Germany without nuclear power: clean and impoverished


Grafenrainfeld NPP in Germany


Berlin's firm intention to completely abandon the generation of electricity at nuclear power plants by 2023, of course, is very commendable from the point of view of environmental activists and the rest of the public, for whom the mere thought of operating nuclear reactors in the country causes horror and panic. But only in the context of the real economy, this initiative does not look so attractive. Rather, quite the opposite ...

In fact, the first heated discussions about the permissibility of using nuclear power plants in the energy sector began in Germany as early as the 70s of the last century, quite expectedly sharply escalating after the accident in Chernobyl in 1986. Ultimately, after the government headed by Gerhard Schroeder came to power, in which the positions of the "greens" were extremely strong, a corresponding law was passed envisaging a complete rejection of nuclear energy by 2022. Angela Merkel, who, we must give her her due, looks quite realistic at most economic issues, tried if not to refuse this declaration, then at least extend the life of the nuclear plants. But then it exploded already in Fukushima ...

Nowadays, the almost absolute triumph in Europe of the ideas of Greta Tunberg, the question of whether or not to be "terrible and dangerous" nuclear power plants, is not worth it in principle. But at the full height there are many other problems, reflections on which environmental jealousy who look at the world through pink-green glasses usually do not bother. Close the plant is a real thing. But ... Firstly, electricity will still have to be extracted - in one way or another. The effectiveness of its “renewable sources”, with which all the same adherents of Greta are so fond, is, to put it mildly, greatly exaggerated. Therefore, it will be necessary to return to the good old thermal energy. Well, the Germans are unlikely to burn coal - otherwise the "green" will again make a complaint. Rather, the new TPPs will run on “blue fuel” - but the whole problem is that certain forces pose obstacles to the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project. And these stations still need to be built.

The amount of money that Berlin will have to fork out for converting power generation to nuclear-free rails cannot be compared with the absolutely enormous costs that are required for dismantling the suddenly become unnecessary nuclear power plants and the disposal of nuclear fuel. The construction of a nuclear power plant in Mülheim-Kerlich took a decade, but the work aimed at wiping it off the face of the earth, which began in 2004, threatens to drag on for a quarter of a century at least. At RWE, which owns the nuclear power plant, they say that at least 1700 tons of radioactive materials will have to be removed and buried. According to the highest safety standards in force in the European Union, repositories for spent fuel must be designed for a million years of storage! And this is only one nuclear power plant, and in Germany there are only 8 of them operating (one with two reactors).

If initially in Berlin they expected to manage the sum of 22 billion euros for covering and demolishing nuclear power plants and a little less, 17 billion, for solving the problem of radioactive waste, then recent studies by economists in this field indicate that the total "estimate" on this issue will inevitably grow up to 50-70 billion euros. And this is at least. For the German economy, which is already far from in good shape, this could be a crushing blow. Last year, the country's GDP growth showed a result, the worst in the last 6 years - only 0,6%. At the end of last year, the Bundesbank spoke extremely pessimistically about the country's further economic prospects, calling just one of the main reasons for the decline in industrial production and inflation growth

an increase in the price of electricity associated with government measures aimed at implementing environmental improvement programs.

Berlin’s sometimes striving for reasonable limits to the utmost "greening" at any cost can cost not only Germany alone. After all, it is not a secret for anyone that it is precisely today that it is the economic locomotive of the entire European Union.

This is especially true now, after leaving the UK organization. In the event of serious problems and systemic failures in the industrial, energy, and financial sectors of the German economy, the whole Old World will not be enough. Organizations such as the IMF and the World Bank are already scaring the European Union with recession, stagnation, and widespread crisis looming on it.

Who knows, whether the multibillion-dollar costs of closing down German nuclear power plants will not be the very last straw that will cause all these disasters that Europe will receive in reality, trying to avoid problems largely contrived by enthusiastic environmental activists. Germany without nuclear power plants, coal and blocked gas projects can really turn from an EU economic locomotive into an environmentally friendly and economically impoverished country with millions of migrants who are frankly unwilling to work for the good of the German economy.
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  1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 08: 08 New
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    forward to the torch, caves and skins
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 08: 12 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      forward to the torch, caves and skins

      Well, why ... do you just buy Merkansky liquefied gas ..
      1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 08: 40 New
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        In no case, the blessed greta against everything that is extracted from the bowels of the earth, there are also skins in question, and you speak for gas
        1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 10: 42 New
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          Quote: Barmaleyka
          by no means blissful greta against everything that is mined from the bowels

          The Gretta Tunberg project is well-designed misinformation and nothing more, considering that having launched this project, many countries will begin to close nuclear power plants, steelmaking and chemical plants, thereby allowing monopolists to dominate the world. (monopolists are known). Germany was led, but the United States is not only closing, but also building new ones, although they have cheap shale gas and are now a competitor to nuclear power, but 20% still give nuclear power plants, the same in Russia, Britain and Ukraine, in France it is 76%. In Japan, 43 reactors are shut down, but not dismantled, and can start working at any time. Anyone who enters the 22nd century with atomic energy will be on a horse, who doesn’t enter will sit with a candle.
          1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 14: 48 New
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            I believe that in a few years Gretta Tunmberg will surely be found dead in Europe - either in her own house, or somewhere in a hanged forest. Sure! She can’t avoid it!
            And for the pissed off killers it will not matter that she is a female. They will find her and will surely take revenge on her, and not only her!
            Gretta Tunberg in impoverished Europe will end his life in fear, for this is not forgiven.
            1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 15: 05 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              I believe that in a few years Gretta Tunmberg will surely be found dead in Europe

              Yes, everything will be fine, just adult stupid uncles used a sick child for their purposes. God enlighten these uncles, and give health to the child.
              1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 15: 13 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                Yes, everything will be fine, just adult stupid uncles used a sick child for their purposes. God enlighten these uncles, and give health to the child.

                This excuse for an adult in a few years, Gretta Tunberg will not pass! And she herself will not stop in this regard, since she has already earned a fortune on the promotion of her name in this business, the size of which will allow her to personally not work until she is old - and in any case in the same Europe.
                Moreover, if they kill her, it is possible that they will even do their own, as the British special services did - namely, how Berezovsky was hanged in London on his own scarf in the bathroom of his own house.
                Germany without nuclear power: clean and impoverished

                So the murderers will not have any sentiments regarding Gretta Tunberg. This is pragmatism in life.
                1. Vol4ara 15 February 2020 15: 40 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Yes, everything will be fine, just adult stupid uncles used a sick child for their purposes. God enlighten these uncles, and give health to the child.

                  This excuse for an adult in a few years, Gretta Tunberg will not pass! And she herself will not stop in this regard, since she has already earned a fortune on the promotion of her name in this business, the size of which will allow her to personally not work until she is old - and in any case in the same Europe.
                  Moreover, if they kill her, it is possible that they will even do their own, as the British special services did - namely, how Berezovsky was hanged in London on his own scarf in the bathroom of his own house.

