Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

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Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

The Dutch press published very interesting information. According to Dutch foreign intelligence, the Malaysian MH17, shot down in the sky over the Donbass, flew out of reach of the Buk air defense system. This was reported in the morning news story "VO".

According to a letter sent by the Netherlands Military Intelligence and Security Service to the Netherlands Prosecutor’s Office on September 21, 2016, Buk air defense systems installed in both Ukraine and Russia could not bring down the MH17 aircraft.



The Dutch intelligence document was at the disposal of Bonanza Media. Max van der Werff, co-founder of Bonanza Media, was the first to note that the Dutch side was silent about the inaccessibility of the aircraft for Buk air defense systems. The letter from the Dutch intelligence service indicated 11 locations of Buk air defense systems of Russian and Ukrainian armed forces in June and July 2014.

Eight locations are Buk air defense systems of the Armed Forces, three locations are the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. But all 11 complexes, both Russian and Ukrainian, were located at a distance of at least 66 km from the crash site, and all 3 of the Buk air defense systems identified by the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation. That is, Buk missile defense systems were not introduced in the Donbass and, accordingly, the DNR militia did not have them at the disposal. This is a blow to the allegations of the Dutch prosecutor and Ukrainian "prosecutors." It inflicts a blow according to the data from those "maps" that were originally published on the network with marks of the location of air defense systems.

At the same time, the journalist cites other interesting information from a letter from the Netherlands special services. So, from the point of view of technical characteristics, the S-17PS Volkhov M-300 air defense system, which are in the arsenal of the Ukrainian army, and the S-6PM300 Favorit air defense system, which were at the disposal of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, could shoot down the MN2 aircraft.

But since the maximum firing range of Volkhov-M300 S-6PS is 75 km, and all identified similar systems, which were in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, were seen at a distance of at least 250 km from the point of impact of the aircraft, Dutch experts concluded that it was impossible to use against MH17 data systems.


According to the Dutch intelligence agency, the only anti-aircraft missile system capable of hitting a target by its characteristics and location is the S-300PM2 Favorit systems of the Russian Armed Forces, which were at that time not far from the Russian border.

But van der Werff points out that the Dutch intelligence document contains information about the movements of Russian air defense systems, but does not at all note the movements of Ukrainian air defense systems. And it is also interesting. Indeed, by the time of the tragic events, the air defense forces of Ukraine had been put on high alert and could well transfer their Buk air defense systems to other points, including closer to the Donbass.

But what about the official results of the investigation, which say that the plane was hit by a Russian Buk missile? It turns out that the investigation was carried out very mediocre, but then can we talk about readiness for the trial in this case?

Interestingly, the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent. Only a few publications reacted, including the Turkish source Haber Sol, which also posted news a note on the “discovery” of Max van der Werff.


It is worth noting here that in the West Max van der Werff is considered a very tendentious author. Almost immediately after the crash, he did not believe in the official version and began his own, parallel investigation of the tragic event, casting doubt on the official version. Therefore, a rather ambiguous attitude was formed in the West. Perhaps this attitude to van der Werff and his investigation is related to the reluctance of most Western media to publish information about a Dutch intelligence document.

But much more actively in the West they are discussing the recent decision of the Ukrainian leadership - all the employees of the General Prosecutor's Office, who were investigating the crash of MH17, were recently dismissed from their posts. In Kiev, this is explained by the banal rotation of personnel, but such a personnel decision looks very suspicious, especially since there are three weeks left before the trial in the Netherlands. By the way, it was these prosecutors who announced that the air defense system, from which the airliner was allegedly shot down, belonged to the anti-aircraft missile brigade of the RF Armed Forces, stationed in Kursk.
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  1. +7
    18 February 2020 10: 27
    How many rope do not curl, and the end will be.
    1. -6
      18 February 2020 10: 34
      Interestingly, the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent.
      Because there were already a lot of such "published documents", and no one even closely remembers them, including even opponents of the version Dutch investigation. Because it was always an obvious fake, which everyone was quick to forget (and officials chose not to mention at all), and now the situation is no different. For instance:

      "Documents on the transfer of beeches": https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/125527-obnarodovany-dokumenty-dokazyvaiushchie-prichastnost-vsu-k-unichtozheniiu-boinga-v-donbasse
      "Evidence Concealment Papers": https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/unichtozhit-fakty-provedeniya-spetsialnoy-operatsii/
      "Video from Ukrainian Buk" https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/

      And also the documents of Joseph Resch, which were not published contrary to what was promised in his ultimatum, but everyone believes that they are.

