The United States recognized the impossibility of replacing the Russian rocket engine RD-180

The United States recognized the impossibility of replacing the Russian rocket engine RD-180

The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers, reports RT.


According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.

Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030

- the report says.

Particularly in the report, it was emphasized that the search for an alternative to the Russian RD-180 in the United States was undertaken in 2015, immediately after the imposition of sanctions against Russia due to the situation in Ukraine and Moscow’s response, and so far have not been successful. According to American laws and adopted documents, the United States must abandon the use of Russian engines, but this will happen no earlier than 2024.

Meanwhile, it became known about the estimated launch date for the ISS American manned spacecraft with crew. According to RIA News citing a source in the Russian space and rocket industry, a tentative start is scheduled for May this year.

According to data received from the American side, the launch of the first Crew Dragon ship with crew is scheduled for May 20

- the agency leads the words of the source.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU 15 February 2020 07: 18 New
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    Hooked on the needle of the country "engine-speakers"?)) laughing
    1. Hunter 2 15 February 2020 07: 56 New
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      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Hooked on the needle of the country "engine-speakers"?)) laughing

      Welcome hi As they say - The best enemy of the good. It’s nice of course ... but, You definitely can’t stop! Moreover, the Chinese are stepping on their heels ...
      Something tells me - the battle for the Cosmos has not even begun.
      1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 08: 14 New
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        Let them pray that this engine does not fall into our retaliatory sanctions against the United States. hi
        1. Starover_Z 15 February 2020 10: 40 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Let them pray that this engine does not fall into our retaliatory sanctions against the United States. hi

          I think it won’t. Space proprietors there are advancing on the heels of state corporations with their own rockets, possibly with more ecological engines. And the Chinese will not sit on our engines for a long time. We need next-generation engines, economical and environmentally friendly.
          1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 11: 00 New
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            Well, we must try to get ahead in this. While there is time.
            1. Shurik70 15 February 2020 17: 12 New
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              I am in shock.
              RD-180 is based on RD-170 developed.
              Well, what geniuses worked in the USSR, that the United States and forty years later, with the furious development of technology, are not something that can be surpassed, but they cannot even be compared.
              belay
        2. Azazelo 15 February 2020 11: 21 New
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          no no ... a ban on delivery should appear at the right time to maximize the effect.
      2. maidan.izrailovich 15 February 2020 11: 35 New
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        Moreover, the Chinese are stepping on their heels ...

        The first three countries by the number of space launches in 2019.
        China - 34 (32 successful), Russia - 22 (22), USA - 21 (21).
        It’s nice to know that part of the American launches is thanks to Russian engines. yes
    2. Horde1 15 February 2020 17: 09 New
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      if so, raise the price.
  2. Thrifty 15 February 2020 07: 19 New
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    They simply were not on Topvar, and were not familiar with a group of members of the forum, praying for the United States! Otherwise, they would have known that our engine is a stone age, and the Yankees already have a dozen engines at least ten years ago to replace ours. And they buy RD180 out of a sense of pity for the “poor Russians”! crying lol
    1. Divizion 15 February 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      They simply were not on Topvar, and were not familiar with a group of members of the forum, praying for the United States! Otherwise, we would know that our engine is a stone age

      laughing good How you subtly pricked neoliberals ....
      So much for bastard Russia ..
      1. krot 15 February 2020 11: 02 New
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        They simply were not on Topvar, and were not familiar with a group of members of the forum, praying for the United States!

        I agree! laughing The liberals are minuscule ..))) Actually, they stall their country and slow down, distracting them with unnecessary actions, or even stealing the budget ... On the other hand, they do not let us relax. And that is a plus!
    2. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 08: 02 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      and the Yankees already have a dozen engines

      And launch into space everything, right down to cars
      Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night laughing
      1. Edik 15 February 2020 08: 48 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        And launch into space everything, right down to cars
        Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night

        Sergei, as everyone overlooks the "trampoline", and it wasn’t just said so! This is the only engine that you can trust in human life to deliver a person into space!
        After all, when it is necessary to deliver their astronauts to the ISS, they stand in line and pay!
        1. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 09: 12 New
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          Are you telling me this?
          Tell those who are minus me.
          Apologists mask
        2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 09: 22 New
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          Quote: Edik
          This is the only engine that can be trusted in human life.
          Which, RD-180? He had never launched manned missions.
          1. Observer2014 15 February 2020 10: 51 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Quote: Edik
            This is the only engine that can be trusted in human life.
            Which, RD-180? He had never launched manned missions.

            Tssssss! Don’t tell anyone about it. Let me get high. Read very smart and patriotic comments calmly wink lol Enjoy our. So to speak, or rather, even Soviet success.
      2. Grim Reaper 15 February 2020 10: 25 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Thrifty
        and the Yankees already have a dozen engines

        And launch into space everything, right down to cars
        Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night laughing

        judging by the number of minuses that you received, on the site the majority are no longer victims of the ege, but in general it is not clear who. Well, how can you not know that you need to fly in the sun at night? ;)
        ps In general, Ivan Ivanovich should know who Semyon Semenovich is. (WITH)
        laughing
        1. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 11: 01 New
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          Quote: Grim Reaper
          Well, how can you not know that you need to fly in the sun at night?

          It is possible in the fog, but it quickly resolves laughing
  3. Adam Khomich 15 February 2020 07: 26 New
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    But they still claim that they flew to the moon!
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 15 February 2020 15: 29 New
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      Once, Vietnam was bombed. And now they cannot bring a couple of aircraft carriers to working condition.
  4. rotmistr60 15 February 2020 07: 30 New
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    at the moment, the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine ... will be able to reproduce only much later 2030 year
    And what were the loud statements that in 2020 they will use their own and completely abandon the Russian ones. But the reality is much sadder than a dream that still needs to be realized.
  5. Lamata 15 February 2020 07: 31 New
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    Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.
    1. Hunter 2 15 February 2020 07: 37 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

      Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments belay Do you sleep at all? laughing multi-station however!
      1. Lamata 15 February 2020 08: 04 New
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        I’m sitting at home because of illness, and I’m sleeping and eating and doing business, so there’s no reason for alarm))))) laughing
      2. Lamata 15 February 2020 08: 04 New
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        On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))
        1. Hunter 2 15 February 2020 08: 17 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

          And I'm from 2013 ... laughing But ... such high-speed Scribes - Few met! bully
        2. Grim Reaper 15 February 2020 10: 32 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

          Giant Thoughts?
          1. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 33 New
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            And the father of Russian democracy !!!
            1. Krasnodar 15 February 2020 17: 54 New
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              Quote: Lamata
              And the father of Russian democracy !!!

              Mr. kitty? hi
        3. Observer2014 15 February 2020 10: 56 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

          And then whose dossier is this?
          visitor group
          Was online 15 February 2020 08:04
          Registered February 1, 2020 16:50
          News 0 [View all publications]
          Comments 955 [Last Comments]
          laughing This is sick wassat
          1. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 34 New
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            the first time zaregin in February 2015, and went to the Yu site probably from the beginning of 2014. And what is the problem, is the number of comments annoying?
      3. Divizion 15 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Quote: Lamata
        Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

        Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments belay Do you sleep at all? laughing multi-station however!

        Well, you, too, Alexey is not far behind him and everyone is trying to be on the first lines .. wink Can a marshal make you? bully
        1. Hunter 2 15 February 2020 09: 01 New
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          Quote: Divizion
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Quote: Lamata
          Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

          Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments belay Do you sleep at all? laughing multi-station however!

          Well, you, too, Alexey is not far behind him and everyone is trying to be on the first lines .. wink Can a marshal make you? bully

          Yeah .. 1700 comments in two years! wink Two weeks later - overtake ... The clerk! laughing laughing
          To Me My Rank is Major MP ... enough for the eyes!
          Also novoreg ??? Sufferer? Meehan - you?
          1. Lamata 15 February 2020 16: 44 New
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            No, do not confuse me with this chameleon)))) laughing
          2. Krasnodar 15 February 2020 17: 55 New
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            Meehan - Husit laughing
            Hi Aleksey! How's the village life?
        2. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 35 New
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          I’m here kada then rose to capra laughing
  6. Divizion 15 February 2020 07: 35 New
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    But what about the promoted Musk? The gut is thin ..
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 07: 50 New
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      Musk flies on its engines and is not eager to sell them to direct competitors from ULA. :)
      1. Divizion 15 February 2020 08: 44 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Musk flies on its engines and is not eager to sell them to direct competitors from ULA. :)

        Well, the American flag is in your hands .. And do not anger us with your mask, etc. And then on trampolines you will jump into space .. negative
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 09: 06 New
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          The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.
          1. Divizion 15 February 2020 09: 29 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.

