Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

The Dutch press published very interesting information. According to Dutch foreign intelligence, the Malaysian MH17, shot down in the sky over the Donbass, flew out of reach of the Buk air defense system. This was reported in the morning news story "VO".


According to a letter sent by the Netherlands Military Intelligence and Security Service to the Netherlands Prosecutor’s Office on September 21, 2016, Buk air defense systems installed in both Ukraine and Russia could not bring down the MH17 aircraft.

The Dutch intelligence document was at the disposal of Bonanza Media. Max van der Werff, co-founder of Bonanza Media, was the first to note that the Dutch side was silent about the inaccessibility of the aircraft for Buk air defense systems. The letter from the Dutch intelligence service indicated 11 locations of Buk air defense systems of Russian and Ukrainian armed forces in June and July 2014.

Eight locations are Buk air defense systems of the Armed Forces, three locations are the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. But all 11 complexes, both Russian and Ukrainian, were located at a distance of at least 66 km from the crash site, and all 3 of the Buk air defense systems identified by the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation. That is, Buk missile defense systems were not introduced in the Donbass and, accordingly, the DNR militia did not have them at the disposal. This is a blow to the allegations of the Dutch prosecutor and Ukrainian "prosecutors." It inflicts a blow according to the data from those "maps" that were originally published on the network with marks of the location of air defense systems.

At the same time, the journalist cites other interesting information from a letter from the Netherlands special services. So, from the point of view of technical characteristics, the S-17PS Volkhov M-300 air defense system, which are in the arsenal of the Ukrainian army, and the S-6PM300 Favorit air defense system, which were at the disposal of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, could shoot down the MN2 aircraft.

But since the maximum firing range of Volkhov-M300 S-6PS is 75 km, and all identified similar systems, which were in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, were seen at a distance of at least 250 km from the point of impact of the aircraft, Dutch experts concluded that it was impossible to use against MH17 data systems.


According to the Dutch intelligence agency, the only anti-aircraft missile system capable of hitting a target by its characteristics and location is the S-300PM2 Favorit systems of the Russian Armed Forces, which were at that time not far from the Russian border.

But van der Werff points out that the Dutch intelligence document contains information about the movements of Russian air defense systems, but does not at all note the movements of Ukrainian air defense systems. And it is also interesting. Indeed, by the time of the tragic events, the air defense forces of Ukraine had been put on high alert and could well transfer their Buk air defense systems to other points, including closer to the Donbass.

But what about the official results of the investigation, which say that the plane was hit by a Russian Buk missile? It turns out that the investigation was carried out very mediocre, but then can we talk about readiness for the trial in this case?

Interestingly, the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent. Only a few publications reacted, including the Turkish source Haber Sol, which also posted news a note on the “discovery” of Max van der Werff.


It is worth noting here that in the West Max van der Werff is considered a very tendentious author. Almost immediately after the crash, he did not believe in the official version and began his own, parallel investigation of the tragic event, casting doubt on the official version. Therefore, a rather ambiguous attitude was formed in the West. Perhaps this attitude to van der Werff and his investigation is related to the reluctance of most Western media to publish information about a Dutch intelligence document.

But much more actively in the West they are discussing the recent decision of the Ukrainian leadership - all the employees of the General Prosecutor's Office, who were investigating the crash of MH17, were recently dismissed from their posts. In Kiev, this is explained by the banal rotation of personnel, but such a personnel decision looks very suspicious, especially since there are three weeks left before the trial in the Netherlands. By the way, it was these prosecutors who announced that the air defense system, from which the airliner was allegedly shot down, belonged to the anti-aircraft missile brigade of the RF Armed Forces, stationed in Kursk.
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  1. figwam 18 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    How many rope do not curl, and the end will be.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 10: 34 New
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      Interestingly, the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent.
      Because there were already a lot of such "published documents", and nobody remembers them closely, including even opponents of the version Dutch investigation. Because it was always an obvious fake, which everyone was quick to forget (and officials chose not to mention at all), and now the situation is no different. For instance:

      "Documents on the transfer of beech": https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/125527-obnarodovany-dokumenty-dokazyvaiushchie-prichastnost-vsu-k-unichtozheniiu-boinga-v-donbasse
      "Documents on concealment of evidence": https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/unichtozhit-fakty-provedeniya-spetsialnoy-operatsii/
      "Video from Ukrainian Beech" https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/

      And also the documents of Joseph Resch, which were not published contrary to what was promised in his ultimatum, but everyone believes that they are.

