The United States recognized the impossibility of replacing the Russian rocket engine RD-180

The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers, reports RT.

According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.

Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030

- the report says.

Particularly in the report, it was emphasized that the search for an alternative to the Russian RD-180 in the United States was undertaken in 2015, immediately after the imposition of sanctions against Russia due to the situation in Ukraine and Moscow’s response, and so far have not been successful. According to American laws and adopted documents, the United States must abandon the use of Russian engines, but this will happen no earlier than 2024.

Meanwhile, it became known about the estimated launch date for the ISS American manned spacecraft with crew. According to RIA News citing a source in the Russian space and rocket industry, a tentative start is scheduled for May this year.

According to data received from the American side, the launch of the first Crew Dragon ship with crew is scheduled for May 20

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Comments

[Nevsky_ZU]

Are you hooked on the country's "motor-column" needle?))

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Are you hooked on the country's "motor-column" needle?))

Welcome As they say - The best enemy of the good. It’s nice of course ... but, You definitely can’t stop! Moreover, the Chinese are stepping on their heels ...
Something tells me - the battle for the Cosmos has not even begun.

[bessmertniy]

Let them pray that this engine does not fall into our retaliatory sanctions against the United States.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: bessmertniy

Let them pray that this engine does not fall into our retaliatory sanctions against the United States.

I think it won't. There, private space traders are stepping on the heels of state corporations with their rockets, possibly with more ecological engines. And the Chinese will not sit on our engines for a long time. We need next generation engines that are economical and environmentally friendly.

[bessmertniy]

Well, we must try to get ahead in this. While there is time.

[Shurik70]

I am in shock.
RD-180 is based on RD-170 developed.
Well, what geniuses worked in the USSR, that the United States and forty years later, with the furious development of technology, are not something that can be surpassed, but they cannot even be compared.

[Azazelo]

no no ... a ban on delivery should appear at the right time to maximize the effect.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Moreover, the Chinese are stepping on their heels ...

The first three countries by the number of space launches in 2019.
China - 34 (32 successful), Russia - 22 (22), USA - 21 (21).
It’s nice to know that part of the American launches is thanks to Russian engines.

[Horde1]

if so, raise the price.

[Thrifty]

They just weren't on Topvar, and they don't know the group of members of the forum who prayed in the US! Otherwise, they would have learned that our engine is the Stone Age, and the Yankees already have a dozen engines at least ten years ago to replace ours. And they buy Rd180 out of pity for the "poor Russians"!

[Division]

Quote: Thrifty

They simply were not on Topvar, and were not familiar with a group of members of the forum, praying for the United States! Otherwise, we would know that our engine is a stone age

How you subtly pricked neoliberals ....
So much for bastard Russia ..

[krot]

They simply were not on Topvar, and were not familiar with a group of members of the forum, praying for the United States!

I agree! The liberals are minuscule ..))) Actually, they stall their country and slow down, distracting them with unnecessary actions, or even stealing the budget ... On the other hand, they do not let us relax. And that is a plus!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

and the Yankees already have a dozen engines

And launch into space everything, right down to cars
Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night

[Edik]

Quote: Lipchanin

And launch into space everything, right down to cars
Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night

Sergei, somehow everyone overlooks the "trampoline", and it was not just that it was said! This is the only engine that can be entrusted with human life to deliver a man into space!
After all, when it is necessary to deliver their astronauts to the ISS, they stand in line and pay!

[Lipchanin]

Are you telling me this?
Tell those who are minus me.
Apologists mask

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Edik

This is the only engine that can be trusted in human life.

Which, RD-180? He had never launched manned missions.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Quote: Edik

This is the only engine that can be trusted in human life.

Which, RD-180? He had never launched manned missions.

Tssssss! Don’t tell anyone about it. Let me get high. Read very smart and patriotic comments calmly Enjoy our. So to speak, or rather, even Soviet success.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Thrifty

and the Yankees already have a dozen engines

And launch into space everything, right down to cars
Soon they will fly to the sun. Yes, it’s bad luck, they don’t have a launch complex beyond the Arctic Circle, where for half a year night

judging by the number of minuses that you received, on the site the majority are no longer victims of the ege, but in general it is not clear who. Well, how can you not know that you need to fly in the sun at night? ;)
ps In general, Ivan Ivanovich should know who Semyon Semenovich is. (WITH)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Grim Reaper

Well, how can you not know that you need to fly in the sun at night?

It is possible in the fog, but it quickly resolves

[Adam Khomich]

But they still claim that they flew to the moon!

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Once, Vietnam was bombed. And now they cannot bring a couple of aircraft carriers to working condition.

[rotmistr60]

at the moment, the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine ... will be able to reproduce only much later 2030 year

And what were the loud statements that in 2020 they will use their own and completely abandon the Russian ones. But the reality is much sadder than a dream that still needs to be realized.

[Lamata]

Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Lamata

Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments Do you sleep at all? multi-station however!

[Lamata]

I’m sitting at home because of illness, and I’m sleeping and eating and doing business, so there’s no reason for alarm)))))

[Lamata]

On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Lamata

On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

And I'm from 2013 ... But ... such high-speed Scribes - Few met!

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Lamata

On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

Giant Thoughts?

[Lamata]

And the father of Russian democracy !!!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Lamata

And the father of Russian democracy !!!

Mr. kitty?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Lamata

On the stripes you have been on the site for 2 years since 2015, so much so.)))

And then whose dossier is this?

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[Lamata]

the first time zaregin in February 2015, and went to the Yu site probably from the beginning of 2014. And what is the problem, is the number of comments annoying?

[Division]

Quote: Hunter 2

Quote: Lamata

Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments Do you sleep at all? multi-station however!

Well, you, too, Alexey is not far behind him and everyone is trying to be on the first lines .. Can a marshal make you?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Divizion

Quote: Hunter 2

Quote: Lamata

Just very encouraging news. THANKS to our techies and engineers.

Handsome man! In two weeks - throw 945 comments Do you sleep at all? multi-station however!

Well, you, too, Alexey is not far behind him and everyone is trying to be on the first lines .. Can a marshal make you?

Yeah .. 1700 comments in two years! Two weeks later - overtake ... The clerk!
To Me My Rank is Major MP ... enough for the eyes!
Also novoreg ??? Sufferer? Meehan - you?

[Lamata]

No, do not confuse me with this chameleon))))

[Krasnodar]

Meehan - Husit
Hi Aleksey! How's the village life?

[Lamata]

I’m here kada then rose to capra

[Division]

But what about the promoted Musk? The gut is thin ..

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Musk flies on its engines and is not eager to sell them to direct competitors from ULA. :)

[Division]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Musk flies on its engines and is not eager to sell them to direct competitors from ULA. :)

Well, the American flag is in your hands .. And do not anger us with your mask, etc. And then on trampolines you will jump into space ..

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.

[Division]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.

We will stock up on beer for this world event .. Astronauts probably already say goodbye to families and write wills ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

The next trampoline jump with two astronauts is scheduled for early May (which means it is actually May-June), they will jump on a trampoline called Crew Dragon.

When they "jump", then it will be possible to crackle, but now it will be too early ... All you have to do is jump

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Musk flies on his engines

Where is he flying? It launches a variety of scrap metal, yes (like red roadsters), but its pains haven’t been flown so far. Let's see what happens on May 20. Something tells me screwed up again.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: orionvitt

Where is he flying? Launches a variety of scrap

Previously, the "scrap metal" launched by Musk by Protons was launched until Musk came and the entire market for launching commercial satellites did not crush the entire market. And in May, he is just preparing to bite off his next niche.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

getting ready to crush the next niche

Preparing and implementing are two different things. I advise you to think about the difference between a manned flight into space, from launching a satellite, for example. And in the case of cosmonauts' flight, to realize the depth of the problems being solved. And then sing the praises of the "great genius".

