The Netherlands Prosecutor's Office commented on the publication of MH17


On the platform for independent reporters, Bonanza Media released Dutch military intelligence data on the deployment of the Buk air defense system at the crash site of a Malaysian airline Boeing 777, flying in Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur in July 2014 and shot down by an unknown missile. The Netherlands Public Prosecutor's Office and the Joint Investigation Team have responded to this publication.


Today, the publication told about its attitude to new circumstances. RBC in the press service of the Dutch prosecutor’s office in response to a request from Russian journalists.

They said that the prosecutor’s office will give all assessments and comments regarding new evidence in the case or revealed circumstances only in the courtroom.

At the same time, the Western press, referring to the Netherlands prosecutor’s office, notes that the department "considers the publication of new information as pressure on the work of the body."

Recall that a little earlier on Dutch intelligence data was published on Bonanza Media that in the area of ​​the Boeing crash at the time of the disaster there were no Buk air defense systems for which the MH17 would be accessible.

The Dutch secret services claim that, flying over the Donbass, a passenger plane could not be shot down by the Buk complex, as the liner's route went outside the range of such equipment.

Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov believes that this information is yet another proof of Russia's non-involvement in the crash and loss of life.
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  1. Thrall 18 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    Once again, Dutch Dutchmen froze ...
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 17: 08 New
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      They understand that anyone who takes anything to court will do so under oath. And this is not the same as scribbling through the media, there is responsibility. Most (99% percent) of the "irrefutable evidence" from the media by itself is eliminated from unwillingness to be substituted for an article about perjury and falsification of evidence.
      1. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 17: 13 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Most (99% percent) of the "irrefutable evidence" from the media by itself is eliminated from unwillingness to be substituted for an article about falsification of evidence.

        it would be very good to eat like that, but there are precedents for making decisions on the basis of unsubstantiated statements with the wordings "apparently", "most likely", "maybe" ...
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 17: 19 New
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          The court, as is customary, will decide on the principle of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_a_reasonable_doubt
          Where "reasonable" is located - the court itself will determine.
          1. Range 18 February 2020 18: 53 New
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            Yes, who will believe them? Only biased bad guys and overseas assistant directors. And the directors already know that the cat ate meat.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 57 New
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              It doesn’t matter who will believe. It is important who recognizes the court decision and further legal consequences in the form of sanctions in case of refusal of the perpetrator to execute the decision.
              1. Range 18 February 2020 19: 08 New
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                Do not make me laugh. Sanctions are already turning into a joke (tinsel) - pillow war. There are not sanctions, but direct commands to their vassals, while sanctions are just an external wrapper: people undo everything.
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 19: 12 New
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                  That's great, we laugh so we laugh.
                  1. Range 18 February 2020 19: 16 New
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                    I didn’t put you a minus. And, in general, I do not indulge in minuses. I consider a minus without comment - this is the mentality of the scumbags. The latter is not for you, Vyacheslav.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 19: 17 New
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                      I don’t know what this comment is for, but I didn’t give you any cons either. In general, I rarely use them, my browser is buggy from them, I have to reload the page. Just in case, put a plus sign.
                      1. Range 18 February 2020 19: 20 New
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                        The latter does not apply to you. I just did not manage to add the last sentence to your answer. Sorry. hi
        2. Avior 18 February 2020 17: 21 New
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          Not certainly in that way
          As for us, we are accustomed to the wording used by journalists - “irrefutable evidence”, only a literary image, in jurisprudence, the principle is different “beyond any reasonable doubt”.
          And of course, evidence is needed anyway.
          1. Aerodrome 18 February 2020 17: 25 New
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            Moreover, in the Western press,
            - what a true typo ...
            1. Abbot 18 February 2020 17: 34 New
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              Netherlands intelligence that there was not a single Buk air defense system in the area of ​​the Boeing’s fall at the time of the disaster, for which the MH17 would be accessible

              They do not specify what kind of super-duper intelligence is in the Netherlands and where does it get such data from, not? James Bond stoned. The whole JIT case is built on data from Buk air defense systems. Fragments of a rocket, wreckage of an aircraft, the striking elements in the bodies of passengers ... That's it! Now, we must understand, they are moving off the topic when it turned out whose rocket it was.
              1. Amateur 18 February 2020 17: 39 New
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                They do not specify what kind of super-duper intelligence in the Netherlands is and where it got such data

                In the red light district, fellow men chatted a lot.
              2. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 17: 56 New
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                Quote: Abbot
                Wreckage of a rocket, wreckage of an aircraft, striking elements in the bodies of passengers ...