            We will stock up on beer for this world event .. Astronauts probably already say goodbye to families and write wills .. wink
          2. Nyrobsky 15 February 2020 10: 16 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.

            That's when they "jump", then it will be possible to crack, and now it will be too early ... All you would have to jump laughing
      2. orionvitt 15 February 2020 09: 14 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Musk flies on his engines

        Where is he flying? It launches a variety of scrap metal, yes (like red roadsters), but its pains haven’t been flown so far. Let's see what happens on May 20. Something tells me screwed up again.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 09: 20 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          Where is he flying? Launches a variety of scrap
          Previously, the proton launched by Musk was launched by the Protons until Musk came and the entire market for launching commercial satellites crushed. And in May, he is just getting ready to bite off his next niche.
          1. orionvitt 15 February 2020 09: 27 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            getting ready to crush the next niche

            To prepare and implement, these are two different things. I advise you to think about how the flight of a person into space differs from launching, for example, a satellite. And in the case of a flight of astronauts, realize the depth of the problems to be solved. And then sing the praises of the "great genius."
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 10: 31 New
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              Already in the middle of the year, you will change the discourse to “well, what’s he done, think, grandfathers launched Gagarin back in the 60s”, verified. ;) The tradition of changing shoes on a jump and not remembering what was said yesterday.
              1. orionvitt 15 February 2020 10: 44 New
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Already in the middle of the year you will change the discourse
                This is not the first year I've heard this. If in the middle of the year it happens, well, I’ll be happy for the Americans, after all, the progress of mankind. In the meantime, what our fathers and grandfathers did in the early 60s, Americans have already forgotten how to do things for 9 years (nine Karl!). And this with all their "progress", as they say. And about the moon, vague doubts arise. Despite the fact that they did not have the collapse of the 90s, there were no wars and revolutions, on the contrary, they seemed to be developing dynamically. What happened to the US space industry?
                The tradition of changing shoes in the air and not remembering what was said yesterday
                Do not judge by yourself. Or does the training manual allow you?
                1. mikstepanenko 15 February 2020 20: 44 New
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                  And about the moon, vague doubts arise.

                  And here there is no doubt. They simply did not have the necessary technology, they did not even know then about their need. An example of docking, the Americans did it several times for each flight in the absence of docking nodes. Now it takes almost a day to “steer” the docking and you need several low-power adjustment engines. They took off from the moon and immediately perfectly docked. Without adjustment engines, they simply did not exist, as did docking units. Another example, spacesuits in which they famously pranced along the moon. A modern spacesuit for working in outer space looks more impressive and weighs many times more, but in fact it does not achieve such freedom of movement (as they demonstrate). Another example on the topic of the article. When the Apollo stood at the start, gases, oxygen and hydrogen were released, several tons per hour. But on Earth, the breeze blew away, but where did it go when hanging in orbit? That's right, accumulated near the ship, many tons .... strong explosives. And what will happen if you light a motor? That's right, a big boom. But to kindle it there was impossible. For oxygen and hydrogen in the tanks (they are cryogenic) had to gather in the center. And the fuel pumps sucked from the bottom of the tank. What? Emptiness, vacuum. And flying back is just a song of idiocy. A two-track scheme, a very very narrow corridor of entry into the atmosphere, ideally accurate speed (otherwise it will burn out or eject from the Earth forever). And the orientation system (in this case, you can compare with the sight) allows you to get at best into a target the size of a door with a couple of meters. As they said then about these systems (used to direct cameras) - a drunk monkey on a galloping mustang takes better aim. And it was necessary to get into a flying bullet from a distance of ten kilometers (I recall the lack of corrective engines). From one start of the main engine, perfectly orienting the ship and giving the engine a perfectly precisely calculated impulse. This is impossible even now, impossible in principle. You can continue sooo long.
                  1. region58 16 February 2020 21: 27 New
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                    Quote: mikstepanenko
                    For oxygen and hydrogen in the tanks (they are cryogenic) had to gather in the center. And the fuel pumps sucked from the bottom of the tank. What? Emptiness, vacuum.

                    Tell me, how did all the same start the engines in space? And the Americans and ours, and more than once? Maybe you still don’t know something?
                    I won’t talk about the rest - here even Ren-TV is not good for you ...
                    PS And judging by the fact that they put pluses to you - everything is much sadder than it seems. Unless of course you have several accounts.
                2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 16 February 2020 07: 11 New
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                  I judge by the ease with which the commercial loads that Proton used to carry, our pride, was quickly rewritten into scrap metal when they moved to Falcon.
                  1. orionvitt 16 February 2020 10: 35 New
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                    Are you an adequate person, or stupid obstinacy, your distinguishing feature? And what is the commercial load? The conversation is in progress about manned flights. ABOUT man's flight into space. Do you understand the difference?
      3. mark2 15 February 2020 09: 17 New
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        Does the mask fly? In ganjubas, if only. It does not fly, does not fly, and will not fly.
    2. Guards turn 15 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      In the United States, it was not possible to replace the Russian rocket engine RD-180 until 2030.
      Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.
      1. Divizion 15 February 2020 08: 53 New
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        Quote: Guards turn
        Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

        Hopes for Russia .. laughing
      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Guards turn
        Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.
        Musk just not only launches his rockets on his Merlin engines, but has already made the Raptor engine for his next rocket and successfully tested in flight - the first ever (!!!) rocket engine to take off from the ground in a circuit with complete gasification of components.

        All the fuss about the RD-180 - it’s not about the Mask, but about ULA and Orbital, its less efficient competitors.
        1. Vasyan1971 15 February 2020 09: 18 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          The Raptor is the first ever (!!!) rocket engine to take off from the ground in a circuit with complete gasification of components.

          I remember Howard Hughes, too, I remember, the Goose came off the ground (water) ...
        2. Guards turn 15 February 2020 09: 48 New
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          The head of SpaceX, a well-known entrepreneur and inventor, Ilon Musk, called the Russian RD-180 engine excellent in terms of design.

          “It's a shame that Lockheed Martin and Boeing are forced to use the Russian engine on Atlas. But his design is flawless, ”Musk wrote on his microblog on Twitter.

          The RD-180 liquid rocket engine is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash JSC. It is intended for use as part of the American Atlas launch vehicles.
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 10: 22 New
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            He told everyone that was known. It is not necessary to claim that the RD-180 is a good engine, through links to Twitter Mask. What kind of provincialism is this, "an American uncle praised our engine"?
            1. Guards turn 15 February 2020 10: 32 New
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              The launch of the Antares launch vehicle with Northrop Grumman’s Cygnus cargo ship was delayed again, NASA said.
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 16 February 2020 05: 35 New
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                Today successfully flew away. I hope that you had enough time yesterday to enjoy the triumph of weather transference. winked
            2. Alex_You 15 February 2020 10: 47 New
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              "American uncle praised our engine

              So on this and the whole article is built.
      3. Blackmokona 15 February 2020 12: 38 New
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        Generally SpaceX developed the following space rocket engines.
        Kestrel, Marilyn, Draco, SuperDraco, Raptor. All but the last have already flown into space. The latter has already been tested in the atmosphere.
    3. Blackmokona 15 February 2020 12: 37 New
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      Already launched three missiles on its engines this year, the number of missile launches on its engines Marilyn has already exceeded the number of missile launches on the RD-180.
  7. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 07: 40 New
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    RushTudey in his own style. The main headline is cheer-patriotic.

    If very short:
    RD-180 is the first stage engine of the Atlas-5 launch vehicle from ULA. This pH almost does not fly.
    In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)
    RD-180 is not a US problem, it is a ULA specific problem. Although this is not a problem.
    ULA to replace the Atlas-5 is made by the Volcano LV, the engine for which is made by BlueOrigin (Jeff Bezos, Amazon). The BE-4 engine is made methane.

    Of course, that such headlines here on RushTudey and then on VO are nothing more than a miserable magazine-mug stew for cheers who know nothing about the space industry at all, but they all know, this is just a mess from the headlines of the Republic of Tatarstan and other RIA .

