know how to choose partners, program operators of the very “soft power”.

    Uh, no. This is just the complete order. Choose partners in the most thorough way. This, for example, in the Donbass with the same overly scrupulous Strelkov or overly ideological Brain, it was impossible to make a gesheft. Well, these are they, not suitable partners. As a result, one was squeezed out of the DPR, and the other was simply multiplied by zero. But Mr. Pushilin, this is just the right partner for this, even very much.
    Well, why in Kazakhstan (or in other departments and cases) should it be different? If all of them are doing the same thing and our leaders are doing it for the same thing - they make money on these programs.

    PS Well, the fact that the Donbass tragedy was doing "business" both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation and the leadership of Donbass itself is no secret for a long time. Partners for this, in the end, were selected the right ones. hi
  9. +4
    19 February 2020 15: 11
    And hr..n understand who the Cossacks are with? Russia does not need such Cossacks, and even more so for us.
    1. +12
      19 February 2020 15: 47
      Are they Cossacks? you can call yourself both a Scythian and a descendant of the Sumerians
      1. +1
        20 February 2020 15: 39
        Yes, what are they Cossacks, mummers.
  10. +5
    19 February 2020 15: 28
    I had to communicate with these Cossacks in Kazakhstan, they do not cause anything but tears and bewilderment.
  11. +5
    19 February 2020 15: 50
    Do you know how the Russians ended up in Kazakhstan and in Central Asia in general? "Nobody sent them there," are they "not there"? Cooperated.
  12. +13
    19 February 2020 16: 26
    There are enough problems with Cossacks everywhere. But, you need to look at problems not only through a narrow slot or into an optical sight. Well, yes, this is in Kazakhstan, but as we have ...
    Moscow, Leningradsky Prospekt, 75, the territory of the Church of All Saints - “a monument to the Leaders of the White Movement and Cossack atamans”!
    1. +4
      19 February 2020 17: 40
      Especially von Pannwitz !!! They would swastika and the SS emblem.
    2. +3
      19 February 2020 17: 56
      Cossack chieftains Shkuro and Krasnov, females of Hitler’s dog! What to ... for faith and the Fatherland ?! Bastards! Denikin was a man! He fought for that Russia, which he accepted and understood and did not betray Russia, which was revived in another form.
      1. 0
        20 February 2020 14: 58
        Quote: Captive
        Denikin was a man! He fought for that Russia, which he accepted and understood and did not betray Russia, which was revived in another form.

        Yeah .. I didn’t betray you at all ... even when the CIA worked with the fugitive SS Yes
        Or do you have "we see here, we don't see here"?
    3. RMT
      +3
      20 February 2020 14: 24
      Chipped it to smithereens. Now another is standing in this place.
      "To the Cossacks who fell for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland"
      1. 0
        20 February 2020 15: 00
        from the same, the same, but without specifics ...
        1. RMT
          +1
          20 February 2020 15: 33
          Exactly, but in a civil war everything is complicated ...
          1. -1
            20 February 2020 15: 57
            in order to understand this you need education and I must say that things are better with him than I expected.
            for all the kamenty in this topic there was only a couple of strange ones ... one wild Kazakh, one undecided who he was by nationality, either a fist, or a peasant, or a Cossack laughing
            and! another Tsrushniku ​​Dinikin is trying to betray a halo with wings ...
            in general, there is still work to be done, but obscurantists no longer climb into the open.
            1. +1
              20 February 2020 18: 44
              do you hear uncle .. on what grounds are you trying to identify people here? who are you? let's say it for yourself, state everything essentially .. open tell us about your achievements and most importantly tell where you are from
              1. -1
                21 February 2020 14: 19
                Antosh, straighten the pan and go jump Yes you usually let go of it ...
                Quote: aws4
                open tell about your achievements and most importantly tell where you are from

                about your achievements? I put in place all sorts of clowns who are trying to present as heroes of either Dinikin or Krasnov. and it turns out quite successfully Yes Look out like demons laughing
                I was born in Leningrad and live in St. Petersburg. and where are you Antosha? or abstain again? still not decided? laughing
                1. -1
                  21 February 2020 15: 58
                  I live in Rostov-on-Don .. you can’t put anyone in your place because you have no spirit and honor .. you can call people clowns only here, but in fact you are just a person who does his job, and you do it very meanly insulting people
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2020 16: 11
                    Quote: aws4
                    you cannot put anyone in your place because you have no spirit and no honor ..

                    spirit and honor? of that spirit and the honor with which Krasnov went to the SS or Denikin in the company of the same SS members in the CIA? yes, I really don’t have such nasty things request my ancestors defended my homeland, including from such degenerates as the ones indicated above.
                    Quote: aws4
                    you can call people clowns only here, but in fact you are just a person who does his job, and you do it very meanly insulting people

                    and not only here. I generally do not feel reverence for the Nazis and Nazis who, on the go, invent new nationalities for themselves to boast of superiority over the Russians. especially disgusting in this is that they are the same Russians, only degenerate.
                    and this is my hobby wink
                    1. -2
                      21 February 2020 16: 20
                      can you hear yourself where does the SSovtsy? what are you hanging? I also hate all this fraternity, but at the same time we must clearly understand that a nation such as the Don Cossacks was !!! the fact that she was exterminated and she did not recover having dissolved in the Russian nation !!! you sweep the very fact of the existence of the Cossacks as a separate nation of Russian civilization .. a nation with its own culture and customs ... and what is there in Kazakhstan I have never heard of before .. the Cossacks invented the right in every Russian region and former republics
                      1. -1
                        21 February 2020 18: 24
                        Quote: aws4
                        I also hate all this fraternity, but at the same time we must clearly understand that a nation such as the Don Cossacks was !!!

                        I already wrote to you that on the maternal side I am from the Don Cossacks, and by nationality we are Russians and we did not invent any nationality.
                        Quote: aws4
                        you sweep the very fact of the existence of the Cossacks as a separate nation of Russian civilization .. a nation with its own culture and customs.

                        yes, sweeping. because there is no people of Novgorod, no people of Kiev, no people of Siberia! Cossacks are an estate. dot. I tell you this as a descendant of the Don Cossacks. all this Goebbels agitation on the uniqueness and great differences of Cossacks from non-Cossacks, my grandfather, a direct descendant of the pre-revolutionary Cossacks, burned on a fighter from 1941 to 1945 ..
                        in the end, read about the Soviet Cossack units. who are, where, why. is it really difficult? why make up a story when there is a real story?
                        Quote: aws4
                        and what is there in Kazakhstan, I have never heard rumors .. Cossacks invented in every Russian region and former republics the law is ridiculous

                        Moreover, in the Far East! there, do not believe it was also the outskirts as in the west. and there are also Cossacks who held military service for owning the land. and by the way they appeared just like the Don ones, but later. the climate is harsher.