                The main miracle is that the Dutch do not have a single striking element. True, they presented some two pieces of iron, but they turned out to be a roofing iron.
                Russia gave the Dutch data on the shape of the striking elements of Bukov over the years. But did not give samples, nor chemical composition. Therefore, they talk about beeches, but without damaging elements.
                1. Avior 18 February 2020 18: 07 New
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                  Are these elements missing?
                  1. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 18: 15 New
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                    There should be hundreds, and not rusty. These could bring from Georgia, Syria, Iraq. Collected for 5 years. And in the first two years of the investigation, nothing was presented.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 59 New
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                      Another vivid illustration that a certain category of people requires evidence, not because they are interested in evidence, but solely in the context of digging something, it does not matter what.
                      1. Oyo Sarkazmi 19 February 2020 13: 38 New
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                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Another vivid illustration that a certain category of people requires proof

                        Well, evidence downloaded from the Internet in the form of Buk without rockets, cunning users quickly localized the place of shooting. So, Buk at the move was removed near Slavyansk - in the background was an advertising banner with the address of the car repair shop. The photo was cropped, the original was deleted - evidence remains. Beech loading on a trailer. The combination of forest belt and power line pushed the loading place 200 km west of the DPR / LPR. The high-voltage line was cleaned up, the evidence remained. One girl discovered 5 fake accounts on her behalf, where she corresponded with a bouncer who shot down a Boeing. She sent complaints, deleted accounts - screenshots of correspondence were included in the evidence base.
                      2. Mimoprohodil 19 February 2020 17: 28 New
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                        [quote] This is not cunning users, but a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry. No address is visible there.
                  2. Avior 18 February 2020 19: 40 New
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                    20 minutes before this post, they weren’t at all in your post.
                    The main miracle is that the Dutch do not have a single striking element.
                    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 19 February 2020 13: 29 New
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                      I was sitting on Lente.ru when the first "striking elements" were presented. 2 years after the disaster. And these elements were described as parallelepipeds of 5 mm on the larger side. Neither before nor after, the findings of the damaging elements were not reported. Then the Russian Ministry of Defense gave a description of the damaging elements of missiles of different years. And now, after 5 years, 5 pieces were presented. What were these three years from the presentation of the first certificates to this exhibition? And there should be hundreds in the first week of the investigation. With acts and video filming of extracting each shard.
            2. DymOk_v_dYmke 18 February 2020 19: 10 New
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              Quote: Abbot
              The whole JIT case is built on data from Buk air defense systems. Fragments of a rocket, wreckage of an aircraft, the striking elements in the bodies of passengers ... That's it! Now, we must understand, they are moving off the topic when it turned out whose rocket it was.

              Unfortunately, tracking a missile’s path by serial numbers on its wreckage from the manufacturer until a certain time can not say anything about its movements just before launch, nor about who carried out the launch.
              1. Abbot 18 February 2020 20: 20 New
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                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                Unfortunately, tracking a missile’s path by serial numbers on its wreckage from the manufacturer until a certain time can not say anything about its movements just before launch, nor about who carried out the launch.

                Must clarify. The investigation, the entire evidence base is based on the version that the Malaysian Boeing was shot down by the Buk missile defense system, you know? Briefings, comments in the Western media, reports of "experts" from Bellingcat, reports of the international commission JIT. Literally everything for five and a half years. And from the Russian side - statements and briefings of the Ministry of Defense, statements and experiments of the Almaz-Antey concern. And now the stuffing is done, that according to some intelligence data (?) In the region of the disaster, there were no “beeches” in the reach zone at all. And this whole circus called "international investigation" is multiplied by zero. And already, by the way, the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is charging charges against specific people.
              2. O. Bender 18 February 2020 20: 27 New
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                According to information from the manufacturer’s archive, based on the data recorded in the form on the product as a whole and on each node in particular, it is possible to track the movement of the rocket in this case with a high degree of probability. This was done. The final point where the rocket lived is warehouses in vain and not it is important in which corner she was lying. It is important that the place where she was taken from is the APU warehouse.
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke 18 February 2020 21: 25 New
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                  Quote: O. Bender
                  According to information from the manufacturer’s archive, based on the data recorded in the form on the product as a whole and on each node in particular, it is possible to track the movement of the rocket in this case with a high degree of probability. This was done. The final point where the rocket lived is warehouses in vain and not it is important in which corner she was lying. It is important that the place where she was taken from is the APU warehouse.

                  Alexander, so am I about the same. Prior to the HF of Ukraine, the path is tracked, then no. Whether Ukraine was stolen from a BP warehouse that burned down “accidentally” or was placed in a military unit, Ukraine modestly does not disclose this. Yes, even if the missile was taken back by the militia along with the launcher, Ukraine is interested in declaring this.
                  Does not state. => A specific missile did not fall into the hands of the militias.
            3. Siberian54 19 February 2020 14: 57 New
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              there were no "damaging elements" in the bodies of the passenger .. Here is such an investigation mathematics .. the rocket engine had to be quietly removed .. Higher mathematics .. And now the air defense systems were not in the way of the liner .. And the State Department after hysteria that they have shots suddenly shut up and nervously aside smokes ..
          2. Piramidon 18 February 2020 17: 49 New
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            Quote: Aerodrome
            Moreover, in the Western press,
            - what a true typo ...

            They press on some organ
            consider the publication of new information as pressure on the work of the body
  2. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    Quote: Thrall
    Once again, Dutch Dutchmen froze ...