      Today, the collection has replenished with another example, about which everyone will soon forget, with the exception of individual connoisseurs like me.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 11: 09 New
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        I remembered who this Max van der Werff was. Six months ago, he released a film together with former screenwriter and producer RT Yana Yerlashova entitled "MH17 - Call for Justice", and published it on the same Bananza Media. So where the ears stick out, even especially not hiding.
        1. Operator 18 February 2020 11: 11 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          where do the ears stick out

          Your stick out from Israel laughing
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 11: 51 New
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            Why not from Ukraine? Your colleagues with differently calibrated detectors stick to this particular version.
            1. Operator 18 February 2020 11: 55 New
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              So you are a natural Jewish Jew - I do not mind laughing
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                Something you change versions on the go, solidly. I just asked about the course of your thoughts.
                1. Tatyana 18 February 2020 13: 40 New
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                  all employees of the General Prosecutor’s Office, investigating the crash of the MH17 aircraft, were recently dismissed from their posts. In Kiev, this is explained by the banal rotation of personnel, but such a personnel decision looks very suspicious, especially since there are three weeks left before the trial in the Netherlands. By the way, it was these prosecutors who announced that the air defense system, from which the airliner was allegedly shot down, belonged to the anti-aircraft missile brigade of the RF Armed Forces, stationed in Kursk.

                  The main thing is that these Ukrainian prosecutors, who were investigating the crash of the MH17 plane, would not have disappeared from the face of the Earth, missing from the same Ukraine, in the same way as the Ukrainian flight dispatchers leading the Malaysian Boeing, to notice the true traces and causes of the disaster from Ukraine. in the sky over Ukraine on the day of its crash.
                  As they say, there are no executors-provocateurs - there are no traces of their provocation.
                  1. bayard 18 February 2020 16: 59 New
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                    The most interesting thing is that again the version with Ukrainian aviation surfaced ... But after all, it was the main one, with a lot of witnesses, the pilot’s confession that “the plane turned out to be wrong” ... and the Russian side showed all the radar wiring ... I was so surprised when the version went to Buk, but it looks like it was such a tactic ... A trap for an unscrupulous investigation.
                    And people have a memory like a fish, nobody remembers about the Su-25 from Dnepropetrovsk and the Su-27 from Kharkov smile , all about the "Buk" and about the "Buk" ... and this with so many witnesses ... repeat with so many materials ...
                    Okay, the authorities agreed, the agreement in difficult circumstances ... But THIS is with the authorities.
                    But the forum has enough professional military personnel, albeit retired ...
                    1. Octopus 18 February 2020 23: 55 New
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                      Quote: bayard
                      And people have a memory like a fish, no one remembers the Su-25 from Dnepropetrovsk and the Su-27 from Kharkov, everything about the Buk and the Buk ... and this with so many witnesses ... with so many materials ...

                      Well why. Remember. We write in a notebook.
                      https://tass.ru/boeing-presentation/kurs-rakety/
                      1. bayard 19 February 2020 02: 34 New
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                        That "Buk" in Snezhny my intelligence friend discovered. The day before the event.
                        He stood there (Beech).
                        Maybe he tried to shoot, but far away - at the Buka-M1, the front hemisphere had a range of no more than 22-24 km. , and even on purpose at that height.
                        But there were many witnesses of how APU aircraft shot him down (Su-27 at altitude) and finished off (Su-25 finished off, circling around him from an average height). I myself interviewed some of them.
                        And Almaz-Antey worked on command. Since the Dutch declared Buk as a means of destruction, who else should provide all the calculations, if not to the developer? We played up the Dutch heresy, gave the bird its claws to bog down ... And when it is already “triumphant” lol I decided to issue a verdict of Russia ... the entire evidence base + witnesses smile ... And amendments to the Constitution.
                        But after the amendments wink it is still unclear who will judge whom.
                        I'm serious .
                        Times change .
                        Already changed.
                        And those who still do not understand this may be very surprised. bully
  2. smaug78 18 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    And Russia says that there was a Buk air defense system, but it was Ukrainian and it shot down a civilian plane.
    1. ermak124.0 18 February 2020 13: 38 New
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      "And Russia says that there was a Buk air defense system, but Ukrainian and it shot down a civilian plane." ...