                        PS
                        I do not quite understand why you were ashamed of your nationality? for example, I respect Loris-Melikov with deep respect.
                      2. 0
                        22 February 2020 20: 00
                        You're delusional? where am I ashamed of her? read carefully what I wrote at the beginning when I didn’t mention my nationality .. where does such cynicism and meanness come from *? pervert, turn upside down .. you really consider yourself a man?
          2. +1
            22 February 2020 17: 30
            but Pannwitz in general to the civil war is neither sideways nor hot. Moreover, he is not Russian, and he has never been a Cossack
  13. +3
    19 February 2020 16: 26
    The bureaucrats and our ruling class (not ours long ago) hate their country, and they despise the people, hence the destruction of the education and upbringing system, the destruction of a historically communal society, instead of culture and spirituality, the success criterion is everything and everything, that’s why these boys and the like, concentrated amoral trash-beau monde, complete and cynical-indicative irresponsibility of the so-called elites with a complete lack of professionalism, replaced by demagogy, and ostentatious devotion of hypocrites, who consider our former republics a burden or as a source of personal income.
  14. +5
    19 February 2020 16: 40
    Rossodrudnichestvo certainly doesn’t put it on those as soft power, the indigenous population is already large and this year there will be a census, it will be even more interesting.
    Bets should be placed on youth, free grants for education and training in the national language in Russia. Yes, and focus not on majors, those with money are all right and on rural youth. As China does for example.
  15. -5
    19 February 2020 17: 01
    What a fig feuilleton, on a military review site.
    The only Cossacks by nationality are us, Qazaqtar !!!
    1. +5
      19 February 2020 18: 15
      Quote: Talgat 148
      What a fig feuilleton, on a military review site.
      The only Cossacks by nationality are us, Qazaqtar !!!

      You are not Cossacks! You are Kazakhs. Do you catch the difference?
      1. +1
        20 February 2020 06: 13
        You call it Kazakhs, and the self-name of the people is қазақтар. Do you catch the difference?
        1. -1
          20 February 2020 11: 32
          The ending -tar is the plural! Cossack-Cossacks in Russian, Qazaq-Qazaqtar in Cossack, okay !?
          You catch the difference!
          I am a Cossack by nationality!
          And these "Cossacks" are Russians!
          1. -1
            20 February 2020 15: 04
            Quote: Talgat 148
            in Cossack, okay !?

            on what? according toкski ??? laughing are you sure this is not tili-mile-tryamsky?
            Cossacks are an estate. the estate does not have a separate language. Kazakhs are a people. so who are you broadcasting about?
            1. 0
              20 February 2020 17: 15
              I realized what I wanted to say !?
              Like Afonya: - Don’t give you more than 26!)))
              You discovered America for me!
        2. 0
          20 February 2020 11: 45
          Quote: Pecheneg
          You call it Kazakhs, and the self-name of the people is қазақтар. Do you catch the difference?

          If my memory serves me, - in the Kazakh alphabet there is k and there is қ. The first sounds like Russian k, and the second like Russian x
          1. 0
            20 February 2020 17: 11
            It does not sound like x, it sounds like soft K, that's exactly what they say in the film Quiet Don!))
            1. +1
              20 February 2020 18: 57
              Quote: Talgat 148
              It does not sound like x, it sounds like soft K, that's exactly what they say in the film Quiet Don!))

              So in the Russian language, which you, unfortunately, do not know, soft K, this is X
              1. +1
                22 February 2020 17: 35
                Until 1936, the Cossack Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic was called in Russian in any case.
                A "x", "k" soft and simple "k" for the Turkic languages ​​have different sounds. We (Russians) do not soften "k".
      2. 0
        20 February 2020 11: 34
        It was in your Soviet of Deputies that they came up with an ending to fix in the 30s, and I'm a Cossack by nationality.
        Caught the difference !? History must know the most dear!
        1. +2
          20 February 2020 15: 06
          Quote: Talgat 148
          It was in your Soviet of Deputies that they came up with an ending to fix in the 30s, and I'm a Cossack by nationality.

          you are an ignoramus by nationality. Cossacks are an estate and never were not a nationality.
      3. -1
        20 February 2020 11: 38
        Fill the only nation. The Cossacks are us, the others mow under us!
        1. +2
          20 February 2020 11: 48
          Quote: Talgat 148
          Fill the only nation. The Cossacks are us, the others mow under us!

          laughing laughing laughing
          You are just illiterate KAZAKH
          But with big ambitions.
          1. -2
            20 February 2020 15: 08
            exactly laughing
            this is a vivid representative of those very mummers with a hefty raid of extremism ...
            1. +2
              20 February 2020 20: 37
              I boast to you that I am qazaq, and now I am an extremist !?))))
              1. 0
                22 February 2020 03: 09
                The Kyrgyz were. And Kazakhs from the zhuzes and clans blinded the Kazakhs. Well, nothing, how to finally expel the Russians, so share again. And then the Shaprashtins are insolent)))
                1. 0
                  22 February 2020 23: 01
                  Soviet power halved the number of Kazakhs !!!!!!
                  And we exist as a nation from the 15th century, yes we are a young nation, only blinded by non-Soviet authorities, learn history.
                  And what about the Shaprashtins ...
                  You impersonate a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, such knowledge .......
          2. +2
            20 February 2020 20: 36
            I am without ambition ...
            We just exist, 9 territory in the world! )))))
            This state is called Qazaqstan !!!!!!
            Such a big Ambition !!!!))))
            1. -1
              20 February 2020 23: 31
              Quote: Talgat 148
              I am without ambition ...

              Talgat, calm down already.
              Quote: Talgat 148
              This state is called Qazaqstan !!!!!!