    Their business is small: to destroy all the evidence and stretch the business for a dozen years, so that people forget about their relatives.
    And they are not pulling in order to fence off Ukraine, or denigrate Russia. Their owner is completely different.
  3. svp67 18 February 2020 18: 59 New
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    Quote: Thrall
    Once again, Dutch Dutchmen froze ...

    So no ... and honestly I do not understand Peskov’s optimism
    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov believes that this information is yet another proof of Russia's non-involvement in the crash and loss of life.
    On the contrary, this information plays into the hands of those who blame Russia. It turns out that it was impossible to shoot down the aircraft from the indicated locations of the Buk air defense systems, that Russia and Ukraine, but if they shot down the Buk missile, it means that the Buk was not located in the indicated areas and positions, and this could have been transferred Russia Buk militia.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 19 February 2020 07: 48 New
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      Yesterday I threw cons for such an assumption!))
      1. svp67 19 February 2020 09: 51 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Yesterday I threw cons for such an assumption!))

        And you immediately changed your mind?
        1. The leader of the Redskins 19 February 2020 11: 14 New
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          Of course not!) But the number of stubborn is still impressive))
          1. svp67 19 February 2020 19: 30 New
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            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Of course not!)

            And this is good.
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            But the number of stubborn is still impressive))

            As my mother used to say: “If everyone goes drowning, you won’t go with them ...” Everyone should have their own personal opinion, but “herd”, she didn’t lead to good
  4. phair 20 February 2020 08: 48 New
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    But RBC could not answer otherwise. Worse only echoes of matzah (telaviva ear).
  • orionvitt 18 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    Let's see the show in court. Let's see how they will "sculpt a hunchback."
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 17: 58 New
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      About Kay Google. Download the results of the investigation of the disaster MH17 !!!
      Found 15 thousand options.
  • sergo1914 18 February 2020 17: 00 New
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    That Buk turned on stealth mode. What is not the version?
    1. Vladimir_2U 18 February 2020 17: 03 New
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      Quote: sergo1914
      That Buk turned on stealth mode
      And the US has mastered invisibility best! So everywhere they write generally.
      1. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 17: 15 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And the US has mastered invisibility best!

        but there are already 5 years the troops of the Russian Federation that no one can photograph! all the same, the arrows will be transferred to Russia .. request
  • Azazelo 18 February 2020 17: 01 New
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    Publication is pressure on an organ .... as said.
    I don’t care the truth, I don’t care about justice - just to shamefully not look.
  • Fantazer911 18 February 2020 17: 02 New
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    Dutch law is like a drawbar, where the United States turns!
    1. Aerodrome 18 February 2020 17: 56 New
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      Quote: Fantazer911
      Dutch law is like a drawbar, where the United States turns!

      how to smoke, so it happened ....
      1. Fantazer911 18 February 2020 18: 01 New
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        Smoked a couple with the Dutch hi
  • BARKAS 18 February 2020 17: 04 New
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    Once again, the prosecutor's office or a court in the Netherlands simply stupidly ignores this kind of evidence.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 18: 02 New
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      They do not ignore him. They are building it. At the time of the disaster, the Americans had 12 satellites of the designated purpose watching the Donbass. And 18 - unidentified.
      But I stand on my version - they shot at Putin flying to Rostov-on-Don. Of course, there were few chances. But "identified" by tricolor. And they fired without thinking. And not the Ukrainians. Otherwise, the Dutch would not have torn their ass.
  • Lamata 18 February 2020 17: 04 New
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    Wang, that the court will not take this into account, the prerequisite already exists - pressure on the investigation
    1. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 17: 18 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      the premise is already there - pressure on the investigation

      but then from such evidence as "the lack of beech along the route of the aircraft" will have to be abandoned.
    2. God save the king 18 February 2020 17: 20 New
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      In your opinion, the court should take into account the fake stuffing of one-day newspapers?
      Undoubtedly, the Basmanny Court would have done so, but rotting Europeans have slightly different ideas about justice.
      1. Sewer krainiy 18 February 2020 17: 44 New
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        In your opinion, the court should take into account the fake stuffing of one-day newspapers?
        Undoubtedly, the Basmanny Court would have done so, but rotting Europeans have slightly different ideas about justice.


        And in your opinion, the court should take into account the devil knows what stuffing, photos, etc., the so-called evidence from the Internet? A one-day newspaper has at least an address, an editor, not an online fake. You can file a lawsuit against her for a lie. But some courts, let’s not point a finger, gathered evidence from the Internet ... go find witnesses laughing laughing laughing
        1. God save the king 18 February 2020 17: 50 New
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          the court must take into account the devil knows what stuffing, photos, etc., the so-called evidence from the Internet?
          The court will ensure that the parties to the prosecution and the defense provide it. And it’s the job of the prosecutor’s office to seek evidence everywhere, even in a landfill, even on the Internet.
          You can sue her for a lie
          This is the whole charm of stuffing, there is usually no one to sue for slander, so you can write any nonsense under the guise of "secret informants."
          1. Lamata 18 February 2020 18: 14 New
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            You yourself contradict yourself, then fake stuffing, then look in the trash.
            1. God save the king 18 February 2020 18: 22 New
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              Where are the contradictions?
              Should the prosecutor's office examine for validity all available information? - Of course it should.
              Can information from one-day newspapers be allegedly obtained from "anonymous secret sources"? “I don't think so.”
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi 18 February 2020 18: 11 New
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        Quote: God save the King
        In your opinion, the court should take into account the fake stuffing of one-day newspapers?