    Funny straight)
    1. Andrey Mikhaylov 15 February 2020 08: 25 New
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      do not strain, do not set off, minus you.
      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 11: 42 New
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        I’ll survive your minuses somehow. They are even pleasant to me)

        For example, keep a fresh report on BE-4, this is a methane engine for Vulcan LV (ULA) and NewGlen launch vehicle (BlueOrigin),

        * Now there is a modernization of the bench, which was used to test the Saturn-5, for the BE-4 and BE-3 engines.
        * This year, the production of two serial samples of BE-4 is planned. They are intended for ULA.
        * Qualification fire tests will be carried out on two engines with switching on for full duration.
        * The engine is designed for 25 flight cycles without significant maintenance.
        1. Malyuta 15 February 2020 21: 23 New
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          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          I’ll survive your minuses somehow. They are even pleasant to me)

          Colleague, you really are unlikely to be able to prove something to the local stubborn idiots, although you write everything absolutely correctly and very informatively. Respect to you for the educational work in the dark masses of Uryaputriots. hi good drinks
        2. region58 16 February 2020 21: 40 New
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          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          I’ll survive your minuses somehow.

          Quote: Malyuta
          Respect to you for enlightening work in the dark

          Well. As soon as they defeated everyone and instructed the cons, and you told them about some kind of reality, about the fact that the RD-180 is used very, very limitedly ... laughing
          PS
          Quote: Malyuta
          uryaputriots
          Of course, it is fashionable to mention the head of state in business and, more often, not in business, but here, it seems to me, bust. yes
    2. Errr 15 February 2020 08: 44 New
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      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)
      9 launches of Atlas V are scheduled for the current year, 4 launches - on the 2021st and 3 - on the 2022nd, Karl! laughing And these Atlases will drag from the start exactly RD-180, and not BE-4.
      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 02 New
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        This year, the United States, in principle, will make a record number of launches. SpaceX alone will make 30-40 launches.
        And of course, ULA with its 9 launches, albeit a bit, will add to the big picture.
        1. Errr 15 February 2020 10: 22 New
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          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          This year, the United States, in principle, will make a record number of launches. SpaceX alone will make 30-40 launches.
          Far less. SpaceX is planning 20 launches of the Falcon 9 and 2 launches of the Falcon Heavy this year. In total, therefore, 22 launches.
          So ULA with its 9 starts - this is not so little. wink
          1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 33 New
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            20 - this is only to third-party customers who have long been in the plan.
            + 24 more launches with Starlink satellites, tomorrow is the third launch this year on Starlink. Every 2 weeks, 60 satellites are launched.
            Total, in terms of only 44 launches. But I think it will still be less, 35-40.
            1. Errr 15 February 2020 10: 47 New
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              Quote: Engineer Schukin
              + 24 more launches with Starlink satellites, tomorrow is the third launch this year on Starlink.
              A little slower, horses ... laughing
              Tomorrow, the third launch of the Falcon 9 with the 60th Starlink will really take places “on board”, but at the same time the penultimate one this year, as In total, 4 such launches are planned for 2020 and they are included in the same 20 launches of the 9th Falconsscheduled for this year.
              1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 54 New
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                Why do you invent your reality in every post?
                The 24 Starlink launches go in addition to the third-party launches already ordered.
                1. Errr 15 February 2020 10: 58 New
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                  I didn’t invent a single letter. Just read the addresses:
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Список_запусков
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_запусков_ракеты-носителя_Falcon_9#С_2020_года
                  1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 11: 12 New
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                    Do not read Wikipedia before eating and sleeping)

                    Read official SpaceX announcements if you're interested in SpaceX launch plans;)

                    Googling statements by Gwen Shotwell, or directly the Mask.
                    1. Errr 15 February 2020 11: 19 New
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                      Mercy. I will consider. I will read it. hi
                      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 11: 24 New
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                        SpaceX basically stated that they want to bring Starlink into a separate company and put it on an IPO (exchange).

                        Right now, a specific race for this future mega-market. Now in the race:
                        Space - there are already 240
                        OneWeb - 34 already
                        Amazon (Blue Origin) - it seems they are already sawing something, but there is almost no news
                        The Pentagon - while only thinking through the project.
              2. voyaka uh 15 February 2020 12: 41 New
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                "third launch of Falcon 9 with 60 StarLinks" ////
                ----
                This is the fourth pack. 180 have already been launched.
                They have the first stage: 1548 satellites in orbits 550 km from the Earth.
                In total - all stages - 12,000 satellites.
                1. Errr 15 February 2020 17: 58 New
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                  About 12 thousand are now out of the question. There will be a total of 1584 satellites (24 orbital planes over 66 satellites).
                  More: https://www.cableman.ru/article/nizkoorbitalnye-sputnikovye-gruppirovki-starlink
                  1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 22: 18 New
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                    In fact, we are talking about 30+ thousand satellites of the future grouping (network), in the 30s. If anything.
                    12 thousand satellites, this is the basic figure of the plan at the moment. This is what they plan to bring out by 2024.
                    1584 satellites, this is the first turn to cover the United States. They will reach this figure in a year and a half. This year, 24 launches are planned for Starlink, with 60 vehicles on board. While they are launching in two weeks. But I think the pace will slow down later. But by the end of the year, a thousand will be recruited. Despite the fact that they will have 300 pieces with today's launch.

                    No one has done this yet, no one has worked with such volumes and synchronization of information. They are now pioneers in the nascent megastore of the foreseeable future.
                    Now this market by the 30s is estimated at 100+ billion dollars. Where space plans to hold 40-50% of the market.
                    True, their actual competitor is now only OneWeb, which only launched the first experimental batch, in 34 devices.
                    But BlueOrigin (Amazon, Bezos), have an infinite flow of money, Bezos sells Amazon shares and pours $ 1 billion a year to invest in his own space company. And this year he has already sold 2 billion. And if the BOs now find a competent team, who can also adjust the serial production of satellites to the multi-thousandth level, like Space, then he will have enough money for everything else. Musk is also now in Tesla tens of billions plump, and also Starlink can afford to pay. But still he doesn’t sell his shares in Tesla, and Starlink plans to withdraw to IPO, in shares.

                    In general, the topic is very broad and deep. And this is a smooth revolution of global internet technology. In general, I recommend reading on the topic)
          2. Blackmokona 15 February 2020 12: 40 New
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            SpaceX some Starlinks plan to make 24 launches
    3. krops777 15 February 2020 09: 02 New
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      As you can see, GSO bottles do not fly, but only alases on RD-180
      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 14 New
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        But you are lying (possibly out of ignorance) and you are not blushing. And people believe ...
    4. Vasyan1971 15 February 2020 09: 20 New
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      Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)
      RD-180 is not a US problem, it is a ULA specific problem.

      Clear. Why then buy?
      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 09 New
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        Because initially, 20 years ago, the ULA held a tender, according to which Energomash was paid for the creation of this taxiway, with the relevant ULA rights to this engine.
        So ULA also buys these engines on its LV (Atlas-5), but at the same time makes a new LV Volcano, with a methane engine.

        The hysteria over RD-180 occurs only in the headlines of the Russian media. In reality, the USA has no problems with the RD-180 at all. And even for ULA there is no problem, they calmly buy their own paid product. And they are working with a new launch vehicle.
        And most importantly, ULA is no longer a player in the launch services market. Space took everything.

        It’s only here, in the Russian propogondonsky mass media hysteria rolls in headlines. Such as this one.
        And given that the people in general do not know about the space industry, everything is taken on faith. Therefore, then fools run around with this "ahahaha, you can't do anything without us, ahahah"

        A sad and shameful sight.
        1. Vasyan1971 15 February 2020 11: 15 New
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          Panyatna. Take-or-pay type?
          "I don’t need it, but since we agreed, then ...."
          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          they calmly buy their own paid product

          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          A sad and shameful sight.

          Extra money, why not ...
          1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 11: 17 New
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            In my opinion you are not very clear, judging by the comment)
            1. Vasyan1971 15 February 2020 11: 42 New
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              Tooting.
              In fact, one thing is clear: "if the stars are lit, then someone needs this."
              Quote: Engineer Schukin
              In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)

              Quote: Engineer Schukin
              they calmly buy the product they paid for.

              For what purpose? Where do they put bought and unused? Do not let under the press? Or "let it rot, but in my barn"?
              What is the problem? What are you unhappy with? Money is coming, the industry is working. Well, the fact that the adversaries do not put all their eggs in one basket indicates their common sense. Well, please ...
              1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 11: 53 New
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                What am I dissatisfied with? Ooh
                I am absolutely satisfied with everything, except for propaganda in the Russian media, which, taking advantage of the fact that the main reader is not at all interested in the space theme, and therefore cannot adequately understand such "news".