      Oh really? And I remember this, in fact, the investigation said, revealing to the public the number of the rocket. Russia only indicated where the rocket left the plant, tracking its entire logistics path. Is not it?
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 14: 22 New
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        Quote: ermak124.0
        Oh really?
        And remember, Putin said that Russia has its own version of the Boeing crash, and Russia introduced it?

        https://ria.ru/20190620/1555749804.html

        Which version did he mean?
  3. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 10: 35 New
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    It turns out that the investigation was carried out very mediocre, but then can we talk about readiness for a trial in this case?
    A new investigation will begin, which again will drag on for five years.
  4. New Year day 18 February 2020 10: 38 New
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    ... the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent.

    why crush water in a mortar? The time will come and begin to speak those who should speak. Leontyev also spoke here and even showed “space” photos. True, then Ernst said, a mistake came out
  5. rocket757 18 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

    It takes time to "digest" this news ... although there may be different options
    1. Octopus 19 February 2020 00: 03 New
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      It takes time to "digest" this news

      What's the news?
      moreover, all 3 identified Buk air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation. That is, in the Donbass air defense missile systems "Buk" were not introduced and, accordingly, the DNR militia did not have them at the disposal

      Actually, it says something else. SAM Buk, located in the Russian Federation, reported by the Russian sideBoeing is not shot down. About the SAM, about which the Russian side did not report anything, there was no conversation yet.
      1. rocket757 19 February 2020 05: 06 New
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        Ha. The devil is hiding in the details!
        Careful and careful not to jump for joy without reading to the end, without understanding.
        The trouble of our time, so many ... HURRY.
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    RMT 18 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    So Girkin and the rest of the suspects will be acquitted.
  7. knn54 18 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    Western media do not want to make themselves "incompetent."
  8. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 10: 48 New
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    Because soon the investigating authorities of the Russian Federation will interrogate Bandera ...
    LPR launched an offensive in the Donbass.
  9. Adam Khomich 18 February 2020 10: 56 New
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    No investigation was conducted to comply with elementary procedural rules! There was the appearance of an investigation with regular stuffing. Russia was convicted even before the fall of the MH17 wreckage. Nobody, except Russia, provided real radar images, and the United States, which threatened satellite images, became generally deaf and dumb. The dispatcher Petrenko is still on vacation, pilot Voloshin committed suicide with two shots. There is still a bunch of sudden deaths and disappearances of the persons involved. The West, led by the United States, needed a victim to accuse and impose sanctions against Russia, and they created it. The cynicism of Western politicians should not surprise anyone. The United States has not even apologized for the nuclear bombing of Japan, as well as for the downed Iranian plane. Ce la vie.
    1. New Year day 18 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: Adam Khomich
      No one except Russia provided real radar images

      What do you mean: at first they showed that there was nobody besides the Boeing, then they showed the Voloshin plane, then 2 “dryers” next to the Boeing, then again only one Boeing?
      1. Adam Khomich 18 February 2020 11: 57 New
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        Do you agree with everything else?
        1. New Year day 18 February 2020 13: 18 New
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          Quote: Adam Khomich
          With everything else

          With what?
  10. Doctor 18 February 2020 10: 59 New
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    and Ukrainian - were at a distance of at least 66 km from the crash site,

    This means that it was impossible to bring down a Boeing from the territory of the Armed Forces.
    moreover, all 3 identified Buk air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    This means that it was impossible to bring down a Boeing from the territory of the Russian Federation.

    One option remains.
  11. Lamata 18 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    So they’ll suck things up, how much time
  12. bars1 18 February 2020 11: 04 New
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    Russia has already been appointed to blame. And they don’t give a damn about the “inconvenient” facts. It’s to blame and that’s it
  13. Whalebone 18 February 2020 11: 11 New
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    How many satellites and means of objective control does the Dutch intelligence have this Banana Media do not have a decree by chance?
    And a remark for the author. When the trial date is set, it means that the investigation is already completed. The Voloshin Pilots and the Carlos Dispatchers are no longer relevant. Especially after the official statements of the investigation team and the confirmation of Almaz Antey about the Buk air defense missile. Intersound from fakes will not help and is unlikely to convince anyone (re).
    It is necessary to look at the results of the trial on only one aspect. He will pay the Russian Federation (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims - that means Putin agreed with the version of the error. If it doesn’t pay, it means the Russian Federation did not bring down. Everything else - performances, shows and sofa analytics. We were not there, we do not know. And we don’t have enough data. Therefore, breaking the spears of "who shot down" is an unpromising task. Evidence is on both sides. You need to look at the result.
    1. Adam Khomich 18 February 2020 11: 15 New
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      Present evidence or at least give a link to their location! Otherwise, you are a fake player.
      1. New Year day 18 February 2020 11: 26 New
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        Quote: Adam Khomich
        Present evidence

        There are so many of them that you involuntarily get confused in them and this is practically in all directions. Even on the remnants of a rocket!
        1. Adam Khomich 18 February 2020 11: 59 New
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          Give a link, I will unravel!
          1. New Year day 18 February 2020 14: 26 New
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            Quote: Adam Khomich
            Give a link, I will unravel!

            type in the search engine and the mustache!
      2. Leon68 18 February 2020 18: 25 New
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        He is not a fake player. He is a spreader.
    2. New Year day 18 February 2020 11: 24 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      Evidence is on both sides.