        Are you talking about investigators who download evidence from the Internet? Who didn’t bother to interrogate either the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, did not find the distributor of the Kharkov Knot, with his name and place of residence, or the pilot Voloshin. They are only interested in names from the Internet. Russian and DNR.
  • paul3390 18 February 2020 17: 05 New
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    If he were a Kirzach, they would put pressure on the corresponding organ ... That would be pressure .. And so - the truth is they see the eyes piercing, they can’t eat.
  • Alexey RA 18 February 2020 17: 08 New
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    They said that the prosecutor’s office will give all assessments and comments regarding new evidence in the case or revealed circumstances only in the courtroom.

    At the same time, the Western press, referring to the Netherlands prosecutor’s office, notes that the department "considers the publication of new information as pressure on the work of the body."

    Yep .. the culprit has already been appointed, and no facts will change our decision. sad
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 17: 38 New
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      Quote: Alexey RA
      Yeah .. the guilty party has already been appointed, and no facts will change our decision.

      Most likely, this will be guided by. And only they have a humane and fair court.
  • Lelek 18 February 2020 17: 09 New
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    ... Bonanza Media published Dutch intelligence that there was not a single Buk air defense system in the area of ​​the Boeing’s fall at the time of the disaster, for which the MH17 would be accessible.

    Famously applied. There (according to intelligence) it was also said that there were 2 Ukrainian military aircraft in the air during the Boeing tragedy. So the “Marleson ballet” is being promoted with a new score.
  • Strashila 18 February 2020 17: 10 New
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    Everything that does not fit into their interpretation of events, in their opinion, does not correspond to reality, well, or pressure on the investigation, which actually did not exist.
  • ender 18 February 2020 17: 15 New
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    not mine, but in detail on the topic

    So what do we have today? Yes, here. Another round of history with the motto "Yes, we ..!". Or a brief guide to the information war.
    The first news in the top of Yandex: "The media in the Netherlands announced the absence of Buk complexes in the MH17 crash site."
    We look there. Our entire press writes about this as if on command (how?). The Yandex top is not formed by hands, but automatically. A huge number of Runet users read the headlines of 5 news on the main page, and nothing more on the topic.
    The title, if that, also no one writes with his hands. Automatically selected the most, according to the algorithm, suitable for the situation. In our case, it was Izvestia. Then others were already selected. This is happening dynamically.
    We look further at the source of information. It was TASS today at 0.31. Why at such a weird time? I do not know for sure. But I suspect that just in order that by morning, when everyone wakes up, the news was already in the top. Now let's see who TASS refers to?
    And he refers to the platform "for independent journalists of Bonanza Media". That is, we immediately think that these are some kind of independent Dutch journalists, but these are for the truth, unlike any Belingcat. At the same time, TASS bashfully does not provide a link to this platform. But he gives an interview with its founders, and this is the Dutch journalist Max van der Verff and suddenly the Russian journalist Yana Erlashova (by the way lives in Moscow).
    I have nothing to be ashamed of. I give you a link (https://mailchi.mp/69054d39ee63/bonanzamedia-newsletter-2?e=bdec9af591&fbclid=IwAR1piv1MRCgHQmmA8RUQcEwT_GNEISX1exGbNrw3_CZRmfe04k-DEdAzcx The page started in early February. This publication is second to her.
    There are no other participants besides these two in the group of “independent journalists”.
    Kommersant, who also reposted this drain, saved me time and wrote that Yana used to work on Russia Today. And her partner, as it turned out, is a Dutchman only by name and origin. And his conspiratorial heart and brain have long been in the Donbass. Such are the "Dutch media".
    Further, a short search showed that Yana has a long history associated with the downed MH17. She was described in detail six months ago by aviation expert Vadim Lukashevich in connection with a documentary about the tragedy, which this couple then took off for money that fell literally from the sky.
    Well, finally, look at the heroine’s Facebook. And that is exactly what the profiles of independent indifferent journalists should look like, who put their lives to fight the lying West!
    https://www.facebook.com/kroshkapushka
    Baby gun, your mother!