                In general, RD-180 and missions to the ISS are the last sources of foreign exchange earnings from Roskosmos. And when this faucet finally closes, it will further aggravate the already sad situation of Roscosmos.

                Rogozin himself admits that Roscosmos lives only due to NASA paid seats to the ISS. And without such income, only at the expense of the budget will have to shut up all budget deficits, including saving Khrunichevtsy who are de facto bankrupt.
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                  Quote: Engineer Schukin
                  I am completely satisfied with everything

                  Well, thank God!
                  Quote: Engineer Schukin
                  except propogandonia in the Russian media

                  Well, here already request And your struggle with this, especially here, is a waste of nerves and time. Is it worth it?
                  Quote: Engineer Schukin
                  when this faucet finally closes,

                  Rumors of this are greatly exaggerated.
                  Quote: Engineer Schukin
                  Rogozin himself admits

                  Judge for yourself: the passage about the trampoline is nonsense, and
                  Quote: Engineer Schukin
                  Roscosmos lives only at the expense of NASA paid seats to the ISS

                  true? Either that, or some way, or somewhere in between. Question about half empty or half full glass. Who, how do you like ... By the way, how do you like?
                  1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 13: 56 New
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                    With regard to Roscosmos and its position - absolutely do not like it.
                    If you are really interested in the space industry in the world and in Russia in particular, then there are no glasses at all. But there is a broken trough of Roskosmos, to which they have come over the past 10-20 years.

                    Moreover, the position of Roscosmos in the 90s was much better than now. This is true.
                    In the late 90s, at the beginning of the zero, Roscosmos could still build modules for the ISS, and most importantly still had leading positions in launches and production of spacecraft. The Soviet backlog was still relevant. And most importantly, in general, the world over the past 10 years has gone by leaps and bounds, and Roscosmos has not created anything new in 20 years.
                    Of the new, only the long-suffering Angara ...

                    And even Spectrum-RG is an international project where even in the Russian part (ART-XC) the most important element (mirrors) is made in the USA.

                    Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.
                    1. Vasyan1971 15 February 2020 14: 20 New
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                      Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.

                      So still empty ...
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                      But there is a broken trough of Roskosmos, to which they have come over the past 10-20 years.


                      Is that



                      maybe it?



                      ahhh, is it like that? lol





                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      Moreover, the position of Roscosmos in the 90s was much better than now. This is true.


                      Oops. with the letter w at the beginning. laughing

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      In the late 90s, at the beginning of the zero, Roscosmos could still build modules for the ISS,


                      And now builds, show? laughing



                      And the extreme Russian module was delivered to the ISS in 2010, have you forgotten? Since then, many Soyuz and Progress ships have been there and soon the next ones will fly.

                      On March 19, scheduled to send to Baikonur MLM-U "Science"

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      and most importantly, he still had a leading position in launches and production of spacecraft.


                      We now have more than fifty spacecraft of various classes in production

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      And most importantly, in general, the world over the past 10 years has gone by leaps and bounds, and Roscosmos has not created anything new in 20 years.


                      What are your "leaps and bounds"? Today’s unfavorable for Roscosmos rocket landing step to Earth? laughing

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      Of the new, only the long-suffering Angara ...


                      She is long-suffering only in your imagination. The rocket has not flown yet, the third launch only this year.

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      And even Spectrum-RG is an international project where even in the Russian part (ART-XC) the most important element (mirrors) is made in the USA.


                      Wow, we forgot about the successful seven-year operation of the Spectra-R, right? laughing By the way, exactly the same, in quality the "important element" is our Sarov production, is on the ground analogue.

                      Quote: Engineer Schukin
                      Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.


                      The Egyptian satellite, launched into space last year, was depressed.



                      In short, some on topvar like to stupidly lie with a smart look.
                      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 21: 19 New
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                        In the end, what about you, modules that from Peter the Great’s time cannot launch satellites (piece-wise, with failures, but real satellites!), But the truth is with a prohibitive level of imported equipment?
                        And the whole (whole!) Telescope in 30 years?
                        Yes, you still and everything with the Angara okay?))
                        Is that all the industry gives, with a budget of $ 4 billion and 200+ thousand employees?

                        You yourself are not funny?
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                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        In the end, what do you have, modules that since Peter’s times can’t run


                        Don’t worry, we’ll start soon laughing

                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        and satellites (piecewise, with failures, but real satellites!),


                        failures are at all, recall the fate of WorldView-4?

                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        but the truth is with a prohibitive level of import equipment?


                        The key word in your sketch is "beyond", well, I will please you with recent news. Have you heard about RKS? no? So, there a developed technology for the production of microwave cards for use in space was developed.

                        "The head of the design and technological department of the RKS Andrey ZhUKOV:" Our design and production technology allows us to produce high-quality boards that can work stably in space. The stability of the characteristics of the microwave signal is ensured by the use of heat treatment of an organic dielectric. The technology for heat treatment of the switching microwave board made it possible to achieve stability of its operation at temperatures from -196 ° C to 200 ° C, which is confirmed by experiments. "
                        http://russianspacesystems.ru/2020/01/31/v-rks-razrabotana-tekhnologiya-proizvo/

                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        And the whole (whole!) Telescope in 30 years?


                        There was no Coronas Photon yet.

                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        Yes, you still and everything with the Angara okay?))


                        Yes, they’re preparing to be sent to the spaceport, didn’t they know?



                        Quote: Engineer Schukin
                        You yourself are not funny?


                        It's funny how you sketch. lol
                    3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 16 February 2020 17: 50 New
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                      And the extreme Russian module was delivered to the ISS in 2010, have you forgotten?
                      Last in 2000 was launched. And launched in 2010 to the opposite side of the Russian segment is docked, closer to the center.
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                      Last in 2000 was launched. And launched in 2010 to the opposite side of the Russian segment is docked, closer to the center.


                      What was it? belay Extreme means the next, and not its location. laughing
    5. Antiliberast 15 February 2020 21: 48 New
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      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      It is only here in Russian propogondonskie media rolls hysteria in the headlines.

      hi I take off my hat to the SBU, they found one jumper who is able to put a couple of words in a heap and at least something to oppose them with the hated "cotton wool" ... lol
  • saturn.mmm 15 February 2020 10: 10 New
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    Quote: Engineer Schukin
    miserable journalism stew for cheers who know nothing about the space industry

    Tell us miserable about the great space achievements of the United States in 2019.
    1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 29 New
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      Yes, everything is as usual.
      60% of all manufactured spacecraft in the world.
      Space began to display its satellite constellation, already 240 satellites launched. The other day another 60 will fly
      New Horizons became close to Ultima Thule, the most distant object of the solar system
      InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
      Juno works with Jupiter
      Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
      OSIRIS-Rex works with asteroid Bennu

      And if you are not interested in space probes, then google what companies such as BlueOrigin, VirginGalaxy, SpaceX (Starship work), FireFly, etc. did in 2019.

      In general, judging by the question, you are really very far from the topic, which means that in one post I simply can not tell you about everything.

      I gave you the direction, go for it)
      1. Romka 15 February 2020 10: 44 New
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        Why are you spoiling this weekend with such information? angry
        1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 10: 45 New
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          So it’s checked, by tomorrow, the recipients completely erase the memory and they will start their mantras again)
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            Quote: Engineer Schukin
            So it’s checked, by tomorrow, the recipients completely erase the memory and they will start their mantras again)

            Are you talking about those who, since 2014, have been broadcasting with the air of experts, “here,” “soon” America will launch a man on his rocket on his spaceship?
            For 9 years, the trampoline has been working smoothly for astronauts.
        2. slipped 15 February 2020 20: 55 New
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          Quote: Romka
          Why are you spoiling this weekend with such information? angry


          and you don’t worry so much, NASA’s budget is 20 times larger than that of Roskosmos, and nothing has been done there, you can count it with your finger, but still they don’t have what we already have.

          Successfully fulfilled interferometer with a wide base of Radioastron (SPECTRUM-R) - they never had before laughing . Gigabytes of data are being raked from it and will be raked for several more years.



          The Spectrum RG Astrophysical Observatory is scanning the sky today with high resolution - they don’t have that now and will not have it soon.