                  Is there evidence regarding Berezovsky?
                  1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 15: 44 New
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                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    Is there evidence regarding Berezovsky?

                    Do you still doubt it?
                    1. Vol4ara 15 February 2020 15: 51 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Quote: Vol4ara
                      Is there evidence regarding Berezovsky?

                      Do you still doubt it?

                      Yes, I doubt, provide the facts if you have them. If they are not, then this is empty talk
                      1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 16: 12 New
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                        This is a long song! You yourself had to keep track of all the materials of the English investigation at one time and the answers of the Russian Federation on this case! Everything was on the Internet. And now I will not look for them and will not spend my personal time on this. You are interested - you are looking for, if, over the past years, the Internet will give you something about this! But something will surely give out. Only queries need to be made right.
                      2. Vol4ara 16 February 2020 09: 21 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        This is a long song! You yourself had to keep track of all the materials of the English investigation at one time and the answers of the Russian Federation on this case! Everything was on the Internet. And now I will not look for them and will not spend my personal time on this. You are interested - you are looking for, if, over the past years, the Internet will give you something about this! But something will surely give out. Only queries need to be made right.

                        Is there internet? Should it be "yaplakal" or "pickaboo"? Well, and in the end, who killed him, Margater leaked personally?
                        If you provide the information, then you provide the facts, it doesn’t attract me to look for something because you wrote something, I just won’t take your information seriously, like all thinking people, so it turns out that this is empty talk ...
                      3. Tatyana 16 February 2020 16: 42 New
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                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        Is there internet? Should it be "yaplakal" or "pickaboo"? Well, and in the end, who killed him, Margater personally? If you provide the information then you provide the facts, I should not look for something because you wrote something, I just won’t take your information seriously, like everyone who thinks people, it turns out that this is empty talk ...

                        That's just you do not need to troll me!
                        If you need bare facts, then ask them from the British special services themselves!
                        Many official authorities of the Russian Federation received from them objectively wealthy and investigative evidence naked facts on Berezovsky, Skripalyam ?! Britain still hides everything.
                        So this is not for me, but for them. Everything else is versions. Which one to cook is everyone’s business separately.
                        And here information from various mass media is included in the case.
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        I’m not looking for something because you wrote something, I just won’t take your information seriously,
                        And nobody forces you to read! As they say: do not like it - do not read! Nobody will work here for you. So look for everything yourself, all yourself!
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        Is there internet? Should it be "yaplakal" or "pickaboo"?
                        Do not know how to work with the Internet? I'm sorry!
            2. Octopus 16 February 2020 08: 23 New
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              Germany without nuclear power: clean and impoverished

              Stop bliss.

              Gretochka is not a commander, and not even a drummer, but the drum itself. No one has any questions for her.

              As for the German nuclear power plants, Herr Schroeder closed them for a minute. The same Schroeder, who is the presovdir of Rosneft. There really are questions for this gentleman, and personally, I would really like him to have time to ask them again in this world.

              But with Schroeder, there is no need to dramatize. The green agenda is the usual "one-way" vote. This happens all the time: a certain not very large, but well-knit and disciplined category of people votes for one idea, no matter who expresses it, respectively, all politicians are forced to indulge this idea if they do not want to guarantee to give the support of this group to the opponent in the elections. Even when the idea is crazy and criminal. A classic example is Prohibition in the United States.

              The same dry law shows: in this situation, in addition to the original fanatics, a serious support group quickly appears, which is beneficial for this situation. In the case of Prohibition, it was the mafia and corrupt mafia officials and politicians. In the case of renewable energy, this is really a big business on this renewable energy, with high taxes and the number of employees. Although the idea as a whole is still harmful for society, its supporters are united and the opponents are divided.

              If the party is crowded small
              Surrender, enemy! Freeze and lie down!
              The party is a million-fingered hand,
              Clenched into one smashing fist!
              1. Liam 16 February 2020 11: 40 New
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                Quote: Octopus
                Prohibition in the USA.

                The same dry law shows: in this situation, in addition to the original fanatics, a serious support group quickly appears, which is beneficial for this situation. In the case of Prohibition, it was the mafia and corrupt mafia officials and politicians.

                Interesting, very curious to know what influence the mafia had on politicians in the United States in 1919, which at that time was an unorganized gang of street racketeers taking a share from pizzerias and other fruit sellers of Sicilian compatriots. Learn the history of the American mafia)
                Prohibition lobbyists included such internationally renowned Sicilian criminal communities as Woman's Christian Temperance Union, Anti-Saloon League, American Temperance Society, la Daughters of Temperance, Prohibition Party, Scientific Temperance Federation, New York Society for the Suppression of Vice.
                1. Octopus 16 February 2020 13: 06 New
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                  How interesting. It is very curious to find out what influence the mafia had on politicians in the USA in 1919.

                  More carefully, please.
                  Quote: Octopus
                  The same dry law shows: in such a situation, in addition to the original fanatics, a serious support group quickly emergeswhich benefits from this position.

                  The mafia had little to do with the beginning of Prohibition. But the story of its cancellation is already quite.
                  1. Liam 16 February 2020 13: 39 New
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    The mafia had little to do with the beginning of Prohibition

                    Generally no.
                    Quote: Octopus
                    But the history of its cancellation is already quite

                    Even less. Why would they cut a chicken laying golden eggs. The mafia simply took advantage of the consequences of implementing this law. As for example, it now earns billions from the drug trade. But you won’t claim that the mafia sponsored the appearance of an article in the Criminal Code for drug trafficking.
                    Prohibition was introduced by law at the level of the Constitutional Amendment, and such heights are unattainable for the American Mafia. They were all from Sicily, and not from St. Petersburg)
                    Prohibition lobbyists in the United States were such comrades as John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Henry Joy. Based on their mercantile considerations, they say fathers will drink less, be less absent from work, work better, and save money will be spent buying more goods produced by factories of the aforementioned comrades. But it turned out the opposite.it's not me, son, I’ll drink less, you’ll eat less ... . Plus, huge amounts of money passed by state budgets of all levels, a surge of crime, etc. Therefore, those who inspired the introduction of the law, they also lobbied for its repeal
                  2. Octopus 16 February 2020 15: 12 New
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                    Quote: Liam
                    Prohibition lobbyists in the United States were such comrades as John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford

                    Quote: Liam
                    Prohibition lobbyists included such internationally renowned Sicilian criminal communities as Woman's Christian Temperance Union, Anti-Saloon League, American Temperance Society, la Daughters of Temperance, Prohibition Party, Scientific Temperance Federation, New York Society for the Suppression of Vice.

                    First, the warriors of good, then the aces integrated themselves with their rationality, and then it came down to the courage of desperate guys.
                    Quote: Liam
                    Therefore, those who inspired the introduction of the law, they also lobbied for its repeal

                    I do not believe that people are becoming smarter. I am inclined to believe that other characters, like Kennedy Sr., who were interested in this market, but wanted a more civilized level of risk, formed a coalition and broke through legalization. Using, of course, the rational arguments listed by you and the named people as situational allies.
                    Quote: Liam
                    But you will not argue that the mafia sponsored the appearance in the Criminal Code of an article for drug trafficking.