    Update At first, the news was distributed through Kremlin telegram channels and twitter accounts. For example, yesterday at 23.21 p.m. Lahtin @xaerostar posted news about the Netherlands, citing Twitter "Uruguayan intelligence." https://trollitota.d3.ru/nesoglasovannost– metodichek–1929920/ which is earlier than the news appeared in the media.
    1. Evil543 18 February 2020 17: 24 New
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      Stop galloping, 30 silver coins are lost laughing
      1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 17: 42 New
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        Quote: Evil543
        Stop galloping, 30 silver coins are lost

        It will be good to jump, another 30 will add.
      2. Ggc1 18 February 2020 18: 54 New
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        Not the fact that urine is good for the eyes
    2. Siberian54 19 February 2020 15: 06 New
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      put a negative news saw on the pro-Ukrainian "frame" before it appeared on the "Yandex"
  • Dmitry Potapov 18 February 2020 17: 16 New
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    During my youth there was an expression "Dutch asterisk", obviously for a reason!
  • alien 18 February 2020 17: 16 New
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    Quote: orionvitt
    Let's see the show in court. Let's see how they will "sculpt a hunchback."


    “The most important question is why there is a delay in the start of the trial regarding the disaster of the Malaysian Boeing. The answer is simple: because Russia is ready for it, but its Western prosecutors are not.
    There was only a demonstration of fakes, explicitly modeled or taken from social networks, unprofessional photo-toads and so on. All this, of course, played a certain role - public opinion was swayed, Russia was accused, sanctions were imposed ”

    “And now you have to answer. There will be a court and evidence will be presented, lawyers and journalists will work. Therefore, Russia has nothing to worry about: among the many journalists from around the world there will be those who understand that discovering the truth is a chance for them. A chance to become famous, to make a sensation, to prove yourself as an objective reporter. And the usual pressure from the USA on the world media with a message, they say, there are only two opinions - ours and the wrong one, will not work anymore ”

    Franz Klintsevich
    https://news/2020/2/18/1024368.html
    1. New Year day 18 February 2020 17: 33 New
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      Quote: Alien
      Franz Klintsevich

      1. alien 18 February 2020 17: 49 New
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        If you have something against Franz Klintsevich, it’s not on this thread. Here is the essence of the matter.
        1. New Year day 18 February 2020 17: 51 New
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          Quote: Alien
          If you have something against Franz Klintsevich, it’s not on this thread.

          the source of trust does not cause
          Quote: Alien
          as a matter of fact.

          a lot of PR
          1. alien 18 February 2020 17: 56 New
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            The fact is that only by joining together can these issues be resolved, and if like fish, pike and cancer, then there will be no sense.
            1. Grim Reaper 18 February 2020 21: 34 New
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              Quote: Alien
              The fact is that only by joining together can these issues be resolved, and if like fish, pike and cancer, then there will be no sense.

              wassat
              Oh, I can’t. And so the "American spies" are scorching.
              fellow
              1. alien 18 February 2020 21: 38 New
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                Nude, shoot on.
                1. Grim Reaper 18 February 2020 21: 40 New
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                  Quote: Alien
                  Nude, shoot on.

                  That's all, I can’t do it anymore. wassat laughing fool repeat bully
                  1. alien 18 February 2020 22: 33 New
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                    He reads books, he lives bored, doesn’t even ask for mercy, and I’ll tell you who is waiting for everyone ...
                  2. rich 19 February 2020 03: 52 New
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                    Yes laughing For such punctures, at least immediately withdraw and shoulder straps are removed. Now according to the rules of the genre alien (Arthur Kryzhanovsky) will translate arrows on Ukrainians, Israelis, or other Russian-speaking hi
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                      Quote: Rich
                      will translate arrows on Ukrainians, Israelis, or other Russian-speaking

                      Do not judge all by yourself "rich"Dmitry, in VO - know better. lol
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                  Do you want a non-ordinary party member to speak out negatively ??? Here it is: nude! Nude !!
    2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 17: 46 New
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      “The most important question is why there is a delay in the start of the trial regarding the disaster of the Malaysian Boeing. The answer is simple: because Russia is ready for it, but its Western prosecutors are not.
      The delay was because it took five years to pour more feces, which could be presented in court as “undeniable evidence”.
      1. alien 18 February 2020 18: 06 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The delay was because it took five years to pour more feces, which could be presented in court as “undeniable evidence”.

        And will not be.

        Ukraine did not provide radar data, there are no records of negotiations between Ukrainian military dispatchers, ammunition accounting books in Ukraine at the time of the disaster, reasons for the non-closure of airspace for civil aviation in the combat zone in southeastern Ukraine. And most importantly, no one has seen the satellite images that Washington has announced.
        1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 19: 23 New
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          Quote: Alien
          Ukraine did not provide radar data, there are no records of negotiations of Ukrainian military dispatchers

          Nobody will provide this, for the court it will be more important to prove the vile media, and on the basis of this they will make a decision that has long been known.
          1. alien 18 February 2020 19: 29 New
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            Well, yes, the main thing is that sanctions have been introduced, but there, at least the grass does not grow.
  • God save the king 18 February 2020 17: 17 New
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    What Bonanza Media is all about is not difficult to understand, just go to their media resources and it will become completely obvious - this is the next one-day newspaper, “horns and hooves,” specializing in stuffing on the subject of a shot down MH17.
    With the same success, all the major Russian media could refer to pensioner Maria Ivanovna, who on the bench in front of the entrance shares “information from secret sources”.
  • Mar.Tirah 18 February 2020 17: 18 New
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    They understand that anyone who takes anything to court will do so under oath.