          Of the nearest planned astrophysical observatories - the new world observatory "Spectrum-UV", which we are creating together with Spain:



          The new Millimetron project (Spektr-M spacecraft) with huge cryo-mirrors



          And over the course of five years - two landing and one orbital spacecraft to the moon, the planetary Martian platform, solar observatories, a new rocket, a new spaceship, new modules for the ISS ... laughing

          All will be well.
      2. saturn.mmm 15 February 2020 13: 08 New
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        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        60% of all manufactured spacecraft in the world.

        It is difficult to call a great achievement.
        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        Space began to display its satellite constellation, already 240 satellites launched. The other day another 60 will fly

        Nothing at all.
        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        New Horizons became close to Ultima Thule, the most distant object of the solar system
        InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
        Juno works with Jupiter
        Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
        OSIRIS-Rex works with asteroid Bennu

        I agree here, although partially related to 2019, except for the solar probe, all the rest were launched from the flightless Atlas-5
        Quote: Engineer Schukin
        And if you are not interested in space probes, then google what companies such as BlueOrigin, VirginGalaxy, SpaceX (Starship work), FireFly, etc. did in 2019.

        There are many plans, maybe 2020 will surprise us with something.
        The Japanese with their Hayabusa-2 deserve more attention, but we are not talking about them.
        1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 14: 07 New
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          How simple it is for you ...
          True, everything is known in comparison.

          The United States now in orbit more than half of all satellites in the world.
          About 25-30 orbital telescopes. (in Russia 1)
          About 10-15 operating planet rovers / probes (Russia has 0, moreover, for all 30 years 0)
          USA produces 60% of all spacecraft in the world (Russia ~ 4%)
          The United States participates in all projects of ground-based telescopes (Russia didn’t even find money to join ESO, and it has only the museum BTA 76go ..., where, moreover, the mirror could not be replaced ...)

          etc. etc.

          I don’t even want to tell you about dozens of new projects, which in demolitions, in hardware, because I will run into the classic "ahaha, they’ll start, then we’ll say"

          And now you tell us what great success Roskosmos has for 2019?
          1. Salty 15 February 2020 14: 20 New
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            And now you tell us what great success Roskosmos has for 2019?

            You will find some answers to your questions here from this comrade:

            https://topwar.ru/user/slipped/
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              Quote: SaltY
              You will find some answers to your questions here from this comrade:


              And he doesn’t need answers, he’s just an attacker.
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        InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
        Juno works with Jupiter
        Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
        OSIRIS-Rex works with the asteroid Bennu ... Everything is very far, but closer to the earth closer to the moon landing when they have another?
  • askort154 15 February 2020 07: 42 New
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    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine like the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030.

    RD-180 engines are installed on Atlases. The first contract was concluded for 101 engines, with a total price of 1,5 billion. dlr., repeated for 20 engines for a total amount of already 1,5 billion. dlr. Over the past 18 years, about 25% of all US launches,
    was carried out by the Atlas launch vehicle on Russian RD-180 engines.
    1. cloud catcher 15 February 2020 08: 38 New
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      Here you have the trump,
      those. trump card "were the Americans on the moon?" (i.e. manned flight). And about the details, and so it is known ... many who wrote about this, for example, Mukhin Yu.I.
  • Vyacheslav Viktorovich 15 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    Can the BE-4 be considered a replacement for the RD-180? It is impossible, but Energomash will not be easier if BE-4 are standing on Vulcan.
    1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 12: 12 New
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      Of course you can’t. BE-4 engine under methane. The same as the Raptor.
      Rogozin’s dreams look like this:
      Oxygen-kerosene engines, of course, should be replaced in the near future with new works that will be based on oxygen-hydrogen and oxygen-methane, that is, on liquefied natural gas. These are simpler solutions, cheaper, more reliable. If you make this Soyuz-5 rocket, you need to do it on a modern engine, and not on an engine that is 50 years old.


      True, Soyuz5 will still be doing it "on an engine that is 50 years old." Here is such a Rogozmos.
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        should be replaced in the near future with new work that will be based on oxygen-hydrogen

        Why then in the future? Slap on oxygen, the technology is worked out, "flew to the moon" without a single accident.
  • Vladimir61 15 February 2020 07: 56 New
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    Oh, I don’t believe it! The richest and most technologically advanced country in the world, has been buying this engine for a quarter of a century, has been looking for a replacement for five years, but still cannot realize its space ambitions without backward and crotched Russia.
  • Yves762 15 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    lol Well, yes, Russia will supply them. Don’t do anything with it. - proven. And if so, then do not bother figs; right up to the year 2030. And there, either Musk will finish the four-thread, or the gravitapps will appear, or not at all, because .. repeat .. this one.
  • And why do you need 15 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    It's like selling gas and electricity to China. If only the currency goes.
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 15 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    So here there is an engineer. Schukin in the comments, she is the daughter of a Russian officer, she is a native Crimean. Already with foam at her mouth, she screams that the mask is still the best, and your engines are just a laugh.
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    Recognized and okay ... it’s ridiculous to say that it’s still necessary how many years to develop !!!!
    And before what were you doing?
    I’m disappointed, all the same I assumed that when the Yankees put their foot on the “horn” they get what they need. Forgotten what?
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      I’m disappointed, all the same I assumed that when the Yankees put their foot on the “horn” they get what they need. Forgotten what?

      And there’s nobody to rest against. Typical staff of an American company are directors - Americans, engineers and technicians - China, Japan, Russia, workers - Americans. They have lost the engineering link, thanks to the "world's best" education system), which we are now carefully copying). They have already had several generations of mass illiterates, and in the literal sense, they don’t know how to write, they live on social benefits. View photo of Detroit - like Stalingrad after the war. And Detroit is the face of industrial America. And individual really good universities (Massachusetts technological, etc.) will not do the weather, as well as individual operating enterprises.
  • honest people 15 February 2020 08: 26 New
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    Hooked on the needle of the country "engine-speakers"?)) laughing

    The main thing to believe in it laughing
    The launch of the Starlink-4 mission is scheduled for February 16, 18:25 Moscow time (15:25 UTC / 10: 25 am EST)

    We are awaiting the launch of the next 60 Starlink satellites into low Earth orbit.
    Accelerator: Falcon 9 B1056.4 (4th flight). An attempt to record for the shortest time between using a specific accelerator is 61 days (now 71 days).
    The weather forecast gives 90% for the launch of the 16th.
    The first step is to board the OCISLY floating platform 1 km in the Atlantic Ocean.
    Ships Go Ms. Tree and Go Ms. Chief again will try to simultaneously catch two Falcon 9 cowl flaps in the net after they are separated from the 2nd stage (3rd attempt) - 691 km.
    This will be the 4th launch of this year for SpaceX (taking into account IFA), the 5th mass launch of Starlink satellites, the 50th launch of Falcon 9 from the SLC-40 platform and 89 company mission for all time
    1. 75 Sergey 15 February 2020 08: 42 New
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      Do you have anything to do in 404 countries?
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      For those who are especially literate (or for those who are especially dumb, decide for yourself), I advise you to think and finally understand for yourself, how flight differs from launch. When you understand basic things, then you will continue to pull your bagpipe, about "60 satellites at a time."
    3. saturn.mmm 15 February 2020 13: 28 New
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      Quote: honest people
      We are awaiting the launch of the next 60 Starlink satellites into low Earth orbit.

      This is not an achievement but clogged the near-Earth space. and it is still not clear whether it will be economically profitable compared to 5 G, Ilonushka can fly by.
  • 75 Sergey 15 February 2020 08: 41 New
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    They do not want to develop a new engine for the old rocket launcher.
    This is normal, especially since there is where to get it.
  • Ros 56 15 February 2020 08: 42 New
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    What are you, but what about the exclusivity of the striped? And this is with a torn economy, well, no way. This is a clear zrada, ay, little black one, where are you, Obama will turn yours into a swing. fellow request lol laughing
  • krops777 15 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    As you can see, GSO bottles do not fly, but only alases on RD-180
    1. donavi49 15 February 2020 11: 24 New
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      Well, in 2017, they probably didn’t output it. In 2019, 6,8 tons are output.

      December 17 2019
      Booster Falcon 9 successfully launched on geostationary orbit Japanese-Singaporean communications satellite - SpaceX

      US Falcon 9 booster rocket successfully launches Japanese-Singapore telecommunications satellite on geostationary orbit JCSat-18 / Kacific-1, designed to provide broadband Internet access services in the Asia-Pacific region, SpaceX rocket development company said.

      The launch was carried out at 03:10 from the 40th space launch complex at the air base at Cape Canaveral in Florida.