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Already in the middle of the year, you will change the discourse to "so what did he do, just think, the grandfathers started Gagarin back in the 60s", it is checked. ;) The tradition of changing shoes in a jump and not remembering what was said yesterday.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Already in the middle of the year you will change the discourse

This is not the first year I have heard this. If it happens in the middle of the year, well, I will be glad for the Americans, after all, the progress of humanity. In the meantime, what our fathers and grandfathers did in the early 60s, Americans have already forgotten how to do for 9 years (nine Karl!). And this is for all their "progress", as they claim. And about the moon, vague doubts arise. Despite the fact that they did not have the collapse of the 90s, there were no wars and revolutions, on the contrary, they seemed to develop dynamically. What happened to the US space industry?

The tradition of changing shoes in the air and not remembering what was said yesterday

Do not judge by yourself. Or does the training manual allow you?

[mikstepanenko]

And about the moon, vague doubts arise.

And here there is no doubt. They simply did not have the necessary technology, they did not even know then about their need. An example of a docking, the Americans did it several times for each flight in the absence of docking nodes. Now it takes almost a day to "steer" for docking, and you need several low-power correction engines. They took off from the moon and immediately docked perfectly. Without correction engines, they simply did not exist, as well as docking stations. Another example, spacesuits, in which they dashingly pranced on the moon. A modern spacesuit for work in open space looks more impressive and weighs many times more, but in it such freedom of movement (as they demonstrate) cannot be achieved. Another example, on the topic of the article. When the Apollos were at the start, gases, oxygen and hydrogen were released, several tons per hour. But on Earth, the breeze carried away, but where did it go when hovering in orbit? That's right, there were many tons of ... strong explosives accumulating near the ship. And what happens if you light up the motor? That's right, big boom. But it was impossible to ignite it there. For oxygen and hydrogen in the tanks (they are cryogenic) had to collect in the center. And the fuel pumps sucked from the bottom of the tank. What? Emptiness, vacuum. And flying back is just a song of idiocy. A two-hole scheme, a very very narrow corridor of entry into the atmosphere, ideally accurate speed (otherwise it will burn out or forever be thrown away from the Earth). And the orientation system (in this case it can be compared to a sight) allows you to hit, at best, a target the size of a door from a couple of meters. As they said then about these systems (used to direct cameras) - a drunk monkey on a galloping mustang will aim better. And it was necessary to hit a flying bullet from a distance of ten kilometers (I remind you about the absence of correcting engines). With one start of the main engine, perfectly orienting the ship and giving the engine a perfectly precisely calculated impulse. It is impossible even now, impossible in principle. You can continue for a very long time.

[region58]

Quote: mikstepanenko

For oxygen and hydrogen in the tanks (they are cryogenic) had to gather in the center. And the fuel pumps sucked from the bottom of the tank. What? Emptiness, vacuum.

Tell me, how did all the same start the engines in space? And the Americans and ours, and more than once? Maybe you still don’t know something?
I won’t talk about the rest - here even Ren-TV is not good for you ...
PS And judging by the fact that they put pluses to you - everything is much sadder than it seems. Unless of course you have several accounts.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I judge by the ease with which the commercial loads that Proton used to carry, our pride, was quickly rewritten into scrap metal when they moved to Falcon.

[orionvitt]

Are you an adequate person, or stupid obstinacy, your distinguishing feature? And what is the commercial load? The conversation is in progress about manned flights. ABOUT man's flight into space. Do you understand the difference?

[mark2]

Does the mask fly? In ganjubas, if only. It does not fly, does not fly, and will not fly.

[Guards turn]

In the United States, it was not possible to replace the Russian rocket engine RD-180 until 2030.
Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

[Division]

Quote: Guards turn

Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

Hopes for Russia ..

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Guards turn

Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

Musk just not only launches his rockets on his Merlin engines, but has already made the Raptor engine for his next rocket and successfully tested in flight - the first ever (!!!) rocket engine to take off from the ground in a circuit with complete gasification of components.

All the fuss about the RD-180 - it’s not about the Mask, but about ULA and Orbital, its less efficient competitors.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

The Raptor is the first ever (!!!) rocket engine to take off from the ground in a circuit with complete gasification of components.

I remember Howard Hughes, too, I remember, the Goose came off the ground (water) ...

[Guards turn]

The head of SpaceX, a well-known entrepreneur and inventor, Ilon Musk, called the Russian RD-180 engine excellent in terms of design.

“It's a shame that Lockheed Martin and Boeing are forced to use the Russian engine on Atlas. But his design is flawless, ”Musk wrote on his microblog on Twitter.

The RD-180 liquid rocket engine is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash JSC. It is intended for use as part of the American Atlas launch vehicles.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

He told everyone known. It is not necessary to claim that the RD-180 is a good engine, through links on Musk's Twitter. What kind of provinciality is this, "an American uncle praised our engine"?

[Guards turn]

The launch of the Antares launch vehicle with Northrop Grumman’s Cygnus cargo ship was delayed again, NASA said.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Today successfully flew away. I hope that you had enough time yesterday to enjoy the triumph of weather transference.

[Alex_You]

"American uncle praised our engine

So on this and the whole article is built.

[Blackmokona]

Generally SpaceX developed the following space rocket engines.
Kestrel, Marilyn, Draco, SuperDraco, Raptor. All but the last have already flown into space. The latter has already been tested in the atmosphere.

[Blackmokona]

Already launched three missiles on its engines this year, the number of missile launches on its engines Marilyn has already exceeded the number of missile launches on the RD-180.

[Engineer Schukin]

RushTudey in his own style. The main headline is cheer-patriotic.

If very short:
RD-180 is the first stage engine of the Atlas-5 launch vehicle from ULA. This pH almost does not fly.
In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)
RD-180 is not a US problem, it is a ULA specific problem. Although this is not a problem.
ULA to replace the Atlas-5 is made by the Volcano LV, the engine for which is made by BlueOrigin (Jeff Bezos, Amazon). The BE-4 engine is made methane.

Of course, that such headlines here on RushTudey and then on VO are nothing more than a miserable magazine-mug stew for cheers who know nothing about the space industry at all, but they all know, this is just a mess from the headlines of the Republic of Tatarstan and other RIA .

Funny straight)

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

do not strain, do not set off, minus you.

[Engineer Schukin]

I’ll survive your minuses somehow. They are even pleasant to me)

For example, keep a fresh report on BE-4, this is a methane engine for Vulcan LV (ULA) and NewGlen launch vehicle (BlueOrigin),

* Now the stand, which was used for testing Saturn-5, for BE-4 and BE-3 engines, is underway.
* This year, the production of two serial samples of BE-4 is planned. They are intended for ULA.
* Qualification fire tests will be carried out on two engines with switching on for full duration.
* The engine is designed for 25 flight cycles without significant maintenance.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

I’ll survive your minuses somehow. They are even pleasant to me)

Colleague, you really are unlikely to be able to prove something to the local stubborn idiots, although you write everything absolutely correctly and very informatively. Respect to you for the educational work in the dark masses of Uryaputriots.

[region58]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

I’ll survive your minuses somehow.

Quote: Malyuta

Respect to you for enlightening work in the dark

Well. As soon as they defeated everyone and instructed the cons, and you told them about some kind of reality, about the fact that the RD-180 is used very, very limitedly ...
PS

Quote: Malyuta

uryaputriots

Of course, it is fashionable to mention the head of state in business and, more often, not in business, but here, it seems to me, bust.

[Errr]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)

9 launches of Atlas V are scheduled for the current year, 4 launches - on the 2021st and 3 - on the 2022nd, Karl! And these Atlases will drag from the start exactly RD-180, and not BE-4.