    They were already dusting their brains not only with their citizens, but also with us. Right away there was a version about the SU-25 operating in that area, even the satellite pictures were laid out, then there was information about the AFU BUK working in the Zaroshchensk area. Now again the SU-25 is already with a "shot" pilot? Well, do not forget about another detective from Germany, conducting his investigation, who announced the publication of shocking data. So what can we wait?
    1. Avior 18 February 2020 17: 35 New
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      Actually, everything that you wrote has nothing to do with the Dutch, they never had and do not have a version with the Su-25, the Investigative Committee had such an official version.
      The Dutch, like Diamond - Antey, always adhered to the version of Buka.
    2. Sewer krainiy 18 February 2020 17: 50 New
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      So wait?
      Right, wait. Russia holds the joker up its sleeve, however, because of this, and the delay with the so-called investigation. Know apparently. My opinion. Therefore, let’s wait, let’s take a break.
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      Quote: Mar. Tira
      They were already dusting their brains not only with their citizens, but also with us. Immediately there was a version about the SU-25 operating in that area,

      For this, for five years, brains were powdered to divert the investigation from this SU-25.
  • purple 18 February 2020 17: 22 New
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    Quote: God save the King
    What Bonanza Media is all about is not difficult to understand, just go to their media resources and it will become completely obvious - this is the next one-day newspaper, “horns and hooves,” specializing in stuffing on the subject of a shot down MH17.
    With the same success, all the major Russian media could refer to pensioner Maria Ivanovna, who on the bench in front of the entrance shares “information from secret sources”.

    Well, and bellingcat, too, in principle, from the same opera ...
    1. God save the king 18 February 2020 17: 43 New
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      Almost true, but they at least do not generate fakes by "secret sources", but only give their "expert evaluation" of information from open access, about the same we are doing in the comments here.
  • purple 18 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Quote: ender
    not mine, but in detail on the topic

    So what do we have today? Yes, here. Another round of history with the motto "Yes, we ..!". Or a brief guide to the information war.
    The first news in the top of Yandex: "The media in the Netherlands announced the absence of Buk complexes in the MH17 crash site."
    We look there. Our entire press writes about this as if on command (how?). The Yandex top is not formed by hands, but automatically. A huge number of Runet users read the headlines of 5 news on the main page, and nothing more on the topic.
    The title, if that, also no one writes with his hands. Automatically selected the most, according to the algorithm, suitable for the situation. In our case, it was Izvestia. Then others were already selected. This is happening dynamically.
    We look further at the source of information. It was TASS today at 0.31. Why at such a weird time? I do not know for sure. But I suspect that just in order that by morning, when everyone wakes up, the news was already in the top. Now let's see who TASS refers to?
    And he refers to the platform "for independent journalists of Bonanza Media". That is, we immediately think that these are some kind of independent Dutch journalists, but these are for the truth, unlike any Belingcat. At the same time, TASS bashfully does not provide a link to this platform. But he gives an interview with its founders, and this is the Dutch journalist Max van der Verff and suddenly the Russian journalist Yana Erlashova (by the way lives in Moscow).
    I have nothing to be ashamed of. I give you a link (https://mailchi.mp/69054d39ee63/bonanzamedia-newsletter-2?e=bdec9af591&fbclid=IwAR1piv1MRCgHQmmA8RUQcEwT_GNEISX1exGbNrw3_CZRmfe04k-DEdAzcx The page started in early February. This publication is second to her.
    There are no other participants besides these two in the group of “independent journalists”.
    Kommersant, who also reposted this drain, saved me time and wrote that Yana used to work on Russia Today. And her partner, as it turned out, is a Dutchman only by name and origin. And his conspiratorial heart and brain have long been in the Donbass. Such are the "Dutch media".
    Further, a short search showed that Yana has a long history associated with the downed MH17. She was described in detail six months ago by aviation expert Vadim Lukashevich in connection with a documentary about the tragedy, which this couple then took off for money that fell literally from the sky.
    Well, finally, look at the heroine’s Facebook. And that is exactly what the profiles of independent indifferent journalists should look like, who put their lives to fight the lying West!
    https://www.facebook.com/kroshkapushka
    Baby gun, your mother!

    Update At first, the news was distributed through Kremlin telegram channels and twitter accounts. For example, yesterday at 23.21 p.m. Lahtin @xaerostar posted news about the Netherlands, citing Twitter "Uruguayan intelligence." https://trollitota.d3.ru/nesoglasovannost– metodichek–1929920/ which is earlier than the news appeared in the media.

    so what? I don’t understand, Or lad from Ukraine?
  • Aliken 18 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    Now they will start digging the financing of the portal, they will look for the “Russian trace”.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 17: 34 New
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      Six months ago, Max van der Verff made a joint movie with an ex-employee of RT about a downed Boeing. Sense to dig what lies on the surface?
    2. Avior 18 February 2020 17: 37 New
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      Come on you. A portal with only two posts .....
  • Operator 18 February 2020 17: 33 New
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    Marijuana to help them.
  • Prisoner 18 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    what The Dutch prosecutors have no choice but to declare all of their military intelligence agents of the Kremlin. request The only way.
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      The Dutch prosecutors have no choice but to declare all of their military intelligence agents of the Kremlin.