      Satellite weighing 6,8 tons, created by the American corporation Boeing, is owned by the Japanese company SKY Perfect JSAT Corp. and Singapore-based Kacific Broadband Satellites.

      And with the booster landing


      JCSat-18 / Kacific-1
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    2. Topgun 15 February 2020 11: 44 New
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      yes, but at the same time, the operators of the GSO satellites are for some reason in line for the Mask, because it has such a price that it is cheaper to sacrifice part of the life of satellites in orbit using their fuel for the flight from the GSO to the GPO than to use the services of competitors Mask - who delivers them to GPO
      and it’s cheaper, including because there is no upper stage (3rd stage) - a thing is not cheap
      By the way, on the Internet, the Proton project walked without a booster block to compete with Mask - but still decided to bury ...
  • honest people 15 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    Quote: Divizion
    Quote: Guards turn
    Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

    Hopes for Russia .. laughing

    Explore Musk materiel flies on Merlin

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    Distort ... you might think s are technologically backward ... Nuno ..
    There are engines, the question is price first of all, and reliability
  • honest people 15 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    For those who are especially literate (or for those who are especially dumb, decide for yourself), I advise you to think and finally understand for yourself, how flight differs from launch. When you understand basic things, then you will continue to pull your bagpipe, about "60 satellites at a time."

    For the most dumb ones, what did you want to say that Space X will not display 60 satellites at a time tongue
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    Do you have anything to do in 404 countries?

    Do you think Russia is a country of 404? fool
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    ,, The USA certified Russian RD-180 rocket engines for flights of American astronauts into space, said Igor Arbuzov, director general of Energomash NPO, in an interview with RIA Novosti. ,,

    https://ria.ru/20180731/1525642208.html

    ,, "Among the rocket engines laid out on the floor of the huge Lockheed Martin assembly shop in Utherton Canyon, it’s easy to distinguish those made in the USA and those in Russia. American models are shining, streamlined, stuffed with unusual details and wriggling pipes. Not a single one a noticeable weld, not a single rivet missed. Russian engines inspire less confidence. Mounting foam hangs from the knots, like whipped cream, rust coated pipes are covered with welding scars, some details seem to be connected by wire "- t In the beginning of 2001, Wired magazine described the RD-180 engines built by NPO Energomash. ,, laughing

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.svoboda.org/amp/30278401.html
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      as Wired magazine described in early 2001 ...


      so they then dabbled in such



      In general, do not touch our Lev Andropov! He is our fso! lol

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        Cover translation:

        ,, RUSSIA - THE END. UNSTOPPABLE FALL TO SOCIAL DISASTER AND TOTAL NON-ISHEAT IN STRATEGIC RELATION ,, smile
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          Cover translation:


          Well Duc, the date is exactly the same laughing
  • Andrey Gurenkov 15 February 2020 10: 17 New
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    And where is elon mask
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      Elon Musk holds his fists so that Atlas will bomb colorful. These are its main competitors. Which furnish on the most delicious government orders. Where Musk withdraws for 60-80 million pulling out orders on the market at the commerce, there Yula withdraws a government order for 200-500 million (withdrawing contract, excluding the price of the load).
  • donavi49 15 February 2020 11: 37 New
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    Well, so far they are selling, why not buy. Cheap and reliable.

    Atlas hangs on these engines. It has certification for government orders (the most delicious) and manned launches. Change engine = make new certification for an already old and non-marketable rocket (% of Atlas’s commercial launches go to 0 or the government, or NASA, or scientific, like the solar orbiter, a joint project with ESA).


    Actually the current published ULA strategy:
    operation until the 30s of the Atlas.
    commissioning of methane Vulcan, its certification and its replacement of the entire Delta family.
    then the Atlas will be used as a minibus on the ISS, or will be removed.

    Other Russian engines uses Antares. With him, everything is bad. The only RN customer is NASA, in the ISS commercial supply mission. Now 13 Swan cannot fly away. NASA has paid for the construction of 15 Swans at the moment. Will it be 16? It’s still in doubt. If Swan is everything, then Antares is everything. The developer company has already died and become a department of Northrop.



    If Putin slams his fist on the table, Rogozin will obey, and the engines will become sanctions, will the US die? No. They will have to redistribute the purchased engines on priority missions:
    - Starliner, because this is the only missile (except Falcon) - certified for manned flights. In theory, you can use Delta. But there will have to be finalized, and this time is money for a dead rocket (again, the Volcano is coming soon).

    - Almost all missions to remove the load can be thrown on the Delta. They are sold by the same ULA. Yes, some subcontractors will fly by. Yes, the native budget will pay extra 50-70 million for the launch on the easy Delta. But it is solvable.
  • Mentat 15 February 2020 13: 57 New
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    Well, where are the note-takers of the technological greatness of the United States, where is BlackMacona, who constantly broadcast here that the United States buys engines from us simply because it is economically profitable, and not because they themselves are not able to construct such an engine?

    Silence of the Lambs? :)
  • Grigory_45 15 February 2020 14: 02 New
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    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine like the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030.
    in 2030, the license ends, under which the Americans had the right to issue the RD-180

    Pratt & Whitney paid for the work, all patents for newly created engine components and parts (RD-180 is half of RD-170 with some original components and new automation and software) belong to it, although the development was carried out by NPO Energomash. Also, the United States received the right to manufacture the RD-180 in its States. But they were not able to implement this project, although they really wanted to. They tried, but they didn’t.
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      Pratt & Whitney paid for the work, all patents for the newly created engine components and parts (RD-180 is half of RD-170 with some original components and new automation and software) belong to it, although the development was carried out by NPO Energomash

      Have you ever seen these patents? If you really care about their search on the website of the American Patent Office, you will be surprised to find that in patents in black and white the only copyright holder is NPO Energomash
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        the sole copyright holder is NPO Energomash

        I admit, here is my mistake
  • U-58 15 February 2020 18: 55 New
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    There are show-offs and there are technical realities.
    American politicians were the first to take it, although it was clear to any NASA engineer, Boeing, Blue Origin, that they could not create their own motor in 5 years. Even with a set of technological documentation for the RD-180/181 and NK-33 / NJ-26.
    For 7 years it is possible to create a fully working prototype with the achievement of the specified characteristics, but without reliability statistics.
    Therefore, the experts who prepared this report quite soberly assessed the state of affairs.
  • mikstepanenko 15 February 2020 19: 45 New
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    So what is the question then? The RD180 has a thrust of 400 tons for two combustion chambers. The Americans flew to the moon on engines with a thrust of 690 tons per chamber, why not repeat this feat. There is only one small problem, sopromat. There are no materials that can withstand the load, allowing to give such traction. And all the technical documentation is naturally "lost." Like all the "lunar soil" "lost" in warehouses, and they can not find it.
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      There is only one small problem, sopromat. There are no materials that can withstand the load, allowing to give such traction.
      It is common practice to scare Internet users like an unknown bloody magic of the ancients, and I studied it. All strength formulas were given there on the cross-sectional area. Accordingly, under any load, there is a sufficiently large cross-sectional area that can withstand it. Specific limitations are not specifically imposed by sopromat.

      And in RD-170 and its derivatives, the multi-chamber circuit was used not because fundamentally unstable loads, but because it was not possible to ensure the stability of combustion in a single-chamber circuit.
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        It is common practice to scare Internet users like an unknown bloody magic of the ancients, and I studied it.

        Based on such an incredible squandering of NASA, which buried a unique rocket and no less unique engine, researchers have always been very keenly interested in the technical characteristics of both. It turned out a lot of interesting things ... Among other things, for example, the fact that the material of the nozzles of the F-1 engines cannot withstand the declared pressure and temperature loads arising in the operating mode of its use. This material would simply shatter to pieces under similar loads. In the late 60s, on this occasion, it was possible to hang pasta on the ears of the whole world, but over the past 40 years, material science has reached such a level that the above information can be easily and easily verified using specialized directories and programs
        https://otstoja.net/st2/#more-390
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          (...) The most powerful space rocket engine today is the RD-180, with a thrust of 180 tons. But at the same time he has four combustion chambers

          At this point I stopped reading. Immediately counted 3 errors: thrust RD-180 - 390tf. Cameras in his two. The most powerful space rocket engine is RD-170. A person who treats facts so badly can only impress an audience with a double-digit IQ.
    2. region58 16 February 2020 22: 31 New
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      cannot find him in any way.