              If you are such a cool "Cossack". why do you write the name of your country in English on a Russian site? And, yes, I forgot, the 9th territory in the world dropped the Kazakh alphabet presented to the Kazakhs by the Russians, and adopted the Kazakh alphabet presented by the Naglo-Saxons.
              Now it is clear that the Naglo-Saxons do not have the letter X, so they put you a letter - "q"
              Well, success. Just don’t catch the eye of the Don Cossacks, the priest will be hurt.
              1. 0
                22 February 2020 22: 55
                In fact, the Latin alphabet was presented to the world by the ancient Greeks!
                There are only one Cossacks, this is us !!!
                There are no Cossacks on the Don!
                My pope will not be hurt !!!!
                How many Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Caucasians in your hometown! ???
                I will come to the Cossack Don and dissolve in the crowd of Central Asians and the pope will be comfortable!))))
                The video saw the celebration of the new year on Red Square !?))))
                1. 0
                  22 February 2020 23: 06
                  Quote: Talgat 148
                  In fact, the Latin alphabet was presented to the world by the ancient Greeks!

                  This once again confirms the level of your education.
                  Quote: Talgat 148
                  There are no Cossacks on the Don!

                  Oh how! And then who is it?
                  1. 0
                    23 February 2020 05: 29
                    I have two degrees and a degree!
                    And the Russians live there!
                    And the Cossacks live in Kazakhstan!)))))))
                    Happy holiday to you from February 23, Day of the Soviet Army and Navy !!!!
                    So he stayed for me!
                    1. 0
                      23 February 2020 09: 45
                      Quote: Talgat 148
                      And the Russians live there!

                      Yes, who would argue.
                      But, as I understand it, you do not know anything about the Don, Zaporozhye, Ural, Volga and other Cossacks? Well, what happens. Nobody has ever heard of Kazakhs, but Yermak has already conquered Siberia. Or will he be one of yours too? With a round face, black hair and a narrow slit in the eyes?
                2. +4
                  22 February 2020 23: 29
                  Quote: Talgat 148
                  There are only one Cossacks, this is us !!!

                  So this is about yours, adits?

                  1. 0
                    23 February 2020 05: 27
                    No, it's about Russians who like to be like us Cossacks!
              2. 0
                22 February 2020 22: 58
                And I will not calm down until the last enemy ceases to grind his teeth in my homeland and my people!
              3. +1
                23 February 2020 05: 41
                Now it is clear that the Naglo-Saxons do not have the letter X, so they gave you the letter - "q" ...

                This speaks of your education, you are a Soviet person, but we Soviet schoolchildren studied geometry in this subject, we learned the Latin alphabet, in which the letter g is called "ku" and sounds like "K"!
                In the Cossack language that goes to the Latin alphabet, this letter sounds like a soft 'K "!
                And the Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with it !!!!!
                The Cyrillic alphabet is not convenient for us, 42 letters, not all are used, such as a soft sign, and a short one, f, etc. and in Latin there are 28 letters, and all Türks mainly use Latin. My grandfather wrote in Latin, in the 30s the Cossack language was in Latin!
            2. -1
              22 February 2020 03: 08
              Nothing, China will come in handy territory
              1. +1
                22 February 2020 22: 56
                Far East!? Siberia!?
          3. +2
            22 February 2020 17: 38
            Well, Talgat is also right) True, everyone has her own)
            1. 0
              22 February 2020 18: 47
              Quote: icant007
              Well, Talgat is also right) True, everyone has her own)

              Andrei, what is he right about? Cossacks - Turks? No. Are the Kazakhs Turks? Yes. What else?
              Cossacks are not a nationality. This is the estate. The national basis is Russians.
              1. +2
                22 February 2020 19: 04
                The fact that the Kazakhs are also called Cossacks)

                On the issue of the origin of the Cossacks, everything is very muddy in fact. It’s useless to argue and prove something here.
              2. 0
                23 February 2020 09: 55
                How was the Cossacks formed? Yes, elementary. The peasants stole a chicken from the landowner, well, so as not to get shocked on the first day. And where should the disease run? To the north - it's cold, To the east - so there is Siberia, there only for serious shoals and the Emperor sends for free. To the south-wild Kirghiz, stealing will not be allowed to shorten the growth by a head. But on the border of Turkey it is the most. You can run to rob the Turks, and hide from castration for robberies in Russia. But she is such a territory, Steppe and steppe. The state does not really need it. But naturally, the Sovereigns were not going to give it up. So, all kinds of husk settled along the Russian border. Thief, robbers, crooks. They thought they were terribly important and harsh fighters. They even came up with a saying: "There is no extradition from the Don." However, as soon as the Russian Tsar looked sternly, they betrayed everyone at once or twice. Like any criminal underdogs they loved to show off their "valor". In combat they were used for their intended purpose. Raids-raids - robberies.
                That's the whole story of the emergence of the Cossacks.
              3. +1
                23 February 2020 15: 21
                "Kazatsky Kasym tsar" - so, in Russian archival documents the term "tsar" is used in relation to the Kazakh khans of Kasym, Hakk-Nazar, Tauekel, Yesim and others. For example, in the inventory of the Tsar's archive of the XVI century there is an entry:
                "Box 38. And in it are Cossack books and lists under Kasym Tsar ...". In a letter from the ruler of the Nogai Horde, Seyid Ahmad Mirza, to Ivan Vasilyevich (May 1535), there is the following message: "The Cossack tsar, Host Mahmet, the tsar with fiveteen sons lives with us ...". The Kazakh khan of the second half of the XNUMXth century, Hakk-Nazar, appears in the archival documents of the diplomatic relations of the Moscow state as "the Cossack Horde Aknazar (Oknazar) Tsar".
                The Russian Tsar Fedor Ivanovich in his letter in 1595 addressed the ruler of the Kazakh Khanate Tauekel:
                "Cossack Hordes Tevkel the king." In the formal reply of the Ufa governor O. Pronchishchev (1620), the tsar is again pronounced:
                "... the great tightness from the Cossack Hordes from the Ishim of the tsar pervaded the Kolmtsim taichs ..."
                “And between the Akbashly Lake and the Sauk River and the Akkol Lake and on both sides of the Kenderlik River and the Sarsu River and Karakum Sands, in those places, at 600 miles, the Cossack Hordes wandered. And between the Khvalinsky (Caspian) Sea and Astrakhan, the Cossack Hordes are nomadic and from the top of the Yaik to the Volga the nomadic Big Bolt ”.
                How do you like that?
  16. +1
    19 February 2020 17: 25
    He called a couple of mummers, nobody knows this Nefedova. Apparently from the circle of money there is not enough atamans. They act like the girl they dance.
  17. +2
    19 February 2020 17: 33
    Mummers, they are mummers.
  18. +1
    19 February 2020 17: 36
    I don’t know this disgusted bastard either. I am from the Yaitsky ones. And Rossotrudnichestvo is a good structure. I teach children through it in the Russian Federation.
  19. +6
    19 February 2020 17: 36
    Quote: Talgat 148
    The only Cossacks by nationality are us, Qazaqtar !!!