[Engineer Schukin]

This year, the United States, in principle, will make a record number of launches. SpaceX alone will make 30-40 launches.
And of course, ULA with its 9 launches, albeit a bit, will add to the big picture.

[Errr]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

This year, the United States, in principle, will make a record number of launches. SpaceX alone will make 30-40 launches.

Far less. SpaceX is planning 20 launches of the Falcon 9 and 2 launches of the Falcon Heavy this year. In total, therefore, 22 launches.
So ULA with its 9 starts - this is not so little.

[Engineer Schukin]

20 - this is only to third-party customers who have long been in the plan.
+ 24 more launches with Starlink satellites, tomorrow is the third launch this year on Starlink. Every 2 weeks, 60 satellites are launched.
Total, in terms of only 44 launches. But I think it will still be less, 35-40.

[Errr]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

+ 24 more launches with Starlink satellites, tomorrow is the third launch this year on Starlink.

A little slower, horses ...
Tomorrow, the third launch of the Falcon 9 with the 60th Starlink will really take places "on board", but at the same time the penultimate one this year, tk. in total, 4 such launches are planned for 2020 and they are included in the same 20 launches of the 9th Falconsscheduled for this year.

[Engineer Schukin]

Why do you invent your reality in every post?
The 24 Starlink launches go in addition to the third-party launches already ordered.

[Errr]

I didn’t invent a single letter. Just read the addresses:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Список_запусков
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_запусков_ракеты-носителя_Falcon_9#С_2020_года

[Engineer Schukin]

Do not read Wikipedia before eating and sleeping)

Read official SpaceX announcements if you're interested in SpaceX launch plans;)

Googling statements by Gwen Shotwell, or directly the Mask.

[Errr]

Mercy. I will consider. I will read it.

[Engineer Schukin]

SpaceX basically stated that they want to bring Starlink into a separate company and put it on an IPO (exchange).

Right now, a specific race for this future mega-market. Now in the race:
Space - there are already 240
OneWeb - 34 already
Amazon (Blue Origin) - it seems they are already sawing something, but there is almost no news
The Pentagon - while only thinking through the project.

[voyaka uh]

"third launch of Falcon 9 with 60 Starlinks" ////
----
This is the fourth pack. 180 have already been launched.
They have the first stage: 1548 satellites in orbits 550 km from the Earth.
In total - all stages - 12,000 satellites.

[Errr]

About 12 thousand are now out of the question. There will be a total of 1584 satellites (24 orbital planes over 66 satellites).

More: https://www.cableman.ru/article/nizkoorbitalnye-sputnikovye-gruppirovki-starlink

[Engineer Schukin]

In fact, we are talking about 30+ thousand satellites of the future grouping (network), in the 30s. If anything.
12 thousand satellites, this is the basic figure of the plan at the moment. This is what they plan to bring out by 2024.
1584 satellites, this is the first turn to cover the United States. They will reach this figure in a year and a half. This year, 24 launches are planned for Starlink, with 60 vehicles on board. While they are launching in two weeks. But I think the pace will slow down later. But by the end of the year, a thousand will be recruited. Despite the fact that they will have 300 pieces with today's launch.

No one has done this yet, no one has worked with such volumes and synchronization of information. They are now pioneers in the nascent megastore of the foreseeable future.
Now this market by the 30s is estimated at 100+ billion dollars. Where space plans to hold 40-50% of the market.
True, their actual competitor is now only OneWeb, which only launched the first experimental batch, in 34 devices.
But BlueOrigin (Amazon, Bezos), have an infinite flow of money, Bezos sells Amazon shares and pours $ 1 billion a year to invest in his own space company. And this year he has already sold 2 billion. And if the BOs now find a competent team, who can also adjust the serial production of satellites to the multi-thousandth level, like Space, then he will have enough money for everything else. Musk is also now in Tesla tens of billions plump, and also Starlink can afford to pay. But still he doesn’t sell his shares in Tesla, and Starlink plans to withdraw to IPO, in shares.

In general, the topic is very broad and deep. And this is a smooth revolution of global internet technology. In general, I recommend reading on the topic)

[Blackmokona]

SpaceX some Starlinks plan to make 24 launches

[krops777]

As you can see, GSO bottles do not fly, but only alases on RD-180

[Engineer Schukin]

But you are lying (possibly out of ignorance) and you are not blushing. And people believe ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)
RD-180 is not a US problem, it is a ULA specific problem.

Clear. Why then buy?

[Engineer Schukin]

Because initially, 20 years ago, the ULA held a tender, according to which Energomash was paid for the creation of this taxiway, with the relevant ULA rights to this engine.
So ULA also buys these engines on its LV (Atlas-5), but at the same time makes a new LV Volcano, with a methane engine.

The hysteria over RD-180 occurs only in the headlines of the Russian media. In reality, the USA has no problems with the RD-180 at all. And even for ULA there is no problem, they calmly buy their own paid product. And they are working with a new launch vehicle.
And most importantly, ULA is no longer a player in the launch services market. Space took everything.

It’s only here, in the Russian propogondonsky mass media hysteria rolls in headlines. Such as this one.
And given that the people generally do not know about the space industry, everything is taken on faith. Therefore, then uryakalki run around with this here "ahahaha, you can't do anything without us, ahahaha"

A sad and shameful sight.

[Vasyan1971]

Panyatna. Like take-or-pay?
"I don't need it, but once we agreed, then ...."

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

they calmly buy their own paid product

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

A sad and shameful sight.

Extra money, why not ...

[Engineer Schukin]

In my opinion you are not very clear, judging by the comment)

[Vasyan1971]

Tooting.
In fact, one thing is clear: "if the stars are lit, then somebody needs it."

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

In 2019, out of 27 launches in the USA, Atlas-5 flew only 2 times (Karl!)

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

they calmly buy the product they paid for.

For what purpose? Where are purchased and unused items stored? Not under the press are allowed? Or "let it rot, but in my barn"?
What is the problem? What are you unhappy with? Money is coming, the industry is working. Well, the fact that the adversaries do not put all their eggs in one basket indicates their common sense. Well, please ...

[Engineer Schukin]

What am I dissatisfied with? Ooh
I am absolutely happy with everything, except for the propaganda in the Russian media, which takes advantage of the fact that the main reader is not at all interested in the space theme, and therefore cannot adequately understand such "news".

In general, RD-180 and missions to the ISS are the last sources of foreign exchange earnings from Roskosmos. And when this faucet finally closes, it will further aggravate the already sad situation of Roscosmos.

Rogozin himself admits that Roscosmos lives only due to NASA paid seats to the ISS. And without such income, only at the expense of the budget will have to shut up all budget deficits, including saving Khrunichevtsy who are de facto bankrupt.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

I am completely satisfied with everything

Well, thank God!

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

except propogandonia in the Russian media

Well, here already And your struggle with this, especially here, is a waste of nerves and time. Is it worth it?

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

when this faucet finally closes,

Rumors of this are greatly exaggerated.

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

Rogozin himself admits

Judge for yourself: the passage about the trampoline is nonsense, and

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

Roscosmos lives only at the expense of NASA paid seats to the ISS

true? Either that, or some way, or somewhere in between. Question about half empty or half full glass. Who, how do you like ... By the way, how do you like?

[Engineer Schukin]

With regard to Roscosmos and its position - absolutely do not like it.
If you are really interested in the space industry in the world and in Russia in particular, then there are no glasses at all. But there is a broken trough of Roskosmos, to which they have come over the past 10-20 years.

Moreover, the position of Roscosmos in the 90s was much better than now. This is true.
In the late 90s, at the beginning of the zero, Roscosmos could still build modules for the ISS, and most importantly still had leading positions in launches and production of spacecraft. The Soviet backlog was still relevant. And most importantly, in general, the world over the past 10 years has gone by leaps and bounds, and Roscosmos has not created anything new in 20 years.
Of the new, only the long-suffering Angara ...