      The same opinion, we must wait
    3. Octopus 19 February 2020 00: 07 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      He will pay the Russian Federation (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims - that means Putin agreed with the version of the error. If it doesn’t pay, it means the Russian Federation didn’t bring down

      No, your logic is wrong.

      Pay - decided that it’s cheaper to pay off. Will not pay - decided that he can afford. P's behavior specifically in this episode does not mean anything.

      But his behavior then, in 2014, says a lot.
  14. Prisoner 18 February 2020 11: 26 New
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    And they will remain silent until instructions come from the center. And they dulled there to see. winked
  15. Photon 18 February 2020 11: 48 New
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    I am not a lawyer. Although at the institute, they talked a little about jurisprudence. I don’t understand how one can talk about a crime without naming the motive for the crime.
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    2. Octopus 19 February 2020 00: 15 New
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      I don’t understand how one can talk about a crime without naming the motive for the crime.

      Guilt in the form of indirect intent.
      The onset of this socially dangerous consequence is a kind of “side effect” of the actions of the perpetrator, the onset of which he is ready to admit to achieve his main goal. This main goal can also be criminal, in which case the guilty person is held accountable for two crimes: committed with direct intent and committed with indirect
      1. Photon 19 February 2020 01: 27 New
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        Wow! Wisely! That is, in this case, the Boeing was not the main goal, but a secondary one. What’s the main goal?
        Nevertheless, the motive for the crime must exist.
        1. Octopus 19 February 2020 06: 08 New
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          the main goal is what?

          Have you ever heard of Novorossiya and Russkiy Mir?
          1. Photon 19 February 2020 14: 01 New
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            Those. it must be proved that the existence of New Russia and the Russian world inevitably leads to the downing of a Malay Boeing belay
            1. Octopus 19 February 2020 14: 08 New
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              the existence of New Russia and the Russian world inevitably

              Without inevitability. Google the term.
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  16. Alsur 18 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    Quote: Whalebone
    How many satellites and means of objective control does the Dutch intelligence have this Banana Media do not have a decree by chance?
    And a remark for the author. When the trial date is set, it means that the investigation is already completed. The Voloshin Pilots and the Carlos Dispatchers are no longer relevant. Especially after the official statements of the investigation team and the confirmation of Almaz Antey about the Buk air defense missile. Intersound from fakes will not help and is unlikely to convince anyone (re).
    It is necessary to look at the results of the trial on only one aspect. He will pay the Russian Federation (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims - that means Putin agreed with the version of the error. If it doesn’t pay, it means the Russian Federation did not bring down. Everything else - performances, shows and sofa analytics. We were not there, we do not know. And we don’t have enough data. Therefore, breaking the spears of "who shot down" is an unpromising task. Evidence is on both sides. You need to look at the result.

    How can there be evidence for both sides if one knocked down?
  17. Alsur 18 February 2020 13: 32 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Adam Khomich
    No one except Russia provided real radar images

    What do you mean: at first they showed that there was nobody besides the Boeing, then they showed the Voloshin plane, then 2 “dryers” next to the Boeing, then again only one Boeing?

    Radar data really provided. A satellite image with an airplane has nothing to do with radar data. This report was issued by a television channel, and not by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, therefore, it is necessary to ask the television channel who gave them this material or where they found it. In other foreign media, the same was a lot of unconfirmed information.
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    1. Photon 19 February 2020 23: 11 New
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      This is called an accident, not a crime.
  20. Ivan Osipov_2 19 February 2020 16: 37 New
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    But what about the lame, deaf and chipped? Where to put them together with a rocket? Morons, damn it, who was entrusted with the investigation?
  21. Freedim 20 February 2020 17: 49 New
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    That is, "holes" from the damaging elements can no longer be taken into account? .. It seems that the manufacturer of the missiles gave an interview that the old and new BUKs have damaging elements of various shapes, and the geometry of the holes in the skin and frame of the Boeing coincides with old PE.