    According to my passport or nationality, I think it seems that you seemed to be a Kipchak a year or two ago.
    1. -2
      20 February 2020 11: 29
      Because a Cossack means a free people, modern Cossacks of Kazakhstan are a team of various peoples and tribes, Naiman, Adays, Kipchaks, Uysuns, Argyns, Alims, etc.
      1. +3
        20 February 2020 15: 14
        Quote: Talgat 148
        Because Cossack means free people

        forgot to take "free people" in quotation marks, this is a kind of activity. the same as the English "free people" which in England were called filibusters. Cossacks in Russia.
        in Russia, by the way, as in the whole world, now this kind of activity is called banditry wink
        1. +1
          23 February 2020 15: 24
          Well, actually, in the Iranian archives letters from the inhabitants of Balasagun from the 10th century AD were found, where it was written that Cossacks from the Kipchak and Kangly tribes ruin the city with their raids ... The word Cossack came from the merger of two words - Kaz and Sak which means Roaming Sak ..
          1. 0
            25 February 2020 14: 00
            Quote: Aposlya
            The word Cossack came from the merger of two words - Kaz and Sak, which in translation means Roaming Sak ..

            only four more versions of origin and translation on wiki. laughing
            I'm not sure that your version is the most reliable. Yes
            below I already wrote that life in gulaypol began to boil even before the golden horde. then the Tatars in Zaporozhye and the Don still did not smell.
            I wonder how you will connect such a famous Cossack Mazepu with the Tatars?
    2. -4
      20 February 2020 11: 36
      And I did not seem to be a Kypchak, I am a Cossack of the Alim clan!
  20. +2
    19 February 2020 18: 02
    Quote: Talgat 148
    What a fig feuilleton, on a military review site.
    The only Cossacks by nationality are us, Qazaqtar !!!

    Plus for the humor. Only in Russian there is no letter "K" with a squiggle. : wink Kazakhs and Cossacks are two big differences. So you are Qazaqtar.
    Those who now call themselves Cossacks are, at best, their descendants, and so, mummers in the Cossacks. Especially in Kazakhstan. Hand Cossacks - a tribute to the present.
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    2. +1
      23 February 2020 15: 27
      After the Don Cossacks Cossacks arise. DI. Yavornitsky in his History of Zaporizhzhya Cossacks as the first written mention of Cossacks in 1561 indicates the names "Aglaberdy, Ali-Chembey, Akmalla-aga, Bakai-aga, Bassan-ali, Jarly-aga, Shepherd-aga ...".
      The academician of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine indicated a historical fact, but there was no dispute with him! Under the tsar, he was sent to Tashkent, and during the councils he became a "bourgeois nationalist", one thing is not clear whose nationalist - Cossack, or Turkic ?!
      M. Karamzin writes about Don Cossacks that in 1549 "their leader Saryazman, being called a citizen of John, built fortresses on the Don."
      An interesting name, isn't it. Where does it come from. A.A. Shennikov clarifies that Sary-Azman and his Cossacks are scarlet-Yar Tatars, descendants of Polovtsy. Are Tatars, Polovtsy, or Nogays, but in any case Kipchaks? Another historian A.M. confirms this and indicates the names of the comrades-in-arms of the first Don Ataman. Nekrasov: "Boar, Tatars, Cherkas, Ermak, Karabay, Oguz, Cherkas, Toka, Lyapush, etc.".
      Are not the Turks ?! And if we recall that, according to legend, the wife of Sary-Azman was the daughter of the Nogai prince Ishterek - Suluchach, then a clear Polovtsian genealogical trace is built up at all.
      Tell me, where does the Nogais or Kazakhs. And despite the fact that not only the Nogais occupied both banks of the Volga, but also the Kazakhs crossed to the left bank. And again: they are all of the same origin - from the Horde, the last heir of which was the Kazakh Khanate.
      Cossack historian E.B.Saveliev says that the original Cossacks are "the remnants of the Horde Cossacks who did not join the Kyrgyz - their fellow tribesmen who formed the new Khanate."
      Velyaminov-Zernov: “... ordinary Tatars Kazan, Crimean and others were usually called Cossacks and they called themselves Cossacks.” And who are the others - these are the Orda, Nogai, Azov, Belgorod ... Cossacks.
      Levshin A.I .: “Most of the Russian writers believe that the first Cossacks occurred or formed at the Tatars; that they had the name Cossack born, and passed from them to all branches of the formerly and now existing Cossacks. ”
      What are these first Cossacks by name: "... Kazan Cossacks Kalimet, Urak, Sadyr, Agish"; in the year 1492 “... the Orda Cossacks came to the Tatars, in the minds came Temesh was called ...”; “Year 1501. July, on the 11th day, the Azov Cossacks Ugus-Cherkas da Korabay ...”
      1. -2
        23 February 2020 16: 50
        The Black Sea steppes were called the Slavs Wild Field by the Slavs, since there from the 1st millennium BC. Non-Slavic nomadic peoples lived - Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns, Pechenegs, Khazars, Polovtsy and Tatars.

        After Ivan the Terrible conquered Kazan and Astrakhan in the Wild Field, Russians began to spontaneously resettle (leaving from under serfdom). After naturalization among the so-called they were regularly hired by the Russian sovereigns to protect the southern borders of the Russian Kingdom from the southern nomads.

        As a result, the number of ethnic Russians in the Cossacks was an order of magnitude greater than the number of motley local peoples. After that, the influx of non-Russians sharply weakened due to the religious barrier between Christian Cossacks and Muslim Cossacks. Cossacks completely converted to Orthodoxy, after which they all became Russian from the point of view of the government of the Russian Empire.

        They had their own class (Cossacks), but on this basis it was said that the Cossacks were not Russians anyway, as well as the assertion that archers, merchants, nobles, Orthodox clergy and bourgeois (these were all classes of the Republic of Ingushetia) were also non-Russians.

        The attempt of the Cossacks to secede from Russia during the Civil War was initially doomed to failure, since the number of urban and rural "out of town" already then exceeded the number of Cossacks in their military territories.
        1. -1
          23 February 2020 17: 12
          Those. in your opinion - the Cossacks adopted Orthodoxy and did they become Russian or what ?!
          Princes Yusupov who were Russian by origin? !!! Elena Glinskaya, mother of Ionna the Terrible, a direct descendant of Bey Mansour, the eldest son of Beklyarbek Mamai, is she Russian? !!! You can sometimes think of a head, and not just it! :)))
          1. +1
            23 February 2020 17: 26
            Once again - from the point of view of the government of the Russian Empire, all Orthodox were considered Russian. As for the Yusupovs, if you tried to call them non-Russians, they would spit in your face.