      Again these Bashirov and Pavlov were mischievous. It all starts with the words "The whole world knows ...." As in the temple, first for health, and then for peace.
  • Lamata 18 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    Hodor was released not in the blink of an eye that Yukos had sold, apparently there was some sort of political bargaining
  • yaros 18 February 2020 17: 45 New
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    I don’t know who shot down there, but I’m guessing that at that time, up to minutes, the Keyhol flew the most powerful reconnaissance satellite, those who served in the relevant troops know that, and the Americans at the highest level confirmed the availability of images high resolution (as always they are very secret and will not be shown) and ours confirmed the presence of a satellite at the first MO briefing (for those who are in the tank, they are especially tracked), and in orbit there are usually a couple of them at the same time, so I doubt very much a simple coincidence of the fact of the presence of a satellite over the area where the dispatchers sent the plane, accurate to the minute ...
  • rudolff 18 February 2020 17: 49 New
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    If this were true, the Russian Ministry of Defense would have long voiced this fact. And no intelligence is needed. There are means of objective control near the border, there is a flight route, there are accurate performance characteristics of all variants of the Buk air defense system, and there are cases of the location of the air defense system passing through the case. It would make no sense to conduct any investigative experiments. And then ... they didn’t even notice the elephant! It looks like a fake.
  • Thrifty 18 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    What other organs are being pressed? There is no pressure, and you need to beat, on these very "organs", and their owners, to stop lying impudently.
  • businessv 18 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    The Dutch secret services claim that, flying over the Donbass, a passenger plane could not be shot down by the Buk complex, as the liner's route went outside the range of such equipment.
    It’s just that the process will take place soon, so all the data from earlier statements is canceled, whatever one may say, and the judges do not want to be clowns! It is impossible to issue a verdict on the basis of Haili Like because then the verdict will be the same!
  • Kerensky 18 February 2020 18: 00 New
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    появились Dutch military intelligence on the deployment of the Buk air defense system at the crash site of a Boeing 777

    What? !! Netherlands military intelligence had data on the location of anti-aircraft missile systems?
    I demand to compare with the same maps of foreign intelligence about. Pitcairn, as well as intelligence of Monaco, Lishtenstein and the Vatican ....
  • denplot 18 February 2020 18: 05 New
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    At the trial, everything will be as always. They will blame Russia, Russia, on the basis of evidence, "which is there, but they are secret and we will not show them to you." Well, we spit on them ..
  • Pacifist with AK 18 February 2020 18: 23 New
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    Pressure on organs, pressure on organs .... "Would you chop off these organs !!!" (c)
    Stoned Dutch prosecutors heaped up so many lies and policies that they won’t be able to launder! There’s only one way out - to lie and dodge to the end .....
  • Ggc1 18 February 2020 18: 32 New
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    The publication (https://mailchi.mp/69054d39ee63/bonanzamedia-newsletter-2?e=bdec9af591) on the Bonanza Media website states that a letter with data on the positions of all Buk complexes (both Russian and Ukrainian) was sent by Dutch military intelligence to the Dutch prosecutor’s office back in 2016. The publication also refers to the testimony of an unnamed witness, who stated that shortly before the crash, Boeing saw fighters in the sky.

    Founder of Vopanza Media Yana Erlashova previously worked on the TV channel
    RT (Russia Today).


    These are the "sources" and spread such a deceitful formation:
    - Journalist @RT_Com Yana Erlashova registers pseudo-media
    "Wonanza Media" in the Netherlands.
    - Vopanza Media publishes a fake about MH17.
    - Dozens of Russian media refer to him.
    “This information confirms the correctness of Russia,” said Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Russian president. According to him, the "new" data cast doubt on the "biased" position of the international investigation team, which accuses Russia of involvement in the crash of the liner.

    Who is this for?
    1. purple 18 February 2020 18: 38 New
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      Quote: GGC1
      The publication (https://mailchi.mp/69054d39ee63/bonanzamedia-newsletter-2?e=bdec9af591) on the Bonanza Media website states that a letter with data on the positions of all Buk complexes (both Russian and Ukrainian) was sent by Dutch military intelligence to the Dutch prosecutor’s office back in 2016. The publication also refers to the testimony of an unnamed witness, who stated that shortly before the crash, Boeing saw fighters in the sky.

      Founder of Vopanza Media Yana Erlashova previously worked on the TV channel
      RT (Russia Today).