      Today, the collection has replenished with another example, about which everyone will soon forget, with the exception of individual connoisseurs like me.
      1. -14
        18 February 2020 11: 09
        I remembered who this Max van der Werff was. Six months ago, he released a film together with the former screenwriter and producer of RT Yana Yerlashova called "MH17 - Call for Justice", and published on the same Bananza Media. So where the ears stick out from, they don't even hide themselves.
        1. +11
          18 February 2020 11: 11
          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          where do the ears stick out

          Your stick out from Israel laughing
          1. -12
            18 February 2020 11: 51
            Why not from Ukraine? Your colleagues with differently calibrated detectors stick to this particular version.
            1. +4
              18 February 2020 11: 55
              So you are a natural Jewish Jew - I do not mind laughing
              1. -4
                18 February 2020 12: 37
                Something you change versions on the go, solidly. I just asked about the course of your thoughts.
                1. +4
                  18 February 2020 13: 40
                  all employees of the General Prosecutor’s Office, investigating the crash of the MH17 aircraft, were recently dismissed from their posts. In Kiev, this is explained by the banal rotation of personnel, but such a personnel decision looks very suspicious, especially since there are three weeks left before the trial in the Netherlands. By the way, it was these prosecutors who announced that the air defense system, from which the airliner was allegedly shot down, belonged to the anti-aircraft missile brigade of the RF Armed Forces, stationed in Kursk.

                  The main thing is that these Ukrainian prosecutors, who were investigating the crash of the MH17 plane, would not have disappeared from the face of the Earth, missing from the same Ukraine, in the same way as the Ukrainian flight dispatchers leading the Malaysian Boeing, to notice the true traces and causes of the disaster from Ukraine. in the sky over Ukraine on the day of its crash.
                  As they say, there are no executors-provocateurs - there are no traces of their provocation.
                  1. +3
                    18 February 2020 16: 59
                    The most interesting thing is that again the version with the Ukrainian aviation surfaced ... But it was the main one from the beginning, with a mass of witnesses, the pilot's confessions that "the plane was not the right one" ... and the Russian side showed all the radar wiring ... I was so surprised , when the version moved to the Buk, but it looks like this was a tactic ... A trap for an unfair investigation.
                    And people have a memory like a fish, nobody remembers about the Su-25 from Dnepropetrovsk and the Su-27 from Kharkov smile , everything about "Buk" and about "Buk" ... and this with SO MANY witnesses ... feel with so many materials ...
                    Okay, the authorities agreed, the agreement in difficult circumstances ... But THIS is with the authorities.
                    But the forum has enough professional military personnel, albeit retired ...
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2020 23: 55
                      Quote: bayard
                      And people have a memory like a fish, no one remembers about the Su-25 from Dnepropetrovsk and the Su-27 from Kharkov, all about the Buk and the Buk ... and this is with SO many witnesses ... with so many materials ...

                      Well why. Remember. We write in a notebook.
                      https://tass.ru/boeing-presentation/kurs-rakety/
                      1. +2
                        19 February 2020 02: 34
                        That "Buk" in Snezhnoye was discovered by my friend in intelligence. The day before the event.
                        He stood there (Beech).
                        Maybe he tried to shoot, but too far away - the "Buk-M1" in the front hemisphere has a range of no more than 22 - 24 km. , and even on a target at such a height.
                        But there were many witnesses of how APU aircraft shot him down (Su-27 at altitude) and finished off (Su-25 finished off, circling around him from an average height). I myself interviewed some of them.
                        And "Almaz-Antey" worked on command. Since the Dutch declared the Beech as a means of destruction, who else should be provided with all the calculations, if not its developer? We played along with the Dutch heresy, let the bird get bogged down with its claws ... And when it was already "victorious" lol I decided to issue a verdict of Russia ... the entire evidence base + witnesses smile ... And amendments to the Constitution.
                        But after the amendments wink it is still unclear who will judge whom.
                        I'm serious .
                        Times change .
                        Already changed.
                        And those who still do not understand this may be very surprised. bully
  2. +4
    18 February 2020 10: 27
    And Russia says that there was a Buk air defense system, but it was Ukrainian and it shot down a civilian plane.
    1. +3
      18 February 2020 13: 38
      "And Russia says that there was a Buk air defense missile system, but Ukrainian and he shot down a civilian plane." ...