            In any case, the vast majority of Cossacks, starting in the 18th century, were already represented by ethnic Russians (natives of Great Russian and Little Russian provinces) and their descendants. At present, the genetic composition of Cossack descendants exactly repeats the genetic composition of Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians - 50% of carriers of the haplogroup R1a, 20% of carriers I1 and I2, the rest of the carriers (in descending order) N1c1, R1b, J2, С, G, E and etc.
        2. +1
          23 February 2020 17: 26
          Quote: Operator
          The Black Sea steppes were called Slavs Wild Field

          Quote: Aposlya
          Those. in your opinion - the Cossacks adopted Orthodoxy and did they become Russian or what ?!

          Historians of the Cossacks. wink Small question.
          Where did the Cossacks of Ryazan go? Who were they by nationality and religion? wink
          1. +1
            23 February 2020 17: 29
            The answer was evicted by Don Ivan the Terrible, nationality - the caveman (mixed breeds of Russians and Finno-Ugrians), religion - Judaism (after Orthodoxy eviction).
            1. 0
              23 February 2020 17: 45
              Quote: Operator
              The answer was evicted by Don Ivan the Terrible, nationality - the caveman (mixed breeds of Russians and Finno-Ugrians), religion - Judaism (after Orthodoxy eviction).

              Accepted! For part of the answer. wink
              Kazan Khanate no, no and Ryazan Cossacks. Oh, there were! There are Turks, Crimean Tatars, Caucasian tribes, Cossack troops are on the border. Conclusion - the estate was formed, which was used by the kings. The stronger the Russian state, the less freemen the Cossacks had. Whatever nation the Cossacks were. Russians, Turks, it doesn’t matter. Living previously free or escaping from serfs.
              For me, the Cossacks are part of Russian history, of the Russian people.
              PS Recently I was in Shilovo Ryazan. I saw Cossacks with whips. wink
  21. +3
    19 February 2020 18: 12
    I do not think that Zakharov’s behavior is a gag. Most likely he was prompted, behind the scenes, by a curator from Moscow. I don’t think it’s very difficult to remove Zakharov from all posts. Elections. First, a small discussion in an active environment, then elections and all things. But, someone in Moscow does not need this. It is necessary exactly as it is.
    1. +1
      20 February 2020 15: 18
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      I do not think that Zakharov’s behavior is a gag. Most likely he was prompted, behind the scenes, by a curator from Moscow.

      prompted what? how to discredit power? belay exactly from Moscow? what
      1. 0
        23 February 2020 10: 01
        Quote: SanichSan
        prompted what? how to discredit power? exactly from Moscow?

        And for you, the secret is that in Moscow, even in the government, there are different ones. Or do you think that all AP and the government are engaged? No. Whatever the clerk in the state office. And what on his mind no one knows. And where is the guarantee that the Cossack is not mishandled?
        1. 0
          25 February 2020 14: 05
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And for you, the secret is that in Moscow, even in the government, there are different ones.

          certainly not a secret. won Poklonskaya a vivid example Yes it’s just that she has at least some influence on Zakharova vryatli ...
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Whatever the clerk in the state office. And what on his mind no one knows. And where is the guarantee that the Cossack is not mishandled?
          it’s as if according to the profile of special services Yes
  22. +6
    19 February 2020 20: 42
    And I think there they ask: why do our departments continue to support the “Zakharovites” who participate in the glorification of the Nazis and their henchmen and infect the Cossacks with anti-Russian ideology?
    Well, this is just understandable - any informal, or any other non-state association, organization that chose anti-Soviet (note the author - not anti-Russian, but anti-Soviet!) As the fundamental ideology is beneficial to the authorities! If you want their reserve, well, or ... the fifth, sixth, or some other "column". Many people think and are upset that there is no ideology in the Russian Federation, but they are mistaken - it exists, only nowhere "undeclared", and is diligently disguised. And she looks like that dragon with three heads. The first is the "golden calf", the second is anti-Sovietism, and the third is anti-Stalinism. And any organizations, associations, or persons who follow these three ideologies will always be favored by the authorities, and taken under their patronage and protection! And monuments and memorial plaques will appear, books and textbooks, films and programs dedicated to these "heroes" will be published! Their "heroes". Because what has happened in the last thirty years on the territory of Russia is a revenge of precisely these forces, which are now presented as "true patriots of the Fatherland" eminent White Guards who drenched the country in the Civil War, and traitors to the Motherland, accomplices of the Nazis who stained their hands with the blood of our citizens during the Great Patriotic War. And, as a natural result, now even the media began to call them neutral - "collaborators".
    PS The participant of the forum "Vladimir61" timely posted a photo of the "memorial plaque" to the Nazis' accomplices, there is only one character named Sultan-Girey Klych that is worth it: during the Second World War - an agent of the Abwehr, and after the war - the CIA.
  23. -2
    20 February 2020 04: 41
    According to the American law “On enslaved nations”, the myth about the genocide of the Cossack people was born, which was based on the idea, issued in Nazi Germany, about the Cossacks as a separate ethnic group. it’s very strange that the myth was born from the Americans about the extermination of the Cossacks in the Lower Don .. and I thought why I was told from generation to generation what happened here in the 20s ... and by the way, my ancestors very clearly shared and considered the Cossacks and Russians different nations , also strange, apparently, Hitler was still infants when he was sitting on a pot telepathically inspired this to my great-great-grandfathers))))))))))))))))
    1. +2
      20 February 2020 15: 24
      Quote: aws4
      and by the way, my ancestors very clearly shared and considered the Cossacks and Russians different nations

      what is obscurantism?
      and so yes .. and the Cossacks and fists and landlords then got what they deserved.
      and you are by accident not a landowner by nationality? maybe a fist or a bourgeois? or is your nationality a Cossack?
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        20 February 2020 17: 30
        I don’t say who I am by nationality, but you never know how to throw a tar and attach some images to the dialogue .. I can only say that it’s not Russian and not Jewish, and I don’t have anything to do with such a nation as Cossacks ...
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          20 February 2020 17: 40
          Quote: aws4
          and I have nothing to do with such a nation as Cossacks ...