                    It is rare when a drug mafia directly makes laws. Basically, the war of drugs was pierced by the holy scum. But it remains - exclusively in the interests of the mafia and the fighters with it. These are the same interests. And in the case you yourself know which country - these are the same people.
                  3. Liam 16 February 2020 15: 51 New
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                    Warriors of good first

                    Warriors of goodness needed money and political influence to break through the amendment in Congress. They received it from the above-mentioned comrades. The interests of the moralists and the burnt materialists coincided.
                    Quote: Octopus
                    I do not believe

                    Faith is a metaphysical phenomenon. And here are the facts.
                    Rockefeller and Joy stop funding the Anti-Saloon League and join the Association Against the Prohibition Emendament (David J. Stewart, Anti-Saloon League Quitters!)
                    And they publicly admitted that they were mistaken in 1919, especially Joy (Jon Roper, The Contours of American Politics: An Introduction, Wiley, 2002)
                  4. Octopus 16 February 2020 15: 55 New
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                    And here are the facts.

                    OK, accepted this clarification. Although someone was useful to someone there, the question is complex.
                  5. Liam 16 February 2020 16: 07 New
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                    hi
                    By the way, Cosa Nostra in America became an organized and influential structure (a la Godfather) from disparate small-town gangs with political coverings precisely after the prohibition was abolished. In 34-35, Lucky Luciano. And the transition from gambling in the 60-70s. of games, prostitution and racketeering to the drug trade as the main business, was the beginning of the end. Neither police nor judges nor politicians could look through the fingers at drugs
  • NF68 15 February 2020 15: 36 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    I believe that in a few years Gretta Tunmberg will surely be found dead in Europe - either in her own house, or somewhere in a hanged forest. Sure! She can’t avoid it!


    Why so rude? Somewhere in the madhouse for her a separate ward must be found.
    1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 15: 51 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Somewhere in the madhouse for her a separate ward must be found.

      Who knows a lot about their own, they don’t keep their own alive.
      At the same time, those who now untwisted it, and will make a SACRED sacrifice from it!
      1. NF68 15 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: NF68
        Somewhere in the madhouse for her a separate ward must be found.

        Who knows a lot about their own, they don’t keep their own alive.
        At the same time, those who now untwisted it, and will make a SACRED sacrifice from it!


        They will declare her a fool, but what demand is a fool?
        1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 15: 58 New
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          They will declare her a fool, but what demand is a fool?

          In the "green" there are obvious elements of a religious sect. And it will also be more profitable for the sectarians to be dead, rather than a living crazy woman.
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            Quote: NF68
            They will declare her a fool, but what demand is a fool?

            In the "green" there are obvious elements of a religious sect. To sectarians, it will be more profitable for the dead than for the living mad woman.


            In Europe, such idiots are used to enduring.
            1. Tatyana 15 February 2020 16: 01 New
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              In Europe, such idiots are used to enduring.

              Do not warrant for everyone in Europe! And this has not yet come to a devastating economic crisis!
  • antivirus 15 February 2020 11: 18 New
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    in addition to LNG, there is a way - to buy Luka, a U-turn is beneficial for many in Belarus and instead of Lithuania and the Outskirts to drive electric power to Germany from the Grodno NPP
    1. Octopus 16 February 2020 08: 27 New
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      besides LNG there is a way

      Everything is easier there. The German greens are much more insane / deceitful people. Germany free of nuclear power plants is furnished with these nuclear power plants from all sides. That is, we assume that the German nuclear power plant is dangerous, we are closing it, and the Czech one is safe, we are leaving (the Czechs haven’t bought Czechs for this green bullshit yet, NJA).
      1. Liam 16 February 2020 14: 46 New
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        If your neighbor smokes, this is not a reason to smoke yourself. And the idea that in case of problems a nuclear power plant located in your garden and a nuclear power plant located 500 km equally hazardous is very original
        1. Octopus 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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          And the idea that in case of problems of nuclear power plants located in your garden and nuclear power plants located 500 km equally dangerous is very original

          You will not argue, I hope that, punching a decision on nuclear power plants, the German greens were interested in the risks and potential harm of one or another way of energy development? That this was not a purely religious matter?
          1. Liam 16 February 2020 15: 39 New
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            This is a purely economic issue. Nuclear energy is the most expensive right now at times. And in the future it will be orders of magnitude
            1. Octopus 16 February 2020 15: 46 New
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              Nuclear energy is the most expensive right now at times

              Do you know that the issue of the cost of nuclear power plants is to a large extent a matter of accounting for the cost of a million years of spent nuclear fuel storage? And what about the construction of new stations and the closure of existing ones - are two different issues?
              1. Liam 16 February 2020 18: 07 New
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                two different questions?

                Will Martians pay for the Germans to close new nuclear plants in N years? This is not considering that the "traditional" energy, and especially nuclear, receive subsidies many times more than renewable.
                The future is definitely for renewable and smart people to invest in them. That would be so brave not to catch up and spend another hundreds of billions to close the plant.
                Let me remind you that the cost of building only 1 nuclear power plant in Turkey is 30 yards. Closing will build about the same. Operation will also pull a dozen others. For damage in the event of an accident, contact the Japanese for numbers. And almost all of this money is state subsidies. Not one private a company in the world is not capable of building for itself, nor closing, nor even eliminating damage in the event of an accident.
                The costs of renewable ones are steadily decreasing and efficiency is increasing.
                1. Octopus 16 February 2020 20: 22 New
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                  Somewhere I already saw these questions.
                  Quote: Liam
                  in N years will the Martians pay for the Germans?

                  The dollar today is more expensive than the dollar the day after tomorrow.
                  Quote: Liam
                  "traditional" energy, and especially nuclear, receive subsidies many times more than renewable.

                  This is one of Green's favorite theses. When you start to figure it out, it turns out that under the subsidies we mean some Gazprom pipes and the construction of power plants in Africa and China. This has nothing to do with the cost of electricity in old nuclear power plants.
                  Quote: Liam
                  The future is clearly renewable

                  The fact that victory will be ours does not make every single decision right.
                  Quote: Liam
                  Let me remind you that the cost of only building 1 nuclear power plant in Turkey is 30 yards

                  I am not going to discuss new construction. How much can be repeated. Especially Akkuyu. It is built by Russian pensioners, the more expensive the better. Russians do not need money.

                  The Germans are not talking about new construction.
                  Quote: Liam
                  Operation will also pull a dozen others.

                  What do you think? Selling price of Dukovany NPP? Cost of a kilowatt in Germany and the Czech Republic?
                  Quote: Liam
                  The costs of renewable ones are steadily decreasing and efficiency is increasing.