And even Spectrum-RG is an international project where even in the Russian part (ART-XC) the most important element (mirrors) is made in the USA.

Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.

So still empty ...

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

But there is a broken trough of Roskosmos, to which they have come over the past 10-20 years.

Is that

maybe it?

ahhh, is it like that?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

Moreover, the position of Roscosmos in the 90s was much better than now. This is true.

Oops. with the letter w at the beginning.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

In the late 90s, at the beginning of the zero, Roscosmos could still build modules for the ISS,

And now builds, show?

And the extreme Russian module was delivered to the ISS in 2010, have you forgotten? Since then, many Soyuz and Progress ships have been there and soon the next ones will fly.

MLM-U "Science" is scheduled to be shipped to Baikonur on March 19

Quote: Engineer Schukin

and most importantly, he still had a leading position in launches and production of spacecraft.

We now have more than fifty spacecraft of various classes in production

Quote: Engineer Schukin

And most importantly, in general, the world over the past 10 years has gone by leaps and bounds, and Roscosmos has not created anything new in 20 years.

What are your "leaps and bounds"? Unprofitable for Roscosmos today, a jet landing of a stage on Earth?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

Of the new, only the long-suffering Angara ...

She is long-suffering only in your imagination. The rocket has not flown yet, the third launch only this year.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

And even Spectrum-RG is an international project where even in the Russian part (ART-XC) the most important element (mirrors) is made in the USA.

Wow, we forgot about the successful seven-year operation of the Spectra-R, right? By the way, our Sarov production has the same "important element" in terms of quality, it stands on a ground analogue.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

Roscosmos, in principle, is no longer able to produce something new, not to mention that this something was commercially successful.

The Egyptian satellite, launched into space last year, was depressed.



In short, some on topvar like to stupidly lie with a smart look.

[Engineer Schukin]

In the end, what about you, modules that from Peter the Great’s time cannot launch satellites (piece-wise, with failures, but real satellites!), But the truth is with a prohibitive level of imported equipment?
And the whole (whole!) Telescope in 30 years?
Yes, you still and everything with the Angara okay?))
Is that all the industry gives, with a budget of $ 4 billion and 200+ thousand employees?

You yourself are not funny?

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

In the end, what do you have, modules that since Peter’s times can’t run

Don’t worry, we’ll start soon

Quote: Engineer Schukin

and satellites (piecewise, with failures, but real satellites!),

failures are at all, recall the fate of WorldView-4?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

but the truth is with a prohibitive level of import equipment?

The key word in your sketch is "transcendental", well, I will please you with the recent news. Have you heard about RKS? no? So, a technology for the production of microwave boards for use in space has been developed there.

"The head of the design and technological department of RKS Andrey ZHUKOV:" Our design and production technology allows us to organize the production of high-quality boards that can work stably in space. The stability of the characteristics of the microwave signal is ensured by the use of thermal treatment of the organic dielectric. the board made it possible to achieve stability of its operation at temperatures from -196oC to 200oC, which is confirmed by experiments. "
http://russianspacesystems.ru/2020/01/31/v-rks-razrabotana-tekhnologiya-proizvo/

Quote: Engineer Schukin

And the whole (whole!) Telescope in 30 years?

There was no Coronas-Photon yet.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

Yes, you still and everything with the Angara okay?))

Yes, they’re preparing to be sent to the spaceport, didn’t they know?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

You yourself are not funny?

It's funny how you sketch.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: slipped

And the extreme Russian module was delivered to the ISS in 2010, have you forgotten?

Last in 2000 was launched. And launched in 2010 to the opposite side of the Russian segment is docked, closer to the center.

[slipped]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Last in 2000 was launched. And launched in 2010 to the opposite side of the Russian segment is docked, closer to the center.

What was it? Extreme means the next, and not its location.

[Antiliberast]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

It is only here in Russian propogondonskie media rolls hysteria in the headlines.

I take off my hat to the SBU, we have found one jumper who is able to bring a couple of words together and oppose at least something to them with the hated "cotton wool" ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

miserable journalism stew for cheers who know nothing about the space industry

Tell us miserable about the great space achievements of the United States in 2019.

[Engineer Schukin]

Yes, everything is as usual.
60% of all manufactured spacecraft in the world.
Space began to display its satellite constellation, already 240 satellites launched. The other day another 60 will fly
New Horizons became close to Ultima Thule, the most distant object of the solar system
InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
Juno works with Jupiter
Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
OSIRIS-Rex works with asteroid Bennu

And if you are not interested in space probes, then google what companies such as BlueOrigin, VirginGalaxy, SpaceX (Starship work), FireFly, etc. did in 2019.

In general, judging by the question, you are really very far from the topic, which means that in one post I simply can not tell you about everything.

I gave you the direction, go for it)

[Romka]

Why are you spoiling this weekend with such information?

[Engineer Schukin]

So it’s checked, by tomorrow, the recipients completely erase the memory and they will start their mantras again)

[Lontus]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

So it’s checked, by tomorrow, the recipients completely erase the memory and they will start their mantras again)

Are you talking about those that have been broadcasting with the air of experts since 2014, "here,", "soon soon" America will launch a man in its spaceship on its rocket?
For 9 years, the trampoline has been working smoothly for astronauts.

[slipped]

Quote: Romka

Why are you spoiling this weekend with such information?

and you don’t worry so much, NASA’s budget is 20 times larger than that of Roskosmos, and nothing has been done there, you can count it with your finger, but still they don’t have what we already have.

The successfully operated broad-base interferometer Radioastron (Spektr-R spacecraft) - they have never had such a thing . Gigabytes of data are being raked from it and will be raked for several more years.

Astrophysical observatory "Spektr-RG" scanning the sky today with high resolution - they do not have such a thing now and will not have it soon.

Among the nearest planned astrophysical observatories is the new world observatory "Spectr-UF", which we are creating together with Spain:

New project "Millimetron" (SC "Spektr-M") with huge cryo-mirrors



And over the course of five years - two landing and one orbital spacecraft to the moon, the planetary Martian platform, solar observatories, a new rocket, a new spaceship, new modules for the ISS ...

All will be well.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

60% of all manufactured spacecraft in the world.

It is difficult to call a great achievement.

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

Space began to display its satellite constellation, already 240 satellites launched. The other day another 60 will fly

Nothing at all.

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

New Horizons became close to Ultima Thule, the most distant object of the solar system
InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
Juno works with Jupiter
Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
OSIRIS-Rex works with asteroid Bennu

I agree here, although partially related to 2019, except for the solar probe, all the rest were launched from the flightless Atlas-5

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

And if you are not interested in space probes, then google what companies such as BlueOrigin, VirginGalaxy, SpaceX (Starship work), FireFly, etc. did in 2019.

There are many plans, maybe 2020 will surprise us with something.
The Japanese with their Hayabusa-2 are worthy of more attention, but we are not talking about them.

[Engineer Schukin]

How simple it is for you ...
True, everything is known in comparison.

The United States now in orbit more than half of all satellites in the world.
About 25-30 orbital telescopes. (in Russia 1)
About 10-15 operating planet rovers / probes (Russia has 0, moreover, for all 30 years 0)
USA produces 60% of all spacecraft in the world (Russia ~ 4%)
The United States participates in all projects of ground-based telescopes (Russia didn’t even find money to join ESO, and it has only the museum BTA 76go ..., where, moreover, the mirror could not be replaced ...)

etc. etc.

I don’t even want to tell you about dozens of new projects that are demolished, in hardware, because I’ll run into the classic "ahaha, they will launch it, then we say"

And now you tell us what great success Roskosmos has for 2019?