          nationalities? laughing it's not bad too good what is left there? ethnicity still kind of? laughing
          you class even as you call it class will remain, without its own language and territorial claims. Yes
          if under the kings in this estate there was still some sense, now it is a natural vestige.
          mind you, my maternal relatives are from the Don Cossacks, but not one of my ancestors went so far as to drive nonsense about some Cossack nationality. Russians are all Yes
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            20 February 2020 17: 48
            Well, if the Ukrainians and Belarusians are considered nations, then the Cossacks could definitely be considered a nation .. and the fact that they were defined as a policy under the tsar was such a policy .. it makes sense to argue anyway on Don Cossacks .. they were eliminated
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              21 February 2020 14: 02
              Quote: aws4
              Well, if Ukrainians and Belarusians are considered nations, then Cossacks could definitely be considered a nation.

              what? this can only be written by one who does not know anything about the Cossacks, its origin and history.
              what you recorded Ukrainians in nationality laughing well, norms ... a party of Russophobian persuasion from which Milyukov came up with a nationality to chop off a piece of the country .. tell me, are there many known nationalities that they join? wink and they entered the Ukrainians at the beginning of the last century, and before that (until March 2, 1917) there were no Ukrainians at all Yes you can check Yes so who is Russian by nationality who joined the Ukrainians?
              Quote: aws4
              and the fact that they were determined by the king in the estate so it was such a policy.

              under the king? under the tsar they were taken under the royal hand and assigned to military service. before that, these were ordinary gangs in the field, who were robbing one of the others. and these gangs consisted of refugees from the same Kiev, Novgorod and Moscow. Little Russia and Great Russia are populated by Russians, and all these Cossacks and Ukrainians are nothing more than artificial formations designed to divide Russian society in order to bring about the collapse of Russia.
              Do you yourself understand that the Ost plan here retells? Goebbels sends you fiery greetings, straight from hell wink
              Quote: aws4
              sense to argue anyway on the Don there are no Cossacks .. they were eliminated

              Are you on Kornilov, Alekseev, Dinikin and Krasnov? laughing or want to say that all who are not with the white traitors of the motherland are not Cossacks? belay Well, if so, then your Cossacks are absolutely shameful ... in the same garbage can with the Bandera Ukrainians ...
              but fortunately on the side of the Red Cossacks it did more than with the Whites, and in the Second World War, on the side of the USSR, Cossacks fought more than the SS Krasnov. wink so that the Cossacks did not degenerate in the USSR, for 90 ... it’s a shame to watch Yes
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                21 February 2020 15: 53
                Yes, the guy tells the story of the Cossacks as I look .. It is amazing how such a person with limited and narrow thinking can talk about peoples and nations .. sculpt with imposed patterns and not be ashamed .. For you, either black or white, or Russian to the core or an essay .. well done you work deftly !!! 30 silver coins you knowingly get yours !!! and the Cossacks are gangs? Cool gangs having (in the past) their culture, songs, traditions, way of life, settlements, dialect and even the capital Novocherkassk, their dialect which was later defined as South Russian .. and I have nothing against it .. Now, in essence, the question is, my ancestors of the Donskek Armenians who were resettled from Crimea to the Don under Catherine ... so now for you to think, the alien people very clearly distinguished between two different peoples with whom they lived next door, although both Cossacks and Russians spoke the same language, local Armenians never mixed these two peoples .. in childhood, I was very surprised why old people born before the war spoke about the Cossacks only in the past tense as a people who no longer exist .. further more, now Don Armenians call Russians - Khazans .. Earlier they called it only Cossacks and after that they began to use this word to all Russian-speaking residents of the Don .. (Khazar - Khazakh - Cossack) turn on the brain and start thinking .. the version that the Don Cossacks were only fluent Russians from Kiev, Novgorod, Moscow, etc. does not stand up to criticism and is essentially an official state that was beneficial in Tsarist Russia (identify them in the estate and Russify to the end) and The USSR (hide the facts of what happened in the 20s), in my opinion, Gumelev describes how in the first half of the 19th century there were cases when Cossacks and Cossacks of the lower Don sometimes spoke among themselves Turkic or mixed languages ​​.. there are still by the way a lot of non-Russian words or having other roots .. stanitsa-stan, ataman - ata - father from the Turkic .. So I was told in great detail how they lived then on the Don, what settlements and the composition of these settlements were .. Novocherkassk is the capital of the Don Cossacks, Rostov-on-Don is not a Cossack city much national (Cossacks, Russians, Jews, Tatars, Greeks, Armenians, etc.), trade, adm. Centre.. The villages were inhabited by Cossacks and Russians as a rule botrachl on the lands that were owned by the Cossacks .. while love for them is usually not experienced for obvious reasons .. villages and villages, as a rule, landlords of all sorts of Russians lived one by one from the Don, and of course there were also many ordinary Russian peasants involved in agriculture, etc. during the Civil War, the vast majority of the Cossacks of the lower Don sided with the Whites, the Russian common people who lived on the Don side with the Reds, and the local Russian Cossacks generally hated them and did not consider them Russians ... at 20 after the offensive from the Don was choked, the Bolsheviks were apparently really scared and realized that this issue needed to be solved .. these events were described to me in detail by the old Armenians .. male population exterminated .. in the villages 2 of 3 houses were empty, where the house was inhabited were only women, small children and the elderly .. and then finally the most interesting thing started, local farm laborers and peasants began to populate the villages and call themselves Cossacks (obviously you are the mother of these, like the Budyon Don Cossack), later populated the people from Russia and Ukraine populating the villages without fear that they would be chopped into cabbage because there was no one to chop already .. the worst thing is when some kind of drunk moved into the widows of Cossacks by force .. Now the facts - there was such a nation as Don Cossacks, of the same faith and speaking the same language with the Russians, but now they are gone !!! they described this people in their own ways very interestingly, they were more religious than Russians, their morals were very similar to the peoples of the North Caucasus, the cult of power, the cult of war, they were very different from the Russians and Armenians who were afraid of them by the way ..
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                  21 February 2020 17: 54
                  well, drove it?
                  first and foremost. The concept of nationality appeared in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.. if you asked Ivan the Terrible what nationality he was, he would look at you as a devil and put him on a stake. bully
                  second. "Walk the field" in the region of modern Ukraine appeared before the Golden Horde, that is, before the 11th century. until the 11th century, not the 17th from which you began your history. I will note that the first mention of the "Cossacks" refers to the 13-14th century (translated as a guard. From Turkic as a free man), but these are written sources and the population of these territories was formed much earlier. to understand who fled there and why, you need to study what happened at that time and who and who burned and cut. that's all who did not want to be stabbed to death because of someone's ambitions and poured further from large cities and rivers into the steppe. From these settlers, what later became the Cossacks was formed. but read about it yourself. too much to write.
                  since the land there is worse than the rivers, and the cultivation of the land was far from being as good as it is now (again, read how the work of the farmer of the 11th century differed from the farming of the 17th century and even less so of the present), naturally the settlers hunted by robbery. there is a lot of historical evidence about this. Of course then everyone was robbed, but the population walk the fields did not obey anyone and did what they wanted. and everything would be good for the Cossacks, but the international situation has changed. the question arose. with whom and against whom to be friends. around them were Krymchaks and Poles and the Principality of Lithuanian and Russian, and of course Russia. all of them had already thought that it was time to tie this mess. Well, Crimeans only to the lamp was. they hunted slaves there and for them it is like hunting grounds. the first to adapt the Cossacks to a controlled solution of military problems was invented by a certain Polish tycoon, unfortunately I don’t remember the last name. He provided them with a castle as a base and led the robbery, but in the end, something did not work out there. since most of the Slavs (not only the majority) were then turned to Catherine and in 1653 stood under the royal hand. why did everything grow together so quickly and successfully? for this you need to study the principles of the formation of the armies of that time, again themselves. in short, so many armed and trained people were not to accept sin. in addition, they signed up to guard the outskirts - that is, the border. in exchange for this they were given land. thus formed the Cossack estate - wars that serve the sovereign for the right to own land.
                  so to summarize - until 1653 a few free people everywhere not nationality, after 1653 the military estate which serves for the right to own land, again not nationality.
                  I will focus on some points that you noted:
                  Quote: aws4
                  Novocherkassk - the capital of the Don Cossacks