                  Yes. Therefore, in the United States, coal and even gas stations are closed in some places - they cannot withstand the economy.

                  But where is Schroeder and where is the economy? Is he about cancellation of subsidies signed the paper? Or is it about ban?
                  Quote: Liam
                  No private company in the world is capable of building or closing for its own

                  Not a single private company (and not a single state) can guarantee storage of spent nuclear fuel for a million years, as is now proposed. But initially, the storage of spent nuclear fuel cost zero. A military man had already paid for him in those good old days, when the main problem of the bourgeoisie was not to turn into radioactive waste themselves.
                  1. Liam 16 February 2020 22: 03 New
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    The Germans are not talking about new construction

                    Quote: Octopus
                    What do you think?

                    I didn’t consider it. The average age of German (and world) NPPs is 30/40 years. Concrete cracks, pipes rust, cables rot, etc., etc. Replacing and repairing all this stuff is billions and billions a year. Moreover, all this technology 40 / 50 years ago, the replacement of which is dangerous because firewood can be broken. And you have to keep afloat these obsolete pieces by piece production, which goes into billions again. And every year all this economy is aging more and more and requires large amounts that have long been outweigh the ephemeral cheapness. In addition, e / energy It is sold on the exchanges at the same price for everyone. So the buns from cheapness go to shareholders and not to consumers who pay their entire taxes for their taxes and their health. Therefore, the sooner they close, the better
                  2. Octopus 16 February 2020 22: 37 New
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                    Quote: Liam
                    I did not consider.

                    Considered green.
                    Quote: Liam
                    Concrete cracks, pipes rust, cables rot, etc., etc.

                    Yes, maintenance is becoming more expensive. And what does Schroeder have to do with it?
                    Quote: Liam
                    In addition, e / energy is sold on exchanges at the same price for everyone.

                    You seem to be underestimating something. You combine the invisible hand of the market and government policy to limit supply.
                    Quote: Liam
                    So buns from cheapness go to shareholders and not to consumers who pay their entire taxes for their taxes and their health.

                    Well, that’s the struggle with capitalism. I have always said that green is one of the mutations of people of goodwill.

                    As for the health of consumers - have you been told about the environmental (and even warmly) harm from replacing nuclear power plants with coal generation?
                  3. Liam 16 February 2020 22: 52 New
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                    Great, here the fight against capitalism has gone

                    Even as I went.
                    contrary to popular belief, the cost of electricity from new nuclear power plants is not at all cheap, if not expensive. In particular, the UK government guarantees to buy electricity from Hinkley Point C at a price of 92,5 pounds per MWh, which is about two times higher than the current wholesale prices of the energy market. As can be seen from the figure (lower value), the market price of electricity in the wholesale market is now about 40 pounds per MWh.

                    Moreover, the average cost of guaranteed redemption of electricity from nuclear power plants is higher than the same average subsidized cost of electricity from some renewable sources
                    .
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                    substitution of nuclear power plants by coal generation?

                    Quote: Octopus
                    They reported to you

                    Over the next 19 years, Germany, one of the world's largest coal consumers, will close 84 of its coal-fired power plants to meet international climate change commitments, a government commission said January 26, 2019.

                    This news is a significant shift for Europe’s largest country, which has turned from a long-term leader in CO2 reduction in recent years into an outsider. The country's coal plants account for 40% of the electricity produced, which in recent years is less than in the era of coal dominance in electricity production.




                    “This is a historic achievement,” said Ronald Pofalla, chairman of the 28-member government commission, at a press conference in Berlin, ““ By 2038, there will be no more coal-fired power plants in Germany. ”
                  4. Octopus 16 February 2020 23: 05 New
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                    I am not going to discuss new construction. How much can be repeated.

                    Quote: Liam
                    contrary to popular belief, the cost of electricity from new nuclear power plants is not at all cheap

                    It seems that someone likes to bang his head against the wall.
                    Czech and German rates looked, no?
                    Quote: Liam
                    Fulfillment of international obligations to combat climate change,

                    And what does the next left nonsense have to do with the economic efficiency of nuclear power plants?
                    Quote: Liam
                    By 2038, Germany will no longer have coal-fired power plants

                    A nuclear power plant - in the 23rd. RES with its KOH variable will not replace them, so RES will be replaced by RES complete with TPP. And the left-green mrazots will howl at the same time that thermal generation (which is being built for the reservation of renewable energy sources) receives state subsidies and more expensive than renewables.

                    I emphasize that I am for renewable energy wherever she wins in a fair fight. That is, I am for renewable energy sources in Texas, where they do not support it, but it already gives the EMNIP, a quarter of the generation, and against renewable energy sources in Germany, where it is another church tax, to the green-pre-warming church. I emphasize that the alternative green-warmist church requires its own taxes. In both cases, unlike the real church tax, it is impossible to refuse.
                  5. Liam 16 February 2020 23: 34 New
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    It seems that someone likes to bang his head against the wall.

                    Quote: Octopus
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                    I'm not going to discuss new construction

                    You don’t need to be seven spans in your forehead to understand that the cost of production at old nuclear plants that burst at the seams and whose power units spend more time on repairs than working is much higher than on new ones and subsidies are poured more to support them.
                    Quote: Octopus
                    I emphasize that I am for renewable energy wherever she wins in a fair fight

                    She wins in a fair fight. She receives subsidies much less than other types of energy. And does not poison people. These things are obvious to everyone except the press service of Rosatom)
                  6. Octopus 16 February 2020 23: 53 New
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                    You do not need to be seven spans in your forehead to understand that the cost of production at old nuclear power plants

                    Exactly what is not needed. The high cost of nuclear power plants is the capex for NPPs + the capex for storage systems for spent nuclear fuel. If these costs have already been incurred, the assessment of the decision is different.
                    Quote: Liam
                    subsidies are poured there more

                    Have you already learned about the amount of subsidies for the mentioned Dukovany?
                    Quote: Liam
                    She wins in a fair fight.

                    Ultimately, after the government headed by Gerhard Schroeder came to power, in which the positions of the "greens" were extremely strong, a corresponding law was passed envisaging a complete rejection of nuclear energy by 2022.

                    I have different ideas about a fair fight.
                    Quote: Liam
                    These things are obvious to everyone.

                    Rainer Bruderle. Don't remember this cute story from 2011?
  • Sergey Olegovich 15 February 2020 08: 43 New
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    forward to the torch, caves and skins

    And stone tools. Welcome to the primitive communal system laughing
    1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 08: 49 New
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      the only question is what will such a society do with the greens?
      1. Sergey Olegovich 15 February 2020 08: 51 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        the only question is what will such a society do with the greens?

        Eat for dinner? wassat
        1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 09: 26 New
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          and if it is contagious?
          1. Gene84 15 February 2020 13: 27 New
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            and if it is contagious?

            We will not eat greens ... laughing
        2. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 15: 16 New
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          Eat for dinner?

          The larva will be lit from a fire in a cave.
      2. Maki Avellevich 15 February 2020 09: 10 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        the only question is what will such a society do with the greens?