      These are the "sources" and spread such a deceitful formation:
      - Journalist @RT_Com Yana Erlashova registers pseudo-media
      "Wonanza Media" in the Netherlands.
      - Vopanza Media publishes a fake about MH17.
      - Dozens of Russian media refer to him.
      “This information confirms the correctness of Russia,” said Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Russian president. According to him, the "new" data cast doubt on the "biased" position of the international investigation team, which accuses Russia of involvement in the crash of the liner.

      Who is this for?

      Another ... well, finally write to the censor ...
    2. Vasya Seliverstov 20 February 2020 16: 46 New
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      Quote: GGC1

      Founder of Vopanza Media Yana Erlashova previously worked on the TV channel
      RT (Russia Today).


      These are the "sources" and spread such a deceitful formation:
      - Journalist @RT_Com Yana Erlashova registers pseudo-media
      "Wonanza Media" in the Netherlands.
      - Vopanza Media publishes a fake about MH17.
      - Dozens of Russian media refer to him.
      Who is this for?

      If this is fake and false information, why
      Australian Federal Police Confirms Authenticity of Part of MH17 Investigation Documents Online
  • purple 18 February 2020 18: 37 New
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    Where are the contradictions?
    Should the prosecutor's office examine for validity all available information? - Of course it should.
    Can information from one-day newspapers be allegedly obtained from "anonymous secret sources"? “I don't think so.”

    And who do you think of Bellingkat? Credible source?
    1. God save the king 18 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      And who do you think of Bellingkat? Credible source?
      Bellingcat is not a source, it is just an agency distributing its divan analytics based on open data.
  • purple 18 February 2020 18: 48 New
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    Quote: GGC1
    https://www.facebook.com/kroshkapushka

    On people like you ... who believe in this nonsense
    https://www.facebook.com/kroshkapushka
    Page not found...
    https://trollitota.d3.ru/nesoglasovannost–metodichek–1929920/
    also not working ... solid balls laughing
    Ukrainian hiberfisk in action laughing laughing
    1. Ggc1 18 February 2020 19: 01 New
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      I did not give such links. You haven’t messed up anything, dear? Maybe you should wear glasses and read carefully?
      1. purple 18 February 2020 19: 03 New
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        You need to wear glasses ... read the topic above where the legs grow .. the text is one to one, just repost and you can ... cyborgs laughing laughing
  • Horon 18 February 2020 18: 56 New
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    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov believes that this information is yet another proof of Russia's non-involvement in the crash and loss of life.

    It would be better to keep silent.
  • Dikson 18 February 2020 19: 26 New
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    Judging by the latest news, Dutch judges very well knock money out of Russia .. Here, compensation for a fallen Boeing will also be judged not frail ..
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      These Dutch are such entertainers. Yes, "Buk" it was, and Ukrainian. Even the missile itself was tracked - where it was produced, when, and by what military unit it was received. Read, look, and everything will fall into place https://topcor.ru/9707-kievskoj-vlasti-pridetsja-otvechat-za-unichtozhennyj-malajzijskij-boing.html. So, after all, this information is not classified, everyone knows everything. What else is there to investigate - I do not know. It’s time for the guilty parties to put on handcuffs for a long time, but this is unlikely to happen in our lifetime.
  • Russian_man 18 February 2020 21: 42 New
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    Now, I came up with a joke - the Gniderland prosecutor’s office ...))
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    1. Vasya Seliverstov 20 February 2020 16: 43 New
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      Quote: Aleksandr Kisler
      How in Russia do fake lies?

      If it's a fake and a lie, why
      Australian Federal Police Confirms Authenticity of Part of MH17 Investigation Documents Online
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  • Alexey from Perm 19 February 2020 01: 06 New
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    yeah, we ourselves are good. We declare that the plane was shot down by Ukrainian Su 25 with 100% certainty, then again with 100% certainty we are talking about the Ukrainian beech and the found part of the missile with the marking. Which version to believe then?)))
  • tolmachiev51 19 February 2020 04: 29 New
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    Apparently not everything is as smooth as it was at the beginning of the accusations, which is why there are similar stuffing. The desire to maintain a good “face” with a bad game.
  • g1washntwn 19 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    The closer the trial date, the more fakes and the higher the activity of trolleys. Minuses from all kinds of "Estonian anti-propaganda centers" fly only on the road. The same novoregs manage to get two buckets of reciprocal minuses in one topic. Robots, save some excitement for your phishing email spam bots.
  • Vik ganz 19 February 2020 12: 31 New
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    I already wrote that we must begin with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands. The whole team is bribed. Including the Prime Minister. Therefore, their commissions are not needed not by Russian experts, not by Malaysian experts. And the Netherlands prosecutor naturally supports this camarilla. Shame on the Netherlands.
  • Vyacheslav34 19 February 2020 15: 38 New
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    Anasha, what ana, how good it is - the prosecutor’s bosses are pulling ...
  • iouris 19 February 2020 17: 29 New
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    Do not think that the Netherlands prosecutor’s office will back down: the provocation with MH-17 wasn’t for that. This is war. The only way out of the war is the recognition of one of the parties to the defeat and the payment of indemnities. 50 billion is just the beginning. You can, of course, offer an exchange. Nuclear strikes.