                  hi from Ekaterina wink nationality tightly fits Yes
                  Quote: aws4
                  The villages were inhabited by Cossacks and Russians as a rule botrach on the lands that were owned by the Cossacks .. while they generally did not feel love for them for obvious reasons.
                  let me remind you who owned the land then, since you have forgotten. nobles, boyars, landowners and Cossacks. everyone else was hired by those with land. Have you met nobles by nationality? maybe the landowner nation is familiar?
                  Quote: aws4
                  at 20 after the offensive from the Don was choked, the Bolsheviks were apparently really scared and realized that this issue needed to be solved .. these events were described to me in detail by the old Armenians.

                  I'll wash you! well what nonsense. the Bolsheviks did not really stand on ceremony with the large landowners and there was a chieftain on the drum, whether it was a Cossack or landowner. it is a class enemy. oops! again, no national binding wink
                  and a little more unpleasant stories for you ... do you know such a thing as gossip? learn. it, by the way, was started by Dinikin so handsome to you, not the Bolsheviks Yes
                  and here about the "destroyed" Cossacks, including the Don.
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%87%D1%8C%D0%B8_%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%9A%D0%9A%D0%90
                  there by the way it says who for what and why. so the fact that the Cossacks on the Don were destroyed is pure bullshit, excuse me.
                  or do you want to say that if this is not a rich Cossack who fought for the whites, then he is not a Cossack? you know, this is already too much.
                  Quote: aws4
                  Now the facts - there was such a nation as Don Cossacks, of the same faith and speaking the same language with the Russians, but now they are gone !!!

                  uh nah. no noodles needed Yes
                  fact - there was an estate that received the land, kept the laborers who worked on it and fought for it, and at the beginning of the 20th century they were contracted for all the dirty work to disperse demonstrations and hunger riots, etc., in which they succeeded head over heels in blood. distinguished by cruelty, which of course aroused great "love" of the people. about the same as the Semenovites. are the Semenovites also a nationality?
                  Quote: aws4
                  in fact, both mores and outwardly they were like small nations from the Caucasus, only by faith they were Orthodox and spoke Russian ..
                  still, when their ancestors are from Moscow and Novgorod ...

                  PS
                  and! are you still referring to Gumelev? so he argued that one narrative source is enough to write a story, and archaeological sources are generally unnecessary and consult other sources too. passionaries from him are taken as a result of irradiation of the earth with rays from space! He writes that of course it’s folding, but basically it's nonsense. By the way, he took Russian princes with Tatars in general into the lungs. just took it and decided it’s so funnier laughing
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                21 February 2020 16: 12
                and one more thing - I treat Russians very well, I grew up among Russians, I speak and think in Russian and love the Russian nation, considering its state to be forming, in no case do I blame the Russian people for exterminating the Cossacks and I think that it requires some money not from Russia not even from Russian is just ridiculous !!!!
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                  22 February 2020 20: 48
                  [first and foremost. the concept of nationality appeared in the late 19th and early 20th centuries] [/ i] where does it mean :? What does this have to do with our conversation? you're delusional? but just of course an interesting topic would be the event of the appearance of a nation and then they will classify it, in the rest you contradict yourself and essentially wrote that the Cossacks have nothing to do with the Russians, but about the majority we have half the Europeans)) ))) with the same success, according to your logic, Cossacks could become Poles, they too Slavs lol where is the logical chain? where did I even say that the Cossacks nationality ??? again your cynicism and meanness !!! or do you not know how a nationality differs from a nationality ??? or are you going to sing songs of modern tolerance that they say small nations are also nationalities .. so as not to belittle the dignity of most of the same peoples of Dagestan? Yes, believe them to spit, they have many reasons for pride, unlike you, let’s say .. we both understand why you proceed by proving that the Cossacks are not a nation .. and also liked the outskirts - do you think a nation cannot form on the outskirts? with his cult. language and traditions? and later this nation cannot become a nationality? a vivid example of Belarusians, they passed the last stage before our eyes and became a separate nationality in the full sense of the word .. now they are not a nationality included in the great Russian nation, but a separate nationality with its own state, language, culture, history, written language, etc. .d. come bring me official documents confirmed internationally that Ukrainians and Belarusians are not nationalities)let me remind you who owned the land then, since you have forgotten. nobles, boyars, landowners and Cossacks. everyone else was hired by those with land. Have you met nobles by nationality? maybe the landowner nation is familiar? and the Cossacks before the appearance of the Russian farm laborers did not work at all on the ground, everyone sat and waited for the Russian peasant to come to play for a hat of crackers on my land laughing what nonsense? you deliberately mix these two concepts, although you know that the Cossacks were also rich and not generals too .. is the general also a nationality ?, wink [ia here about the "destroyed" Cossacks, including the Don.
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%87%D1%8C%D0%B8_%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%9A%D0%9A%D0%90][/i] ой ссылочку из википедии скинул про то как те же русские, украинцы, батраки и т.д. казаками себя назвали и в бой пошли.. я тебе уже писал про это и Буденый яркий тому пример когда за все годы советской власти его считали донским казаком а по сути отношения не какого не имел просто родился на дону в семье батраков.. вот и эти казаки от тудо же... ты кого то умыть собрался? да с не мытым своим фейсом?какие там в тебе крови тякуть? донских казаков? lol
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                    25 February 2020 15: 16
                    Quote: aws4
                    in the estates you contradict yourself and essentially wrote that the Cossacks have nothing to do with Russian

                    she is like! laughing please quote where it is written?
                    Quote: aws4
                    where is the logical chain?