        Well, like that, eat up of course.
      3. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 10: 53 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka


        Greens and society are two opposites. Greenpeace is a non-profit organization, but whose interests does it protect, and who are the main sponsors of this office? Are there really naive simpletons who believe "that this organization and society are one and do a good deed. All these toys, these are weapons in the hands of the World International.
  • Pessimist22 15 February 2020 08: 53 New
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    Germany is the locomotive of the European economy and will be like that for a long time.
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 10: 06 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Germany is the locomotive of the European economy and will be like that for a long time.

      Well, partners as much as possible "sand in the axle boxes" and pour ... Well, the drivers gently hold the neck.
    2. vetlan19 15 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      Not for long.
      https://cont.ws/@sahalara/1356010
      https://cont.ws/@sahalara/1502227
  • K-50 15 February 2020 08: 54 New
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    Quote: Barmaleyka
    forward to the torch, caves and skins

    Skins down, their animals wear, if only with those who died a natural death.
    They will have to weave “mats” from dry grass, reeds with interweaving of leaves and wear them. lol
  • Divizion 15 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    forward to the torch, caves and skins

    But for firewood, you still have to turn to Russia for gas too .. crying
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 23 New
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      Well, just at the expense of gas, our overseas partners have strengthened the alternative and are pushing ..
      1. BARKAS 15 February 2020 09: 39 New
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        Maybe they just make room for hopes for progress in fusion.
        1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 43 New
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          Yes, it doesn’t look like it - it’s stupidly "put on a gas needle" ..
          1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 09: 47 New
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            Ecological extremism will bring Europe to the point that it will become poor and naked and will go to Africa. wassat
            1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 50 New
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              Or again some kind of "axis" will stir up ...
              1. Gene84 15 February 2020 13: 32 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                Or again some kind of "axis" will stir up

                So it’s, they’re sort of stirring something up there ... they don’t seem to like NATO anymore ...
                Quote: bessmertniy
                Ecological extremism will bring Europe to the point that it will become poor and naked and will go to Africa

                So to speak to the origins of human life on earth. wassat
                1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 13: 36 New
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                  So it’s, they’re sort of stirring something up there ... they don’t seem to like NATO anymore ...

                  Well, that means they will eventually muddle up - the economy is primary, and "war is a continuation of politics" ...
      2. Snail N9 15 February 2020 09: 48 New
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        Beggar ... well, well ... wink
    2. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 10: 55 New
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      Quote: Divizion
      But for firewood, you still have to turn to Russia for gas too ..

      They will drown dumpling, Russia will give it to the larvae of the tree.
    3. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: Divizion
      But for firewood, you still have to turn to Russia for gas too

      Well, they’ll put firewood and they will buy cheap things from skakuas crying
      1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Well, they’ll put firewood and they will buy cheap things from skakuas

        And there, that has not yet been cut?
    4. Maki Avellevich 15 February 2020 11: 20 New
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      But for firewood, you still have to turn to Russia for gas too ..

      2027 year
      Teutonic firewood purchasers cross the Russian border.
  • Lamata 15 February 2020 08: 09 New
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    the last-born Thunberg to settle in the former Soviet military town and do not get any heat, power and other communal goodies, yourself, get everything with your rooks. Diluted another evil.
    1. rocket757 15 February 2020 08: 21 New
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      At where were these Soviet military camps?
      Summer camps?
      1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 08: 33 New
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        Well, the GSVG did not seem to live in tents ...
        1. rocket757 15 February 2020 08: 42 New
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          Everything was thorough there, in accordance with needs and climate. It’s not a paradise, of course, but it’s a military service, there must ALWAYS be an element of difficulties there, so as not to relax!
          By the way, it’s good for your health to wash yourself with cold water, for example ... I remember, I remember.
          1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 08: 44 New
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            That was exactly .. And how many years have passed since then?
            1. rocket757 15 February 2020 09: 03 New
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              There was a plot that part of the military camps was destroyed by all I can’t, but it’s not Soviet for a long time, but already their foreign one.
              The reason for the devastation there, we must look for them, the former belonging can no longer be mentioned. This is all theirs.
              Those who are not in the know are not used to diving so deeply, associations that are not correct arise, i.e. if Soviet, then it’s completely, completely, worse than theirs, foreign. It’s not worth it to play with meanings.
              1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 06 New
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                What are you talking about now? if the Soviet abandon it a hundred years, how new will it stand idle?
                And where were the summer camps in your version?
                1. rocket757 15 February 2020 09: 09 New
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                  "Summer", seasonal, camps in any army are, are called only differently. This is all an element of the training process in the training of troops.
                  1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 12 New
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                    "At where such Soviet military camps were?
                    Summer camps, or what? "- what did you mean? Or doesn’t they apply to summer camps? You specify the criteria ..
                    And yes, the "Soviet" no longer where 30 years like ...
              2. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 15: 28 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                The reason for the devastation there, we must look for them, the former belonging can no longer be mentioned. This is all theirs.

                The land is then their road, bought, demolished, built hypermarkets. An example of a shipyard in Stralsund.
      2. K-50 15 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        At where were these Soviet military camps?

        Apparently, he means those who remained in the West after the departure of Soviet troops.
        1. rocket757 15 February 2020 09: 05 New
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          Whatever was meant, it is necessary to specify precisely that the devastation there is already their work / care. This is not correct to associate with the Soviet one.
          1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 26 New
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            “the last-born Tunberg to settle in the former Soviet military town” - what does the word “former” not get old?
            Quote: rocket757
            Whatever was meant, it is necessary to specify precisely that the devastation there is already their work / care. This is not correct to associate with the Soviet one.
            1. rocket757 15 February 2020 18: 56 New
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              I noticed, do not hesitate, so I just propose not to connect it with the definition of "SOVIET", it is THEM and for a long time, the devastation there is also there, it has nothing to do with the USSR.
              My opinion, I don’t swear, I don’t put labels, different, unpleasant associations and all.
              It’s easier for me, I’ve been to such cities, everything was done decently there ... I REMEMBER.
              1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 18: 59 New
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                It’s just not clear how the former Soviet military camps can still be classified ... So I am confused ...
                1. rocket757 15 February 2020 19: 15 New
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                  On whose territory are located, then THEM.
                  If it is with us, it’s not a question, Russia is the successor of the USSR and everyone knows who built what and what, and who destroyed it now.
                  In principle, everyone decides for himself.
                  1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 19: 19 New
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                    E.E.E. "The former Soviet military camps of the SGWG in the GDR after the reunification of Germany became the property of the FRG
      3. depressant 15 February 2020 09: 08 New
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        Colleague Rocketeer, active and abandoned military camps - two big differences. In an abandoned communications they don’t work, they are often scrapped, so Lamata is right. Here are some people laughing at me that I'm rummaging around Zen, and there the photo and videos are laid out by stalkers. How many abandoned military camps! And even sanatoriums and rest houses come across - of a bygone country. Yesterday the plant showed. Whole! Even the machines are standing! Everything is in place, but abandoned. The workshops are frightening desolation. Another reality. Surrealism...
        1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 11: 13 New
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          Yesterday the plant showed. Whole! Even the machines are standing! Everything is in place, but abandoned.