[Salty]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

And now you tell us what great success Roskosmos has for 2019?

You will find some answers to your questions here from this comrade:

https://topwar.ru/user/slipped/

[slipped]

Quote: SaltY

You will find some answers to your questions here from this comrade:

And he doesn’t need answers, he’s just an attacker.

[Guards turn]

InSight conducts drilling operations on Mars
Juno works with Jupiter
Parker Solar Probe works with the Sun
OSIRIS-Rex works with the asteroid Bennu ... Everything is very far, but closer to the earth closer to the moon landing when they have another?

[askort154]

The United States still does not have its own rocket engine like the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030.

RD-180 engines are installed on Atlases. The first contract was for 101 engines, with a total price of 1,5 billion dollars. dl., repeated for 20 engines for a total amount, already 1,5 billion. dlr. Over the past 18 years, about 25% of all US launches have
was carried out by the Atlas carrier rocket on Russian RD-180 engines.

[cloud catcher]

Here you have the trump,
those. trump card "were the Americans on the moon?" (i.e. manned flight). And about the details and so it is known ... many who wrote about it, for example Mukhin Yu.I.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Can the BE-4 be considered a replacement for the RD-180? It is impossible, but Energomash will not be easier if BE-4 are standing on Vulcan.

[Engineer Schukin]

Of course you can’t. BE-4 engine under methane. The same as the Raptor.
Rogozin’s dreams look like this:

Oxygen-kerosene engines, of course, should be replaced in the near future with new works that will be based on oxygen-hydrogen and oxygen-methane, that is, on liquefied natural gas. These are simpler solutions, cheaper, more reliable. If you make this Soyuz-5 rocket, you need to do it on a modern engine, and not on an engine that is 50 years old.

True, Soyuz 5 will still be made "on an engine that is 50 years old." Here is such a Rogozmos.

[mikstepanenko]

should be replaced in the near future with new work that will be based on oxygen-hydrogen

And what's in the future then? Slap on oxygen, the technology has been worked out, "flew to the moon" without a single accident.

[Vladimir61]

Oh, I don’t believe it! The richest and most technologically advanced country in the world, has been buying this engine for a quarter of a century, has been looking for a replacement for five years, but still cannot realize its space ambitions without backward and crotched Russia.

[Yves762]

Well, yes, Russia will supply them. Don’t do anything with it. - proven. And if so, then do not bother figs; right up to the year 2030. And there, either Musk will finish the four-thread, or the gravitapps will appear, or not at all, because .. .. this one.

[And why do you need]

It's like selling gas and electricity to China. If only the currency goes.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

So here there is an engineer. Schukin in the comments, she is the daughter of a Russian officer, she is a native Crimean. Already with foam at her mouth, she screams that the mask is still the best, and your engines are just a laugh.

[rocket757]

Recognized and okay ... it’s ridiculous to say that it’s still necessary how many years to develop !!!!
And before what were you doing?
Disappointed, I still assumed that when the Yankees resist the “horn” they get it, that's what they need. Have you forgotten how?

[mikstepanenko]

Disappointed, I still assumed that when the Yankees resist the “horn” they get it, that's what they need. Have you forgotten how?

And they have no one to resist. Typical staff of an American firm - directors are Americans, engineers and technicians - China, Japan, Russia, workers - Americans. They lost the engineering link, thanks to the "best in the world" education system) which we are now diligently copying). They already have several generations of massively illiterate people, and in the literal sense, they cannot write, they live on social benefits. View photos of Detroit - like Stalingrad after the war. And Detroit is the face of industrial America. And some really good universities (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, etc.) will not make the weather, as well as individual working enterprises.

[honest people]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Are you hooked on the country's "motor-column" needle?))

The main thing to believe in it
The launch of the Starlink-4 mission is scheduled for February 16, 18:25 Moscow time (15:25 UTC / 10: 25 am EST)

We are awaiting the launch of the next 60 Starlink satellites into low Earth orbit.
Accelerator: Falcon 9 B1056.4 (4th flight). An attempt to record for the shortest time between using a specific accelerator is 61 days (now 71 days).
The weather forecast gives 90% for the launch of the 16th.
The first step is to board the OCISLY floating platform 1 km in the Atlantic Ocean.
Ships Go Ms. Tree and Go Ms. Chief again will try to simultaneously catch two Falcon 9 cowl flaps in the net after they are separated from the 2nd stage (3rd attempt) - 691 km.
This will be the 4th launch of this year for SpaceX (taking into account IFA), the 5th mass launch of Starlink satellites, the 50th launch of Falcon 9 from the SLC-40 platform and 89 company mission for all time

[75 Sergey]

Do you have anything to do in 404 countries?

[orionvitt]

For those who are especially literate (or for those who are especially dumb, decide for yourself), I advise you to think and finally understand for yourself, how flight differs from launch. When you understand the basic things, then you will continue to pull your bagpipes, about "60 satellites at a time."

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: honest people

We are awaiting the launch of the next 60 Starlink satellites into low Earth orbit.

This is not an achievement but clogged the near-Earth space. and it is still not clear whether it will be economically profitable compared to 5 G, Ilonushka can fly by.

[75 Sergey]

They do not want to develop a new engine for the old rocket launcher.
This is normal, especially since there is where to get it.

[Ros 56]

What are you, but what about the exclusivity of the striped? And this is with a torn economy, well, no way. This is a clear zrada, ay, little black one, where are you, Obama will turn yours into a swing.

[krops777]

As you can see, GSO bottles do not fly, but only alases on RD-180

[donavi49]

Well, in 2017, they probably didn’t output it. In 2019, 6,8 tons are output.

December 17 2019
Booster Falcon 9 successfully launched on geostationary orbit Japanese-Singaporean communications satellite - SpaceX

US Falcon 9 booster rocket successfully launches Japanese-Singapore telecommunications satellite on geostationary orbit JCSat-18 / Kacific-1, designed to provide broadband Internet access services in the Asia-Pacific region, SpaceX rocket development company said.

The launch was carried out at 03:10 from the 40th space launch complex at the air base at Cape Canaveral in Florida.

Satellite weighing 6,8 tons, created by the American corporation Boeing, is owned by the Japanese company SKY Perfect JSAT Corp. and Singapore-based Kacific Broadband Satellites.

And with the booster landing


JCSat-18 / Kacific-1

[Topgun]

yes, but at the same time, the operators of the GSO satellites are for some reason in line for the Mask, because it has such a price that it is cheaper to sacrifice part of the life of satellites in orbit using their fuel for the flight from the GSO to the GPO than to use the services of competitors Mask - who delivers them to GPO
and it’s cheaper, including because there is no upper stage (3rd stage) - a thing is not cheap
By the way, on the Internet, the Proton project walked without a booster block to compete with Mask - but still decided to bury ...

[honest people]

Quote: Divizion

Quote: Guards turn

Elon Musk has already built an interplanetary ship, but he can’t do a rocket engine.

Hopes for Russia ..

Explore Musk materiel flies on Merlin

[nod739]

Distort ... you might think s are technologically backward ... Nuno ..
There are engines, the question is price first of all, and reliability

[honest people]

Quote: orionvitt

For those who are especially literate (or for those who are especially dumb, decide for yourself), I advise you to think and finally understand for yourself, how flight differs from launch. When you understand the basic things, then you will continue to pull your bagpipes, about "60 satellites at a time."

For the most dumb ones, what did you want to say that Space X will not display 60 satellites at a time

[honest people]

Quote: 75Sergey

Do you have anything to do in 404 countries?

Do you think Russia is a country of 404?