                    in .. please be kind to the studio the logical chain in accordance with which you made such phenomenal conclusions.
                    Quote: aws4
                    or are you going to sing songs of modern tolerance to me they say small nations are also nationalities.

                    this is not modern tolerance but an ethnographic fact. I am surprised that the level of education of modern Armenians has fallen so low. belay used to be some of the most educated people in Russia, but now it’s like ... Black-Hundred nonsense instead of a brain.
                    Quote: aws4
                    and I also liked about the outskirts - do you think a nationality cannot form on the outskirts? with his cult. language and traditions?

                    and where is there at least something not Russian? tongue? maybe their faith is somehow special, not Orthodox? maximum subculture, same as punks for example. the convicts also have their own Fenya language ... is it also a nationality? wassat
                    Quote: aws4
                    a vivid example of Belarusians, they passed the last stage before our eyes and became a separate nationality in the full sense of the word .. now they are not a nationality included in the great Russian nation, but a separate nationality with its own state, language, culture, history, written language, etc. .d.

                    awesome laughing where the dog rummaged wink as I expected ... nationality - people - nationality, there’s what the black-walled bastard is getting at laughing again to try to tear off part of the Russian people, to compose a language for them and some traditions in Poland, both for Ukrainians, and tear off the compatriots. Yes already passed, learned wink
                    Quote: aws4
                    threw off the link from Wikipedia about how the same Russians, Ukrainians, farm laborers, etc. They called themselves Cossacks and went into battle .. I already wrote to you about this and Budyonny was a vivid example of this when during all the years of Soviet power he was considered a Don Cossack, but in fact there wasn’t any relation, he was just born on a Don in a family of farm laborers .. and these Cossacks from there ... are you going to wash someone? Yes, not washed with his face? What blood is there in you to draw? Don Cossacks?

                    but I then think where the abomination is then? an Won Won laughing from you just like from Vanyusha Ilyin stinks laughing Black Hundred Fascism laughing I’m looking, have you already decided to judge the purity of blood, fascist? Well, for a fascist, this is normal Yes
                    your business is dead! you weren’t at 90, now it's too late laughing
                    but your suffering makes me happy Yes especially helplessness bully
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                23 February 2020 09: 59
                Sanych, standing ovation !!! You are the first who openly says that Cossacks are small gangs of swindlers who fled from central Russia
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                  24 February 2020 04: 03
                  that’s exactly the first one who carries such frank nonsense ... in fact, the meaning of this nonsense is to hide the destruction of a small nationality in order to avoid the accusation of genocide .. this topic was very inconvenient not with the union not now
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                  25 February 2020 14: 15
                  Quote: From Siberia we
                  You are the first who openly says that Cossacks are small gangs of swindlers who fled from central Russia

                  but where did they come from otherwise? from Mars arrived in the 15th century? there the people were very diverse, and from Poland and from Lithuania and from Russia of course. for the most part Slavs. there is a theory above that these are Polovtsy and Türks, but then the language would be different.
                  and gangs they can be considered purely conditionally. if the tsar’s army is robbing then this is the tsar’s will and all the rules. then the wars went like this, not much different from the modern concept of robbery ... and these in the field do not walk from the king, then pure gangs wink Well, right up until Catherine’s arm went. and then op and the royal army is already laughing
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            20 February 2020 17: 54
            is there any point now arguing about something? Do you believe the official history and I believe what was passed down from generation to generation by my relatives about what kind of people the Cossacks were and what happened here at 20
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            20 February 2020 20: 39
            That's right, because qazaqi is us !!!! High Alive Ridge Qazaqstan !!!!!!
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              21 February 2020 14: 03
              Cossacks wrote in Cyrillic, and who you are is a big mystery Yes
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                21 February 2020 16: 24
                Riddle and you are my good!
  24. DRM
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    20 February 2020 13: 19
    In 2012-2013. had direct contact with the representative of Rossotrudnichestvo in Odessa. From this "collaboration" I concluded that no action outside the pattern would be taken. And the template is simple - those who shout "Hurray" (like here on the site) will be financed. Although ... he was "Stirlitz" (damn the parachute dragged, under Yanukovych it was possible) and maybe I don't know something. But, the result is visible with the naked eye.
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    22 February 2020 20: 03
    Rossotrudnichestvo has completely failed in Ukraine, it is time to disperse and update.
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    22 February 2020 21: 55
    Quote: Talgat 148
    High Alive Ridge Qazaqstan !!!!!!


    Your Nazarbayev crap one's pants:
    http://rucompromat.com/articles/rossiysko-kazahstanskaya_korruptsiya_vspugnula_vnuka_nazarbaeva
    http://www.compromat.ru/page_39687.htm
    As the daughter of the President of Kazakhstan, using a "left" passport, she withdrawn millions of dollars into joint accounts with ex-husband Aliyev:
    http://www.compromat.ru/page_40015.htm
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      22 February 2020 22: 47
      Drop links about Russian politicians !?
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    23 February 2020 09: 24
    ".... we don't know how to choose partners." As for me, the problem is not only in this, but also in the fact that Russia itself is trying to fit into Western society. And what is the point for potential allies in this case to be with Russia, if they can do it without her? Not everyone wants to do this, but they have to ...
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    26 February 2020 09: 36
    Why escalate? Nobody takes the Cossacks seriously. They are guarding markets and warehouses! The mummers who know little about the Cossacks. Our main person is the President and the leader of the nation of Elbasy.
    The main thing is that Russia draws the right conclusions from the situation with Ukraine.
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    27 February 2020 23: 28
    In Ukraine, even that was better .... The man who glorified the UPA was awarded ... the Order of Friendship. And a couple of those who made the Russian language the language of the national minority and canceled its compulsory study in all scales of Ukraine were awarded the Pushkin Medal for .... the development and protection of the Russian language. The fish rots from the head, just clean it from the tail