      Take a trip already: https://kak-eto-sdelano.ru/kak-i-gde-hranitsya-lunnyj-grunt-v-amerike/
  • Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 21: 13 New
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    and you don’t worry so much, NASA’s budget is 20 times larger than that of Roskosmos, and nothing has been done there, you can count it with your finger, but still they don’t have what we already have.

    You just do not lie too much.
    The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 260 billion rubles, which is at a nominal rate of 4 billion dollars. NASA's 2019 budget of $ 21 billion. Total, the nominal difference is 5 times.

    And if you take into account how it is customary to consider the ruble at PPP, then the difference will be only 2-3 times.

    And now compare how many active missions NASA has, and how many Roskosmos, which for 30 years has failed in one mission outside of Earth’s orbit. We tried with Phobos-soil, but the result is known.
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      You just do not lie too much.
      The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 260 billion rubles, which is at a nominal rate of 4 billion dollars. NASA's 2019 budget of $ 21 billion. Total, the nominal difference is 5 times.


      Oops. The nominal difference is calculated on his knee. And Nitsche, that this military budget is also included in our budget? and?

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      And now compare how many active missions NASA has, and how many Roskosmos, which for 30 years has failed in one mission outside of Earth’s orbit. We tried with Phobos-soil, but the result is known.


      By training manual spar? We just did not reach out. There were too many orbital projects. And today they reached out - "Spectrum-RG" works Beyond the limits of the Earth's orbit - in deep space, okay?
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      And now compare

      But the managers of Roscosmos have a bigger salary ... wassat
  • Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 21: 33 New
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    Oops. The nominal difference is calculated on his knee. And Nitsche, that this military budget is also included in our budget? and?

    That is, you no longer deny that you lied about 1 billion of the budget at Roscosmos? Do it right.
    Quote: slipped
    By training manual spar? We just did not reach out. There were too many orbital projects. And today they reached out - "Spectrum-RG" works Beyond the limits of the Earth's orbit - in deep space, okay?

    For starters, who do you have? Do you represent Roskosmos here?

    And tell me, what kind of "orbital projects" have you been so diligently implementing for 30 years that it prevented you from launching even one probe or planet rover?

    Over the past 30 years, dozens (tens!) Of telescopes, probes, and planet rovers have been launched in the world. What was stopping you?
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      That is, you no longer deny that you lied about 1 billion of the budget at Roscosmos? Do it right.


      Shashechki you or go? laughing I’m not a chamber of weights, and NASA’s budget is much larger than ours. Twenty times, and these are not my words, but the one who knows for sure.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      And tell us what kind of "orbital projects" you have been working so hard for 30 years,


      Raise your head, you will see the ISS with the Russian segment on it, on which the Russian crew is constantly present. The station actually appeared thanks to us. There would be no our technologies at first, there was no station. Generally. Clear?

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      what prevented you from launching even one probe or planet rover?


      Budget. For what they raised money, it flew. And will fly in the near future. There is technology. I have provided the lists above.
      1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 22: 36 New
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        Do you need checkers or go? laughing I'm not a chamber of weights and measures, and NASA's budget is much larger than ours. Twenty times, and these are not my words, but the one who knows for sure.

        In fact, everyone knows for sure, comrade
        In our century, this is all public information. Access to which even you have. You try)
        I have already voiced the numbers. Moreover, you should understand that the NASA budget also includes funding for the scientific part of the missions, in general, they also pay astronomers, of whom there is a large and highly paid industry. But Roscosmos is only responsible for the launches, and they do not finance the scientific program.

        And Russian astronomy has rarely seen crumbs from the budget. And there is a good interview with an astronomer who explains what happened to the only Spectrum-RG currently available, with which the only witnesses are "time ahead")





        I let it go - I forgot: what Rogozin is proud of
        https://news.rambler.ru/tech/43607510-pustil-zabyl-chem-gorditsya-rogozin/
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          But Roscosmos is only responsible for the launches, and they do not finance the scientific program.


          Roscosmos conducts technological (read scientific) experiments on the ISS, technological experiments on satellites and on Earth, conducts scientific support for military space. Roscosmos is not responsible for basic space research in terms of their development and processing of the received information - for this there are other organizations IKI, FPI or IMBP - they have their own budgets. The business of Roscosmos is to deliver the ordered scientific information to consumers, which it successfully does.

          Quote: Engineer Schukin
          https://news.rambler.ru/tech/43607510-pustil-zabyl-chem-gorditsya-rogozin/


          Illiterate yellow press article as an argument? lol
  • Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 22: 46 New
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    Raise your head, you will see the ISS with the Russian segment on it, on which the Russian crew is constantly present. The station actually appeared thanks to us. There would be no our technologies at first, there was no station. Generally. Clear?

    For example, it’s not yet clear to me how adequately you evaluate reality and facts)
    All that Roscosmos could give, he gave at the very beginning of the project, 98-02. Their basic modules from the freshest and most valuable Soviet reserve. But in general, the ISS was subsequently built (built up) already by NASA, the Japanese, Europeans and Canadians, with their epic manipulators. You read how much and what equipment was delivered to the ISS since 2005, according to years, missions and descriptions. Help you with a link?)
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      For example, it’s not yet clear to me how adequately you evaluate reality and facts)


      I see it with my own eyes. laughing

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      All that Roscosmos could give, he gave at the very beginning of the project, 98-02.


      About the program "MIR-Shuttle" we do not remember? lol About the purchase of our space technology by the Americans, too? About the fact that in the early 90s it was the decisions of the Gore-Chernomyrdin commission that saved the shuttles from the cessation of flights and, in general, the entire American manned program at that time? Ale, garage - the ISS’s orbit is still being lifted only from the Russian segment, and the Soyuz MS ship is the station’s official rescue ship. It was the decision to increase the number of TGCs and TPKs produced to service the station and deliver astronauts and astronauts after the death of Colombia that led to delays in the construction of the ISS RS under the meager budget for the program, and the money for the flight of tourists and astronauts did not solve anything in this direction.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Their basic modules from the freshest and most valuable Soviet reserve.


      From the “Soviet” one, it touched the empty Zvezda building and the empty Dawn building. FGB-1 and FGB-2 cases were made in the mid-90s. Like the buildings of the "Search" and "Pier."

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      But in general, the ISS was subsequently built (built up) already by NASA, the Japanese, Europeans and Canadians, with their epic manipulators.


      Yes, they built their ISS AS. DUMS, similar to the Canadian one, was developed for Buran. It was not needed for the ISS, since our ships are docked, not docked. On the MLM-U Nauka case, a European ERA manipulator will be installed to work with the Russian airlock (delivered to the ISS) and a scientific platform.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      You read how much and what equipment was delivered to the ISS since 2005, according to years, missions and descriptions. Help you with a link?)


      Come on, and I will compare with my data. For example, in the current expedition we have 54 space experiments on various topics underway.
  • Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 23: 10 New
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    Budget. For what they raised money, it flew. And will fly in the near future. There is technology. I have provided the lists above.

    Here is such a clean, but blind optimism I can accept from you. The choice of faith, after all))

    But would you not want to explain where exactly in Roscosmos in 2020 there are technologies?
    Technology comes from experience.
    For example, NASA has been continuously using rovers on Mars for 15 years (these are 5 devices), they have enormous practical experience in creating the device itself and its operation on another planet in long-term missions. They have the latest actual technologies in this direction.

    And what kind of technology can Roskosmos have if it has been able to launch only 30 telescopes in 2 years, and in Spectrum-RG it is very much share in the scientific equipment of the observatory. And do not forget that this is an international project where Germany has a main telescope (EROSITA), and for example the Russian side, has the right to only 50% of the data that the German telescope collects. Here is such a "Russian telescope"
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      Here is such a clean, but blind optimism I can accept from you. The choice of faith, after all))


      Have you seen the list? follow it and dress it up. lol

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      But would you not want to explain where exactly in Roscosmos in 2020 there are technologies? Technology comes from experience.


      What bothers you? Roskosmos includes a large number of enterprises. Give lists or find yourself? And experience ... he is the son of difficult mistakes. Errors once committed, we try to avoid in the future. As for technology - well, for example, how many USSR did you have devices in L2? But we already have it and it works perfectly. Were there satellites in the USSR with a 15-year active life? except for the WORLD, which was constantly repaired no, but Russia has such satellites - the same CESAT worked for 17 years. Etc. etc.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      For example, NASA has been continuously using rovers on Mars for 15 years (these are 5 devices)


      Frozen Americans. On Lubojstvo is our DAN neutron detector. To remind about the trials of the Soviet Mars rover in the American desert, when the JPL employees followed him and recorded everything? laughing



      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      they have tremendous practical experience in creating the apparatus itself and its operation on another planet in long-term missions. They have the latest actual technologies in this direction.