      Oh really? And I remember this, in fact, the investigation said, revealing to the public the number of the rocket. Russia only indicated where the rocket left the plant, tracking its entire logistics path. Is not it?
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 14: 22
        Quote: ermak124.0
        Oh really?
        And remember, Putin said that Russia has its own version of the Boeing crash, and Russia introduced it?

        https://ria.ru/20190620/1555749804.html

        Which version did he mean?
  3. +8
    18 February 2020 10: 35
    It turns out that the investigation was carried out very mediocre, but then can we talk about readiness for a trial in this case?
    A new investigation will begin, which again will drag on for five years.
  4. +4
    18 February 2020 10: 38
    ... the information that became known to Bonanza Media was immediately disseminated by almost all the leading Russian media. However, the majority of foreign media are still silent.

    Why pound water in a mortar? The time will come and those who should speak will begin to speak. Here Leontyev also spoke and even showed "space" photos. True, then Ernst said - the mistake came out
  5. +1
    18 February 2020 10: 39
    Western media remain silent about the new publication of data on the Buk and MH17 air defense systems

    It takes time to "digest" this news ... although, there may be different options
    1. +1
      19 February 2020 00: 03
      Quote: rocket757
      It takes time to "digest" this news

      What's the news?
      moreover, all 3 identified Buk air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation. That is, in the Donbass air defense missile systems "Buk" were not introduced and, accordingly, the DNR militia did not have them at the disposal

      Actually, it says something else. SAM Buk, located in the Russian Federation, reported by the Russian sideBoeing is not shot down. About the SAM, about which the Russian side did not report anything, there was no conversation yet.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 05: 06
        Ha. The devil is hiding in the details!
        Careful and careful not to jump for joy without reading to the end, without understanding.
        The trouble of our time, so many ... HURRY.
  6. RMT
    0
    18 February 2020 10: 39
    So Girkin and the rest of the suspects will be acquitted.
  7. -2
    18 February 2020 10: 39
    Western media do not want to portray themselves as "incompetent."
  8. 0
    18 February 2020 10: 48
    Because soon the investigating authorities of the Russian Federation will interrogate Bandera ...
    LPR launched an offensive in the Donbass.
  9. +7
    18 February 2020 10: 56
    No investigation was conducted to comply with elementary procedural rules! There was the appearance of an investigation with regular stuffing. Russia was convicted even before the fall of the MH17 wreckage. Nobody, except Russia, provided real radar images, and the United States, which threatened satellite images, became generally deaf and dumb. The dispatcher Petrenko is still on vacation, pilot Voloshin committed suicide with two shots. There is still a bunch of sudden deaths and disappearances of the persons involved. The West, led by the United States, needed a victim to accuse and impose sanctions against Russia, and they created it. The cynicism of Western politicians should not surprise anyone. The United States has not even apologized for the nuclear bombing of Japan, as well as for the downed Iranian plane. Ce la vie.
    1. -4
      18 February 2020 11: 19
      Quote: adam khomich
      No one except Russia provided real radar images

      What do you mean: at first they showed that there was no one besides Boeing, then they showed Voloshin's plane, then 2 "dryers" next to the Boeing, then again only one Boeing?
      1. +1
        18 February 2020 11: 57
        Do you agree with everything else?
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 13: 18
          Quote: adam khomich
          With everything else

          With what?
  10. -2
    18 February 2020 10: 59
    and Ukrainian - were at a distance of at least 66 km from the crash site,

    This means that it was impossible to bring down a Boeing from the territory of the Armed Forces.
    moreover, all 3 identified Buk air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces were located on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    This means that it was impossible to bring down a Boeing from the territory of the Russian Federation.

    One option remains.
  11. -2
    18 February 2020 11: 00
    So they’ll suck things up, how much time
  12. +1
    18 February 2020 11: 04
    Russia has already been named guilty. And they don't give a damn about the "inconvenient" facts.
  13. -2
    18 February 2020 11: 11
    How many satellites and means of objective control does the Dutch intelligence have this Banana Media do not have a decree by chance?
    And another remark for the author. When a court date is set, it means that the investigation has already been completed. "Voloshin's pilots" and "Carlos's dispatchers" are no longer relevant. Especially after the official statements of the investigation team and confirmation by Almaz Antey about the Buk air defense missile system. Intershum from fakes will not help and will hardly (re) convince anyone.
    It is necessary to look at the results of the trial only on one aspect. If the Russian Federation will pay (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims, it means that Putin agreed with the version of the error. If he doesn’t pay, it means that the Russian Federation did not knock it down. Everything else is performances, shows and couch analytics. We weren't there, we don't know. And we do not have sufficient data. Therefore, breaking spears "who knocked them down" is a futile occupation. There is evidence for both sides. You need to look at the result.
    1. +1
      18 February 2020 11: 15
      Present evidence or at least give a link to their location! Otherwise, you are a fake player.
      1. 0
        18 February 2020 11: 26
        Quote: adam khomich
        Present evidence

        There are so many of them that you involuntarily get confused in them and this is practically in all directions. Even on the remnants of a rocket!
        1. +1
          18 February 2020 11: 59
          Give a link, I will unravel!
          1. 0
            18 February 2020 14: 26
            Quote: adam khomich
            Give a link, I will unravel!

            type in the search engine and the mustache!
      2. +1
        18 February 2020 18: 25
        He is not a fake player. He is a spreader.
    2. -3
      18 February 2020 11: 24
      Quote: Whalebone
      Evidence is on both sides.