          And I will show you a photo for those who have not seen.
          This is our famous Izhevsk arms factory, our pride and greatness of the Land of Soviets.
          And this plant under the capitalists. Feel the difference. And finally, for lovers of fast driving, look at how the Planet IZ famous from childhood was designed in the Design Bureau of Ievsk Plant
        2. rocket757 15 February 2020 19: 07 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Colleague Rocketeer, active and abandoned military camps - two big differences

          I do not like the association "Soviet" in the context of devastation and something obscene / bad .... I can read and know the meaning of the words "Soviet and former", so I make no complaints, do not swear and do not minus. Just suggest writing as is.
          The devastation and other indecency in these towns / objects came when the Soviet there was nothing left! If a person wrote that these are German abandoned towns on their territory, this is true.
      4. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 10: 58 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        At where were these Soviet military camps?

        In Germany, the former GDR, but there are now refugees from Africa. Although it’s possible to add that those who are these are of no use to them.
        1. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 40 New
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          So this will be a holiday !!! if green to Africans, the same children of nature)))) laughing
      5. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 40 New
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        In Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the communes of the Balga, there were of course no chance, but right now they should be there, green. on everything without all kinds of harmful things, TPA mountains of water, electricity, sewage, and God forbid, no Internet.
    2. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 08: 40 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      to settle in the former Soviet military town

      nor is it too humane to lapland for a week
      1. Lamata 15 February 2020 13: 34 New
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        why do peaceful Laplanders need these freaks? and they will quarrel there, they say they exploit and eat the olechka.
        1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 13: 44 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          and they will quarrel there, they say they exploit and eat the olechka.

          in half an hour they won’t be there before
  • kind 15 February 2020 08: 11 New
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    Well then, only gas remains! Actually, Nord Stream-2 is just the point here.
    1. sergo1914 15 February 2020 08: 14 New
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      Quote: Good
      Well then, only gas remains! Actually, Nord Stream-2 is just the point here.


      Not only. More firewood.
      1. Prisoner 15 February 2020 08: 35 New
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        laughing "Where are the woods from?"
        1. sergo1914 15 February 2020 08: 57 New
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          Quote: Captive
          laughing "Where are the woods from?"


          From the forest, of course
      2. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 08: 47 New
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        Quote: sergo1914
        Not only. More firewood.

        There is another option lol
  • for
    for 15 February 2020 08: 14 New
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    Who is who, and the Germans will not remain poor.
    1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 11: 17 New
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      Quote: for
      Who is who, and the Germans will not remain poor.

      Twice in the 20th century, the "bottom of the plinth" was lowered, and climbed back to such heights, truly one can only envy, and most importantly, silently without slogans and socialist competition.
  • Amateur 15 February 2020 08: 15 New
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    Germany without nuclear power plants, coal and blocked gas projects can truly turn from an EU economic locomotive into an environmentally friendly and economically impoverished country with millions of migrants who are frankly unwilling to work for the good of the German economy.

    So for the sake of this - beggar Germany and came up with all these "green gret". Following will go France, Italy, Benelux, etc. Only the left-handed Poles, Bulgarians and triebalts will remain. As a result, the euro, which at one time really threatened the dollar, will become a candy wrapper. And Europe itself from the "Old World" will become the "New North Africa."
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      Quote: Amateur
      So for the sake of this - beggar Germany and came up with all these "green gret". Following will go France, Italy, Benelux, etc.

      I already wrote about the “Tunberg project,” for Europe he is “reporting with a noose around his neck”. For Germany, with its 11% AE, it is painful to lose, but for France, with its 76%, this is death. That's who needs Nord Stream-2 and Nord Stream-3 as air, and they must do everything to ensure that these projects are there, and not Russia. Russia should only silently watch and wait for them to bite.
      1. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 42 New
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        It is a pity that these last-born tunbergs simply cannot be flogged. For one beaten, two not beaten are given.
  • rocket757 15 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    No, so far, “clean” sufficiently effective technologies. Quickly, direct, direct, no reason they won’t create them.
    Conclusion, it will be expensive and many, many problems.
    And then, forward and with the song to .... in general, many understand what will happen.
    1. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 11: 42 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      No, so far, “clean” sufficiently effective technologies. Quickly, direct, direct, no reason they won’t create them.

      I remember at a school in the 50s, at history lessons, they told how in European cities people were suffocated by smog, how painful people who were blue from the polluted air lived in these cities. This is when only trams and cabs crawled through the cities, and the cities were lit not by electricity, but by flashlights, what can be said now, when there are millions of cars on the roads, a huge number of factories, about millions of tons of garbage. Technology, progress, this is good, but it does not add purity, but it reduces. This can’t go anywhere.
      1. rocket757 15 February 2020 19: 12 New
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        This can’t go anywhere

        We'll have to correct this state of things, otherwise we risk ... in short, we risk not surviving, not living up to the moment when we can resettle elsewhere.
        The planet will have to be saved.
  • Tank jacket 15 February 2020 08: 26 New
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    Islamic caliphate and nuclear power plants are incompatible.
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      Why ? nuclear plants are being built in Iran. in Bushehr.
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        Quote: Lamata
        Why ? nuclear plants are being built in Iran. in Bushehr.

        Well in Iran all the same Persians.
    2. tihonmarine 15 February 2020 15: 32 New
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      Quote: Tank jacket
      Islamic caliphate and nuclear power plants are incompatible.

      Hard to disagree.
  • Avior 15 February 2020 08: 31 New
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    Well, then Ukraine has been falling apart and freezing for years, now the problem has reached Germany.
    Contagious, however. smile
    But seriously, the problem of energy prices for Europe, in general, and especially for Germany, is greatly overstated.
    Germany has an economic structure such that the share of energy carriers in it is not very high.
    And therefore, the Germans rightly felt that it was easier to buy the missing electricity than to keep hazardous production at home, even if it would cost a little more.
    1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 08: 42 New
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      to put it mildly, the thesis is about both energy sources and hazardous production
      1. Avior 15 February 2020 10: 21 New
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        What is the "weed" smile ?
        Examples of cases when something happens to the atomic one are known. Yes, not so often, but it happens that you don’t have problems, you yourself know.
        If there is an opportunity to remove this risk, why not remove it? Namely, the Germans have it, but do not seriously consider the statement in the article that poverty awaits Germany if they remove the nuclear power plants from themselves, before that all sorts of potentially dangerous and harmful smelting of pig iron, chemical plants with dangerous and polluting industries and other .
        Partially fill the energy shortage with all sorts of new solar or wind and other power plants, partially just buy electricity from neighbors, partially reduce consumption due to energy-saving technologies, the level of which is related to the price - the price of electricity has increased, and the level of energy conservation has also increased.
        And at a price, the Germans can well afford even more expensive electricity, no poverty threatens them, more recently, gas was several times more expensive, and nothing happened.
        Yes, the French have all the energy built specifically at nuclear power plants, more than 70 percent of the electricity, but this is a unique case, this is not anywhere else, they obviously won’t close them in the near future, but the Germans’s nuclear production is not very large, they will be blocked by other types and external supplies, even if it will be more expensive.