      And in our country only the Soviet Lunokhod-1 drove 4 meters on the Moon in 36 months. And we do not live in a spherical vacuum all these technologies are.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      And what kind of technology can Roskosmos have if it has been able to launch only 30 telescopes in 2 years, and in Spectrum-RG it is very much share in the scientific equipment of the observatory.


      I'm skating lol ..... "shared participation", well ... well, this is a joint project, like the same BepiColombo or many other missions from other countries. By the way, in flight to Mercury, our instruments are also.

      “Only two telescopes” - wrong, there was the Coronas-Photon solar telescope:





      it was 25% of the time on the Integral joint telescope, which we launched:



      This is up to Spectrum-R.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      And do not forget that this is an international project where Germany has a main telescope (EROSITA), and for example the Russian side, has the right to only 50% of the data that the German telescope collects. Here is such a "Russian telescope"


      But this is a lie, about the "main" telescope - there are TWO main devices. Russian and German. And they complement each other, as they work in different energy ranges. And the resulting maps will be used in space navigation. When flying in deep space.
  • Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 23: 29 New
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    Illiterate yellow press article as an argument?

    The article consists of statements by persons who are directly related to the Spectrum-RG and astronomy in general. For me, these statements have more weight than the user Slipped, you will forgive.

    And most importantly, why is the article illiterate if you yourself admit that Roscosmos should not help astronomers conduct the scientific mission of the telescope. And the claim to Roscosmos there is only indirect, on the example of how domestic astronomy is mendicant, and where Roscosmos is eating like this:
    The construction of one multi-object spectrometer for the BTA telescope, which is necessary for working under the AWG program, will cost 10 million rubles. Roscosmos usually spends about this amount on Dmitry Rogozin’s flight to Vostochny Cosmodrome, renting his own departmental aircraft for him.
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      The article consists of statements by persons who are directly related to the Spectrum-RG and astronomy in general. For me, these statements have more weight than the user Slipped, you will forgive.


      Forgive me, you are another dunno. laughing

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      And most importantly, why is the article illiterate if you yourself admit that Roscosmos should not help astronomers conduct the scientific mission of the telescope.


      Roscosmos launched, brought to a point and controls the telescope using its ground-based systems, spending ORKK funds on this. IKI RAS is responsible for science on a telescope. Is it clear to you?

      Roskosmos has many of its programs for the production of rocket and space technology, including the military. Are you aware that the enterprises included in Roskosmos are making Yars and testing Sarmat?
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    Come on, and I will compare with my data. For example, in the current expedition we have 54 space experiments on various topics underway.

    Some strange conversation we have comes out.
    I’m telling you about by whom and from what equipment the ISS was built, and you tell me about scientific experiments conducted in missions. Moreover, where the scientists on the ISS are just foreigners, and from us mostly only technical specialists, flight engineers ...

    So how do you still wonder who and what the ISS is built from?))
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      Some strange conversation we have comes out.
      I’m telling you about by whom and from what equipment the ISS was built, and you tell me about scientific experiments conducted in missions.


      So the ISS does not exist by itself in order to be. This is an international scientific instrument. Accordingly, it conducts scientific experiments. Moreover, our experiments intersect with the US and vice versa, and all this is clearly distributed.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Moreover, where the scientists on the ISS are just foreigners, and from us mostly only technical specialists, flight engineers ...


      Again this is a funny song. laughing Let’s take the IKARUS space experiment - Investigation of the migration of animals and birds on planet Earth, recently our astronauts installed antennas on the outer surface of the station. It is these, as you say, "flight engineers" that are the operators of this experiment.



      https://www.vesvks.ru/public/wysiwyg/files/BKC-3(96)2018-for-WEB-94-99.pdf

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      So how do you still wonder who and what the ISS is built from?))


      Do you need specific plants to name and brand of aluminum alloy? laughing
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    "Coronas-Photon"

    Yes, I forgot it. Which by the way is not difficult, given its fiasco.
    Quote: slipped
    it was 25% of the time on the Integral joint telescope, which we launched:

    25% of the time is not accidentally paying for the telescope launch
    Specify what Roscosmos did there.

    In total, for 30 years, Roscosmos was able from scientific missions:
    Spektr-RG - with Germany and the USA
    Radistron - I do not remember the nuances
    Coronas-Photon - who had not worked for a year, broke down.
    Integral - an international project where manufacturers are Italians and the incomprehensible role of Roscosmos

    What else?
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      Specify what Roscosmos did there.


      Вот почитайте - http://www.ras.ru/news/shownews.aspx?id=f2f43a79-7d72-4eb7-a456-52c4d2a34f1d

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      In total, for 30 years, Roscosmos was able from scientific missions:


      False, scientific missions are ongoing, both on the ISS and on various spacecraft. For example, the mission "Plasma-F" or the scientific satellite "Lomonosov". And school MCAs monitor space weather.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Spektr-RG - with Germany and the USA


      Exactly - a joint international mission. International missions - they bring together.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Radistron - I do not remember the nuances


      I see. laughing Even the name is distorting. Radioastron is a project of an interferometer with an ultra-wide base. The spacecraft is called Spectrum-R.



      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Coronas-Photon - who had not worked for a year, broke down.


      Unfortunately yes. It was done in a hurry and with a very poor budget then. But he sent many beautiful photos of the Sun. His successor - the space solar observatory "Arch" in our plans is available.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Integral - an international project where manufacturers are Italians and the incomprehensible role of Roscosmos


      I gave the link above.

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      What else?


      A lot of things. Search - google for help.
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    Roscosmos launched, brought to a point and controls the telescope using its ground-based systems, spending ORKK funds on this. IKI RAS is responsible for science on a telescope. Is it clear to you?

    Are you generally healthy there, the wooden mouthpiece of Roscosmos?))
    So this is what the article is all about, and Roscosmos only mentions in a specific context where astronomers have bones, and your boss Rogozin and his entourage fly on charters.
    Are you there in Roscosmos, by the way, who do you serve in the retinue or simpler? ;)
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      Are you generally healthy there, the wooden mouthpiece of Roscosmos?))


      And whose shout are you there? ruins or shkolota bulk? laughing

      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Are you there in Roscosmos, by the way, who do you serve in the retinue or simpler? ;)


      In short, everything is clear to me, "engineer Schukin." Brains zash..ny LiberSMI ears. laughing Tired and I went to sleep. Adieu.
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    In short, everything is clear to me, "engineer Schukin." Brains zash..ny LiberSMI ears. Tired and I went to sleep. Adieu.

    Yes, this time you didn’t get the “all is well beautiful marquise” session before the flock. I wanted, as usual, with oily speeches about the affairs of Roscosmos to partake, but stumbled over the facts) But be healthy, go to sleep)
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    Вот почитайте - http://www.ras.ru/news/shownews.aspx?id=f2f43a79-7d72-4eb7-a456-52c4d2a34f1d

    you watch and yourself did not read
    it does not say what exactly Roscosmos participated in the project
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    False, scientific missions are ongoing, both on the ISS and on various spacecraft. For example, the mission "Plasma-F" or the scientific satellite "Lomonosov". And school MCAs monitor space weather.

    you just do not pretend to be a hose, leave it to the cheers, they love such streamlined phrases.

    when I ask about scientific missions, of course we are talking about large interplanetary missions with probes and planet rovers. and you give me propaganda answers where you give small things to a full-fledged level.

    where are missions such as Solar Orbital, New Horziont, Insight, Rosetta, Osiris Rex, etc., where is at least one planet rover in the end? Dozens of missions in recent years, I hope you at least roughly know what there are.
    in response, I have inflated cheeks of importance that "everything will be! just my hands did not reach"
    do you even get paid in Roskosmos for this media activity here, where you lie to the patriots that all is well?
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      propaganda answers, where you give small things for a full level.

      No, well, how about:
      Quote: slipped
      On Lyubstvo is our neutron detector DAN

      It’s clear that without Dynamic Albedo of Neutrons (DAN) it wasn’t worth flying to Mars ... Sarcasm if that ...
      I do not detract from the achievements of our cosmonautics, but I don’t even have to say that everything is good ... there are problems above the roof ... they are raking, of course, slowly ...yes