[Nick Russ]

“The USA has certified the Russian rocket engines RD-180 for flights of American astronauts into space, Igor Arbuzov, Director General of NPO Energomash, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

https://ria.ru/20180731/1525642208.html

“Among the rocket motors spread out on the floor of Lockheed Martin’s huge assembly shop in Utherton Canyon, it is easy to distinguish between those made in the USA and those made in Russia. The American models are shiny, streamlined, stuffed with unusual details and wriggling pipes. a noticeable weld, not a single missing rivet. Russian engines inspire less confidence. Construction foam hangs from the knots like whipped cream, rusty pipes are covered with weld scars, some parts seem to be connected with a wire "- so Wired magazine described at the beginning 2001 RD-180 engines built by NPO Energomash. ,,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.svoboda.org/amp/30278401.html

[slipped]

Quote: Nick Russ

as Wired magazine described in early 2001 ...

so they then dabbled in such

In general, do not touch our Lev Andropov! He is our fso!

[Nick Russ]

Cover translation:

,, RUSSIA - THE END. UNSTOPPABLE FALL TO SOCIAL DISASTER AND TOTAL NON-ISHEAT IN STRATEGIC RELATION ,,

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Quote: Nick Russ

Cover translation:

Well Duc, the date is exactly the same

[Andrey Gurenkov]

And where is elon mask

[donavi49]

Elon Musk holds his fists so that Atlas will bomb colorful. These are its main competitors. Which furnish on the most delicious government orders. Where Musk withdraws for 60-80 million pulling out orders on the market at the commerce, there Yula withdraws a government order for 200-500 million (withdrawing contract, excluding the price of the load).

[donavi49]

Well, so far they are selling, why not buy. Cheap and reliable.

Atlas hangs on these engines. It has certification for government orders (the most delicious) and manned launches. Change engine = make new certification for an already old and non-marketable rocket (% of Atlas’s commercial launches go to 0 or the government, or NASA, or scientific, like the solar orbiter, a joint project with ESA).

Actually the current published ULA strategy:
operation until the 30s of the Atlas.
commissioning of methane Vulcan, its certification and its replacement of the entire Delta family.
then the Atlas will be used as a minibus on the ISS, or will be removed.

Other Russian engines uses Antares. With him, everything is bad. The only RN customer is NASA, in the ISS commercial supply mission. Now 13 Swan cannot fly away. NASA has paid for the construction of 15 Swans at the moment. Will it be 16? It’s still in doubt. If Swan is everything, then Antares is everything. The developer company has already died and become a department of Northrop.

If Putin slams his fist on the table, Rogozin will obey, and the engines will become sanctions, will the US die? No. They will have to redistribute the purchased engines on priority missions:
- Starliner, because this is the only missile (except Falcon) - certified for manned flights. In theory, you can use Delta. But there will have to be finalized, and this time is money for a dead rocket (again, the Volcano is coming soon).

- Almost all missions to remove the load can be thrown on the Delta. They are sold by the same ULA. Yes, some subcontractors will fly by. Yes, the native budget will pay extra 50-70 million for the launch on the easy Delta. But it is solvable.

[Mentat]

Well, where are the note-takers of the technological greatness of the United States, where is BlackMacona, who constantly broadcast here that the United States buys engines from us simply because it is economically profitable, and not because they themselves are not able to construct such an engine?

Silence of the Lambs? :)

[Grigory_45]

The United States still does not have its own rocket engine like the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030.

in 2030, the license ends, under which the Americans had the right to issue the RD-180

the firm "Pratt & Whitney" paid for the work, all patents for newly created units and engine parts (RD-180 is a half of the RD-170 with some original units and new automation and software) belong to it, although the development was carried out by NPO Energomash. Also, the United States received the right to manufacture the RD-180 in its own States. But they failed to implement this project, although they really wanted to. They tried, but "did not schmogli".

[Akim]

Quote: Gregory_45

the firm "Pratt & Whitney" paid for the work, all patents for the newly created units and engine parts (RD-180 is a half of the RD-170 with some original units and new automation and software) belong to it, although the development was carried out by NPO Energomash

Have you ever seen these patents? If you really care about their search on the website of the American Patent Office, you will be surprised to find that in patents in black and white the only copyright holder is NPO Energomash

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Akim

the sole copyright holder is NPO Energomash

I admit, here is my mistake

[U-58]

There are show-offs and there are technical realities.
American politicians were the first to take it, although it was clear to any NASA engineer, Boeing, Blue Origin, that they could not create their own motor in 5 years. Even with a set of technological documentation for the RD-180/181 and NK-33 / NJ-26.
For 7 years it is possible to create a fully working prototype with the achievement of the specified characteristics, but without reliability statistics.
Therefore, the experts who prepared this report quite soberly assessed the state of affairs.

[mikstepanenko]

So what's the question then? RD180 has a thrust of 400 tons for two combustion chambers. The Americans flew to the moon on engines with a thrust of 690 tons per camera, why not repeat this feat. There is only one small discrepancy, the strength of materials. There are no materials that can withstand the loads that would give this thrust. And all the technical documentation is naturally "lost". Like all the "lunar soil" it was "lost" in warehouses, and they cannot find it in any way.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: mikstepanenko

There is only one small problem, sopromat. There are no materials that can withstand the load, allowing to give such traction.

It is common practice to scare Internet users like an unknown bloody magic of the ancients, and I studied it. All strength formulas were given there on the cross-sectional area. Accordingly, under any load, there is a sufficiently large cross-sectional area that can withstand it. Specific limitations are not specifically imposed by sopromat.

And in RD-170 and its derivatives, the multi-chamber circuit was used not because fundamentally unstable loads, but because it was not possible to ensure the stability of combustion in a single-chamber circuit.

[mikstepanenko]

It is common practice to scare Internet users like an unknown bloody magic of the ancients, and I studied it.

Based on such an incredible squandering of NASA, which buried a unique rocket and no less unique engine, researchers have always been very keenly interested in the technical characteristics of both. It turned out a lot of interesting things ... Among other things, for example, the fact that the material of the nozzles of the F-1 engines cannot withstand the declared pressure and temperature loads arising in the operating mode of its use. This material would simply shatter to pieces under similar loads. In the late 60s, on this occasion, it was possible to hang pasta on the ears of the whole world, but over the past 40 years, material science has reached such a level that the above information can be easily and easily verified using specialized directories and programs
https://otstoja.net/st2/#more-390

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

(...) The most powerful space rocket engine today is the RD-180, with a thrust of 180 tons. But at the same time he has four combustion chambers

At this point I stopped reading. Immediately counted 3 errors: thrust RD-180 - 390tf. Cameras in his two. The most powerful space rocket engine is RD-170. A person who treats facts so badly can only impress an audience with a double-digit IQ.

[region58]

Quote: mikstepanenko

cannot find him in any way.

Take a trip already: https://kak-eto-sdelano.ru/kak-i-gde-hranitsya-lunnyj-grunt-v-amerike/

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: slipped

and you don’t worry so much, NASA’s budget is 20 times larger than that of Roskosmos, and nothing has been done there, you can count it with your finger, but still they don’t have what we already have.

You just do not lie too much.
The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 260 billion rubles, which is at a nominal rate of 4 billion dollars. NASA's 2019 budget of $ 21 billion. Total, the nominal difference is 5 times.

And if you take into account how it is customary to consider the ruble at PPP, then the difference will be only 2-3 times.

And now compare how many active missions NASA has, and how many Roskosmos, which for 30 years has failed in one mission outside of Earth’s orbit. We tried with Phobos-soil, but the result is known.

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

You just do not lie too much.
The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 260 billion rubles, which is at a nominal rate of 4 billion dollars. NASA's 2019 budget of $ 21 billion. Total, the nominal difference is 5 times.

Oops. The nominal difference is calculated on his knee. And Nitsche, that this military budget is also included in our budget? and?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

And now compare how many active missions NASA has, and how many Roskosmos, which for 30 years has failed in one mission outside of Earth’s orbit. We tried with Phobos-soil, but the result is known.