        It is not necessary to exaggerate either the degree of influence of energy prices, or the share of nuclear energy in Germany, will survive without poverty.
        hi
        1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 11: 11 New
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          I won’t write about a typo, you understood what and it’s not clear why I got caught

          You wrote that the German economy "that the share of energy in it is not very high." and successfully refuted e
          then my chart
          the same thing about nuclear power plants and the terrible danger of this production
          1. Avior 15 February 2020 11: 20 New
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            the diagram is not about economics, but about the structure of power generation.
            In general, energy carriers in general and power generation in particular do not form the basis of the German economy, the basis of their economy is completely different - mechanical engineering and so on.
            And nuclear power plants in Germany do not occupy a large part in the generation structure, therefore it is for Germany that abandoning nuclear power plants is uncritical, unlike France, for example.
            I did not write about the terrible danger of nuclear power plants
            Examples of cases when something happens to the atomic one are known. Yes, not so often, but it happens that you don’t have problems, you yourself know.

            What exactly do you disagree with here?
            but about a typo, I brought it as a joke and I put a smiley, noticed? smile smile smile
            1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 12: 35 New
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              What exactly do you disagree with here?

              I answered you
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                what you wrote, you did not answer.
                but I didn’t write about a terrible danger.
                I specifically wrote and quoted again.
                What specifically do not agree with?
                1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 13: 47 New
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                  Quote: Avior
                  what you wrote, you did not answer.

                  read carefully
            2. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 12: 36 New
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              Quote: Avior
              In general, energy carriers in general and power generation in particular do not form the basis of the German economy

              give data how many watts the industry of Germany consumes after we talk
              1. Avior 15 February 2020 13: 01 New
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                What for? To take the conversation away?
                This is without me; in Germany we are not talking about refusing electricity in general, but about changing the generation structure.
                I showed the specific gravity of nuclear power generation, in figures it is about 11 percent. Replace without big problems.
                The Germans fundamentally decided to abandon nuclear energy in the early 2000s (“The Law on the Controlled Termination of the Use of Nuclear Energy for Industrial Electricity Production”, 2002), it was finally legislated in 2011. The Bundestag passed the law after the Fukushima story. They do not want to take risks, and they can afford it.
                hi
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                  Quote: Avior
                  What for? To take the conversation away?

                  famously jumped off topic
                  1. Avior 15 February 2020 17: 08 New
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                    But in my opinion, on the contrary, you tried to change the topic, requiring data that is not related to the topic of discussion.
                    However, if you justify what is the point of this figure in the context of the discussion, I will give it, this is not a problem
                    hi
                    1. Barmaleyka 15 February 2020 17: 27 New
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                      Quote: Avior
                      requiring data not related to the topic of discussion.

                      Quote: Avior
                      Germany has an economic structure such that the share of energy carriers in it is not very high.

                      and where not related to the topic? !!!!
    2. The leader of the Redskins 15 February 2020 08: 47 New
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      We should be miserable, as in Germany, so the Sultan of Brunei would nervously smoke aside, embarrassed to approach our oligarchs!
      Oh, this author! Here, as in the movie: "... You would not have to paint, but to write fairy tales ..."
  • K-50 15 February 2020 08: 52 New
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    "Green" soon everyone who wants to hear and listen to them, will be brought to living in huts, composed of branches, broken by the wind, because they themselves break no-no.
    In general, in order to curb these, you need to introduce a personal tax, like, you vote for "ecology" here you have an additional tax, for stopping the operation of nuclear power plants, coal, to limit them in the consumption of electricity, because all this is "excesses" from their point of view.
    Let's see how many environmentalists will remain then, in a year or two. lol
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      They are wrestlers in public, and they enjoy all the benefits of a simple life and smoke the sky. negative
  • Ros 56 15 February 2020 08: 57 New
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    Well, you respected indignant, master master. After all, any decisions, and even more so of an economic and environmental nature, come from an understanding of the need or, conversely, rejection of certain types of activities. This is their choice, and we just need to evaluate the situation and try to use it in our interests.
  • Stalllker 15 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    My personal opinion is that all these "grief of ecology" are schizos. And Greta there too
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 27 New
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      It's just that they use these "schizos" in the dark ..
      1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 09: 53 New
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        If only blindly! They are paid good money for their “integrity”. This is their business. what
      2. Stalllker 15 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        What a healthy competition
        1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 12: 19 New
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          Normal capitalist competition, t.s. - capsule competition ..
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    And they are also going to change cars from ICE to electric cars ...
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 09: 45 New
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      Something recently, power engineers have begun to let them down ...
  • Aleks2000 15 February 2020 09: 56 New
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    ABOUT!!!!
    Already Germany, our media recorded in a beggar !!!
    And then what about Russia, after all, behind it after the election of Putin ....
    1. Nyrobsky 15 February 2020 10: 57 New
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      Quote: Alex2000
      ABOUT!!!!
      Already Germany, our media recorded in a beggar !!!
      And then what about Russia, after all, behind it after the election of Putin ....

      Yes, not recorded yet, calm down. But if Berlin will continue to follow in line with the policies pursued by the Americans, then the Germans may indeed face great economic problems. One game of sanctions against Russia, imposed by the United States, cost them direct losses of more than 100 billion euros and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
    2. 16329 15 February 2020 12: 06 New
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      If we compare Germany twenty years ago and modern, then the trend of degradation and a decline in living standards is obvious.
  • kriten 15 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    Correct solution. Only windmills should be left. The US dream of destroying industry in Germany will be fulfilled by the Germans themselves. Modern civilization with the monopolization of the media in the hands of corporations that are interested only in the interests of the corporations themselves, has taught people to think and only believe the nonsense imposed on them. Therefore, it is not surprising that the rate of transformation of environmentalists into eco-idiots, led by a crazy girl.
  • tihonmarine 15 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    Nowadays, the almost absolute triumph in Europe of the ideas of Greta Tunberg, the question of whether or not to be "terrible and dangerous" nuclear power plants, does not stand in principle.
    What Tunbergs do not pull out of your bosom, but without nuclear energy in the 21st century you can’t survive.
  • Whalebone 15 February 2020 10: 40 New
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    The leading German auto concern in the next 3 years will launch a dozen mass models exclusively on electric traction, the first one already on sale. Bulk - means a price comparable to models with internal combustion engines. Analogs of Golf and Tiguan from PV, Audi, Skoda, Seat. It is unlikely that the Germans poorly calculated their generation and transportation if they spend billions on electric cars. Not very like poverty. The author has exaggerated. Not the first time.
    1. 16329 15 February 2020 12: 12 New
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      Yes, you wait, it's not so simple, you need to build a battery plant, for this purpose sell non-core assets, then rebuild production, lay off a lot of people, move production to China, or somewhere else to sell these electric trolleys without batteries, you need to change batteries will be
      While electric cars are leased, only Japanese and Korean hybrids are bought
      These are the questions, and you are three years old
      1. Brturin 15 February 2020 14: 37 New
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        Quote: 16329
        lay off a lot of people, transfer production to China, or somewhere else