      The same opinion, we must wait
    3. +1
      19 February 2020 00: 07
      Quote: Whalebone
      He will pay the Russian Federation (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims - that means Putin agreed with the version of the error. If it doesn’t pay, it means the Russian Federation didn’t bring down

      No, your logic is wrong.

      Pay - decided that it’s cheaper to pay off. Will not pay - decided that he can afford. P's behavior specifically in this episode does not mean anything.

      But his behavior then, in 2014, says a lot.
  14. 0
    18 February 2020 11: 26
    And they will remain silent until instructions come from the center. And they dulled there to see. winked
  15. +7
    18 February 2020 11: 48
    I am not a lawyer. Although at the institute, they talked a little about jurisprudence. I don’t understand how one can talk about a crime without naming the motive for the crime.
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    2. +1
      19 February 2020 00: 15
      Quote: Photon
      I don’t understand how one can talk about a crime without naming the motive for the crime.

      Guilt in the form of indirect intent.
      The onset of this socially dangerous consequence is a kind of “side effect” of the actions of the perpetrator, the onset of which he is ready to admit to achieve his main goal. This main goal can also be criminal, in which case the guilty person is held accountable for two crimes: committed with direct intent and committed with indirect
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 01: 27
        Wow! Wisely! That is, in this case, the Boeing was not the main goal, but a secondary one. What’s the main goal?
        Nevertheless, the motive for the crime must exist.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 06: 08
          Quote: Photon
          the main goal is what?

          About "Novorossiya" and "Russian World" have you ever heard?
          1. 0
            19 February 2020 14: 01
            Those. it must be proved that the existence of New Russia and the Russian world inevitably leads to the downing of a Malay Boeing belay
            1. +1
              19 February 2020 14: 08
              Quote: Photon
              the existence of New Russia and the Russian world inevitably

              Without inevitability. Google the term.
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  16. +3
    18 February 2020 13: 28
    Quote: Whalebone
    How many satellites and means of objective control does the Dutch intelligence have this Banana Media do not have a decree by chance?
    And another remark for the author. When a court date is set, it means that the investigation has already been completed. "Voloshin's pilots" and "Carlos's dispatchers" are no longer relevant. Especially after the official statements of the investigation team and confirmation by Almaz Antey about the Buk air defense missile system. Intershum from fakes will not help and will hardly (re) convince anyone.
    It is necessary to look at the results of the trial only on one aspect. If the Russian Federation will pay (directly or through gaskets) to the relatives of the victims, it means that Putin agreed with the version of the error. If he doesn’t pay, it means that the Russian Federation did not knock it down. Everything else is performances, shows and couch analytics. We weren't there, we don't know. And we do not have sufficient data. Therefore, breaking spears "who knocked them down" is a futile occupation. There is evidence for both sides. You need to look at the result.

    How can there be evidence for both sides if one knocked down?
  17. +6
    18 February 2020 13: 32
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: adam khomich
    No one except Russia provided real radar images

    What do you mean: at first they showed that there was no one besides Boeing, then they showed Voloshin's plane, then 2 "dryers" next to the Boeing, then again only one Boeing?

    Radar data really provided. A satellite image with an airplane has nothing to do with radar data. This report was issued by a television channel, and not by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, therefore, it is necessary to ask the television channel who gave them this material or where they found it. In other foreign media, the same was a lot of unconfirmed information.
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    1. 0
      19 February 2020 23: 11
      This is called an accident, not a crime.
  20. 0
    19 February 2020 16: 37
    But what about the lame, deaf and chipped? Where to put them together with a rocket? Morons, damn it, who was entrusted with the investigation?
  21. 0
    20 February 2020 17: 49
    That is, the "holes" from the submunitions can no longer be taken into account? .. It seems that the missile manufacturer gave interviews that the old and new BUKs have differently shaped submunitions, and the geometry of the holes in the Boeing's skin and frame coincides with old PE.