Do you use the training manual? We just couldn't reach our hands. There were too many orbital projects. And today they reached out - "Spektr-RG" works outside the earth's orbit - in deep space, okay?

[region58]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

And now compare

But the managers of Roscosmos have a bigger salary ...

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: slipped

Oops. The nominal difference is calculated on his knee. And Nitsche, that this military budget is also included in our budget? and?

That is, you no longer deny that you lied about 1 billion of the budget at Roscosmos? Do it right.

Quote: slipped

Do you use the training manual? We just couldn't reach our hands. There were too many orbital projects. And today they reached out - "Spektr-RG" works outside the earth's orbit - in deep space, okay?

For starters, who do you have? Do you represent Roskosmos here?

And tell us, what kind of "orbital projects" have you been implementing so diligently for 30 years that it prevented you from launching at least one probe or rover?

Over the past 30 years, dozens (tens!) Of telescopes, probes, and planet rovers have been launched in the world. What was stopping you?

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

That is, you no longer deny that you lied about 1 billion of the budget at Roscosmos? Do it right.

Shashechki you or go? I’m not a chamber of weights, and NASA’s budget is much larger than ours. Twenty times, and these are not my words, but the one who knows for sure.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

And tell us what kind of "orbital projects" you have been implementing so hard for 30 years,

Raise your head, you will see the ISS with the Russian segment on it, on which the Russian crew is constantly present. The station actually appeared thanks to us. There would be no our technologies at first, there was no station. Generally. Clear?

Quote: Engineer Schukin

what prevented you from launching even one probe or planet rover?

Budget. For what they raised money, it flew. And will fly in the near future. There is technology. I have provided the lists above.

[Engineer Schukin]

Do you need checkers or go? laughing I'm not a chamber of weights and measures, and NASA's budget is much larger than ours. Twenty times, and these are not my words, but the one who knows for sure.

In fact, everyone knows for sure, comrade
In our century, this is all public information. Access to which even you have. You try)
I have already voiced the numbers. Moreover, you should understand that the NASA budget also includes funding for the scientific part of the missions, in general, they also pay astronomers, of whom there is a large and highly paid industry. But Roscosmos is only responsible for the launches, and they do not finance the scientific program.

And Russian astronomy rarely sees even crumbs from the budget. And there is a good interview with an astronomer who explains what happened to the only Spectrum-RG at the moment, with which the only witnesses "time ahead" rush)





I let it go - I forgot: what Rogozin is proud of
https://news.rambler.ru/tech/43607510-pustil-zabyl-chem-gorditsya-rogozin/

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

But Roscosmos is only responsible for the launches, and they do not finance the scientific program.

Roscosmos conducts technological (read scientific) experiments on the ISS, technological experiments on satellites and on Earth, conducts scientific support for military space. Roscosmos is not responsible for basic space research in terms of their development and processing of the received information - for this there are other organizations IKI, FPI or IMBP - they have their own budgets. The business of Roscosmos is to deliver the ordered scientific information to consumers, which it successfully does.

Quote: Engineer Schukin

https://news.rambler.ru/tech/43607510-pustil-zabyl-chem-gorditsya-rogozin/

Illiterate yellow press article as an argument?

[Engineer Schukin]

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Raise your head, you will see the ISS with the Russian segment on it, on which the Russian crew is constantly present. The station actually appeared thanks to us. There would be no our technologies at first, there was no station. Generally. Clear?

For example, it’s not yet clear to me how adequately you evaluate reality and facts)
All that Roscosmos could give, he gave at the very beginning of the project, 98-02. Their basic modules from the freshest and most valuable Soviet reserve. But in general, the ISS was subsequently built (built up) already by NASA, the Japanese, Europeans and Canadians, with their epic manipulators. You read how much and what equipment was delivered to the ISS since 2005, according to years, missions and descriptions. Help you with a link?)

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For example, it’s not yet clear to me how adequately you evaluate reality and facts)

I see it with my own eyes.

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All that Roscosmos could give, he gave at the very beginning of the project, 98-02.

We don't remember the MIR-Shuttle program? About the purchase of our space technologies by the Americans too? About the fact that in the early 90s it was the decisions of the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission that saved the shuttles from the termination of flights and, in general, the entire American manned program at that time? Ale, garage - the ISS orbit is still raised only from the Russian segment, and the Soyuz MS spacecraft is the station's official "rescue ship". It was the decision to increase the number of TGK and TPK produced for servicing the station and delivering cosmonauts and astronauts after the death of Colombia that led to delays in the construction of the ISS RS in conditions of a meager budget for the program, and money for the flight of tourists and astronauts did not decide anything in this direction.

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Their basic modules from the freshest and most valuable Soviet reserve.

From the "Soviet" it touched the empty building of "Zvezda" and the empty building of "Rassvet" there. Hulls FGB-1 and FGB-2 were made in the mid-90s. As well as the "Search" and "Pirs" buildings.

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But in general, the ISS was subsequently built (built up) already by NASA, the Japanese, Europeans and Canadians, with their epic manipulators.

Yes, they built their own ISS AS. A DUMS, similar to the Canadian one, was developed for Buran. For the ISS, it was not needed, since our ships dock, not dock. The European manipulator ERA will be installed on the MLM-U "Nauka" hull to work with the Russian lock chamber (delivered to the ISS) and the scientific platform.

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You read how much and what equipment was delivered to the ISS since 2005, according to years, missions and descriptions. Help you with a link?)

Come on, and I will compare with my data. For example, in the current expedition we have 54 space experiments on various topics underway.

[Engineer Schukin]

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Budget. For what they raised money, it flew. And will fly in the near future. There is technology. I have provided the lists above.

Here is such a clean, but blind optimism I can accept from you. The choice of faith, after all))

But would you not want to explain where exactly in Roscosmos in 2020 there are technologies?
Technology comes from experience.
For example, NASA has been continuously using rovers on Mars for 15 years (these are 5 devices), they have enormous practical experience in creating the device itself and its operation on another planet in long-term missions. They have the latest actual technologies in this direction.

And what technologies can Roskosmos have if it has been able to launch only 30 telescopes in 2 years, and in Spectrum-RG with a very share in the scientific equipment of the observatory? And do not forget that this is an international project, where Germany has the main telescope (EROSITA), and for example the Russian side is entitled to only 50% of the data collected by the German telescope. Here is such a "Russian telescope"

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Here is such a clean, but blind optimism I can accept from you. The choice of faith, after all))

Have you seen the list? follow it and dress it up.

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But would you not want to explain where exactly in Roscosmos in 2020 there are technologies? Technology comes from experience.

What bothers you? Roskosmos includes a large number of enterprises. Give lists or find yourself? And experience ... he is the son of difficult mistakes. Errors once committed, we try to avoid in the future. As for technology - well, for example, how many USSR did you have devices in L2? But we already have it and it works perfectly. Were there satellites in the USSR with a 15-year active life? except for the WORLD, which was constantly repaired no, but Russia has such satellites - the same CESAT worked for 17 years. Etc. etc.

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For example, NASA has been continuously using rovers on Mars for 15 years (these are 5 devices)

Frozen Americans. On Lubojstvo is our DAN neutron detector. To remind about the trials of the Soviet Mars rover in the American desert, when the JPL employees followed him and recorded everything?

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they have tremendous practical experience in creating the apparatus itself and its operation on another planet in long-term missions. They have the latest actual technologies in this direction.

And in our country only the Soviet Lunokhod-1 drove 4 meters on the Moon in 36 months. And we do not live in a spherical vacuum all these technologies are.

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And what kind of technology can Roskosmos have if it has been able to launch only 30 telescopes in 2 years, and in Spectrum-RG it is very much share in the scientific equipment of the observatory.