        Only here is the electric power industry of China - nuclear power plants, thermal power plants (it is planned that the PRC will commission 121 coal-fired power plants). They write that Japan is 22 new coal-fired power plants. They will refuse at home, but the earth is round ....
    2. Amateur 15 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      The leading German auto concern in the next 3 years will launch a dozen mass models exclusively on electric traction, the first one already on sale. Bulk - means price,

      And where will they get electricity from? Or did the “Strugatsky” invented “eternal batteries” from “Picnic”?
      1. Avior 15 February 2020 17: 11 New
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        At night, there is a large excess of generating capacities in all power grids. So big that many double the price.
        It's time to charge the batteries.
      2. 16329 16 February 2020 02: 16 New
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        In Germany, despite the “green policy”, new coal-fired power plants continue to be commissioned; not so long ago, at a power plant near Cologne, MHPS (Mitsubishi Hitachi) completed commissioning of the boiler equipment of the new unit
      3. 16329 16 February 2020 02: 18 New
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        The problem is not only charging, the problem is replacing and disposing of batteries
  • Nyrobsky 15 February 2020 10: 52 New
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    If initially in Berlin they expected to manage the sum of 22 billion euros for covering and demolishing nuclear power plants and a little less, 17 billion, for solving the problem of radioactive waste, then recent studies by economists in this field indicate that the total "estimate" on this issue will inevitably grow up to 50-70 billion euros. And this is at least. For the German economy, which is already far from in good shape, this could be a crushing blow.
    Well, and Denis Trumpov with Angelka Merkelova requires 2% of GDP to be unfastened for the needs of NATO, which corresponds to the same 50-70 billion euros. And in the future, increase spending "on protection under the American roof" to 4%. Here, either dispose of the NPP, or contain NATu. If you do both at the same time, then very soon the Germans will have to dry crackers. The competitors' mattresses are strangling.
  • nikvic46 15 February 2020 11: 01 New
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    There is nothing to say. Germany’s plan to destroy nuclear power plants is very stupid. And not because nuclear power plants are at the top of progress. Everywhere you need to be careful. China has dismantled several nuclear power plants. Alternative energy will make its way. Our scientists have contributed to the energy storage. American scientists have grasped the idea of ​​energy storage using conventional mechanics. Alternative energy is good so far where its low consumption.
    1. 16329 16 February 2020 02: 21 New
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      Germany is simply not supposed to deal with nuclear problems in the modern world, if anything can happen
  • vetlan19 15 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    A very simple and convincing explanation of why Germany is without a nuclear power plant
    https://cont.ws/@sahalara/1356010
    https://cont.ws/@sahalara/1502227
  • Nepoymikto. 15 February 2020 11: 52 New
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    Shot yourself not in the foot like the Ukrainians and immediately in the head. Moreover, according to the precepts of Greta, they will already shoot a campaign from a bow ...
  • Host Tavern 15 February 2020 11: 56 New
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    Offer to walk in bast shoes, move on all fours and eat grass ?!
  • cniza 15 February 2020 12: 21 New
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    Germany without nuclear power plants, coal and blocked gas projects could really turn


    I would add - without an army and occupied ...
    1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 19: 02 New
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      Since they were occupied in 1945, they stayed ... It’s Gorbachev’s darling that he deigned to make a “beautiful” gesture - honestly, huh ...
  • Livonetc 15 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Germany will not become a beggar.
    But for Russia, such a trend in this country is obviously positive.
  • Doctor 15 February 2020 12: 45 New
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    Do not be saved by them. Near Atomic France.
  • Artunis 15 February 2020 14: 36 New
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    The ears of the always young Soros stick out over the Germans huge mugs, well, figs with them!
  • NF68 15 February 2020 15: 34 New
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    All countries in the world would be so clean and especially "poor." In 2019, in Germany, the share of electricity received from renewable sources was 46%. For comparison, coal, fuel oil and gas power plants generated 40% of the electricity.
  • honest people 15 February 2020 19: 13 New
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    Oh shaw, I see the idiots unanimously worried about Germany brought new training manuals?
  • honest people 15 February 2020 19: 54 New
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    Quote: BrTurin
    Quote: 16329
    lay off a lot of people, transfer production to China, or somewhere else

    Only here is the electric power industry of China - nuclear power plants, thermal power plants (it is planned that the PRC will commission 121 coal-fired power plants). They write that Japan is 22 new coal-fired power plants. They will refuse at home, but the earth is round ....

    By the end of 2018, the installed capacity of renewable energy units including hydroelectric power plants amounted to 730 million kW, or 38,3% of the total capacity.
    Excluding hydropower plants, renewable energy in China is only 380 million kWh, including the capacity of wind power plants (wind farms) is 180 million kW (an increase of 12,4% YoY), solar power stations - 170 million kW (an increase of 34% YoY), biofuels - 17,81 million kW (an increase of 20,7% YoY).

    In 2018, the volume of renewable energy generation in China amounted to 1,9 trillion kWh or 26,7% of the total (including hydroelectric power stations).

    Based on hydroelectric power station accounting, renewable energy generation in China amounted to 634 billion kWh, or 8,9% of the total generation, which amounted to about 7116,2 billion billion kWh, including wind power generation - 366 billion kWh, energy generation SES - 177,5 billion kWh, electricity from biofuel - 90,6 billion kWh.
    It is anticipated that renewable energy energy suppliers will begin to compete with coal-fired power plants and achieve energy system price parity.
    At the same time, a subsidy for 2020 will be allocated to wind farms - in the amount of 2,97 billion yuan, to biofuel producers - 73,39 million yuan and to operators of energy distribution networks of SES and projects on the use of energy of SES to reduce poverty in 11 regions of China - 2,63 billion yuan.
    The National Environmental Protection Agency of China revealed that for 9 months of 2019, the capacity of the solar power plants was 16 GW.

    SES construction volumes in 2019 amounted to 25 GW
  • NordUral 15 February 2020 23: 27 New
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    Is there firewood? There is nothing to hope for an alternative on an industrial scale.
  • Dur_mod 16 February 2020 11: 17 New
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    A lot in Germany are windmills and fields with solar panels. I think the Germans are not stupid, the replacement of nuclear power plants has long been thought out.
  • Kostadinov 17 February 2020 13: 09 New
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    Germany without nuclear power: dirty and impoverished.