I'm skating ..... "equity participation", well, well ... this is a joint project, like the same BepiColombo or many other missions in other countries. By the way, our instruments are also on the flight to Mercury.

"Only two telescopes" - incorrect, there was a solar telescope "Coronas-Photon":

there was 25% of the working time on the joint telescope "Integral", which we launched:

This is before the "Spectrum-R".

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And do not forget that this is an international project, where Germany has the main telescope (EROSITA), and for example the Russian side is entitled to only 50% of the data collected by the German telescope. Here is such a "Russian telescope"

But this is a lie, about the "main" telescope - there are TWO main instruments. Russian and German. And they complement each other, as they work in different energy ranges. And the resulting maps will be used in space navigation when flying in deep space.

[Engineer Schukin]

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Illiterate yellow press article as an argument?

The article consists of statements by persons who are directly related to the Spectrum-RG and astronomy in general. For me, these statements have more weight than the user Slipped, you will forgive.

And most importantly, why is the article illiterate if you yourself admit that Roscosmos should not help astronomers conduct the scientific mission of the telescope. And the claim to Roscosmos there is only indirect, on the example of how domestic astronomy is mendicant, and where Roscosmos is eating like this:

The construction of one multi-object spectrometer for the BTA telescope, which is necessary for working under the AWG program, will cost 10 million rubles. Roscosmos usually spends about this amount on Dmitry Rogozin’s flight to Vostochny Cosmodrome, renting his own departmental aircraft for him.

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The article consists of statements by persons who are directly related to the Spectrum-RG and astronomy in general. For me, these statements have more weight than the user Slipped, you will forgive.

Forgive me, you are another dunno.

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And most importantly, why is the article illiterate if you yourself admit that Roscosmos should not help astronomers conduct the scientific mission of the telescope.

Roscosmos launched, brought to a point and controls the telescope using its ground-based systems, spending ORKK funds on this. IKI RAS is responsible for science on a telescope. Is it clear to you?

Roskosmos has many of its programs for the production of rocket and space technology, including the military. Are you aware that the enterprises included in Roskosmos are making "Yars" and testing "Sarmat"?

[Engineer Schukin]

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Come on, and I will compare with my data. For example, in the current expedition we have 54 space experiments on various topics underway.

Some strange conversation we have comes out.
I’m telling you about by whom and from what equipment the ISS was built, and you tell me about scientific experiments conducted in missions. Moreover, where the scientists on the ISS are just foreigners, and from us mostly only technical specialists, flight engineers ...

So how do you still wonder who and what the ISS is built from?))

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Some strange conversation we have comes out.
I’m telling you about by whom and from what equipment the ISS was built, and you tell me about scientific experiments conducted in missions.

So the ISS does not exist by itself in order to be. This is an international scientific instrument. Accordingly, it conducts scientific experiments. Moreover, our experiments intersect with the US and vice versa, and all this is clearly distributed.

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Moreover, where the scientists on the ISS are just foreigners, and from us mostly only technical specialists, flight engineers ...

Again this is a funny song. Let's take the IKARUS space experiment - Study of the migration of animals and birds on the planet Earth, recently our cosmonauts installed its antennas on the outer surface of the station. It is these, as you say, "aircraft engineers" who are the operators of this experiment.

https://www.vesvks.ru/public/wysiwyg/files/BKC-3(96)2018-for-WEB-94-99.pdf

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So how do you still wonder who and what the ISS is built from?))

Do you need specific plants to name and brand of aluminum alloy?

[Engineer Schukin]

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"Coronas-Foton"

Yes, I forgot it. Which by the way is not difficult, given its fiasco.

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there was 25% of the working time on the joint telescope "Integral", which we launched:

25% of the time is not accidentally paying for the telescope launch
Specify what Roscosmos did there.

In total, for 30 years, Roscosmos was able from scientific missions:
Spektr-RG - with Germany and the USA
Radistron - I do not remember the nuances
Coronas-Photon - who had not worked for a year, broke down.
Integral - an international project where manufacturers are Italians and the incomprehensible role of Roscosmos

What else?

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Specify what Roscosmos did there.

Вот почитайте - http://www.ras.ru/news/shownews.aspx?id=f2f43a79-7d72-4eb7-a456-52c4d2a34f1d

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In total, for 30 years, Roscosmos was able from scientific missions:

It is not true, scientific missions are ongoing, both to the ISS and to various spacecraft. For example, we can name the Plasma-F mission or the Lomonosov scientific satellite. And school MCA monitors space weather.

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Spektr-RG - with Germany and the USA

Exactly - a joint international mission. International missions - they bring together.

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Radistron - I do not remember the nuances

I see. You even distort the name. Radioastron is an ultra-wide baseline interferometer project. The spacecraft is called "Spectrum-R".

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Coronas-Photon - who had not worked for a year, broke down.

Unfortunately yes. It was done in a hurry and with a very meager budget then. But he sent many beautiful photos of the Sun. Its successor, the Arka space solar observatory, is in our plans.

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Integral - an international project where manufacturers are Italians and the incomprehensible role of Roscosmos

I gave the link above.

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What else?

A lot of things. Search - google for help.

[Engineer Schukin]

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Roscosmos launched, brought to a point and controls the telescope using its ground-based systems, spending ORKK funds on this. IKI RAS is responsible for science on a telescope. Is it clear to you?

Are you generally healthy there, the wooden mouthpiece of Roscosmos?))
So this is what the article is all about, and Roscosmos only mentions in a specific context where astronomers have bones, and your boss Rogozin and his entourage fly on charters.
Are you there in Roscosmos, by the way, who do you serve in the retinue or simpler? ;)

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Are you generally healthy there, the wooden mouthpiece of Roscosmos?))

And whose shout are you there? ruins or shkolota bulk?

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Are you there in Roscosmos, by the way, who do you serve in the retinue or simpler? ;)

In short, everything is clear to me with you "engineer Shchukin". Brains zasr..ny libers media head over heels. Tired and I went to sleep. Adieu.

[Engineer Schukin]

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In short, everything is clear to me with you "engineer Shchukin". Brains zasr..ny libers media head over heels. I'm tired and I went to sleep. Adieu.

Yes, this time you did not have a session "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" before the flock. I wanted, as usual, with unctuous speeches about Roscosmos affairs, but stumbled over the facts) But be healthy, go to bed)

[Engineer Schukin]

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Вот почитайте - http://www.ras.ru/news/shownews.aspx?id=f2f43a79-7d72-4eb7-a456-52c4d2a34f1d

you watch and yourself did not read
it does not say what exactly Roscosmos participated in the project

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It is not true, scientific missions are ongoing, both to the ISS and to various spacecraft. For example, we can name the Plasma-F mission or the Lomonosov scientific satellite. And school MCA monitors space weather.

you just do not pretend to be a hose, leave it to the cheers, they love such streamlined phrases.

when I ask about scientific missions, of course we are talking about large interplanetary missions with probes and planet rovers. and you give me propaganda answers where you give small things to a full-fledged level.

where are missions such as Solar Orbital, New Horziont, Insight, Rosetta, Osiris Rex, etc., where is at least one planet rover in the end? Dozens of missions in recent years, I hope you at least roughly know what there are.
in response, I have puffed-up cheeks of importance, that "everything will be! just my hands did not reach"
do you even get paid in Roskosmos for this media activity here, where you lie to the patriots that all is well?

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propaganda answers, where you give small things for a full level.

No, well, how about:

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On Lyubstvo is our neutron detector DAN

It’s clear that without Dynamic Albedo of Neutrons (DAN) it wasn’t worth flying to Mars ... Sarcasm if that ...
I do not detract from the achievements of our cosmonautics, but I don’t even have to say that everything is good ... there are problems above the roof ... they are raking, of course, slowly ...